🦇┊darknests

[somber quiver]

Hello guys.. I'm not sure if it's already discussed here since there's too much discussions already..
How can i determine the phalanx use by a dn? Specially those anti scout..
TIA

[lethal wren]

Attack it. Pick your strongest stat and send that. If you fail, you get the report with the formation and then you run again. There's no other way.

[iron jasper]

Anyone have some promo code please?

[rustic moat]

LM2022

[dense kite]

⚽️

Too old

[burnt stump]

kungfupanda

[rustic moat]

Great franchise

[burnt stump]

also code lol

[little egret]

Noodle or 💪

[jade thicket]

u guys didn't even fil sadge

[rose yarrow]

[jade thicket]

Oh this a dn

[stark osprey]

New how to level up

[lethal wren]

Play more

[formal forum]

[glacial jewel]

Behebt mal bitte den Fehler, das die Gilde mehr als 30 Mirglieder haben muss! WIR haben 94! Updates von heute sind buggi

[green palm]

english or nothing

[long kayak]

#📣┊game-announcements-n-events

[solar pulsar]

Question: does the loot of dark essence depend also on transmutation time or only on level? I.e. will L5 8h DE give better/more loot than L5 3h DE?

[gusty pike]

I think it's based on ess "colour"

[solar pulsar]

Ok so 3h is basically better than 8h one since i get the same loot faster?

Though your pics don't say anything about amount rewarded

[long kayak]

You get one of the items listed in the list

[lethal wren]

Honestly, higher level does have higher drop rates, not only colour.
You get on average better stuff out of an ess24 than ess18 even if they're the same colour.

[solar pulsar]

that's simply not true, you always get multiple of the items

[long kayak]

Uhm not really, you either get research speed, construction speed, familiar exp one at a time (quantity of the one type of item can be multiple) but type of item remains 1

It's not like you'll get speed up as well as fam exp from 1 ess

[solar pulsar]

yeah that's what i meant.. sorry i didn't express myself correctly.. you always get larger quantity of one item...

[long kayak]

No worries I shouldve clarified it too earlier, I can see why you'd think that's what I meant

[grave isle]

What troops should I send to win

[gusty pike]

full cavs would be the right call here

[lethal wren]

Here's how you can work that out for yourself, with a simple logic that works every time:
If you send inf, the cav might destroy you.
If you send range, the inf might destroy you.
If you send cav... There's no range in there to counter you.
So send cav, you only lose if you're too weak.
For best results add a few buffers in and set a formation that puts your main army at the back of the march.

You can extrapolate that for any nest

[grave isle]

Thanks

[ashen vessel]

What if it had anti scout? Will we know the formation by it's hero avatar?

[rustic moat]

Google search 'darknest heroes'. most of the time, that's the main troop type. Not always, though.

[lethal wren]

Nope. It's totally random.

[lethal wren]

The only way to know is to test it by guessing and see. The hero is random and has no correlation on formation. The only thing it indicates is which troop type might have a boost.

[rustic moat]

Oh, formation. Yeah. That's random.

[livid canyon]

The fams sometimes give a hint also. But not always lol

[copper plaza]

Anyone know min atk % for pure T4 darknest (with familiars) ....attacking (frontline)same troop type for win

[lethal wren]

Why would you send the same troop type as the frontline?

I'm not sure about a minimum, but less than 200% for sure

[copper plaza]

I keep losing against darknest two troop type ex. Inf range ....sending inf troops with 500+% atk..200+ army atk ...2.3 mil troops and lose against 1.4 mil frontline

[ashen vessel]

200percent and above recommended for dn4, but highly depends on research

[ashen vessel]

Then you need to send the opposite troop type, for instance the dn had cavalry and inf, you need to send range+cav to counter, but with right lineup and research and amount of troops you have

[copper plaza]

Will try ...ty

[lethal wren]

Really nope.

Bad advice.

Don't send a mixed or split lineup.
The reason: you just need to defeat the frontline in most cases. So you just send the type that will counter the front.
Sending a blast means you use gear and fams and heroes for that blast type = much much stronger than if you split and send 2 types.
What's more, itdoesn't actually work that you send your inf range cav at the enemy and each of your different squads just goes and attacks the type it will counter. What happens is your mixed troops will go in the formation you set and hit whatever the frontline is in the dn, so most of your troops will be useless.

Moral: just send a blast.
If you can't kill it with a counter, you aren't strong enough, move on.

[ashen vessel]

Yeah, we all can learn from tries, thanks man

[exotic python]

Watch fams and lead of next, and traps . Often time , not always but often if you match the fams with lead - leaning cav for example , try cav.

[fading ruin]

formation is random but the main troop type correlates with darknest heros.

[trim forge]

I would agree at least for dn6. I usually just look for certain heroes instead of trying to scout every darknest.

[fading ruin]

oh it could be different for dn5 and lower I guess, but for dn6 where there's a main troop type, the hero is almost always that troop type

[rustic moat]

https://lordsmobile.fandom.com/wiki/Darknest

[ashen vessel]

Thanks

[gray gorge]

Hey mates
why is it that when I set a rally on darknest the number of troops I can take as ally to fight isn't more than 300k please what do I need to upgrade

Anyone

[livid canyon]

Upgrade your battle hall

[gray gorge]

Thanks Asa

[fluid trout]

@rustic moat what's this bro (sorry for ping)

[open stump]

It's a chart that tell you the type of the possible leaders of the dark nests. What impact does this have on the nest though ? no clue

[rustic moat]

Pretty handy if it has anti scout

[ashen vessel]

Yes its useful for anti spy

[lethal wren]

It's pointless. It's not guaranteed.

The main troop type isn't necessarily the front line.
And as everyone freely admits, the hero isn't even always correlated to the main troop type

This nonsense is always loudly and insistently pushed by people who have smaller accounts and didn't play very long.
Talk to people with maxed accounts who were playing since years and they all agree that it's total nonsense. Ask IGG and they will tell you the heroes and troops are randomised.
Stop perpetuating this madness

Last time we had a new member in our Guild who started on this nonsense, she ran a DN6 to prove it would be range because of the hero... Ran inf, didn't even get a Walkback. Nest turned out to have mostly inf-cav inside, almost no range at all and a cav front.

The new member got so mad at being wrong she left the guild in a rage 😂😅😂😅😂

[maiden mantle]

Hahahah yes that's true
Its happen to me also
Hero was cav , heavy side of cav troops also 700k in + 700k range + 1.9m cav , trap point towards inf so i went in range LoL results loss it was inf front and i am not a big hitter 400% only with max stack rang fam only as familiar

[lethal wren]

There's a really good trick for guessing coin flips too.
If the person tossing the coin has a head, that means it will come up heads. This works most of the time. At least half. About half. But it is guaranteed gonna work!!

[rustic moat]

Must mean the other half of the time, they have a tail.

[wide jungle]

What troops i use?

Guide me pls

[ashen vessel]

@lethal wren

Tell the guy, I'm noob.

[lethal wren]

Blocked

Send range

Range blast, with range heroes and fams, and a small amount of buffers (like 12-100 of inf and cav) in cav wedge (or inf Phal if you don't have wedges unlocked) because this puts your buffers at the front and main troops at the back.
Wear range gear

[silent hearth]

Need help for this ty

[livid canyon]

That's a no brainier. Send inf

[ashen vessel]

Does darknest wins depend on amount of troops or research? Coz we did 300k vs 900k and we won so...

[valid knoll]

both

[mellow hull]

Don't forget gear

[ashen vessel]

Ok

And talents

[mellow hull]

Well like no shit. That's if you're weak

[livid canyon]

Imagine not being able to solo a dn5

[mellow hull]

Couldn't be me

[cinder kindle]

Don't forget to rejewel as well

[misty marsh]

Is this good?

[ashen vessel]

Yea, it's good, but you could do better with cavalry since it had nearly 1m inf

[iron jasper]

You should not accept t1 and t2 , pure losses : )

[valid knoll]

T3 is even more useless than T2. T2 is best to have millions of

[open stump]

But that's the dark nest discussion. If t3 are involved it's not for defense, it's for offense. T3 should be better than t2 in that context

The only reason t2 are better than t3 in defense is because of the price/training time ratio anyway. It's not about the stats is it ? It's just that you can build enough t2 to beat a t3 quicker than to build said t3. But in a dark nest, you never want to fill your rally with t2, that would lack power (except if you have good stats that is. In that case it would be fine enough)

[valid knoll]

oh wait, my bad. just woke up

[lethal wren]

To put the whole "leader tells you what the darkest has" in the rubbish forever...

Here's yet another example that it is totally random.
Hero is INF.
Main troop type is CAV (sorta, I'd call this a mix)
But it's got a RANGE front.

It is random. There is no trick to work it out. Even IGG says this.
Stop the madness with 'you can tell what is inside by looking at the hero' because it's simply not true.

[ashen vessel]

Isn't the best way to test front lines is to make fake rally but with survivors, then make real one to counter it, it worked for me most times

[maiden mantle]

But if your guild is strong enough just go for your best possible and hope its don't counter you in the 1st try :) if failed then you will figure out what to do and what not to do

[livid canyon]

Both methods take the same amount of time. However if you set a real rally first instead of a fake one, then there's a possibility you win on first try.
So no point setting a fake rally to get front

[ashen vessel]

Ok uwu

[open stump]

I don't know how expensive it is to heal t5 as I only have t4. But maybe there would be merit to it to limit the amount of injured expensive troupes ? although if people have t5 they are most likely loaded so It might not matter at all

[vast zinc]

Most t5swho aren't crazy loaded buffer with a little t4s so they don't have to heal them t5s.

[lethal wren]

I always send 2k T2 to every darknest, and most people in my guild do. Literally no point paying for troop healing just for ess. Save it for healing real rallies, it might be only 2k troops at a time, but it adds up a lot, and 1% T2 in a nest won't appreciably affect the battle outcome. If you're so noodle 1% troops makes a difference, the rng can still defeat you and you should just give up anyway

[livid canyon]

Only way you'll take T5 casualties in a dn is if you send full T5

[uncut lark]

T5 healing is expensive

I mean, very expensive

[open gull]

You would send inf here right?

[iron jasper]

mhm

[uncut basin]

6

[bleak tapir]

what is the minimum troop type ATK % army ATK and HP to kill an average Dn6 ? We usually have about 50% T5s in our rally ?

299m not sure if +300m exist

[livid canyon]

I've seen 300m+

[mellow hull]

About 500%

[lethal wren]

They asked for minimum able. 350% can get away with an easy DN6 if they get the counter

I've been consistently killing DN6 since 400% and occasionally killing them since 350. Once I hit one in eco talents and speed gear by mistake - 212% killed it.

[mellow hull]

I was giving them worst case scenario but okay lol, I've never seen a 400% lead attempt a dn6 before.

[lethal wren]

I'm not a lead. But I can kill darknests

People just don't even try at 400% because everyone says you can't. But they're wrong

Also familiars make a big difference.
The biggest factor is scouting up the easy nests and the dumb luck of getting an easy counter

Here's one below 400%

[mellow hull]

That explains why I can do ess18 at 200mil might. Guess I've been off Lords Mobile for too long

[lethal wren]

My Little f2p alt killed 19+ with 165m
Darknests really aren't that hard

And might isn't a good indicator of strength anyway

[weak dagger]

.

[maiden mantle]

400% can get DN 6 with good familiar and Easy Comp DN with full rally

[ashen vessel]

Whats average boost of all attack/defense to beat down dn3?

[maiden mantle]

DN3 is super easy
I do beat all of them with 180%

[lethal wren]

Just solo dn3 with t1

[ashen vessel]

My status are quite trash, need more research

[misty marsh]

5bi guild, don't have too much t4

[forest river]

You guys think 350 % stats can win on DN 6 ? Counter research done !

[mental copper]

I won first time with 378 cav
Now cav is 425

[mellow hull]

Don't ping for a topic that's been dealt with. As I said before, I was telling them worst case scenario

[forest river]

Niceee same bro

[mental copper]

2 3 months ago, now better gears

[lethal wren]

I know for a fact it can be. Requires a lot of scouting to find the easy nests and patience to get the good frontline, but it can be done

[mental copper]

Lol find 2 type dn

[fast wedge]

350 hmmm i won a dn6 in speed gear once was a range blast (dn was in cav phal) range attack was like 260 with talents same happened to my guildmate too

[ashen vessel]

Wow

[maiden mantle]

Yes it happened :)

[slate forge]

I dont know I m unable to do it? Is it cause i dont have counter research?

[lavish brook]

Need help with dn 6 , bombing it are wedges better or phalannx and how do you guess which phalanx the nest is on ?

[maiden mantle]

Its always not on point but by looking an leader , traps & fams

[lethal wren]

Yeah get counters. And keep trying

[lethal wren]

Attack with wedges that put your main army at the back.
You can't know which formation the nest is on, you have to guess. There's no way to know until you hit it.

[ashen vessel]

If im not wrong, all nests with counter spy I beaten were in ranged phalanx

[lavish brook]

Can you win a nest without counter research and less than 300k t5 if u have 500 percent atk on each troop types

[valid knoll]

depends on the nest. what level is it

level 4 is a win, level 5 probably too

[lavish brook]

I meant lvl 6 ones , I win almost any lvl 5 easily but can't clear the lvl 6

[lethal wren]

Yeah you probably can but it might take a while to find one with the easy counter

[odd adder]

i win lv 6 nest with 400% atk easily.. dn26.. not dn 27

[crisp rune]

How do u set up meatshield for a darknest?? Let's say 300k troops How many is meat? And how many are attackers? Wat tier is gd for meat and do I need a full hall to win. Wat is the min atk % needed? I hv beaten a dn5 before but we had 4 members with t5 and got a full hall. But they hv all moved on. Is testing the best way to find out??

[remote cargo]

I’ve won dn5 with like 280% and a decently leveled stack fam (think lvl 7 or 8). I just use 4 of each troop type for buffer… but if wall is giving you grief add some siege and bigger buffers so you aren’t losing morale to wall. Min atk% varies, min atk % needed to win a dn? Consistently win? If you counter the atk % needed drops a lot, even more so if it’s 1/2 type and has bad heroes/fams for troops.

[lavish sonnet]

Is something wrong with nests today?

[ashen vessel]

Yes, dn6 finally showed in my kingdom, I'm kinda shocked xd

[deft glen]

With 400% troops attack, 300% army hp, full counter attack research and 4 f2p fams at lvl 6-8

[bleak tapir]

Thanks for the reply

[deft glen]

[crisp rune]

Thanks Berry. Appreciate that

[arctic olive]

👍

[hardy basin]

What are the stats of Darknests

[valid knoll]

usualy too low to hold up against an attack, tho it depends on what the might is and the level. the higher the level, the higher the stats. i cant find specific stats on google tho

[long wadi]

No,just no

[ashen vessel]

Not fully accurate

[lethal wren]

Also pretty useless

[spring shore]

If you attacking someone with inf which formation do you use? Either dn or player

[elder crescent]

100% DN info for attacking a player

[lethal wren]

Range wedge for a DN attack with inf blast

[spring shore]

This means that dns front is this?

Or we need to hit with respective troops

[ashen vessel]

Means what type they lead, but for example the leader is frostwing, it doesn't mean all the army are cavalry

[pale forge]

inf phal.
350k inf
1.03mil range
900k cav

what's best for this darknest formation ?

[iron jasper]

range

[pale forge]

blast ?

[lethal wren]

No. It doesn't mean either of those things.
All is means is those heroes lead that type of troops. The graphic is misleading and offers very little helpful insight.
You can't tell what formation a DN will be until you hit it

[deft glen]

Range blast with 4 fams in range wedge formation along with a few buffers

If your stats and fams are decent then you can win even though you get countered by inf front
Check below ss
It was range blast but inf front and I got countered, yet managed to win in ranged wedge formation

[pale forge]

ok, thank you for the advice. Although, my stats are not that good yet. That's why I'm trying to avoid getting countered.

[noble mauve]

I just go cav until it fails 🤷‍♂️ as long as I’m full it never does, lol

[iron jasper]

Hi

[maiden mantle]

What cav heros team to go for Cav blast with buffer in DN 5 ?
Should i use 2 army atk heros or use only 1
F2P heros only all Gold

[valid knoll]

[lethal wren]

Pick your 5 best cav heroes and one army hero (Rose or watcher are good choices).

[static plaza]

Rose knight
Death knight
Child of light
Night raven
Last one will be Army atk hero/F2P use sage of storms
If you only have F2P heroes use your leader which should be army atk anyways…rose knight, bombin goblin

[maiden mantle]

Why we don't use 2 army Atk heros ?
Does it not helping?

[static plaza]

Then for buffers you want
25 gladiators
25 sharpshooters
50k reptilian riders

For your front line use the rest t4/t5

[maiden mantle]

And what about range & inf heros
Same only 1 army atk hero?

[static plaza]

What army atk heroes you got?
Technically you are using 2 army atk hero’s rose and your leader if you have a p2p hero

[maiden mantle]

Goblin & rose

[maiden mantle]

Watcher is blue only

[static plaza]

Ok so yours would be bomb, rose, nightraven, child of light and death knight

[maiden mantle]

I saw people use only 1 army atk hero rose
They don't use bomb any reason?

[maiden mantle]

Or they are just in wrong way

[maiden mantle]

Same setup but blue & purple and 1 gold drum

[lethal wren]

It's not need

You want to focus on cav heroes since you're doing a cav blast. And the one army hero as leader

[static plaza]

For cav attacks you want cav stats
They give you cav attack and cav hp

Where as army attack won’t give you as much cav attack and hp

[lethal wren]

Not a lot of point putting other type heroes in just for the couple dozen buffers

You want to boost the troops you're using. It's that simple

[maiden mantle]

@static plaza which one is good for me

[static plaza]

This

[valid knoll]

it selects both images

[maiden mantle]

The one with bobm

[static plaza]

The one with Death knight
The heroes give cavalry attack and cav hp

[maiden mantle]

My internet is crashed i was sending this files from last 6 mint :(

[static plaza]

Which is what’s needed

[static plaza]

Queen what kingdom you from?

[maiden mantle]

Both has , only difference is sage of storm / bobin goblin

[iron jasper]

1062

[static plaza]

Use the The 2nd pic Patel

I knew I recognised your account queen

I have a account in that kingdom

[iron jasper]

[static plaza]

I think you failed an attack the other day lol

[iron jasper]

What's your name?

[pseudo oyster]

👍

[ashen vessel]

Does Army Defense only effect when being attacked or also works in attacks? Same with Army Atk?

[valid knoll]

both ways, tho in attack formation it looks to be useless due to the amount of defensive troops people usualy have

[deft glen]

Army attack > Army Hp > Army defense

[ashen vessel]

Okok

[raw root]

hu

[iron jasper]

Ho

[languid bluff]

Hi

[mellow hull]

Why not maximize your damage? Send 225k t5, then the rest will be your t4. This will mean that even if you get capped all your t5 ends up in the infirms.

Nvm, I just realized your cav is higher than the rest

[iron jasper]

Hi

[livid canyon]

#💬┊general is great for conversations.

[iron jasper]

👍

[static plaza]

No problemo

[static plaza]

Take army defence and kick it out the window mate

Defence means nothing in lords, you don’t need it and you don’t want it, only focus on army atk, army hp, cav atk, cav hp, inf atk, inf hp, range atk, range hp
Defence doesn’t help you defend better
It helps them burn you easier

[ashen vessel]

For wonder/DA outpost things it may work well?

[static plaza]

Your best defence is a great offence

[ashen vessel]

ok got it

Thanks m8

[mellow hull]

That's why these morons keep asking about defence, it's not useless. Get that through your thick skulls. It plays a part but when compared to the rest it's insignificant. So that's why you focus on army atk, not because Def is useless, but because atk is better

[mystic turret]

Does Sabotage, Plague and Demoralize research help against DNs?

[ashen vessel]

After changing my talents and just realized how shit army defense is, now I added it's points to inf+range ATK

[mellow hull]

Bruh your talents sound like shit

Send a screen shot

[ashen vessel]

Note :im 33m might so yeah

[simple tinsel]

@ashen vessel with talents it can be hard to know what to best invest them in

Your talents are designed to maximize attack for all 3 types right?

I agree you don’t need any in defense, but investing all talents in squad health II is better than investing them in inf/range/cav attack I

(But I still agree that defense does play a part in lords Mobile…no clue what other guy is saying about it makes you burn more easily if you have defense)

[mellow hull]

Lol I meant your talents, not stats. I wanna see where you put your points

[ashen vessel]

My squad health 2 is maxed as well as first

It meant to give inf and range most ATK, since my gear is cavalry so I don't need to invest in cavalry points

[mystic turret]

I disagree. At your size I would focus on a single troop type. Trying to build mixed when you don't really have anything doesn't make sense to me. You could be stronger with one type or weak with all.

You say you have cav gear but your boosts show infantry is stronger.

If you want to work on mixed I would be building army atk gear as it affects all troops.

[ashen vessel]

At now I'm training t2', later I will train more t3 till I get hundred thousands of each

[simple tinsel]

[ashen vessel]

Someone pinged

[simple tinsel]

Yes my bad lol

[ashen vessel]

Nah its OK

[simple tinsel]

There’s a lot to explain 🙃🙃🙃 I wish I had discord back when I was at your might

You are saying you want to build 100,000s of t3s? Or t2s?

[ashen vessel]

T3's

Each type except siege

Siege 100k enough in case you won't get zeroed at first attack by someone

[simple tinsel]

Even though t3s are stronger than t2, you’ll want to limit the amount you make since they carry a lot of might per soldier and they’re only slightly stronger than t2

Also, idk why this is, but t3 is supposed to make you burn faster if you carry them with you for defense. If wins were based on might loss I would understand that but they’re based on troop loss and t3 still slightly stronger than t2…

[ashen vessel]

Yes true, i will make sure to delete t3 after I unlock t4, I will keep only t3 range, thnx for info

[simple tinsel]

With exception of a few things, most army attack gear is champ based lol. In other words he’d be mostly naked for a longgg time if focused on army attack gear

His infantry gear is probably better than his cav because he mentioned he was investing in infantry and range talents since he's using cav gear (which also is sort of a red flag)

@ashen vessel so you are saying you are investing in inf/rng talents and using cav gear so that in the case someone attacks you, you'll feel more well-rounded in stats? If so, there's a lot to talk about...

[rustic flint]

Victory with a great damage

[mystic turret]

Army ATK
Armor of the Abyss
Legs of the Deceiver
Skullcrusher
Dark Aegis
Burning Scroll

The only piece missing from f2p is the helmet

Helmet for Army HP would be Bumblehelm

[ashen vessel]

Just using for dn rallies now, i may change it if I would like to

Before I change my talent, dn3 casualties were 200k more or less, now its 400k enemy soldiers killed after I changed my talents

[mystic turret]

When you atk a dn you want to run 70% main force and 30% off troop. Reason being if you use 5 heros of the same type only 4 get used. So if you are doing a cav atk send 4 cav heros with 70% cav. Ranged hero (bombin goblin, he ups your army atk) with 30% ranged. This way all 5 heros get used and ranged does additional damage from afar

@ashen vessel

[mystic turret]

Jewels for cav gear are Saber, Gargantua & Cav ATK

[rustic flint]

Telling to me?

[ashen vessel]

Yes I know that thanks for info

[gusty pike]

Do not send 2 troop type marches...it's not effective

[mystic turret]

Just saying in general to anyone who wants to know.

[mystic turret]

Army ATK gear can be had without being Champion. Yes Champion is better BUT Champion is expensive, I am building Champion for Cav now. Best I have is 6 blue and 2 green

[ashen vessel]

Sheesh is expensive

[mystic turret]

@ashen vessel yes getting crimson manes is tough. They are what you need. Astralite for tempering is expensive and MH gear is. My MH gear is all mythic with some temper

[ashen vessel]

Shit I would make an f2p gear and upgrade it, can't get champion as f2p

[mystic turret]

You can get champion as f2p. Just takes a very long time. You can get chests from guild fest, champion materials from tycoon. Other areas too

I posted the f2p army atk gear

@ashen vessel

Back to my original question. Does sabotage, plague & demoralize research help with DN attacks?

[mellow hull]

Yes. Same with counters. Darknests are simply example targets

[mystic turret]

Thank you. I know what to research when I am waiting on archaic tomes. LOL

[ashen vessel]

Maybe my grand children will be able to see it as mythic

[rustic flint]

Ok sorry for a ping😐

[simple tinsel]

He was saying mainly to me since I said there’s only a few things out there that give army attack boosts that aren’t champ gear

The main problem is that 4 of those 5 things all require rare drops from same monster. The 5th one (armor of abyss) damage is not too effective even at mythic

[mystic turret]

It's not going to be as good as Champion but it's something. I am running into the same issue with my ranged gear (I think it's my ranged gear might be infantry) same monster (Jade Wyrm). Never will have the best unless money is spent.

[mystic turret]

You can also get Champion chests from KVK

Just like Slayer chests (MH)

[simple tinsel]

Yeah jade wyrm for ranged gear

Luckily all of these problems can be solved with bargain store 🙂 they’ve had both crimson manes and jade orbs in past

If F2P, bargain store is best thing to invest gems in without a doubt

[ashen vessel]

Well for bargain store I need to save speedup, lots of them

[livid canyon]

You mean gems

[ashen vessel]

Ah yes, Queen venom has come, imma buy it real fast

[ashen vessel]

Not bad, but siege attack? Nah

[ashen vessel]

[soft finch]

[simple tinsel]

I don’t understand what you’re trying to show us

[livid canyon]

I think he's just flexing

[rustic moat]

[ashen vessel]

His trying to do a showoff

[trim forge]

Oh wow a darknest rally lead

[lethal wren]

Building a darknest rally lead

Like those people "building a f2p rally trap"

[open stump]

Build a rally trap as a f2p sound like a really bad idea. After each "successful" traping you'll be set back to weeks/months or rebuilding it 🤔

[elder crescent]

😂, would just get out played by a P2P rally group if ur in fury.

[iron jasper]

Hmm

[valid knoll]

i think you get where im going with this

[livid canyon]

[autumn vector]

What’s the top 3 go to f2p familiars of each troop type for darknests

[rustic moat]

Depends on what troops you're attacking with

[lethal wren]

Pretty sure they meant top three for each type.

Go for Gryphon for all 3 types. Best f2p fam. Evil weevil same.
Then you want trickstar for range, goblin for cav and gemming gremlin for inf.

[tiny scroll]

Cc

[somber kindle]

how can i beat this dn?

[rustic moat]

Cav blast

[somber kindle]

u mean full cav?

[earnest violet]

Yes.

[somber kindle]

oh thanks

[ashen vessel]

But why full cav when it should be ranged to counter?

[native umbra]

Hii

[lethal wren]

You could also run a range blast. If the inf is in front and you're weak you won't beat it, in which case you go cav.
But the reason to go cav here is because there is no range so nothing can counter you.

Cav blast - send a few (like a dozen - 100) of each inf and range, and fill cav, with 4 cav heroes and one army ATK hero as leader, any familiars should ideally support cav, use inf wedge.

[ashen vessel]

Oh nice thanks

[iron jasper]

To be fair I'd say full siege 🤔

[elder crescent]

If your strong enough full siege would clap it.

[mellow hull]

I personally haven't seen a dn5 upwards get clapped by full seige, t2 yes, seige no

[iron jasper]

i would say you need a rally lead specialising in siege warfare

[earnest violet]

[unique geyser]

Hi

[lethal wren]

I'm a fan of T1 cav for dn5. You need T2 for a DN6 though

[modern moth]

Join so

[steady panther]

Hello

[shell shore]

Um for dark balls, does 8 hour and 12 hour balls have any differences? Assume the level is the same

[ashen vessel]

Once you said dark balls I understood wrong

[open stump]

Oh, you mean the dark essence ? yeah, I don't think there is difference betweens the reward from 8 hours ones and 12hours one. Only the color of the essence matter for the reward I think

[ashen vessel]

Yep

[scarlet fern]

[slender urchin]

It's cav dn

[lethal wren]

Level matters in addition to colour

[tranquil leaf]

can i win this with 448 % inf atk

[mental copper]

Depends on what frontline nest have

You can try

[earnest violet]

I think so. Might need good T5 count in rally.

[tranquil leaf]

gonna try ill lyk

[mental copper]

12 hour better

[mental copper]

Not necessary

[tranquil leaf]

what phalanx

and how much fluff?

[open stump]

Where did you get the data though. the wiki doesn't seem to acknowledge a difference. Is it just a gut feeling ? or do you have the info from somewhere ?

(for the 8h / 12h difference in rewards)

[rich sedge]

only the essence lvl determines the rewards time is irrelevant but for higher levels dn6 there's only 1 time for all 12H

[open stump]

Right, that's what I though

[zinc halo]

Unless it has Ranged frontline, even 550% Inf would not do it 😅
Tbh, infantry blast Dns are the hardest since you can't hit the second army line and counter it using Wedge formations like you can in Ranged and Cav blast Dns.

[lethal wren]

Even knowing this fact, the very first time I tried an inf blast Dn6 , I was nervous and totally not expecting to win at all, fucked up and hit in speed gear... Killed it anyway 😂😂😂
But that was a very lucky range front and it didn't have p5 fams

So yes, if it's for a range front 448% can totally kill it

[misty lark]

Time does matter. Kind of. With 2 essences of the same level, the essence with the higher transmutation time gives better rewards (on average). But since the other essence takes less time, it means you can start another transmutation sooner.

To sum everything up, essence time doesn’t exactly matter, just that you always have your transmission lab running. If you have 2 essences 1-2 levels apart with different times, the higher time will still give better rewards, but at the cost of… taking more time

[open stump]

Do you have any data supporting that ? Or is it an average you got out of nowhere ? Peoples tend to create belief out of fin air because their intuition dictate them that's how thing should be. Like people making sense of the leaders troupe type in darknets to know the front as an example, or that hero troupes type matter in coliseum. But they never have any data to support it. It's just what they think it's correct based on their confirmation biases. "It works sometime so it must be true".
Just saying higher time to transmute essence give "better" reward in average doesn't mean much if it's just your impression based on nothing. We, as regular plain old humans, tend to remember what we want to remember. If you open 9 shitty gift and 1 really really good one. You gonna remember the good one.
If you log every reward you get from your essences and after opening multiples hundred of them you find a significative difference between the transmutation time (or find anyone who did just that) I would believe that you are correct. But I doubt it have been done before. I'm pretty sure if would have been shared on the wiki if anyone was dedicated enough to do that.

[mellow hull]

Dude, essense is essense. If you really care about rewards get the higher level ones, stop worrying about something as miniscule as how long it takes to transmute it

It's insignificant, at the end of the day it's all rng

[frail gale]

Hi, only the essence level matters - it is better to have lower timing essence when we are active Inorder to fill more essences in less time.

Both lower timing and higher timing essence gives same reward when the essence level is same (This is true and you can remember this)

[open stump]

That is what I'm thinking as well. I'm just reacting to people claiming there is a difference without having anything to back it up

When people claim stuff out of nowhere a bunch of people won't question it and believe it at face value. Then spread the missimformation as well

[lethal wren]

All essence take the same time. 10 hours.

Oh wait, I forgot there's others than Dn6... Carry On

[sharp wedge]

@iron jasper

@iron jasper ping me if yr online

[rustic moat]

This user has never sent a message in this server. How did you find them?

[lethal wren]

Or, since it's literally none of your business, possible that it's their friend or guildmates, who they know joined 🙄

Why would you assume they're tagging a random stranger?

[rustic moat]

You're right. It's none of my business that they're attempting to gain the attention of someone with that pfp.

[misty lark]

Yes. Saw some spreadsheet where a guy tested a lot of essences to see what the rewards were

I’ll see if I can find it

I found it. Would post link here, but don’t think outside links are allowed. PM me if you want to check it out

[open stump]

will do 🙂

[open stump]

This was very informative, the article does point at a difference between transmutation time. Thanks for that. The guy that wrote the article seemed to have done exactly what I think should have been done (log all the reward he got from essence into a table and see what the result is)

[misty lark]

Yes! Was a super neat experiment

[lethal wren]

It really isn't.
99% of the stuff you insert yourself into is none of your business

[autumn vector]

When sending just range does it matter what line up you put?

[lethal wren]

Yes. If you're weak it matters a lot

If you got full champ and maxed stars you can kinda yeet anything into a darknest and win, but for most of us, being careful with formation helps

[thin umbra]

Lol

[ashen vessel]

Can you win all darknests by sending right troop type on ranged wedge only?

[zinc halo]

That's not true. But yes for "most" Infantry blast and Cavalry blast DN that's the best formation. With ranged blast, I'd go Infantry wedge (if unsure of formation) and Cavalry wedge if Dn is Cav frontline.

[ashen vessel]

So if I send infantry blast for example I set lineup to ranged that's how it works?

[lethal wren]

I send inf blast in range wedge. Because then the buffers are at the front and the main army hangs back

[gusty pike]

?mute @stable zealot 24h stop spamming links in every single channel

[sick garden]

СТРАНОСТЬ#0147 was muted | stop spamming links in every single channel

[autumn vector]

Would range still be recommended for this?

[shy nexus]

depends on front

[lethal wren]

You can control the front with range cav nests

Send range blast with a very low number of cav. Like a dozen cav troops at most, do not put even one inf!!! And use Cav phal. You'll get cav front coming out from the wall before it breaks and win every time

You can even test it, run this type of nest with inf in it and see a range front, fail, rerun it as I just said and you'll get a cav front.
*This only works very specifically with range/cav mix nests that have zero inf

[livid canyon]

Doesn't even need any buffer at all.. ez nest

[ionic onyx]

Infantry phalanx

[ionic onyx]

Pure range, no buffers

Thanks for coming to my TED talk

[jade thicket]

So how come when I run rang into inf my range doesn’t kill dn inf ?

[ionic onyx]

Because you’re weak

Thanks for coming to my TED talk

[night path]

Fuxk you

[valid knoll]

[night path]

Hey

[rustic moat]

[lethal wren]

Well, he's not wrong

[lavish tundra]

I didnt know God had such a weird shaped head

https://tenor.com/view/silly-face-crazy-face-creepy-filter-face-gif-17797877

[summer thunder]

what should be the best formation and troops to send here? its dn5 inf wedge

[livid canyon]

Pure range. No buffers at all

[rugged bone]

Running in inf wedge, against inf phalanx. In theory it should be hitting half of the infantry (130k~ inf) but one side of the range ends up targeting a third infantry army for some reason, while other targets cavalry. Any explanation to this?

[zinc halo]

What happens in inf wedge is Ranged splits into 2 squads at the sides after the buffers die, each targetting their own closest enemy squad in battle. So, the ranged at the side that targetted Inf, probably had Inf more closer to them than Cav. Although it shouldn't happen considering how Wedges work, but sometimes you can't really say what happens in battle :D

[rugged bone]

Had another guild mate run the same nest (with higher stat) and it ended up as expected it with half infantry gone. Guessing the shorter time to kill the first infantry squad would help make things less complicated

[zinc halo]

That's possible. I have never really had a situation like this (probably cz of more t5 and stats). Was thinking dn was in Inf wedge formation till I saw the comment :D

[rugged bone]

Yeahh, guessing only thing I can do with this situation is to hit it harder next time, lol. Thanks for your input anyway ^^

[lethal wren]

I would have run that in cav wedge with the same troops

[rugged bone]

Cav wedge wouldn't work as well. It would have needed to kill all 262k infantry which isn't ideal compared to 131k infantry.. Since each infantry army will be targeted by a single range army

Compared to 2 infantry army targeted by 4 ranged army, which will target the calvary behind the two infantry army next after both infantry army goes down

[lethal wren]

Says you who can't kill the nest

[rugged bone]

Theory isn't limited by might ^^

Sure you might beat that nest with cav wedge but you can beat it with less in inf wedge

[languid bluff]

Is We need to use this troops to attack darkness
Or
The darkness nest contain these type of troops for defense

[rugged bone]

It usually means the nest contains the most of that troop type, though it's not definitive

If you can get a report do it, or if it is anti you can use this to guess

[ashen vessel]

That's not right, I seen ranged leader with full cavalry troops inside, so no. Not accurate

[lethal wren]

Actually it doesn't mean much at all. It only indicates which troop type each hero gives a boost to, but really has no bearing at all on what you should do, it's totally random

[mystic turret]

Does counter boost research help with DNs?

[vestal axle]

yes

[simple tinsel]

Sry that was meant to be in reply to John wick guy

[ionic onyx]

You take more damage from sending in range wedge as it takes longer for your troops to knock the wall down

As inf is slow in battle, sending in inf phalanx allows for the wall to be taken down near instantaneously

[ionic onyx]

Ok lol

[simple tinsel]

Either way I actually did a test on what you just said a few months ago

[ionic onyx]

Yes

You do tests on darknests? Lol

[simple tinsel]

Bc had initial disagreement with other member who said same (I hope we’re good now ✌️). Range wedge, then infantry phalanx. Same amount of troops, same t4/t5 amount, same dn, battle fury on both times, etc etc.
Ranged wedge got dn down to 6% and inf phal down to 7%

[simple tinsel]

Only when needed 😉

[livid canyon]

[ionic onyx]

There’s so many variables you’re not accounting for

What formation was the DN in, did it have mixed traps, how strong is your inf blast, did you have siege

I’m telling you right now haha, inf phal is the best for doing damage

Ask any rally lead worth their salt out there

[mystic turret]

Good. I am doing my counter boost researchs now

[simple tinsel]

can probably find the pics if i look back far enough, but no i didnt use siege either time. everything was mimicked. my inf blast idk...between 600-640 at the time i wanna say

[ionic onyx]

And was this a dn6?

[simple tinsel]

yeah dn6

[ionic onyx]

The only time range wedge might be useful against DNs is if they’re in a cavalry formation, otherwise inf phal is the best

Because your blast was pretty low it will make a minimal amount of difference as to which formation you use

If you’re hitting in inf phal and you have a strong blast, you legit have 4-5 seconds of more pure damage, as opposed to range wedge where the inf has to march for a long time to join battle

Range wedge is only good for sustaining less damage/getting a walkback from a target. And there’s no point in getting a walkback from a DN lol

[simple tinsel]

i found pics now. dn6 i did experiment on was in ranged wedge formation (if still relevant). yeah ill admit the range wedge formation overall did less kills but due to percentage of troops saved, that's what made the ratio closer to winning vs. inf phal (where it killed more enemy troops but also my own)

[ionic onyx]

I think we got off topic, weren’t we talking about the wall

[ionic onyx]

But yes this is what happens as I’ve said, sustaining less damage etc, however, with higher blasts that becomes irrelevant as the damage increase when going inf phal vastly outweighs the troops saved by going range wedge

[vestal axle]

and better gear has more hp and def too

so you sustain the dmg dn does to you a lot better

[simple tinsel]

yeah initially talking about wall. personally i think it factors in though to convo...since after wall is taken down, you're left with certain amount of troops to go all out on the enemies. if more die before wall is taken down, less troops to take on enemy. but difference is negligible

well...have over 700% inf now. that considered good enough to repeat experiment? XD

[vestal axle]

dunno I haven't used inf under 800 in a while but should be

700+ means you can win any dn pretty much just need to counter front

900+ you just need to fill the rally and it walks through getting countered by a mix pure t5 dn lol

[lethal wren]

You can kill just about any dn with an easy counter with as low as 400%

[vestal axle]

by any dn I mean a mix dn6

[lethal wren]

And a 1% difference might just be RNG so it's not sufficient evidence

[lethal wren]

So do I

[vestal axle]

so ur saying my alt with 500 inf will win a dn6 that's in range front even mix ?

[lethal wren]

Every Dn6 is a mix

[vestal axle]

ye the one with 200k inf 4mil range 200k cav not so much

[lethal wren]

And I personally started killing DN6 from when I was like 400m might with 360% blast (only ones that had easy counters). And I was regularly doing them from 400% with only 2 fam slots

[vestal axle]

it's about as mix as my 208 fort rally

well with 700 stats you can beat EVEN mix dn6s as long as you get a counter on them if you like that statement better

[lethal wren]

And I've beat even mix ess 28 with 480%

[vestal axle]

and do it consistently

report please

[lethal wren]

But only on the easy counter

[vestal axle]

by easy cunter you mean walking into cav phal with range ?

[lethal wren]

Yes

Or inf Phal with cav

Of course, you can't predict it, so it's luck. Or running twice. But it's entirely doable

Heck, I don't even have t5

[vestal axle]

well I've seen people get full counter and bounce on their supposedly 500 stats accs

[lethal wren]

I'm not saying low end stats should suddenly be in charge of all darknests, but it's entirely possible

[vestal axle]

they are welcome to

I'd love to stop being asked to run 19+

[lethal wren]

So stop doing it

My whole thing is teaching people in my guild how to run DN effectively, so I don't have to do it

[vestal axle]

they know how to run them but the people taking the quests are mix only accs that have 330 mix stats lol

and are very vocal about wanting someone to run them

[lethal wren]

First time i tried an inf attack on a range based Dn6 , I got nervous and spaced out my gear swap 😂 hit in speed gear 212%, killed it anyway. Just got really lucky with the counter

[lethal wren]

My guild no longer really has this issue, most people can run 19+ now.
But until 6 months back we had a strict rule.

• Do not take the ess 19 quest unless you can consistently run them yourself (this means you can run ess 23, because finding the easy 19 during GF is a pain)
• if you can't run them, you must get permission from someone who can before taking, and pay 5m each RSS to the rally lead
• you must scout and link good nests

I got strict on it and threatened to kick people. It worked

[vestal axle]

I'm not kicking my rally fillers for being dumb and taking a dn quest they can't do we don't even have a fest minimum here lol

[lethal wren]

Extra point: it's not just raw attack stats. Counters and fams make a big difference, army HP, etc.

[vestal axle]

I can win dn6s leaderless so ye

[lethal wren]

So quit complaining and just don't run their nests if you don't want

We run DN6 with T2 only. Can do dn5 with T1 only but still didn't succeed the t1 only DN6 yet

Also I never actually kicked anyone over it. Just threatened. And at the time I wasn't in a hardcore war guild. But doing gf in master

Regardless, entirely possible to kill DN6 from 400%

[vestal axle]

I like how we had a 15min conversation because I said that 700 stats lets you win any dn you want and you felt the need to prove that you can win some dn6 with less lol

[lethal wren]

700 stats does usually let you soon any DN.
I just pointed out that you don't need 700 and can be done much lower. You felt the need to doubt and question me on it.

[vestal axle]

I doubted the fact that you can win any which I believe we agreed that you can't

since a range wedge even mix dn6 will likely kick back 400 stats even if you have good fams and counter research

[lethal wren]

There's still no guarantee even at 700. Heck, I failed a DN6 on an account with 740% yesterday, and then my guild mate with better stats and fams tried it, also failed. 😂😂😂 Was just a sticky af nest with crazy fams on it. Then the actual rally lead with 960 blast came and decimated it

This is a pretty rare occurrence though. We were all surprised

[vestal axle]

I haven't been stuck on any dn yet with my 700 stat acc but well it has max fams so that likely helps

[lethal wren]

I never said any. But ones with the easy counter, yes

[lethal wren]

Fams are by far the biggest factor, way more than the ATK number

[round vector]

Without talents and gear

[simple tinsel]

I wish I could be like you

[cold sapphire]

Haha I destroy lvl 3 darknests alone without talents and gear, I just need 1 troop from someone for that to activate the rally :)

300k troops is enough for a lvl 3 dn

[ashen vessel]

600k for me with talents

[iron jasper]

Yeah

[harsh elbow]

Bruhmemegang

[south marlin]

Sanaol

[frail gale]

Friends,

1. Do we need infantry troops in the rally to get the army attack of of the watcher.
2. If the infantry troops die very soon, does the watcher leave the field along with his army attack.

[simple tinsel]

But can you do 300k on dn4 and win with gears and talents?

[vestal axle]

No and no

[south marlin]

[cold sapphire]

Well, the reply varies; sometimes yes, while sometimes no. I win some of the times with gear without talents a dn4, if I get a preety good counter. Else, if I don't get a counter, then I'll lose with around 30% dn morale left. In dn3, even if the dn counters me, I win.

[lethal wren]

We kill dn5 with T1 only

Still need T2 for DN6 though. Weak

[zinc halo]

Not question to me but still felt like saying. Not dn 4 but dn 5 yes

[simple tinsel]

I wouldn’t doubt it based on how I’ve seen you present yourself on this server w the amount of info you know

I haven’t tried with dn5 yet, but results on dn4 🙂

[zinc halo]

Bro those gems

[simple tinsel]

I’ve been a bit obsessive with spending on packs these past several months 😇

[vague condor]

I can defeat level 1 DN alone. ... Hahaha

[sly charm]

[silent hearth]

Clannie going mix on this ^

[south marlin]

naol

[ashen vessel]

Go full infantry with range wedge

If you send cavalry then the ranged would stop them

[iron jasper]

full inf inf phal add buffers

[kind lintel]

How to build a guild hall anyone?

[shy nexus]

wrong game buddy

[kind lintel]

How to build battle hall I mean?

[lethal wren]

You need battle tomes to build it. They cost gems. You also need your Castle and basic buildings to all be a certain level to upgrade it, but if you tap on the battle hall space it will tell you the requirements.

[ashen vessel]

It takes atleast 70k gems or more to max, idk

[ashen vessel]

That's fucked up

[kind lintel]

Have got battle tomes but I still can't build it

[lethal wren]

It's 200k gems for each of the 3 gem buildings (battle hall, Altar, prison) plus you need 2k gem golden hammers for each lv25 building, plus there's treasure trove, which doesn't have to be maxed... Assume about 650k gems to unlock academy 25.

[mystic flame]

yes

[ashen vessel]

Shit

[ashen vessel]

What are your thoughts about Gem lods

[livid canyon]

Good way to get gems... If you're dedicated, you can gather up to 20k or more

[chilly blade]

Bakr

[hallow silo]

Lol I used to gather 40k during gem lodes

[smoky dew]

only 3 gems building are main to unlock academy 25

trove is not important for academy 25

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-understand-this-kyle-broflovski-south-park-s13e8-i-see-dead-celebrities-gif-22860782

[misty lark]

Lmao. It very much is important

[lethal wren]

You're an idiot. But it doesn't affect me so have fun 🥰

Reading comprehension: fail.
I didn't say trove is a requirement, I said the 3 gem buildings plus golden hammers are. I merely pointed out that treasure trove exists, but it doesn't have to be maxed.

So, who's "not understanding" now?

[shy nexus]

hey, if they have less gems if they ignored the trove, less development, easier free leader for altar booster

[paper fable]

Gg

[robust shale]

Gg

[ashen vessel]

If a dn for example has 500k inf and cav, then 1.5m ranged, this time we send full infantry right?

[misty lark]

No. Send cav

[livid canyon]

That is the most logical choice, yes.
Except you want to flex and send cav and still win even if the dn is range front

[ashen vessel]

Thanks for info

I'm learning

[open gull]

What would you send here?

[valid knoll]

an ambulance

[ashen vessel]

It's mix

[dense sentinel]

Check its Leader and familiars

[lethal wren]

The leader and familiars don't tell you the frontline / formation. Can only give an indication of which type is likely to be stronger, but frontline is everything

Tbh if you're not confident running higher level DN, don't bother with mix nests like that, just scout for 5 minutes and find better. It's faster than having to run it twice after you get formation

[median plover]

If I am going to inf blast.. what information should I use? Inf phl or cav phl?

[fervent latch]

I always get this feeling that easy DNs have longer wait times for transmuting is there any evidence ?

[livid canyon]

Inf phal, range wedge or cav phalanx, yes.
Personally I don't use cav phalanx cos I can forget to switch back after the rally.

I use inf phalanx or range wedge.
Inf phalanx if there's little to no cav in the nest, range wedge if there is a lot of cav

[summer thunder]

for a dn5 ess19+ i like to use 5k troops each other than the req troops for eg.- 290k inf with 5k range and cav each, mostly i like to use range wedge formation donno why it gives me the best result lmao
now my question- Any tips u guys have for better result in dn rallies? and do i add siege for buffer?

[vestal axle]

Siege is only useful if you hitting an anti DN and aren't strong enough to be 100% sure you'd walk back normally to make sure you get report other than that there's no reason to add it

[summer thunder]

so does it work with dn6's i almost never get a report for that lmao

and whats the optimal amount?

[vestal axle]

The 5k buffers aren't necessary either 4 each will do the same job bigger buffers only are rly useful in PvP scenarios where someone might garrison to try to kill them

Siege also 4 works fine since most DNS don't have siege in them if you want to be safe you can do 500-5000 but that's only going to help in case the dn has siege

[zinc halo]

Infantry wedge or Infantry phal would give better results if frontline of Infantry based dn is Ranged

[vestal axle]

Inf wedge is just a worse inf phal lol

[lethal wren]

You're probably using too many buffers. And also you're probably just too weak.
Familiars are really important to get right as well.
If you're hardly even getting a report on DN6, stick to ones you can do and slowly build up ess levels.

Other things that can help: go into fury if you can do so safely in your kingdom. Or use an atk boost if you can't. See if you can capture a leader for the boost (get a guildmate to lend you one) - again, only if you're safe to do so in your kingdom.

Counter research makes a big difference.

Spend more time on scouting to find the easy nests and don't run mix nests (obviously all DN6 are mix, but at least find ones that are heavily one type the you can counter and avoid the ones with too many p5 fams

[summer thunder]

yes stats about 350-360 for blasts(without talents), counter is max, i can do some ess 23-24 dn5 without talents, winrate is low though lmao, probably need to get to 450 without talents and then do dn6's and working on fam slot 4 + grinding p5 fams albeit slow

mix dn's are hard tbh and at the time of gf its really hard to find ess 19+ which are not mix smh

a while ago i did win a mix with like 1-2% lmao(morale left)

[lethal wren]

Seriously...
350 blasts without talents and you have 3 fams + counters ... You should be able to kill some DN6, and definitely not failing so bad you don't get a report.

[summer thunder]

i really donno lol

[lethal wren]

Of course not every single one, but you should be able to.

[summer thunder]

leme perfect my high ess dn5's, i also need to upgrade pact3 fams and pact4 gryphon skills

people with 600 stats fail for dn6

yesterday a guy with 530 stats failed dn5

[vestal axle]

He might be lacking on hp due to no talents and likely has no altar too

[summer thunder]

yeah bubble up

[lethal wren]

I didn't even have 3rd fam slot open, and 360% blast when I started killing DN6 fairly consistently.

And at that point I was bubbled, didn't have altar or leader.

[summer thunder]

[lethal wren]

Still was about 50-50 but I could do it

[summer thunder]

well then that made me motivated leme try to atleast get a report lol

[lethal wren]

What buffers are you using? And formations?

[summer thunder]

generally use range wedge for cav attack, inf phal for inf and inf wedge for range

[lethal wren]

Hmm

[summer thunder]

buffers as suggested will try 4 each, used to do 1k earlier

[lethal wren]

I use inf wedge for cav blasts. And 48 of each buffer
(How I started DN6 winning)

I only did cav at first because that was my strongest stat

[vestal axle]

Range phal is better than inf wedge

[summer thunder]

range phal would do the same job no?

[vestal axle]

In inf wedge the range buffers are often left behind and don't get hit

[lethal wren]

You say that, but my proof in the pudding says otherwise - I'm winning, while this other kid with similar stats is not even getting reports

[summer thunder]

i like to keep my squads who are main attack force at the sides

[vestal axle]

He's sending it in wedge not phal lol

[lethal wren]

I always put my main blast at the back.

And I'm the one sitting here killing DN6 from when I was 450m might with only 350% blasts and 2 fam

[lethal wren]

And you don't even get a report. Consider trying something else

[summer thunder]

ok will try main attack at back

[lethal wren]

Seriously the number of people who come into my guild and think they can't run DN, are amazed that I do... And then I give this same advice, and they start being able to do it.

Wedge formations with main troops at the back.

It's not the same strategy as attacking castles. DN behave slightly differently, have weird stats, and often fams / heroes that aren't logical for the troops / formation and crazy big wall compared to castles.

So yeah, people like to rally PvP in wedge with main troops on the side, and wonders with phal... But DN can be different

[summer thunder]

and buffer 4 each with t4 siege?

[lethal wren]

Don't send siege

If you're weak, I'd use more than 4 of each, but still fewer than 100. As you get stronger you can reduce the buffers.

Try it and watch the battles, see that the buffers move up.

Also, inf blast is the hardest, so they finding a nest you can cav blast in inf wedge or range blast in cav wedge (***change out of cav front immediate after so you don't forget!!)

And yeah, change your talents. It's worth it.
Fury if you can. Do a hidden fury if you must (like start a rally on a dead castle, cancel immediately, right before the DN hits. Then you can speed back and random about if needed till you can shield.

[summer thunder]

got an alt, can send a leader tbh, will save me from furry

[lethal wren]

Main thing is to check the report. If you fail the nest but it has a hard counter front, don't feel down. Just go search another nest and try again. If you get an easy formation you should win.
Can take a while to find the right scout reports and still there's some luck with frontline, but you'll be in the right track

[summer thunder]

thanks for the advice much appreciated 🙂

[fervent latch]

Should I do this with inf

[vestal axle]

Send pure range

[fervent latch]

Thats basically pure range

There's always gonna be one guy that doesn't get it:)

[vestal axle]

Well if you send pure range cav will charge out

If one guy doesn't get it and sends anything but range you gonna keep losing

[fervent latch]

Ok thanks

[vestal axle]

DN auto changes formation to inf phal when it charges out and as there's no inf , cav is gonna become the frontline

[fervent latch]

Ok I will try just to understand though if I do inf can I win as well since it's in range phalanx?

[livid canyon]

Just send pure range fam.

[fiery onyx]

Try to make it only t4 and t5 on DNS level 4 and 5

[lethal wren]

You send T5 to dn4?? But it's so sloooow. Kill dn5 with T2 only. Maybe some T4 if you're weak.

[fringe turret]

Yeah t2 possible but need good stats tho

[autumn geyser]

Lmao 1% lost

[ashen vessel]

Bruh

[wary epoch]

[lapis jackal]

Hi

[summer thunder]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/588421743526281216.webp?size=48

[iron jasper]

Ho

[latent wren]

has anybody worked out the numbers for how different dark matter rewards are for levels 26 to 28?

[olive panther]

Normally they give RSS, speed, army size,VIP points

But , getting 1.5k gems now....for event

[ashen vessel]

I love that event

[olive panther]

Me too ❤️

[barren briar]

Okay

[ashen vessel]

Loool

[lethal abyss]

HOLA

[split violet]

I defeated my first lvl6 with rng atk 389%, is that good?

[lethal abyss]

I defeated my first lvl6 with rng atk 389%, is that good?
No 945 atk

[ashen vessel]

yes thats good, remember depends on thier familiar and lineup

[lethal wren]

Yup, pretty good. Grats

[tepid bolt]

Always happen with me

This is a range dn but range is a front line and I counter range not a cav

How I can counter cavs in this dn ?

[zinc halo]

If it has only range/cav inside you can send full ranged troops in Infantry phalanx formation, you will hit cavs

[jaunty wharf]

Hello
For gf mission
If i have 3/3 essence in transmutation lab and my mission is 6 19+
When i join a 19+ rally will it counted for the mission or my lab must be empty?
Thanks in advance

[lethal wren]

Lab must be empty

[jaunty wharf]

Thanks for the help ☺️

[finite condor]

Hi

😦

[summer thunder]

😦

[next schooner]

Sssshhhh

[split mortar]

how to

[ashen vessel]

I would send Cav blast with inf wedge

[split mortar]

doubt ill be able to withstand inf v t5 inf

[lethal wren]

If you can't kill that with a cav blast, you're actually just not strong enough. Find another nest or get someone else to run it

[vestal axle]

<@&917948198297944104> sus links

[gusty pike]

?warn @lavish spruce do not post sketchy links

[sick garden]

Ayaz#7910 has been warned. || do not post sketchy links

[ionic onyx]

Range phal better

[lethal wren]

Not on a PvP rally, but in a darknest, for someone who is weak enough that they're here asking: no, cav blast in inf wedge with a few buffers is better.

[iron jasper]

Should I send cav in inf wedge with buffer

[zinc halo]

Yeah that or range phal. If you loose first try and find dn is in ranged phal or wedge then go in ranged wedge

[ionic onyx]

hello am i strong

[lethal wren]

No

[long kayak]

Dayuuummm show me da wae

[round vector]

Only T3 Vs t3

[remote eagle]

maybe yours gears are strong

[median plover]

400% inf stats could beat level6?

[zinc halo]

Yes. Only if the dn frontline is Ranged

[ripe veldt]

Darknest heroes

[lethal wren]

Irrelevant information

[ruby falcon]

idk if its a real person or a dn 6

[plush phoenix]

Lmao

410% won dn6

[split violet]

Rng wedge?

[ashen vessel]

Cav wedge

[turbid grail]

https://tenor.com/view/rq-yay-rq-yes-cat-rq-rq-yes-yes-yes-gif-20226294

[summer thunder]

i am so close

[plush phoenix]

#ez

[earnest violet]

Pretty nice.

[mortal marten]

Which formation should i put to win?

Infantry phalanx/wedge or range phalanx?

[livid canyon]

Cav in inf wedge

[bleak tapir]

Does anyone know if the +80% troops hp when 10% die for 10s familliars are more effective than the +15% troops atk? Against Darknests

Strix, harpy, sorcerer VS Engineer, gnome, yeti

@plush phoenix what's your stats? Rng atk, army atk, army hp

[ionic onyx]

Range phal is better

[ionic onyx]

Range wedge if your cav is not very high, if the DN is in range phal you will win easily

[kindred valley]

Yeah I rallied against ess 24 dn for the first time and won 😍

[ashen vessel]

Nice

[celest elbow]

Nice 👍

[tepid hamlet]

🙂

[glad terrace]

Nice job!

[split mortar]

lol ive just lost a blind dn3

i cant believe it

[iron jasper]

you didnt even break the wall

[glad terrace]

You missing heroes & familiars? Buffers too

[craggy quartz]

Any pointers?

[iron jasper]

send range

?warn 502540911075655690 third party applications are not allowed

[sick garden]

pervy_sage#0331 has been warned. || third party applications are not allowed

[craggy quartz]

Didn't know screen record playback wasn't allowed. Thanks for suggestion

[zenith peak]

Stats are 400% each troop type

Can anyone help. I'm not able to win dn6s

[livid canyon]

Use cav wedge not phal

Also try to get more T5 in the rally.

Might consider adding some siege too if wall doesn't go down quickly

[zenith peak]

Wall was down quickly

[zenith peak]

Didn't know the frontline so did cav phalanx

[livid canyon]

You sent a range rally. Should have been cav wedge or inf phal.

[amber harbor]

Inf wedge and you're good.

[viscid creek]

🇪🇬

[zenith peak]

I do that in dn5s where I know the frontline... Sending range in cav phalanx help range to switch targets easily

Like if the dn is in range phalanx my range will target 2 squads if range not 4.. coz I 'm in range wedge type of formation...

So as they clear the 2 squads they will switch to cavs

I didn't know that dn was in rng wedge.. in that case cav phalanx can be used

[zinc halo]

You should be able to with 30% counter research, altar boost, lvl 60 lead in prison, maybe a 20% army attack boost if needed. Better switch to just range talents if you're in mix talents, if not then you're good to beat it.

Inf wedge > Cav phal for range

[ashen vessel]

Guys are 220 atk status on all troop type enough to do dn4 with 1.5m troop?

Or less troops

[zenith peak]

Make sure counter it

[ashen vessel]

sure

[ionic onyx]

@zenith peak inf wedge

Only formations to send range in is inf wedge and Cav wedge. This instance inf wedge would be best

[zenith peak]

Okay

[earnest violet]

Yup.

[twilit sparrow]

How to counter a inf wedge?

[earnest violet]

Depends on the compo of the nest.

Is it a single type majority nest or double or just mixed?

[halcyon edge]

Please tell about
Contain mix composition of nest
How deal with that nest

[zenith peak]

Check the frontline

[halcyon edge]

@zenith peak Without do rally on nest
How to check darknest frontline???
This is the main problem

[lethal wren]

You can't. The only way to know the formation of the darkest is to set a rally on it and find out

[zenith peak]

Yup

[mortal marten]

Need help with formation, anyone on?

Which formation should i got with?

[livid canyon]

Send infantry in range wedge

[lethal wren]

I agree.

But my better advice would be: keep scouting till you find a better nest. If you're struggling with these, you will have to get lucky and find one with an easy comp and a favorable formation. An extra 10 minutes of scouting can save a lot of wasted time rallying hopeless causes

[ionic onyx]

@long kayak @wise sapphire

[wise sapphire]

Just run a rally, get a walkback, send another rally to counter the formation if you don’t win the first time, ez

[ionic onyx]

That takes too long

[wise sapphire]

Only if ur dumb and rally darknests 2+ mins away

[ionic onyx]

I mean I wouldn’t call them dumb, they probably are if they’re asking for help on DNs

[wise sapphire]

Ur toxic, this is why you will never be english mod

[ionic onyx]

Ur the one being toxic bruv

[long kayak]

The gods way

[livid canyon]

Well he didn't know what front the dn was in so it's better to play it safe no?
And I got no idea how strong he iz

[ionic onyx]

Well there’s only a 2/6 chance he gets countered and even so, it’s only 200k cav

If you get bounced by 200k Cav and that amount of inf you shouldn’t be running dn6s anyways

[river jolt]

Laude

🇹🇯

[olive panther]

My castle lv24..and cav status 320.57%.
I am trying this dn... let's see what happens

🙂

[olive panther]

Win 😙😙

[long kayak]

Don't swear

[zenith peak]

320 is good to go for bigger essence level too

[olive panther]

My battle hall stuck on LV 24...
I think I can't win bigger ess

😩 😩

[zenith peak]

Yeah. Then can't

[olive panther]

🥺

[uneven token]

ah shit

those bulinds are rough

buildings*

[olive panther]

I am lv24 max ahah

[celest elbow]

[ancient gull]

Atl be right

[rotund palm]

Pls weekly

[valid knoll]

what?

[shy raven]

Thanks for the info, info

[summer thunder]

no dank in here xD

imagine dank in lm server

[rich sedge]

425% Blast,Lvl 9 Stacker fam,All Atk Cav Heros,30% Counter Research,Dn specific 30% boost,10% Army Atk II,put on 20% army boost and I have failed to win a dn6( I have never found a dn I countered though I usually look for the the ones with low T5 and less than 400k troops for those troops I don't counter with Cav) The Atk can and will go higher with time but I see people with similar stats beat dn6 it breaks me it confuses me and make me a bit sad I have scouted so many dn6(and even some of the dn6 I scouted have given some guildmates their first dn6 wins but not me the master scout)

[zenith peak]

Maybe need more stats

[plush phoenix]

Very easy

[livid canyon]

@rich sedge see ^^

[zenith peak]

Any tips to win this dn?

[violet turtle]

Go In rng phalnax

[zinc halo]

Range phal and better stats or some t5 :P

[zenith peak]

Nvm just won my 1st dn6 today

[zenith peak]

Rng phal and infantry wedge works same for cav.. isn't it?

Infantry wedge just give a extra line of buffers

[violet turtle]

Yeah , but I never switch to wedge for dn

[zenith peak]

Why so?

[violet turtle]

Bcoz I never need to , I get win from phalnax easy

[zenith peak]

Strong

[ionic onyx]

No range phal is better

[covert nacelle]

range wedge vs range wedge , should be DN range or cav will touch me first , right ?

i dont understand why inf come first

[gusty pike]

you did not send any buffers

no buffers = the defenders will charge out and automatically swap to infantry phalanx

[covert nacelle]

i did it early with 30k cav

but still lose

[gusty pike]

buffers probably died out before the wall went down...which will also cause them to swap to inf front

[covert nacelle]

so , the DN formation can change automatic if we send 1 type troops with no buffer ?

buffer will stop the DN to change their formation ?

[gusty pike]

only applies for ranged blasts with no buffer

which you could manipulate in certain situations

[covert nacelle]

this case only works for darknest , right ?

not player

[earnest violet]

Player rallies too.

[gusty pike]

it applies for players too, the interaction occurs when a wall is present iirc

[earnest violet]

Yup.

[covert nacelle]

ah i see

[earnest violet]

That's why traps heal wall in between two rallies. Can help you counter just in case the other side didn't send any buffers but yeah, it's very unlikely.

[covert nacelle]

this is new for me

im a trap for myself

but don't know about that wall trick

[rich sedge]

I think it's me being always unlucky with formation

[zenith peak]

First time

[rich sedge]

Everytime

[zenith peak]

I'm talking about myself

Also I hit range on inf

[rich sedge]

Never won a dn6

[zenith peak]

So wasn't lucky with the formation

[rich sedge]

Always never found a Dn 6 With low Rng and Cav with Inf front

That was in Cav plx

It's too late to change also I already have lvl 9 Cav stacker with less than 20 orbs to max after which I'll do 80% Cav hp

[near cedar]

Can win with a cav blast?

[livid canyon]

Maybe, maybe not. One way to know for sure.
Mixed DNS like these are annoying

[plush phoenix]

Ez

Without t5

[iron jasper]

How I conter it? Plz help

Full inf in inf wedge?

[livid canyon]

Full inf.. inf phal should work

[iron jasper]

Thanks

[uneven token]

wouldnt cav blast be better?

[livid canyon]

Yes.. but he might not be strong enough to clear the range if the dn is range front. Inf blast is safest option

[indigo beacon]

3 troop type DN with 1 mil inf, 1 mil range, 2 mil cav in ranged wedge. Any suggestions?

[lethal wren]

Scout another nest

You'd go inf because of the range front, but it's just a huge amount of cav coming in at the sides and if you can't beat it, at your strength, just spend a couple minutes and scout again.

[indigo beacon]

we made it to 5% morale with ranged with inf buffers in inf wedge, could probably brute force it but you are right, it's a fairly brutal setup

[round vector]

You could go 5/5/0 without buffer

[indigo beacon]

in inf wedge?

[lethal wren]

But why would you. Splitting your march means splitting your stats compared to a blast, and you're just as likely to lose (more likely in fact with the reduced attack power).

You'll save time by just scouting an easier nest and killing that.

[livid canyon]

Man tryna do a reverse 055 on a dn lol

[round vector]

Rng maybe

Or what ?

[ashen vessel]

Cav blast on infantry wedge

[prime stump]

Hey, anyone who can give guidance on arranging talents for particular troop types in darknest and battles?

Not just the mixed talents

[hollow phoenix]

For particular troop talents just put all the talent points on the attack stats for that type then put the rest on defense and health

[prime stump]

Okay thanks enchanted

[plush phoenix]

[grave belfry]

🤭

[heavy mortar]

Why Heroic Cannoneer killed darkness defense Heroic Cannoneer not Ancient Drake Rider? Anyone can explain it. Thank you

[lethal wren]

It's about formation. Your troops will attack whatever is in front of the formation first.

That nest is in infantry wedge, which means the range is at the front and then the cav are at the back.

Troops don't target the type that they counter, they attack what's in front of them.

In order to win that specific nest do it again exactly the same, but add a very small amount (4-12 of them) of cav troops as buffers with your range blast, and use cavalry phalanx.
This is a trick that the few cav troops you put in your frontline will race up to the wall, and the enemy cav troops will rush out of the wall to attack your range before the wall even comes down. You will win it easily.

Pay attention to the formation changes and watch the battles, you will see exactly how it works.

[grave belfry]

🤭

[quartz finch]

How much Stat percent is needed to win Any Dn5?

And with out Familiar can we not win any dn5 if we fill 2 m t4?

[summer thunder]

i think so, the thing with dn5 is lower ess dn's dont have familiars so are easier to do as compared to high ess dn's
Secondly this all depends on the formation and the troops inside the dn
mix dn's are the hardest to do
2 type troop are easier and 1 type is the easiest
i think u should be fine with lower ess dn 5, u have to try with higher ess though

@quartz finch

300 stats should get u to dn5 clears
400+ stats for dn6

[fast sundial]

😭

A tip for renge leader:- don't use buffer when their is only cav and renge in a dn 😀

[mortal marten]

I tried 4 times, my stats 410% + but didn't won Dn6 tho..

[lethal wren]

If you just look at single troop type lower level dn5, 200% is enough.

For 19+ you want more like 300%

DN6 can be beaten with 350% but not reliably.

[lethal wren]

You need to scout more, try a few better tips and keep trying. You can absolutely kill a DN6 with 400%+ but only the easy ones with a favorable frontline

[summer thunder]

most of the time front line of the dn is not favourable there are a few ss by people who cleared with 400 stats in here

[summer thunder]

^

sorry for the ping

[lethal wren]

This was last year, but one of my very early DN6 successes

I was about 500m might at the time and mostly purple gear.

(accidentally hit in speed gear, won anyway)

But at the time my actual stats in gear was barely 400%

[misty lark]

How much t5 lol

[lethal wren]

Was all t4

I still don't have t5

[plush phoenix]

Without altar boost and army attack boost

No t5 in my rally

Very easy

[lean glen]

How doe

[misty marsh]

For a weak stats and first dn5 was it good?

[ashen vessel]

Yes, depends on lineup and number of t4 u have in ur rally

[lethal wren]

Knowing how to counter them and getting lucky

[lethal wren]

Did you forget to send heroes?

[little dust]

Hi what to send

[meager current]

show troops

[little dust]

😭😭

[lethal wren]

Seriously though the heroes and familiars aren't that relevant in a darkest. If you want tips on how to beat one we need to see the troops inside

[iron jasper]

[hardy basin]

I saw there's a screenshot in the Helpbot with "Darknest heroes" we thought it was meant to determine what to send just according to the Darknest Hero (the icon you see when you click on it) but apparently it doesn't really work? What was that meant for

[cloud reef]

That's what it was meant for. It's just wrong.

[odd scaffold]

In 90% cases it works for es28 DNs. However for lower antis it doesn't seem accurate in most cases.

[lethal wren]

It's useless, doesn't have any correlation at all with what's in the nest / nest formation.

People assume it means something because it's published. But even hephbot doesn't actually say that it means anything. Because it doesn't.

[simple tinsel]

Anyone know why it says defeat even though the total losses of dn are more than mine? 🤨
Didn’t break through wall maybe? Don’t judge…trying to solo an ess18 😜

[ashen vessel]

Just set someone to send u some siege

[cursive spruce]

You actually only got 117k of their troops, the rest are traps and I guess they don't count for the win condition

[simple tinsel]

With my stats, siege would be less effective at breaking wall than what I went with 😝

[simple tinsel]

Yeah saw that…it strange because I’ve seen a lot of dn reports in my time. I’ve seen people win by as little as a ‘679,720 vs 679,851’, and never really bothered to look at the traps that were damaged but I’d imagine it was more than 131…but still came out as a win for them

[cursive spruce]

True, idk lol

[lethal wren]

Watch the battle. Probably didn't break the wall.

[simple tinsel]

Yeah watched it earlier and wall didn’t break all the way. Not breaking wall = automatic defeat?

Either way, destroyed it w 50% army size boost after so I’m happy 🙂

[lethal wren]

Not breaking wall = defeat. Even if there's 0 troops remaining