I would say scorp is best character and klk is 2nd
#🌲-talent-tree
willow wharf
neat coral
btw im using mournful kitana, silver kenshi and klassic mileena for battle 197 normal tower
smoky sentinel
Muramasa blades to remove fire and deal more damage. Klk's strength becomes his ruin
smoky sentinel
btw im using mournful kitana, silver kenshi and klassic mileena for battle 197 n...
I'm sure you could use better teams
neat coral
tell me
smoky sentinel
Like anything else than kenshi would make it already better
neat coral
who
junior tendon
Idk i just one shotted mk11s
smoky sentinel
Any other female teammate...
junior tendon
Sp2 at 70% hp
neat coral
tanya?
junior tendon
He disappear
smoky sentinel
Kc sonya, tanya...
neat coral
or vamiress mileena for bleed
willow wharf
Bro i played a fw match against kabal he tagged in 2 times and he did xray both times
But i cant hide the enemy name cuz idk how to
clever pawn
If you are gonna use kenshi at least use him with MA and Spec Ops teammates, or at least just MA
willow wharf
And i have to
neat coral
If you are gonna use kenshi at least use him with MA and Spec Ops teammates, or ...
what is ma
willow wharf
Like i recorded the battle
willow wharf
what is ma
Martial artist
smoky sentinel
or vamiress mileena for bleed
She goes with netherrealm
clever pawn
Just go to gallery and paint the area where the name is showing, or slap a sticker
neat coral
the modifier is exhaustion for ma and spec ops
willow wharf
Martial artist more like the best class
clever pawn
They are crowded
clever pawn
Makes sense since technically everyone is a Martial artist or at least nearly everyone
neat coral
@clever pawn the modifier is exhaustion for Martial artist and spec ops
smoky sentinel
Yeah you said it already
neat coral
ik but she didnt see i think
clever pawn
Am not sure how I was part of that convo
smoky sentinel
Maybe it's better to move in #🏯-towers-relic-hunt
willow wharf
I better go to sleep
neat coral
their suggesting teams that are not gonna work
willow wharf
Listen i always use 1 team
smoky sentinel
They were talking about kenshi, not about your battle
willow wharf
F3 hanzo f4 kc sonya f2 tremor
smoky sentinel
Get rid of kenshi and replace him with a female outworld teammate
neat coral
Get rid of kenshi and replace him with a female outworld teammate
okay
should i use f2 piercing mileena or mk11 skarlet
or jade
and more
piercing mileena is my highest fusion female character
what gear should i use for piercing mileena
neat coral
okay bro
neat coral
Maybe learn how to play without it?
okay how
smoky sentinel
Don't die
neat coral
bruh
smoky sentinel
Sadly some basic skill is needed if you want to play without having your ass covered by a dice roll
neat coral
tell me how then
smoky sentinel
Learn how to don't let them attack you and don't die bruh 
It requires practice
Revenant and boneshield are for people that don't know how to play and need something else to save them
neat coral
okay ima try in fw
smoky sentinel
Even in fw they're useless talents if your opponent has deathmark or brutal ending
Nothing can save you from them
Except, don't letting the opponents use them
neat coral
Even in fw they're useless talents if your opponent has deathmark or brutal endi...
okay true
but ima practice in fw
with ur talent tree
neat coral
ty bro
smoky sentinel
I have been using it for over a year, works fine everywhere
Ok since last october actually because of the rework
smoky sentinel
It's the one in the guide
In 3.0 they removed some talents and added new ones
And i have been using the same tree since then
neat coral
okay so not updated right
smoky sentinel
Same as the guide
neat coral
okay
eager raptor
I used to be addicted to revenant (not bone shield). Then i tried giving it up and enjoyed. Revenant is a great talent, but beside hawk stance, there is no good talent to max on the way to revenant, so u will wasted tons of point for just 2 talents, which should have been spent for 2 other trees
Revenant is great, but not efficient use of points. Support and offense are much better to invest
And there have been many counter to it too since it counted as resurrection
smoky sentinel
crisp pier
I've never used Revenant or Bone Shield except for KWT 160. I left Shang Tsung last cause I didn't know any better at the time so I kind of screwed myself. Treacherous Tanya was only F1 so I just had to get lucky and break his Missile Gap.
west zenith
what are the talent tree arrangements that are useful for survival/tower?
.
Guys,im asking
eager raptor
any that fits u
but some crucial ones are precision to guarantee combo ender, hawk stance to resist debuff, weak point attack to snare
and death mark/brutal ending too if u have enough points
and focus on sp1 or sp2 build. i prefer sp1
eager raptor
How is it?
nice, but why lin kuei reverence and maxing live for battle? u use reptile's xray for regen?
tame knoll
Almost every ai character spams sp1 and live for battle was the best I think. Let me check
Yeah I’m going to keep those two
eager raptor
mine is about sp1
lean shuttle
are there any talent tree simulator online?
smoky sentinel
Why would there be
lean shuttle
why not lol
graceful kernel
smoky sentinel
Mantis, 1 point
tight yew
Hi evernone
eager raptor
state your business or draco will bury u alive
spice tinsel
Can King Jerrod's Spear replace Weak Point Attacks?
tame knoll
Can King Jerrod's Spear replace Weak Point Attacks?
It can but wpa is for everyone and the spear is only for one
clever pawn
Spear has worse chances unless its fused
If you are using kards that power drain that is
thin mauve
I had a talent tree set up with shinok's bone, I changed it now I lost fatal 199 5 times which never happened before
rancid flare
Looking good. Barely any offense but at least you have precision at 4 and that’s all you need
Good talent tree 
tame knoll
I almost forgot precision when I was almost out of points. Thank goodness I didn’t waste another 12 souls
real spear
If I reset my talents will I lose all my talents points
neon ether
No, they will be refunded, you can make a new tree.
dapper igloo
whats the best node out of those 3 for current tower? and if anyone got a full tree for it id be glad to see it !
dapper igloo
ty!
broken ocean
it's about your playstyle
broken ocean
support tree usually makes use of power gen
broken ocean
if you want to be offensive, go for atk/defense. if you want to be a power spammer, go for atk/support
junior tendon
But i see it is useless as only bone sheild is good and revenant
I alreadu wasted one point in support
2% pg for inactive teamates
broken ocean
But i see it is useless as only bone sheild is good and revenant
hawk stance is a must
broken ocean
if you want a support tree, i can give you bruh moment's talent tree
i'll just send message link to it
his talent tree is a big power spam
junior tendon
Idk tower seem easy usually i kill with only basics atk
broken ocean
you have high fusion diamonds so for you it isn't a problem
junior tendon
Only last 20 stages are worthy of skills
broken ocean
just go for atk/defense tree
junior tendon
I was atk/def
Seem like i will reset again no problem
Souls became ineffective in packs anyway
That is 24 souls wasted today
But i wanted the regen boost
From sup
junior tendon
Seem okay for me
dapper igloo
Can anyone suggest me talent tree to beat edenien tower? I'm at 195 normal and 151 at fatal
smoky sentinel
You can try mine
broken ocean
Can anyone suggest me talent tree to beat edenien tower? I'm at 195 normal and 1...
read pinned message guide in: #🏯-towers-relic-hunt
dapper igloo
read pinned message guide in: <#667856456674050068>
Thank you
stuck geyser
Does ghost armor really work? I feel like it's power gen isn't being useful I could be wrong. I did put 5 pts into it
clever pawn
Its just pretty overrated but you can notice a tiny little power gen boost if you get hit like a ragdoll
clever pawn
Am not even sure how you missed that
dapper igloo
junior tendon
I ised to use it good against non dots and very bad against dots card (and debuffs overall)
dapper igloo
Wait so if I unlock atk tree and support tree will they both work or what
wispy wedge
Yes
unborn hedge
is art of the tsunami good
tame knoll
is art of the tsunami good
It’s not that good. Lightning blow is a lot better
clever pawn
Those 3 talents are pretty much a free pick honestly, neither is too impressive but lightning blow sucks the least if you spend 5 points
Else savagery for bonus on sp3 if you just spend 1
real spear
Well for scorpion I spam his S1
neat coral
u cant get it
real spear
For jade I spam her S2
neat coral
u need at least 10 points to max one of them
real spear
This is an hard choice
real spear
I don't understand
I can select one now
I think I use S1 more
Since scorp spend more time fighting than rest of them
neat coral
oh i thought u completed it
real spear
No
Am in battle 80 I think
If I reset I should focus on recovery and offense?
Or defense and offense
neat coral
i should go for offence and defence
broken ocean
If I reset I should focus on recovery and offense?
Or defense and offense
offense and defense
minor yacht
How many point total of talent tree?
rancid flare
Everyone should have a total of 100 points in the talent tree
However some have 102, 105, or even 107, due to Shao Kahn Tower having a tutorial that granted the player extra talent points. This tutorial has been removed ever since
minor yacht
Everyone should have a total of 100 points in the talent tree
However some have ...
Thankyou for answer.. But why I just have 95 point although I already finished shao kan tower?
rancid flare
I think you may have spent your talent points already. Everyone should have 100, no more or no less than that
minor yacht
I think you may have spent your talent points already. Everyone should have 100,...
Ok.. Thanks.. Let me check again my total point when i reset to zero
rancid flare
👍
lost vortex
Is it possible if talent tree has save preset too ?, it would be great I think.
rancid flare
It’s a very heavily requested feature. Since they made it so you can now view your own and view your opponents talent tree, that must mean they are working on giving us a quality of life update for talent trees
I have full faith that we will get presets. Hopefully the earliest will be next update
lost vortex
Yeah, I can understand at that point.
eager raptor
I have full faith that we will get presets. Hopefully the earliest will be next ...
if we have talent preset then we can change talent tree without spending soul
junior tendon
It will need at least 100~500 per slot i think if they did it
Still better than channging every while and wasting 12 per time if it accumulate it be higher than 500 souls
rancid flare
Intimidating Presence will make BB less of a problem, so go for that
finite swift
does Brutal Ending work with Shao Kahn?
hardy girder
No, because Shao Kahn does not have a brutality
finite swift
wdym
rancid flare
wdym
Shao Kahn’s SP2 insta-kill does not work on bosses
Also brutalities are supposed to consist of two tower equipments, these are two signs that Shao Kahn SP2 is not a brutality
finite swift
ok
rancid flare
Perfectly balanced talent tree if you’d like to take this @fleet sparrow
fleet sparrow
I only have 101 talent points so I’ll just see what I can get with that
rancid flare
That’s enough to make this exact tree
fleet sparrow
Oh I thought I was behind on talent points, thanks for the help
rancid flare
No problem
fleet sparrow
I altered it a little bit
Instead of support I did those, I really like cyber lin kuei programming
rancid flare
sleek geode
I only have 101 talent points so I’ll just see what I can get with that
Wait... 101? Does the talent points reduce or something when reset🤔
shadow steeple
Wait... 101? Does the talent points reduce or something when reset🤔
No. Earlier Shao Kahn Tower use to have tutorials so you got extra 2 talents and a bug gave extra talents. So few of us have more than 100.
sleek geode
Oh
spice tinsel
What does Shokan Dominance do?
spice tinsel
And ends at?
rancid flare
20%
Shokan Dominance is a better talent than Centaurian Defense since SP1-SP2 are way more common than SP3, and its not chance based like centaurian
But if you’re dealing with enraged battles then centaurian is the way to go
spice tinsel
I feel O.I.A. Tech is too situational in my opinion.
rancid flare
OIA Tech is guaranteed to work lol
Power drain is a very common debuff, what’s situational about it
spice tinsel
I assume Ghost Armor doesn't do much either?
spice tinsel
Ghost Armor and Ouroboros Ring.
rancid flare
Requires you to take damage in order for it to work
And it doesn’t say on the talent but it’s literally chance based
Chance is unknown though
If it was guaranteed on every critical hit, then that would be a little better
spice tinsel
Why not put one point into it and then all points into Red Dragon Training?
rancid flare
Why even get ghost armor in the first place, OIA Tech is way more useful even if you invest one point into it
And Cyber Lin Kuei Programming > Red Dragon Training
spice tinsel
I guess I'd rather put points into individual debuff resistances if I do not have enough universal debuff equipments that add up to 100%.
smoky sentinel
Shokan Dominance is a better talent than Centaurian Defense since SP1-SP2 are wa...
That's why centaurian defense also triggers on any kind of block breaking attack like basics or grapples
rancid flare
But 20% chance is not very reliable at all, 1/5 chance to trigger on average
Shokan Dominance is guaranteed to reduce blocked enemy SP damage by 20%
You can combine Shokan dominance with intimidating presence and your block will barely be broken, whilst taking less damage from SP’s than usual
smoky sentinel
You can't block grapples tho...
rancid flare
There aren’t that many grapples in the game, if you have the correct team then you’ll have debuffs like power drain to save you
smoky sentinel
Both are kinda useless anyway, support and attack have much better talents than defense
rancid flare
smoky sentinel
🤨
rancid flare
Shokan Dominance, useless..? 
smoky sentinel
Uhm yeah, usually unless you play without hands you can play good enough to don't let the enemy touch you at all
Timing with specials, tag ins, predicting their next move...
rancid flare
It’s simply a defensive measure that’s always there when you need it, doesn’t rely on RNG, and can blend in very well with other equipments and talents
You are bound to take damage in every battle anyways
smoky sentinel
One of the few defensive talents that doesn't rely on a dice roll
smoky sentinel
Offense and support are still more reliable
rancid flare
Yeah, that’s fair. A lot of very useful talents in both of those trees
smoky sentinel
No one would really care about defense if revenant and boneshield weren't there to reward them when they die
rancid flare
Lol true, the majority of the playerbase loves their beloved revenant & bone shield
They don’t really think outside the box for one moment, just grab the same BS talents and it’s all good..
smoky sentinel
Every single youtuber uses them
And then rank ronins as solo characters
rancid flare
Bad YouTuber influence
clever pawn
Intimidating presence was useful for ET since you cant reallistically go breaking blocks without a maxed klassic team with smoke
Mostly just to deal with FGLK and his elder buddies
rancid flare
Yeah it makes the entirety of Edenian Tower less irritating
clever pawn
FGLK has a huge window betwren the second and last hit on his nunchuks combo
Or was it kick, forgot
But basically you get free hits every time he attacks
spice tinsel
Make a talent that is similar to Strike Force Johnny Cage's passive of dealing more damage as the current character's health goes down.
tame knoll
FGLK has a huge window betwren the second and last hit on his nunchuks combo
That’s kl lk too
spice tinsel
Should there be new Tier 3+ Defense talents that can perhaps provide competition to the other trees?
clever pawn
Id take the chance to rework the last tiers of support too
spice tinsel
I want less chance based talents in Defense.
clever pawn
I demand them to update Cyber LK training to affect soaked too
rancid flare
Yeah I think defense is the absolute last tree that needs to be buffed and expanded
spice tinsel
What about change it to affect all negative debuffs?
Recover from all debuffs faster?
spice tinsel
Make Hawk Stance II.
clever pawn
Its hilarious considering defense was the absolute best before
rancid flare
Update 3.0 turned the tables
clever pawn
With support you were already vibing with teammwork only
And stopped at precision on offense as far as I recall
rancid flare
Lol wow
spice tinsel
What about more OIA Tech but for different debuffs?
Like, the speed you are slowed to with Frostbite and Soaked is less?
Or, Weaken is less effective?
clever pawn
I dont think there will be anything that tops halving duration of them besides resisting it
spice tinsel
Or hey, Defense would be instantly better if there was a talent that only exists to counter Jade and MK11 Rain.
smoky sentinel
No way to counter mk11 jade except luck and raw damage
clever pawn
saving special bars and never doing a basic against her is the closest, much the same for rain
neon ether
Unbreakable block, powerdrain, stun and counter sp, some of the ways to beat mk11 jade, kl jax works well against her, bojutsu kung jin can do it with synergy, gear and talent.
simple raven
No way to counter mk11 jade except luck and raw damage
stun works with her
frostbite slow soak power drain especially stun are the best way to counter her annoying ass
smoky sentinel
stun works with her
You have to apply it first
And none of what you listed makes you avoid her passive
clever pawn
the enemy could just have her with raiden and or kabal
potentially she has no real counterplay besides saving power to one shot her
cripple, if anything is the most reliable source against her
jade depot
don't see anyone running jade with raiden/kabal if they got better characters though
jade depot
my bad lol
dapper igloo
stun works with her
Not if she's with kabal
narrow olive
stun works with her
You cant keep her stunned for very long
And you are done if she resists even a single stun if you try to chain
dapper igloo
And she's really good when she's in our team, best counter for mk11 Scorpion.
narrow olive
And she's really good when she's in our team, best counter for mk11 Scorpion.
Mk11 scorpion isn't hard to beat
Its only mk11 jade
Cuz scorpion is best character but when we are using him
If ai is using then mk11 jade can ruin whole battle with just 1 evasion
pulsar sorrel
If ai is using then mk11 jade can ruin whole battle with just 1 evasion
I'm fear about Assassin Jade than Mk11 Jade. Her evade and counter attack is really worst 😦
narrow olive
I'm fear about Assassin Jade than Mk11 Jade. Her evade and counter attack is rea...
She can only evade if you do combo or special attacks
You can cancel combos and prevent doing specials
But mk11 evades basic attacks
If you don't have sp ready then you are done even if she evades once
She seems easy to fight until she comes in survivor draining your every bit of health or she is boss in tower with damage high enough to kill you with 1 evasion
pulsar sorrel
She can only evade if you do combo or special attacks
Main damage come from combo attack and special. 🤣
narrow olive
Main damage come from combo attack and special. 🤣
You said it
Main damage comes from combos and specials
But mk11 evasion wont allow you to attack to reach combo or sp
dapper igloo
Kabal is the answere here again . 😃 Assasins are easy with Kabal. 💁♂️
narrow olive
Kabal is the answere here again . 😃 Assasins are easy with Kabal. 💁♂️
I don't think anyone would max bd team only for assassins
Most people I see have fx bd kano so yeah f0 kabal in team with fx bd kano would be cool
But no one will max bd unless they want too cuz assassins can be beaten by avoiding combos and sp where mk11 she has no counters
dapper igloo
Mk11 kabal can do it, and lots of player has high Fused kabal...
He is very underestimated, but he is very good against assasins. 💁♂️
And... We are going to off topick here 😃
Sorry! 
narrow olive
Mk11 kabal can do it, and lots of player has high Fused kabal...
He is very unde...
Mk11 kabal? I thought bd
Once his speed is gone he becomes useless
dapper igloo
Both
dapper igloo
Once his speed is gone he becomes useless
Jut tag out, and in again 😃
But the point is the stun, and you can do combo ender and Special Attacks too.
narrow olive
Jut tag out, and in again 😃
That wouldn't be necessary
Only if I had his brutality epic
dapper igloo
I prefer tagin stun, it Allways works
smoky sentinel
This doesn't sound like a talent tree chat
narrow olive
True
kind ember
What should I spend the points on
tame knoll
What should I spend the points on
Lin kue tutorage and black dragon training, then one in boar stance an then get teamwork when you get more points
shadow arch
Which talrnt tree is better for easier progress
I got best perk of defence , so what's next?
Support or offence??
smoky sentinel
There isn't such things
You choose talents based on what you need
Beginner or veteran doesn't matter the talents are the same
shadow arch
There isn't such things
So what's your choice between support and offence??
shadow arch
Thanks 💜
eager raptor
Sp cost reduction from equip dont stack, but do talent and equip stack?
rancid flare
No. If that’s the case then the highest SP cost reduction overwrites however much cost reduction you have in the talent, and vice versa
Like if I use Sapphire Dagger (30% power cost reduction) but I have Meditation from talent tree (15% power cost reduction), the Sapphire Dagger will be used and not the talent
desert scroll
wouldn’t this be op for bosses 🧐
clever pawn
No
rancid flare
It surprisingly does work on bosses actually
2x of what Klassic Ermac does every attempt
desert scroll
20% of a bosses health is insane
i have maxed sub0 so i might sacrifice revenent for it
rancid flare
Yeah, I wouldn’t say it would be bad to grab this since you’ll probably be dying anyways
You could also just run a strat where you die on purpose and hope this is triggered
Klassic Ermac and this talent is pretty good
rancid flare
20% when maxed, it’s not too good but it is what it is
desert scroll
4% chance lmao
i’d max it out
clever pawn
Player death makes me think that its after your 3 kards die
desert scroll
if i do keep it it’ll be until the next tower duration
rancid flare
It has a chance to trigger after each teammate death
desert scroll
imagine it does 3 times man.
jade depot
alright, time to build an SRT Tree
rancid flare
Good talent if you rely on Klassic Ermac to deal damage (which most beginners do that)
Klassic Ermac and this talent is free damage every attempt
jade depot
considering if i should use princess guard to suppress regens on sf scorps :kekw
frick
clever pawn
It would be useless after bosses are below like 60% since its current hp % damage
jade depot
hence, talent tree presets
rancid flare
Anything to make the battle faster is appreciated
clever pawn
So basically if you run 3 runs without triggering it you dont get any benefits from it
rancid flare
You’ll most likely die anyways due to the strength of the bosses
clever pawn
Japanese bomber strategy
rancid flare
💣
desert scroll
You’ll most likely die anyways due to the strength of the bosses
unless mk11 scorp Sp1 chain 👩🏿🦳🤝
rancid flare
Well yeah, he will always stay alive
If you’re using him then what you can do is just die on purpose in the last few seconds of the match, see if it triggers or not
If it does, then awesome. You just dealt lots of free damage right there
desert scroll
exactly
neon ether
Japanese bomber strategy
Kamikaze run 
jade depot
Honestly, i would've went for a more defensive based talent tree, but there's no point in holding back
The only reason i didn't use Boar Stance over Horse Stance is because Shield Break doesn't stack anymore. WPA at 30% is sufficient, used the other 2 points on LK Tutorage + BD Training
narrow olive
@jade depot Dude. 180 and 200 has sf scorp
I would recommend death mark or brutal ending
rancid flare
Looks pretty balanced, you have a good stack of talents in every tree
But yeah he’s right, death mark and brutal ending would be really helpful here
jade depot
ill figure something out if i can even get up there
dapper igloo
Enraged be waiting for you tho
jade depot
but if i do happen to get to there, i'll reduce the amount of points ive spent in support and relocate them to attack
rancid flare
Looks pretty balanced, you have a good stack of talents in every tree
But yeah h...
To be fair you probably won’t need it if you just keep snaring SF Scorp and kill him first
jade depot
you know exactly how much health SF Scorp Regens on his SP2?
Enraged SF Scorp is almost bound to get an SP2 off if you get chained
dapper igloo
30 sec healing is a lot
rancid flare
It depends on his health, regen buff on SP2 is like any other regen buff in the game
And yeah I think it’s 20-30 seconds, will test this out with a stop watch
dapper igloo
He can heal almost all health
dapper igloo
It will
jade depot
takes exactly 5-10s off the 20s-30s regen
the quitting trick will probably be deemed as a bug, and its not as op as DOTD Kitana's Passive, so im not going to use it
rancid flare
Incurabilty will work as long as you keep spamming SP2
dapper igloo
Like soul madilion and Rusty chains saw
jade depot
will try, but unfortunately there is no bb uncommon in this tower sadg
narrow olive
And yeah I think it’s 20-30 seconds, will test this out with a stop watch
Normal debuffs are for 15 seconds
jade depot
unpopular opinion but i think centaurian defense is the best talent in the game
narrow olive
Buffs are like 20
narrow olive
unpopular opinion but i think centaurian defense is the best talent in the game
Precesion
rancid flare
Normal debuffs are for 15 seconds
Both buffs and debuffs are always either 20 seconds or less, some buffs are 30 seconds (like regen of course)
jade depot
maybe brutal ending too
rancid flare
Cripple for example lasts for 20 seconds. That is the standard debuff time
narrow olive
Both buffs and debuffs are always either 20 seconds or less, some buffs are 30 s...
Regen is the longest buff but I have noticed the time
Its 15 or 20
rancid flare
Yeah, I think regen is like 30 seconds
rancid flare
Yeah. Normal regen buff is always 30 seconds. Viper Hood 8, Parade Uniform 10 or 12? DotD Kitana 10 seconds
rancid flare
Yup
narrow olive
Yeah. Normal regen buff is always 30 seconds. Viper Hood 8, Parade Uniform 10 or...
Uniform regen is pretty useless
Slow af
And regens nothing at all
Just a few per cent
Try in survivor
rancid flare
It’s factually better than Viper Hood healing, according to what Tiasma told me
But obviously it’s not gonna heal you much in survivor. Deep wounds makes regen a crappy buff, recovery and vampirism is the way to heal up
narrow olive
The regen is same as damage taken but endoskeleton with edenian pie and shield
narrow olive
It’s factually better than Viper Hood healing, according to what Tiasma told me
...
Viper hood has more regen
And also dispel
rancid flare
It has lessened duration though
I guess it’s a trade off. Viper Hood, guaranteed on SP2 and dispel but worse healing
Parade Uniform, not guaranteed but better healing
I’ll test it out someday, that claim is purely based on what I heard from another person
narrow olive
But it recovers faster
I prefer viper hood
But uniform is perfect for shield break
50% chance on combos
rancid flare
That’s understandable, dispel is a really good debuff in towers that are full of debuffs (like Edenian Tower)
Parade Uniform is the better piece all around just because it increases your damage dealing capabilities PLUS it heals you up
eager raptor
No. If that’s the case then the highest SP cost reduction overwrites however muc...
same as what i thought, otherwise it would be too op
narrow olive
@rancid flare Here
12 second regen from uniform and check the health recovered by kabal
And 30 second regen from sf scorp and see his health recovered
Ok. It crosses 50mb forget it
And viper hood I don't have fx
Here sf scorp
Tho he was taking damage, he recovered a lot
Anyone with fx viper hood can send his sp2 regen vid pls
desert scroll
Looks pretty balanced, you have a good stack of talents in every tree
But yeah h...
unless you spam mk11 jade’s sp1 👨💼🤝
if sf scorp can’t tag out he can’t save anyone
dapper igloo
Anyone with fx viper hood can send his sp2 regen vid pls
I can, but how does it related to Talent Tree? 🤔
I send it into #🗡-kollection
narrow olive
I can, but how does it related to Talent Tree? 🤔
Forget it
Uniform has better healing tho
proven kiln
I have changed my talent tree, spent almost 100 souls today
No more defense
I liked Draco's tree but didn't Max stalwart defense
dapper igloo
What's the best talent tree setup for mk11 Raiden
shadow arch
I dont have any brutality equipment, so is death mark worth to getting or should i get support or defence talents?
smoky sentinel
Deathmark
Defense is mostly useless unless you think that relying on luck to get your ass saved would be better than your fighting skills
shadow arch
For deathmark, after percision , should i take critical strike talents ?? Like black dragon training , lin kuei tutorage!?!
Or talents for special attacks increase damage??
And 1 more question
The art of the tsunami vs lightning blow ? Which talent is better work with death mark?
smoky sentinel
For deathmark, after percision , should i take critical strike talents ?? Like b...
Crits work with everyone so they are better
You can check the pinned guide
smoky sentinel
The art of the tsunami vs lightning blow ? Which talent is better work with deat...
Lightning blow
shadow arch
Thanks
opal junco
shadow arch
Oh you have , shirai ryu teachings
shadow arch
Again, check the pinned guide
Yeah i saw pinned , but they mostly for heroes I didn't have
And non of them are with death mark
So i saw the above talent build ( your talents ) i its like what i want
smoky sentinel
Talent trees should not be based on characters
And mine is universal
And if you want deathmark just replace brutal ending with It
opal junco
He said he copied my tree
I edited it
By putting more focus into attack then support and defense
And it’s also a bit more effective against revenants or characters who respawn
Wait no they are both the same
It’s perfect for any character that has stun or needs more critical chance and damage
But yes credits to Draco for giving me a slight idea of the talent tree I decided to create
smoky sentinel
shadow steeple
Check pins, it has some good tress.
languid topaz
The pinned Docs talentry has a wrong number on Death Mark Technique it stacks 3 times not 5 like before
opal junco
Can someone send me the best tree dor talents?
Use mine
Really good for critical hits and against people who respawn
The base is dracos tree
Mine is a bit edited
smoky sentinel
The pinned Docs talentry has a wrong number on Death Mark Technique it stacks 3 ...
Never stacked more than 3 times
Idk where that 5 comes from
dapper igloo
Yes, but in the pinned description it is 5 instead of 3
smoky sentinel
@soft siren that's for you
smoky sentinel
Outworld scourge
clever pawn
Not sure to how much % edenia champ gets to when maxed, genuinely never used it
smoky sentinel
10%
narrow olive
Idk man i use mk11 jade kabal and saibot
Jade and kabal sp1 is better
With daggers you wont believe the results I got
Daggers I chained sp1 like hell
I mean the rate of sp1 was enough to get to sp2 just after 2 sp1s from 0 power
Only problem
I dont have his brutality
He is a total beast with his epic and daggers
keen kernel
I have brutality of jade
The problem with that i dont need sp1, jade 1 shots everything with sp2
narrow olive
The problem with that i dont need sp1, jade 1 shots everything with sp2
What's the problem there?
keen kernel
So isnt bottom one better?
smoky sentinel
Top
clever pawn
Top only if you want to spend 5 points
And even then it only benefits sp1 heavy kards
smoky sentinel
Oia tech
glad flax
^
jade depot
ive seen a lot of people also choose ghost armor, but something that requires u to get hit is yikes
clever pawn
I see it as the troll talent
peak storm
Why does everyone run hawk stance not bear stance
clever pawn
Because debuff resistance is 20 times better than extra hp
peak storm
So what would be the best all round skill tree and what to prioritise in getting first
jade depot
there is no "best" talent tree
you build your own according to what u believe are best
narrow olive
So what would be the best all round skill tree and what to prioritise in getting...
There isn't any best talent but precision is considered most important
fallow thunder
@turbid eagle Here is it
turbid eagle
<@615244775783792640> Here is it
Thanks ✅
lunar dagger
smoky sentinel
No
broken nexus
I could use more talent points..
peak storm
What path would u recommend
dapper igloo
anyone got a good tree for brutal ending?
smoky sentinel
Check my tree in the guide pinned
dapper igloo
Check my tree in the guide pinned
thank u!
dapper igloo
Check my tree in the guide pinned
yo does it need the extra 2 points?
smoky sentinel
Brutal ending has to be maxed
If you have 2 extra points use them on lightning blow
dapper igloo
okay thanks
ashen star
I'm too lazy to mess with my talent tree lol
dapper igloo
Wait so if reset talents all 100 points is refunded?
shadow steeple
Yep. All talent points are refunded.
dapper igloo
Beautiful
solemn ginkgo
wtf is this
solemn ginkgo
this has to be one of the worst talent trees Ive ever seen
kindred talon
WHY
solemn ginkgo
Imma tell you what to do
solemn ginkgo
You have 100 points?
kindred talon
95
solemn ginkgo
Ok
kindred talon
how to get 100 ?
solemn ginkgo
So attack- 1 lion stance, precision maxed.
Thats all for attack (we will see if we get some more)
solemn ginkgo
Support: Boar stance 1 point, teamwork maxed, warlocks spell 1, combat veterean 1(might add) , weak point attacks MAXED
solemn ginkgo
lion stance
WHY
kindred talon
you say lion stance
solemn ginkgo
I said 1 point....
kindred talon
.
solemn ginkgo
and precision maxed...
kindred talon
DUDE
solemn ginkgo
u cant read?
solemn ginkgo
So attack ONE point on lion stance
And precision maxed
Support:
Boar Stance 1, Teamwork Maxed, Warlock Spells 1, Combat Veterean 1(might add), Weak Point Attacks Maxed
kindred talon
team work is 1
solemn ginkgo
Max it.
solemn ginkgo
Bro just scroll a bit up
solemn ginkgo
Attack PT2. Lin Kuei Tutorage 3, Rapid Response Maxed, Shirai Ryu Teachings 2. Than the next one can be anything for 1 point. And Deathmark Maxed
solemn ginkgo
Yes
kindred talon
oky
solemn ginkgo
Lin kuei 3 means 3 points to that
solemn ginkgo
Post pics
solemn ginkgo
all 3
kindred talon
kindred talon
what is it
solemn ginkgo
Max both combat veteran and Weak point attacks
kindred talon
okay ı do that
solemn ginkgo
bro...
kindred talon
WHAT YOU TOLD
ME
I HAVE A 5 POİNTS LAST
ı cant understand your words sometimes
because of my engilsh
sorry but
you have to help me please
last 5 points
please
@solemn ginkgodont do this
please
😦
don't do this to me
jade depot
guess he did it to u
solemn ginkgo
guess he did it to u
i did
fluid wren
Need save option for different variations like for teams. And need option cansel not all tree but just part of them
solemn ginkgo
ok
sacred wave
Anybody here use the death Mark tecnique on the attack talent tree? What is the rate of applying it when doing X-rays? 3Xrays one deathmark?
I know there is percentage but, i wanna know the real experience of it
clever pawn
Thats not how deathmarks are applied
You might be refering to Noob's tower rare effect
It applies deathmarks on x ray use but its totally unrelated to the talent tree
dapper igloo
Anybody here use the death Mark tecnique on the attack talent tree? What is the ...
Not xray, combo ender have 25% chance to apply Death Mark
deep olive
Anybody here use the death Mark tecnique on the attack talent tree? What is the ...
imo, if you are using deathmark from the talent tree, also max out precision. Precision increases the chances of combo enders.
sacred wave
It applies deathmarks on x ray use but its totally unrelated to the talent tree
Ah im sorry, i always use my gold noob to counter Terminator,Wr Qc,SF Scorp, but its kinda rare for me to get his card, i open Packs, from the tower, from the faction wars', its really hard to find his card for me, till now he still f0
So, i was wondering, what if i use the deathmark tecnique from the talent tree?
Cuz i use my point for shinnok teaching and attack only
rocky laurel
deathmark technique makes it so that jason can't resurrect himself, nor quanchi's ability resurrect characters.
i don't know if the other tree option that can defeat enemies immediately with combo enders keeps them from reviving or not.
I know shao khan's s2 prevents a resurrection.
deep olive
Brutal ending will give you the chance to perform brutality to any character, which has the same effect of preventing resurrection.
rocky laurel
awesome
solemn ginkgo
i feel like deathmark is more useful
native plover
Brutal ending is an instant death while if you apply death mark you need to kill the opponent manually, they could tag out so I prefer brutal ending, but only if one of your main characters have it
sacred wave
Brutal ending is an instant death while if you apply death mark you need to kill...
Brutal ending is useless if we don't have the brutality equipment right?
smoky sentinel
Yeah
sacred wave
But then, from my experience, Brutality can only be perform to a last person of enemy team, does brutal ending makes you can perform brutallity to any enemies?
smoky sentinel
Exactly
whole stag
deathmark technique makes it so that jason can't resurrect himself, nor quanchi'...
Death mark prevents any form of resurrection, including terminator, ice clone, and SF Scorpion.
smoky sentinel
Lost my 5 extra points so i reworked my tree
Got rid of the talent to reduce crit chance in defense and upgraded the others
Let's enjoy a maxed precision and 15% less cost for sp1
acoustic cloak
Lost my 5 extra points so i reworked my tree
Did you lose 5 points from random places or did your tree get reset for free?
smoky sentinel
I had 107 points so they reduced them to 102
acoustic cloak
Yeah, I'm asking if those 5 were removed from random skills
smoky sentinel
They just resetted my tree for free
minor yacht
Is there any tallent tree guide for earthrealm tower?
smoky sentinel
No
sturdy bridge
I want to build triborg team, any guild for talent tree ?
signal radish
rocky laurel
I want to build triborg team, any guild for talent tree ?
which triborg are you leaving out? combo enders with sub zero borg give you a free freeze and applies frostbite, so combo ender chance up is great. not sure I have any suggestions for any of the rest.
rocky laurel
what was the yellow one's passive for the team?
i know the smoke one steals energy for the team with s1
red one would have applied burns with everyone's s1
sturdy bridge
yellow passive gain critical hit chance for SA n team gains 50% crit damage
rocky laurel
probably increase crit chance in talents as well.
crit damage won't do anything if you can't crit consistently
cobalt tiger
Unbridled Savagery, Thunderous Blows or Art of Tsunami if I can max one of these?
smoky sentinel
Get a talent tree focused on sp1 spam, deathmark and crits
keen thunder
Art of tsunami nerfed, now 10% damage instead of 20%.
pulsar sorrel
Art of tsunami nerfed, now 10% damage instead of 20%.
eh ? it got nerf ?
smoky sentinel
Yes
Now it's 10% damage
If it was bad before now it's even worse
Maybe they increased the chance?
pulsar sorrel
Maybe they increased the chance?
100% is good starting. 🥳
dapper igloo
Is unbridled savagery a better option to go for now?
smoky sentinel
Lightning blow has always been the best
clever pawn
Unless you spend 5 points its always been a whatever option
The talents on that tier are either average when maxed or very little impact at 1
untold herald
Attack build for mk11 scorpion??
dapper igloo
How i get bone shield or that orange barrier?
native plover
Bone shield is called Shinnok’s teaching in the last branch of the support tree
And you can get revenant from the branch before Shinnok’s teachings
cyan ether
Does Fuijin's boon talent remove blind?
deep olive
Does Fuijin's boon talent remove blind?
Blind is a debuff not a DOT, so fuijins boon talent will not remove blind.
cyan ether
I figured it wouldnt, but i wanted to be sure.
smoky sentinel
You gain more power from critical hits
smoky sentinel
Scroll to the left and click the 📌 icon
untold herald
Ahh, I gotta do when I get home cuz I’m mobile it’s not there
But pinned has a scorpion talent tree right?
Cuz Idk if I should do bottom path for fire or too path for sp1 or middle for crits 😭😭
smoky sentinel
Middle for crits works on every character
smoky sentinel
Ahh, I gotta do when I get home cuz I’m mobile it’s not there
I gave you mobile instructions
untold herald
So should I focus on defense for survival?
covert swallow
Art of tsunami or unbridled savagery which ones better
eager raptor
Art of tsunami or unbridled savagery which ones better
Pick lightning blow
It may save u sometimes
Because it's not a debuff so nobody can resist it
graceful tundra
smoky sentinel
Mine
Tho i changed it after the point reset
Now i have only hawk stance in defense and used the rest of the points to boost other talents
carmine moon
What is the max points for talent tree? I'm already got 100
neat coral
U got max alr
carmine moon
But I saw some got 101 or 102 points
carmine moon
sigh~~
Also the talent which increase conbo ender chance, is it really make any difference? I never tested before lok
neat coral
It does
I use it its very helpful
If u want it spend 3 or 4 points on it
I would do 4
But ur choice
smoky sentinel
At least 4 points
carmine moon
hmm
smoky sentinel
But I saw some got 101 or 102 points
It's because of the old shao kahn tower tutorial
Which now has been removed
So max is 100
carmine moon
It's because of the old shao kahn tower tutorial
Okay
smoky sentinel
Also the talent which increase conbo ender chance, is it really make any differe...
And yes it's a must have, at least 4 points
neat coral
Yea
neat coral
Okay nice
smoky sentinel
Only few characters need 5 points, but with 4 you'll have 100% combo ender chance on most of your characters
carmine moon
Injustice Raiden is in the few characters, I believe
neat coral
Only few characters need 5 points, but with 4 you'll have 100% combo ender chanc...
Exactly, i have that
smoky sentinel
Injustice Raiden is in the few characters, I believe
Yes
Inj raiden, baraka, kw sonya, triborg sub0...
carmine moon
Also whatever mean that special attack mini games?
Sry for asking a lot.it's been a while since I look talent tree.
neat coral
I think the swipe when u do a sp
Attack
Like an example u have kenshi sp1 u have to swipe
neat coral
True
smoky sentinel
Precision is the only good one there, also a must in every talent tree
neat coral
Yea
scarlet ingot
I'm about to change something... Maybe Death Mark instead of Brutality (only Kabal Mk11 use it, and he is IV)
scarlet ingot
So, I did it)
solemn ginkgo
ok
leaden quarry
Does meditation not work when you already have power cost reduction equipment like bloody voodoo doll?
native plover
Power reduction doesn’t stack
smoky sentinel
Check mine in the guide pinned
true ermine
how do i find the pinned one
true ermine
thx
chrome thistle
Is it better Brutal Ending or Death Mark technique?
clever pawn
Brutal ending has a higher chance to work, but you do need to have the brutalities
chrome thistle
I’m thinking on changing to brutal ending for all those bosses battles on nightmare tower that keep resurrecting, cause death mark sometimes says they are immune 🥸
chrome thistle
I got Scorpion, Rain, Kitana and Johnny brutalities… maybe i should change it
For beating those bosses on towers XD
merry flax
Hey, what is the most useful section on the talent tree? Should i go to the defense and support? Attack and defense? Or equal both tree
eager raptor
After 3.0 offense is the best
Then spend the rest on support. But currently with the power bug, i just spend 1 on horse stance, and go with defense instead
But it's totally up to u
Choose that fits you the most
smoky sentinel
1: bear stance sucks, get hawk stance
2: no need to level up other talents in defense, first focus on getting precision in attack and get at least 4 points in it
oak kayak
The guide said too put bear stance
smoky sentinel
The guide says to put hawk stance too 
Extra health doesn't win you matches, debuff resistance does
acoustic cloak
Centaurian maxed?
smoky sentinel
I mean it can have its uses but usually one point is enough just to move to the next tier
(In defense i use only hawk stance)
smoky sentinel
Grapple attacks, basics with block breaker, xrays...
acoustic cloak
as in, it just means the first block breaker hit
smoky sentinel
Any attack that breaks the block
acoustic cloak
I meant as in, every attack after the blockbreaker in the special/ basic combo doesn't count for centaurian
or does it
if it does then it's kinda cool, if not I don't really see the point in it.
well, other than for xrays
sudden elm
What offense is best to start with?
smoky sentinel
Get one point in tiger stance and then move directly to precision (at least 4 points)
sudden elm
Get one point in tiger stance and then move directly to precision (at least 4 po...
Ok thanks
smoky sentinel
My tree
neat coral
Should i just copy urs?
smoky sentinel
Yeah
neat coral
Ooooh
Srry
U have 102 i have 100
So should i just use 2 points on meditation and max wpa
smoky sentinel
Yes
neat coral
Okay thx
dapper igloo
I like my own talent tree
sacred wave
What is the talent that gives you somekind of blowback when you damage your enemies, and so do sometimes enemies hit/do special and X-ray you, but they the one who gets the damage
Its really annoying on the faction wars, when you win perfectly but on the last hit, we got blow back from our own damage
clever pawn
Centaurean defense
20% chance to reflect unblockable damage, X-rays count too even if they dont hit a block
sacred wave
Sometimes it does save you on towers, specialy from bosses, but when you againts it on faction wars, dude...hella annoying
sacred wave
Centaurean defense
Anyway thanks for the info
grave obsidian
@smoky sentinel hi pal it’s optimal talent tree or for some kind character?
grave obsidian
Cool im in game few months so only few golds at fx best diamond is f5 so far…
north briar
And every game mode
How did you get 102 talent points
smoky sentinel
By playing the old shao kahn tower tutorial back in the days
bronze rain
@smoky sentinel As far I know deathmark is a passive used by Noob saibot,right?
smoky sentinel
AND it's also a talent
bronze rain
Ohh
smoky sentinel
The talent came first btw
smoky sentinel
What am i supposed to explain
bronze rain
Actually i just keep playing so don't have much information about that
smoky sentinel
There's the guide pinned
bronze rain
Okk
bronze rain
There's the guide pinned
Thanks buddy
sturdy falcon
it does not matter..... its chance based... u can't prove if working or not
sometimes trigger in a row.. sometimes whole run passes n it doesn't trigger
if u have basic collection.... survival is important... so u can choose..
if u are having 10 plus good fx diamonds, multi fx equipments n know how to use a card best... may be these talents are not that critical..
in nutshell its based on ur style n current status of account.
sand schooner
Bottom line : bone shield for most part is garbage
dapper igloo
The chance is very low, it is not safe!
And it triggers after suffer from Special Attack, it is useless imo.
Weakness, Power drain or criple work better for me.
native plover
It was better before since it could trigger mid special but now if you really want some sort of shield to save you, revenant is the only worthwhile talent.
native plover
Always get at least 4 points on precision.
And Shaolin last stand isn’t that great, would’ve been better if you maxed out centaurian defence instead, it’s RNG but very helpful if it triggers.
forest current
And Shaolin last stand isn’t that great, would’ve been better if you maxed out c...
Bro
Always ninjitsu is the last guy standing and he gets x-ray 100% chance so end of the match 100% win rate and i play according to that so I keep him for the last nuke
native plover
If it fits your play style then keep it but still get at least 4 points on precision
forest current
I'll try:)
Literally nothing to remove though
Combo chance boost is insane I know but nothing to sacrifice for that purpose
@native plover
Rapid response is important by the way
37k to 29k it will get nerfed if I reduce
native plover
Opportunist isn’t needed
forest current
Damage boost against stun😂 liu k will lose 100 minus 50 damage
Scorp chain spear will lose 3k damage too
dapper igloo
Precision still better
And black Dragon Traing is Allways active, but rapid respons only good for sp1.
pulsar sorrel
do we have any build could balance between Survivor and Normal Tower ? Just balance, not the best one.
native plover
Probably offence and defence
Brutal ending/deathmark from offence and revenant from defence
pulsar sorrel
Brutal ending/deathmark from offence and revenant from defence
ty
young rapids
Mantis or Lion stance?
smoky sentinel
Tiger
storm tinsel
Thanks Draco i was struggling on level 135 ERT and now i won on first try with your talent-tree 😄
smoky sentinel
Opportunist and bear stance 😶
smoky sentinel
Opportunist and bear stance 😶
Top 10 worst talents
smoky sentinel
That's useless
forest current
Why🤔
smoky sentinel
Extra health doesn't win you a match, resisting debuffs does
smoky sentinel
And opportunist is just useless, precision is a must have
forest current
To precision if u like
smoky sentinel
And opportunist is just useless, precision is a must have
^
smoky sentinel
Hope I did it right 😅
You went too far in support to get talents that unless maxed are ineffective
( WPA and outworld scourge)
dapper igloo
WPA?
smoky sentinel
Weak point attacks
dapper igloo
I'll rest again
smoky sentinel
How many total points do you have
dapper igloo
Busy with 2nd run
smoky sentinel
Outworld scourge can go
dapper igloo
I have 102 talents @smoky sentinel
smoky sentinel
Then just copy mine
dapper igloo
I did 😅