#🎮┊in-game-events
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Can you go with gems to -250k gems? 🤔
That would be funny as hell but i dont think so

Yes they can, It has happened before to some people
No it hasn't
bruh 250k gems confirmed for everyone
World record beaten
when is bargain? 
If I were to coupon a token pack, how far would it get me on this? Currently 1/5 on Anchor and I have 3 purples worth in Paragon chests.
You could probably get 2 after spending the gems you get from the tokens
I'm waiting for 238 gems task and 214 gremlin and so I can rush for mythic Anchor
Idk if want spend gems to finish it. If there was that 8$ pack (pick 1 of 4 deals) might do it + coupon 20$.
I have 1200 of those astras. Can get it L5 may be.
Same here, about 3k to 5k tidal Astra
Token pack with bogo will give 6 purples
So that keeps me far away. I need get lucky on chests.
this one value or not?
Not
YESSS
FINALLY I can boost troops on rally trap
Nooooo
Last yr trick or treat was same but a bargain store With 10x false info and 5 min anti scout stuff
So 14 days for 120
Last time with same description bargain rolled out
Need to get rss 
120%
I made troops already no 120% at least not on this account for me 

I need to kill troops to make them.
Inf lead
Solo me then
I'm being a good farmer getting all my accounts nice and fat
I am able to be the trap that looks sus on your ks
When is your wow ?
Ours is after 6 hrs 18 mins
In which k
Difference between sacrifice and kill lol
Already over and won't be on for yours anw.
On another note I hardly solo any castles outside of KvK. Most my kills are from rallies.
Do they have maxed out hyper gear ?
You need that for a professional farmer title
Just delete them
nothing else ?
Without the free one ?
1887084301
i actually want that big brain who comes up with such silly ideas
whats this for?
Nuclear missile codes

@peak sundial @pearl dome
does anyone know how many days a castle has to be inactive to count towards homecoming? And what castle level do they need to be?
I stayed off the game for 50 days and now I got homecoming bonuses and rewards. I don't know exactly how many days and castle level needed though
Probably castle level 17+ needed
I am taking about the homecoming event they bring once in a while where you gotta invite people
15+
Oh, got it. It is always said in the events rules, through news or mails. If I'm not mistaken it's usually 14 days and castle lvl 17+
Castle 10+
Get the benefits of free 250k gems, create 10 new accounts in new kd and leave at c10
For homecoming event
14+ most of the time
To farm leaders
14+ days
I made 20 accounts to get 43k gems each
The event lasts more than 14 days right?
Yup
43k? From where
It's a secret, leave it
How can I create 10 accounts having one single smartphone? How don't you lose them all when you log off?
Sometimes 2 or sometimes 10
Do it via Gmail, you can add an unlimited Gmail account in mobile as far as i know
G-mail without phone number
With phone number it's only 6 something
Mosquito is here
May be it was just me but last time my guest account (though fulfilled other conditions and got homecoming boosts) didn't count towards invitation event. I guess will need all linked accounts towards homecoming now.
You gotta verify after making like 4 accounts tho
And you cannot verify with the same phone number multiple times
Lmk if you are going to create a New account
That's why most of my gmail* are without a phone number
One way to get around it is by using incognito mode. You can make account there and remember the information. Leave incognito and log in to that account by adding it to your gamil list
I don’t even have a sim
There's no skip option in the pc, you have to add the phone number compulsory in the new Gmail if you do in pc .
I don’t use pc
Even in my phone, it makes me verify because it thinks I am a bot
But the incognito method works so I don’t gotta worry
Be a human, Stop being a bot
I wish
I see. Well all my accounts are linked to random emails
I made 4 today and got them to 17 to farm leaders
Shit


What is it? 
@hoary nymph
I just cba for nothing. I am remembering too many passwords for various things already.
Lol, I couldn’t care less what happens to those accounts. I am never gonna use them for anything else
Password doesn’t matter really. If i forget then I forget
It doesn’t seem like there is a limit to how many emails you can have either
That is true but if they are misused by someone else then there is another concern ;))
Lol
I don’t quite understand what you mean but it’s really just personal preference
You don’t need to make 20 alts lol
But there are definitely certain benefits but they may not be worth the risks or effort for you
I'm assuming Dave is taking advantage of the Lords Star Promoter event's referral code for this
make a bunch of alts with your own code to farm free stuff
He can't share
He's right
Yup , i have to gather 6m gems so I can rush for Mythic cup
After Mythic anchor
There's a special newbie pack if a new player installs the game with my invite link

anyone know the rotation for the tycoon and labyrinth challenge events?
labyrinth challenges that I know of: hootclaw, gawrilla, cottageroar
tycoon challenge: Arctic Flipper, Serpent Gladiator, Necrosis
does that leave out any?
Nope
Use /rotation command
In hephbot dm
@hoary nymph 
Got anything good for tomorrow?
I can no longer make more accounts 
Wat is bar-gain?
Nevermind, I can make accounts in my school computer
Lets just say college
Time to buy diamonds need the free stuff
Free migration scroll
It doesn't
Need to use diamonds to buy pack
For previous version of this event it did but haven't gotten a chance to check recently for few months.
Bargain store tmr
?
@hoary nymph real??
Terrible store this time
Unless you want those new monster material
For me is nice ngl
Why would he post fake? O.o
Its me or this is more expensive
Jewels are expensive wtf
7 day store too. Rip Gems.
Sigils price right?
It used to be 2600 per 1 I think so normal.
75,600 lunar crest
75,600 rotten blood
58,000 toxin
58,000 gargantua eye
84,000 blood sucker
84,000 glowing eye
84,000 frostwing heart
112,000 ember chests
631,200
Wow all the rare mats are usefull this time
I can pay it rn 😭
7 days or 6 days?
7 days.
Free gems will be sucked right away 
This will make my ring close to mythic
Some 14 blues
Some 28 blues
For 7 days
I think i can Start working on accessories to swap my cup
Ok not 14 but 21
7 day bargain store but they are giving less stuff each day for a higher pirce
well I only need star scrolls and astra but astra overpriced so only gonna be scrolls for me
scrolls and wolf only for me
wolf on filler
true that
time to check what mats I need most on food hyper
nvm I can buy everything I want on it
fun
Did they make it more expensive?
some mats yeah
Apparently
but you can buy more of them
I don't know this is my first one
you get 4 blue a day instead of 3 on the more expensive ones
but 200 gems more per mat
I’m happy I will get my dragon talons gold with this
my wannabe trap will get frosty mythic
and will be 1 gold away for talons and ring gold

I can't upgrade a single thing
Eggzactly
I might only get 2 or 3 items anw. I don't need most materials and rest items are overpriced.
Have Talon mythic, Ring mythic, Frost Sword ofc.
So expensive, 3 ember chests costed 4.800 earlier, and now 4 chests for 8k
I suppose that's bcs of these free 250k gems mistake
Eggzactly
Beast helm too. So only thing will be book, may be boomerang but it far and garg. belt to mythic. I don't like that no pearls in there.
They want to steal gems
do I get bloodsuckers on filler for speed chest 
Embers, Jewels and other stuff overpriced. Except sigils and star scrolls.
This store is very good for me have all the rare mats i need
But i'm not complaining anyway, cuz i might get enought embers to upgrade talons to mythic, and will also get to 10 gold bloodsuckers
At the same time it will mean it eats away gems. I only have 200k. Lol
So beast helm will have to wait for embers
I like neutral one rather.
I'm skipping embers better to just get them from chaos arena
true
I need a lot of them now, have only 3 golds
Star scrolls Is good
And need for beast helm and for talons
I don't need ember, i already have extra
Oh, and also planning on my first mythic cup, so need even more embers xD
still not buying the overpriced embers would rather slow roll with arena and if I decide I really badly want the upgrades 5$ ember 1+1s
Told you guys bargain is coming
But now i wonder, should i buy crests and keep upgrading boomerang, or instead buy glowing eyes to make fist?
Why not both?
It's choice between cav offhand
I'd do boomerang
Some people use the fist in mix 
That's all crests i got, and boomerang on blue grade
I'm not sure if i get it to mythic
Nice gems
Turning to dust after bargain store
That's after gambling over 500k on jewel chests 
Jewels > gears
Fr
What you think ?
ok nvm he has no mats and no progress just do fist
it didn't anymore with new
I have opened so many garg chests form all the hell events yet the highest grade eyes i have gotten is green
sameee
This is rigged
I did 500 so far
from doing hells for almost 2 months straight at this point
2 gray jewels and best eye drop a green
I have been doing all the yellow orbs hell
Since it came out
Never seen a blue or higher
I've been doing all troop hells last 2 months + merge etc when doing hell quests in fest

Thats at least one purple
Touch grass
mh drops good eyes
when you are going for jewels and mass kill lvl5s eyes are dropping very well
How much lvl 5s we talking about
I don’t have much energy. The astra monster took it all
I wanted to finish last jewel on alt 
Even after the store, I will be missing 1.5 golds
You did it for jewel?
Lemme see your screen time
yeah lol it has this spare for eyes
jewel was important for gear to look good
pretty much just that too I haven't been using the gear much last cav rally I did with that account was at least a couple months ago
free energy from making troops with hells 
well spent imo
what if I need the cav at some point when all the better cav leads are capped
Adopt a child and make him play with your alt
than what will I use to send inf rallies
Much better use of that account rather than just letting it sit
oh it's not just sitting
Another child
Gotta use your main first then the alt
main has worse inf
Multiple lead is less bunny cost
gear on it got good from phantom
account is fun cuz it has smaller core since I didn't do adv wonder bs on it
so I can migrate it places for cheap and do kd raids
I see
Indeed
I mean I guess
But would much rather have 1 strong account
The embers i was saving for cup will be gone soon
Cudgel will be finished
Bargain store tomorrow ?
Plus we got guild mates, its a multiplayer game
main wouldn't be much stronger without alt
Then ring will be super close to mythic as well
it's funny how much more expensive stats get later on
I could have 2 faiths instead of that account pretty much



and since I do have it I got lucky on it won labby at good time and now have very fancy inf
see inf gear comparison
Which one is the main?
the one jeweled mix
2 champ on alt
yeah it's cheap slow rolled with only event packs lol
Cups looks thick
that's thanks to phantom on which I spent an elite labby jackpot
that account is low enough spend that it doesn't even have that igg membership thing
Ofc it will be he spent a decent amount over a long period of time on it
When IGG stops making p2p update, I will win the lab jackpot
180% stats difference is crazy tho
@old grove you had mythic cups on it before bogo came in LM or made those later ?
Couldn’t you have gifted all the gems to yourself?
all cups on it were made with tokens I don't remember when I started exactly
would have needed about 2 banks of rss to boost above main
If you finished those before bogo's came then damn thats an expensive alt
which I didn't have so just gemmed energy on it instead
Seems worth it
time was an issue I won the lab on day 2 of phantom
if I didn't get above main fast enough to gem energy for phantom it'd be a waste
zeroed main would still mean I needed a full bank on alt lol
No point in pondering
main is 500m more core
Then how he will beat full champ accounts on fort ? And also get capped without worrying about burning 
and alt was almost zeroed
How much did you win btw?
17m
🗿
Build it back up
if I had to delete troops on main it would stop being worth tbh
Rich
he is minimal on troops on his main
I have a fat comp wym
He kills troops very fast
How come? With about 15m worth of gems, the astra upgrades would be way better
I will burn if i am leaderless with that comp
would be better to just spend money on energy
I burn leaderless too
I got most of the ups I really cared about, I spent 4m gems on energy + bigger bags than alt on main too
cups are just stupid expensive
7/13 for 1 gold to me
making them is the cheap part
For a f2p that gems tycoon it is expensive 😭
Agree it can just be slow
yeah but doing it while buying tokens is nice overall for acc due to how many gems and other stuff you get on top of cups
on topic of burning my filler might die, I'm in a kd alone with it and found 2 leads while farming rss, will leave it unshielded 
Lots of free gems kill license, some carpets 
Haiiii
Shush kiddo 

Inflation
This happens when government prints money

I promised ya 

You scamming ppl but all same. Exchange also scamming by not showing up. Lol
next up 10day exchange with 15max exchanges 1k points per exchange
Yea saving coins for it rn
Hope we get a bogo tomorrow 
I hope to see ee during the 120 event, so I can Boost
Bogo comes in video.
And normally not come with bp points + spend event.
But can expect on monday yea.
Imagine needing tomes
Lunite hell is back if anyone missed it
Is it for this event period or going to be regular?
if they intrdouce t6 before this event maybe lunite hell will become regular
otherwise it will end
is lunite special?
will there be another bargain
yes
What's bad value in this bargain store, looks like Astra chest, maybe embers?
ember chest, astral chest, champion jewels and in my opinion grim jewels
What should I get from barrigan if F2P
Has anybody got scammed? From frozen store?
They tell us there are rewards and they show rewards on all days and after purchasing all days packs they only give us one
Bogo tmr
right after chronicler of course
As expected
And curse hunter with it 
What is Bogo?
Oh thanks
any1 else got this?
Yeah you get that if you're a mid spender as an early acc
ahhhh i see
thanks for info
good pack tmr?
same old same old
I spent all my gems before bargain
Regret it now
No, I think it's exclusive
Igg id 1233903069
Yes
Does anyone know how much tomes you can get from 1 exchange extravaganza?
It won't come back again
Gone forever
Hi
Hello
Hola
@hoary nymph 
90
where is our beloved EE 
Removed sadly
90 per exchange round?
Yes
Yes it’s 90*4 which is 360 tomes total
Don’t stop suggesting it
No need to suggest anymore they already implemented it
IGG wants us to suffer because of the free 250k gems we got

I needed those mats so i am not complaining 
Yes
Hilton quit for real
I spend Like 5min in LM per day, i think thats okay
If you change your language to spanish there s an 5d event in news
Forgot to post it yesterday was training troops yesterday
Today spending gems
Thank you.
never thought I'd see the day that I'm waiting for linited hero challenges to get my devil gold
It's hard to be poor I'm only F2P girl maybe I'm years waiting to upgrade my main hand gear only yellow to me my West yellow yellow 🥺🥺🥺
ok

Anyone knows what the rewards are .?
Training speeds
Meant the chests
Same
⁉️
Those that give training speeds
is that under spanish language?
Yes
Yes
News event, if you spent gems yesterday on bargain you can claim some chests
Not spending 1.2m energy for it
I see
so not worth it then .?
okay thanks
Not for me can't say about others
Idh energy anyways soo 😅😅
Yes not have and no point.
🔥🔥
Ping .?
@hoary nymph 
No
😐
Omg P diddy
whats up
688986308
When's tye next delivery of baby oil
free 100k gems haha now they fixing it with emergency maintenance.
igg be giving free gems these days because new research is cumming.
wth where was that thing
no more igg is already fixing it now.
👀
only few got it mostly my online guild mates.
what did they do to get it?
secret
if you give me speed ups worth 15k i tell u.
but i doubt it will give free gems after maintenance
Moral of the whole story: There was no 100k gems
bcuz why would I pay for a secret which is expired

The maintenance is because of the Guild Showdown. P2P players were able to put 500k+ troops in GS through the chaos arena with paid boosts .
ohh damm
Hi guys
It was the normal 50% army size boost used in CA
OK 👍
I m banned or not? and I think discord events it's fake??!!!!!
because I always not win any reward in discord only live stream working why!!!!!!!!
You could be
That's like saying I got 100k Gems but still greedy so want 15k more. Lol
Fr
Or can be there was nothing like that and lying to get 15k gems
If there was something it would be shared elsewhere anyway. Only discord ppl doesn't play the game. There lots others.
Yup and other players should have also know about that
As only his guild doesn’t play the game
Day 4 Latino event task is use 20k holy stars. Rewards are some tomes, crafting speeds and 20 star scrolls.
Tomorrow last day of bargain right ?
Was wondering how the h*ll that happened…
Game bug that allowed players to use 100k additional army limit from buying chaos arena pass
Should be fixed
hi anyone knows where that event with the invitation code is ? i dont see it in news
What's this
make a video pls 
Wat video didi
@hoary nymph discount delights tomo? 
Yes
No bogo ?
No

Bout to cash out on some brilliant orbs
Give it 4 more days
Kvk will suck
It does yea.



Tomorow’s events ?
Get zeroed -> quit lords
chat is exchange extravaganza gone fr ??
It'll come back when you bend over
alr bet
new pack looks decent, hope bogo tomorrow along with it
so they removed ee for real bruh
Sadge
Man how the hell am I gonna get speeds
I am out of boots and can’t do anything about it
I haven’t seen Lunite hell in a while
when exchange extravaganza coming?
u just missed it yesterday

Guys FrK guild need 2 castle lvl 17+ for playing guild expedition anyone wants to help us?
@hoary nymph bogo?
@hoary nymph EE?

finally 🥳 🥳
Super Astra offer too
Let’s go
Ss or it's a joke ! Lol

Real no Joke
Show ss
@shrewd light stop

@vital lichen what the fuck happend 
Idk man

I just wanna sleep

Later
Hi locu u should sleep too
IDK ???
Nerds never sleep
Guess im not a nerd
Good night
IDK ???


AUD
To what?
I know idea
ok.i already read it
@viral sleet @viral sleet
MY IGG ID:1889875381
Let’s goo!! Finally can get some boots
oh... the day after I troop boosted. I took one for the team. You're all welcome
It has happened in the past.
And did see a picture of this before in other discord server. I think was a social media post.
Bro they not actually doing a second pagani event are they
They are
why there is a f car on my event page , noone wants this , noone likes this ,
POV IGG : so everyone liked our old system when you had to do hell events and stuff , and no one loves the gambling one .... we should continue doing the 2nd type and with the most hated one of all time

@sharp berry 
It's Tuesday
?warn @chilly silo no spamming
anupamjio has been warned. || no spamming
@midnight escarp
Same rewards?
hopefully new token one is ugly so they can add a good one next rotation when I have tokens saved

anything good in shop
Nooo another ugly car castle skin
Show shop rewards please
Whut
Daymm... Must have leader skin... Tell cost
IGG knows what kind of leaders skin people buy 
Lmao
What are the Castle skin’s stats plz ?
It's not.. you can Get the last Collab skin which you missed
@old grove @sharp berry
There's a bug , I can't see how many fuels from kl and hunting
I wonder if last castle skin was also 300 laps only or more.
Labours will reset next month only I guess ^^.
The shop has nothing useful
It seems IGG gave it early as it' shows a 32 day event..
Even the artis are meh
standard purple collab artis
lvl5 2 star for cheap 3.84 inf hp and 2.88 range hp and 2.88 cav def
Oooooo cat girl

IGG be like, let's give people what they can't get irl
All new events be like take this b**** and give us money
IGG becoming digital pimps 
damm, no one's talking about the 3k diamond avatars? Those cost as much as castle skins, and they're just cars
Which skin is the OG in LM
Classic skin
Classic skin always
Speed event + bogo?
Yep
O.o bogo with spend event

Storm Fox Ethereal Guide. Jade
How do i beat stage one for devil
Hope any wonder hero or chronicler comes out day after tomorrow 
Else bogo will be wasted
Buy fuels
anyone understand which colour boxes are Epic, Legendary and Mythic?
yellow are mythic
idk rest
just free refresh till you get to spend all points on yellow ones unless you plan to spend another 200$
Nvm it's pk 2.0
I guess since phantom knight is turned into astra monster.
Oh
skem

anyone know tmr hero rotation
When will this be in game?
thinking use bogo or not
Will know in 6h 30min or so that's when reset on Taiwan server is
Why are you licking him
no chronicler
Is the star monster for today only?
Any wonder hero ?
Nope

I can't see there
what heroes ?
doll and dark follower yikes
Dark follower and witch doll
I did that 5$ arti coin and astra pack and got scammed
I was waiting to see heroes first in case there was supposed to be one passive
Very close on 5% stats.

Bruh
Once again, this new in game event with Pagani is absolutely trash with terrible rewards. 85 laps, reward is like 3 brushes and one 3 hour training boost. 🤦♂️ Artifacts have zero useful stats, and all the rest is cosmetic. I won't even waste my time

And yet you did that many on 1st hour itself ;))
This one is bad 
60 fuels and only got 370 coins
Was expecting 2x of that
Nice

Was expecting to get enough for artifact
Just get a cool car skin
Got 7d skin
imagine doing bogo yesterday without 30% discount

I just buy diamonds with it.
I was waiting for heroes so didn't use bogo yesterday
+1
I did in the end. Store was bad
what
Poor design
@hoary nymph 


twice
@hoary nymph bogo?
This is too early for another bogo
Igg trying to meet fourth quarter sales
It probably will be out tomorrow
Yes cursed hunter is out tomorrow
Ewww
What’s a p2p exchange?
Ohh okay

Noice

I can use artifact coins tomorrow
Nice one. Gotta do hell quests anyway.
Good timing..it appears btwn paragon and frosty like last week.. let's hope it continues this way
Why what will be tomorrow ?
Paragon + exchange + guild fest so just need to wait for gold orb artifact hells tomorrow
Tomorrow exchange extravaganza?
Yes
Neat
Think they realised only Chinese do it
When is the bargain store?
Soon
How soon
After soon
How soon after soon
Pretty soon
Yes he's right, pretty after soon
How pretty
Very
Pretty
Soon
Is there a calendar for when events etc are scheduled
Wanna know next time bogof coupon is out
It's random so can't predict that, but also it's once a week
Ahhh okay, thanks!
Has to be fake…there is no way this skin is so ugly

They’re just spamming out leader skins at this point
every 3 rotations they drop a new one
His teeth
who tf even is this 🙏
donald trump in his prime

That dude is a math teacher lol
guys gift me monster hunter please
@light thorn Hey
Does your guild do slot1 for da?
Yes
Bogo?
No
@hoary nymph
Does relocator migration event come after every current period or its random?
I think it's every month right around GE
👀
@hoary nymph
Ni
1 week event. 2 week cooldown. Again next week event and so on .....
Bogo?
Stop asking every day
You got it boss
Ask everyday, it'll come eventually
Whens the next BOGO?
Tomorrow
Tomorrow
Whens the next Bargain?
Tomorrow
Hi
@hybrid lantern
Why does rank Top 10 in solo and hell task is not dropping from last 3 Guild Fests ?
Did IGG officially remove those tasks
@hybrid lantern
Don't you think waiting 15mins everytime for GF quests to refresh & reload is a bit much? Not everyone has time to sit and stare at the screen all day! Please consider shortening the time.
It would also be nice if you could find a way to show if a particular quest is in play or how long it will take for the next one to show up so that we can plan accordingly. Waiting for hours/days for a particular quest is again, a bit unreasonable.

@glass geyser

@fallow onyx bogo tmr
Yes he forgot to ask today
Crazy how that works isn’t it.
Chronicler ?
No
Okay. No new orb pack tomorrow.
the new packs went as fast as they came,, 20k gem one still there tho
Hello guys
IGG ID 1908956255
Hero ?
There should be don tomorrow or day after tomorrow 
It came 2-3 days ago so no chance
i just noticed that 20 for 200 orbs has useless astra in it
No wonder hero tomorrow 
Yes

Berserker though !
I am not doing army heroes
Chronicler and 3x wonder heroes
Boo.
I am not a whale
Nit even interested in becoming one
But would live to be a sneaky blast lead though 
But…they don’t make you whatever that infers 
Whats this for?
Hallo guys
IGG ID 1417949192
@hoary nymph
Wat
Check heroes
Is there the event which gives jade pact and orbs?
I can't see the bp event without losing the 1st purchase bonus
Really?
Doesn’t look like its there
There's jade
Jade tmr too
Seem like a 2$ Bogo for me.
On?
?
What pack
May be Pagani idk

Tokens
Always tokens
Nothing to push in that. Mythic cups, I look too strong.
Marvelous tokens
Lunite + rotten bloods
I had some saved so only did 1$.
Waiting for a 214 quest since yday. Anw tryna do all in Pagani, if possible, so this helps a bit.
gn
any events ⁉️
Guild fest 
oh fr .?
lmao
baron too
CA in 21 hours
Good wifi and s24U don't think neither is the issue 
yeah igg servers


change to ukrainian language for pagani event, 200k gems from buying the skin
Who needs that crap skin 
cheaper to get 200k gems from other means
If you're willing to not get artifacts could likely get it for similar price to breakthrough

Got 1 artifact already and halfway through to 2nd
Any idea if anyone actually got the 200k gems yet? 
But as in how to buy?
There is no straight price for it so when buy from tokens?
If someone didn't then IGG are scamming people after putting false information
Huh? When did people get free gems?
They got "free", (not really because they spent money on pagani event for skin) when they got the 3000 coin shit car skin when buying through Ukrainian language
Yeah it wasn't free at all... Expect for let's say 1 in a million guy who was gonna spend for that car skin anyway...
But having to spend to get dumb skin for some gems, is just stoopid... Better just straight up buy the breakthrough bonus or something
lmao who works for igg are literal trolls
is jade in discounts later?



