🌲-talent-tree

[smoky sentinel]

Works only if you have brutalities tho

[narrow maple]

Unfortunately, I don't have any yet :/

[broken ocean]

you should try getting the 100 talent points

[sinful mulch]

That would require beating shao Kahn’s tower tho

[smoky sentinel]

Which is nothing hard

[eager raptor]

Which is the weakest team u can use to beat shao kahn tower? Close to f4-f5 gold?

[smoky sentinel]

I used a f0 diamond team 🤷‍♂️

And f3 triborgs

They're nothing impressive

The last opponent is a f7 diamond team with no equipments and random tag in

Hellspawn, klassic raiden and ravenous mileena

There is #🗡-kollection btw

And yes yours is more than enough

[eager raptor]

i just afraid of the modifiers

[sinful mulch]

That’s greatly dependent on how high your team is

A beginner won’t be able to beat it , or even get half way

[smoky sentinel]

^

[smoky sentinel]

^

[sinful mulch]

Your rng must be insane if you got 3 diamonds as a beginner 😹

[smoky sentinel]

Sf scorp because he ascended, inj raiden from my third fw reward ever, and mk11 sub0 from packs

[sinful mulch]

How far up the tower do you need to get to get shao Kahn’s first summon

[smoky sentinel]

You need 27 fragments

[sinful mulch]

I know you need 27 shards , how far up is that 27th

[smoky sentinel]

All in the guide pinned in #🏯-towers-relic-hunt

[sinful mulch]

Ok, so essentially reach level 50 , or around that level

[narrow olive]

54

Actually you need nothing

Relic hunt itself gives 60 fragments lol

[sinful mulch]

So basically , I shouldn’t bother doing the tower , and should wait for relic hunt , where I’ll have enough on completion for a tier one shao Kahn

[dapper igloo]

well, always do shao kahn tower so you can maximize your possibilities of a shao kahn fusion as sometimes relic hunt can’t fuse shao kahn to another level

[sinful mulch]

By the next time it comes I’ll be sitting on 20 fragments, so I’m guessing 80 is enough for 2 shaos

Second summons within that 57 if I remember correctly

[dapper igloo]

yes

[sinful mulch]

Depending on if I can even finish the relic hunt

[dapper igloo]

doesn’t matter if you can’t finish it!

[smoky sentinel]

You need the talents

Also you need 1300 fragmenrs for fx, so always play the tower

[dapper igloo]

i only have 217 so far, hopefully my shao is f2 once relic hunt comes around

[narrow maple]

is there a set schedule for relic hunt like every 3 months or something? or is it random

[dapper igloo]

random

they announce when relic hunt happens on their Twitter a few days before it happens I believe

[smoky sentinel]

Not really

Most of the times it just happens

[dapper igloo]

ah my bad

[topaz flower]

This my actual Talent Tree. It is at the same time very offensive and very defensive.

[dapper igloo]

No hawk stance?

I just noticed this

Still a cool talent tho respectfully

That’s why I made mines a little similar but I went for shirai ryu teachings and black dragon training

And for defense hawk stance maxed, intimidating presence maxed, centaurian defense maxed, red dragon training maxed, and revenant maxed, and for support horse stance and teamwork both maxed

No precision is at 4/5 as usual

[jaunty kiln]

Should I still go for weak point attacks if I have an Mk11 Jade who I use a lot?

[smoky sentinel]

Not like you use only one character

And i think at least one powerdrainer in every team is a must

[dapper igloo]

reformed talent tree

tell me if its' good

[dapper igloo]

It’s cool

But at least max out weak points

no need to max out weak points, 30% is more than enough hehe

[smoky sentinel]

But 40% is better

[dapper igloo]

ture

true

maybe i should have spent less on precision

[smoky sentinel]

4 points are enough on precision

With less it's useless

[dapper igloo]

i see

[dapper igloo]

Here it is

Don’t ask about ghost armor I just chose it just because

[dapper igloo]

Wdym like scorpions equipment on a player or someone like Johnny or kenshi

Can you show me your team layouts cause I’m confused a little

[smoky sentinel]

Nothing to be confused about

I have a powerdrainer in every team i build

[dapper igloo]

As far as like kenshi or Johnny?

Or scorps equipment

[smoky sentinel]

Mk11 sub0, mk11 raiden's sp3, bloody tomahawk....

[dapper igloo]

That’s not what I meant

Nvm

[proven schooner]

In SW as you burn through your characters sometimes I just slap a card like Jk on someone and I'll use scorpions spear and grandfather's gun due to sun effects

[dapper igloo]

Huh

I said nvm

[austere valley]

Hey all..i am using defensive talents since the talent tree appeared for the first time.My main teams, with most of characters Fx ,are SF, CoS and KW.Plus an F5 mk11 team(Skarlet,Raiden,Jade).Should i try the offensive talents and what are the best ones?

[smoky sentinel]

You can check my tree, it's in the pinned guide

[austere valley]

Roger

@smoky sentinel you mean the pins in this channel? Cant find yours

[rancid flare]

Yes in the pins

#🌲-talent-tree message

[smoky sentinel]

It's featured in the guide

[rancid flare]

Scroll down and look at where it says “Draco’s Elder God Talents”

[austere valley]

Oh ok thanks guys.It is time for a change in my gameplay.Since they nerfed my favorite bone shield .

[broken ocean]

is your tree just for offense?

damage

[smoky sentinel]

They can't kill me if they're dead

[rancid flare]

Very true lol

[smoky sentinel]

Also i wanted brutal ending, so i just got all the best talents in between

[broken ocean]

if one of them dies? you're immortal?

[smoky sentinel]

If one dies i have the other 2

[broken ocean]

that sounds op

that looks like shang tsung stone

[austere valley]

Weak point attacks is totally amazing on my Sf team.I haven't used that talent before.

[narrow olive]

I see your talent tree and I am copying it but is stalwart defense necessary?

Its just opponent crit chance reduction and I only need a tree for tower

[smoky sentinel]

Guess what? Everyone has crit chance, everywhere

[narrow olive]

Even in towers?

[smoky sentinel]

Some characters have it in their passive

And also, kusarigama

[narrow olive]

Characters is no problem but do boss have it?

[smoky sentinel]

Yes they do

Tremor in 160 has it maxed

[narrow olive]

Ohk

Hey but I have varan jacket on jhonny

Crit healing

Guess that will reduce some damage taken

[smoky sentinel]

The crit healing part is pretty much useless

The goal is to don't get hit

[narrow olive]

Still when it comes it makes it like normal hit

[narrow olive]

Yeah true

That means I can change that talent

[smoky sentinel]

It means stalwart defense is a universal talent and works everywhere

[narrow olive]

Cuz only time I get hit is when opponent blocks all the basic hits even at 45% chance

[smoky sentinel]

My tree has been the same since 3.0, i use it for towers, survivor....

[narrow olive]

I just hate how erron at 160 always gets unblockable sp1

[smoky sentinel]

Cripple him

[narrow olive]

Ig you have mk11 team

Mine is just f3

[smoky sentinel]

In survivor teams can be used only once...

[narrow olive]

I don't do survivor

[smoky sentinel]

And my team was f3 too in 3.0

[narrow olive]

Just 1 fatal and 2 hard

Ohkk

[neon ether]

I use combat veteran, maxed. Critical damage now much less of a problem.

[smoky sentinel]

If they don't do crits critical damage is not a problem at all

[neon ether]

safety measure.

most of my cards dont ever need to worry getting critical damage anymore, they get reduced to normal or even less.

[bleak oracle]

Well this is my talent tree i forgot to use hawks stance

[narrow olive]

Remove bone shield and use weak points

[cobalt tiger]

Does unbridled savagery only boost the damage of the hit of the first block breaker attack or does it carry forward to the rest of the string?

[smoky sentinel]

Only the block breaking hit

[cobalt tiger]

What about special attacks that have block breaker? Only the first hit still?

[broken ocean]

i suggest using rather precision

[hot garden]

Can someone please tell me the talents that give highes crit dmg and Chance and also dot dmg thingys (fire and posion)

Like dot dmg and basic attack dmg agains enemy’s with dot

[smoky sentinel]

It's all in the guide pinned

[hot garden]

Under which title?

[smoky sentinel]

If you check the guide you can be SURE you'll find it, just have to read it

[hot garden]

Oh just checked they are under the last title(table of contexts)

[hot garden]

I meant which table of context tells which talent is what but I found it thx

[turbid wadi]

some talents got removed because the have merged or combined

what is hawk stance good at

can it stack with tremor elemental face mask?

[smoky sentinel]

Debuff resistance

[smoky sentinel]

Yes

Get it maxed, you'll have no regrets

[turbid wadi]

it is maxed

[dapper igloo]

Don’t tell someone to use something if they don’t want to use it

[smoky sentinel]

No one did that

[narrow olive]

Just a better suggestion

Is bone shield better than WPA?

[smoky sentinel]

No

[dapper igloo]

But wpa is not always for everyone

It’s a good suggestion

[narrow olive]

Says who?

[dapper igloo]

I do

[narrow olive]

A power drainer is a must in every team

[dapper igloo]

Draco words

[narrow olive]

And snare is always better than the nerfed bone shield

[dapper igloo]

And not really

[narrow olive]

Its true though

[dapper igloo]

I never said anything about bone shield

But not everyone always gonna use wpa

It’s what they prefer

[narrow olive]

You mean not everyone is gonna choose better option

[dapper igloo]

Probably because not everyone goes for support

[narrow olive]

Check hi tree again

[dapper igloo]

And there’s other options if people don’t want wpa

[narrow olive]

I never said to choose the whole support

[dapper igloo]

That’s all I’m saying that it’s not for everyone

[narrow olive]

I first saw that he is only a tier away from WPA

And that 1 tier can be replaced by other useless tier

[dapper igloo]

But you just basically said “you mean not everyone is gonna choose better option”

[narrow olive]

Yeah so I just told to replace 1 talent

Not to change whole support and defense

Its just useless to argue with you man

Gotta do tower bye

[dapper igloo]

Ard

Later

[dapper igloo]

Not trying to argue just giving my opinion

[narrow olive]

👍

[neon ether]

My latest talent :
Offense : tiger stance=m, precision=4, killstroke=1, black dragon training=m, thunderous blows=4, lightning blow=m, brutal ending=m

defense : hawk stance=m, reavers armor=m

support : boar stance=1, iron fists=4, warlocks spells=1, combat veteran=m

this talent is more focused on reducing critical and lethal damage, while still offering good attack boost. for full effect, equip respirator fx on a card that will be subjected to attack from enemy that has high criticals and lethals, like cos, ronin, mk11 teams and shao kahn. an f9 50 vamp mileena can easily withstand fx 60 cos liukang start of match full critical and lethals combo+sp1, neutering damage to normal or less. max combat veteran gets better with higher toughness, at least 37.5k is recommended for critical damage reduced to normal.

[dapper igloo]

My current and forever talent tree

[broken ocean]

good talent tree ryan

[dapper igloo]

Thanks

[dapper igloo]

No death mark? 🤔

[dapper igloo]

why is COS kung lao good?

[smoky sentinel]

Infinite specials

[eager raptor]

Nice hair

[dapper igloo]

I don’t need it any more

Cause I never used it before 3.0 and I still had beaten towers so why do I need it now that’s what I realized so I took it off

[smoky sentinel]

It was different before 3.0

[dapper igloo]

Yea I know

That’s what I am saying

[smoky sentinel]

Like looking at water and saying "i never drank cola before it"

[dapper igloo]

What?

Nvm

[smoky sentinel]

The fact that you didn't use it before 3.0 doesn't matter since now it does a totally different thing

[dapper igloo]

You keep saying this every time I have to explain to someone of why I don’t use it

[dapper igloo]

Bruh nvm

Cause that’s what I am saying before 3.0 it was different never used it and I had still beaten towers but when 3.0 did come out I had used it but I realized I still don’t need it cause still do what I do before 3.0

So I noticed I can still beat towers without even using it

[smoky sentinel]

Deathmark makes your life much easier tho

And in some towers it was a must like NT

[dapper igloo]

Only for those who don’t have resurrection

It’s like everytime someone did have resurrection gear or passive it never applied

[smoky sentinel]

It's extra damage anyway

[dapper igloo]

Yea I know

[smoky sentinel]

And if it doesn't work is because your luck sucks, not fault of the talent

[dapper igloo]

But still don’t need it

[smoky sentinel]

Still, it's deathmark or killing them twice

[dapper igloo]

Doesn’t matter any more I don’t use it so I don’t need it

[smoky sentinel]

Ok

[clever pawn]

Wouldnt argue with a guy using red dragon training, just by looking at that alone I can already tell he views the game in a completely different way

[smoky sentinel]

Red dragon training can have its uses, cyber lin kuei is better tho

[dapper igloo]

Wdym views it in a different way

I really don’t I just use what I prefer

[dapper igloo]

You can argue if someone has red dragon training what’s wrong with that?

[smoky sentinel]

Let's not start another useless discussion now

[dapper igloo]

I’m not but what he said doesn’t make sense tho

[hardy girder]

He is Simon Cowell of mkm, just leave him

Nothing can satisfy him

[dapper igloo]

What ever

[broken ocean]

infinite sp2 that gives him shield multiple times

that way he is able to damage and tank

with the vampirism from cos quan chi, he can heal tons

[clever pawn]

infinite combo potential on corners, his damage is kinda ass so I wouldnt really recommend him on boss fights or timed battles, kinda the only downside to him

[broken ocean]

yeah the fact that his damage isn't really great makes it kinda dissapointing

if he did legit alot of damage, he would've become a top diamond

[warped narwhal]

is team work a good support

[dapper igloo]

Yes I still use it

Actually a lot of people still use it

At first when 3.0 came out they fixed it

And people and I was iffy but now I just use it

[warped narwhal]

so it regenerates not-active teammates power pretty good?

[dapper igloo]

Yes

Just use it for yourself and come back to tell us how you like it

If not that then spec ops tactics

But another best way to experience teamwork is with horse stance and teamwork maxed

[scarlet ingot]

Here's mine... Maybe I should remove talents from attack to support three?

*to get Strike in weak spot

[smoky sentinel]

Get rid of the defense tree

Especially boneshield, it's useless now

And in the attack tree precision is a must, at least 4 points

[scarlet ingot]

It's the last one?

[elder tusk]

Bone shield can just be hit through now

U don't take damage but its essentially worthless

[scarlet ingot]

Ok, I'm going to change it)

[rancid flare]

Get precision, hawk stance, rapid response, and thunderous blows. These are all great, universal talents

If you want, you can get revenant, however revenant is definitely not needed to win in this game

It’s not mandatory, unlike precision

[scarlet ingot]

But at first - change language on my smartphone

@rancid flare 🙏 🙏

[scarlet ingot]

maybe i keep the Bear Stance...

[rancid flare]

No, bear stance is bad. Hawk stance is a much better alternative

Having resistance to all debuffs is very valuable

And you care about offense, you care about dealing the most damage

Hawk stance will help you ignore everything else and focus on dealing the most damage

[scarlet ingot]

[languid topaz]

Lightning blow or art of tsunami?

[scarlet ingot]

Cetaurian Defense work only when I use block?

[languid topaz]

Shokan Dominance is better

[smoky sentinel]

Lightning blow

[scarlet ingot]

I have never play with block, so I dont need it)

[languid topaz]

Only some have unblockable attack

So best one would be shokan dominance

[scarlet ingot]

I mean i dont even try to block enemy's attacks)

[scarlet ingot]

Well, that's my result)

[lime haven]

What’s important in talent tree

Like what should I do

I haven’t touched it at all

[smoky sentinel]

Talent tree is one of the most important parts of the game

You can check the guide pinned

[lime haven]

Thank you

[fierce dome]

Is this a good set up for KC team?

[narrow olive]

Ig defense should be better as you don't need brutality in kc team

Support is fine but if you ask me, I used to have same support except teamwork in place of spec ops tactics, meditation unmaxed

In defense I had hawk stance maxed, 2 3points on intimidating presence, and maxed revenant

With precesion in offence

Ofc I now have brutality so I don't have revenant

[dapper igloo]

yep, very good, support and attack focused. you should have an easy time destroying fx60 diamond teams with this setup ( assuming you have kc team maxed )

[dapper igloo]

Good for scorp mk11?

[smoky sentinel]

Precision needs at least 4 points

[dapper igloo]

When i have enough sure

[smoky sentinel]

Lion stance maxed is a waste

[clever pawn]

I dont even remember what strangehold does

[smoky sentinel]

Extra damage against dots i think

[dapper igloo]

its good cause mk11 scorp does alot of fire dot

[smoky sentinel]

But crit talents are universal and work better on anyone

[dapper igloo]

and i have blaze on him so i figured

[smoky sentinel]

Check my tree in the guide pinned

[dapper igloo]

Kkk

[clever pawn]

It looks good for normal fights, just lacking on boss fights and DoT immune targets

[dapper igloo]

Oh shit u right i completely forgot about that

[fresh fossil]

Is there a talent that allows you to gain blockbreaker?

without having the gear?

[dapper igloo]

nope

[fresh fossil]

mmm, ok

[neon ether]

Im testing new talent tree, brutal ending, revenant, shaolin last stand, see how it goes without support.

[dapper igloo]

Shaolin Last stand? 🤔

I don’t like to build on losing a hero

In survivor mode it is waste of Talent points

[dapper igloo]

His fire on tag in spam does enough dmg itself

[neon ether]

Its more like curiosity, never tried this combination, tried it with kl goro, mk11 noob and mk11 sz, kl goro has frost orb. Easily dominate enemy fx 60 diamond teams in quick battles, with revenant triggering often, shaolin last stand works well with sp2 spam on 3 bar of power.

I could see this can be annoying when people fought against team with this talent combo. Powerful comeback if ai smart enough.

[dapper igloo]

Yes 😆

[proper oak]

I only have 50 talent points where should I put them? This is what I have rn

[dapper igloo]

you only need 4 points for precision

and i suppose your tree is decent already

[tame knoll]

Precision can be 4 or 5 points

It’s good either way

[dapper igloo]

i mean, if you can get 4, why not 4?

[tame knoll]

4 is still great, but if you want to be extra careful then 5

[rustic tide]

u should probably try and get shinnoks teaching maxed

[rustic tide]

Cuz bone sheild can be clutch

[smoky sentinel]

It's trash now

The enemy can still hit you and even brutalize you

[dapper igloo]

wait, they can kill you with boneshield?

[clever pawn]

If its a finisher or brutality the animation will take priority over bone shield

[dapper igloo]

i see

[smoky sentinel]

I brutalized a lot of boneshield after the update lol

[proper oak]

Pain

I have shinnoks teaching before but I reset and put it else where

[arctic sleet]

Whats a good tree for mk11 jade, scorpion and sub0? Im mainly doing fw and tower.

[soft siren]

no dot resistance, since they will heal with dots

[arctic sleet]

I think draco plays this team so maybe i should copy him lol

[halcyon breach]

Does vpn get a ban on the account

[smoky sentinel]

No, but this is not the right channel for that

[hardy girder]

I have a really amateur tt

[smoky sentinel]

Oof, need help with it?🤣

[hardy girder]

Not really

I'm too lazy to change it

Just posted for self roast

[frank lotus]

Generally, is thunderous blows (+10% special attack 2 damage boost) or cruel affliction (+12% fire/poison/bleed DOT damage boost) more preferable?

[broken ocean]

thunderous blows

[smoky sentinel]

I prefer shirai ryu teachings

More power is always the best option

[dapper igloo]

no hawk stance? :c

[rugged sun]

I have 50 points what should I do with them lol. What would the best thing to do with them now

[sinful mulch]

Unlock all defence nodes , but the last 2 need to be shinnoks teachings and revenent .

You don’t necessarily have to upgrade the nodes prior , just buy the first level of each and then add 5 into the thing to get the next node trio unlocked

[empty dawn]

Renevant and bone shield are crucial

[rancid flare]

You don’t need those two talents in order to win games

Yes, they are good. But not mandatory/required in every talent tree

[empty dawn]

For mid game people can use the bone shield and Renevant bc it can help them get far

[rancid flare]

Bone shield is horrible now with the “nerf”, I wouldn’t spend points on that talent

Also revenant and bone shield require dozens of points to get

I would rather spend on support and offense tree

Support is like an add on to offense, cause of the free SP1/SP2’s and power cost reduction

[empty dawn]

Bone shield still op

3-5 seconds of pure immunity of any damage is really good because if you have sp1 or 2 you can use it

[rancid flare]

What’s the point of bone shield when you can be hit through it

Of course you won’t take damage, but that still will screw you up

You’re vulnerable to all kinds of effects

[empty dawn]

Getting hit is a small price to pay for using a sp2 before you die

Even if it does distract

[smoky sentinel]

You can get brutalized through boneshield

I stopped using the defense tree months ago and i have no problems winning everything

[rancid flare]

Yeah, same here

Bone shield and revenant are not needed to win in this game. You can do fine by just having a couple of decent talents in defense tree, or hell, even none at all

I only run hawk stance in the defense tree. Other than that, all my points are invested in offense and support

[signal basalt]

Umm i just started witht the tallent tree, i thought it was useless. Anyway, what shall i focus on ?

[dapper igloo]

Hawk Stance? It’s very good

Revenant is useful too

[smoky sentinel]

Follow the guide pinned

[rancid flare]

Go for support and offense. If you wanna head into defense, I recommend stalwart defense, centaurian defense, O.I.A tech, and revenant

[signal basalt]

For offense which ones ?

[rancid flare]

But for support, I usually head for free SP1. In offense, damage boosting talents such as thunderous blows and rapid response

[smoky sentinel]

Crit talents, lightning blow, deathmark...

[signal basalt]

Aight, time to grind in fw atm ||Thanks||

[smoky sentinel]

Offense is the best tree as of now

[signal basalt]

[dapper igloo]

@smoky sentinel @rancid flare I need help with my talent so I’m gonna try out using only support and offense but how do I secure the bag on not losing at all?

I was playing faction wars earlier I did good

[rancid flare]

Have a mix of playing defensively and offensively

[dapper igloo]

Survivor

[rancid flare]

You can definitely do everything without revenant, even in survivor you got it

[dapper igloo]

Because my original is offense and defense

[rancid flare]

All you need to do is to just up your defensive game a bit, since you won’t have any defensive mechanisms from the talent tree

[dapper igloo]

Because I give most of my characters healing equipment when they perform sp

[rancid flare]

There you go, that can help out

[dapper igloo]

Sometimes

Because it barely trigger

[rancid flare]

Yeah. Doing SP attacks with lots of hits would trigger pretty often though

[dapper igloo]

But I did give my most used teams that don’t have a power drainer specter inferno chains so they can power drain

[rancid flare]

Nice! I’m sure you’ll do just fine with offense and support

Support is like an add on to offense, with all the free SP’s and power cost reduction

So basically you have double offense

[dapper igloo]

But I also need srt to come back so I can fuse it up it’s at f2 so only 60% chance for it to trigger

[rancid flare]

60% is still very high

[dapper igloo]

If only they let you get 50 extra points but that’ll be too high

[rancid flare]

Yeah, then that’d be too op

[dapper igloo]

But need to know does this setup works for all teams besides spec ops

Meaning like KC team or SF team

[rancid flare]

Yes. Free SP1 will work great for Johnny cards, scorpion cards, triborg cards, and basically every card in the game

[rancid flare]

Both of those teams will excel with power cost reduction and Outworld scourge

[dapper igloo]

Yea but besides those teams

[rancid flare]

For example, mk11 team

[dapper igloo]

Yea

[rancid flare]

Scorpion SP1 being able to be spammed more often is great

Jade SP1, keep snaring the opponent

Mk11 sub, keep bleeding the opponent

[dapper igloo]

Mhmm

[rancid flare]

Another team, CoS team. Quan chi and liu kang will benefit a ton from free SP1

Along with CoS Sub, jax, and kitana

[dapper igloo]

Yea I get the gist of it

[rancid flare]

Yup. So that’s why Outworld scourge is really good. Most of the diamonds in the game have phenomenal SP1’s

Also some golds have great SP1’s

[dapper igloo]

And wpa

[rancid flare]

Yup, exactly

15% looks bad on paper but it triggers a ton. The more you use SP1, the more free SP1’s you will get. That will be clutch in survivor

[dapper igloo]

Combat veteran is very useful I recommend it. Ik you use meditation instead but combat veteran reduces a lot of critical dmg taken

[rancid flare]

Especially using Outworld scourge for a character with very high power generation. Free SP1 plus lots of power generation = power for days

[rancid flare]

And yeah, I’ll try out combat veteran one day

[dapper igloo]

Well thanks

[rancid flare]

No prob!

[split kelp]

has anyone made a chart for the best use of the talent-tree?

[rancid flare]

Check the pinned messages for different talent tree setups from the best players

#🌲-talent-tree message

Here you go. Just scroll down and you’ll find some talent trees to copy

[split kelp]

thanks, I'm not used to Discord, I didn't realize there are pinned messages

[rancid flare]

No prob!

[dapper igloo]

Talent tree

But DON’T get Bone Shield. It got nerfed to hell

[grand wharf]

Yeah, I know that. But what specifically?

[grand wharf]

Oh yeah. Never mind on the bone shield then

[dapper igloo]

Revenant

And Bone Shield is Shinnok’s Teachings

[grand wharf]

Oy. I just used a lot of coins to get something else. Gonna have to save up

[dapper igloo]

No problem

[dapper igloo]

My thing with WPA is I have to kill them 1 by 1

But I can just dmg them and get it done easy without it

[silent coyote]

@fresh fossil

[fresh fossil]

ill post the pics here

theres no slowmode

[silent coyote]

yah

[fresh fossil]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/667856256051970048/850495227176288286/image0.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/667856256051970048/850495227663876106/image1.png

wtf why isnt it load

what

[soft siren]

You're sharing links and not pictures themselves

[silent coyote]

yah

[fresh fossil]

m

ok

[soft siren]

It could be this channel's setup

[silent coyote]

yes

[fresh fossil]

there

[silent coyote]

Use defense support

[fresh fossil]

what

use support as my defense?

[silent coyote]

Don't use offense section

[dapper igloo]

Offense is better

[silent coyote]

focus on defense and support

[fresh fossil]

what about revenant and shinnoks teachings????? hello?????//

[dapper igloo]

Offense is the best defense

[silent coyote]

They died easily

[fresh fossil]

listen i dont know much about offense lol but like

[silent coyote]

so revenant can save

[dapper igloo]

Shinnok’s Teachings is horrible

Got nerfed to hell

[fresh fossil]

yeah bc of the nerf

u can still get hit

[silent coyote]

After nerf.

[fresh fossil]

yeah fr

[silent coyote]

Still u can use it

[dapper igloo]

Offense is better

[silent coyote]

max revenant and shinnok technique

[dapper igloo]

But don’t use bone shield

[fresh fossil]

iM CONFUSED

[silent coyote]

I use bone sheild eh.

[dapper igloo]

No, not Shinnok’s Technique

[fresh fossil]

do i max bone shield or not lmao

[dapper igloo]

It’s a bad talent

No

[silent coyote]

ight ight

[fresh fossil]

so i just leave it there

no max

[silent coyote]

use revnant

get horse stance

[dapper igloo]

Revenant and offense is my duo

[fresh fossil]

okay wait lmao lemme reset my talents

hol up

[silent coyote]

Spec ops techniques or?

[fresh fossil]

okay

horse stance on support?

[silent coyote]

@dapper igloo spec ops techniques is better i think.

[fresh fossil]

4% increased power gen for 10 seconds on tag in

spec ops tactic

[silent coyote]

When maxed it's 16 or 20% i think.

[fresh fossil]

20

did the math rq

[silent coyote]

that's good when u tag in.

[fresh fossil]

ye

ok so horse stance right?

[silent coyote]

yes

[fresh fossil]

ok

lemme max it

[silent coyote]

2% power gen

[fresh fossil]

not the actual talent

just unlock

so i can move on

[silent coyote]

max it.

[fresh fossil]

positive?

[silent coyote]

for increased power generation.

lemme show ya my talent tree.

[fresh fossil]

alright

wait what about iron fists

second thing

on support

or do i go with spec ops tactics?

[dapper igloo]

Teamwork is better

[fresh fossil]

eh

id either go with spec ops or iron fist

imo

69k coins lol

[dapper igloo]

You won’t be saying that when you use it, especially X-rays

[smoky sentinel]

Teamwork is better

[fresh fossil]

okay so i get that?

[smoky sentinel]

Yes

You can follow the guide pinned

[fresh fossil]

not over spec ops tactics?!

okay hol up

one point per battle lol

i havent gotten one when i restarted the tower

wtf

[dapper igloo]

You only get them on your first run

[fresh fossil]

WHAT

[dapper igloo]

Just follow the guide

[fresh fossil]

THEN ITS USELESS

WTF

[dapper igloo]

It’s not useless at all

[fresh fossil]

I MEAN LIKE

DOING IT OVER AGAIN

LOL

[dapper igloo]

You get relics

And get Shao Kahn

[fresh fossil]

what does that do lol

[dapper igloo]

I just told you

You get Shao

Read the guide

[fresh fossil]

i have shao

i am

[dapper igloo]

You fuse him

[fresh fossil]

and then...?

[dapper igloo]

What do you think? You fuse Shao Kahn

[fresh fossil]

im looking at dracos support tree

he gets stronger lol?

[dapper igloo]

Yes

[fresh fossil]

ok cool

[dapper igloo]

I have him F5 because of the tower

[fresh fossil]

okay but like what about him

[dapper igloo]

What do you mean

He gets fused

Like any other character

[fresh fossil]

yeah he gets fused when you finish all of shao kahn tower

but is that it????

i mean like cool

diamond fused

[silent coyote]

Made it bc i was on a rush changin it later.

[fresh fossil]

what im saying is its useless redoing the tower bc u get no talent points lol

ok

[dapper igloo]

No, get relics as you complete the tower. Those relics are used to summon him and get his card when the Relic Hunt comes

[silent coyote]

I used lin kuei tutorage for crit damage lmao

[dapper igloo]

The tower is about relics

[fresh fossil]

i have 86 relics lol

[dapper igloo]

I have 603

[fresh fossil]

wtf

[dapper igloo]

Because of the tower

[fresh fossil]

how many times are you able to get him then

[smoky sentinel]

You need 1300 for fx

[silent coyote]

need 96 to fuse shao kahn i think.

[fresh fossil]

when next relic hunt comes

[dapper igloo]

11, to Fx

We don’t know

[fresh fossil]

mmm

nice

okay so ill i max for support is the horse stance and teamwork right?

[silent coyote]

@dapper igloo what shall i change in my talent tree?

Idk it feels just kinda bad.

im removing bone sheild later.

[dapper igloo]

Looking good then

[fresh fossil]

@dapper igloo ur bio is very interesting.

[silent coyote]

loll

[fresh fossil]

okay but like

[silent coyote]

U don't get the joke.

[fresh fossil]

what do i get, teamwork or spec ops tactics

im so confused

yes i do

[dapper igloo]

Teamwork

[fresh fossil]

okay

[dapper igloo]

If you get the joke, tell me what it’s referencing

[fresh fossil]

and max both horse stance and teamwork

BRUH LOL

[smoky sentinel]

Just, no

[fresh fossil]

what

[smoky sentinel]

Keep the channel on topic

[fresh fossil]

ok

[silent coyote]

anyways

[dapper igloo]

They’re both good

[fresh fossil]

ok lemme max them

[silent coyote]

so if i remove bone sheild what shall i use?

[dapper igloo]

Just upgrade something else you have

[fresh fossil]

what do i get next

[silent coyote]

i didn't finish shao kahn tower yet

[fresh fossil]

on support?

[silent coyote]

Ima stuck at battle 93 i think.

[fresh fossil]

whats 93 again?

ss?

[silent coyote]

Regeneration

[fresh fossil]

ITS SO EASY LOL

[silent coyote]

Slasher jason ravenous mileena and Quan chi

[fresh fossil]

i literally speed through regeneration battles

its so easy

[dapper igloo]

Use Klassic reptile. And Rawr, get Live For Battle

[silent coyote]

jason won't die.

[fresh fossil]

okay

death mark technique

[silent coyote]

Imma clap his ass with death mark.

[fresh fossil]

ye

or noob

okay i got live for battle

what next

id say meditation right?

[silent coyote]

yes.

[fresh fossil]

alright

[silent coyote]

Also why ya usin samsung sam pfp

[fresh fossil]

bc shes hot

[dapper igloo]

Just follow the guide here

[silent coyote]

Simp detected.

[dapper igloo]

It tells you everything

[fresh fossil]

indeed

okay ill do that then

wait so after weak point attacks i dont get anything else?

bc it just ends there

@dapper igloo

[dapper igloo]

I’d use Centered

Or Outworld Scourge

[fresh fossil]

i wouldve put

yeah

outworld scourage

no power on sp1 is god

15% chance

no power

[silent coyote]

@fresh fossil also. Send ur kollection #🗡-kollection

[fresh fossil]

okay hold on

[silent coyote]

u need a team with synergy.

[fresh fossil]

and last one, lin kuei reverence

?

seems like the one thatd fit best

[rancid flare]

Not worth it

[silent coyote]

yeah

[fresh fossil]

okay, so just leave it blank?

[rancid flare]

Yes

[fresh fossil]

nothing there

alr

[silent coyote]

Go for defense section.

[fresh fossil]

defense of offense?

okay

bear stance?

[dapper igloo]

Offense

[silent coyote]

Use my defense talent tree ig

[dapper igloo]

Offense is the best defense

[fresh fossil]

jesus okay

[silent coyote]

@rancid flare which one is better offense or defense here?

Except for bone sheild.

[rancid flare]

Don’t see your offense tree pic

Can’t compare

[fresh fossil]

its up

[rancid flare]

Oh alright

[fresh fossil]

okay so i go for offense or defense?

next talent?

[rancid flare]

Need more offense

[silent coyote]

i mean for @fresh fossil

[rancid flare]

Defense if you want to live

Oh alright

Then defense

[silent coyote]

Im changing my talent tree later.

[dapper igloo]

(Once again) As Draco Said, offense is the best defense

[silent coyote]

My defense talent tree is op

[fresh fossil]

ok i go offense then

im gonna do lion stance

[dapper igloo]

He uses offense and support, and he’s doing well

[fresh fossil]

?

[silent coyote]

They don't have Mk11 scorp to spam.

[dapper igloo]

He doesn’t use only MK11 Scorpion

[silent coyote]

but it works well with him

[rancid flare]

For offense, get crit talents, thunderous blows, rapid response, and precision

[dapper igloo]

you dont need mk11 scorpion

[silent coyote]

Y'all needa watch @rancid flare scorp vid with kusarigama

[fresh fossil]

wait do i start with lion stance tho lmao

[silent coyote]

Send link of it lmao

[rancid flare]

Yes

Don’t max it

[fresh fossil]

ok

[dapper igloo]

Yeah, I’m sure defense really would have helped him shred my baby

[rancid flare]

#⚔-realm-klash message

[fresh fossil]

precision next one?

[dapper igloo]

What

That’s not the Kabal one

Heresy!

[rancid flare]

I’ll get the kabal one then

[dapper igloo]

Yes

Precision is good

[fresh fossil]

SO FAST

SO

DAMN FAST

[rancid flare]

#🏯-towers-relic-hunt message

[fresh fossil]

max precision or naw?

[rancid flare]

Yes of course

[fresh fossil]

ok

what get next? lin kuei tutorage right?

[rancid flare]

Yes

You don’t have to max that one out either, only if you want to

It’s already effective at 1 point spent

[dapper igloo]

I despise you for doing that, but I praise you for not using the Fatal Blow
You didn’t do the fatal blow, right? 👀

[fresh fossil]

okay

[rancid flare]

Well, at the end when the timer almost ran out, for extra 400k damage

[fresh fossil]

what do i do next, bd training, exposing weakness, or rapid response?

[rancid flare]

Rapid response

[dapper igloo]

Bd

[rancid flare]

Well BD would be nice if varan jacket didn’t exist lol

[fresh fossil]

uhh

[rancid flare]

You don’t want boss healing off every crit hit, it’s annoying

[fresh fossil]

so rapid response?

[rancid flare]

Yes

Rapid response and thunderous blows

[fresh fossil]

max out rapid response right?

[dapper igloo]

Yes

[fresh fossil]

3 talent points left

help

okay actually i think im good now

@silent coyote you there?

i send my kollection

[dapper igloo]

Do it in #🗡-kollection

[dapper igloo]

What’s your talent setup then?

Just told you

No I wanna see

“Everything” - Spongebob

Okay

One sec, I’ve been changing it because of boss battles

It’ll take a second, I’m in the middle of a battle

Ok

[dapper igloo]

I feel bad that y’all be doing that

Nice

[dapper igloo]

yes! another person using shaolin's last stand

Yep

It can come in handy, especially in boss battles

yep

[dapper igloo]

I was kinda thinking about using it myself

[brittle widget]

If you reset talents will you lose all the coins

[smoky sentinel]

No

[sinful mulch]

That would suck considering you can’t any more after the 100 from shaos tower

[dapper igloo]

@proven kiln @rotund adder here

[rotund adder]

@proven kiln I also have teamwork in my talent tree

and also death mark let’s you do 10% more damage each time you apply it

[proven kiln]

Bome shield trigger all the time now and could help stop death of low fused diamonds during survivor mode

[dapper igloo]

Bone shield is trash

[rotund adder]

uhh we’re talking about how offense is good and bad not defense

[proven kiln]

You have control of the match, all you gotta do is reduce the damage when they hit back

[rotund adder]

You don’t need to if they don’t get to hit you at all

[proven kiln]

Not trash

[rotund adder]

Bone shield is kinda trash

[dapper igloo]

After the nerf, it’s dogcrap

[proven kiln]

So are you trying to say that you never get hit at all 😑

[rotund adder]

Yes, but even if they do hit me they’re not gonna 1 tap me

I’ll just keep on going

[proven kiln]

Fw doesn't one tap

[rotund adder]

Then it shouldn’t really be a problem taking my opponents down with an offensive tree

In fact it’ll be easier because I’ll take them down quicker than not having one

[proven kiln]

What team are you using?

[rotund adder]

Any team works

Because offense works on any team

[proven kiln]

I didn't say that it doesn't work, i say it's not the best option

[rotund adder]

It’s the best option

Teamwork works on any team

But wpa doesn’t

[proven kiln]

Let's continue this argument tomorrow, my eyes can't take it anymore 😅@rotund adder

@dapper igloo

[rotund adder]

yeah imma go eat rn

[dapper igloo]

Uhh what just happened

Offense vs defense

I was scrolling up and messages from yesterday just got deleted

Your talent tree pic is gone @dapper igloo and my messages too

Unless it just bugged

Oh nvm I had to restart the app it came back

Mine are there

👍

I was about to say

@rotund adder what’s your talent tree?

[dapper igloo]

Question

Do y’all think Centaurian Defense is REALLY needed

?

I think it can come in handy. But it’s heavily RNG-based

Yea

It can wreck enraged and bosses too

Cause I’m kinda of think putting only 1 point in it

1 point isn’t really enough

20% at max

20 is good

I know

I have it at 20

But idk

Anyone else? Opinions

[rancid flare]

Yes

Centaurian defense is very good

It can come in clutch in dire situations

[clever pawn]

I only like centaurian defense to reflect x-rays personally

[rancid flare]

Well that’s exactly what it does lol

I’ve reflected a boss fatal blow before and it was great

Did like 500k damage to himself

[clever pawn]

Its more of a direct counter to GSEB and Kl Scorp than anything if not counting sp3

[rancid flare]

Yeah, true. Centaurian defense unfortunately puts those two just below S tier

[clever pawn]

Thing with attacks that are considered unblockable is that if its, say, a grapple it will only count the part where you are grabbed as unblockable

[rancid flare]

Also kind of a counter to BD Erron since you can make his SP1 unblockable

[dapper igloo]

Counter to all grapples, really. You name it, you can reflect it all

[rancid flare]

And that’s what makes unbridled savagery absolutely useless

[clever pawn]

Depends, grapples seem to have 2 different steps

The grab=unblockable

The damage after grab=blockable??

[rancid flare]

Very odd

If they were to change that someday, then unbridled savagery would become a pretty decent option for talent trees

[dapper igloo]

That’s why I need to know

[dapper igloo]

But barely does anything I remember Mand did a test on it

Ah, one of the wholesome MKM Youtubers for once

[rancid flare]

Yeah, right now it’s just pointless to get it

[clever pawn]

Mand proved exactly the point we are making

Even if the special is unblockable at first, it wont always count as unblockable as a whole

[dapper igloo]

Uh... I have Savagery

I should change that then

[clever pawn]

Damage from grab gets boosted, damage after the grab goes unchanged

[dapper igloo]

Yea cause the whole time I’ve had it, it barely triggered like that

[rancid flare]

Yup

[dapper igloo]

Yes that’s also useless I was thinking about when I first saw it and when Mand made that video I never used it

I mean I’ve seen it before but NEVER really looked at until after a few months after 3.0

[neon ether]

I may test unbridled savagery with kl goro sp1 and kl ermac sp2

[dapper igloo]

Ard this is my new talent tree

[lilac gull]

Ryan mongoose stance is not so great

[dapper igloo]

Why?

[lilac gull]

You already have enough regeneration, 220%

More 30 or 50 added is like nothing

[smoky sentinel]

I use it too but definitely doesn't need to be maxed

[dapper igloo]

Ard I guess

[lilac gull]

Boar stance is good if you use stun, if not better horse stance

[dapper igloo]

Thanks for the tip

[dapper igloo]

220% from going tiers up?

[lilac gull]

Yes

[dapper igloo]

Oh I never looked at

It

Ard bet

[ebon rock]

I need to set up a good talent tree

I got like 52 talent token

So what should I do with them

[dapper igloo]

First complete the whole Shao Kahn tower first then worry about using the tokens

[sinful mulch]

No, bad advice

First, activate all the defence tiers and max the revenent and shinnoks teachings.

[dapper igloo]

Shinnoks teachings is the worst talent atm

So no that’s not bad advice

And they could just check the guide pinned

Here @ebon rock when you finish Shao Kahn tower check out theses https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTJ1lkd3INKCw2QBJ_TbEMCJDu25NDJEaaX-s_Ckt_Sd_0lZX1m711VML76cH-6kBPHSO2vrt8I9Bmb/pub

[sinful mulch]

It is 100 percent bad advice to say not to bother with the talent tree until tower is beaten

to beat the tower your gonna gave To have a pretty good team. So for a beginner that won’t happen for months . Bone and revenent are useful, even if you think it’s worse now.

And even if you don’t max any talents it gives you health boosts and damage boosts

[dapper igloo]

Whatever bruh just let them do what they want to do

[clever pawn]

Bone is pretty damn terrible now and thats too much of a fact to even be discussed

[dapper igloo]

Exactly thanks for the back up

[ebon rock]

Ok so no bone or what

[smoky sentinel]

No bone

[sinful mulch]

Bone being good or bad doesn’t change the fact that you shouldn’t ignore spending talent points until you’ve beaten the tower

[dapper igloo]

That’s not the topic right now the topic is if they should get bone shield or not and I said not

[vale latch]

Doesn't it save you from dying?

[clever pawn]

It used to be on par/better than revenant

Now not so much, you can get brutalized through it and it doesnt stop enemy attacks either

[vale latch]

It stops my attacks though..

[sinful mulch]

it stops the damage from the attacks tho

which has literally saved my ass hundreds of times within 2 weeks

[honest belfry]

So shoalin any better?

[clever pawn]

you could just spend the points on offense or support, shaolin isnt advisable either

[elder tusk]

Playing around with talent tree any thoughts appreciated

[dapper igloo]

Imo I like teamwork better an it really goes with horse stance but that’s up to you and combat veteran is a really good talent it reduces a lot of critical hits damage especially people like CoS Liu Kang and crit dmg boost passives

And keep precision at 4/5

And critical dmg could be at 1 but that don’t matter really maxed is good

I would say get outworld scourge

But overall good talent

[elder tusk]

Yeah I am looking outworld scourge, gonna try this for a week or so see how it plays

[stuck geyser]

Thoughts on this talent setup

[elder tusk]

Personally I would go all the way on offense for death mark and lightning blow over thunderous blow

3% basic attack boost just isn't worth it for me also

[clever pawn]

lightning blow isnt even in the same tier as thunderous blows

[hollow narwhal]

i maxed out presicion is that good?

[dapper igloo]

4/5 at best

[hollow narwhal]

im thinking of getting brutal ending

[dapper igloo]

Go for it if you use brutality equipment a lot on diamond characters

[hollow narwhal]

i only got 1 diamond so thats a hell nah

[dapper igloo]

But if you BARELY do get death mark

Death mark disables all resurrections so that pretty useful

Or check the guide pinned

[hollow narwhal]

ohhh k

[dapper igloo]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTJ1lkd3INKCw2QBJ_TbEMCJDu25NDJEaaX-s_Ckt_Sd_0lZX1m711VML76cH-6kBPHSO2vrt8I9Bmb/pub

@hollow narwhal

[hollow narwhal]

alr

[clever pawn]

You use it maxed on less characters than you would think

[scarlet ingot]

What should i take in Offence: Rapid Response or Black Dragon Training?

[clever pawn]

black dragon

[scarlet ingot]

And what can you say about Warlock's spell in Support?

[smoky sentinel]

Useless

Even if...

It would be a good talent with shang and viper hood

[scarlet ingot]

So i spend the rest of talents on Stalwart Defense... Or maybe smth from Offense (5th column)

[smoky sentinel]

You can follow the guide pinned

[scarlet ingot]

Oh, Shirai Ryu Teachings

[dapper igloo]

precision or gambler?

[smoky sentinel]

Precision, at least 4 points on it

[dapper igloo]

ok thanks

[dapper igloo]

is death mark technique good?

[narrow olive]

Yeah

[dapper igloo]

also should i max out art of the tsunami or just 1 point in it?

[narrow olive]

Thunderous blow

[dapper igloo]

i have that maxed, art of the tsunami is on the next section thing

[narrow olive]

Lightening blow

Idk why I always get confused in that lol

[dapper igloo]

lmfao but my main team has mk11 scorp who already cripples on sp1 so the only difference would be a small chance for disabling x rays

if that makes sense

[smoky sentinel]

Deathmark is one of those max-It-or-It's-useless talents

Same for lightning blow

[dapper igloo]

draco should i use art of the tsunami or lightning blow?

i think tsunami since i can already cripple with my skarlet and scorpion

[narrow olive]

He too will recommend maxing lightening blow

Check his tree in pinned

[smoky sentinel]

Lightning blow

15% to cripple everything on sp1 for 5 seconds, even xrays, and even if blocked

[dapper igloo]

draco can i see your talent tree

[smoky sentinel]

It's featured in the guide pinned

[narrow olive]

Pinned😑

[dapper igloo]

ok my fault lol

[narrow olive]

Not only his but all mods with their purpose so choose the one you feel would suit you

And few more apart from mods

[dapper igloo]

ok thanks

[ocean vine]

What is the best talent tree for black dragon tower?

[dapper igloo]

Any thing that fits

[crisp axle]

matters what characters you play the most, if you play mk11 scorpion like i do you’ll put the points in the #% fire and bleed boost

i dont remember how its exactly called

[dapper igloo]

You don’t need dot boost because his fire does enough dmg

Use like critical talent points or sp1 and 2 dmg boost

[dapper igloo]

Tbh it don’t really matter use anything from the pinned guide

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTJ1lkd3INKCw2QBJ_TbEMCJDu25NDJEaaX-s_Ckt_Sd_0lZX1m711VML76cH-6kBPHSO2vrt8I9Bmb/pub

[ocean vine]

Oh

[dapper igloo]

Some people use offense and support

Others use defense and offense

And I use defense and support but for offense use precision 4/5

[glass talon]

Is bone shield good or should I just max revenant and go to offence?

[clever pawn]

Just use revenant, bone shield is not too great now

[broken ocean]

bone shield unfortunately isn’t really like before now

use revenant

[smoky sentinel]

Or just ignore the defense tree and max the attack tree

[glass talon]

Ah ic

Ok thx

[summer tinsel]

What should I put in?

I deserted cuz I had done rubbish takers

@smoky sentinel sorry for the ping but what should I put in

Keep in mind I only have 28 talent points

[smoky sentinel]

Get precision, at least 4 points on it

Then max hawk stance

[summer tinsel]

4 points to defence?

[smoky sentinel]

Precision is the second talent in attack

[summer tinsel]

Ah alr

[summer tinsel]

What first then?

[summer tinsel]

What should I do first then? Lion stance ?