🏹┊equipment

[eager mortar]

crusher is close to champion levels of attack

You’re skipping the army attack

[lean edge]

I’m not

[eager mortar]

+44% at +15

Oh

[lean edge]

78.4% atk on a skullcrusher
56% on a rod

If got a skullcrusher for blast then skullcrusher is infinitely better (but like you said sometimes hp can be better)

If i were to jewel skullcrusher with a range atk it’d be 1.9% atk higher but i lose 14.75% hp

[blazing dragon]

Range attack is more useful then army attack for blasts as p5s are scaled off of your range attack stat

[pearl heron]

Oh it uses raw type stats? I thought it uses squad attack which includes army stats on them

[broken lagoon]

Rate my weirdest set out of 10

[lean edge]

Someone understood the skull crusher or wyrm rod question wrong

[glass ingot]

Why is jewelling everywhere ?!

What does a grim jewel do in the drum ?!

[mortal flume]

hey at least he got a cav da jewel in wrym rod LOL

[patent silo]

Yeah but I'll have to upgrade wyrm rod and the helm at the same time and that shit's going to take a lot of time to make them gold

That's why I asked if skull crusher was better

[mortal flume]

i mean i did get rod f2p quite fast

to mythic

and it's cheap too

+11 is 31 astra

or 620 monster astra

[patent silo]

Oh and

What's the best chest for range blast gear

[broken lagoon]

I'm missing jewels, and that' all I can afford atm , with my big asf frontline grim jewel is helping me with 15% HP

I need 2 gold champ and 1 cav jewel

I'm waiting for mythic sk btw

[glass ingot]

Could jewel rightly though. Ring can have grim jewel instead drum. The aesthetics are killing me. Lol

[broken lagoon]

Can't waste Gems, I already Used 1.2m for gf task

[glass ingot]

You have a very weird definition of a "waste" lol

[glass ingot]

I just like proper order in jewelling. Some pieces go in blast too according to first jewel.

[broken lagoon]

After getting last cav jewel I'll rejewel evrything perfectly!!

Maybe after getting gold polar ring

[rocky knoll]

I like grim jewels too

[broken lagoon]

3 gold jewel, real? I'm going to copy this gear , what's mix?

[rocky knoll]

Lemme check stats

3 infirms no 60 no altar

[rocky knoll]

Account is pretty old and I've been doing a lot of hunting on it, it's sitting at 10+ each of terror and wyrm jewels too

[broken lagoon]

[broken lagoon]

I have similar stats but High cav & low inf

[oak lily]

[slate sage]

Someone can give me luck please ? It’s horrible

[pearl heron]

i give you luck you give me equipment, fair deal

[delicate barn]

Nice work man but I think crusher's better 🤔

[patent silo]

Ok

[dim edge]

Hi! I need help
Which is better or select another

[delicate barn]

You are p2p or f2p

[delicate barn]

If you are either one lol try looking into any of these 2

[dim edge]

F2p

[delicate barn]

Well check the first pick try to make that one

@dim edge

[dim edge]

Mine or yours?

[delicate barn]

Mine first pic armer on the right side

That will be more easy

[dim edge]

Dragon talon will be difficult for me.wasted material on mythic dragon fist.

[delicate barn]

Bro not left right

The one with sward

That's easy for f2ps

[dim edge]

Sorry,my fault

[dim edge]

Yes i have that set just missing burning scroll

[delicate barn]

Aww great

Do you have 2 purple cups or one

If 2 then you should have made one lol

@dim edge

[dim edge]

I have two

[delicate barn]

Well then if they are people or above use them

[dim edge]

Both purple

[delicate barn]

Well then use them

[weak pier]

Best way to upgrade this other than material madness

Will switch the offhand for mitts soon

And scroll, legs, chest will be purp within a weak most prolly

[broken latch]

Is book of the dead any better than a blight ring for wonders/mix sets? You lose HP but it evens out the cav stats a bit?

[mortal flume]

Depends on a few things

But it can be better

[cinder solar]

Suggest me equipments for berserker songstress and lore weaver

[jolly harness]

For F2P, what’s the best champ gear piece to build first?

[rocky knoll]

depends a lot on what you are trying to do with the account

if you just want to fill rallies and hide your troops getting chest piece purple can let you hold food for example

if you are making a trap and hope for more free manes from igg going for cav legs can be good

if you want to try to lead rallies in events like da/expedition than inf legs can be good

if you want to fill and have a fatass comp maybe just doing offhand for more training speed 🤷‍♂️

or more long term trying to get gold chest piece once again with the goal of holding food

[jolly harness]

Well I don’t wanna trap and don’t expect to lead rallies for now at least. So either chest or offhand then?

[steel owl]

The one you need the most

If you aim for war stats inf boots are the best

If you want training speed go for off hand

[eager mortar]

Agree, boots are best statistically. Disagree that inf boots are best. if you’re making champion boots as a low spend or F2P, grieves are the best.
Cav stats aren’t high enough in monster gear, inf and range are plentiful in monster gear.

[mortal flume]

i would do champ cav helm tbh

[steel owl]

F2p wont be rally lead

They dont need inf boots

[rocky knoll]

did you read what he wrote

[eager mortar]

I said I disagree that inf boots are the best

[steel owl]

It all depends about how much you spend for tassets

And what you use for your mixt gear

[eager mortar]

That’s not the argument

[rocky knoll]

guildmate of mine is running this on a trap after all the free manes igg gave

[eager mortar]

I’d say that’s a great f2p set

[rocky knoll]

idk if he's fully f2p I think he spent money on the account but not much and not on champ packs

[mortal flume]

brother i got champ boots gold faster than 1 cup gold LOL

in fact i will get mythic boots faster than gold talons or a gold bb helm LOL

[eager mortar]

Were you asking what I use for mix gear? If so, you’re missing a question mark lol

[mortal flume]

champ boots are easier than any other leg piece with this amount of pinballs

[mortal flume]

could show my alt

it could make a gold boots but idk if i will make it or not , want to make faith LOL

[steel owl]

I meant like you can have huge cav stats if you use accessories you could use for mix

And isnt gargantua belt really good for cav ?

[mortal flume]

it is but useless in mix

[eager mortar]

There are limited accessories with cav stats unless you’re using a drum, dragons iris, rowdy reserve, or polar ring. The latter are more expensive than the cav boots

[rocky knoll]

well if we're talking f2p like the initial thing was about you yourself said f2p won't be leading so belt being good feels irrelevant

[steel owl]

We are not talking about f2p anymore now i think

Or am I wrong

But as f2p i would go for training speed instead of stats

[eager mortar]

Actually, we are. My initial response was that if low spend of f2p, the champion grieves are more worthwhile than the strides.

Not saying the strides are bad, but unless you get more Bells and whistles (other stuff), it can be pretty bad.

[mortal flume]

i like the strider more than the grieves

[steel owl]

I also play with that, because it's harder to get infantry on a mixt

[eager mortar]

Infantry is less important when it comes to defense. More important when it comes to offense

[rocky knoll]

I just did the monke thing and made 3 pieces on my alt for less food lost during rebuilds, more training speed and something to put in speed set without using beasthelm mats

[eager mortar]

I respect your opinion

[rocky knoll]

but I'm also skipping manes on it in pinballs

[mortal flume]

Actually cav is harder

[eager mortar]

With that being said, in my opinion. Cavalry grieves are more worthwhile for low spend or f2p

[mortal flume]

Tbh I would just go for a helmet instead of boots

Helmet gives the biggest boost

[eager mortar]

Biggest hp boost. Boots give the biggest single stat boost

When it comes to attack

[mortal flume]

hp is more important than atk most of the times

[rocky knoll]

helmet isn't rly worth since it's the one slot where f2p has a usable option

bumble is pretty good

you need champ same grade for it to be better in mix

[mortal flume]

by the time they get beasthelm to mythic they will be able to get a gold cav helmet which gives more hp

[steel owl]

I dont enough about to add more to my opinion

As I imagine my gear, i will have good cav stats and i needed infantry

[mortal flume]

mainhand and accessories

[rocky knoll]

accessories aren't even close

a +15 cup loses to a no astra faith

[mortal flume]

cups are doable f2p

faith not really

[rocky knoll]

bumble is too

[mortal flume]

i'm at 4/10 towards gold

and i got more than 8 gold manes so far

[rocky knoll]

you get more stats over the f2p alternative with legs and it costs less manes

[mortal flume]

which means i could have get a cav helm

[eager mortar]

When you’re low spend or F2P, most want to become a filler. If you want to be a filler, you need to defend yourself. Current meta puts infantry heavy mix at the forefront of what a vulnerable looking castle will face in opposition. Cavalry stats are the single most important stat (according to the current meta) when it comes to defensive capability.

[steel owl]

As f2p isnt the training speed worth it ?

[mortal flume]

not really

you will shield most of the time

[eager mortar]

Hp is more important only if you have the attack to stop the assault first. If you’re allowing siege walkback, adding hp at the cost of attack will not stop the walkback. Hp is the cushion you need to take less losses, after you can stop the attack.

[steel owl]

Okay

[rocky knoll]

it's good, used to be a no brainer before all the free manes igg dropped since you couldn't realistically expect to get mythic legs

but now it's actually viable to put champ into mix on a f2p account

[steel owl]

Why HP is so worth it ? Doesnt it depends of familiars ?

Isnt it a familiars who gives bonus when your troops die ?

[rocky knoll]

at a certain point when you cap rallies and do it fast more hp is the only real way to reduce dmg since a significant part of dmg you take when you counter is from p5 fam active skills and only way to reduce that dmg is more def and hp with hp having a significantly better result.

[steel owl]

Like trickstar, more of your troops die, more you get boosts

[mortal flume]

it's bad

stackers aren't that great when it comes to defend with them since you lose troops but you get 100% atk which isn't enough to deal the same amount of dmg as the lost troops would have made

[rocky knoll]

and unless your comp is tiny losing 10% is a lot of troops

[steel owl]

Okay

Now I know 🤣

[eager mortar]

Don’t think of trickstar like a stacking ability. Even though you can can up to +600-700% in an attack. You’ll expect only 100-200% when you use it defensively, assuming the comp is big and you take a massive hit.

During attacks, increasing attack as you lose troops is a way of sustaining damage. So even though you’re boosting attack, you’re not really inflicting more damage.

[steel owl]

I was asking if i should prioritize hp or atk because of this kind of familiars

Myself*

[rocky knoll]

depends what comp you run and how much atk you already have

[steel owl]

Okay, ill remember that

[mortal flume]

with a t3 front it can be used

[rocky knoll]

the more troops you have and the higher your atk the nicer hp becomes 🤷‍♂️

[mortal flume]

since you not really losing that much troops during a battle and you don't have a fat comp

ofc with good stats

[rocky knoll]

use what ?

[mortal flume]

stacker

[rocky knoll]

why would you do that tho if you have good stats the 100 atk is irrelevant

[mortal flume]

i mean good 600 ish mix

[rocky knoll]

way better to get 60/60 fam, shield and 80% hp one to make front hold better

or p5 if not f2p

[mortal flume]

better to just get jade and 3 p5

[eager mortar]

I wouldn’t use a stacker on a t3 front. The stacker is bad for multiple reasons. If you’re getting infantry countered, adding 100% range attack is mostly irrelevant

[rocky knoll]

not rly shield is better than any of those

this is pretty good 3 slot setup for a range stack acc

[eager mortar]

And if you’re getting infantry countered, having cav stats.. is key to taking less losses. Which is why I said grieves > Strides

Well, one of the keys anyway

[rocky knoll]

cav stats are a huge pain

[eager mortar]

My stats mostly even across the board. But they’re high enough to where I can defend just about anything

[rocky knoll]

slowly working on a gold polar ring to replace blight to get some cav on my filler/party trap

[mortal flume]

and if you are in inf wedge and they hit you with cav heavy rng stats come handy

tbh who even use rng wedge anymore literally worse formation now

[eager mortar]

Well, maybe not anything. 10 timed rallies would probably do me in.
But till today, no one has managed to burn me when my leader is home

[rocky knoll]

not rly it's still stupid good at taking counters if you are properly setup

[mortal flume]

but not that great taking mix hits

[eager mortar]

Well.. 2 have. Both of them were out of gear.

[mortal flume]

i have a report why

[rocky knoll]

if you are properly setup it's fine

[eager mortar]

Ehh.. I beg to differ. If your wall is up, r wedge is still the best formation for anything.

Overall

I took 1stknight in r wedge. 15 1 4

[mortal flume]

this is just a solo hit

managed to burn me after 15 solos LOL

taking counters in rng wedge is great but taking mix is just a pain

i wasn't in gear tho

[rocky knoll]

I have a better report if you want to hate on range wedge, this guy was online for this but wall down vs range phal send range wedge fuked him over

[mortal flume]

that's what i'm saying

i had a bad comp tho he solod out most of my t4 LOL i just healed t2s cus just got on for his last hit

[rocky knoll]

but I'm not using broke fams broke heroes and broke gear like him so like I said properly setup it's fine

[eager mortar]

You’re missing the point, they sent in r phal lol

[mortal flume]

you seen my fake gear ? LOL

now that's broke gear

[rocky knoll]

we expected him to go range wedge cuz he defaulted to that day before when he capped the guy we were trying to rescue

he started with 85m troops

[eager mortar]

Brilliant tactics lol

[mortal flume]

can't wait for 700k solo marches

[rocky knoll]

but took a 12m news cav rally into inf before this and a 5.5m news cav on cav for which he was pretending to be off

[eager mortar]

I burned 35m troops the other day in CA

Mix rally.. new pb

[rocky knoll]

that's nice

[eager mortar]

It’s not bad I guess, for under 50 castle stars

[mortal flume]

my new pb is getting hit 2 times by a noodle LOL

[rocky knoll]

my pb

guy was online for it

[mortal flume]

he knew what to do

[eager mortar]

I love when they go cav front for mix

[mortal flume]

they are forced

against 1505 1433 you are forced to go cav wedge

[rocky knoll]

even better when they have no low cav after being murdered by range rallies

[eager mortar]

Yup lol

[rocky knoll]

he migrated out with leads this was might after burn

[eager mortar]

I always take mix in range front. Regardless of comp

If there’s no range, I’ll
Consider cav front. Otherwise, it’s range front

[mortal flume]

last time i took a hit he bw me LOL

[rocky knoll]

on main I'm going cav on 14/3/3 etc cuz I have stupid stacked cav stats and it actually works

[mortal flume]

i should do that soon lol use my cav gear as real gear LOL

[eager mortar]

Mine is stacked range stats on 6/2/2, it still works lol

[mortal flume]

i'm heavy inf

even tho i don't have full inf gold jewels

[eager mortar]

HOLY, I’m talking to Patrick

@mortal flume

[mortal flume]

lol

[mortal flume]

what to look here

[rocky knoll]

I just use my 424 gear for taking mix

[eager mortar]

Range wedge defense on both

[mortal flume]

isn't that your 659 ?

[rocky knoll]

no I run 659 in different set

[mortal flume]

what's the difference?

[rocky knoll]

I run more range in it

[eager mortar]

That’s awesome distribution

[rocky knoll]

it's good for cav phal v cav phal

[mortal flume]

your rng base stats are low

compared to other

what's the max like 800

[rocky knoll]

something around that now yes

I don't rly care for range base stats

[eager mortar]

424/442

[rocky knoll]

my range blast is good enough as is

[eager mortar]

Consider.. it’s no champ.

[rocky knoll]

mine is no altar

I ran out today

[rocky knoll]

nvm I'm lying I forgot I chopped one for showdown

[eager mortar]

I sent the wrong army stat page for 622

655 in my true mix

But that’s as good as it’ll get for me. I need to make the decision to add 2 army att jewels, or 2 more champ jewels at the cost of attack. Not sure what I’ll do

[rocky knoll]

I've been playing around with running 14/3/3 on my alt with this and it's been working nicely

[eager mortar]

622 sorry..

[eager mortar]

Mostly inf no?

[rocky knoll]

yes

[eager mortar]

I see the big leads doing that a lot

[rocky knoll]

just replacing mainhand for some range stats when people cav front it

[eager mortar]

I guess with stats as high as yours it could be worthwhile. For me, I tested my 622 with inf gear and mix. Inf gear did better when the opponent was range front, mix did better for any other front. In my experience anyway

[rocky knoll]

the account with that set has worse army stats and base stats on 2 types than you so it's nothing crazy

[eager mortar]

Worth noting that you and I go for different levels of opponents lol

[rocky knoll]

😅

[eager mortar]

That’s mine lol

[rocky knoll]

bit low on inf for 622 tbh

[eager mortar]

I could swap in my terror shield

It’s also mix talents for me

[rocky knoll]

I'd do terror shield in pvp mix for sure

[rocky knoll]

especially if you run 622 for it

[eager mortar]

With terror shield

[rocky knoll]

I guess no champ jewel means it doesn't work as good

[eager mortar]

Fooling around with it, got this

[eager mortar]

I could swap it in too, but we can add 15% lol

I have a ton of possible gear combinations, just need to explore

[rocky knoll]

I've been running 14/0/6 with this on my main (full range march from lead)

Ignore set name I forgot to change it when making the preset and I'm saving gems by not fixing it

[eager mortar]

IMO, I think you might get better value with the skullcrusher. Less inf, higher range, and more cav through army ATt

[rocky knoll]

I mainly want the hp from cane

since it's like 60% inf in the rally

[eager mortar]

I can see that I guess, it works

[rocky knoll]

and my crusher has even worse astra

been very low on my list of priorities since it only is getting used in 442

all my monster astra recently is getting spent on mix cups

[eager mortar]

I use it in all my mix sets lol

Expensive to astra, but a lot of army ATt

[rocky knoll]

yeah but I have edge

🫣

[eager mortar]

It’s better in cav lol, but the army attack total on skullcrusher still beats out the edge.

When tempered the same

[rocky knoll]

well I like cav and made my edge +6 so skull crusher would need to play catchup and it's still less overall stats

[eager mortar]

30% for +12 edge, I’m getting 40% for my +12 crusher

[eager mortar]

I can see that, no worries. You’re making the best possible judgement with what you have. It’s all any of us can do

[rocky knoll]

it makes my 442 set work

otherwise it would be way too heavy cav

since all my stuff is jeweled for 424

[eager mortar]

In the end, monster gear gets you reasonably close, but will never surpass champion gear

Certain pieces.. skullcrusher, bumblehelm, talons/tassets, cup/polar/book.. decent value with 2 type attack. But it won’t beat out a full champ

[rocky knoll]

With my range base being low and cav base being high I end up about same amount of range as cav in 442

[karmic stratus]

Im still stuck on running 866 and 569

[steel owl]

Is having a brain a worth it thing to surpass champion gear ?

[eager mortar]

Absolutely it is

[steel owl]

😂

For now im only seeing stupid guys with champion sets (my new acc is in close kd)

[eager mortar]

I beat people with 1-4 pieces of champ regularly. sometimes even 5-6 pieces. Knowledge takes you a long way.

[rocky knoll]

Just max your account and never fight other maxed people than you can turn off your brain

[karmic stratus]

You should do that kari

[rocky knoll]

No moni

[karmic stratus]

No monies after all your lunite

[eager mortar]

It’s fun challenging others with champ pieces.. and spanking them. But I can’t do that to all champ players.. just some of them. That’s enough for me

[steel owl]

Still stuck with familiars. Im planing to make a huge push in gear and heroes for stats, but for familiars it's something else

[rocky knoll]

Only like 80$ a month across 3 accounts which is very fun and sustainable

[karmic stratus]

Yeah I just started getting lunite , its a lot cheaper than I thought. have something like 1,5 billion right now

[eager mortar]

Artifacts, then gear.

Gear is important, but the artifacts make the biggest difference in most battles.

You can focus artifacts while slow rolling your gear

[karmic stratus]

Only thing artifacts dont give you sadly is any army health besides that 5% from the milestone thing

[eager mortar]

I’m proof of that, I have monster gear that most f2p or low spenders would kill for. Pretty high astra. But my stats are considered lower

[steel owl]

Artifacts are wayy to expensive

[karmic stratus]

What? Artifacts are cheap

[steel owl]

In packs ?

[karmic stratus]

Yes.

Just get the limited bundles when they come out

[eager mortar]

Artifacts expensive af 😂

[karmic stratus]

Do your daily and get 200 royal coins every day

Kingdom labor pass, super cheap to get really good upgrades

[rocky knoll]

if you want to bless rankings sure, otherwise they are pretty cheap 🤷‍♂️

[eager mortar]

Well, some of the best artifacts are behind the ranking system

[rocky knoll]

this account has less than 5k spent on artifacts

[karmic stratus]

Doesnt it have like 1k mix too

[rocky knoll]

and he has all rankings unlocked

[steel owl]

Im focusing on war artifacts but it's really long to get decent stats

[rocky knoll]

nah his mix is pretty low in 950s or so

[karmic stratus]

Still high

[rocky knoll]

he has no astra on it

[steel owl]

5k is crazy lol

[rocky knoll]

and blast jeweled most pieces

[eager mortar]

I’ll be lucky to push 900 mix with similar artifact levels

[steel owl]

I dont plan to spend that much right now, i dont need too because im in closed kd

[rocky knoll]

not when building a lead account you won't even make a champ set in that

[karmic stratus]

Id be surprised if you werent similar with that many blessings etc...

[rocky knoll]

his only champ is in that picture

[eager mortar]

Are you saying that because of my stats I posted earlier?

[karmic stratus]

Account would have to be massively underutilised if you had 1200 level and 118 blessings with and under 900 mix

[steel owl]

Yes I know lol. But there is many things to do before spending thousands in artifacts

Like I can also get good things without buying

[rocky knoll]

sure you can be f2p 🤷‍♂️

[steel owl]

Gold labour pass gives some

[rocky knoll]

but when spending artifacts are the cheapest stats by far

[eager mortar]

Well, I only have 1 mythic champ piece. In all of my mix stats I posted, that’s monster gear.

And I use it for food.

[rocky knoll]

the 118 bless guy is 2pc champ

the boots and chest

he might also have offhand not sure

[steel owl]

Astra 15 boots lol

[rocky knoll]

but it's not used in any war gear

[karmic stratus]

Well your mix is a bit better than me because of your individual troop health and i have 3 champion and more blessings than you

So I assume your artifacts are a little better than mine also because you have higher base

[eager mortar]

Well, my whole thing is to be competative for my size and relative artifact and castle stars. I think I’ve achieved that lol

[karmic stratus]

With 118 blessings I am more than certain you would have 900+ mix

[rocky knoll]

118 if you aren't blessing storage capacity etc is all war stat artis other than event/royals blessed + some royals on top

[eager mortar]

Well that’s nice of you to say, I appreciate that. Are your stats in fury?

[karmic stratus]

Yes

[eager mortar]

Ah, beautiful

[karmic stratus]

you have like 100 more levels,we have similar castle stars so you would definitely be 900+ on mix with 118 blessings lol

[eager mortar]

The difference will be when you catch up in your Astra, my equipments nearing the end of its limits

[rocky knoll]

mix gear on the 118 bless

[karmic stratus]

Not really spending so astra wont be moving much , focused on my faith artifacts and passive heroes

[eager mortar]

I don’t have any passive heroes lol.. couldn’t be bothered to spend on them. I have the free ones. And I have yet to max flower maiden

[karmic stratus]

I dont even have boom at gold yet

[eager mortar]

Well being a 3 piece, with all of them giving army Hp and army att. It’ll catch up with Astra eventually. You’re already beating me in terms of army hp. The only way I remain at any advantage is through troop hp and army att.

[karmic stratus]

Yeah I still need to finish the vergeway cards too for the 11%

[eager mortar]

Which I admit, the troop hp was a priority for me because I knew the army Hp would be a hard stop limit with monster gear

[karmic stratus]

Well when I get 2 more purple champion jewels, and 1 more gold mane my gold faith and an extra champion jewel will come in handy

[rocky knoll]

ok it's not gonna be 950s mix he's shielded so no fury stats + fury on the side

[eager mortar]

That’s still 900 mix lol

[rocky knoll]

yes but not 950s

[eager mortar]

That hp tho.. that’s where I’d like to be with troop hp

[karmic stratus]

And a lot of individual troop health too

I would like my troop healths around 500 but want my army health to be like 800

[eager mortar]

I want my troop hps at around 650-700. My army Hp could be higher if I made infirms, but the absolute max is like 705%, I did the calculations

[rocky knoll]

if you want 700s on troop hp you will need very fat artifacts

[karmic stratus]

Currently missing 3-4 champion jewels I think so mine probably will max out at around 760

[eager mortar]

Grawlf has… nearly 1k troop hp across the board lol..

Or maybe has it already

[rocky knoll]

yes and a 118 bless 1200 lvls account is under 700

so you still need a lot of artifacts if you want 700

[eager mortar]

lol got it

[karmic stratus]

I spend on the good decoration events when theyre out those are nice boosts that no one really looks at

[rocky knoll]

this is 1500 lvls 162 blessed

no forts

with no fake lvls on the non war storage etc artis

and no fake bless on those either

[eager mortar]

But how many of that is attack arts? I think if I just did hp.. I could probably outclass stronger attack based opponents.

[rocky knoll]

he has all war stuff lvl8+ blessed with most good atk ones lvl12

[eager mortar]

I see

[eager mortar]

Good stuff for reference for sure

[rocky knoll]

his golds are all lvl10 or better I believe

[karmic stratus]

Kari I think I might have enough to start mana charge 2 partially by the way

[rocky knoll]

pro filler

[karmic stratus]

I burned so many speed ups going form no mana to mana 1

The chamber was so many days

[rocky knoll]

yeah it's stupid especially chamber

[karmic stratus]

Was like 30 days a level

[rocky knoll]

I'm letting it upgrade rn on my filler while I save mana to do next lvls on it

[karmic stratus]

Think I will just rush castle and battlehall upgrades

[rocky knoll]

😅

[karmic stratus]

Army size takes it up to like what ? 2,47 million on a castle rally at max castle and hall?

[rocky knoll]

2.49 at lvl5

with 50% size boost

[eager mortar]

It’s been established that the update is strong.. for solo attacks and if you can get multiple people with high levels of mana.. but how strong is it? Say someone unlocked 12% attributes?

[karmic stratus]

My account was zeroed in chaos arena by dooly with 7 attacks on cavalry phalanx

4-5 of those were leaderless hits too

Granted was done on purpose

[eager mortar]

I’ve seen some crazy things

[karmic stratus]

But 7 full 500k tier 5 attacks on cavalry phalanx on my castle with 34 million troops

[eager mortar]

Like a leaderless solo walking back From 24m troops

[karmic stratus]

Zeroed me

[eager mortar]

Wow

[karmic stratus]

I think his 4th hit burned me whilst was leaderless

Then did a test when i was leaderless cavalry phalanx, he hit me for 5,6 million on first march and walked away with like 2 troops

mana 6 is no joke

Getting hit with a mana 4-6 rally from a max account going to mega mega hurt

[eager mortar]

Well, all the fillers need to be mana 4-6 for it to be 4-6

[rocky knoll]

I just want to have mana 1 in pvp rallies if I get it done on my accs with the couple lvl2 people we have in guild we might start having some lvl1 average

[karmic stratus]

yeah not going to happen/be common for a long long time

[eager mortar]

And truth is, not everyone wants to spend for that. And the rally leads ain’t even mad about it

[karmic stratus]

Yeah annoyed that mymana 1 gets ruined by losers now

[rocky knoll]

incredible actual useful drop from the event

[karmic stratus]

[plush timber]

It's possible, it's not just a myth

[short halo]

Haha. I send leaderless attacks all the time! 🤣

[patent silo]

how??

[torn flame]

For those that want to check gear stat and simulate your gear with jewel, feel free to check out the link below. Do note that this is not an official tool by IGG but a community made.
Link: https://gearsim.pages.dev

It has temper option and also emp gear with jewel slot as well^^

[lean edge]

Why simulate gear tho, just make best pieces

[torn flame]

Basically for people to figure out how their stat looking like once its maxed or with better jewel

[lean edge]

Or you need a tool to check « hmm, beasthelm instead of bumblehelm will give me more inf but less cav and no range »

[lean edge]

[torn flame]

some player are also new to the game so it could also help 😉

[lean edge]

Eh maybe some people could find it useful somehow

[torn flame]

definitely for sure, since even the official tool have it, although not updated.

[delicate barn]

Dam I wama see the armer and all info lol what's the name

[slate sage]

Op blast

[mortal flume]

bro forgot about astralite

[slate sage]

Actually On the drum I got 15 🤓

[karmic stratus]

Yeah nice 1 +15 is definitely better than 2 7+ drums

[rocky knoll]

It's nice pieces but without astra it's gonna noodle

[oak lily]

[slate sage]

Better like this ?

(It’s not photoshopped it’s was a bug)

[rocky knoll]

not much still no jewels

[slate sage]

Not that bad the inf is not bad jeweled

[broken lagoon]

Get Faith

[mortal flume]

just missing a few da jewels

[slate sage]

I got arena guy 5-6 month ago

[patent silo]

Making three scrolls like this guy is a good or a bad choice?

[mortal flume]

it's just a good amount of hp and attack

[lofty solar]

If you are that rich jus make cups tbh

[patent silo]

Scrolls are easy to made, aren't they?

[lofty solar]

Ye

[mortal flume]

i mean it's easy but you are better of with cups

[karmic stratus]

No way thats the real mix

He will probably just have those on for idle hypering or something

[mortal flume]

in good old days ppl used to have 3 rings when defending castle

because of the hp

[karmic stratus]

Just use 3 faith

[eager mortar]

How much army att and army Hp at +15 scrolls?

I’ve often thought about +15 scrolls with champ jewel, army att jewel and an attack jewel of choice lol. I know it won’t work for better opponents, but it would work against some of the smaller players for sure.

[eager mortar]

Yeah, not enough to compete with better end opponents, but still, with army att jewel and champ jewel. 30% army att and 35% army hp. And att jewel to preference.

90% army att and 105 army hp between 3 of them set up like that

[torn flame]

If he already have 4pc, might as well go for 3 ring

[eager mortar]

The attack total for 3 scrolls definitely beats out 3 rings. But the Hp is better on the rings 100%. I’d argue 3 scrolls jeweled the way i describe them give better stat balance than 3 rings.

[pearl heron]

I don't think people with gold army assault jewels will prefer burning scroll over champ accessories which they will most certainly have at that point

[short halo]

What’s this your using?

[frail wave]

Which armor is the best for cav attack

[torn flame]

For those that want to check gear stat and simulate your gear with jewel, feel free to check out the link below. Do note that this is not an official tool by IGG but a community made.
Link: https://gearsim.pages.dev

Its an improved tool that I made based on the original official game tool, although not perfect.

[short halo]

Brill. Thanks mate. IGG one so out dated.

[torn flame]

yeah, though mine not perfect either XD

I made it within 5 hour so

I'll probably improve it later on when I had free time

[rocky knoll]

100$ accessory 1000$ jewels xD

[short halo]

An option to save sets. Or. Input all gears in and it give recommendations. lol.

[foggy oyster]

Recommendations feature will be lit for new players like me

[mortal flume]

Just get lucky

[nova delta]

IGG ID : 702200529

[pearl fossil]

whats this for?

[dim edge]

For your attention

[torn flame]

hmm, thats interesting for the option to save sets. Give recommendation would be sorta harder to do because every player has their own preference on stat weight

But I can probably do something like creating a link when set are saved, and letting the user name it. Then there would be ranking of sets where user can see and "like" so the higher like it has, the higher ranking it'll be.

[torn flame]

For those that want to check gear stat and simulate your latest gear(emp gear, new monster gear and tempered gear) with jewel, feel free to check out the link below. Do note that this is not an official tool by IGG but a community made.

• Added calculator(A bit better when calculating everything at once rather than doing it every time compared to official tool)
• Now can save the gear and load it anytime or share the link with others!(just like pastebin^^)
• Added gear set ranking(based on community's saved gear set)
  Link: https://gearsim.pages.dev

[dreamy wadi]

Doubt training 20m t2 is 100m gems 😂😂 with 500 training speed (7hospitals)

[eager mortar]

Ran a cav blast today… my cav hp hit 705% without the rejewel.. 720% with it. I have a long way to go lol.

[karmic stratus]

Just a few thousand dollars and you can get there

[eager mortar]

Few thousand total? Or few thousand per troop type? lol

[karmic stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-shades-mib-men-in-black-neuralyzer-gif-17328155

[safe vigil]

[torn flame]

500?

geez, I still working on getting the calculator works since I don't have the formula right yet

Oh yeah, forgot to include training speed and subsidy into the gem calculation

[broken lagoon]

Get good Bro

[dreamy wadi]

also at gear selection make it a bit bigger so you can actually see the 3rd jewel slot

kinda confusing at start

[torn flame]

will do!

ty for feedback, will solve those once im free

[hallow lantern]

Anyone know how to get free jewels?

My jewels are weak

[eager mortar]

Absolutely, do your guildfest. Specifically hell events. And overtime you will accumulate jewel chests. The process is slow, but free

[viscid star]

I want to make blast gear , so can someone tell me which blast gear I should make first among infantry, ranged, and cavalry — and why?

[steel owl]

Cavalry is easier

But i dont know which one is the best

[stark cypress]

[hallow lantern]

I am waiting for jewels more than 10month got only 2 golden jewels 😭😭

[next otter]

Max hoarder familiar. Save guildcoins and buy jewel chest and send prayers for drops 🤣 these are the only regular f2p way to get jewels, these takes a lot of time

[mortal flume]

Guild / admin quests

Never use gems for jewels

I would rather use gems for labyrinth stars than on jewel chests lol

[hallow lantern]

My hoarder is maxed already but it is useless. Didn't give me even 1 golden attack jewels

[mortal flume]

Average drops from hoarder

[hallow lantern]

😩

Same

[mild bolt]

Unlucky

[eager mortar]

You need to be patient, these things take a lot of time. Progress is slow for F2P.

[rocky knoll]

Meanwhile I'm here gemming jewel chests on my f2p trap 😬

[weak pier]

i have been wanting to do that on my low-p2p solo trap.... but lets just say im not very good at saving gems T_T

[mortal flume]

You won jackpot tho

[rocky knoll]

Not on that account 🤷‍♂️

[mortal flume]

Oh so it's your "food hyper "

[rocky knoll]

Yeah other account has hoarder so no need to use gems on jewels

And it isn't f2p anyways

Like very not f2p

[broken lagoon]

All these herores looks like F2P

[mortal flume]

Yes they are f2p

[rocky knoll]

[mortal flume]

You get them through paragon , you little time traveller

[rocky knoll]

Tbh paragon helped a lot I've been getting rank 1 pretty much every single hero one since they came out on that account saved me like 80$

[mortal flume]

Well ppl around purple now no ?

[rocky knoll]

On my main I didn't use any yet and I have 160 so ye

I think I missed one event

[rustic quest]

🤡

[junior plover]

😳

[sharp crater]

What to do with these

[rocky knoll]

make more +15 drums

[sharp crater]

[rocky knoll]

make more +15 drums

never enough +15 drums

[sharp crater]

Show your cabinet with full +15 drums @rocky knoll

[rocky knoll]

I'm f2p

not 🐳 like you

can't afford drums

[sharp crater]

Im F2p wdym

[rocky knoll]

castle lvl5 when

[sharp crater]

bro got +15 rowdy so he ditch drums rich

[rocky knoll]

not even one of those me broke

[sharp crater]

U wanna share your cav set

[rocky knoll]

my rowdy purple

[rocky knoll]

look very real cav gear

[blazing dragon]

Oh yeah, the +15 drums with the +4 cudgel, very real for sure, I see nothing amiss lol

[true walrus]

+8 skulcrusher or +15 frostwing sword for 947?

[supple cargo]

427303383 A

[rocky knoll]

idk that doesn't feel very wrong lol have you seen price of +15 drums

[rocky knoll]

this is real cav gear on my alt and those drums will go to +15 before cudgel gets anything

[blazing dragon]

That’s fair, honestly all the garg pieces are good value for the astra

[short halo]

Eughh... my cav sucks...

[rocky knoll]

Don't you have a bunch of champ accessories? Lol

[mild bolt]

Bros gear better than my stats with gear

[short halo]

Haha. 😜 shhh 🤫

[rocky knoll]

the set I posted is on the low end of what can be allowed to lead rallies in weak guilds

[short halo]

This is my Cav I allow people to see. 😂

[rocky knoll]

very believable with 200 stars

[short halo]

No no no sir.

This is believable. 🤣

That’s my real cav. 😂

[rocky knoll]

ouchey that mainhand

nice set overall tho

[short halo]

Edge in process. Blade last on my list.

I have my reasons. lol.

My inf blast is highest overall with only 2x champ pieces. My range lowest. So I’m working on Range champ items atm.
Then I’ll re-look at jewels etc as I mix my champ pieces up to be competitive in wonders.

[rocky knoll]

well using champ accessories makes your cav % lower due to army stats they provide instead of troop you'd get from monster pieces

the acount with that full monster cav setup I posted has similarly bad everything else ;p

[short halo]

lol. Not bad. A work in progress dude. You are correct. And because the way the army Atk/hp outweigh it. It’s actually my best blast. But it’s ideal. Because the way it’s jewelled also allowed me for my certain wonder setups. 🙂 but even mine mate. It’s a work in progress.

[rocky knoll]

tbh that cav set isn't getting worked on much that account is my alt and is mainly used to send inf, the cav is an afterthought

[errant gate]

for astralite should i hit level.4 or level.5 monster?

[patent silo]

Blue Champion blade or purple frostwing greatsword , which should i choose for mix attack

[steel owl]

mythic skullcrusher

[steel owl]

$$$

[hallow lantern]

Insane gears in cav 😆😆

[scarlet lance]

I need a suggestion.
I'm building my mixed gear , i can make 1 purple cup from bon appetie, or
i can make 2 blue cups, and 1 ring from mega maggot.
Which is better? 1 purple or 2 blue cup?

[steel owl]

1 cup and other access I think

[scarlet lance]

Okk... thanks

[patent silo]

Most likely 2 cups

[patent silo]

They are better than other accessories

2 blue cups with 1 ring

[patent silo]

Give me 1

[scarlet lance]

After comparing the stats i did 2 cups and 1 ring....

[patent silo]

Yeah they are better then other accessories

[steel owl]

But having 2 blue cups isnt good

Focusing on 1 us better

Then of course, starting an other cup will help a lot

[leaden fossil]

Is it better to push for champion helm after my second cup is mythic or I focus on artifacts instead?

[mortal flume]

Do you plan on getting more than 1 piece of champ ?

If no than go for a faith if yes than cav champ helm and than faith

[wintry silo]

question - maybe one for #🌱┊new-player-help too - but if i have gear on gives the best research boost when i start the research, does that boost last for the duration of the research, even if i change to other gears?

Likewise, if i don't have the research gear on when i start the research, does switching into that (Like when i'm offline overnight) give any benefit?

[mortal flume]

You only need to equip it when you start it

[wintry silo]

This is a game changer for me, a noob

also kicking myself at how many times i've left research gear on thinking it was helping when i could have been doing something else

[carmine granite]

:

[wide condor]

Champ cav helm and replace ring for book of the dead

[eager mortar]

Nah, cav helm is great, but book of the dead is less overall value than blight ring. Better for him to go for faith and skip the helm if that’s the case.

[mortal flume]

helm should be 3rd for him

[eager mortar]

I’m not saying the boots isn’t one of the best pieces out there, or that the cav helm isn’t great. I’m saying swapping out a blight ring for book of the dead is a bad swap. And if he wanted that, he should just go for a faith instead of the others.

@mortal flume

Also, hi Patrick

[mortal flume]

read what i said again

helm should be 3rd mythic for him

[eager mortar]

Right, with no context as to what should be first or second

[mortal flume]

he already have a mythic champ and you mentioned faith so there is the context

don't be a dummy

[eager mortar]

Don’t be a Patrick Patrick.
So what should be second?

Doesn’t necessarily mean you agreed with me even if he has 1 piece already.

https://tenor.com/view/btweers-gif-12554037691025205909

[eager mortar]

You and I don’t exactly have a history of being agreeable. So forgive me if I thought you meant mainhand, offhand, or armor.

[mortal flume]

armor offhand sucks

mainhand is just replaceable with crusher

only need mainhand/armor if you like 659

[eager mortar]

Well, you’ve said questionable things in the past

[mortal flume]

and you got rage baited by it so hard

it was hilarious

[eager mortar]

Not so sure about that Patrick, not so far fetched to simply believe you’re just not the sharpest tool in the shed.

[mortal flume]

but hey this is a world where f2p can't give advice

let me ask oleg real quick

[eager mortar]

lol you think a name drop means anything to me? Oleg ain’t nothin.

[mortal flume]

it's not about that ......

bruh

seems like you did not see this in #🌱┊new-player-help

[eager mortar]

Being a large spender doesn’t equate to most knowledgeable by any stretch of the imagination. And you made it a point to say, you’ll ask Oleg lol

[mortal flume]

we've been joking about this for 2 weeks now

the more someone spends the more ppl will listen to him

even tho he isn't right

and someone told layd that he should not give advice as f2p

if i remember right

since than we joke with this

[eager mortar]

You’re right, I don’t pay attention to all the channels. My bad I guess

[rocky knoll]

Armor is nice I'm using +3 over +15 firewall a lot

When hitting cav phal on cav phal it gets much better results

[eager mortar]

Looool

[mortal flume]

so in the 10 % it's better

[leaden fossil]

Thanks @mortal flume @eager mortar @wide condor

Btw, why faith before cav helm? I thought the cav helm had more hp and they bothe have 14% army atk

[rocky knoll]

More than 10% ends up cav phal on cav phal when you use 659/569

It's better in every scenario when enemy goes cav phal, just shows the most on cav v cav

It's better against 064 and 208 too 🤷‍♂️

If you range phal someone's mix than firewall works better

And they have to not cav phal

[mortal flume]

wait let's just read back what i said

[mortal flume]

bb helm is really good you would only get a small increase compared to faith

[eager mortar]

Let’s read back on something you said as well.. why ask him if he’s getting more than 1 piece champ if.. he already has 1 piece mythic champ?

[mortal flume]

yes he can get 2 more or 3 more or just 1 more

[rustic trellis]

Your opinion?

[rocky knoll]

It's even more useful in 442 992 etc lol

It's better in almost every single scenario with those comps

I was providing 424 style comp related examples since that's the only place where firewall has any arguments for being better, in 442 style it's not even close

[rocky knoll]

Is it really tho ?
At +4 he's getting 90 atk 30 hp, helmet no astra will give him 91 atk 49 hp so increase of 19 army hp and 1 total atk and a huge increase to his cav blast, meanwhile a faith at 2x cost over ring gains him 10.4 army hp 58 ish atk and a much more expensive to astra piece

I'd go helmet in a heartbeat even just on the argument of price to astralite and initial build cost since bee helm costs nearly as much as champ to astra

[glass ingot]

I was never a fan of bumble helm ;))

Been long journey since gambles won't succeed for months.

[eager mortar]

Well, don’t cav phal someone with a bumblehelm lol.

[eager mortar]

You make a valid point Kari, but I need to clarify the argument. OP was saying he wanted to replace blight ring with book of the dead. I went along to say that book of the dead wasn’t worth it, and that if he wanted those stats, he was better off getting a faith instead of book.

[mortal flume]

i see ppl run 442 style mix in firewall too just because they didn't do that champ piece

and as i said right there mainly need armor in 659

in a heavy inf one you would run firewall

[mortal flume]

but he could use his monster astra over normal astra on helmet and monster astra much cheaper

[rocky knoll]

Yes and it's terrible there lol

[rocky knoll]

Chests that give you monster astra you can use on bee have astra for crusher and cup in them too much better choices over a helmet you will want to replace

[rocky knoll]

If you go inf heavy better off just going with terror shield tbh firewall mainly gives you cav stats

[mortal flume]

if he wants to replace that

[rocky knoll]

Welcome to spending astra on bee, very good long term upgrade when you slow roll champ

Was getting used for like a year tho so guess he got some value from it

[mortal flume]

didn't you said that going for faith is better like 2-3 months ago ?

[rocky knoll]

Than helmet ?

No

Than chest mainhand and offhand yes

If you only care about mix

And are a masochist who doesn't want to hold food

[mortal flume]

than it might have been someone else

[rocky knoll]

It's boots-helmet-faiths if you want max mix stats

[mortal flume]

but i def remember someone said it

but i still think that armor offhand and mainhand pretty much useless unless you want to min max

[rocky knoll]

Helmet is stupid good, replaces +15 bee in cav without any astra

[rocky knoll]

Armor is way too good quality of life to skip

If you're spending on champ not making it at least gold is

[mortal flume]

yeah if you want to spend a couple of 100 bucks to be able to hold food and not making a bank for yourself with food positive sure

[rocky knoll]

Tell me you aren't a rally lead without telling me you aren't a rally lead lol

Bank is all nice and cool till you need to heal 1m T5 between solos while zeroing someone

If you only use food to heal after rallies and do hell events/rebuild than sure chest isn't a big deal, the moment you start soloing people it becomes a very big deal

Being able to heal your fillers during rallies while bank isn't keeping up also helps 🤷‍♂️

And the most requested rss than is food since even ones with rss open mostly don't have champ so no food

[mortal flume]

that only becomes an issue if you do it while wow because than you could get a lot of wounded in a sec else it won't really

[rocky knoll]

Or when you're zeroing more than one person at once

[mortal flume]

you need at least 3 rallies min up to fill beds quick

[rocky knoll]

That happens quite often, people have alts and a lot of shield drops are 2/3 targets at once

[rocky knoll]

Not rly I run 400k beds to make it so my training speed isn't horrible when I need to do hells for events/train troops for ice event etc my rally getting capped/almost capped is 225k + 120k per each rally I'm filling, guild bank even with snowbeast which isn't always available isn't keeping up healing fillers and me when that happens, and I'm not logging off while running a rally to swap to a personal bank

Nor am I always home to run one on an emulator or lords pc while I run my rally

Most of the non wonder leads in my guild run even less beds, 250k to be exact so unless they insta heal their own rally wounded they are taking extra reds on any filler march they sent

And on top of that I'm testing targets so I regularly get a bunch of siege in my beds granted I'm using T3 so the heal is pretty cheap but 6m every time adds up

And extra little bonus of being able to keep all the food you farm from dead castles but most leads don't bother farming so that's fairly irrelevant, I personally do enjoy it tho.

[blazing dragon]

going food positive was probably the greatest single investment I've ever done, its beyond worth it

[eager mortar]

Not to completely interject but.. ouch.. that hurts lol

I use it specifically because of the cav, I once lost a battle against a superior opponent because.. my cav couldn’t kill his inf faster than his inf killed my range. Inf phal v Range phal

@rocky knoll this won’t be up for very long.. have a look

Was quite a bit weaker then as well.. noob for sure. But was able to hold me off.

[queen acorn]

Dang crusty horns

[rocky knoll]

For your setup it's valid but when someone is running champ helmet and inf legs they get enough army/cav to not really need firewall

[mortal flume]

Just seen someone using firewall over RNG plate

[eager mortar]

I mean, lots of players without options will use firewall plate because they don’t have other suitable options for armor. And to be fair, it works fine. I have the range plate, but only use it for 055 or range blast.

Or when I want to hold food

[oak lily]

[mortal flume]

Well his plate was +12 and his firewall was +15 he just used it because he used RNG phal but when he cav phal he swapped to it

[eager mortar]

It’s not an exact science here, yes.. it works better when you hit cav phal on cav phal. But I’d argue if you’re doing cav phal into range phal, the firewall plate still makes more sense. Because in that instance, you want more inf att. The cav certainly aren’t doing the job of clearing range. Also depends on the context of what comp he’s using, and facing.

@mortal flume

[mortal flume]

He used 866

Against a 956 ISH comp

That was RNG phal

And than he swapped to RNG plate in case he needs to cav phal

[glass ingot]

I never cav phal anyway.

[mortal flume]

@solid swallow thoughts on this ?

[solid swallow]

On what

If you're using range phal , firewall and fist are better than champ chest and mitts
For cav phals , the HP is more beneficial

But

On certain situations, cav on range phal , Trojan is better

There are also situations in range on range phal, where terror shield is better

Similarly, there are situations where a 992 would do better with champ cav inf off hand than mitts ( even though the hp difference is big)

So it depends, but given the cost of champ chest and the astralite, you can work around not having it and sticking to Trojan , plus the cases discussed earlier do not take into account someone with 3 cups/non champ accessories , because making a champ faith is obviously better for them ( even at gold)

Conversation in this server feels like this

[mortal flume]

So you're saying that he should go for faith instead of the cav helm ?

Let me ask someone else's opinion too

@blissful crest what's your opinion

[solid swallow]

No

Legs , helm, then faiths , 3 faiths before any other thing

[mortal flume]

He already has a leg

[solid swallow]

No way really?

Why champ is goated

I took into consideration the astra cost too , obviously at the same level they're way better

[mortal flume]

No

[mortal flume]

He will replace that with emp helm

[solid swallow]

[mortal flume]

Not with the new kingdom emp that sucks

[mortal flume]

Just kidding with thus

Imagine after all this he starts doing the mainhand LMAO

[weak pier]

+15 cup or +5 blessing?

For mix

[eager mortar]

Well I did mine out of order.. I did armor and now working on helm lol

To be fair, I never planned on being a big shot lead with full or even mixed mythic champ. So I prioritized being food pos

[mortal flume]

most not plan but end up there

[eager mortar]

Are you talking about what’s better offensively? Blasts? Mix? Or cost efficiency?

[mortal flume]

seen someone saying i will only have 1 pc champ he ended up with 9 LOL

[mortal flume]

+5 blessing probably cheaper

[eager mortar]

I mean, if you wanna get technical here, I’m a 2 piece champ, but imo a blue light doesn’t count lol

[mortal flume]

mythic

ofc

[eager mortar]

I didn’t forge my cav helm yet, I can get it to gold, but there’s no point until it’s mythic

4 more gold manes

[mortal flume]

i could have made a gold cav helm by now if i did not make my legs first

[eager mortar]

Legs and cav helm are arguably the best anyway. You could argue for less manes legs are better value. Even if the cav helm is considered the best.

[solid swallow]

Blessing

[eager mortar]

Even when my cav helm is mythic, I don’t foresee using it in anything other than blast until I can get the astra up.

[mortal flume]

cav helm better than an emp piece

[eager mortar]

The new emp helm you mean

[solid swallow]

Even without astra it's still better

[mortal flume]

yes

[eager mortar]

I agree to disagree.. I don’t think 9% hp is worth 80% range att. Not for my current set up anyway.

[solid swallow]

Oh

[eager mortar]

Sorry

[solid swallow]

Your bee is 15?

12*

[eager mortar]

+9% army Hp
-80 range att
And -3% cav

[eager mortar]

Yup

[solid swallow]

I see

[eager mortar]

+3% cav*

[eager mortar]

Posted earlier, but if you didn’t see it

[solid swallow]

[mortal flume]

boots?

[solid swallow]

Never let anyone convince you to replace that skull crusher

[mortal flume]

use cav mainhand

[solid swallow]

Do you care if jewels aren't properly set for mix?

[solid swallow]

Not even

[eager mortar]

Loool, I wasn’t going to let anyone convince me otherwise anyway

[weak pier]

wait doesnt this make the cup better

[eager mortar]

I know I’m missing a few champ jewels, but how do you mean?

[solid swallow]

No
You asked for mix

[weak pier]

not for wonders

[solid swallow]

Some range jewels ought to be replaced by cav ones

[solid swallow]

Yes ik

[eager mortar]

Oh… this isn’t my mix. This is 442 lol

[solid swallow]

For solo trapping , blessing mythic astra lvl5 is better

[solid swallow]

Yes

Even 442s

[weak pier]

hmm okayy, thankuu

[solid swallow]

Range base atk value is high , so a smaller % increase will have the same effect as a bigger percentage of inf% for example

[eager mortar]

I acknowledge my cav stat is a low, not only on gear page but my stat page as well. However, I’ll never compete at the level of some others. So I’m mostly okay with where it’s at. I can compete with people up to around 20 castle stars higher.. 3-4 piece champs with similar artifacts.

[solid swallow]

What matters in 442 , is range HP not atk

[solid swallow]

I think your cav stats is what's missing to beat people stronger than you
Usually you have to do less mistakes than your opponent and that's enough to win

[eager mortar]

I’d consider you correct on that assessment..

[solid swallow]

Oof direct counter

[solid swallow]

Snow queen better than goblin

(too much unsolicited advice sorry)

[eager mortar]

But considering I had (and still have) less than half his castle stars.. 2/3rd his blessings at that time, 500k less troops, And no champ. I did alright, a bit gutted if I’m being honest that it was so close.

[solid swallow]

It's a nice win

[eager mortar]

Loss you mean? lol

[solid swallow]

Ooof rip

Can I see fams please

[eager mortar]

I don’t have that page of the report saved. However.. it hasn’t changed. I’ve thought about using Drider over snowbeast.. but eh. Snowbeast works pretty well

[solid swallow]

Snowbyyyy is the best fam for that comp

[eager mortar]

I also fluctuate my reins based on what’s in there.. 992 is standard fill for me. I’ll ask 11/7/2 or 7/11/2 at times

[solid swallow]

I'd replace blackwing though

[eager mortar]

Bon? Because of frontline losses?

[solid swallow]

And snow queen over goblin

[solid swallow]

P5 damage takes initial amount so that doesn't matter

It's also damage that doesn't take into account counters

[eager mortar]

Didn’t know that

[solid swallow]

But p5s in general are overrated in WoW

[eager mortar]

Knew that tho

[eager mortar]

Well, I don’t have 1.2k / 1.2k / 1k to rely on stats lol.. the p5s work for me

[solid swallow]

If you have drider use that instead, but if you know what you're hitting beforehand, and know it's not heavy inf , use gryphon

[solid swallow]

They're more useless the weaker you are

[eager mortar]

Not like I’m fighting people much stronger than myself though

[solid swallow]

DOM for example use 4 p5s and jade cuz he's strong af

[eager mortar]

Well, this guy is.. should be much stronger than me

[eager mortar]

Got it

[solid swallow]

For example, snow beast saves 112k troops from dying ( let's disregard the behavioural bonuses that gives for now ) , while two p5s will do 158k damage

In a 442

[eager mortar]

I suppose, but doesn’t the damage received by p5s also depend on your opponents stats as well? Particularly Troop Hp/def and army stats?

I outclass most in my weight division there

[solid swallow]

It does , but even for overpowering fams you have other options

[eager mortar]

I understand the hp is important, particularly for 442. But as you’ve said, the ability to win doesn’t come off range att.. so I used goblin based off boosting the inf and cav att.

In your experience does 50% range hp offset the benefit of 20% inf/cav att?

In the context of 442

[solid swallow]

People already use black crow over goblin in many situations, let alone with 30% more range atk
The reason HP is that important is because, the way a 442 works , it clears the enemy range and your troops go back before your range dies in half to do more
It's a matter of timing, and often increasing your own HP is more reliable than your inf atk, because your infantry has a limit on how fast it can kill the enemy range

[solid swallow]

Yes
I use range HP heroes over army range heroes in my 442s already

[eager mortar]

Interesting, that backs up @rocky knoll ‘s point about using the range plate as well.

[solid swallow]

Yes , although it still depends but generally it's the better option for chest

Even if the enemy inf phals you , you'd still want hp over atk in most situations (unless they're that strong)
Because more range means more damage to the enemy cav once their inf dies

[rocky knoll]

stupid high inf atk works funny on 442 v 442

i get to see it with my alt a lot

since people it usually fights are 400% inf atk less in their mix than it

[eager mortar]

So.. in your opinions, how am I doing?

[eager mortar]

I’ll give it a try next DA lol

[solid swallow]

Your artifacts are good

900ish level

[eager mortar]

Correct

[solid swallow]

[eager mortar]

Crazy that people can estimate like that.. I mean I have a good eye for who my competitors are statistically. I just don’t have that many artifacts to make those generalizations about players lol

[solid swallow]

If you could remove two range jewels and put 2 cav ones it'll be perfect

[rocky knoll]

974 with this does funny reports, I've been having people run 442 style into me a lot and it murders

[solid swallow]

I have experience

With

Something we can't mention in this server iukuk

[solid swallow]

Inf base

[rocky knoll]

yes

people see this in da and just run mirror cuz they have 5pc champ and same blessed and think they just win

[eager mortar]

Thanks, I’ll try.. but as a small time lead. Idk how worth it it’ll be to swap jewels that will end up being swapped when I’m setting castle rallies lol. I have the gems, so I’ll give it a go

[solid swallow]

NGL I'd rally your fort with carumbaa

[rocky knoll]

and die

[solid swallow]

Depends what you enjoy more

[solid swallow]

Cuz my comp won't work against high inf atk

[rocky knoll]

these tend to cause issues

[solid swallow]

Brb I'm being called for darknest crusade

[eager mortar]

I don’t even think I could run 659 and win against that lol

[solid swallow]

[rocky knoll]

oh god I forgot that event was on

I don't wanna play it

[rocky knoll]

and big dn heals

I wanna die

[eager mortar]

1m rally and run a train on that bbbeeeach

[distant moth]

I see him use double shields now

[solid swallow]

That comp does that , I don't wanna say I came up with something similar first because we don't talk me and him

[distant moth]

I see

Is it better to leave 4 purple da cav jewels or make one gold and use sabers?

[solid swallow]

4 DA jewels = 30% atk
1gold DA+3 saber = 15% atk+45% HP

What do you think

[distant moth]

I kept it as 4 since I thought extra 15 atk was much better

Idrk how much to value hp

[eager mortar]

Old school cav set up, looks nice

[buoyant phoenix]

Im in a newer kingdom and im still working on it, but how does gear look so far?

[eager mortar]

Why the cav range helm though?

[eager mortar]

The value of Hp varies on the situation. If you’re attacking someone with 5m total troops in infantry front.. attack serves you better. If you’re attacking someone with 30m troops in infantry front, hp probably serves you better. You’ll want longevity out of your troops for the best chance of walkback or burning your opponent. There’s another instance where HP focus makes a larger difference than boosting attack stats. But the differences are mostly negligible because aside from the rare exception.. you can’t really tell how much hp is helping you.

The rule of thumb is this.. If you’re killing troops faster than you’re losing them, ATT is better. If you’re losing troops faster than you are killing your opponents, HP works better.
There is no way for you to determine which you should have before you begin your attack.

Lots of debate about which is more important among different players and leads. But something everyone agrees on is offensive attacks work better when you have a healthy balance of both.

[distant moth]

Gotcha thanks for the explanation

[eager mortar]

Prime example of why I don’t let anyone else touch my account.. sorry that happened to you. Gear looks pretty good, I think that helm is a mistake.. and for the same manes you could’ve gotten the cav helm which is widely regarded as one of the best pieces in the game.

[mortal flume]

I infantry front ? You mean inf wedge hopefully not phal

But why would he even inf front it ? Like if he knows he is in inf front RNG Phal hits the hardest

https://tenor.com/view/red-alert-gif-27241431

Delete that now

[pearl fossil]

?warn @buoyant phoenix account sharing is prohibited

[rain venture]

cursebreaker5740 has been warned. || account sharing is prohibited

[eager mortar]

Read again, there’s a screw loose up
there

[mortal flume]

Sounds like you send in inf front not him in front

[eager mortar]

Well that your interpretation, he’s referring to his cavalry gear. So I’m talking in the context of him utilizing it.

[mortal flume]

Seen a dummy use inf phal for cav blast lol

[terse fable]

dammmmm nicely explained

[solid swallow]

I'd like to add this
There are two extreme ends of the spectrum and the middle ground
There's a case where you have so much infantry to go through that you end up killing before the battle ends (WoW)/ you are hitting range , then HP is better for you
The other extreme is it's only cav and inf left , so basically no damage done to you and you want more atk categorically for that
In the middle ground , it's a balance of both stats together not one over the over

For the first case, there's a comp in WoW that's practically a range blast , but your gear should be using infantry champ boots and faiths for example over anything with range just because of the hp, because your atk is high enough to kill half the range and the cav

[mortal flume]

This gear

[pallid cedar]

What's y'all recommendations on a 424 set and other strategies

[mortal flume]

Champ?

[pallid cedar]

Nah f2p likely

I have blue champ leg

[mortal flume]

F2p won't play wow no reason to do a 424 set

Just get a standard mix

[solid swallow]

No she's missing mitts

[pallid cedar]

So all these 424 442 stuff are for rl's?

[mortal flume]

Yes

[pallid cedar]

Hmm

[mortal flume]

That codex has enough cav hp for her front

[eager mortar]

I see an insecure, unintelligent, approval seeking simp that clearly does not understand that it was meant under the context of a cav blast against an infantry front. The player in question had doubts surrounding the viability of HP. The examples provided are merely simplified scenarios depicting when each stat outperforms the other. Since you don’t seem to understand the simplified version, I’ll do you a favor and give you an eloquent explanation.

[pallid cedar]

But I would have liked to learn abt it though

[solid swallow]

99% of the playerbase don't need two separate mix sets
Just have one
Until you reach 900+% mix

[solid swallow]

What cav, I'm talking about range blast type of comp

[eager mortar]

I agree with you under the context of mix battles. Well said

[mortal flume]

There is a difference between saying that attacking someone with 5m total troops in inf front and attacking someone with 5m troops who is inf front

[pallid cedar]

Isn't it possible to send pics here?

[mortal flume]

That gear is a variation of a 055 wdym

[solid swallow]

[mortal flume]

It is possible

[eager mortar]

Again, I encourage you to go back and learn how to read. Maybe to 2nd grade or so should do the trick

[mortal flume]

The 0118 or something

[mortal flume]

Again from the context it can be both lol

[pallid cedar]

What y'all think

[mortal flume]

Attacking someone with inf front can mean 2 things lol

[solid swallow]

But that gear isn't the one you should use for my comp

[pallid cedar]

I should work on jewels ik

[mortal flume]

Remove drum

And use mitts or fist

[pallid cedar]

Don't have fist but gold mitts

[eager mortar]

And again, if you didn’t read far back enough to see that he was clearly asking for his cav gear, then I wouldn’t expect you to understand. It was mostly an A - B convo. If you don’t know what you’re talking about, don’t get involved lol.

[mortal flume]

But still it is possible to send something in inf phal

Literally a cav blast in inf front

Attacking someone with inf front means 2 things A , he is inf front B, you are inf front

[eager mortar]

Sure you could @mortal flume but someone else understood it just fine. Glad you finally caught up.

[pallid cedar]

Should I put gold champ jewel on blight ring or it's better on a skull crusher or frost sword

[mortal flume]

No matter where you put it

[pallid cedar]

Yeah well I'd like to get maximum stats out of a gear

[mortal flume]

Yeah the hp atk explained nicely but still there is a difference between those 2 lol

[mortal flume]

The end will be the same no matter where you put it

[pallid cedar]

Hm

[mortal flume]

You will need 8 into that set no matter where you put jt

[pallid cedar]

Replaced drum with ring
And mitts

What else?

[mortal flume]

If you want to min max hp talons

[eager mortar]

I’m thinking I’m going to stick with 6 for me, and for the last 2, army att jewels

[mortal flume]

But prob tasset better cus cav atk it helps a lot with mix rallies

[mortal flume]

And 16 baron jewels

5pc emp

3 faith 3 blessing 3 valors

[eager mortar]

Don’t get me started on baron jewels, can’t even get royal jewels