🏹┊equipment

[eager mortar]

But not by amount of attack, by hp only. And I’ve already given that to you, champ accessories will be unmatched in terms of hp, but equal in terms of attack

[solid swallow]

15% atk over 49% HP

At that point, the HP will lead to more damage than the atk

[eager mortar]

Depending on the circumstance, if the defenders online the Hp may promote the walkback while doing less lol. If the target is offline, the attack takes precedence and the +15% inflict more casualties while the Hp would result in less kills and less attacker casualties. Don’t generalize the effect of stats, because each stat has its place where it shines lol

If you told me that overall, cav champion accessories would give you a better result than rowdy reserves. I would agree with you, but a mix jeweled faith with less att? Depends on the situation

[solid swallow]

What you said is true when comparing 1:1 , not 3:1

[eager mortar]

Attack is up 5x more effective when looking at direct counters. Hp is up to 4x effective when the defender counters. Those casualties are real numbers, so 3:1 does not matter in that circumstance

[solid swallow]

No?? What

[eager mortar]

Yup

[solid swallow]

Counter boosts doesn't affect hp
There's base 30% , 30% from research and 30% from hero and jade
How counter boosts work is increase your atk and decrease theirs by 1.9 and 0.1
Meaning if cav hits inf , your cavalry atk becomes normal cav x1.9, and their infantry atk becomes inf atk x0.1

Although it may seem similar, it's not the same as affecting HP

[eager mortar]

I’m not talking about counter boosts. I’m referring to the effect of attack when countering vs the effect of hp when getting countered

[solid swallow]

If you wanna take less damage from a counter , your only hope is more HP

[eager mortar]

Both from the attacker standpoint

[solid swallow]

Where did you get x5 stat from

[eager mortar]

Briefs

[solid swallow]

Yes?

[eager mortar]

Crystal Briefs

[solid swallow]

Ik him lol

Sukepann

[eager mortar]

So do I lol

[solid swallow]

I'm saying, what is the argument based upon

Not literally who said it

[eager mortar]

The argument is this.

In the journey to find out which is superior, Briefs did a series of tests.
Going through it would take too much time here. The generalization of his findings indicate that Att is up to 5x more effective when you’re countering your opponent. Hp, up to 4x more effective than Att when getting countered by the defender. The outcome of his experiments indicate that no stat is superior than the other, the ideal blast is a combination of both. Obviously this will fluctuate based on personal preference and scenarios.

In essence a cav jeweled rowdy reserve with +15% attack advantage over a mix jeweled faith could outperform the mix jeweled faith under the right circumstances. The hp advantage in a mix jeweled faith would provide other benefits if the circumstances are correct for it to do so. So while a mix jeweled faith could potentially and generally would outperform a cav jeweled rowdy reserve, it isn’t absolute.

[eager mortar]

So the 3:1 angle you brought up is moot, because in the case of countering an infantry front, the 15% cav attack advantage would do up to 5x better than the additional hp a mix jeweled faith would.

Hp isn’t meant for inflicting damage, so saying that the 3:1 hp advantage would outperform the 15% attack advantage simply isn’t true.

Which brings me back to the original point where I mentioned that each has a situation where it shines brighter than the other.

[solid swallow]

Ok so I brought the math

Between these Scenarios which one favours atk ? Getting countered or countering? I think the second

So I gave you that assumption in this situation

[eager mortar]

Absolutely, if you were defending the opposite would be true. Getting countered will favor hp for the defender.

[open coral]

Nerds 😭

[eager mortar]

Respectfully.. it separates the adults from the kids.. lol

[solid swallow]

We're going to ignore squad atk proks, we'll assume linearity of casualties in a 40 second battle where cavalry hits for 13 times
We've taken a sample rally lead with 2000% atk and 2000% HP for simplicity, and used the lords wiki base atk and base HP for cavalry T5
Obviously, if your troops survive 90% until the end , you would want more atk , right ?
We're trying to find , at which point the HP boost of 3 times more , starts ***giving more overall atk *** than 15% atk

I used chat GPT as a calculator I had to correct it twice , once when it considered stats multiplicative and another when it didn't apply the right formula

[open coral]

Didn't see that one coming xd

[solid swallow]

In sample terms , if a 2.4m lost more than 1.2m , the HP boost would have been absolutely better for you

Regardless of the situation

Another argument to make , do you use sea squire or watcher in your infantry blast?

Or do you use lore weaver instead of night raven?

[open coral]

Insane ball knowledge.

[eager mortar]

Well met, clearly explained. I concede

[eager mortar]

Watcher

[solid swallow]

Yeah cuz watcher has 25% army and 10% less atk

[eager mortar]

I enjoyed that btw, a lot lol @solid swallow

[solid swallow]

Imagine if it was 45% and 15%

[solid swallow]

Np man I can now use it on other discussions

Like the other time I had to do the math for making a faith over champion sword

[eager mortar]

Not really lol, I use it because it’s the only true army stat hero I have aside from goblin and rose knight

But I see your point

[solid swallow]

I knew from playing the game it is better to have faith, but it's best to have the math cuz even though ''trust me bro'' should be enough ( self glaze) I avoid it

[open coral]

Bro explained it better than most professors.

[solid swallow]

[eager mortar]

And that’s why my cav set has hp jewels in every piece

And I’m an hp guy

[solid swallow]

Gotta read the report man

[eager mortar]

What exactly am I missing?
I remain a little skeptical on chat gpt graph. Only due to the configuration of how stats are applied in lords isn’t exactly known. But I always believed that hp was the way to go

[solid swallow]

For simplicity I took the ones in lords wiki , although they're not exactly right , we just want approximate numbers to read the trend 📉📈

You don't need to have two sides use war gear when camp testing to know that cavalry counters infantry for example

It's not a simulation, just a comparative test

[eager mortar]

I acknowledge that, and there are points where hp overtakes att and vice versa. It’s no surprise that HP has particularly high value in blasts, as the main factoring difference between ordinary gear and champ is HP. The army attack as well, but that factors more for mixed attacks / wonders

[dim edge]

Crystal briefs has last words in war?

[solid swallow]

No person has that , it's the arguments that are being discussed

[dim edge]

just saying because everyone use his findings

[solid swallow]

Because he's not dumb and probably the only English content creator to have explained such stuff visually

[dim edge]

Do you think other are better than him.other languages one

[solid swallow]

Idk

I know I am if I did it

[floral valley]

Is this good jeweling for my faith?

[solid swallow]

Purple army is worse than a gold normal

[floral valley]

Its only 5%

[mortal flume]

and you lose 5% LOL

[floral valley]

On 1 troop type

[karmic stratus]

you tried to help, he didnt listen

[floral valley]

I literally doesnt have anythink better for its place

Also i meant if the jewels are good, i will upgrade jewels and faith anyway

[karmic stratus]

my faith is standard until I get the last purple for another gold champion jewel

not acknowledging army attack jewels because they’re ridiculously expensive for what they are

[open coral]

[vagrant moon]

Nice being homeless

[karmic stratus]

thanks I play every day

[vagrant moon]

[mortal flume]

Does someone holding your hands rn ? Like you can't be this dummy alone

It would only be better if that army atk jewel would be a grim jewel

[sharp crater]

Someone got kicked for 0 pt GF

[karmic stratus]

or I left

[ebon wigeon]

Come with me, Make ### great again

[solid swallow]

You're ruining ### after PCs?

[ebon wigeon]

PCs too expensive

[vagrant moon]

She doesn’t like ###

[ebon wigeon]

People mixing feelings with games

[karmic stratus]

i dont play with downies

raptor is the king of them

[ebon wigeon]

dw, i'm already working on getting him booted

[sacred cairn]

User Name: SoeSoe SoeSoe
User: YqQNZdxtDF
Country: Myanmar

[pearl fossil]

?

[terse fable]

igg gonna gift him smth

[oak lily]

[floral valley]

[terse fable]

extreme p2p gear

[karmic stratus]

Message and congratulate him for making 3 useless champion pieces

[floral valley]

Legs, chest and sword

What about these champ piece that looks like flag

[karmic stratus]

Legs are usable

Sword chest valor

Valor garbage in my opinion much better to do faiths

Not like he's going to be using 055/064/082 etc

[coarse relic]

Is it normal to get legs mythic while other pieces are blue purple?

[terse fable]

bro if he could he would he has a blue faith xd

[karmic stratus]

Best way to do it really in my opinion is boots, then helmet, then a weapon then an accessory

[coarse relic]

I did legs gold, now got chest to purple.

Not planning to make any other piece

[karmic stratus]

Also depends on whether or not you personally deemed food positive a worthy element because then probably chest before accessory for most people

[open coral]

[terse fable]

lenosis what dom you in?

[karmic stratus]

I have chest at temper 5 on a different account so didn't really care to make a chest

[karmic stratus]

Can go anywhere in 1600s but I like opens since I don't even play and my other account is permanent dominion only

Make sense keeping them together

Since they compliment each other

[terse fable]

you can test me on a rally
would you?

[karmic stratus]

Find me some filler and okay , but I'm not a rally leader

[terse fable]

what's your in game name for the perm dom?

[karmic stratus]

They're both in permanent right now

Haven't been in a close kingdom in a year now

[terse fable]

and i ain't a trap just a hell lot of base might xd

[terse fable]

give me the name i'll take a look

[karmic stratus]

Nothing special at all

[terse fable]

yeah i mean nothing too strong but good ones.
when can you try?

[karmic stratus]

Whenever

[terse fable]

ohh ok cool can i dm you when i find fillers?

[karmic stratus]

Sure

[terse fable]

thanks

[floral valley]

Ye but whats a point of making the cav ones

[karmic stratus]

Usable in mix

Blast too

[floral valley]

There is gargantua belt and blackwing legs

Inf are the best imo

[karmic stratus]

Then same counterpoint is storm tassets for infantry

Which also pretty nice in 208

[floral valley]

But they are way worse than inf champ legs

And tasstes are more expensive that belt

[karmic stratus]

Yeah but your point is kind of irrelevant saying there are dragon talons and gargantuan belt as alternatives because there are also storm tassets

[floral valley]

I mean i will also prob make them, but it will be for sure after i finish all champ pieces and do second sword

[karmic stratus]

The boots are all identical per their troop type there isn't really a best just what's more useful to you

[floral valley]

And mainly cuz i already have them on blue

[karmic stratus]

I don't know I had my storm tassets at 16 gold pearls ready for orange for fucking months before I got my orange belt

[floral valley]

But it still hurt my butt cuz gargantua belt is cheap and fast to max

And dont really want to dismantle them

I am afraid that i will lose my manes

[karmic stratus]

If I could go back in time I think I would have made cavalry boots instead of the infantry ones

[floral valley]

Really?

[karmic stratus]

Yeah my mix is ridiculous heavy on infantry and cavalry

[floral valley]

I started doing cav ones but someone told me that they are trash and it is better to make inf

Same with off hand

[karmic stratus]

So in retrospect I would have made cavalry boots 3 cups

And archer chest

[floral valley]

I dont have archer chest?

There is no really any other good chest for archers, and it have biggest buffs to hp and def

[karmic stratus]

I personally couldn't justify making a second orange archer chest when it's really not much better than a 15 firewall

[floral valley]

I started doing this hotclaw chest for range but stopped at blue

And now also idk should i dismantle it or not

Cuz there is no good hotclaw eq for me, so dont really need these materials

But it just hurt my eyes when i enter workshop

[karmic stratus]

Hardly beneficial to me to make a archer chest

Only thing it would be used in is 7 11 2 or maybe 055 and variants which I don't do

[floral valley]

But its good to have any champ chest for upkeep

For inf there is this big plant chest

Cav firewall

[karmic stratus]

I have archer chest on my second account and I have a bank castle too

So wasting all of the money just to be food positive on a third account is absolutely stupid

[floral valley]

For you maybe

I have only 1 acc

And need some

Also as i said range chest have biggest buffs

[karmic stratus]

Make a shit little bank castle and food problems solved

[karmic stratus]

Faith better

[floral valley]

Also have one

But gonna make 3

And 1 champion blessing

[karmic stratus]

I personally think blessings and valor are a waste but that's just me

[floral valley]

Valor maybe

But i have seen alot of rl with one or two blessings

[karmic stratus]

Yeah because probably like running 992/866

[floral valley]

Ye

[karmic stratus]

Probably making my faith orange overtime and that'll be it for me on equipment

[floral valley]

So at the end i want to make in total 3 faiths, 1 blessing, range chest, inf boots, cav helmet, cav and inf/range sword and chamion light

[karmic stratus]

Gross

Offhand

[floral valley]

Ye, for training speed

And for some blasts comps

For range i will have mitts

[karmic stratus]

My blasts suck because I am only jewelled for mix

And missing lots of blast jewels

[floral valley]

And from monster gears, want to make firewall plate, mitts, prolly 1~2 cups, gargantua belt, blackwing boots

[karmic stratus]

Yeah I refuse to use embers on making my third orange cup

[floral valley]

Ye, also will have 1 champ blessing so it would be just a waste of ambers

And also saberfang and queen bee helmets

And that would be all i guess

[karmic stratus]

Why no gawrilla or cottage

[floral valley]

For what

[karmic stratus]

Cavalry and infantry

[floral valley]

Will have champ for that

Faiths and champ cav sword

[karmic stratus]

Whatever floats your boat

[floral valley]

For off hand champ light, and main hand inf range sword

Will make some pieces for sure, but mainly for fun or fake gear

[karmic stratus]

I mean I have champion blade and still use the cane over it

[floral valley]

Why tho

Unless u max it out faster there is no reason to use cane over champion

[karmic stratus]

Makes sense to have the cane

[floral valley]

[karmic stratus]

Especially since pact 5 only uses troops specific attack

[floral valley]

Pact 5?

[karmic stratus]

Rabbit and bon

[floral valley]

Ye, maybe u right, but there is no way i am prioritizng cane over champ blade

As i said i will make cane etc, but i wont be relly buying any packs specially for it

[eager mortar]

The cane is better overall, gives more value. The champ has higher overall attack at the cost of hp that the cane provides. It’s almost like comparing a boomerang to a champ katar

[solid swallow]

But guys champ offhand has DEF

[open coral]

[karmic stratus]

Honestly I didn't buy anything specifically for the two hootclaw pieces, cottage pieces or gawrilla pieces but I got them orange so was nice

[sharp crater]

Bro brought the limited packs with Monstrous Chest that give the rare mats for it

Meanwhile..... Im struggling....

[blazing dragon]

get hunting lol

[eager mortar]

Rowdy reserves are unnecessarily expensive for the stats they give.. 9 is uncalled for.. I’d feel better if it were 7 or 8 UR’s

[solid swallow]

[eager mortar]

Don’t give me that look

[eager mortar]

It’s still isn’t 17 manes..

[solid swallow]

Who's 17

Faith is 28 total manes

14 gold then myth

[eager mortar]

14 manes* my bad

[solid swallow]

Hot take that shit is easier than rowdy's

[eager mortar]

Highly doubt that, I’m struggling to get 14 for my helm right now

[karmic stratus]

Yeah you're wrong

[solid swallow]

I'm saying that cuz it's guaranteed to get them nowadays

I hate relying on luck cuz mine sux asss

[eager mortar]

Although.. I did do 20 manes previously for the armor.

[rocky knoll]

You can get rowdy mats guaranteed too 72 Grays + 100 chests for 10$🤷‍♂️

[solid swallow]

Oh didn't see that pack

Mb for my blasphemy

[eager mortar]

Unspeakable

[rocky knoll]

I spent like 200$ on it

To get my 2 rowdies

Pretty fun with a 1+1

[tidal bronze]

Finally got the purp champ legs

[terse fable]

what dom?

[heady wagon]

Congrats

[sharp crater]

+15 drum vs +15 Rowdy is 20% atk difference, will take it over drums ig.

Polar Ring just more costly cuz its not in monstrous chest 1 and chest 2 rarely gets put in events

[sharp crater]

32.5 gold u forgot purple/blues esp 14 purple = 3 gold 2 purple

Also, If I have a champ faith, I wouldn't use it in my Cav blast, would still stick to Rowdy

Maybe Faith for 208 but not pure cav

Faith at +0 = 21 + 14 = 35 atk / 35 hp
Rowdy at +0 = 35 atk / 14 hp

but with jewels..
Faith most people without barons jewels etc will most likely put Inf/Cav/Champ so thats 55 atk + 50 hp

Rowdy can be purely cav so (cav/garg/da if u want) 80 atk 14 hp, really depends if u wanna favor a bit more hp over atk so really personal pref.

BUT THEN +15 ROWDY is easier than +15 faith. I took mines +15 when I got it mythic cuz I already had 30k+ gawrilla monster astralite in bag lol

Another ~40k ready whenever I get 2nd mythic Rowdy

[oak lily]

[solid swallow]

Oh come on man

We've went through this before

[solid swallow]

Do you have cav sword ?

[solid swallow]

Normal people don't have 40k monster astra xD

[rocky knoll]

People who make faiths often do

[solid swallow]

I'd be impressed to find someone with high astra on champ cav sword to not need the eon axe, but low enough astra on faiths to need rowdy's

To need rowdy's to save jewels *

[rocky knoll]

I have my sword +6 I will increase astra on it since it's my mix piece of choice I see 0 reason to make eon axe

Meanwhile my 1 faith still isn't mythic and I have 2 rowdies one +12 one +8 that replaced drums

Which will allow me the choice of making a blessing for 3rd accessory instead of Valor/faith

[floral valley]

What should i do with all this stuff

[ebon wigeon]

U should respond to the guy in chat

[floral valley]

What

[dim edge]

This account so confusing.delete it and start new one

[open coral]

Bro's on another level

[sharp crater]

No

[oak lily]

[pallid cedar]

Hey y'all I have a question

Purple cup or mega maggot ring?
I have 3 purple cup already

[open coral]

In my opinion, Blight ring but only if it's purple or gold because of the army HP

[sly narwhal]

3 cups but most people generally use blight ring cuz of the hp

[rocky knoll]

Just whale on tokens and get all 3 cups mythic

[solid swallow]

Don't waste your money and go for faiths

[azure lotus]

[open coral]

Final boss of p2p

[azure lotus]

Nah

Final boss would have all +15

[dim edge]

If you already have three cups then use them

[spiral anchor]

New player here , any recommendations for mix set ? With this gear my range damage still a bit lower than inf/cav.

[karmic stratus]

Should have done one ring and a blight scroll

[sly narwhal]

Take out one ring, replace with a scroll or another cup.

Also work on jeweling one inf, cav and rng on each piece

[karmic stratus]

Take the shit champion jewel out also

[rocky knoll]

Depends if it's purple it's pretty nice

[karmic stratus]

Probably isn't purple

[sly narwhal]

I've got 1 purple and I split it into my speed set

4 more for gold ring

Mix fury + fort

Speed fury + fort

[rocky knoll]

You have war talents ?

[sly narwhal]

Yes 400 day f2p acct so gear still blue and purple with blue jewels too

[solid swallow]

Your gear is fine , your jewels are all over the place

[solid swallow]

400 days that's super low stats tnh

[karmic stratus]

Meanwhile aren't yours like 650 for many years of playtime

If even 650

[solid swallow]

That's such a downie statement

Carumbaa is twice as old as F2P DN lead and there's only 100% atk difference between them

Because the progress itself isn't linear and the game events changed drastically

[karmic stratus]

No downie statement is saying his stats for 400 days old free to play are super low

Guy has no jewels obviously they're going to be low

[solid swallow]

I have an account that's f2p around the same age with 550% mix

Only 100 days older

[karmic stratus]

Okay accounts have different luck and that's literally almost 3 months of gameplay over his

That's a couple rounds of events over his

Also you have played before whereas he clearly hasn't.

[solid swallow]

By your logic it doesn't check out or does it

[solid swallow]

That still does not take any validity from the statement they're low , whether he mismanaged or not

[karmic stratus]

Your logic is "my account has better therefore your account is bad for 400 days"

[solid swallow]

It's a comment on the result

[solid swallow]

No that's not my logic

I don't base my logic on comparing accounts , I know if he played certain events he'd get more than that

The account comparison was for you who doesn't have a clue about it

[karmic stratus]

Sure

[solid swallow]

If you don't know how strong 1300% blasts are , I'll have to compare it to someone with 1000% who hit you and say '' this person is stronger than that''

But you don't need to if you know what 1300% are like

[karmic stratus]

Its honestly like I am communicating with a stroke patient when I talk to you

[dim edge]

Stats are actually low foe 400 days old account

[solid swallow]

Didn't you unironically share an iq test result with 183 IQ and believed it's true?

[karmic stratus]

400 days isn't a long time at all especially if he doesn't even play every day

[karmic stratus]

Multiple, not my fault I am generally smarter than you.

[solid swallow]

I don't remember the number exactly but it was 20-30 more than Einstein and the paralysed dude

[karmic stratus]

And it was proven with the same fucking website as you

Dumb dumb was upset he wasn't the smartest in the server

[solid swallow]

''especially if he doesn't play every day'' so they are low because he doesn't play every day

[karmic stratus]

How are you able to name Einstein and not Stephen Hawkins

[solid swallow]

That test was so wrong it proved you were the stupidest one there believing you're 20 IQ over Einstein

[solid swallow]

I could name them both what does that have to do with anything

[karmic stratus]

You know I am literally a scientist right

[solid swallow]

Didn't you also say range wedge is better than inf wedge against mix rallies?

[karmic stratus]

No

I dont even like archer wedge

[solid swallow]

I'm pretty sure you did but ok

[karmic stratus]

Im the one that stands by infantry wedge

You could go to the server and look, nevermind no you can't.

[solid swallow]

Oh nooo I'm sad

I got banned twice , by you and WP

[karmic stratus]

Nice memory capacity

[solid swallow]

I could find it if I had nothing better to do

[rocky knoll]

WP banned you, yikes

[solid swallow]

Ikr

[karmic stratus]

Literally never said archer wedge is better for mix rallies because I don't even like it as a going to sleep formation

[solid swallow]

Nico said he doesn't know how to play and I got banned

[rocky knoll]

Just do everything in range wedge nothing can go wrong

I very much regret going inf phal on my alt once

[mortal flume]

you need 20+m t2 front to be safe

[rocky knoll]

I meaaaan if you are called worthy princess and everyone wants to burn you, yeah

[rocky knoll]

He kept getting set on when he was still playing his main account

[mortal flume]

so this is not delusional

[solid swallow]

I don't need 4m t4

[rocky knoll]

I need 6m tbh

[mortal flume]

but you do need 20m t2 inf

[solid swallow]

Low troop count >>

[rocky knoll]

Each

[solid swallow]

Yes to make for a good gazette

[karmic stratus]

Then a 820 comes and burns your shit ass 80m troops

[rocky knoll]

It won't even when I'm out of gear it doesn't

[mortal flume]

4m t4 cav rest can stay 3m

[karmic stratus]

Not you specifically worthy dumb dumb

[rocky knoll]

Oh his trap

[raw tinsel]

Hii

[rocky knoll]

That account had a stupid comp and no base stats

[karmic stratus]

If you want to call it that

[mortal flume]

that has 30m t2 inf as front line and 0 base stats

[solid swallow]

Imagine building a rally party trap that burns on a single rally that a f2p account with 11m can bounce

[mortal flume]

it has 1.2b troop might probably

[rocky knoll]

More than my filler I doubt it

He'd cap with 1.2

[mortal flume]

he has 100+m troops LOL

[rocky knoll]

Would be a lot of T4 than

How is his front only 30

On 100m comp

[mortal flume]

let me look at his last stream

[solid swallow]

Jack of all trades and master of none

[mortal flume]

700k each t5 2.3m each t4 230k t4 siege 40m t2 inf 30m t2 rng 22m t2 cav 755k t2 siege

i'll let you count the troop might

1,3b might account

[karmic stratus]

What's even funnier is he's playing other IP'S similar to this game and the videos tank just as hard as all his other content that's not related to this game

[dim edge]

Have you seen fatrabbit clips on Yt.probably best trap

[rocky knoll]

1.09b troop

[karmic stratus]

Half the people making trap videos are above 1,3 billion might

[rocky knoll]

That's why he came back to lords

[karmic stratus]

[mortal flume]

and he burns on 1st mix

[karmic stratus]

Can't even get views for elden ring

[rocky knoll]

Yeah cuz 3m each T4/T5 doesn't work without stats

Traps with that high tier are usually 2pc champ mini lead stats accounts

[solid swallow]

[rocky knoll]

If they actually cap

[mortal flume]

he called this a bad take LOL

[solid swallow]

Gotta have the right fams for small comps , not stats

Stats are a bonus

[rocky knoll]

Or just have stats and ignore everything else

[solid swallow]

And be a max account that burns with 40m troops cough cough

[karmic stratus]

Just min max your army health

[rocky knoll]

Just don't lose lead

[mortal flume]

nah attack is the best defense

[karmic stratus]

Perfect I will aspire to have 600 army attack and 100 army health

[mortal flume]

yes you need to put gryphon jewels too

[rocky knoll]

I keep getting my small lead capped and laughing when people try to burn it when it sits with 18m T4 at 1.9

[mortal flume]

do i temper fw sword to +6 or mitts to +13 ?

[karmic stratus]

Probably mittens

[rocky knoll]

I'd do mitts

[mortal flume]

let's gamble

[solid swallow]

I would understand him if he didn't build the cav sword

[mortal flume]

wow never seen that chestplate in this set

[karmic stratus]

Chest makes less sense than the sword

[mortal flume]

i can understand what he wanted to do with it

[karmic stratus]

Sword makes sense

[mortal flume]

it's kinda smart

[solid swallow]

The chest is somewhat reasonable for range front comps , compared to the chest

Since it's cheap af in astra

[karmic stratus]

I would still take the firewall over it

[solid swallow]

But the sword is out of place

[solid swallow]

Ideally yeah

[karmic stratus]

Hootclaw really not good for anything other than blast

But also the same reason I won't make a champion chest

[mortal flume]

you made inf one

[karmic stratus]

Yeah I broke that when I realised food positive was a scam

Got the manes back so was no loss

And at the time it served a purpose because it was better for infantry than my purple terrorshield and whatever astral my firewall was at the time

[mortal flume]

eh

i would never do more than 2 pc champ like i don't think it's worth it

[karmic stratus]

If I was 2 piece I would be a lot weaker and I didn't spend much on the extra pieces so was worth it

[dim edge]

Why rng low.samw artifacts same research

[karmic stratus]

Show fury bonus?

[dim edge]

These with fury

Gearlesss

[karmic stratus]

Yeah I said to show the bonus

[mortal flume]

i would love to have the same suffering

[karmic stratus]

This

[mortal flume]

this is with 3 gold rng jewels LOL

[solid swallow]

He's seeing it in trial by fire so fury stats are included

[karmic stratus]

Im trying to see his boosts. Not the boosts added

[mortal flume]

looks like we won't be getting that

[dim edge]

I am not newbie.i checked everything but don't know why rng less

Maybe this account meant to be lead

[sly narwhal]

[karmic stratus]

Not for a while

Mine isn't even a lead in open kingdoms or the older closed dominion

[dim edge]

Your are lead.just need to convince guild

[karmic stratus]

I can rally just not a rally lead

1200+ is where it starts in my opinion

[sly narwhal]

@karmic stratus what's your stats now

[dim edge]

So you are saying my guild is leadless

[karmic stratus]

Mix or blast

[sly narwhal]

Mix

[karmic stratus]

Still need 3 more champion jewels sadly

[mortal flume]

noodle

300% less than max

or could even be more than 300

[sly narwhal]

Your range looks low is it 424 setup on jewels or talents

[dim edge]

Hp

[karmic stratus]

Yeah not spending at all

[karmic stratus]

Yeah just changed mittens for dragon fist for extra cavalry too

So would be like 700 health but I like the extra cavalry

[sly narwhal]

You've already got your gear about done just remaining the faith to mythic

[karmic stratus]

Only 4/14 so probably won't even finish it

Especially with all the embers

[sly narwhal]

[karmic stratus]

And I'm not buying anything since I have like 2b lunite and all my blasts in a place where it costs more than it's worth spending for an upgrade, and I gave up on doing passive heroes up to blue because I'm not even logging in enough to remember to buy them

Same thing with artifacts , only have like 4 or 5 reasonable golds I can bless then the rest are all the royal chest ones majority of people don't/cant bless

[sly narwhal]

Stats, jewels and gear already good without passive buffs from heroes

[terse fable]

is it just me or my non-champ gear has more atk?

ahh i see it's not a blast

848??

[sly narwhal]

This is what I work with the stats posted earlier

Got about 200+ tokens saved up for the boots just need tidal titan in tycoon

Need 1 purple venom for helm

And 1 purple blueprint for the chestpiece

[solid swallow]

Wha

[terse fable]

i saw half gear i thought it was cav blast when i looked carefully it was not a blast. it looks like 848 or smth

[karmic stratus]

No this is my cavalry

[gentle delta]

Chinese

[karmic stratus]

No

[gentle delta]

Japnese/ koren

[gentle delta]

Nice gears cav

[terse fable]

mythic book damnn

[dim edge]

Making this for baby trap

[karmic stratus]

Ditch archer boots and second cup

[dim edge]

I don't want unbalance like main

[karmic stratus]

That's why you have a blight ring and storm tassets

[dim edge]

Why not rang boots.fist so forget talons

[karmic stratus]

Archer boots kind of suck in my opinion but I guess they could work for your purpose

[dim edge]

Yes.i am not very serious.just for fun

I have tassets in main

[karmic stratus]

Well even if not "serious" could still make something better

[dim edge]

Like

[karmic stratus]

The dragon talons

[dim edge]

Fist already

[karmic stratus]

Mittens

[dim edge]

Can't make two

[dim edge]

I dislike them most.bells too difficult to get.very bad drop

[karmic stratus]

You get the chests every day for completing dailies

More free to play friendly than the fist

[azure lotus]

[dim edge]

My main is old and doing daily quests but still gold mitts one bell only

[azure lotus]

Forced to pay*

Free to pay

[karmic stratus]

No one is forced to play this shit game

[dim edge]

2 mythic fist=one gold mitts

[karmic stratus]

Let me know how making the beast helmet goes too

[dim edge]

Wasted material on nector orb not lvl 60 yet

57

Saber drop better than bee

[karmic stratus]

Tycoon for bee makes it easier

You get tons of gems

[dim edge]

I am not dismantling nector

I always dreamt of that.could not make this mistake on main so choosed this

[karmic stratus]

Well if making frost sword may aswell

[dim edge]

Why not dismantling sword

I try making different set

[azure lotus]

[karmic stratus]

There's a reason people recommend the pieces so frequently

[dim edge]

What i can do now.rng boots are option for me.already suspiciously low on rng

[dim edge]

Followed them on main

[rocky knoll]

I like my 7.5 pc

Cav legs are the only piece I don't like

Before astra 15 they felt nice

But now need too much astra to beat maxed belt

[frank cargo]

My question is, what’s the best option (as a low spender) for an infantry offhand? I’m crafting the infantry boots from Champion gear, the main-hand from Cottageroar, and I think the Venom Blade is impossible. Is it easier to go for 2 Champion items or 2 Cottageroar? Or maybe another idea?

[rocky knoll]

Do 2x cottage, better things to do with champ than offhand, you can use call of the deep while you are finishing your cane if you don't want to split materials since you shouldn't need tassets if you are making champ legs

[eager mortar]

Ultimately, more champ you have the stronger you’ll be. It is champ after all.
There are definitely numerous opportunities to outplay people with more champ.. my best win is against 6 piece champ. But in reality, a 4 piece champ that knows what they’re doing will likely upend me. I don’t like champion either, I think it’s really apparent when you look at my preferred mix sets. But even I have to acknowledge the advantages champion has

[mortal flume]

rather invast in artifacts or other things than more champ pieces

[rocky knoll]

There's nice packs to work on champ and other stuff at the same time

[eager mortar]

Artifacts for sure, but there’s limitations. Ask target down, dude was no champ. Now he has some champ

[karmic stratus]

Was funny account maxing everything out besides champion and 11k heroes and still losing to other players because of the regular monster shortcomings

[plain rock]

best f2p cav gear?

[short halo]

Basically like this is easiest.

[short halo]

What app is this??

[quick olive]

[dim edge]

Lords helper.not on play store

[lyric musk]

What app is this

[short halo]

Yeah I found it. Got it. Won't launch on a S25 Ultra. Lol. Fml.

[quick olive]

[wooden hedge]

Hi send pls of the infantry and artillery

[sly narwhal]

Check pins

[vestal vigil]

What is the best thing should i work on my balst or only mixx

.......

[eager mortar]

Assuming you’re new, mix is more important

[vestal vigil]

Am not new new but ok i will work on mix and fk the balst then

[open coral]

Focus on the mix first and don't fk the blast

[pseudo nest]

which offhand is better for this

[karmic stratus]

Mittens

[eager mortar]

Not saying you can’t upgrade blast pieces as they become available, but the focus should be on mix.

[mortal flume]

The one with emperor pieces

[quick olive]

[azure lotus]

U mean this

[broken lagoon]

Noodle

I can beat in camp

[azure lotus]

[mortal flume]

Not even maxed astra

[azure lotus]

[dim edge]

Why IC,RC jewels exist

[solid swallow]

What type of question is this

[dim edge]

I mean no one use them

No f2p,no p2p

[karmic stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/mike-myers-playing-in-backyard-gif-6656153648178229242

[solid swallow]

Let's make sure we're talking about the same thing
You obviously don't mean the baron jewels
Only the 10% inf and 5% cav for example

[dim edge]

I mean champ jewel,cav 20 and inf 20 or army atk jewel for p2p without barons jewels.why we need ic rc jewels then

[sly narwhal]

Those are for certain comps
IC in book of the dead for 659 or inf-cav heavy rallies or just to buff the stats of a gear

[rocky knoll]

How is that better than 2x atk+ champ

[sly narwhal]

It's not better just compensates on 2 type gear

[dim edge]

So why use

Expensive

[sly narwhal]

[rocky knoll]

No point using it just use da jewels if you want to lose atk

I'm doing this in my cav champ to not lose too much mix stats and keep my cav as strong as I can

[sly narwhal]

Is your Boommeister gold and do you have gold of each da jewel

Planning on working purple da jewels into my blast and so far just one purple of range and cav

[solid swallow]

The 10% 5% jewels are the middle ground between champ jewels and 3 atk jewels AHH setup

[sly narwhal]

Yh middle ground like @solid swallow said

For blasts thinking of using gold cav, gold garg and purple da jewels

Is that good setup for the future

If lucky on those 10% 5% could replace da jewels with them

[karmic stratus]

Should see my budget jewel blasts

I use the split attack jewels because nothing better to put in their place

Ideal world where I jewel everything for blasts I would probably do attack jewel, dragon arena jewel, monster attack jewel but we make do with what we have

[lean edge]

Decent gear?

No fury

[rocky knoll]

Boom is gold and I only have cav da jewels on my main don't need other ones

[sly narwhal]

[rocky knoll]

Cav jewels everywhere

[sly narwhal]

This is what I plan on working into blasts, gold atk, gold monster and purple da jewels

Again future use

[rocky knoll]

I gave up on blasts and run a bunch of pieces mix jeweled

[steel owl]

how weakness feel like :

[steel owl]

12m exp till I can use my 60 gear

Wich isnt so good too lol, but already better

[azure lotus]

Nice blasts

[solid lake]

45% range atk lol

[severe moon]

I wonder what you are trying to hit with that 👀

[rocky knoll]

Castles

[severe moon]

Hmm

[azure lotus]

Bro

The army atk

[dreamy wadi]

He forgot to put on his glasses

[nova carbon]

In what situations winter mitts is preferred over champ off hands ? And vice versa ?
I have also seen a lot of people using venom blade instead of mitts, too... is that better than champ offhands ?
I know that mitts offer a ton of army hp but why is army hp preferred over much more attack stats ? In offhands
And when is codex supposed to be useful

[rocky knoll]

Venom blade is just straight up better than mitts, mitts beat champ offhands for most people due to astra price for other due to them not having venom blade/ lamp for their 442 setup, codex is only useful in 055 setup

Even with an astra difference champ outperforms mitts in some situations (mostly when you need more dmg to break someone's range front) I'm assuming the champ offhand here is light, Katar is just straight up bad and lamp is only really usable in 442 comps

[nova carbon]

Yeah, it’s champ light

When does venom blade become better than a +15 mitts ?

[karmic stratus]

Pretty sure at low astra

[rocky knoll]

Not sure I'm too broke to have blade so never checked but likely somewhere around +9

[karmic stratus]

Like +5 onwards I would probably use it myself

[nova carbon]

Yeah, if it needs to be that high, I guess I understand why most people just do mitts and leave it be

For sake of curiosity, at how much Astra does champ light become better than mitts ?

[karmic stratus]

Venom blade is also just super expensive

[nova carbon]

Yeah, I noticed … it has very limited ways for getting the dune cores

[karmic stratus]

I think it's like 67k astralite to make it +15

[nova carbon]

That’s expensive… especially compared to mitts which needs 10k

Thanks both for the help

[karmic stratus]

Honestly after our conversation I wouldn't bother making the offhand

[sly narwhal]

Only 442 ?

[rocky knoll]

unless you whale champ&astra can skip champ offhand it needs astra and there's better things to spend that astra on

[rocky knoll]

I run them in my 424 setup too depending on what I'm doing since my champ light ain't got no astra

[karmic stratus]

Army health too nice to miss out on

[rocky knoll]

limited options since that light only +3

[karmic stratus]

Nice you have same grade of blade as me

[rocky knoll]

not even close to gold either

[karmic stratus]

Mine is like 6 or 7/15

[rocky knoll]

I had like 15k of those boxes

[karmic stratus]

[rocky knoll]

and got 1 gold

xD

[sly narwhal]

If not whaling mitts a better choice then

[karmic stratus]

I just want another orange rowdy, make this blade gold

[rocky knoll]

my 3rd rowdy getting close to gold without me even trying

[wispy arrow]

What's this

[rocky knoll]

as if they know I'm not gonna use it

[rocky knoll]

idk some discord tag I guess ?

[karmic stratus]

Im only able to make a purple second right now

[sly narwhal]

[karmic stratus]

He has orange faith now

[rocky knoll]

I have a faith

[sly narwhal]

[rocky knoll]

no more rowdies needed

[karmic stratus]

Sometimes wish I made cavalry sword so I could have a second rowdy

[sly narwhal]

Go 3 faiths then

[rocky knoll]

no moni, need artifacts now

and normal astra from those fancy limited offers with royals

cuz this stuff eats a stupid amount of astra

[sly narwhal]

Probably gonna get lv 5 or 6 if you're gambling

[rocky knoll]

I'm not gambling I don't like seeing my money disappear with no result

[sly narwhal]

Fair enough but works most of the time

[karmic stratus]

The health gain even from 0 to 1 is actually really nice

[rocky knoll]

idk after 1 gold mane in 20k chests I do not like gambling anything anymore

guaranteed > chance

[karmic stratus]

[rocky knoll]

this should be close to enough for +4

which is where I will stop with faith

[drifting hazel]

Why are my mix stats so low compared to everyone, even with multiple tiers below in gear. It’s about 572% mix at 700m base might

how do you get to 650

[karmic stratus]

Artifacts.

Jewels too

[sly narwhal]

IDK maybe get full gold jewels and work artifacts

[drifting hazel]

Okay thanks, I’ve been wasting a lot of artifacts on events for tasks

[karmic stratus]

[mortal flume]

Bruh what ? 572 with that gear ? 🤣

[karmic stratus]

Remove champion jewel

[slate rock]

Is he in talents 💀

[karmic stratus]

May as well just put the hunt equipment back on

Why did you make a faith wasted loads of manes

Probably could have made gold boots

Nice well it will be thrown out

Trust me it brings you a negative net of vanity points

Makes you look like those people that make a full white champion set and still have blue/purple boots

Even worse

Show full cabinet

Because it's almost okay

What color are the champion jewels

[karmic stratus]

^

Guess makes sense since you dont have regular jewels

If below purple remove them all as soon as you can replace them with regular jewels

Use bee helmet, mittens , skullcrusher, infantry champion boots, firewall, cup faith for now and then ring

Boomerang garbage for mix

Full champion a waste when this game won't last much longer

Oh makes sense

https://tenor.com/view/midnight-the-cat-stopped-working-midnight-the-cat-cat-cat-meme-funny-cat-gif-81113296414293415

Anyway spend less money on equipment do artifacts instead

Artifacts mega funny make you look weak

But strong

Plus up to a certain point super cheap in comparison

Equipment is more expensive for worse gain

Without artifacts I would probably be like 500 mix

Save like 20 dollars or whatever equivalent is for the super artifact bundle that comes out occasionally

15 dollars for lots of coins, brushes and also good astralite chests

[robust rock]

Guys can someone tell me in which comp is champion lamp is used in?

I made that gold instead of making champ light, so now stuck whetger make it mythic or push light

[karmic stratus]

992. Nothing else

[karmic stratus]

Ignore offhand they're mostly useless

[solid swallow]

Whaa

[solid swallow]

Push light still

[sly narwhal]

Lamp is the inf, range offhand right👀

[solid swallow]

Yes

Serpent is just better

[sly narwhal]

Again not a lead so don't judge but if he already has light it could be used in comps like 884, 992, 965.

Just my thought

[solid swallow]

If he wants to be a lead

He should make serpent dagger

Venom blade or whatever

For the same purpose of 442s and 992#

[sly narwhal]

Venom too hard

[solid swallow]

Not really

Tycoon

I mean it is hard

Not like a f2p item for sure

[sly narwhal]

lol if not knowledgeable about champ pieces you could end up wasting manes on crap

[solid swallow]

The necessary champs for a lead are legs helmet and faiths

Rest is optional

[sly narwhal]

Remember crafting a blue Katar for my cav blast at the start. Got pissed off after learning it's crap, dismantled and went for D.fist instead

[solid swallow]

Nooo why , training boost

[sly narwhal]

Have blue light

But sure many people probably make such mistakes early on when crafting champ

[solid swallow]

Bro has blue light what an aura

[sly narwhal]

I mean training boost is good though

Blue strides also, hoping for good pinball to make purple

[solid swallow]

If you build it for training going to green is enough

[sly narwhal]

[mortal flume]

i would say until gold gear it's good after that artifacts should be a prio until you have around 500 stars and 800 lvls after that the useful ones will be expensive

[karmic stratus]

I dont know, all of my artifacts are still under level 9, they're pretty affordable just slow to do at 40 gold to level them up

[sly narwhal]

You get a ton of stats off arti though even more than from gear

[mortal flume]

who said you don't get more? after a certain point you better of spending money on gear not on artifacts because it will be higher % for money

[sly narwhal]

If not planning to be a max account like you said 500 stars and 800 levels should be good enough but also depends on the arti you focus on first. You could try bless arti that gives 2-3 different stats plus a few single stats arti with hp and def buff.

Then yeah at that point could start on gear

[karmic stratus]

Im around that level and have so much space for more as well so

[sly narwhal]

I'm mostly 5-6 on my artifacts with 3 stars

Around 345 stars with 695 levels

[round plank]

what’s is your mix atk now

[karmic stratus]

But yeah no one can say equipment is more important than artifacts as a low spender

[rocky knoll]

For a lead if you want to do forts kinda have to do at least faiths and helmet+legs from champ even if you don't pump much astra into them but on a filler it's unlikely to ever reach a point where dumping more into Artis is a bad idea

[rocky knoll]

Lamp very fun range piece

[grim plinth]

[solid swallow]

Epic flex with the sigil too

[sly narwhal]

[rocky knoll]

That account has 6 gold ursas there's spare tygris

[rocky knoll]

There's codex for 055 too

And mix offhands

[solid swallow]

🐳

[sly narwhal]

Is all your gear +15

[steel owl]

yes mine

[sly narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[steel owl]

not all astra +15 but already good

[sleek aspen]

Gear check

[rocky knoll]

Would solo, wouldn't join a rally but still pretty nice

[steel owl]

how much cav % ?

Looks really nice

[karmic stratus]

Guessing 700

[steel owl]

a bit less I think

Due to the sword and not the axe

[karmic stratus]

Im also assuming he put his jewels into blasts for whatever reason

[steel owl]

Also, not the boomerang and purp belt

[karmic stratus]

Dragon fist is at 14. Which is pretty good

If for some stupid reason he put jewels in for the blast it will be somewhere in 700

Kari is right though, nice solo target

[rocky knoll]

Depends if it has the pre T4 research otherwise base stats will be horrible

[solid swallow]

This is 791% btw

[rocky knoll]

Yeah but you're not 100m might

[rocky knoll]

My filler is running 800 with this incredibly well jeweled gear

[sly narwhal]

[rocky knoll]

Mainhand new addition from last bargain doesn't even have a garg yet

[sly narwhal]

How to get more jewels. Any idea

[rocky knoll]

Guild coins and gemming jewel chests

• slow rolling with hoarder like always

I'm not jeweled on purpose that account has 14 gold cav jewels but 8 of them are in my speed set and 6 in mix set

[sly narwhal]

Is there better drop from gemming gold chests or lower chests

[rocky knoll]

Supposedly purples are better average but whenever I gemmed mine I was gambling golds

[sly narwhal]

Stats without jewels. Fury no fort

With jewels gonna go higher though

[karmic stratus]

Why you make 3 blue cups

[sly narwhal]

Got some luck at the start

4/13 to purple

[karmic stratus]

Would be much further if you only made 1

[sly narwhal]

[azure lotus]

My old filler also got 3 cups

1 gold 2 purple

[rocky knoll]

Finally got my polar gold on filler account now do I put it in my mix instead of blight or not is the question

[sly narwhal]

No need

[rocky knoll]

I want the cav stats

[sly narwhal]

Would you take out blight ring

[azure lotus]

@rocky knoll

Do you think emp debuffs affect individual hps or not

[rocky knoll]

They do, normal debuffs do and emp gear adds to those when you have em on no ?

[glass ingot]

Army hp only

[azure lotus]

[rocky knoll]

So Jeff scam telling me to run Valor and blessing instead of polars in my 055 into emps

[glass ingot]

Individual hp debuffs were never there until Advanced Wonder Battles tree was introduced.

[azure lotus]

Because that dude had a blast inside

[rocky knoll]

Normal debuffs affect normal stats too I tested it while guildmate was getting debuffs research

[glass ingot]

Wouldn't it be weird though?

[rocky knoll]

We did a test adding troop hp using jewels and than army hp and both had exactly same result

[glass ingot]

You say a 10% Army Atk debuff affects Army Atk Total % as well as Inf Range Cav Atk separately?

[sly narwhal]

Wouldn't it be weird if it didn't

[rocky knoll]

Tested on hp since that was easiest using troop jewels and champs to modify stats for testing but I'd assume all 3 stats work the same

[sly narwhal]

If army atk buffs individual stats then the debuffs also affects same stats

[glass ingot]

All Right. May be bit over my head ;))

[rocky knoll]

Also I don't believe shit iggs AI says it's been wrong before so 🤷‍♂️

[sly narwhal]

Also to note that debuffs stats are multiplicative so that's -100% on the stats

[azure lotus]

Not only AI. Someone uses that regularly and kicks ass of emp accs

Old 5pc not the walmart ones

[rocky knoll]

Is it same someone who told me to use army stat accessories instead of troop

While running into an emp account

[azure lotus]

Q cai is walmart emp and had a blast inside

[rocky knoll]

Army stat that had worse stat totals than troop too since no cav stats

[rocky knoll]

Not all Walmart has real helmet

[karmic stratus]

Bud Knight emperor

[rocky knoll]

That's Def tho so doesn't matter

[karmic stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-get-drunk-beer-warrior-soldier-bud-light-gif-17216994

[rocky knoll]

Nvm Walmart emp it is

[azure lotus]

[rocky knoll]

Still not all Walmart emp him kicking my ass less embarrassing than naicha

[azure lotus]

That ain't even a difference so small not even 10% more stats

[rocky knoll]

4.2 more debuff

[azure lotus]

[karmic stratus]

Big debuff difference

[azure lotus]

But that's def

[rocky knoll]

Ok that still drops Def by like 50%

[azure lotus]

[coarse relic]

There are only 5 tiers to it?

[azure lotus]

Yea

[coarse relic]

Well it will at least keep them engaged for 1-2 more years.

[rocky knoll]

Both mainhands crazy good since they have hp

Both as debuff and stat

Even Walmart emp in that slot is crazy good

[azure lotus]

dms

[sly narwhal]

lol wtf is a Walmart emp

[coarse relic]

Exalted

So basically it's impossible for non-emp to win against 4-5 piece emp one on one.

[karmic stratus]

Fake emperor

[coarse relic]

If you want you join their guild iykwim

[karmic stratus]

The ones you get for 2nd place in open emperor or first place in closed

[rocky knoll]

You need to have counter comp to beat them

Or blast

Or have better artifacts than them

[karmic stratus]

Which isn't really common

[rocky knoll]

Yes

[azure lotus]

Not impossible

But need to have max artifacts

198 bless 2k+ levels

[azure lotus]

Wouldn't work tbh

The 5 emp pieces make up stats from artifacts

They can be 150 bless but still beat the shit out of 190 bless accs cuz the emp pieces can carry the acc for a long time

I remember the Zy98 Shadow dude, he was 45 bless 5 emp but even 160 170 bless non emps struggled to beat him

[coarse relic]

Lolz doesn't IGG realize this

[ebon wigeon]

What is this comment supposed to say?

That's what gives the Emp gear value

[rocky knoll]

I knocked him with my main in chalice when he was 45 bless

[eager mortar]

Not really, any near max champ can knock out an emp with the right comp and formation. Doesn’t necessarily need to be the 198 blessed and full 2k+ levels. It’s definitely happened with less in the past.

[solid swallow]

I disagree

This account would lose inf Vs cav phal against an emp , range phal retarget , 208 against 569 , 055 ofc etc etc
There's only one comp and since most people don't know about it you can safely say they can't knock out an emp out

[coarse relic]

I forgot to continue actually. If a legit sound minded player gets a complete emp set and they decide to keep their account up to date which almost all of them do anyway, wouldn't the debuff make stat gap too big for any new entrants who want to get emp

You will either have to ask favours or do something inhuman to win

Maybe emp accessories had army atk debuff and they thought how absurd it would make a 1 on 1 and they never release it after that.

[azure lotus]

No right formation will work vs a full emperor account, 1-2pc emps are different

You'll lose on any plx. 5pc emp gets countered hard and still holds

[eager mortar]

Well there’s better accounts than that ,that still isn’t close to max lol

[eager mortar]

I didn’t say 5 piece emp, but apparently that’s what you meant.

[azure lotus]

Those are the hardest to beat for a non emp

Even with hard counters, they bounce

[eager mortar]

Then I’d agree with you, because the people who beat emps are players like Grawlf

And that’s pretty much as maxed as you get for artifacts

[azure lotus]

This is the hardest possible counter for a 569 comp

And he bounced this badly with it

Was a close to max acc

[sleek aspen]

Around 700 ,no jewels

Using them in mix

[rocky knoll]

1300 lvls smol, those get bullied even by non emps who have good artis

[azure lotus]

That acc never got bullied

Instead it bullied other max accs

This is one of the non emps who got bullied even with close to max artifacts

[solid swallow]

You said near max champ

[solid swallow]

He didn't mention artis , just gear

[rocky knoll]

I'm aware

[rocky knoll]

Stat gap in action

[solid swallow]

To be honest

That's a huge retarded comp to use against what you have

[rocky knoll]

my hero/fam setup was for a 659 but I filled extra 200k inf from alt

and it turned out to be a very good idea when this got teleported in with 50 carps lol

[azure lotus]

Stat gapping at it's peak

[eager mortar]

Well the entire convo with betard was surrounding artifacts. Yes I said near max champ, the artifacts were implied. And the one you posted ain’t much, the gears good tho.

[mossy basin]

fist or gloves? which one should i use?

[solid swallow]

Fist

[last widget]

right now fist max gloves

[glass ingot]

These reports insane ....

While John get a good BW in the one before last WoW. They called an emp. full +15 after

[distant moth]

What’s the astra priority after +12 plate if I’m working on champ cav helm? Is it just cups

[mortal flume]

If monster astra than on mitts if normal than boots and cav helm

[solid swallow]

Mitts

[karmic stratus]

After mittens do yourself a big favor and take that ring sky high on astral

[distant moth]

bet thanks yall

[true walrus]

so a little conflicted, i have another purple champ jewel i can inlay.
everything in my gear is purple+, i figure 1 purple champ better for wow rallis than 1 purple atk, so thats my method.

Accont is 40 days old, I have 600% army hp currently.
Do I, remove the gold cav atk and make 4 purples, and then also remove 3 purple army hp and make 1 gold increasing my cav atk for 7 4 9 comps,
but also making my army hp SLIGHTLY lower.

or is there a better alternative?

[sly narwhal]

Everything on the left of the gear looks okay but a few things

1. Go for skull crusher, mythic even better than frostwing.
2. By the right by my 👀 d. fist is good, ring is good, go for replace the other two accessories with cup, preferably one and you could use with the scroll as you build a second cup.
3. If not full gold jewels purple is better + leave the purple champ as is
4. D. Fist ok now if mitts aren't+15. If mitts are 15 replace instead cuz that's 12% more hp off mitts

[true walrus]

im not going for skull crusher, dont want it when im going for champ.

i have cup almost gold but these are better rn.

12% more army hp but like 30% less cav atk lol

[sly narwhal]

Subject to change from real rally leads but this is personal opinion

[sly narwhal]

Skull crusher is generally better than sword at the same level

[true walrus]

im going inf rng champ sword, i dont want skull crusher lol

im not making multiple sets im making 1 all rounder and calling it a day, not a wow lead but i qualify as one this early on so it just works, i only need advice on the jeweling as idk if 3 purple cav would be better than lower army hp

[solid swallow]

The dragon iris is just as good as the ring btw , and way less expensive to astra

[true walrus]

i have all 3 accessories purple, but these are just better all rounders till they r gold

[solid swallow]

Converge the 3 purple HP champs into one gold , and use atk jewels in their place

[true walrus]

thanks, thats what i was after lol

i figure army hp works x2 in wow as u usually have frontline and 2nd line getting hit

[solid swallow]

You're losing 15% army HP and gaining 60% atk

Assuming you have gold atk jewels

[sly narwhal]

After converting to gold you'll still have 3-4 purple left though

[true walrus]

yeah i thought so

[solid swallow]

Or 36% if all purples

[solid swallow]

Wdym

[true walrus]

in wow everytime im fighting im noticing my frontline and then 2nd line of troops getting hit but never usually the 3rd

so army hp would be counted twice, since 2x troops are getting hit

[solid swallow]

Yeah if the third is getting hit it's ggs xD

[solid swallow]

Nope

[true walrus]

how is that not the case

rng phal wld be rng then inf

so inf hp + army hp and rng hp + army hp

[solid swallow]

Army HP means any troop type of the army , meaning inf range or cav , will get the boost
Your army can be 100% inf or 50% 50% , the boost is 15% to both

[true walrus]

yeah, it boosts all

[sly narwhal]

Army hp affects all troop types

[true walrus]

but it provides less benefit if the 3rd troop isnt being affected

[solid swallow]

So it's not 30% because it hit two fronts

[true walrus]

if im sending mix and my cav is not being touched AT ALL then its not as effective as it is for the other 2