🏹┊equipment

[true walrus]

like if you got say a 30m frontline inf rng phal, army hp isnt needed for the other 2 types

[true walrus]

unless ur getting zeroed lol

[sly narwhal]

Army hp covers all troop inf, rng and cav

[true walrus]

im not denying that

[solid swallow]

The boost is the same whether two or one front is hit

[true walrus]

im saying, if i want to get the most effectiveness out of my troops, i would want to count army hp twice and army atk 3x for example

like if im determining if i should put a gold atk or gold army, if im sending only 1 troop type atk would be better, if im sending 2 or 3 hp would be better

1 troop atk = 20%, 1 troop army hp = 15% atk comes out on top

[sly narwhal]

Atk and hp are two sides of the same coin

[true walrus]

2 types, if i have only 1 space for a jewel then id pick army hp as it buffs inf + rng for example, whereas an atk boosts only 1 type

[solid swallow]

That works with army atk not army hp

[true walrus]

it works with both tho lol

[sly narwhal]

You'll need more hp to deal more atk no

[true walrus]

that is not what im saying

15% army hp is more beneficial in a 1 to 1 situation if you have more than 1 troop type than if you have 2

assuming you have pretty okay atk and hp already, and are trying to min max

[sly narwhal]

I'd counter though that atk is more useful in 1v1 since it boosts one stats

[true walrus]

thats literally exactly what im saying 😂

you're sending full inf, you'd go inf atk jewel over an army hp jewel

[sly narwhal]

In a situation boosting atk and hp definitely go with hp

[true walrus]

if you're sending inf, cav, rng you'd go the army hp jewel over the inf atk

unless you severely lack the inf atk

[sly narwhal]

Right now I'm lost in this conversation

[solid swallow]

@true walrus

[sly narwhal]

Since it's a mix situation then yes you'd definitely need the hp

[true walrus]

yeah feels like im talking to idiots, but you guys arenr actually idiots you just don't understand what im saying because I'm struggling to put it into a sentence that makes it easier to comprehend 😂

[solid swallow]

I think I strong-armed your position

[true walrus]

so this is literally what i was saying

[solid swallow]

No

.

This is what you said

[true walrus]

it literally is what im saying tho

[sly narwhal]

[true walrus]

what was sent by that ai thing is what im trying to explain

[solid swallow]

You said if more than one frontline is hit , the value of the jewel increases

[true walrus]

im not saying the cav doesnt recieve the army hp boost

[sly narwhal]

That's not what I got from the question though

[solid swallow]

.

[true walrus]

because it does?

[solid swallow]

The AI literally said it doesn't

[true walrus]

.

[solid swallow]

And that's not a feature in lords , it's math

[solid swallow]

I'm not comparing atk and hp here

[true walrus]

the benefit is always applied to the troops recieving the damage

[solid swallow]

Yes

[true walrus]

thats my point

thats literally what im trying to say

my cavalry isnt recieving damage

so army hp isnt as effectvie for me in that scenario as it would be if they was, further increasing the chance the cav survives

but as we already grasped, if my 3rd line is getting hit im fkd regardless 😂

[sly narwhal]

There's also retargeting and frontline changes in WoW and rallies even heroes affect the troops getting hit

[solid swallow]

How is this

[true walrus]

yeam im taking that into account, but for my as of rn situation im not losing more than 2 types of troops

im not saying army hp is 30%

[solid swallow]

The same as this

[true walrus]

because you cant understand what im trying to say

and thats fine

but i know myself that what im saying makes perfect sense

[sly narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/diagnosis-skill-issue-diagnosis-skill-issue-draker-discord-gif-22231351

[true walrus]

the same way you've already agreed choosing atk over army hp on a blast is more beenficial, and army hp over atk in a mix is more beneficial

[solid swallow]

Chat GPT take on this

Good question 👍 I see what’s going on here.

• In the Discord screenshots, the people are suggesting that Army HP works “x2” in WoW, because usually both the frontline and the 2nd line of troops are getting hit. In other words, they believe the benefit of Army HP is doubled if multiple troop types are taking damage at once.

• In the AI response screenshot, the explanation is different:

  • Army HP applies to any troop that is being damaged, regardless of type.
  • Whether 1,000 infantry are hit, or 500 infantry + 500 ranged, the effectiveness is the same, because Army HP is always applied to the troops that are receiving damage.
  • The AI explicitly says: “There is no extra effectiveness gained by spreading the damage; the benefit is always applied to the troops receiving damage.”

👉 So, the person in the Discord screenshots is not agreeing with the AI response.

• The Discord user thinks Army HP scales more if multiple troop types are hit.
• The AI clarifies that the effectiveness is the same whether damage is spread across types or focused on one.

Do you want me to break this down into a simple battlefield example (with numbers) to show the difference between the two interpretations?

Please tell me it's the same

[sly narwhal]

In a blast you'll need jewel that boosts the blast atk no

[true walrus]

exactly

and in mix you want to boost all the stats

if you have 1 jewel slot, army hp is the better way to do that

AS IT BOOSTS MORE THAN ONE TYPE OF TROOP

the army hp doesnt scale more, nor am i trying to imply that

im saying its more beneficial because it affects more than 1 troop type

which if im getting 2 troop types hit

its doubly effective because... its hitting double the troop types... go figure

1 troop type.. x2... 2... double?

[sly narwhal]

Nope you get same results

[true walrus]

idk how you cant comprehend that and keep relying on ai to keep provong me right lol

its literally saying inf and rng will gain the same benefit as if you only buffed inf

yeah.. they both recieve the same hp boost lol congrats

[solid swallow]

That's only in army atk

Not army HP

[true walrus]

how? you are increasing the entire armies hp arent you?

so not just your infantry is stronger, but also your ranged?

so how is that not also gaining a benefit?

[solid swallow]

Did you just jump over both AIs responses?

I'm neutral and they are even more neutral

[true walrus]

your ai responses are saying the same thing im implying

i just cant explain it well because of my learning difficulties

[solid swallow]

Chat GPT literally said you are not saying the same thing

[solid swallow]

.

[sly narwhal]

You don't get double hp boost in the case of mix

[true walrus]

because you are showing them the worst example of what ive said 😂

im not saying u get 30%

you get 15% on inf and 15% on rng dont you?

or does it work as 7.5 on inf and 7.5 on rng

THAT is what im asking

[solid swallow]

I showed this

[true walrus]

yeah and thats the worst part lol

[solid swallow]

Wdym worst part

You didn't say it ?

[true walrus]

i have no idea how to word it in a way that makes sense to you but that was my first attempt

[true walrus]

answer me this instead of trying to prove me wrong

[solid swallow]

Can we agree that we're all misunderstood what you want to say? So can you explain it now

[sly narwhal]

15% army hp is 15% boost on the mix troop type you're sending

[true walrus]

yes because im autistic trying to explain things is not my strong point lol

[solid swallow]

One complete sentence

Bro what does being autistic have to do with being wronf

[true walrus]

when did i mention wrong in that message

i said explaining things

[sly narwhal]

My thought is that it gives 15% hp to inf, cav and rng

[solid swallow]

You said something wrong and kept insisting that everyone was saying what you are saying when they are not

[true walrus]

you don't know that, because you said you don't understand what im saying

[solid swallow]

I give up

[true walrus]

so, in theory, you would gain a boost of 15% TOTAL, 7.5 on inf and 7.5 on rng? or does it work as if you added 15% to your inf hp aswell as 15 to your rng hp?

[sly narwhal]

So in not less than 500 words can you try repeating your question for layd to answer

[solid swallow]

I gave you countless opportunities to say it correctly so you can't say I misunderstood you and yet still going on

This

Is wrong

[true walrus]

okay let me try a scenario, you are in rng phal and you have the 15% army hp

your rng gets hit, its buffed by 15% correct?

[sly narwhal]

As if you added 15% to your inf hp and rng hp. My opinions though

[true walrus]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

SO ITS DOUBLY EFFECTIVE?

like it doesnt double your army hp stat, but for THAT SPECIFIC USE CASE ITS BETTER

[open coral]

Stop with the caps lil bro

[true walrus]

didnt ask

[open coral]

https://tenor.com/view/how-you-felt-hero-tough-tough-guy-how-you-felt-after-saying-that-gif-12464623776561746518

[sly narwhal]

Basically gives a 15% boost to individual troop hp

[true walrus]

real shit

[true walrus]

yes thats right thats what im thinking

whereas cav atk for example is boosting only the cav atk

[sly narwhal]

Yes

[true walrus]

thats why i said its doubly effective because i think if both inf hp and rng hp is buffed by 15%, then surely that is more effective than the single atk jewel?

doubly meaning, the army hp is applied twice, to both inf and rng

as the ai suggests, it is applied to the troops taking damage

inf+rng, 2, two, double

do i make any sense now

[sly narwhal]

Not exactly

But I get your point now

[open coral]

Bruh

[true walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-brick-sponge-bob-square-pants-like-a-bag-of-bricks-like-a-ton-of-bricks-gif-4475886

thankyou, you understand.. kind of

[open coral]

What are y'all talking about anyway, wrap it up

[slate rock]

I just came online

[true walrus]

literally just this lol

[open coral]

Same

[sly narwhal]

Yeah kind of

[true walrus]

but i was struggling to explain it on a way that could be understood by others, so to them im just speaking nonsense

like army atk is an entirely different story, its just applied to everything as, assuming the ai would say this, that the the atk will be applied to anything that is actively... attacking

[sly narwhal]

@solid swallow I can see you're on

[open coral]

[solid swallow]

Is this your way of explaining it ?

Because it's wrong, it's not doubly effective

[true walrus]

explain how

if it affects 2 troops

2 being double of 1

then please tell me how the hp isnt being applied to 2 troops, if 2 troops are being hit instead of 1

your ai said it effects all the troops that are hit

as you have repeatedly shown

if 2 troops are hit, its effecting... double the amount of troops

[solid swallow]

50% is 0.5 , right?

0.5 multiplied by 15% for inf, plus 0.5 multiplied by 15% for range , Equals 15%

That's assuming 50% of Inf were hit , and then 50% range

That could be 100% inf , and the total would always be 15%

So the jewel's impact on the battle is ALWAYS 15%

[open coral]

The devs really need to nerf you

[sly narwhal]

[solid swallow]

They're certainly are with the luck I've been having on my accounts

Dyno stfu

It's a gif you bot

[sly narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-cat-happy-cat-smile-gif-3555983607747631247

[sly narwhal]

So the jewels effects is from the number of specified troops, inf, cav, rng and the amount of dmg they actually take

Not just a raw 15% additive stat to each troop hp

[solid swallow]

Henry I think you're trolling

Wdymmm

[sly narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-gif-16028248189944099932

[eager mortar]

For your purpose of deciding which carries more value in your endeavors. You can think to yourself that it’s twice as effective if more than 1 line takes damage. You’re speaking in terms of stat application. In reality however, 15% army Hp is 15% hp. It doesn’t necessarily count as 30% because you know 2 lines are receiving damage, both lines receiving damage are buffed with 15% hp.

[karmic stratus]

One day

[steel owl]

Good luck

[last widget]

is eternal codex worth it?

[eager mortar]

It’s the only available non champ piece that’s good for range and 055.

[open coral]

[last widget]

ah alright thank you

im f2p so and i get alot of skulls

[steel owl]

and the only thing that is worth with those materials as well

[eager mortar]

True, wasn’t thinking about that tbh haha

[karmic stratus]

Not interested in the blade anyway, won't be useful unless orange

[pearl fossil]

?warn @gusty salmon bot command in guild chat

[rain venture]

thedeputyceo has been warned. || bot command in guild chat

[gusty salmon]

Oh fantastic, I just noticed it in the screen shot. Gotta love being reported for someone else’s cheats.

[pearl fossil]

Hey its you posting the picture, not them

[gusty salmon]

No problem at all, next time I will remember to properly investigate my screen shots first like my membership depends on it.

[dreamy wadi]

just go to gazette

only noodle hits can appear there

[eager mortar]

Blade is actually a great piece, of course it’s best at orange.. when mine is orange I’ll even consider it for my defensive mix set.. additional attack, some hp. Great stat booster.

[karmic stratus]

Well that's why I said it won't be useful unless it's orange?

[mortal flume]

Nah gray is the best

[steel owl]

I just got it green

I wish I coudld go back to gray

And im getting too close to blue..

You should have tell me before

[shy onyx]

Got a legendary fire from 5$ hunting pack, is it better to spend it for Legendary mace or spread it on Helmet and main hand

Already have my mace purple

[mortal flume]

<@&917948198297944104>

[hollow lark]

?warn @tropic turret referral link spam

[rain venture]

majestic_starfish_46672 has been warned. || referral link spam

[stray carbon]

I would go for Energy Saver Stat anyday anytime

[steel owl]

Really ?

I would go for DMG

saver stats are so low

[mortal flume]

dmg anytime

[rocky knoll]

saver and waste all energy daily max hitting a lvl4 instead of killing monster in a guild that doesn't track mh

[ebon wigeon]

How do u know what I'm doing

[rocky knoll]

i'm doing same

[ebon wigeon]

That's why I ain't getting no gifts

U ain't doing ur part 👀

[rocky knoll]

yeah not hunting on my trap

it has 1 rank 8 hero

and no gold f2p hunting heroes

so I can't be bothered

[ebon wigeon]

And here I thought hunting was automated? Can't we pay for that too?

[rocky knoll]

[rocky knoll]

I do on my main mirage op

just click to kill 12 frostwings

[ebon wigeon]

No monsters to steal in mirage

[ebon wigeon]

Bro my idiot account can't X2 a frostwing

Idk if I got the wrong heros or what, but it's a noodle

[rocky knoll]

more energy saver on trap soon

[rocky knoll]

f2p team with half gold half mythic set (right side mythic) can 2 shot

[ebon wigeon]

What the Christmas tree gear is this

[rocky knoll]

made the mistake of wasting flames on offhand early on

[ebon wigeon]

Wrong heros or something then. Cus I'm full mythic besides mainhand

[rocky knoll]

and green legs

[ebon wigeon]

U dont pick up the discount hunting?

[rocky knoll]

that acc full f2p with me not bothering to get mh chests from most f2p sources either

[ebon wigeon]

I see

[rocky knoll]

don't rly need to hunt for mats or anything so mh gear kinda optional

[ebon wigeon]

Nice nice

[rocky knoll]

and with no heroes hunting for gifts not doable

[ebon wigeon]

U telling me u haven't spent to get that chest piece either?

[rocky knoll]

nope, acc old

[ebon wigeon]

+6 hm I guess that's doable then

[rocky knoll]

it's 51 astra for 7

it's stupid cheap lol

[ebon wigeon]

Oh that's it

I thought it was more

[rocky knoll]

that's less than 150 astra to get +6

lvl 1 is 6

[ebon wigeon]

Nice niceee, I gotta start spending more to reach the next level on my firewall plate

[rocky knoll]

and I wasted like 1.5m energy on astra phantom when it was out

so i had some f2p monster astra

[ebon wigeon]

I've never seen the astra monster

[rocky knoll]

you were on break when it was out

it was stupid op

[ebon wigeon]

Ye

[rocky knoll]

likely won't ever be back tho so

[ebon wigeon]

Dang, give me

[rocky knoll]

[ebon wigeon]

I need like 260 astra

For the next firewall plate upgrade

[rocky knoll]

I can do +7 on the small thing

but need to do it during paragon

to get some free monster astra back

[ebon wigeon]

U working on heros on that account too?

[rocky knoll]

they done

[ebon wigeon]

With paragon I mean

[rocky knoll]

nah I'm not wasting consumables pushing troops with infirms during paragon

[ebon wigeon]

Yeah like what idiot would do that 🙄🙄🙄

[rocky knoll]

330 medals is not realistic without spending extra on consumables or staying farmer mode with manors

and the stat gain isn't rly worth it

[ebon wigeon]

Yeah, it's gonna cost a lot of everything for a f2p acc to get it done

[rocky knoll]

I'm saving speeds to rebuild when it gets zeroed and using gems on jewels/tokens for mats to get mythic helmet

[ebon wigeon]

I'm literally laying on a couch outside rn

[ebon wigeon]

U getting close?

[open coral]

Me too, I'm in the basement rn tho lol

[rocky knoll]

to helmet yes

to getting zeroed too

[ebon wigeon]

Free leg pic

[rocky knoll]

up to 7.6m in sanc

[open coral]

Too sunny to go out

[ebon wigeon]

Saving it rallies or what?

[ebon wigeon]

It's black out here

[rocky knoll]

keeping might low

[ebon wigeon]

18 gold embers? Pinballs?

[rocky knoll]

got enuff troops

[rocky knoll]

some yeah, some from doing 50 chests every CA and 20 chests every DN crusade

[ebon wigeon]

I'm close too

[rocky knoll]

that's 70 f2p chests every 3 weeks and been a while since my last mythic piece

[rocky knoll]

nice on main I'm sitting on 2 very useful mythic ones

[ebon wigeon]

Not making an even amount of T2 inf/Cav?

[ebon wigeon]

Ah man, I only got one mythic... To broke

[rocky knoll]

need more cav than inf, not planning to take hits on inf front

[ebon wigeon]

Not even the times when u got time to counter?

[rocky knoll]

than I will but 5m is enuff to take 1 range rally

but those don't rly get sent

all my recent rallies are inf, mix, mix, cav, mix

[ebon wigeon]

I mean fair, but I had a bunch of idiots set a range rally on Athens

[rocky knoll]

can just range phal them on range nr2 if they dumb enough to keep sending those

[ebon wigeon]

1.7/1.8m range rally. Walked into 4.2m T4/T5. No T2 in that account at all

Did 280K dmg

I was sitting there giggling, never seen anything that bad

[rocky knoll]

the 7.6m I have in sanc has some t4 in it left which is big part of why I don't want to take them out

[ebon wigeon]

I see

[rocky knoll]

I made too much t4 rebuilding the acc after it got zeroed last time

[ebon wigeon]

I keep putting T4 in sanctuary cus I forget to heal

[karmic stratus]

Any idea when next 120 could be?

[ebon wigeon]

Didn't u quit

[karmic stratus]

I need to make all manors and then fix troops after idiots gave up hitting me

[rocky knoll]

my trap has a new friend

[karmic stratus]

Account was in cavalry equipment economy talents and archer wedge with no anti scout and some big fatties raided kingdom and gave up after a few hits

[open coral]

You ain't

[rocky knoll]

some 1.5b random just reloed next to me

big scary

[ebon wigeon]

Twice the amount of troops my account had, but still a awful hit

[open coral]

[ebon wigeon]

Archer wedge, what the

[ebon wigeon]

Donate me a gold ember

[karmic stratus]

Yeah they got me good and then gave up

[open coral]

[ebon wigeon]

Idk what event it was from, but I opened like 4 boxes of embers. 1 by 1. Last one gave me a gold

[open coral]

Lucky

[ebon wigeon]

#CD??

Biu Biu's guild?

[rocky knoll]

they big dead now

[karmic stratus]

Leaching

Accounts broke

[ebon wigeon]

Bro decided to take life serious

[karmic stratus]

[ebon wigeon]

What's the next champ piece on the account?

[karmic stratus]

Probably won't do any more

Faith 6/14 but even if I get the manes I dont care enough to save up 41 embers

Since I have a terrorshield and a third cup to make orange yet as well

Since other account has chest makes me not want to do chest at all

[round plank]

what gear I need to use astra first?

[karmic stratus]

Looks like you already started

[round plank]

yes but where should I be going next I need some advice

[karmic stratus]

I'll help but only if you help me I dont know what research I should start first

[upper viper]

The uninstall button research that one

[karmic stratus]

Why when I hardly open the game anyway

[upper viper]

Then why play it

[karmic stratus]

I dont really

[upper viper]

People should take notes here

[sly narwhal]

👀

[sly narwhal]

Go with wall super useful

[mortal flume]

you already put astra it's like asking which gear piece should i make first

[mortal flume]

ahahahah maxed wall research

[karmic stratus]

Yeah may as well since there's nothing to do besides advanced wonders and mana and advanced wonders has 2 left

Makes exchange nice and easy to do as well

[stray carbon]

Diabolical Response

[patent silo]

What does blast mean? More on attack stat?

[solid swallow]

Going full in , with one of the three troop types

A range blast has 4 range heroes , range equipment, range familiars , range talents etc etc

Although a blast does have something called buffers or cushion

They are about 4-1000 of the other troop types, and they exist just to waste the enemy attack on them

Because the enemy hits one squad at a time

[sly narwhal]

Why 4 👀

In rng blast I go 5 range, goblin, tracker, snow queen, black crow and death archer

[steel owl]

Because there is 4 squads of each troop type ^^ the last one can be your leader wich should be army heros

[slate rock]

Send 69 decoys for extra damage

[sly narwhal]

Why 69

[slate rock]

It works 100% of the time

[sly narwhal]

69 buffers usually go with 1000

[steel owl]

Someone needs to explain me what are really buffers lol

[sly narwhal]

Other troops

In a Rng blast buffers could be 1k inf and cav

[slate rock]

If you send cavalry attack
You add 69 inf and 69 range
Those inf and range are "buffer/decoy"

Decoys can be of any number tbh
Some send 4 some 1000 some even add 10k lol

[sly narwhal]

Don't forget your seige for more successful walkbacks

[slate rock]

Yes 69 siege

[sly narwhal]

5k each buffer isn't much right

[slate rock]

It's a lot atleast for me

[sly narwhal]

[steel owl]

But why do you add buffers ?

To be targeted 1st ?

[solid swallow]

There's only 4 squads , the 5th hero won't be assigned a squad so it'll just get boosts but no tactic skills

[deep turtle]

#🏹┊equipment

#🚨┊hell-alerts 🚨┊hell-alerts

[sly narwhal]

Alright but isn't it better to add another hero for the extra boosts even if they don't engage

[deep turtle]

#🚨┊hell-alerts

[sly narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/how-drunk-are-you-right-now-drunk-not-sober-wasted-jon-taffer-gif-13750332

[solid swallow]

That 5th hero is usually your leader , if you change to range hero each time people will see it

[sly narwhal]

And best hero for lead is an army hero

Now I get it

[dreamy wadi]

Adding 69 of each buffer gives style points

[torn flame]

For those that want to check gear stat and simulate your latest gear(emp gear, new monster gear and tempered gear) with jewel, feel free to check out the link below. Do note that this is not an official tool by IGG but a community made.

• Added calculator(A bit better when calculating everything at once rather than doing it every time compared to official tool, its not perfect but usable)
• Now can save the gear and load it anytime or share the link with others!(just like pastebin^^)
• Added gear set ranking(based on community's saved gear set)
  Link: https://gearsim.pages.dev

Should looks bit better than before as well on phone

[ivory eagle]

/decoy

[solid swallow]

• Cost-effective → Means something achieves the desired result for a reasonable cost.
  👉 Focus: value for money.
  Example: A solar panel system may be expensive upfront, but if it saves more on electricity bills over its lifetime than it costs, it’s cost-effective.

• Cost-efficient → Means something is done using the least possible resources (time, money, effort) without waste.
  👉 Focus: minimizing waste and maximizing output.
  Example: A factory process that produces goods with very little material waste and low energy use is cost-efficient.

🔑 In short:

• Cost-effective = “Worth it” (good return on investment).
• Cost-efficient = “No waste” (optimized use of resources).

[last widget]

is dragon fist or mitts better

the fist looks better

[karmic stratus]

Both are good, but generally mittens are better

[last widget]

why? i seen the atk is alot better and the mitts hp are just a little better

[rocky knoll]

27 atk Vs 11 army hp and 56 army Def and 72 inf Def, I know everyone hates def but it's not so bad that at a 1:20 ratio atk is better than it

Fist is an option if you're struggling to get enough cav stats in your mix set just not overall better

[last widget]

ah alright thank you

the set im going for has the least amount of cav atk

[karmic stratus]

Then you would maybe benefit from fist

[last widget]

its about 55% less atk then rng/inf mythic without jewels or astra

[stray carbon]

Dark Aegis vs Dragon Fist

[mortal flume]

? Wtf

Those have literally different use

One has inf atk and army atk other has cav atk I think cav Def and army max hp

[stray carbon]

Which one is better in mix

[solid swallow]

I use dragon fist for inf too

[sly narwhal]

[stray carbon]

Army atk is ass?

[steel owl]

I use call of the deap

[solid swallow]

I'm saying that dragon fist is that much better

[stray carbon]

Ok got it

My mitts is grey

[solid swallow]

It was a sarcastic way of saying it

[stray carbon]

While this both are Gold so I am asking

[steel owl]

Isnt dragon fist the best to defend 122 range phal ?

Like for fillers with this kind of comp dragon fist is really good, even better than mitts ?

[solid swallow]

Most people benefit more from fist than anything else

[mortal flume]

Just get your mitts to +12

Easy as that

[steel owl]

1st need to get them to gold

Lucky on everything except mitts

[mortal flume]

Not expensive

[steel owl]

And champ

[mortal flume]

Cheapest and also one the best off hand

If not the best

[steel owl]

Only got this in stock for moment

[mortal flume]

That army hp is juicy

[mortal flume]

You need 15k monster astra for +12

[steel owl]

I think the fist is better when you are in 122 range wedge

[mortal flume]

Astra 12 is 7900

[steel owl]

Make both and no worries 🤣

[steel owl]

[steel owl]

Maybe with some gambling and luck..

[mortal flume]

Nooe

Nope that's the full astra price

[steel owl]

[mortal flume]

With 12 100% ones

I got it for like 3.5k monster astra lol

[steel owl]

Okay, but if I gamble and get lucky, might work better

[steel owl]

huh

[mortal flume]

I might get +15 for the price of 10k monster astra

[steel owl]

I hope for you

[mortal flume]

Just 3 100% no need for hope

[ebon wigeon]

U don't got that finished yet?

[mortal flume]

Nah I did a bit of astra on stupid wrym rod and fist

Never used them lol

Fist is just fake gear

If I don't use astra on wrym rod I would have gotten +15 mitts

[ebon wigeon]

I don't even remember if I got a wyrm rod

[steel owl]

Someone did exactly the same on my kingdom 🤣

[steel owl]

Cheap to make

And the coronet isnt expensive, you get materials from the fire trial

Before getting jewels

[ebon wigeon]

At that might, just sit in real gear unless real is X8 mythic champ

[mortal flume]

You get max 1,5 golds out of that

[karmic stratus]

Wyrm rod is nice to temper

[ebon wigeon]

I'm trying to upgrade my katar

[karmic stratus]

Ew

[mortal flume]

Wow

Codex 2.0

[ebon wigeon]

Made the best piece for training speed only

[karmic stratus]

[steel owl]

already that Lol

[karmic stratus]

Stopped my offhand at blue and purple

Poopy equipment

[ebon wigeon]

Mine is blue, spent more on spin event than it would cost to upgrade it to purple

[steel owl]

That is his real gear

[karmic stratus]

Damn using speed accessories in the real gear is rough

[mortal flume]

Crazy that he has those accessories

[steel owl]

Oh yeah no, he has other accessories

But the rest is real

[mortal flume]

It's like my fake lol

[steel owl]

Jewels on fake

rich people thing

[karmic stratus]

Wyrm rod nice

[steel owl]

nice timber production rate

[ebon wigeon]

Wood hyper incoming

[mortal flume]

I'm already full gold cav so no point in having them without any use

[mortal flume]

Better than crusher imo

[karmic stratus]

Agree

[steel owl]

Nice, not my case

[steel owl]

of course

Strong and cheap range piece

[karmic stratus]

This staying gold forever

[steel owl]

Embers, always embers

[karmic stratus]

No I just won't upgrade it

Have better things to spend my free to play embers on

[mortal flume]

I like the jewels tho

Have those in my fake mitts

[karmic stratus]

My mix is great

[mortal flume]

I can suggest these jewels

[steel owl]

lovely

[mortal flume]

Blue army atk jewel is hilarious

[mortal flume]

Oh yeah missing a few jewels

Not enough wall Def and hp jewels

[karmic stratus]

Not rich enough for full jewels

[steel owl]

share with me if you got too much materials

[karmic stratus]

I only have like 50 to 60 of each ultra rare across both accounts

[steel owl]

[mortal flume]

I would rather ask for ambers than rare materials

Will need for stupid champ boots and firewall plate

[karmic stratus]

I need terror seeds so embers useless to me

[mortal flume]

1 good 7 day bargain store would be cool now

[karmic stratus]

Agree, need 3 green champ jewels

[mortal flume]

With the old stuff crimson mane chests etc

[steel owl]

I need everything, give me what you got and dont use 🤣

[mortal flume]

I have a blue if you want it

[karmic stratus]

Need the game to hit me with a generous blue

[steel owl]

Yeah, same here

[mortal flume]

Just spend tokens during the champ rotation you might get lucky with the chests

[karmic stratus]

I dont have tokens, I haven't bought tokens in like 7 or 8 months

[mortal flume]

You have gems tho

[karmic stratus]

I just take champion chests everywhere they appear, not going to spend money to try get a single blue jewel

[mortal flume]

Actually I have 2 blues

[karmic stratus]

Yeah not really a good trade value of gems spent per champ chest gained

[mortal flume]

Until this it's pretty cheap

After this upgrade it's like crusher to +3 and +4 price

[ebon wigeon]

Gamble, no balls

[karmic stratus]

They are cheap full stop

[mortal flume]

It's cheap compared to other +13-15 prices but compared to other stat gains nah

[mortal flume]

I don't gamble since I lost 97% gamble

[karmic stratus]

I always gamble champion. I like the cheap tempering

[mortal flume]

It was for +11 rod

[ebon wigeon]

You should have done a bunch of 3%

One would hit

[mortal flume]

I will gamble on champ boots tho

[cerulean harbor]

is 1.2k stats good for a rally lead

[mortal flume]

No

If mix yes

[karmic stratus]

1,2k blast is still nice in some kingdoms, but most rally leads have minimum of 1,3k blasts now

[cerulean harbor]

how much blast or whats expectations for a rally leads these days

[cerulean harbor]

with what fams or heros

[mortal flume]

1.3 is pretty easy to achieve as a lead

[karmic stratus]

Beg to differ, Im throttled at 1,2

[karmic stratus]

All pact 5, jade wyrm, shields etc. The necessities

[mortal flume]

No champ pieces needed for 1.3

[ebon wigeon]

Uh max that research? Any extra stats there?

[karmic stratus]

No just super high tempering on the blasts which costs stupid money

[mortal flume]

Artifact lvls

[karmic stratus]

Not that much probably like +20 total

[mortal flume]

Just need decent tempering and great artifacts

[hexed vigil]

Wow rlly? What does a lead these days need

[karmic stratus]

1,3k blasts and the fams.

[hexed vigil]

Bc im in the same situation trying to join back the game

[mortal flume]

At least 1k mix

[hexed vigil]

Hmm whats these new army stats as well

[karmic stratus]

Only if you want to do wonders

[mortal flume]

I mean that's the best part of the game

[hexed vigil]

I need a guild rally lead for WoWs and stuff with around 20peicr champ

[karmic stratus]

20 piece is unnecessary

[hexed vigil]

Is the game even alive anymore lol

[mortal flume]

Ahahhaha

4pc is enough

[hexed vigil]

For 1.5k??

[karmic stratus]

Yes and no, dead in most areas and alive in some

[mortal flume]

No champ 1.3k possible

[steel owl]

Is it cheaper to do it without or with champ 🤣

[karmic stratus]

Not full champ sure, but 4 piece champ easily can be done in 1,3k

[hexed vigil]

Yh thought so with these new upgrades and manos stuff

[karmic stratus]

Can't be wonder lead without champ

[mortal flume]

4pc champ will be able to do wonder too

[hexed vigil]

Yh

[mortal flume]

Actually you can

[karmic stratus]

Not really

Any champ just gaps you on army stats

[mortal flume]

We have someone who hits like a tank knocks out 3-4 pc champ without champ gear lol

[hexed vigil]

Is it worth investing 2-3k then on a 1.5k lead

[karmic stratus]

Look at target down for example

Guy had full artifacts castle stars and 15 monster gear

Getting killed by mediocre full champs

[hexed vigil]

Im playing for fun and the vibes with a wallet thats why

[karmic stratus]

I'll message

[hexed vigil]

The content on yt looks like the games hella alive

[mortal flume]

Against full champ he won't win but against 3-5 pc he can if he plays it good

Could show you a few reports where he knocks out pretty nice leads

Our lead not the dude you mentioned

[ebon wigeon]

That's very few kingdoms, not an active one

[mortal flume]

Most kingdoms without titans

[ebon wigeon]

Still, lots of kingdoms without titans got faiths today

U ain't fighting that without champ lol

U can blast it, but u can't hold

[mortal flume]

Again I can show reports if you don't believe it

If the player is smart he can outplay him

Mix on mix

[ebon wigeon]

Against faiths? Sure show lol

[mortal flume]

Have an old SS

He barely lost

[karmic stratus]

He barely won against what looks like a super outdated account though

[mortal flume]

Lost by 40k

[karmic stratus]

180 castle stars is still nice but zero tempers makes me think also 0 artifacts

[mortal flume]

Our lead has 0 mythic champ

[karmic stratus]

Show inside if you can

[mortal flume]

It's like a 6-7 months old ss

[karmic stratus]

Nevermind then you cant show inside

[mortal flume]

Will be hard to show lol

[hexed vigil]

Feel like its more playstyle and brains compared to stats

[ebon wigeon]

Imma take that as a no if that's all u can show lol

Have a good one, I'm off

[mortal flume]

Lmao

[karmic stratus]

It is for the most part

My poopy filler account can blast 6 piece champs way stronger than it but cant do mix versus mix

[mortal flume]

The SS is from January 24th

[dreamy wadi]

see i told ya im a filler

even tho 190 blessed do 3m dmg on full counter while im not even in war gear

[ebon wigeon]

Ur a rally lead in my eyes

[dreamy wadi]

chunky filler

[upper viper]

With the correct jewels what % could I reach? 900%?

[karmic stratus]

Probably not 900

[upper viper]

I think both sets are at 700% currently with talents.

[karmic stratus]

Yeah probably reach like 840 or 850

[sly narwhal]

860 average

That's getting gold mh jewels as well

[mortal flume]

90% extra stats just from the gold cav atk and gold garg if you replace the garg jewels with gold can reach 110

extra %

[sly narwhal]

Are mh jewels really hard to get

[karmic stratus]

Terror and wyrm no

Gargantuan jewels I hate

[mortal flume]

just buy assault jewel chests and easy

sack of jewels help too

[upper viper]

I haven't bought any packs in like 2 years

[sly narwhal]

Nah I'm f2p also

Haven't gold 1 gold either

[karmic stratus]

Gargantuan jewels easily the worst because I have like 5 gold terror jewels in my cabinet

[mortal flume]

good inf jewels LOL

[karmic stratus]

Why would I jewel blasts properly

[mortal flume]

and you need those 5

hit harder

50% extra atk

[upper viper]

What you get with that

[karmic stratus]

Im not a main lead albeit even a backup lead so I dont need to add 50% attack

[sly narwhal]

Around 1200

[karmic stratus]

1,200s

[upper viper]

I don't care much for blasts but I like the flashy colours of it being gold

Since my mix is fully gold/mythic I want blasts to look the same

[karmic stratus]

Not jeweling firewall for infantry blasts when soon my terrorshield will be orange +9

And a gold faith with a champ jewel and regular attack jewel is better than a book jewelled

[upper viper]

You don't have mythic terror shield yet?

[sly narwhal]

Terror shield and Garg belt one of the hardest pieces to mythic

[karmic stratus]

Just a few things

[upper viper]

Just surprising as you have +3 mythic champ almost

[karmic stratus]

Won't do these either

[sly narwhal]

You're not planning on getting the third cup mythic

[karmic stratus]

No need

[upper viper]

You plan on getting more champ

[karmic stratus]

Have a +12 ring for range, and a book for infantry

Or I keep using faith instead of book/cup

[sly narwhal]

Do you use 3 rings in rng

[karmic stratus]

Just finish faith and probably not

[karmic stratus]

+12 ring better than a low temper cup, especially if I keep it jewelled I can use it for things like 055/082

[sly narwhal]

Your blast is set apart from the gold faith lol

[karmic stratus]

Hard to say a temper 1 or 2 cup would be be better than a gold/eventually orange faith

I min max everything around my mix since it isn't a necessity for me to have stronger blasts

[broken lagoon]

Temper faith

Almost there to mythic

[rocky knoll]

seeds are a bish, you need to spend for them specifically since they don't drop in any of the pure rares chests

[eager mortar]

I was gonna say that it’s difficult to believe you’re getting 1200s with that. Then I realized you’re mostly jeweled attack

With decent temper too

[lean edge]

Does my fake look realistic?

[rocky knoll]

Yes very, your 7 very f2p pieces match the champ chest, gold P2P hero and castle stars perfectly I would believe it

[lean edge]

Nice

This my real gear they won’t expect it

[open coral]

Change the chest with something else

[rocky knoll]

bbbbut food

[stray carbon]

I don't see much difference between your real & fake tbh

[sly narwhal]

I'm not one to talk but you sure about that offhand for mix

[lean edge]

That’s also a fake lol

[sly narwhal]

If this is also fake its pretty convincing

[lean edge]

[lean edge]

0 astra on blight ring too sketchy

[sly narwhal]

Now this I believe

[open coral]

Knew it

[sly narwhal]

2 skull crushers

[lean edge]

Could’ve had enough brains to get this mythic if i didn’t make 3 scrolls for shits and giggle

[sly narwhal]

Mythic +10 plate here already giving away much lol

[lean edge]

Talking abt food this my gear for when i go offline and my food isn’t full

Produce some food to send to my bank when i wake up

[stray carbon]

Now this is believable shit

[eager mortar]

My fake

[open coral]

What's your main

[eager mortar]

To be fair, there’s like 1 piece in there that I use for my main. And you’re probably expecting at least 4-6 piece champ. But it’s not lol

[open coral]

Btw sigils on main is crazy work

[open coral]

Lemme guess it's the chest

[eager mortar]

Incorrect, It’s the mitts 😂😂😂

[open coral]

Makes sense, it's at 15

[eager mortar]

There you go

[open coral]

So you built a champ to make a fake

[eager mortar]

I built a champ to hold food when I want lol. Never did I imagine that I would put it as my fake set. But if you were to see my account,
Making purple and gold gear is sort of out of the question. So I think having this 1 piece champ and full mythic is the most realistic fake set I can get. Even in fake I can still defend, but if a max came at me Id rather use my true mix.

[open coral]

Oohhh makes sense

[thin drum]

Real or fake? 🥸

[slate rock]

Fake

[solid swallow]

Ironically real especially if it's a newish account

[thin drum]

can go 1593

first guy was right tho

i am just hideing my army hp a lil XD

[thin drum]

What put you off on it?

[ebon wigeon]

The amount of astra on boots /chest compared to book/blight

[slate rock]

Artifacts, star scroll + the astra on your champ gears ^_^

[rocky knoll]

most people don't use beasthelm in their main mix when they have +15 champ

[steel owl]

harder and more expensive to temper all those champ than accessories

And he must have faith if he spent so much for champ

[mortal flume]

Want to see a thick account without champ pieces ?

[slate rock]

Yes

[mortal flume]

Check dms

[thin drum]

i never made bumble lol so its kinda all i got hahaha

[thin drum]

i have a +13 cup i can put instead of book and i mean blight is gonna be 15 soon eneugh

[rocky knoll]

when making a new account and planning to do champ helm that's pretty normal but for fake gear purposes it looks sus since people who don't plan a champ helm tend to use it for the extra hp

[thin drum]

yea i could make it mithic but unless i use astra on it it looks worse then beat helm

[solid swallow]

Like I meant to say , I've seen people use THAT for real

[thin drum]

ik(Chinobar)

[solid swallow]

Except one hihihi

[rocky knoll]

ravi runs beasthelm in his setup too

just not very common

I should run beasthelm on my alt if I wanted best possible stat totals but it ruins my mix balance even more than it's already been ruined without it

[thin drum]

damn fake gear could be a 866 yk i was honestly expecting it to be more fucked up

[thin drum]

polars are nice but soo expensive 😢

[rocky knoll]

yeah nah those are pain

[ebon wigeon]

use the special labby

[rocky knoll]

it's 18k tokens to go from 0 to gold

and it's in tokens not lab

[ebon wigeon]

easy :p

[thin drum]

only thing i will ever do with tokens is venom

[rocky knoll]

dune cores

[thin drum]

Polar will get done with time im only missing like 3 golds

[thin drum]

they are such a pain

[rocky knoll]

they don't come in any of the pure rare chests

so literally have to do them in tycoon

[thin drum]

yea

i mean if u start fresh now with that material mayhem pack

u can do all peices at onceincludeing venom and polar

but i dont want that lol

[rocky knoll]

you get some but the rates are horrible in the specific chests

I had 2 gold total added up in 10k chests

[thin drum]

im like 9/15 to gold

but i havent used any tokens

[thin drum]

thats crazy

i think cav MH after blessing what do you think?

[rocky knoll]

on my main I'm 7/15 to gold

[thin drum]

u gave me wonder advice when i started this acc lol

[rocky knoll]

I remember ;p

inf range sword is more stat total

everyone runs that in setups nowadays

[thin drum]

ik but have +15 crusher and want for 569

[rocky knoll]

I like cav sword but I know a bunch of people will shout at me if I agree

[thin drum]

and if i put inf rng swond on my gear high cav is gonna be a pain

i will do both anyways jsut dont know wich first

[rocky knoll]

with the crusher at 15 cav for sure

[thin drum]

i cant decide

[ebon wigeon]

do u have the cost of taking the crusher up?

[thin drum]

its +15

[ebon wigeon]

i can see that, mine is at 7 so i got a bit of work to do lol

[thin drum]

its like the cup

[thin drum]

last lvl 14.xk

[ebon wigeon]

yea uhm, cup and mainhand is the same lol

[thin drum]

i won gamba with 3k lol

the gambles ive hit is kinda crazy

all small ones fail and big ones hit idk

[rocky knoll]

[ebon wigeon]

I've hit some small ones lol

i mean, low %

[thin drum]

oh no like small/big as in astra cost

my champ helm +15 was gamba

boots 15 and 14 too lol

[rocky knoll]

On big fat account I've been running 569 with this, sometimes swapping offhand to venom for cav phal to get more hp and range atk since it usually ends in cav on cav

[thin drum]

all like 30-40% but it hit(not advice)

[thin drum]

yea but i have only 2 faith not 3 and tbh i dont plan on makeing champ offhand

[ebon wigeon]

I did some blast pieces (on a rally trap) with 1% and 7% Don't need them, fun to have

[rocky knoll]

Not worth imo, just make venom

[thin drum]

yea but in that cas i need something else to boost cav

[rocky knoll]

Cav sword + venom, and eventually 3rd faith

[thin drum]

i was thinking i just run my mitts inf cav jewld and venom rng inf

[rocky knoll]

Accessory options are great, being able to swap those around is crazy nice

[ebon wigeon]

Why 3rd faith? Why not build some of the other pieces?

(Other accessories)

[thin drum]

Discord be wierd

[rocky knoll]

The couple scenarios I've tested venom outperformed mitts every time, might be good to jewel it with an army atk if you get one of those eventually and an inf jewel and than you could use it in both sets

[thin drum]

i am makeing blessing as 3rd

just mitts for 569 venom for like 866 and all that stuffs

[thin drum]

i didnt wanna have all faiths since it limits you so much

[rocky knoll]

Yeah not saying to make one instead of blessing just to do one as nr4

[rocky knoll]

This acc has 7 accessories+12 or better

[ebon wigeon]

It was mainly a question to Kari regarding his comment
"Cav sword + venom, and eventually 3rd faith"

[rocky knoll]

Needs cav stats to if he runs venom

[thin drum]

i was thinking of doing valor as the 4th assessory tbh

cause faith faith valor nice too for 569

[rocky knoll]

The 3 faith setup above with venom is getting low cav

[rocky knoll]

That works too, would make 082 and other 055 style comps stronger and they are pretty popular nowadays

[thin drum]

yea that was my thaught process

[rocky knoll]

main concern would be having cav stats on an accessory so valor does that for you

and than you can sleep in 1 each type accessory setup and have people laugh at you for it

[glass ingot]

Snake offhand too hard for accounts like me ;((

So mitts give best result possible.

[glass ingot]

John runs those. He not make 4th accessory yet.

[solid swallow]

Champ hand isn't useless btw

It's just , optional

You use it sometimes, and other times you don't

Same with mitts , serpent etc

[eager mortar]

I’ve begun experimenting with using my serpent offhands.. and even my necrosis offhands when attacking forts. The added attack generally works well, I’ll switch to mitts when defending

[solid swallow]

The last sentence doesn't make any sense

Whether you're attacking or defending does not change how the battle is fought

[eager mortar]

Whether your attacking or defending changes which stat holds more importance

[solid swallow]

You can lose less by having more atk and lose more by having more HP

[solid swallow]

No , it doesn't

Depends on your comp

And your opponent, regardless of their comp

[eager mortar]

You saying champ jewels are useless and you’re always better off using all attack jewels?

If so, why? If not, why not?

[solid swallow]

No that's not what I said

Not at all too

[eager mortar]

Well that’s my contention between using mitts and and attack offhand. So tell me

[solid swallow]

If an 082 comes while you are holding, serpent would be much better for you than mitts

On the other hand , if you are sending the 082 yourself, mitts is way better than codex

[eager mortar]

This makes sense

[eager mortar]

Make this make sense for me

[solid swallow]

That's just how the comp works

In fact you'd rather use faiths over cups or rings

It does not need any more range atk

[eager mortar]

I wouldn’t no, but tell me why you’d choose a faith over a cup in say.. 992

[solid swallow]

What

[solid swallow]

In 082 .

[eager mortar]

Hp, army attack I guess

[tender ginkgo]

👍

[solid swallow]

Mainly HP difference

Which is what'll the range need

[eager mortar]

The attack is important as well, that’s how you’re able to break the line in 082

[rocky knoll]

wyrm rod is fun for it

but range jeweled +15 polars have been getting nicer results than mix jeweled +12 blessings

[mystic flare]

400% without forts and And 420% with forts

Don't ask me how

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[solid swallow]

If you're clearly overpowering the opponent with 082 , that might be
But I honestly think most people don't know how strong it is and how much stat gap it can cover

[solid swallow]

Wdym that's expected

[solid swallow]

There's no shortage of range atk in that comp which is how it's able to beat way stronger opponents , if used correctly ofc

[rocky knoll]

it was into emp accounts

I was the one getting stat gapped

most of them were +150-200 lvls and emp gear vs no emp gear

[broken latch]

What does 082 snipe

[rocky knoll]

everything

[solid swallow]

Anything low infantry

And that's relative

Done right , leads of similar size can have 082 win leaderless

[broken latch]

What's the setup?

[mystic flare]

[sly narwhal]

What should lead send

Full infantry or cavalry

Also 041, 131, 032 for heroes?

[mystic flare]

[solid swallow]

082 lead sends full cav
And does 041

[sly narwhal]

What wedge or phal

[ebon wigeon]

Just send without heros

[solid swallow]

Inf wedge

But you have to have snowbyyyy otherwise it's ass

[south knoll]

055 target is also the same for 082?

[solid swallow]

No. Not necessarily

055 wants low range comps

082 wants low inf

[south knoll]

How about the hero comp and familiars?

I mean the target?

055 target needs to be 221 and no snow beast right? How about 082?

[solid swallow]

Hero comp doesn't really matter although 221 would hurt a bit more

Fams you're weary mostly of drider

[south knoll]

No Inf Buffers right? And also Inf wdge too?

[solid swallow]

Yes

[hard eagle]

Guys which one is better for 884 hit?

[slate rock]

Both have different uses but shield is way better imo

[solid swallow]

Snow beast

If you don't have it , you can't use 442

[hard eagle]

And for defense?

I mean castle defense

[solid swallow]

What?

Snow beast too

[hard eagle]

Okay

[solid swallow]

Also drider is twice as expensive as snow beast

[sly narwhal]

Most times you'll need dirder is wonder rallies I think

[hard eagle]

How drider works

[solid swallow]

Actually not

[hard eagle]

Is that worth it

[solid swallow]

Most people over use it

[sly narwhal]

[solid swallow]

It is by principal a situational familiar

[slate rock]

Fr hella situational

I just use it against prey comp tbh

[sly narwhal]

Drider basically stuns enemy troops depending on the level. At max it's for 11 secs and it activated when 8% of your own troops fall

[solid swallow]

7%

[sly narwhal]

☝️

So that means drider isn't at all that useful as it's assumed to be

[solid swallow]

No , it's very very good when it works , otherwise almost useless

[rocky knoll]

very nice for holding since everyone blasts

[solid swallow]

That

[sly narwhal]

WoW rally must is Jade, shield, and stackers and/p5s

Drider doesn't really come up that easily then

[solid swallow]

The only thing that is a must there is jade

[rocky knoll]

you can do wow without stackers just can't blast there

[sly narwhal]

So not worth it

[rocky knoll]

[solid swallow]

Everything else isn't

Including p5s

[sly narwhal]

Apart from stackers mean generally 600% or 150%

[solid swallow]

Yes. P5s aren't always needed

That's what I meant

[sly narwhal]

So lead can host wow rally without any p5 just 3 shields Jade and gryphon

[rocky knoll]

haven't had that problem long enough to not have an opinion even on my alt I have all the useful ones unlocked

[solid swallow]

No bro

I'm saying

The only familiar that is ALWAYS present , is jade

[sly narwhal]

Yes and I agree with that

[solid swallow]

Everything else can be substituted

[slate rock]

Btw. How many mana crystals do I need to get lvl1 on troops?
I've maxed all the required buildings except the mana chamber.
Have 400 crystals atm

[solid swallow]

You don't agree with the ''only'' part

[rocky knoll]

8500

[slate rock]

What the fck

[rocky knoll]

after the 400 you have 8100

[slate rock]

That'll take ages 😭

[rocky knoll]

4k for building than 1.5k per troop type

[slate rock]

Well

[solid swallow]

You can do more mana research to help you a bit

While getting it

Cuz academy is lvl1

[sly narwhal]

So what I've gotten is that drider is a situational fam and isn't ALWAYS needed in certain rallies

Is drider good in castle rallies though

[rocky knoll]

it does take a while need to grab mana in most events or it'll actually take ages

[slate rock]

I got 300 crystals from the current event :3

[rocky knoll]

these ones are really nice I'm almost done on my filler after this

[solid swallow]

Very very good or uselessish

[slate rock]

I'm trying to get mana troops on both acc
That 2% will be beneficial for my rally trap right

[rocky knoll]

[sly narwhal]

So when focusing fams drider should be for if you have spare orbs not amongs top focused

[rocky knoll]

it's multiplicative so yes very nice

[solid swallow]

Yes

[slate rock]

Let's gooo

[rocky knoll]

that upgrade above is the last one btw inf and cav are done

[sly narwhal]

Then gonna skip drider on my account then

[slate rock]

Take some rally next

[rocky knoll]

might counter myself from a max acc next ca

both this and my main

[slate rock]

Looking forward for reports

[rocky knoll]

cuz supposedly my main after I fixed t4 still gets zeroed in 2 hits from a max acc

[slate rock]

What 💀

[rocky knoll]

some french guy with a max acc thinks so

[slate rock]

Fr*nch

[rocky knoll]

hopefully next hell is troops I need to make some t1 for baron while kd training boost is active

[slate rock]

Why t1?

[rocky knoll]

to do solo

for arti

[slate rock]

Aah oki

[rocky knoll]

t4/t1 marches for minimum cost

[slate rock]

You can solo in baron?

Didn't they change it?