#🏹┊equipment
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Yeah 600k
I am not sure if the cost is updated bc someone else made this 
But they said it was the discounted fortune chest pack when I asked
How many stars for 3 grey blueprints?
The spreadsheet with average drop rates is right there. Do your own math
I got T4 unlocked (F2P)
Now which is best research focus on & Which one is best to use for technolabe ?
-i don't need subsidy research i have hypers for rss :)
he said F2P getting counter is not wise
i say get the useful ones like military command
gives u all the boosts for farming
Counters are very useful and probably the one realistic thing you can get as f2p other than helmet sigil
doesnt counters requre tomes?
yeah
do u think he can max all of them?
only takes 5.6k tomes
helmet is like 2.7k
Yeah if you go for tomes for guildfest rewards you'll get there ¯_(ツ)_/¯
I have helmet sigil on my f2p accs so it's doable
but we dont know how many tomes he have
maybe not max, but a few % is a lot better than nothing
Yes.
It's definitely possible to get enough tomes for at least a few grades of counter research f2p. And very much worth it.
Thats almost enough to do Lv10 in whatever troop type counter you prefer
depends what other pieces you are wearing
yeah cup vial and maybe replace the drum with scroll not 100% sure
sets seems pretty heavy on range
quite a bit of cav attack already
seems to be lacking in infantry dmg
Yeah I already compensated that in talents
i see
Use lost island relic instead of drum
^ the experienced dude has spoken take his advice
Do not use scroll/blight ring until they are blue or else they arent worth putting in

BTW is defense talents worth?
Only use defense talents on a pure blast talent set, on mix its not worth
Agree ↑
Why you hiding your three wyrm seals 
Hes prolly a stonehyper thats why he have those
And i guess he knows they arent a good piece aswell thats why he hid it
I know u can see it tho I just hid it cuz it's off topic

I mean, idc really, but you hiding it made me almost care
We've been there, I made three of each accessory.. even if they were grey 
Three rings, three cups, three scrolls, 
Why on the first picture my cav atk is at 160% without lead and the second at 135%?
The second is from today and the first from 1-2 weeks ago
talents?
Talents don’t change stats without leader
hm i dunno
Oh ^_^ anyway thank you
Fort boost +25%
@bright peak
Omg you kidding me? 400% attack stats and you dont know? 
I'll send screen... gimme 1sec
Thanks :/
Oh god yes
@bright peak

😅
No problem lmao
i forgot forts existed
Welcome to reality
Whats a fort?
A thing you build with blankets and pillows
I need Jewels 
My range sitting at 300%, inf and cav 260% each. I'm not 60 yet so should I be going for a full round of crown jewels or a full round of mat madness

I need one then 
Okay
And it's only like.. 2.5k? 2.7k? Tomes
One of the most reasonable tome researches for f2p
You can look up on the wiki how long the research is in original time. Each Labe is 33.3 days of original speed. (Or probably someone updated the pages with labes for people too lazy to do their own math)
I checked earlier, at least some of the researches were missing from the wiki
and they didn't have labe costs either IIRC

Well update it. It's a wiki. But I'm sure the info is out there. Fandom or something. Regardless, you only need to know the original time for any given research to know the Labe cost
why are we talking about this in this chat :>
No idea
I doubt the info for labes is out there
for the other stuff? Maybe...
Of course plenty of people have done them but that doesn't mean anyone has taken notes
similar to how info on fam leveling didn't exist for a long time and I don't think there's info on skills yet
Quick question which gear is suitable to focus on 1st 2nd and 3rd would familiar be last or does it depends?.gear as in military gear ,research gear ect
Research first
Make some small construction gear then mostly focus on research when you have them at all purple or something start workin on familiar
Thank you both for the help
Familiar isnt that hard because only 3 pieces (accessories) use the same items as contruction and research gear. Most of them come from items from the Voodoo Shaman monster
Thats the best research gear u can get in the game so yes that is very good
Got it thanks
XL sus 

👍
Kapi just change it yourself 
Interesting gear
I'd rally that
why did he get the irises instead of the dragon boots 
Didn't know what to do
Three of em as well 

What’s some good free to play gear for solo traps
Chest imo...unless you're rolling thousands of tokens in tycoon, you're going to be limited by familiar xp
Compare the boosts since it's same
I would say ancestral kilt because I need more merging speed
Familiar training exp it's good however for pact 4 fam but probably next time

If I’m F2P is it worth it to research sigils or counter boosts or work towards t5?
Helm and maxed counters is about half the price of t5s
Take from that what you will
Well that’s still quite a bit of tomes
~7.5k
Helm is 2.7kish
So that is the easiest and cheapest one that can actually get you into guilds
Counters. They are worth it. They are relatively cheap. Being f2p you're unlikely to get into the big war guilds where sigils are required (it's a really small percentage of guilds so don't stress on it), and t5 is simply too costly. Even if you could save up all the tomes needed for the research, you can't afford the lunite and crafting speeds, and you can't afford to heal those troops even if you did manage to make some a few years down the line.
Once you've done counters, aim for helmet sigil only (like Xan said)
Don't you get chests from AP prizes?
Those bottles don’t give much
I think there's a good argument for helm sigil due to guild reqs but yeah it's a relatively small amount of guilds
overall counters are the best investment in terms of boosting acc but I must say I'm in favour of going for things that are guild reqs first
and at the current rate the game will probably shut down before any f2ps even unlock t5
Gold bon helm makes baby chtulhu cry
Is this gear nice for pre-lv60?
Yes, but... No, because.
My lv60 gear is
Blue Skullcrusher
Blue Bumblehelm
Blue Dragon's Talon
3 Blue Cups
No, because it's such a waste for when you get lv60
No gears. Jewels can be chiselled
Can use em as fake gear lol
I mean the only piece i wasted rare items on was chestpiece
And the helmet
Helmet doesnt require halos
hi, what's a good troop comp for a rally trap account? i'm not looking to cap really big players, just enough to fight a bit and have fun.
ok, thank you

For starters 2m t2 each and 500k t4 is good haha
Purple dragon talons or the dragon fist on gold?
please sent me a message in game: geometrix
Why
If you're going for mixed set, then talons. Cav blast? Fist 👊
Minimum stats for this comp to cap rally from 800% titan ?
350 with counter research done
Titan u need like 400% mix above. And never get countered if you get countered u burn or u wont cap
well titan isnt titan.. for 800% thats fine.. for 900+ better be bigger 🙃
T5 fams are whats mostly gonna hurt
J
How much infirmary space do I need?
This attack % is too low, you will get bent over
1 castle star
Skullcrusher is almost mythic, champ off hand is on the way.

Can use mythic ring instead of drum, any other suggestions?
Champ?
?
Champ off hand if at mythic?
if you have enough hp without mitts, then sure
Can use gold bumble helm too(mythic soon) for more HP.
yeah change to bumble once it's mythic
The guy isn't gonna get rallied.. just for forts.
It's 1 star
He's going to lose at forts 
It'll get rallied
I know he is an old player who came back like 1 year later.
tell him to save his money and quit again 
He has been offline in familiar gears but no one dared. 
Nah, he is going for full champ slowly.
his castle disappears from the map after a few weeks
His child used to login and shield.
ok so he's offline in familiar gear, but shielded...yet you're saying no one dared rally him

sounds like he couldn't be rallied because he was shielded
He can make the Skullcrusher mythic.. just need common materials.
He is active now and unshielded usually. When he was not playing, his child used to shield.
He donated tonnes of those in Guild Bash. 
He has been with us for like 3-4 months now and no one rallied him when he was un-shielded.
Tell him to use mitts
im convince caity in fake gear can beat that guy
Champ offhand as first champ piece isnt really the best thing to do
Maybe he will do inf boots first, already at purple.
Ok.
enough for an 800% lead if you counter
mits if you expect doubles to loose less.. if its just a single you better off with champ off as you got time to refill
You may not burn but you will take a fair few losses with a counter at 350% mixed
If you get countered then rip

Oh he don't stand a chance at forts

Tell him get 5 pc champ and 3 cups

didnt say it wont hurt lol
rule 1 dont get countered 😂

What if i do get countered?
good trap should know what the lead comes with before he marches by literally knowing your enemy
💯
Wdym?
As in the rally leads preferences?

that and depending on the leads appearence you can tell he rather goes inf or range... needs a pretty good lead to have a decent cav for example
with 50% carps and the not rarely occuring lags you better know before
Lol guessing is the dumbest thing to do
thats why i say you have to know and thats easy to learn
Just have a spy in enemy guild and know whatd coming lmao



legit but a despicable move
It's part of the game
defenetly
Forts in weak Kingdoms with hardly any 800% hitter. 
I know such kingdoms are usually pricy in terms of scrolls but we will see.
Show me your competition
And for the cups, yes he is working on them slowly.
T5 fams, not as of now..but almost maxed wonder research.
Maxed heroes.
Not 11Ks though.
Hmm okay
We aren't going to compete in the current K(K258).
Does he have the counter hero, research and familiar?
But in near future, when we migrate to a medium-sized kingdom, we will try.
Research, yes, maybe he is working on familiar and hero.. wait..
We got another lead with LV.9 Blackwing (almost Lv.10).
And he is close to Gold Counter hero and elder familiar.
But he is lacking on the wonder research side.
On the gear side, he is just progressing but 750% blast won't be hard.
P2P fams are OP they make your hit from soggy noodle to wet noodle 

But you know good stats to make them effective, right?
As the initial ATK is considered, isn't it?
I mean if u can afford them you can mostlikely afford good stats too
Yes and that's the case with him.
But he started late on gears so still on gold stage.. will get mythic gradually.
Gear is half pretty hard to get considering all the monsters you need to attack
Upgrade*^
Gear is not hard if you know what you're doing
You can only do one thing to get its resources, kill monsters. Sorry, 2 options. Pay.
Uhmm, tycoon and labyrinth exists too
As f2p you can stack up gems and use them for tycoon, and theres a familiar that gives free holy stars every 2 days
Labyrinth and tycoon is not provided to a user instantly, you need to defeat shane first.
But yes I agree still
Skirmishes are the easiest thing to do
Lol yes I beat the last one with 8K T3 each
I beat it even without t3 lol
Yeah just alot of T2. Isnt there a limit to how many you can use?
I took a Laby Boss quest and used all my holy stars but not a single one appeared.

Theres a limit yes but you can send like 10 times even if you keep losing so doesnt really matter
Wasted 5K gems.. still no benefit.
How many did u have lol
Yeah but imagine putting effort into skirmish 😎
18K.. I know it's low but that should be enough for one appearance.
That happened to me once 20k and no boss, but sometimes only 2k and gets easily
Also, I have used 300-400K holy stars before so you know I have the familiar maxed.

Ask your guildmate to gift you stars 
I will trade resources.. won't get for free. 
But if even after that I don't get a boss, I will drop the quest.
The trading ship is great for free resorces. you pay 100K wood for 1mil
Notabot are you new to the game?
I'll give you a shoe string for 200mil wood! 
wait till many win in a short timespan.. goblin is more likely to appear then
whats the best wall trap gear 
wall traps exist :>

just search by wall defense %
Can someone explain how the wedges work?
Nope, been playing for a couple months now
it's kind of like having two weaker frontlines instead of one 
Someone probably has a much better explanation than that but really it just has a second 'frontline' to fall back to if the first one is obliterated
Isn’t it to take less losses if you get countered?
If you know what the enemy sends, you best use a phalanx.
If not... a wedge of what you think he will send
If you get countered, you take ~15% less losses with a wedge
But it has it bad side
When you counter in a wedge, you take more losses than in a phalanx but it has minimal effect... as you see only 500troops
@naive tusk hope you find this helpful 
This isn't necessarily great advice
the interactions between various things mean that for defense you'd generally just want to sit in inf/range wedge
phalanxes could, in theory, work but realistically you'd need to be able to see what they're sending before the rally walks for that
Means it worth rather than from labyrinth right ?
600 tokens have me 7 blues last time I remember 
Yes it's worth it
I prefer using tokens for it, unless you saving all your tokens for cups
Lol

:> I think blights might be wrong though
pretty much same... cups slightly better

I'm played Lords Moppile in 2018

wrong channel no? these are screenshots for reports
Sorre
any of yall know how to get might fast

What are the different sigils and what do they do ik there's Wolfpack sigil but don't know what they do
Wolfpack can add those rally on base,forts,barons atks
there are also have tiger,bear,and dragon
What do they do lol
Dragon can cover your gear, i forget others
Tiger, range attack, bear, cav
Hmm interesting which is most recommended
Shadow to hide gear
Wolf for rally damage
Get wolf unless you want to spend 30k on gear
i think is shadow
just get ursa/tigris sigils
most useful
First one is better but still needs changes, also your jewels are so messed up
Frostwing, bee helm, mecha armour, blackwing boot, codex, cav drum, cup and ring
Yup that will work really well
do you have line
i want to send a quick overview of the account so i can get some help
Stop using defense jewels. You'll want regular attack jewels, terror/wyrm/garg jewels, saber/grim reaper/trojan jewels
@gray cradle i know now i was given this account so it’s all like a big shove in my face
Is drum better choice in mix set?
No
But if its better than the other pieces you have then it can be usable
Do you have a purple blight ring?
Ya
Use that instead
It'll be in drum replacement
Yes
Hey.
Noob
Stop using defense jewels, use ring over vial
Spend more
tru
how do you have purple vial and green ring

Easy. Just don't upgrade blight ring!
I asked for improvements... 
Can't improve this trash tbh



Trash
What heroes did you guys use for stages 8,9 and 10?
I didn't even attempt them
Nice profile picture genius
😍


so my blue scroll is better than my drum?
what is what?
Lucky so soo lucky
Just spend more
Best advice on this channel, 100%
I'm glad geni learnt a lot already
Setting up a baby trap, what are some gear suggestions
I'm a super new player and I'm wondering what gear to get
Mythic champ
And emperor
Are you p2p or f2p
Imagine asking that 
I'm f2p and im not gonna spend a penny on this game dont have money lol
can you tell me the best heroes to use for frostwing
Physical I guess
thats not funny, it's bullying
Me and a bully? 
That's absurd
@faint charm best advice
Buy the 2-5$ packs
Be semi p2p

rose knight aint gonna help me
Keep your mouth shut or go be a keyboard warrior elsewhere
Please
Thx 🙂
Rose is free
I'm really young and alot of people give me hate comments
Get her to gold
I'm not hating lol
so i almost have her unlocked
I don't have time for shit
Trying to get info on which gear to get and this moron says mythic champ
so if you dont have time for no shit then fkin leave
So suggestions for gear for a baby trap?
just gear in general
F2p?
oop worng reply lol
P2p
No champ tho
f2p
MY BUDGET IS $0
can you look up the profile of a person on lords mobile
Unless your level 55+
Good gear after 55
so im not a nub nub like a super duper nub
Best at 60
But level 60 gear f2p tough
im kinda lost
Fams are expensive
what are fams
So don't worry abt them
and by expensive do you mean irl
Familiar

oh
I just started the trap account yesterday
fams r familiars lol
1m yet?
guess my might and i'll give you my info
no i give you my info first
so you know where to start
my top 5 battle heroes
- Trickster
R6
(Triple Blue Badge Thingy)
Bumbleehelm, frostwing sword or skull crusher, firewall plate, dragon talons, 1 cup, 2 rings or 1 ring/1 scroll
and Level 50
Rank 6
ok just know
all of them are L50
except one
and
all of them are r6
So
Trickster Grade Blue
Trickster ain't for battles
Scarlet Bolt Grade Green
Yea i did my research and ik that
but im not really fighting other ppl
he does a lot of damage in monster hunt and hero stages
and thats kinda what i need rn
im planning on replacing trickster or oath with rose knight
300k rn
Well depends on the monster
Building things not training yet
Oop you plan on getting t3 for trap?
also just know
No
@dry hound
T2 front line t1 archer
T2 trap?
How many might do you get from turf quest?
1m t2?
@faint charm don't worry about war gear, focus on research and construction
Never stop training t2
ok
hol up
I was gonna do 500k gladiator and 1 mil archer to start
i can get in a call on my phone
War after your 100m
tip... don't take a rally from a mythic champ guy 
Take a ss
and i can screen share
if you want to know everything
so you can really guide me ya know
Took the rally.... i regret my decission 
How do i burn... even i counter that rally? uwu
Hi im on my phone rn
And don't waste lobes
I'm new In this game
And I have question
Have attacked someone
With my t2 troops
Few times
And could not pass the wall
Anyone now the reason
what they attack with?
T3

Good? For now?
id say yes
Would a scroll instead of the tidal Titan accessory be fine?
if its atleast green yes
Alright my scroll is currently on its way to green
I currently have a blue cav jewel which gear piece should I put it in
Or does it not matter which gear I apply the jewel too?
well cav spear or mix would make sense..
Ok
Should rephrase my question so for my mix set in the image above where should I put the cav jewel? ex the helm or main hand?
don't make scroll...make skullcrusher
F2P I ain’t building that :> ever
Better investment than scroll lol
I'm f2p and I've gotten to purple skullcrusher so far 🤔
You can use ring + cup for accessories
Definitely go Crusher. You'll kick yourself when you end up one brain short 
Looks soloable

can you help me
With?
dms pls
he's gone
are you a solotrap? or?
No I am not
Any suggestions
for a solotrap it would have been frightening.. pretty decent for a rally trap..
build troops...
Okay, thank you
also, i can make purple skull crusher, but undecided between it and scrolls. what should i go for?
Is it better to upgrade the two burning scrolls in accessories or just focus on one scroll til it becomes Epic(Purple)/Legendary(Yellow) then upgrade the other one next?
One scroll.
i can make upto purple skullcrusher and 1 blue scroll. save the brains for yellow skullcrusher instead of blue scroll?
Don't make scrolls go for crusher
cups can replace scrolls since it's easy to max 

Tru 
wow
why am i even in this server
im so bad
i feel like everyone else is better than me
No me
Does gear give boost on leaderless walks
I believe not
depends on the boost.. speed, gathering etc yes, just not army atk stats
army related stuff depends on leader... rest depends on gears.
if you dont send your leader...atk stats from gears and talents wont work...
Get a better leader
get a less creepy pfp
Any tips on what war gear I should use? Also, how can I level up to 60 the fastest?
Killing troops which u won’t be able to do so just be patient best war gear to use should look like bumble mitt frost dragon talon 1 cup 1 ring 1 scroll
If u don’t want bumble use beast if I don’t want dragon talons use tidal leggings
If u don’t want any just buy mythic champ xD
Also do not waste materials on non lvl 60 gear
Depends on whether you're High P2P or low spender or full F2P..
Anyway, for F2P, I would suggest you to remove the Mythic Pirate's eye-patch & forge Lost Island Relic for now & focus on Ambrossial cup/Blight ring(off course can only be upgraded to Blue or purple by F2P).. The other 2 accessories are good choices, keep improving them.
For the off-hand, Lunar scimitar is for recent use & Winter mitts for long run, considering you would be getting Snowbeast chest daily & they have decent drop rates.
Helmet : Focus on Beast helm (not BumbleHelm)since you're already going for Queen Bee Armor.
I don't recommend continuing with bee chest...there's better monster gear for that now. You're best off making bee helm
You're better off making firewall plate for mixed anyway
Boot: Can go for Queen Bee Chaps.. good enough if you make them Mythic. Won't suggest you to go for Dragon's Talon as you're making Dragon's Iris..
I also don't recommend continuing to upgrade iris or scroll lol
BeeHelm is difficult to upgrade as F2P
You can go bee chaps if you want decent f2p gear
eh...you can get it through tycoon pretty easily now
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Good enough if you get enough gems.
But, yeah.. nice option.
And, about Dragon's Iris.. I find Legendary Iris better than Purple Blight Ring. And, it's somewhat possible to get Gold Iris than a Gold Ring.
Yeah but you'd rather have talons + ring instead of whatever other boots + iris
Again, F2P don't have such luxury
Idk I was able to get these pieces to purple at least as f2p
So I'm not 60 yet this is how it's looking. How much mat madness will I need to get to blues/purple
Depends on your luck, if you very lucky and get all legend rare mats, you only need to buy 1
One full round or one 20?
If u lucky 1*20$ will get you blue gear easily
The drop rates are advertised. Do your own math.
It's all gambling anyway
Thanks guys 
Btw is it better to buy the 5$ one material packs or the mat madness
Nice gems 
Use a mythic lost island relic instead of blight ring, use firewall plate instead of that chestplate
Dump that chest, save the venoms
The legs, I'll prefer blackwing boots
Are these the best gear f2p player can make
Yup

It's not waste if it's champ
Go the horse thingy

mecha trojan 

are you really f2p?
Kvk 
i forgot kvk existed
Yeah f2p with lucks 
where do I borrow the luck from
from gen 
SK exists 

Yes.
More F2P than champ pieces, but not super F2P friendly either...
honestly for most of that gear, 4-5 mats at most... Pulling one gold from each chest will get it to blue, 2-3 for purple. After that it's a huge leap, but still worth to grind them out. Cups will take much longer, and I wouldn't stress about them too much, maybe spend $20 on a token pack each time they come in tycoon
Lol
Tep
I told that I will pay 10M gold.. that's why I remember. 
Turn the M to B and i'll do it 
is this good for solo trap gear? need advice
Upgrade them
Purple lost island relic bad, make it mythic.
Do u have green bumblehelm? Use that instead
not yet
Make champion... very good solo trap gear 
Golden gear is okay too and you dont need the hero
Prefer mythic tho
@ancient tendon
sad poor here hehe
how much does it cost to make this gear? im curious
A lot
Your kidney
You forgot to add 's'
Lmao
They got a guy with atleast 12+ champ pieces
2 gold baron
All within ~ 7 months
is it like $10,000?
11k just for the hero 
one of the heroes
And there are 3 of em 
And that's basically useless without champ gear 
135 stars
Also resources
Also forts 
And many troops 
Quit the game already

11ks used to be great value before rising champ 

That's history
i say 50 60 grand for 8 mythic champ
theoretically you can get it for like a hundred bucks if you are the luckiest person ever
What champ gear part should I aim for first
I'd suggest offhand cos of the training speed if you're f2p
Ok thanks
I regret making those boots 
Boots are good though
But I guess if f2p the travel speed is not more useful than training, unless you are playing as a bank
Offhand - light (inf/cav)
Boots - strides (inf)
Chest - plate (range)
Helmet - helm (cav)
Mainhand - edge (cav)
Accessories- faith (inf/cav)
Are the more popular pieces due to the suboptimal monster gear alternatives (before hoot cottage and gwarilla)
Does altar boost stat stack
I know days stack but I mean army boost
Say 1 execute gives 10%, does 2 give 20%?
nope
That would be so overpowered
Yeah.. I actually made it cos of the cav attack lol..noob days 😅
Now I rarely use it... Except during lords Ball :Pepelaugh:
they're good but you're not really gonna get them to a grade that's actually useful as f2p
really it's just a tiny bit of travel speed vs. a tiny bit of training speed and the latter is usually gonna be more beneficial to anyone actually making troops
is fear drum better than lost relic?
what should i replace for it?
Scroll
Ambrosial cup
Big bang 
That's one small bang



Honestly it’s picking pennies at that point
I’d focus on your cup to mythic it’ll do more for you than working on a lash
1.360b
Do chest piece 
Before cup?
Aswell as 
Idk right now lol I need the login
The pieces are for the inf set?
Terror shield is better for you but work on what you want
CMS 
Oh haha nvm, seen it


Cms monter bus
So PCs 
No ipad
It’s a guild 
So pcs guild?
Yes
@agile flare
Why

don't waste your seeds making lash
nani
Make terrorthorn chest if anything
@gray cradle hold it chest?
yes
Okay
lash is only marginally better than saw...it's not worth using the seeds
And cup first than others?
if you're not going for accessories, then yeah get cups
Nice stars 
Where ya all work 
No u
Sus
purple is generally good enough to put in gear
IGG headquarters
Fake
???

make 2 grey rings or 1 green ring?
ok
Having made a cup & blight ring, what 3rd accessory is best for a solo trap. Another cup?
Unless you are going for champ yep
Got it, thank you :)
Scroll
Oh yeah it is
Guess,not the right channel
is 279% range atk alright for f2p?
Aim for 700%

i joined the 800 club today for all types 

if it's blast not mix it's terrible
if it's mix it's bad
400%+ mix should be somewhat decent
how does everyone have 800% cav idgi...I have 5 pieces and I'm at like 790%
or 4 pieces 
y'all have full mythic cav or what
isn't cav the cheapest stat 
I think it's ranged 
is it 
at least pretty much all our leads used to have cav as their highest stat and the pieces seemed cheaper 
champ sets always cost the same of course (but even then cav gives more cav not cav + army atk/etc.
so your stat would be higher )
Get Royal Jewels. 
I've seen a non-champ cav with 800%
champ usually lowers individual stats doesn't it
Exactly
even with better jewels + champ you might not have equal atk stats but you do hit harder so there's that
Agree, champ adds a lot of Army ATK and that's good to have.
although against someone with debuffs it's not as good 
Cav champ mainhand and helm is the huge cav atk increase the rest not much
Yes and paid familiars won't work as good. 
wonder what the effect on those really is
I do think champ should still hit higher single stats but it might be pretty close
Yes but still.
and nothing beats champ for mix of course

Agree there.
For forts, it's great.
Emp = no blast stats 
Isn’t the army attack stats better than blast?
That's why Daweige matty et al have spent in atleast 6 figures
army atk is better for defending fort/turf
it's mostly about having the tomes






