👾┊familiars

[quartz geode]

Are you a trap?

Rally lead?

Filler?

[dawn flower]

Suppose 300% someone base attack range then black wing can give 600% on it and attack on large squard

I am trap as well thinking for solo attack if i can do pact 5 fully upgraded

[quartz geode]

Blackwings does 600% of inital stat. So 300% would be 1800% percent worth of damage

But its not much

You would need 900% blasts to gain significant impact from pact 5

Don’t get me wrong, they are still good but for their price, you would get more value from other fams

[quartz geode]

Well for traps, pact 5 fams are good because they are active early in battle

There is one familiar which you can use everywhere and thats jade

Jade is the best familiar to have

But for f2p, its can be difficult to get

[dawn flower]

I dont think pact 5 familear is tough for f2p like i am f2p currently in total 65 days i have 104 tokken

But the thing people have to play smart

[quartz geode]

Tokens for tycoon?

[dawn flower]

Blackwing token

[quartz geode]

Oh black wing pacts

[dawn flower]

Ya

[quartz geode]

It can be good if you are a trap

But overall it can only be used for range blast and some mix composition

Black-wing is probably the least used and least popular fams out of all the pact 5’s

[dawn flower]

Why?

[quartz geode]

It can be good in your wall since you are a trap

[quartz geode]

Because most people run compositions like 424 or some variation of it

[dawn flower]

Thats the reasion i choose black wing

[quartz geode]

What’s the reason?

[dawn flower]

And 2reasion is it give army attack and army hp

[quartz geode]

I would recommend if you’re a trap

But overall not a great first choice

Would be better to do other p5 first

[tribal hazel]

For ark yes but for defense it's not that good

[fallow dagger]

What familiar should I invest in

[deft ember]

Jade

[tribal hazel]

Yes if you're p2p just go for Jade. Best fam overall

[fallow dagger]

Thanks

[fallow dagger]

I'll keep jade in mind but any more f2p friendly one?

[tribal hazel]

I thought you meant money when you said invest. For f2p get gryphon, the stacking ones the shield ones

But you can try and get jade too thought gf and such

[fallow dagger]

nah I'm broke

Yeah gryphon seems like a good option

[tribal hazel]

Yeah but be aware it's not that good on defense especially with a high comp

It only activates at 10% troops lost which it's usually late into the battle or not even in the battle

If you got 35 m troops enemy needs to kill 3.5m

[fallow dagger]

im a pretty new player so I'm really low on troops

[tribal hazel]

Then you will need it but later in the game

Focus on Devil wheel and Aquaris in the beginning. Maybe get the -40% hp ones too

[wheat pivot]

Devil wheel?

[tribal hazel]

Eevil wheevil my bad.@wheat pivot

[stiff glade]

What formations should I use frostwing

[tribal hazel]

What do you mean

[quartz geode]

any comp as long as cav count is not the lowest in that formation

424,695,055,596,208,etc

for 442 it would be better to use queen bee instead of frostwing as you will likely have higher range stats

assuming you have all the 150% p5

[undone basalt]

Best fams for wall?

[fallow dagger]

Yeah
I'm about to max out aquaris

[tribal hazel]

How big is your comp and what fams do you have

[buoyant crater]

If I were to put tempestite and drider on my wall would it stack I seen some guildmates saying it won’t but they’ve got different activation requirements at different troops fallen %

[grave sun]

Can someone tell me what the shield fams do...in the sense of attack and defending?...I'm not sure if to start them or drider...I've finished my bw, gargie and bon

[jaunty anchor]

Is that any recommended p4/p5 familiars for defend?

[plain void]

All of you Guys are playing a different game i swear. The only Words i understand in this chat i i/you do sth than its like you guys arent speaking english

[fringe fern]

You didn’t get the cheat sheet?

[hollow zealot]

What is the best 5 familiars for heavy cavalry attack including heroes as well?

[wheat pivot]

Pins

[opal pecan]

When will be the the next 2x ticket event ?

[cloud turret]

Are p4s shields useful for 30m+ comp?

[quartz geode]

Yeah

Assuming you have 10m inf, shield fam will activate when 1.2m die and take 700k worth of damage

[twilit crescent]

Id 1751625693
Please change time to time hell events
Donot give long time same events

I am tried the same events

I saw for a long time only coming Margie packs event
Please change event time to time
I wetted 20 hours training troops hell events but donot come for long time I wetted 20 hours training troops hell events but donot come for long time

I am tried the same events

I saw for a long time only coming Margie packs event

Please change event time to time

I wetted 20 hours training troops hell events but donot come for long time

[wheat pivot]

no

[hexed imp]

Nah

[lone gate]

what’s best 424 mix familiars

no pact 5’s

will get 5th slot, so please suggest 4-5 familiar lineups please. Mostly used for mini lead / rally trap

[carmine robin]

I finish familias battle but when i select familiar in battle manage theres nothing

[deft ember]

You need Red orbs

& yellow orbs

[plain kettle]

New Familiar

[leaden geyser]

<@&917948198297944104> spam

[plain void]

The dude sent 2 pics

[leaden geyser]

Check other channels ? O.o

[plain void]

Its like this guy just figured out what ai art is

#🥩┊food

[little mica]

lol it’s a monster from ben10

[nova rune]

Hey guys I m a beginner what familiar should I focus on

[fringe fern]

None of them. Work on getting hoarder and hell drider for jewels and t4.

[hexed imp]

Work on aquaris first to get those STA so you can complete hero stages

[nova rune]

Thanks

[hexed imp]

<@&917948198297944104> ban him please

[grave thicket]

?ban @supple ginkgo sole purpose of joining to advertise

[keen breach]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1272968283561263195.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[clear basin]

inviting_starfish_20060 was banned. | sole purpose of joining to advertise

[grave thicket]

Back to pokemon blaze black

[hexed imp]

[grave thicket]

[random radish]

You are snitching

[reef jay]

Do you not have to have everything up to level 25 to use a familiar? I am having a hard time just leveling 1 up to get it with my characters. I have only been playing the game for 90 days and the familiar's are something I still do not understand fully.

[warm wraith]

No. You have to have a level 60 hero though to max out the familiar.

[reef jay]

Thank you for clarify that for me!

[warm wraith]

Have fun, best practice to use minimal energy is to just keep hitting x1. At least until you get to the max hits based on your research level.

[reef jay]

I have only been playing the game for 94 days and I am level 58. Almost 59. I have 32 characters. I'm in an AMAZING Guild (although, I speak English and their primary is Spanish.) It is a little hard for me to keep up during events but hey I'm learning right?

[hexed imp]

Tell them to speak English 🗣️🗣️

[random radish]

Tell them to spend money

[potent pike]

Tell them stop playing and touch grass

[simple tangle]

Grinding specific familiar shards feels so expensive. Only at 72/80 weevil and don’t have a single familiar as elder. Im 350m might 😦

[austere wigeon]

Hey I got a 1A familiar from pact but now I'm only getting those stone things for a long time from those pacts... How to get new familiars?

[potent pike]

Get those stones of a specific amount and then upgrade the familiar to adult --> elder

It takes a lot of them sometimes and there drop rates are random

It takes time

I would recommend getting and upgrading Aquarius first

I think he is in pact 2B

[vestal rose]

Any suggestions on what p4's to get elder first? Doing the chestface first for jewels and trove expansion but after he's done I am unsure who to do

[solid sun]

Depends if you need them for growing or war

[vestal rose]

Growing, gryphon isn’t even near max yet so he’s going to get all my rare orbs until that’s done

[solid sun]

Then Id say trickstar and gemming gremlin

[vestal rose]

That's p3 buddy

Both are maxed on my account

[solid sun]

Yea haha forgot about that

For pact 4 I think drider is best but it takes ages to level him up

[valid ferry]

Hello

[random radish]

Hoarder will get you jewels

[jaunty anchor]

Are there any recommendations for 884, I only have 4 slot familiars?

[vestal rose]

The one I mention I'm doing and asking what I should do after?

[cosmic harness]

Eevil aquaris and pyris good for solo trap ?

[turbid apex]

Anyone able to explain in a SIMPLE way how the P5 600% attack works? My Infantry blast stats are 700%, so do I get 600% x 700% vs 1 enemy squad? Does that mean one of my squads has 4200% stats vs 1 enemy squad? I'm confused 😕

[random radish]

No

[turbid apex]

Too simple 😆🤣
How does it work then

[random radish]

600*700 is 420000

It deals 600% of your ark so if your atk is 100% it will deal 600%

Basically you said it right but miss calculated it

[swift anvil]

That aint wrong but 600%700% is 4200%. 100% is basicly 1 so you would need to calculate 67=42 which is similar to 4200%

[random radish]

600% times 700% is 420000%

what you say is 700%'s 600%

[swift anvil]

Nope thats not how percentages work, just look it up

[random radish]

you saying 700%'s 600% which is 4200

but he wrote 600% x 700% which is 420000%

[turbid apex]

Im not gonna debate the math. But the good news is you both basically agree with my principle. Which explains why the P5s make such a huge difference for Blast attacks. Because then it's going to make one of the squads super strong vs one of the enemies largest squads. Super glad I finished my Bon, got a bit to do on my Blackwing and Garg though 😩

[knotty crater]

What's familiars should I work on a rally trap?

[fringe fern]

Mecha Trojan

[jaunty anchor]

Is that true lol?

[solid sun]

Yes

[jaunty anchor]

🥲

[slim hull]

1889474824
Yes

[grave thicket]

yes what?

[native lion]

Yes, he is a human and a new f2p player who wants gems from anyone 🙂

[random radish]

yes i'M alcoholic , yes i want free stuff , yes we want 3 11ks , yes we love igg

yes for everthing

[tribal hazel]

100%

[swift anvil]

Is there any pact 5 familiar which is better than the other pact 5s or doesnt it matter which one I focus on? Except them being for different troop types of course

[swift anvil]

Or other question in combination with that, which troop type can I get the best blast stats for as low spender?

[static fulcrum]

Cav.

[winter mauve]

anyone knows how many might will increase after upgrading a p4 from hatchling stage to adult stage ?

[slim hull]

1889474824
Cav

[grave thicket]

what is this for?

[bold copper]

What should be the 3rd fam for wall for f2p , I am currently using aquras, evil weevil . Should I max pyris's army talent or use any other fam

[buoyant horizon]

I recommend those

[tribal hazel]

I don't think the 4th one is good

[tribal hazel]

Depends on your front.

These are some good ones for a range front @bold copper

[buoyant horizon]

its better to have familiars activates at start of the battle, you don't have to lose anything to reduce your enemy power.

Snowbeast suggestion for a f2p player I don't stand with it.

[tribal hazel]

Sure but if theybonlyngive 15% ark it's not really worth a slot

[tribal hazel]

It's F2p. Just hard to get

[buoyant horizon]

I agree for Drown Out, As I am using it right now

[buoyant horizon]

then don't give it as suggestion to a f2p player.

[buoyant horizon]

this account is f2p too, that's why i gave those suggestions

[tribal hazel]

But it's f2p. If he wants to do it long term snowbeast is the single best familiar he can have

[tribal hazel]

What does the last one tiv

F2p means you can't get the P5. The rest are doable

You don't need all 3 shield fans just 1

[buoyant horizon]

reduce enemy cav hp by6 40 at start of battle

[tribal hazel]

Inf front?

Not bad but I think shaman blessings is better

Or another 60/60 fans. Why have two -40hp on wall. Just use the one that counter you

[buoyant horizon]

You're right, But the comp i got i prefer to have this one instead, I never know what enemy is attacking with, that's why got a mix of counters

[tribal hazel]

Waste of a slot man

[buoyant horizon]

Maybe for you not me 😂

[hexed imp]

Which familiar do you have currently?
How's your troop comp?

[bold copper]

I have 25m . 2.5 each t4 & 6 each t2s. I use rng wedge when I go offline . I have aquarus, evil weevil maxed army talent & those each troop type fams maxed as well which gives 100% atk bonus on 10% loss and gryphon maxed but they all don't work on wall. We have to lose alot before they activate

[hexed imp]

So here are your options
You can get= -40% enemy inf, cav range hp familiar. 3 slots

You can get 60% atk hp increase inf cav range familiar, 3 slot again

If you can get slot 4 then
Range shield familiar, -40% enemy inf cav range hp

[bold copper]

Okay thx for the suggestion. I am close getting slot 4 🙂

[hexed imp]

[dawn lark]

On the Kiss of Death familiar it’s says it kills troops in the barracks. Does any go to infirms or sanctuary?

[hexed imp]

It kills them, not injure them

[cosmic harness]

Good fams for rally trap ? Ill show fams I'm working on

Saved some orbs to replace rng stacker

From what I hear inf wedge takes less reds than range phal so I'm gonna make hoarder? Not sure anyone got any suggestions?

[balmy oracle]

First of all you should not use fams who are active with some troops killed on walls if you're a rally trap

Those should be used if you got less troops and good gear, since they'll be active always if you're rallied.

[random radish]

Evil weevil, aquarius, 60 atk hp shield , 600 p5 , jade , drider

Any of the pact 1 that gives hp or atk buff or debuff

[fathom void]

Does anyone have a list of familiars and hero types lineups for the most common troop comps like 424 659 055 208 etc?

[magic remnant]

Where would i find familiars gears?

[long thorn]

Guys which is best for 30m rally trap?
Shield familiar or 600% atk familiar?

[wheat pivot]

-600% atk familiar

[wheat pivot]

👍

[hexed imp]

👍

[subtle crest]

Which lvl 5 familiar is better? 7% shield or 600% atk? For cavalry of course

Oh I just saw, someone else asked the same question above lol

[hexed imp]

@queen mist

[ocean dagger]

Please can someone advise me on which familiars to focus on for my defense? I'm not a rally leader so I don't attack often, I mainly defend so... Please tag me if you can answer

[night harbor]

Is it more worth it to wait and max out drider or max 2 pack 4s (hoarder and snow beast)

[buoyant horizon]

no, make hoarder first

[cosmic harness]

are you and @hexed imp a thing, you have matching profiles

[kindred flint]

Hehe

[wheat pivot]

Ooh interesting

[civic cobalt]

[undone scaffold]

😆

[opaque kiln]

Isn't this familiar attack skill quite overpowered?
30 mins. Cooldown when maxed and up to 50, 000 highest tier troops will be killed instantly.
Imagine the training time for at least 6k T4 troops.

[leaden geyser]

It is but it requires chaos cores which ain't that cheap.

Mostly almost not many bothers with it. And if at all, occasionally sending one or two. No one can do it regularly.

[balmy oracle]

If someone tries to sledge you by pyris send a big surprise

[pearl stump]

maxing it is no joke(personal experience) and 2nd using it is no joke

i only used it thrice and all for killing when i didnt have a good choice

[pearl stump]

and its not so effective since after a period of time everyone has their hell rider which keep giving them t4

[random radish]

It kills T5

Hitting prince with it is funny

[random radish]

You get 100/ month + from hell events it's funny to just send it until they have ward up lol

[pearl stump]

than i killed some 70k t5

[leaden geyser]

Would be like what 4~5 per 3 weeks? Might as well spend cores on something useful.

And 100 one ain't getting cheap. It costs Rss. and lunite.

[random radish]

No need for lunite

[hushed geyser]

just curious.. is the best way of getting p5 fams is through pack? or just grind fams on tycoon?

[solid sun]

I think its same value but in tycoon you get gems and materials and a lot of other stuff too

And the fam packs scale really bad

[hushed geyser]

i see. thanks for response tho ^_^

just trying to figure out good way to get p5 fams. I already got bon through tycoon, mostly due to halo grind lol.. right now, I'm just looking into getting blackwing atm

[gleaming geyser]

Hello everyone

Anyone here ?

[fringe fern]

No

[timid lion]

Boo

[grave thicket]

AAHHH

[craggy field]

Hehe

[opaque kiln]

do troops killed by blackwing auto-kill will be saved by sanctuary?

[cosmic harness]

🤔

[warm wraith]

Auto-permanent death.

[fringe fern]

Nope they dead dead

[leaden geyser]

I think if pvp then what goes over infirms is saved by sanctuary (as per normal sanctuary rules). I might be wrong though.

[hexed imp]

You're right
When my trap got Blackwinged
500k troops died rest were placed in sanctuary

[deft ember]

So bw is useless on big castle comp

[jolly sun]

it's only useful if some bully keeps sending t4/t5 garrisons

[dreamy bone]

Hey everyone. I have a quick question. Can anyone tell me what are the best fam lineup's for different attacking comps? Like 866 and 659 in particular? Thank you for your advice in advance 😁

[wise sinew]

What pact 5 familiar is a first to get?

[night harbor]

Bunny

[wise sinew]

I have blackwing almost ready... How bad is that?

[tribal hazel]

Why would black wing be bad

[random radish]

Or it's a rein trap

[warm wraith]

No. It is useful if you have the power to hit hard.

[deft ember]

It's still useless

Who the hell uses bw on castle lol, either he's dum

[swift anvil]

which are the best fams for my wall? I was planning to slowly get p5s, but I guess they arent that good on my wall since my troops need to for them to do something first? Was planning aquirus and hell bee, but I dont know which one should be my 3rd

[solid sun]

You can take the 600% ones on your wall but unless you are a high spender its not really worth it in my opinion

[swift anvil]

then what is the better option in your opinion?

Im definetly not a high spender

[solid sun]

I am not an expert but id say aquiris one from pact 2a I think and third I think you can also take shield fam or 60% atck/hp stackers

Dont know the name from the pact 2a fam but it gives 15% of some army stat

[swift anvil]

yes I will go for aquirus and hell be (2a) but I dont know about my 3 one

Im not sure if the shild ones are really that good

and the stacke arent good for defense right?

[solid sun]

There are 2 types of stackers. Noceros and goblin are the cav ones of the different types one gives 60% hp and attack one time so they arent really stackers

[swift anvil]

none

[warm wraith]

Hahaha then don't use it.

[distant bison]

Why dose it talk long to get an elder familiar?

[civic cobalt]

yes?

thats my name xd

[oak echo]

Trickstar,Gemming gremlin,Goblin,evil weevil,Harpy and aquarius are best for f2p

[plain void]

Does anyone know how hearty feast and aquiris work? Does the army hp reduction from aquiris act like army leadership debuffs . So for example, if someone had let’s say 600%army hp would it take away 15% and make it 585% or would it take away 90% to make it 510% army hp

[leaden geyser]

600 - 15 = 585

[plain void]

so it doesn't work like the army leadership debuffs?

[random radish]

no

[calm adder]

Which familiars should i focus on upgrading for wars?

As an f2p

[kind tiger]

Is there any familiar that kills the troops in infirmary??

[sacred pebble]

Well I m getting 2b for now .-.

[zenith scarab]

Which familiars are best for f2p

[sterile ginkgo]

How do i put familiar's on my wall?

[lament nexus]

Is jade a good familiar for wall for defending? Already have 3x 600% plus shield fam. 40m comp so Jade triggers kinda late for 9% damage reduction (even if eating a counter) as the battle is almost over at that point.

[ionic lion]

buyz

hell drider or aquaris?

[random radish]

Depends how big is your comp

[neat quartz]

i want seige fam

[plain void]

Jade is basically a better version of a shield fam

[deft ember]

Yes

Not actually

Shield will be more btr with bigger front

[rancid thistle]

Finnaly

[fringe flume]

Hey after completion of gryphon on which familiar should i put yellow orb (not 5) and im not rally trap

[rancid thistle]

if u f2p then go for shield or hell drider (but that is p5)

[fair lion]

What's the best familiar for free to play

[astral lagoon]

Who's the best healer to hunt for?

I got 2 really good ones today. I really like them. One is a pink female knight and the other is a female she freezes the enemies in place with a song or somthing

[astral lagoon]

Are these good? Also, I need a good healer??

[astral lagoon]

Also just got the doll girl. Idk how to build a t3am/who to use and who not to :/ someone help me out pls?

[zenith scarab]

Are u building a team for hero stages?

[static fulcrum]

[opaque solar]

Is it worth to put 2 shield familiar, inf and rng on wall for mixed rally

[pulsar tusk]

why would you need to be inf front against a mix rally ?

[opaque solar]

aren’t inf front better against inf heavy mix rally?

[steep ivy]

hallo

[pulsar tusk]

no

I mean it's better if you wanna burn but that's all

[steep ivy]

hallo

send the rideem code

[tall radish]

What do you use against a heavy inf mix?

[pulsar tusk]

range phal wall down

and cav front if it's a 1406

but range phal is fine too

[tall radish]

Also against 14 3 3?

[pulsar tusk]

yep because I dont have the cav shield yet

[tall radish]

Fair enough

[fringe flume]

Hey is tycoon better way to get p5 familiar?

[leaden geyser]

Kind of

[fringe flume]

Bunny and other but i think to get bunny first as it help guild mates

[plain void]

Yeah

[lone gate]

How can I improve my mix 424 usually in range phal

[leaden geyser]

May be just me but I have liked my Range to be much lower than Inf and Cav for Wonder fights ;))

Idk what other grade gear you have but I was using Frostwing Sword and am using Beast helm for my 424 variants.

Only using 2 Range Gold Jewels in my set up; rest are Inf Cav x 8 and other hybrid InF Cav Types (like DA or Garg., Terror etc.) - Won't suggest to change it though till you have all Gold Jewels in mix set first.

Familiars may be lose 1 of the range ones replace idk may be with Cav stacker or smth.

But I see that you lack red orbs too so there's much work to do b4 you carry out ^^ changes.

[solid sun]

I would also suggest to get a range shield fam. Shield fams are really good and pact 4 is must get anyways

[fringe flume]

Does anyone know how much might does increase in lvl9 gryphon army talent to lvl10

[fleet mica]

Anyone know how does hero stun p4 works I am thinking about maxing it but I want to know how it works and merits and demerits

[plain void]

Well, I might be mistaken, but as far as I know every troop type has 4 squads in battle, you can see them in the army formations, like wedges etc,

and what it does I THINK is to make one of them immobile, probably from the largest troop type, like lets say its a 433 it should petrify one of the 4 inf squads

[fleet mica]

I am talking about stun hero monster not about army petrify

🙈🙈

[plain void]

Ohhh lmao

Ignore my crazy ass then

All I know about it is that I heard its not that good so yeah

[leaden wolf]

level 6 monster, with a small chance can directly capture the opposing lord and escape unscathed。😂

[reef dove]

It had been a journey for me :), just a "bit" more haha

[hollow zealot]

Any idea of which is the best of this to upgrade first and why?

[lilac plover]

depends on ur situation

[crisp wraith]

..

[lilac plover]

If you are Range Wedge for defense maybe Snowbeast etc etc.

So yeah what u trying to achieve "depends on ur situation"

[hollow zealot]

I actually I upgraded everything only this three are left so I’m confused of Which one to start upgrading with. however, I’m not looking for a specific thing yet. I’m just working on upgrading.

[analog fern]

Engineer is best familiar for beginner's like me or f2p ...

Igg id : 1981972086

[split sail]

How can i get these monster's iam new in the game

[solid sun]

Snow beast is best in my opinion except you lead in wonders and often use 659 you should go for saber

[plain void]

Which ngl you should always be blind lol

[lilac plover]

[mild salmon]

Hi

[plain void]

Hey

[woven helm]

Which lvl5 familiar is best for all army types to unlock first 🤔

[dark ruin]

Jade wyrm

[sacred gust]

What familiar to farm first as a f2p begginer

[plain void]

Rush pact 3/4

Anything else is not that big of a priority

[sonic wave]

griffin

[plain void]

Not really lol

Goblin, gem goblin and trickstar are all better at pact 3

[solid sun]

And as long as you dont have pact 3 or 4 you can go for aquiris

[tall radish]

And evil weevil imo

[solid sun]

Yea good one to get more ressources

[tall radish]

Not for resources lol

For its battle skill

[random radish]

Aquarius

2 most important ones

After those get pact 3

[solid sun]

Its good for both

[pallid topaz]

Should i still go for aquiris and weevil when im close to unlocking pact 3?

[plain void]

Unlock pact 3 and focus on the p3 familiars

[pallid topaz]

Okay thank you

[pliant heron]

guys i have angel and darkwing as familiars it's good or nah?

[plain void]

All stacking fams +gryphon are important

Gryphon is quite universal too so you can use it in mixed , blasts and defending rallies so I think it’s a better option. But don’t get me wrong a blast must have a stacking fam but stacking fams aren’t as good outside of blasts

[plain void]

Yeah but still they also offer better outside combat value

[quaint merlin]

Wow

[pallid topaz]

Whats the best war familiars for p3 and below

[pallid topaz]

For mix btw

[plain void]

Defense right?

[pallid topaz]

Yes

[pallid topaz]

Well what about for rallies and wonders

[plain void]

P5 lol

[plain void]

Can you get a familiars army talent to level 10 without it being level 60? I’m 30 off having enough to max out aquiris but I’m not sure if I’ll be able to do it anyway because I’m only player level 58

[solid sun]

Dont think so

[plain void]

🫶

[mild salmon]

Hiiii boys

[thick silo]

As A trap, what familiar should I put? im in semi restricted KD, I didnt unlock most of my familiar talent but if there is some I need to put, let me know?

[edgy dome]

Depends how many troops you got

[open zinc]

As said by Sam, it depends on a few factors. From what you’ve mentioned in the other chat. It would appear that you take rallies out of gear at times. Do you allow them to counter in order to draw more rallies? If so, which front do you use?
I personally still use weevil on my wall till today. Gryphon is usually not a good choice unless you’re working with a compact comp.

As far as the budget familiars, the p3 hp/att fams are decent for frontlines if you take counters, the Hp fams are also decent for frontlines, evil weevil / aquiris, 15% att fams, Hp debuff fams are okay, but not the best.

Best overall fams will obviously be P5 fams, I highly recommend Jade Wyrm for additional counter stats and wall. Bon/BW/Garg are behind Jade. Shield familiars are best utilized if you’re taking counters to draw more rallies, use them for your frontline.

[edgy dome]

Great explanation

[random radish]

Use the ones that will be used right when the battle starts or if you will have pact 5 use the 600% ones on the wall

[thick silo]

Well might take me couple of years to get P5 since im f2p

[unique fable]

[thick silo]

So Aquiris, Snow beast?

what should be the other fams?

[unique fable]

From this roster I'd use aquiris, gnome, terraspike, magus

Then swap out magus for yeti after you get it to 10,, and then swap out gnome for snow beast when you get that instead

[thick silo]

Is Mega Maggot a good choice?

[unique fable]

Using the ones that trigger when a certain amount of troops die (especially the ones that want a percentage of your entire army to die like gryphon, maggot, or drider) are generally not good since I assume you pack a good amount of troops inside

[thick silo]

So specially those trickstar and Gryphon are bad specially if we have like over 20M troops right?

[unique fable]

Shield fams are just there since
a) they only wait for a percentage of one type of troops to die, not from the entire army
b) if you do get hard countered, then after 12% gets killed, most likely they won't be able to smash through the remaining 7%

[queen mist]

Shield familliars strong

[unique fable]

Gryphon is honestly still not bad until you hit around 30m if you have nothing else better

Trickstar and stackers are not that good since they just boost attack.. so imagine a scenario when you're ranged front and the enemy sends inf.. Yes you get trickstar stacks, but the increased damage don't do anything on a counter anyway

[queen mist]

Honestly wouldn’t bother doing gryphon or stackers if you plan on replacing them , best to just save the orbs

Can be done afterwards

[unique fable]

Well tough luck he has them maxed

[thick silo]

So now gotta save orbs for Snow Beast and Evil Weavil right?

[unique fable]

Pretty much

[thick silo]

I was a lead before when theres no Chalice event lol

[unique fable]

Ahhh, fair

[thick silo]

My fams are fucked up after that event haha

[unique fable]

I rushed stackers too since I go to new kingdoms and smack people there

[thick silo]

So once i get the fams I need, the line up will be:
Evil Weevil, Snow Beast, Aquiris, Terraspike?

[queen mist]

[random radish]

depends on troop count

[queen mist]

Not really

They are always good

[random radish]

120m troops will have no impact on shield LOL

[queen mist]

Let you take full counters no problem

[random radish]

Will take counter with 4m loss

[queen mist]

A shield is still better in place than aquiris or weevil in that scenario in the long run

[random radish]

Nah

[queen mist]

Yes

[random radish]

Aquarius and evil is best

[queen mist]

For you, because thats all you have

[unique fable]

[random radish]

???

[queen mist]

No one cares if weevil or aquiris is on the wall, but if you see a shield familliar you know making it zero is going to be a bigger pain in the ass

[random radish]

???

[thick silo]

So once i get the fams I need, the line up will be:
Evil Weevil, Snow Beast, Aquiris, Terraspike

rightttt?

[queen mist]

Ignore fox, listen to me and pk

[random radish]

Wtf

Bro Chichi wtf

[unique fable]

Pretty much yes

[random radish]

How big will your comp be ?

[queen mist]

If you can slowly save for one pact 5 that would be a good goal

[thick silo]

6m each t2, 2M each t4

[queen mist]

So a shield is good

[unique fable]

Especially if it's Jade, don't even need it on the wall to be effective

[queen mist]

[thick silo]

Im broke af since I get rallied everytime…got Zeroed last time I fell asleep during kvk lol

[random radish]

You won't take counters with that

[queen mist]

Can with a shield

Easily

[random radish]

He can't front will be dead in 1 hit

[unique fable]

Let's not jump to conclusions without knowing his stats and opponents now

[thick silo]

i have mix 460-480

[random radish]

You won't take a mid tier lead like that

[queen mist]

My other account, 500-600 mix, took cavalry rally in infantry wedge from a decent medium tier lead, maybe 12-1300, took 5 million losses

[random radish]

When you get comp will be around 550% you need more T4 to take a mix

[queen mist]

Has a similar troop count

[thick silo]

well people usually do 208 or 866 when they rally me

[random radish]

Ppl will set 1505 ,

[queen mist]

So a shield is still good for you

[random radish]

If they want to do DMG they will blast the shit out of you lol

You won't be able to get hit by these accounts

[thick silo]

for example, a lead like this :
they do like 866 or 208 and 659

[random radish]

He will burn with 1 mix

[random radish]

That's a noodle

[queen mist]

So is K9

[unique fable]

Hmm,, then you'd definitely be able to take

[queen mist]

Plus k9 is a dumbass

[random radish]

11pc mythic champ lol

[queen mist]

Yeah and?

[random radish]

For mix rallies no need to think lol

[queen mist]

Hardly knows how to set

[thick silo]

just imagine the main gear like

[unique fable]

If that's the upper tier in his kingdom, then it's good for the guy

[random radish]

Now that is a lead

[queen mist]

Also what is this mix

[thick silo]

idk lol, thats my guild do when they rally most of the time 866

[random radish]

He knew how to set during wow

[queen mist]

Probably because skip told him how

[unique fable]

Cane for 974

[random radish]

866 is really basic

Scratching the surface

[thick silo]

How to counter then with Vihi the lead

[queen mist]

K9 couldn’t understand why he didn’t have anyone joining him for a chalice raid when he sent a mail 36 minutes before he went

[random radish]

Inf phal or rng phal with 3m each T4 600 ISH mix will help you take it easily

[unique fable]

Inf wedge

[queen mist]

Infantry wedge best choice

Most likely going to infantry phalanx with 866 in castle rallies so infantry wedge is best choice

[unique fable]

Inf wedge/r phal is usually standard in taking mix

[random radish]

Depends if he has wall up or not

[thick silo]

No range wedge?

[queen mist]

No

[random radish]

RNG wedge worse

[queen mist]

Archer wedge sucks ass

Almost as bad as cavalry phalanx

[unique fable]

Nahh, when taking mix, rng wedge is bad

[random radish]

That's funny against 208

[thick silo]

usually I take rally when there is max, I have wall around 800K lol then I use Range Phal….If wall down then Range Wedge

[random radish]

Wow

[queen mist]

Never archer wedge for mix

Literally 0 situations

[random radish]

Cav blast

[queen mist]

Archer phalanx

[unique fable]

.

[thick silo]

kkkkkk

[queen mist]

Who uses fucking archer wedge against cavalry blast

[unique fable]

Literally said mix the message before

[thick silo]

so range wedge is terrible idea then when they send me a mix

[unique fable]

Sleeping ppl probably, but who uses cav blast on sleeping people in r wedge

[queen mist]

But im talking online countering

Debuff yourself on purpose

[unique fable]

Fair

[queen mist]

Put those stupid slow infantry all the way at the backline to watch half the fight

[unique fable]

[random radish]

Bro just get good gear first

[unique fable]

Yepp

[random radish]

If he wants to be countered + take another + a rescue he needs more troops or better gear

2m T4 won't do anything

[queen mist]

Depends on equipment, for me 2 million is enough

[random radish]

450 mix .....

My alt has more lol

[queen mist]

Oh he needs a lot more then

[random radish]

He needs at least 3m

But I would do close to 4m

[queen mist]

3 is enough just needs a little extra tier 2

[thick silo]

mehhh i dont have much speedups lol

but thanks for the tips

[queen mist]

I would personally focus on a strong infantry front and working around defending in infantry wedge

Infantry wedge very strong

In my humble opinion much better than archer wedge

Lots of infantry health, lots of archer attack

[unique fable]

Inf wedge best formation

Especially for f2p or low spenders that Don't have elder jade wyrm

Since you only get inf and range counter boosts from it.. no cav counters means an inf blast on you would take a bit longer to kill compared to a cav blast

[cyan mountain]

Hey guys

Just unlocked familiars

I have a few questions:
What should be my pact priority.
Which familiars are the best (for f2p at least)
Which pacts are the best overall.

[random radish]

so first you should max out the evil weevil and aquarius these 2 are really good , after that you should get the pact 3 fams mainly trickstar, goblin,gemming gremlin, gryphon from pact4 drider is good to have because it will give you troops but don't do it's battle skill since it's really bad also snow beast, the tiger idk the name , and treasure hoarder is great i would max treasure hoarder first for extra jewels and max out snow beast's army talent, the best pacts are p5 which is really hard to get f2p you need to get lucky in tycoon or buy from bargain store or lucky in gf

[graceful nest]

What are the best wall familiar f2p and p2p? I know everyone will always say the p5 but until I unlock or max those out I want to keep the strongest ones on.

Same with the heroes

[teal aspen]

if i garrison/reinforce an empty castle, and that castle got attacked by pyris. will my troops die?

[hexed imp]

Nope

[vital geyser]

@jolly sun which p5 familiar are the mose worth getting to max ? I have bunny and frostwing rn going for bee next . Which else are worth for a semi lead acc ? For offence and defence

[jolly sun]

Well the 3 you have are the ones better for hitting stuff and wonders, for defence you want garg/bw/bon in no particular order so just pick whichever ones would help your highest stat blast

[cyan mountain]

Hey guys

oops wrong channel

[vital geyser]

What about jade ?

[jolly sun]

it's used everywhere so if it's an option go for it

[sturdy oyster]

Help please , I don't have a scooby what to do with familiars been getting pacts ,training fans but don't have any fams to help out my squads what is the quickest and best (for now we'll go with the quickest) way to get my fams grafting with my troops thanks a bunch EASY.........

[random radish]

Get evil weevil and aquaris and put those onto the wall , you can unlock their army talent by getting them to elder stage and upgrading them with orbs ( yellow or red depends on the tier of them )

[wheat spindle]

My current familiar skills, looking to unlock one in pact 4, wondering what to get, I’m f2p so won’t be maxing it for a while jus unlocking and upgrading as far as I can

[random radish]

Inf shield or ring shield

[wheat spindle]

Ty

[vestal rose]

Max bon, garg or jade war talent first?

[austere flare]

I just unlocked familiars

What’s the ideal building setup?

[vestal rose]

1 gym, 1 spire, rest fountains (the building that produces anima and gives merging speed)

[gusty nest]

I recommend 2 spire, 2 fountain and the rest gym

That's what helped me

[vestal rose]

1 spire 1 gym rest fountains

[gusty nest]

[solid sun]

I choose 2 or 3 gyms because training fams takes way more time than getting the runes and there is also a mechanism that the more heroes you use to train on fam the less XP the heroes give

[carmine edge]

are pact 4 fams worth the might? research from p3->p4 + pact 4 fams

[pale frost]

1)Gryphon, Trickster, magus and Hell drider
2)Gryphon, Trickster, magus and snow beast
3)Gryphon, Trickster, snow beast and Hell drider

Please give me suggestions for my familiar lineup and is hell drider any good and worth upgrading it's attack skill?

[desert shale]

I am f2p and ready to build rally trap.
Which familiars should i use in my cav front rally trap.
My stats are 450% mix

[proven sapphire]

cav front rally trap is... not ideal...

struggles vs both range and cav blasts

if you want to trap as f2p you need to be in range or infantry wedge

[random radish]

With 450 mix you not taking anything

[desert shale]

How much at least

[random radish]

Depends on who you want to cap

But with 650+ you should take everyone decent

• counters and good fams

[desert shale]

My cav is better in blast.560
Other are just too low

[random radish]

I can already tell that you won't use cav gear

[desert shale]

I don't want to take full maxed account.just normal rally lead most of guild has

[random radish]

Well most of the guilds have dudes with good stats

Like this

You could cap this dude with 550 mix and a big comp like 3.5m each T4 and 8m T2 but you would still take good amount of losses

[desert shale]

I have cav better so should go for range front?

[desert shale]

So it means i should quit rally traping

[random radish]

If you don't counter with low stats you will be wiped

[desert shale]

So it means i should quit rally traping

Thanks for help

[solid sun]

You dont need to quit rally trapping. You just arent able to cap big rally leads. And I would also recommend to go for range front trao

[desert shale]

Can i share ss of my gears here?i am very noob and everything messed up

[solid sun]

Yea you can

[desert shale]

Help me choose my set

[solid sun]

Your gear seems to be fine. I would just recommend to switch your mitts in for the Codex and I wouldnt go for 2 cups if you are f2p. Just Focus on one and use a blight ring instead of the other one

[random radish]

What you mean fine ?

[fierce heart]

he has too low equipement

Before trapping you need some better stats

at least a purp/gold stuff in mixt and decent artefacts

It also depends on your comp

[desert shale]

I can upgrade them,missing common materials.need to join hunt buses i think

[desert shale]

I have materials to upgrade artifacts but i only use them for events.not upgrading them

[fierce heart]

that's nice

Try to focus on range and infantry HP/ATK

Do you have familiars ?

[desert shale]

You suggest range front?

[desert shale]

Too noob.tell me and i will upgrade.

I have trickster,evil weevil maxed currently..others are gryphon and noceros maxed for dn rallies

[fierce heart]

mmh it has been said but range or infantry wedge

Never use cav phalanx

[fierce heart]

How many slots do you have ?

[desert shale]

3

[fierce heart]

Aquiris

Trickster of course if you play range in you front

Aquiris Trickster and evil weevil are good

Can u show me what kind of RL you'd like to trap ?

[desert shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/705342131782287450/1382604166958022706/Screenshot_2025-06-10-18-49-42-228_com.igg.lordsmobile.huawei.jpg?ex=684bc1f8&is=684a7078&hm=c62b7fafa9ef3927426f927acd02e68458507dcde814f9e9467ced73912b3aec&

[fierce heart]

oh

you're not ready to trap

You need a big comp

good familiars and good gear

Aquiris + evil weevil + trickster is a good line up for familiars

Now you can aim at 500% stats

[desert shale]

I will wait.no problem
Just give me directions

[fierce heart]

Mh, in jagear events takes medals

Get chronicler

[desert shale]

Oops.i took don already

[fierce heart]

Looks like a good comp to aim at

[fierce heart]

oh, you will never use it as a trap

If you can next time get chronicler

[desert shale]

Its for collseum

[fierce heart]

do you have a good troop composition right now ?

[desert shale]

Not i did not started to build troops.i am getting directions right now.i can train 36m t2 right now

[fierce heart]

okay

So :

• Aquiris + evil weevil + trickstar
• 3m each t4 and 12m each t2 (1/4 is a good ratio to keep in mind, you can go a bit more t4 as a trap but you will lose more t4)
• purp/gold mixt with jewels purp and gold
• 500-600% stats

before building your comp go for 1/2 barracks and manors 25, you need a good training speed

I'm not the best in traps, but keep in mind that a RL can send 500k troops in solo

And you need to cap his lead

[desert shale]

Artifacts i need to focus are with range atk and inf hp?

[fierce heart]

it's better to focus on army atk and HP.
If you go with trickstar and range frontline prioritize army atk because is you get more hp on range you will have less dead and trickstar bonus will come later

between ATK and HP it all depends on your familiars strategy

But yes of cours it's better when everything is high

[desert shale]

Ok i will start shaping my account

[fierce heart]

it's the best you can do right now

Save training accels too

[desert shale]

Thanks for your time and information

[fierce heart]

your welcome, enjoy your game ^^

[stark jungle]

How do you use familiars

[strange mountain]

Check out #📖┊community-guides

[unique fable]

what fam is better to keep for blasts, Jade or shield?

[narrow pollen]

Both if you 5slots

[leaden geyser]

Jade replaces Gryphon in a blast.

[unique fable]

I have 4

[potent crown]

Blasts go with stackers, shield and you could play around hell drider or jade

You could add p5 stackers if unlocked also

[vestal rose]

P4 stackers?

What about the blast p5?

[potent crown]

p5 lol 😆

[vestal rose]

Basically
P3 stacker - p4 shield - jade - p5 600% - p5 150%*5

[potent crown]

What if no p5

[vestal rose]

P3 stacker - p4 shield - hell dridder - p3 60/60 - gryphon ig?

[potent crown]

[karmic vapor]

At what level p5 is it worth to use over gryphon and 60/60?

[plain void]

Familars on wall to defend rally

[fringe flume]

Which familiar army talent should i do
Bon appeti or huey hops?

[weary gale]

Kaktus

[tidal grove]

mmmm

[untold fossil]

I have 3 fam spots open. Which 2 should I have on the wall besides Evil?

[jaunty anchor]

Guys

Is that familiar works for mix or blast attack?

[night harbor]

Both

[jaunty anchor]

Worth it to open?

Or should open another familiar like blackwing or bon

[night harbor]

I went Drider first then made the blasts p5s . Drider is good in blasts and mix so I think it makes sense to open him first.

[jaunty anchor]

ok thanks

[lapis viper]

Which fams for front wall?

For a solo trap ,range front

[turbid field]

Fams that boost rng hp, reduce enemy infantry hp

If u a big boy trap and don't mind the extra might, then just go for range shield

[strange mountain]

HP Stacking. Debuff.

[rustic rune]

Hello Guys

Is anyone Looking for Guild after GF

[turbid field]

is trickstar really that good ? for rng front trap

better than magus?

[strange mountain]

To be fair. Probs not. I’d have these.

[desert shale]

How much yellow orbs to max shield fam from lvl 1?

[potent crown]

Chart above for orbs

[desert shale]

Thanks

[lilac plover]

How many orbs to max from lv1? There is a simple trick

If it takes 160 to unlock that means its 1600 to max (just unlock amount x10)

[desert shale]

Oh that's easy way

Thanks

[potent crown]

[desert shale]

Which p5 is better for rally traps.one with 600% or 150 per seconds

[lilac plover]

600

[desert shale]

So was in rights direction.but orb will take eternity

[lilac plover]

4% (600) vs 8% (150) which you think better?

u need to lose more troops for the 150s to even pop up

[desert shale]

Off course 600%

[lilac plover]

Jade is even better if you want

lose 4% -9% reduced damg

[desert shale]

If igg want.i am f2p

[lilac plover]

Guild Fest has jade

by luck

[potent crown]

Jade is real hard to get

[desert shale]

76 blackwing from just recent jaegar event

This shop is worse

[potent crown]

That's not that bad tbh

[lilac plover]

Lemme give you

[desert shale]

Pacts or attacks

[potent crown]

Yh rub it on my face

[lilac plover]

extra pacts

[desert shale]

Can't give jade

[lilac plover]

There are 150s in bargain right now

Chest of Pacts I

how i got my 150s

[desert shale]

Why to collect p5s if i don't have orbs.one is enough for f2p

[lilac plover]

Hmm I would say Orbs are more accessible now a day but ofc slow process

[potent crown]

Passively collect the p5 but start with what you want first

[desert shale]

Bought only orbs from pinball

[lilac plover]

Not manes?

Last pinball IGG give away 3 gold manes

[desert shale]

Balckwing for range front

[lilac plover]

F2P can be at gold champ boots

[potent crown]

Blue on mine

[desert shale]

No champs

[lilac plover]

Champ boots is a good investment for your mix

[desert shale]

My mix already not balanced

[lilac plover]

Well your mix will be Inf Range heavy

[potent crown]

Lmao only use mine for inf blast

[lilac plover]

yeah at blue not so much for mix. At least gold.

[desert shale]

Currently only cav heavy

[lilac plover]

pls dont tell me u use drum in mix gear

[desert shale]

No.but got 3 gold.dont know why i made them

[potent crown]

No drum purple ring and 2 cups

[desert shale]

2 purple cups and burning scrol

[lilac plover]

then how is your mix cav heavy

[potent crown]

Probably from talent or jewels

[desert shale]

Sword
Bumble helm
Plate
Tidal boots(problem)
Fist
2 cups
Scroll

[desert shale]

Yeah
3 gold cav jewels and other none

[lilac plover]

That isnt bad.

Tidal boots isnt the problem

Still good

[desert shale]

Was using this.now changing

[lilac plover]

Scroll better than vial

[desert shale]

Will use this

[lilac plover]

that works, can invest in a champ boot in the future by pinball if you want to replace boots. Champ boot has army atk n hp so its an upgrade.

[desert shale]

Inf?

[lilac plover]

Inf or Cav your choice. Most prefer inf

but since you have fist as offhand, inf will be okay

[desert shale]

Without gears.fury on

[lilac plover]

decent

[subtle crest]

Can someone guide me about cavalry familiars? If I have 5 spots for familiar and I wanna do rally which ones are the best and effective to use? I've all the familiars for cavalry

[potent crown]

Gargantua, frostwing, goblin, saber, jade or drider

[gray beacon]

Jade or gryphon, not drider

[solemn valley]

Which i have to open 1dt fam slot 5 or sigils

[potent crown]

Definitely recommend slot 5 as long as you've got at least helm sigil unlocked

[fierce heart]

😍

First counter unlocked, the second is gonna take a long time lol

And I cant even imagine for thr 3rd

[crisp thicket]

Yo aren't u the leader of GA in kd 1759

[fierce heart]

Huh

Yeah

Who are you ?

[crisp thicket]

I'm in lnd, dead baby guild

[fierce heart]

Who ?

[crisp thicket]

Mxchael, u don't know me but I've seen u alot

[fierce heart]

I know you

Lol

[crisp thicket]

Oh ok

Do u have dead's discord

[fierce heart]

Why dont you come to GA, always better than Lnd ❤️

[fierce heart]

No, he hates me too much for that

[crisp thicket]

That's betrayal bruh but anyways we're getting cooked in wow for sure

[crisp thicket]

Lmao

[fierce heart]

i could have helped but Baby set free all my prisonners

I wont go in wow without altar boost, and I wont use license to kill a leader if it is to help baby x)

[crisp thicket]

Why lol, dead once said he was gonna merge bk with u guys

Dead's pretty pissed rn cuz of Tessa so maybe that's why

[fierce heart]

That's not happening, he wants to bring other guilds in the kingdom, and I wont leave the R5 to someone this emotionally unstable

He's cool when he is calm, but he can do so crazy things

[crisp thicket]

Broo, dead's a nice guy or maybe I just haven't experienced the other side of him idk

[crisp thicket]

Yh he's sometimes crazy lol

[fierce heart]

Calling everyone moms a hoe and free prisonners like that just to pissed people, he may have good sides, but a leader should never act like that

[fierce heart]

So he doesnt want to come anymore, you're gonna get destroy in wow, then let's see what happend

[crisp thicket]

Damn

[crisp thicket]

We'll surely loose to the new Gould but idk why dead believes he can defend it, we only have 2 people with t4

[fierce heart]

It's not about t4, it's about playing the game. Rey's gear is shiiit

Well, MIW leads too

[crisp thicket]

C'mon bruh our only hope is Rey😭

Slayer is scared of loosing troops she can't do shi

[fierce heart]

Slayer isnt lvl 60

That's Lnd choice and problem, not ours now

[crisp thicket]

Yh but she's the only one with t4 besides rey

[fierce heart]

Baby refused, he did shiit, now he is assuming

[midnight quail]

Hmmm!😝

[crisp thicket]

Idk if dead is gonna unlock his

[fierce heart]

Well, have fun in wow, i'm for sur gonna have fun watching you guys 😂

[crisp thicket]

C'mon bruh don't be a coward

[fierce heart]

Give me a good reson ?

Not a coward, I have more stats than you guys 🤣

I just dont have fillers

And I dont really care about base

If you want help, baby should beg at our door

[austere flare]

Is there an ideal order of which familiars to work on? Like max this then this?

[rose summit]

Is this good familiar to use?

[rancid shuttle]

Yuh.

[rose summit]

Yuh is yes or no

[rancid shuttle]

Yuh

[round arch]

It depends if you're paying igg or not

[austere flare]

I am not

[surreal badge]

Is there any use for familiar runes after they get to adult stage? Or safe to convert them to fragments?

[torn nimbus]

you can use them to upgrade their skills.

[frail sonnet]

I really need EXP Elixirs😭

[round arch]

Stackers and gryphon are good to go

[sage barn]

Suppose I have a comp of 40-60m troops. 3m T4 of each type and 500k T5 of each type, adding up to 10.5m and then 1.5m T4 siege. So, 12m T4/T5. Now I have 10m T2 infantry, 18m T2 range and 10m T2 cavalry. What types of familiars are best for defence with this type of comp ?
The 600% fams ( like bon, blackwing and gargantua) will need 4% damage to active, so 2.5m damage before they activate. I am not sure if the rallies will be able to do 2.5m damage so I am unsure on what familiars would work with this comp.

[potent crown]

A rally definitely does more than 2mil damage

First determine front and use the shield fam for that

From your comp I'm guessing range front so fams could be snowbeast, magus, sorcerer/weevil, blackwing and gargantua if p5 and slot 5

Another alternative could be replacing garg with wyrm again if you have p5

For 4 slots and no p5, snowbeast, magus, sorcerer and no idea

[sage barn]

Sorry, I didn’t see the message in time. While the comp’s largest frontline would be range, it doesn’t mean I want to pigeonhole myself into taking everything with range front. I don’t think I will ever get rallied with more than one rally at once so I want a familiar setup which lets me defend in all three fronts. I was going for bon, blackwing, garg + 15% army hp ones. I don’t have Jade wyrm … or he’ll drider. I can go for shield fams but I would only get 2 types.

[gray beacon]

Simple , you have too many t2s and should reduce them

But if you refuse to , having one p5 is enough, 3 of them will only target one squad and not 3 , and 1 is enough to delete it entirely so 3 are overkill
I'd still use shield familiar, because you will take 2-3m damage from strong mix rallies , Magus would be helpful too , gryphon in case a rally is carpeted super fast ( I'm assuming you're a normal rally trap/filler not a lead account) and possibly pyris if your wall is down
Your nemesis is mix rallies and multiple rallies , so you'll find yourself mostly using range phalanx against mix , and need to optimise for that and not be a burnable 60m guy
Blasts are no issue and would be capped by everyone

[sage barn]

Okay, can you explain me why would gryphon be useful in case a rally is carpeted very fast ? I don’t think I would take enough damage for it activate even if I got countered. Unless it’s one of those big leads, I have tried it out in chaos.
I do have magus on the wall. Why would be pyris useful when wall is down specifically? I don’t have pyris and have never really studied much about its army talent.
And if I face multiple mix rallies, shouldn’t I instead increase my range ? After all, I would be taking all the mix rallies in range phalanx.

[potent crown]

Don't have answers for all that but if you increase your range it'll take a few rallies to clear it (assuming they test your front) and once your front is gone you're easy hit

[sage barn]

Isn’t that how it works if you sit in a phalanx ? If you sleep in phalanx, they can clear out one troop type and counter you. But I am not talking about when I am sleeping, where I would sleep in war gear and wedge but when I am online and taking a rally. Usually mix or sometimes blasts. Blasts are still easy to cap, mix is strange … I don’t know what formation to take them in usually.

[potent crown]

Think the reason pyris was recommended was that it buffs heroes skill at the start. With wall up that's a few seconds out the time they activate and walk up to the enemy but with wall down your squad starts attacking before enemy troops reaches

[sage barn]

Ohk, I see.

[potent crown]

Range phal works for blasts

[sage barn]

What ?

[potent crown]

When they're sending mix rallies at you take in range phal

Any other questions please ask @gray beacon

[gray beacon]

Gryphon makes zeroing you infinitely harder to begin with , and against an actual counter you'll get 6m damage yeah

[gray beacon]

No because if you have more troops and familiars become less useful, you're likely to burn and burn

You should sleep in a wedge

Range wedge

[potent crown]

But if he's on and it's mix rally then range phal

[gray beacon]

Pyris is useful as Henry said because it is only available for the first 10 seconds , and when the heroes activate their skills ( the animation shows them getting bigger) , if wall is up , seconds are wasted on jackshit

[potent crown]

What troop count will be considered normal lol, not much and not less

[gray beacon]

Yes range phalanx wall down ez cap

[gray beacon]

20-30m

[potent crown]

[sage barn]

Feels very counterintuitive to have lesser troops. I was thinking of instead swapping the fams for larger armies since I already have a big comp

[jolly sun]

I've personally accepted the fact that unless a max account counters me or I take a rally party fams won't work

But do you really need fams in any other scenario

[sage barn]

You make sense

[random radish]

It makes you able to have more research like debuffs and other stuff

[sage barn]

Do debuff apply on the final stats? And are direct subtraction or remove a percentage of final stats?

[gray beacon]

Removing multiplicatively
10% of said stats

[sage barn]

Is there any difference between Rally Atk, Coalition Atk and Amry Atk ? You get the first one from Wolfpack sigils, second one from bon and battle hall ( I think ) only.

[gray beacon]

Army atk means your army , that is inf range cav siege
Rally atk and coalition atk are the same thing, and they're active when rallying

[sage barn]

Any idea why they are labelled different? You can see coalition attack boost in your stats but nothing called rally attack.

[gray beacon]

Where have you seen rally atk?

[sage barn]

If you are sending troops to wonder rally, tap on the sigils, and it says you are getting rally attack, not coalition attack.

[gray beacon]

Ah I thought you meant in the stats screen
Yeah that's the same as coalition atk

[sage barn]

Ohk

[desert shale]

Different terms for same thing.like troops atk you get from prison which adds into army atk

[sage barn]

They are also called army attack

[main sentinel]

I'm working on getting Blackwing, Bon Appeti, and Gargantua to elder. I'm still pretty far off and getting 24 (of one) every bargain store is taking forever. I have been watching the market place and haven't seen any familiar packages. Is there another way to get runes for these familiars?

[sage barn]

I am not sure if this would be helpful but a few places where you can get the 600% fams are : Bargain Store. Other events like the month long events the last 2 months, where you could get chest of pacts II.
If you do packs, some of the limited time packs come with chest of pacts II or direct runes, but you will need to wait for them to come out.
There was also the artifact challenge where you could get 4 runes but they are not too helpful.
Finally is tycoon. You get bon and Huey hops from halo rotation, gargantua and blackwing from glistening pearl, queen bee and frost wing from queen venom.
I think if you spend 1k tokens, you get 25~ of both, which is equivalent to buying a $5+$20 of those fam packs directly. Also you get other good stuff like rare materials and gems.

[main sentinel]

@sage barn thank you!

[sage barn]

No problem

[delicate cliff]

aquiris for -15% enemy army hp is better than +15 army hp for you

[gray beacon]

How

[delicate cliff]

if they send mix thats three enemy troops types losing hp, wheres not all 3 types of your troops are going to be hit, so one or even 2 troops types are getting hp buff but not going to get hit

or is my logic here flawed?

[rancid shuttle]

Doesn't make sense to me....

[delicate cliff]

hm, which part doesnt make sense? could you explain it? like im saying maybe my logic is flawed lol

[rancid shuttle]

Hard to explain

[gray beacon]

15% less for the attacker or 15% more for the defender, whether or not the defender is using multiple frontlines or not

A 15% decrease for the attacker , has the same effect on the outcome whether they send mix troops or a single troop type

[delicate cliff]

yes but if you are getting 15% more range hp as part of that 15% armhy hp buff, if the range does not get attacked doesn't that mean it's wasted?

[gray beacon]

The reason aquiris is worse , is because usually the attacker has more HP than the defender, so a 15% boost is relatively smaller

[delicate cliff]

are they not addiditve buffs?

[gray beacon]

No

They are
400+15%

[delicate cliff]

yes so additive buff, so logically they do the same thing no?

[gray beacon]

Throughout the battle , 1m range are killed , 15% army HP will translate to 15% range hp because cav and inf weren't hit

[delicate cliff]

yes, whereas if they send mix that is 15% hp of each type being lost, which means its easier for you to kill the enemy overall

[gray beacon]

15% less of 400% is a larger ratio than 15% of 1000%

[delicate cliff]

sorry can you elaborate on her 400% and 1000% came from lol

[gray beacon]

Defender HP is 15%

Sorry 400%

[delicate cliff]

if you mean 400 for defender and 1000 of attacker, do you mean 15% more of 400

[gray beacon]

Attacker's HP is 1000%
Reducing the enemy by 15% is ~1% more damage done to them , while adding 15% HP to Your 400% is ~3.5%

[delicate cliff]

? thats a multiplicative buff then no? i thought it was 1000-15 or 400+15

[gray beacon]

Army HP is just a way of saying, whatever troop type is getting hit , it's getting HP boost

[delicate cliff]

yes, so it can be inferred the same as
inf hp 100
range hp 100
cav hp 100
army hp 100

total:
inf hp 200
range hp 200
cav hp 200

[gray beacon]

No multiplicative means 15% of 400% , which means adding 60% HP

[gray beacon]

Yes

[delicate cliff]

sorry can you explain how u got 1% and 3.5% XD

[gray beacon]

15/400

What portion a 15 make out of 400

[delicate cliff]

following this logic, if you have added 100%hp to range and cav, but you are in inf front and it is the largest squad too (accounting for p5 damage) doesnt that mean the hp buff to range and cav isn't used

[gray beacon]

You still got a 100% army HP

[delicate cliff]

?? im very confused sorry, 15/400 is a multiplicative equation no?

bc u are dividing?

[gray beacon]

Here's a situation

I have 10 apples

You give me 2

[delicate cliff]

yes but its technically 300%, but 200% isnt being used.

whereas if they send mix, they are definitely going to lose 100% hp for each

[gray beacon]

Thank you btw

[delicate cliff]

pardon?

[gray beacon]

Thanks for giving me two apples

[delicate cliff]

uh ok lol XD

[gray beacon]

Ok let's say I have 50 apples

And you give me 2

I have 50+2

You gave me 4% more

Now let's say apples are boosts

I have 50% army hp boost

You gave me 2% more HP

You contributed 4% more

[wraith forge]

Holy talk

[gray beacon]

4% of 50%

[wraith forge]

Y'all enjoy

[delicate cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/midnight-the-cat-stopped-working-midnight-the-cat-cat-cat-meme-funny-cat-gif-81113296414293415

[gray beacon]

Army HP % is a unity here

[delicate cliff]

im not sure thats a good analogy here, because army hp splits into seperate hp's

[gray beacon]

The percentage is the army HP is related to the base attributes of the troop type

[gray beacon]

It doesn't split

[delicate cliff]

but it does...?

[gray beacon]

It adds up to all of them

That's not splitting

[delicate cliff]

yes, whatever army hp is, it is added individually to each seperate troop hp

if you have a troop comp of 10m each t4, and only 50m t2 range, wouldn't it only matter what the range hp is?

similarly if you have 10m each t4 and 50m each t2, if you are range frontline then wouldn't the buffs to cav and inf hp be redundant? becasue they are not being hit? (obviously excluding p5's here)

[gray beacon]

Yes it would only matter what the range HP is

Doesn't mean that 15% army HP is any less useful

[rancid shuttle]

Are you a teacher or something

[gray beacon]

I'm good with some of myfriends kids

That sometimes are smarter than their parents xD

[delicate cliff]

sure... but in a defending situation where the enemy sends mix and you have a range frontline..... wouldn't making each troop type of your enemy lose 15% hp be more effective then only one of your troop types?

[gray beacon]

No

[delicate cliff]

becasue that would be 45% decrease opposed to 15% increase

[gray beacon]

Whether all three troop types get hit or just one , the impact 15% army HP gives is the same

[gray beacon]

No it wouldn't 45

[rancid shuttle]

So what conclusion did you 2 reach?

[delicate cliff]

.... if you only have range and do not have inf or cav troops, would the 15% army hp be just as effective in your opinion?

[gray beacon]

If you say 45% then you are splitting 15% army HP to 3

[delicate cliff]

still discussing XD

[delicate cliff]

that is how army statistic work, no?

[gray beacon]

No

[delicate cliff]

it is a buff to the entire army, which can be calulated by adding it individually to each troop type.?

[rancid shuttle]

Y'all confused me too 😭

[gray beacon]

Let's say I have 3 type of fruits

[rancid shuttle]

Banana, peach and mango

[gray beacon]

And I increase the price of all 3 of them by 5$

You buy only one fruit

How much more are you going to pay?

5$ or 15$?

[rancid shuttle]

5

[gray beacon]

Why the question mark 😭

[rancid shuttle]

What question mark

[gray beacon]

[delicate cliff]

5

[rancid shuttle]

[gray beacon]

There we go

[rancid shuttle]

Interesting

[delicate cliff]

? relate the analogy please

it sounds like ur proving what im saying rn....

[gray beacon]

Each troop type got an increase in HP

By 5$

[rancid shuttle]

Ohhhh so it divides?

[delicate cliff]

???????

[gray beacon]

The price you're paying is 5$ more regardless

[rancid shuttle]

I always thought it was like 15 % EACH

[delicate cliff]

woah woah woah are you saying 100% army hp is divided by 3 and then added

[gray beacon]

It is each

[delicate cliff]

it is supposed to be

which is why you add it on INDIVIDUALLY like i said earlier

[rancid shuttle]

Hol up

[delicate cliff]

here

[gray beacon]

Ok here's a simpler situation

Let's say you're range front

[delicate cliff]

may i provide a scenario first?

[gray beacon]

Which one do you prefer , an increase by 15% range HP or 15% army HP

[rancid shuttle]

Army HP

[delicate cliff]

ok i guess i will go 2nd, army hp

[rancid shuttle]

Range will be useless if it's not a inf Blast

[delicate cliff]

here is my scenario. range frontline

1. 10m each t4, 10m t2 range only, no t2 inf or cav.

2. 10m each t4, 10m each t2.

would army hp of +15% be the same as +15% range hp in the 1st scenairo as the 2nd?

(ignore p5's targetting biggest squad)

[gray beacon]

It's the same amount of boost

[delicate cliff]

correct

[gray beacon]

Then why do you prefer army

[delicate cliff]

so if your cav and inf are not being hit, there is no point of increasing they're hp (ignroe familiar's targetting biggest squad)

[rancid shuttle]

Because it'll apply to all 3 troop types

[delicate cliff]

bc you did not include enough variables or information lmao

[gray beacon]

15% army means whoever is getting hit , it'll switch sides and be a 15% of X troop type

[rancid shuttle]

Ahhh so it only applies to 1 of the troop types getting targetted?