🌲-talent-tree

[dapper igloo]

Fujins boom

or cyber lin kuei programmming

[sharp jay]

Cyber lin kuei

[dapper igloo]

Finnaly

maxed out revenant

[sharp jay]

Its very op if you put the enemy on blind they stun and also you bleed them they stun too lol

[dapper igloo]

wut

?

cyber lin kuei is decreased dot duration

[crystal jewel]

is lightning blow good?

I havent used it

[smoky sentinel]

Yes

Almost a must for a sp1 setup

[crystal jewel]

it does special 1

rlly

[smoky sentinel]

15% chance to cripple the whole enemy team for 5s on sp1 ( Xray too)

[crystal jewel]

15% wow

I put exposing weakness is good for strangehold

[smoky sentinel]

I use black dragon training and shirai ryu teachings, extreme power gen for scorp

[crystal jewel]

holy

moly

is strange hold good for cruel affliction with exposing weakness

[smoky sentinel]

I don't remember what they do honestly 😂

Something with dots right?

[crystal jewel]

right with dots

assassin skarlet ravenous mileena and mk11 scorp

[smoky sentinel]

They may be good, but i prefer crit

[crystal jewel]

bleed fire posion

[smoky sentinel]

It works with everyone

[crystal jewel]

why?

is the crit even good?

[smoky sentinel]

Well, yes

Critical hits deal 2x damage

[crystal jewel]

yeah dot will be helpful

[smoky sentinel]

And no one can heal with crits

[crystal jewel]

it heals fire

[smoky sentinel]

Skarlet with the vial can heal on bleeds, mk11 jade can heal the whole team with dots, and dark raiden can heal too

[crystal jewel]

is hawk stance good or keep it?

[smoky sentinel]

Hawk stance is good, but i prefer stalwart defense

Lethal hits are not so common, crits are

[crystal jewel]

Oh I put reaver's armor wrong sorry

I accidentally put reaver armor wrong one instead stalwart defense

which one should I remove reaver or stalwart

[smoky sentinel]

Stalwart is better imo

[crystal jewel]

I can do that

yea Stalwart is good

is stalwart good?

[smoky sentinel]

Yes

[crystal jewel]

I can change to that

Hawk stance is helping me to win

[dapper igloo]

Jade

[languid tinsel]

You good dude

[frail otter]

1.5

[clever pawn]

Main reason why I was looking forward to crit damage equip, to make crits make more sense

It feels odd that crits aren't 200% dmg by default

[sharp plover]

Rebuilding tree again, but I can decide on rapid response or black dragon training

[dapper igloo]

I have rapid response

[broken ocean]

if anyone needs an attack and defense talent tree, i can show it here

just tag me and ask me and i'll show my talent tree that i use

you can take it from me

[slim plover]

@broken ocean what's up)

[broken ocean]

i'll show it then give me a sec

i'm doing fine btw

this is the talent tree that i use, very useful for damage and defense

[slim plover]

omg, I checked I use the same skills as you

thx for sharing tho

[wooden egret]

How do u get bone shield

[dapper igloo]

Talent tree

[wooden egret]

Wdym

[dapper igloo]

Defense tree

[wooden egret]

Where

Ok

[dapper igloo]

It’s called

Shinnoks Teachings

[wooden egret]

Ok

[frail otter]

I dont know why people like ghost armor

i feel OIA tech is much better

[clever pawn]

Idk, meme picks

I've encountered people running shaoling stand before so am not even suprised anymore

[dapper igloo]

I used to run it but then I learn how to get bone shield so I changed it

[proven schooner]

OIA is better to me as well teamwork is killer as well

[clever pawn]

Wish I remembered what I was running at first, there were a few picks that made 0 sense even at that time

[dapper igloo]

Use what fits your play style

[clever pawn]

Even by that logic they were really bad picks, cant even remember them now

[frail otter]

shaolin stand is not a meme pick, just a worse pick generally

[clever pawn]

Aka meme pick

[solar river]

We can only kollect 100 talent points, right?

[smoky sentinel]

Yes

[ivory bane]

Btw which is the most mportant at the talen tree (offense-defense-support)

[smoky sentinel]

Personal preference

Some use defense and don't care about offense, others use only offense and don't care about defense

[ivory bane]

Then i will max out my defense first

İs this good?

[smoky sentinel]

Shinnok's teachings should be maxed

[ivory bane]

Yea ı know i dont have enough talent points

Also i will change my centurian defense which one should i choose?

[smoky sentinel]

Remove a point from something else

[smoky sentinel]

Imo it's the best option

[ivory bane]

Whats Imo?

[smoky sentinel]

In my opinion

[ivory bane]

Centurian defense?

[smoky sentinel]

Centaurian defense is the best option

[ivory bane]

Ok then it will stay there i will wait for tomorrow i will get 3 points 1 for shinnoks teachings 2 for oia tech

For you is there anything that i should change?

[smoky sentinel]

Hawk stance > Bear stance

[ivory bane]

Ok

[frail otter]

Centurian Defence is a more highroll kind of talent. If you wish for more reliable talent use Shokan Dominance.

[lilac gull]

3 points is enough for OIA tech, have 3 points also for Cyber Lin kuei programming
But if you ask me, I prefer 5 points for Stalwart, 1 for OIA tech and 1 for Cyber Lin kuei programming

[smoky sentinel]

@sudden bone #🏯-towers-relic-hunt

[sudden bone]

Oh sorry

[paper anchor]

@smoky sentinel what does gambler work for? I mean I used it I don’t see any change

[smoky sentinel]

It's useless

[paper anchor]

I mean what’s that 12%

Damage or what

[smoky sentinel]

Should give x% extra on minigames, but you can reach 100% anyway

[paper anchor]

So if I get 50 I would get 62

Thats crap

[smoky sentinel]

And also sometimes you don't want 90%+ like mk11 characters against terminator

[smoky sentinel]

Basically, yes

[paper anchor]

Draco

Is it normal I have 102?

[smoky sentinel]

Yes

Check the pinned message

[paper anchor]

Oh I thought I would be 100

Thx

[smoky sentinel]

100 for new players

Old players can have more

[paper anchor]

Only those 2?

Good good

[frail otter]

Havent I alr told you that you are wrong?

[frail otter]

Don't listen to him. Gambler is a great talent that boost damage for your specials

[languid tinsel]

No

[smoky sentinel]

Still useless, precision is the best option

And always will be

No need to bring that up again

[frail otter]

but you are telling people the wrong information

again

after I have corrected you

[clever pawn]

Picking gambler is a terrible idea

[frail otter]

The usual precision cult people

I dont take people who cant listen even when facts are presented seriously

[clever pawn]

And I dont argue with walls

[languid tinsel]

fact is gambler bad precision good

[frail otter]

I dont care if anyone thinks precision is better or whatnot

those are opinions

i only care that I have told him that gambler does not work that way

but he is still telling the wrong information to others

gambler bad is an opinion

gambler does not work like that is a fact

you can give opinions

[languid tinsel]

So you would pick gambler over precision

[frail otter]

but you cant give other people the wrong fact

[frail otter]

I have been doing that for a long time

[frail otter]

and thats not even the main point

the main point is he is spreading wrong information as a mod

after been corrected before

[languid tinsel]

I’m too tired for this

Don’t you have something better to do

[smoky sentinel]

The old forums say that i'm right tho

[frail otter]

and i gave you pictures proving you are wrong

[smoky sentinel]

So who's spreading false infos here?

[frail otter]

from the newest version of the game

[smoky sentinel]

The talent are still the same

[frail otter]

why dont you see it for your self?

[smoky sentinel]

Not worth trying

[frail otter]

24 souls isnt too much to spare

you are giving people wrong information

there's no "not worth trying"

it is your responsibility as a mod

[languid tinsel]

._.

[frail otter]

you can try it if you dont believe me, just maybe stop defending him blindly

[languid tinsel]

I’m not blind

I have talent tree

[frail otter]

and have you tried to see if gambler works the way he said it does?

[languid tinsel]

I use precision

[frail otter]

or do you not even know what is been argued here?

so you dont even know what we are arguing about

[languid tinsel]

I know how gambler works for the most part

But still

This is getting dry

[reef hazel]

As someone who has played with both gambler and precision, gambler is the worse of the two....gambler only really helps a small portion of sps, while precision helps practically every character...

[frail otter]

gambler helps every sp that has a mini-game, i dont know what you are talking about

[reef hazel]

Because most of the mini games you can easily get 100% anyways

[frail otter]

I see you are getting the effect of Gambler wrong too

Mini game gives your sp a bonus damage

Gambler boosts that damage

it does not care what numbers you hit with your minigame

[reef hazel]

You can't get more than the max damage of the sps
Gambler boosts your sp mini game score, not the damage directly

[frail otter]

no thats not it

[reef hazel]

I think you are the one confused
The damage caused by your special attack is directly correlated to your mini game score
Gambler adds a bonus to your mini game score, which makes it seem like gambler is affecting your damage directly, but it's not
Gambler will not let you have a mini game score higher than 100% so there is no point to having it if you constantly hit 100% on the mini game

[frail otter]

this picture is here

[frail otter]

i have taken the photo of the exact same sp with and without gambler

Gambler has work this way since the start of TT

but people are still getting the effect wrong

[dapper igloo]

@robust elm I can’t be certain but I think Rhyes challenged everyone in the Server to a Duel concurrently. I think we can win.

🙃😂🤪

@languid tinsel

[robust elm]

Hmm

[smoky sentinel]

Back on topic.

[dapper igloo]

Rhyes, I was just kidding. I had commented about how I liked your post the other day describing yourself. @languid tinsel

[languid tinsel]

😳

[ember zinc]

What’s best tree

[frail otter]

Apple

[glossy palm]

😁

[glossy palm]

you should first go with defense to get revenant and bone shield

[reef hazel]

In the pinned section there is a guide with a few base models you can read, and pick the best one

[crystal jewel]

is this better?

[smoky sentinel]

I'd max shirai ryu teachings

[crystal jewel]

I can't

[smoky sentinel]

10% extra power on critical hits

[crystal jewel]

hawk stance frostbite

[smoky sentinel]

remove some points from lin kuei tutorage

[crystal jewel]

why tho

[smoky sentinel]

Because more power gen is always better

[crystal jewel]

ok sorry

I put it wrong one

I put shirai ryu teaching max?

[smoky sentinel]

Yeah

You won't regret it

[crystal jewel]

Ok

[smoky sentinel]

Bdt and srt are awesome together

[crystal jewel]

Shirai ryu teachings?

bc the power gen is good for towers?

when you hit by the crit?

[smoky sentinel]

Is good for every gamemode

Bdt gives more crit chance, and srt gives more power on crits

[crystal jewel]

Ok ok I can give it a try

fine ok

Already maxed it

which one lightning blow or unbridled savagery?

[smoky sentinel]

Lightning blow

[crystal jewel]

lightning blow?

[smoky sentinel]

It can cripple xray too

Maxed has 15% chance on sp1

[crystal jewel]

I use it for brutal ending is useful

[crystal jewel]

is this good

[smoky sentinel]

Yeah

[crystal jewel]

is shaolin last stand good draco?

[smoky sentinel]

Shinnok's teachings is better...

Boneshield is a game changer

[crystal jewel]

when they take 1 people out

its unblockable

[smoky sentinel]

You don't want to die, you want to survive, that's the main goal of the game 😂

[clever pawn]

Not under any circustmance that I can think of, bone shield is overall more consistent

[crystal jewel]

X-Ray maintain goal

bc warlock quan chi want to die

shaolin last stand and gives 1 bar

[smoky sentinel]

Still, bone shield is better

[crystal jewel]

yeah I know

Hawk stance is good tho

for debuff

it debuffs freeze resisted

is this better?

[smoky sentinel]

At rank 1, try OIA tech instead of ghost armor

[crystal jewel]

whats OIA tech do?

[clever pawn]

Reduced power drain on yourself

[crystal jewel]

oh ok

ty @clever pawn

thanks for the info

The OIA tech good?

[clever pawn]

Yeah, at rank 1 its the better option

[smoky sentinel]

Yes

[crystal jewel]

Yeah IMO

agree

which is better brutal ending or deathmark

[dapper igloo]

Brutal ending if you have brutality gear. If you don’t, death mark is useful

[smoky sentinel]

Brutal ending doesn't work if you don't have brutalities

[clever pawn]

Depends on how much you use diamond kards

[smoky sentinel]

If you have them, go for brutal ending

[crystal jewel]

I have liu kang and scorp brutality gears

[clever pawn]

And their respective brutality gears

[smoky sentinel]

Even at f0 you can just use them to brutalize bosses

[crystal jewel]

yes right I have it

it reduced to -20 power drain to the characters?

[smoky sentinel]

Yes

[crystal jewel]

I can try that

thanks for the suggest Draco

Hawk stance is helping me to win the game

with dots crippled and curse and bleed and frostbite and poison

fire slow

[ember zinc]

Lol I have 102

[valid rampart]

I will have only 100

[scarlet yew]

can someone show me the best talent tree in general

[smoky sentinel]

There is no such thing, you can check the pinned guide to find the one that suits you more

[scarlet yew]

can u show me ur talent tree?

pls

[smoky sentinel]

It's in the guide 😉

[scarlet yew]

i can t find it

[smoky sentinel]

Pinned message

[scarlet yew]

i find it

tks

[hoary zinc]

Guys , is this good for hitting player like jade and Jason?

If we be master in it

[smoky sentinel]

Wrong talent?

That one remove dots, i don't see how it can help against jade and jason

[hoary zinc]

Which one will be good bro

[smoky sentinel]

Deathmark will stop resurrections

[hoary zinc]

I mean diamond Jason

[smoky sentinel]

Only a bd team with kabal can safely do special attacks against them

[hoary zinc]

When i use my special attack , he goes and hit me in back and my special attack dosent work

Bd team?

Any suggestion bro

??

I have problem in kw tower because of Jason diamond card

I cant do my sp attack

[hoary zinc]

Bro could you please help me and guide me?

[smoky sentinel]

Bd kabal can do stealth combo enders and special attacks, so assassin jade and nightmare jason can't evade

If you don't have him... don't do special attacks and/or combo enders

[hoary zinc]

Ok bro thanks

[left lodge]

Anyone wanna explain to me how to get the most out of the bone shield ?

Cuz it seems to me that after it triggers it’s already my turn to attack and it’s just pointless, unless it triggered while I’m stunned or frozen

[clever pawn]

It mostly activates on multi hit specials, personally I use it to get a free opening, like letting the enemy hit the shield and then start my combo

[sturdy flare]

I have seen some videos on youtube where players use their sp2 and are still left with 1 bar of power. What talent is it or is it something else?

[hardy girder]

some FX equipments like Soul Medallion, Rusty Chainsaw

[sturdy flare]

I have bloody voodo doll with same FX ability. But there won't be any power left after sp2 usage.

Even soul elixr

[real shoal]

Bloody voodo doll doesnt have that ability, u must have fx soul medalion or fx rusty chainshaw or fx jonny tatoo..it will give 50%discount on sp2 use

[dapper igloo]

@hoary zinc key against ass jade and Jason is doing sp between your basic attack when they are in awkward position but it depends on your luck

[frank vector]

@dapper igloo 👍

[dapper igloo]

@hoary zinc do you have dark raiden?

[hoary zinc]

Yes i have

F6

[hoary zinc]

Yes i have f6

[dapper igloo]

@hoary zinc then use him against jason. He can keep attacking without your opponent can do anything as long as you do it to the far rigth as possible in the arena/Field/battleground

[hoary zinc]

He regenerate bro and my dark raiden not so strong level 50 and f6

And i cant do sp attack

[dapper igloo]

@hoary zinc what level is the fight?

[hoary zinc]

119

[dapper igloo]

No good equipment?

[hoary zinc]

I have some

[dapper igloo]

Then upgrade his basic attack and the same in talent tree to max his damage. It takes some time to beat tour opponent in that way with Dark raiden, but as I was saying. Your opponent cant do anything at all when you use dark raiden as I told you👍

[rotund adder]

is spec ops tactics or teamwork better?

[smoky sentinel]

Teamwork

[rotund adder]

ok thanks

[wooden egret]

@broken ocean show ur offense

[broken ocean]

@wooden egret

[wooden egret]

Nice

[rancid flare]

Just need some help deciding if I should get this talent or not. What do you guys think of the talent shirai ryu teachings in the offense tree? It gives 10% more power upon critical hit impact, do you guys think it’s worth it?

[clever pawn]

If you are running full crits its ok

[rancid flare]

Yeah that’s what I do, I like to get black dragon training and put critical hit equipments on my cards. Thanks

[crystal jewel]

is art of the tsunami good

[smoky sentinel]

Lightning blow is better imo

[crystal jewel]

really?

[smoky sentinel]

Yes

[crystal jewel]

oh ok

[smoky sentinel]

Cripple on sp1 for everyone

[crystal jewel]

oh

really it cripples to xray and fatal blows?

it does sp1 cripple?

I like hawk stance and shirai ryu teachings

[smoky sentinel]

Yes

15% chance to cripple every special on sp1 for 5s

[crystal jewel]

ok

its 15% chance to a special

[smoky sentinel]

15% on sp1

[crystal jewel]

bc kw skarlet sp2 heals

I tried to block it

it crits and it gets more power gen?

for shirai ryu teachings?

[smoky sentinel]

Yes

[crystal jewel]

oh ok

[river marsh]

Here is the talent tree I will try in about an hour for kwt 160.

@ivory bane

[river marsh]

@dapper igloo 👆

[dapper igloo]

With what characters

I only have asasin kitana clasic ermac and grandmaster subzero

[river marsh]

I would use your strongest, a snare, and a power drainer.

Luckily, my strongest is a snare, cos Liu Kang. I also use kombat kup Johnny Cage and Balanced Kenshi.

[sullen knot]

Oops. That's my previous one.

This is the Talent Tree arrangement I'm using for KWT in particular. @tacit kindle

[smoky sentinel]

Always use precision

At least rank 4

[ivory bane]

Hi guys i maxed out my defense 2 days ago i have 6 talent points (which is the best way to go trough the offense?)

[smoky sentinel]

Check the guide pinned in this channel

[sullen knot]

I'd go with Tiger Stance maxed. You could also just get the bonus attack by buying the tier.

@smoky sentinel I used to go with Precision almost every arrangement, but with all the additional freeze and stun capabilities of the newer Special Tower Event equipment, I find that using the "Opportunist" talent to inflict +50% damage to opponents in those vulnerable states, helps to maximize effectiveness against them in kombat.

[smoky sentinel]

Precision is ALWAYS the best option

More combo enders = more damage

[sullen knot]

Also, I find that without "Precision", my teams still get plenty combo enders in.

[smoky sentinel]

"Plenty" is not 100%

[sullen knot]

That talent doesn't offer 100%.

[smoky sentinel]

With precision, you get 100% combo ender chance

Only few characters need it maxed, r4 is enough for most of them

[sullen knot]

Are you sure it's 100%?

[smoky sentinel]

25% extra chance at r4

[sullen knot]

What about maxed?

[smoky sentinel]

30%

As i said, only few characters need it maxed

[sullen knot]

Yeah. Too often, with the likes of the Jade variants and the new auto mode, that gets dangerous, having that much greater likelihood of combo enders.

[smoky sentinel]

You can just cancel it

[sullen knot]

Not during auto.

[smoky sentinel]

You don't remove an important talent only because of one character

[smoky sentinel]

Who cares about auto

If there's assassin jade, play normally

[sullen knot]

It's not that necessary for me. As I have said, I've used it a great deal in the recent past. The only thing vexing me rn, with my Talent Tree arrangement is the lack of the Brutality talent.

[smoky sentinel]

Without precision you don't get combo enders, and without combo enders you don't get special combo enders

No special combo ender= no brutality

[sullen knot]

Surely you get combo enders w/o that talent. I haven't really noticed much difference w/o it. Now, if I did have the Brutality talent active and I saw opportunities for Brutalities failing to occur, then "Precision" it will be.

[smoky sentinel]

Without: around 70%

[sullen knot]

Right now, the Brutality from the equipment sets are pretty much only good for boosting Power.

[smoky sentinel]

With it: 100%

[sullen knot]

Around 70% isn't definite.

It's just not that important to an advanced player like myself, I'm afraid.

[smoky sentinel]

Ask any other veteran, they'll say that it's always the best option

[sullen knot]

Times change. Equipment and new characters with new abilities means rethinking strategy is quite necessary.

[smoky sentinel]

Combo enders will never change

[sullen knot]

They initiate quite satisfactorily for me w/o enhancers.

Test it out for yourself, and you'll see.

[smoky sentinel]

Actually, i have it rank 4 and i'm not satisfied, so i was thinking to max it

[sullen knot]

Please do so. That way you'll see that it's not 100%.

[smoky sentinel]

Also the other options are trash so no need for me to change it

[sullen knot]

I used to choose the mini-game enhancing one. Now, I no longer need it. Things change.

Do the most damage while you can: frozen or stunned enemy? Kick them while they're down!

That includes every hit, not just the finale, aka the combo ender, sir.

[smoky sentinel]

Combo enders= more damage

Also the damage against frozen or stunned enemies is highly situational, while combo enders works well in every fight

[sullen knot]

That Opportunist talent of +50% equals more damage.

[smoky sentinel]

Still not worth it imo

[sullen knot]

The new Tower equipment makes it more certain to freeze or stun an opponent, as I have aforesaid.

[smoky sentinel]

The tower will end

[sullen knot]

The equipment will not.

[smoky sentinel]

Combo enders are forever

[sullen knot]

Equipment too.

[smoky sentinel]

I suggest to chill now

[sullen knot]

Lol

You do that.

Lead by example.

[smoky sentinel]

I am chill, and you shouldn't try to to what you did again

Just keep it civil

[sullen knot]

I didn't actually curse at you, sir. That was me who typed those random characters.

Did you understand the sarcasm?

[smoky sentinel]

Stop

[sullen knot]

Let's

[sullen knot]

Check the guide pinned in this channel
@smoky sentinel There's no guide pinned to this channel.

[smoky sentinel]

What is this then?

[sullen knot]

? You being cryptic?

I know, right? There's nothing, nothing pinned to this channel.

(sighs)

Why would there even be any Talent Tree pinnings here, when obviously, the arrangements are up to each singular individual's own personal tastes?

[smoky sentinel]

It's a guide, it's used to guide other players to their best combination of talents

That's exactly what "Guide" means

[sullen knot]

It's not pinned.

[smoky sentinel]

It is

There are 2 pinned messages

[sullen knot]

Nope

[smoky sentinel]

If you can't see them, i suggest to contact discord support or to restart the app

Because literally everyone else can see them

[sullen knot]

Nada

Still, why on earth would there be a guide? It's already laid out intuitively. The only sensible "guides" would be player's postings, demonstrating and perhaps explaining their choices. There is no de facto Talent Tree arrangement.

[hardy girder]

Just open the guide and see what is in there. There are only recommendations and how they work, nothing about "de facto" you said

[sullen knot]

It's true, I'm not seeing them. But, still, I posted my talent tree for a specific person who "spoke" about his difficulty in progressing from "15". Wherein I should "correct" my Talent Tree by choosing "precision" instead of what I have, should not have been virtually insisted upon me by you know whom. Butt out, and let the players speak to one another. Don't be dogmatic. That's all.

[hardy girder]

Yes, I understand.

[smoky sentinel]

It was a civil discussion, i was just explaining WHY it's the best option since there are also other players here who can read the channel

[hardy girder]

Sometimes, let others choose what they deem helpful on themselves

[smoky sentinel]

Indeed everyone is free to do what they want

[sullen knot]

Yeah. But in addition to your insistence, you became overly emotional, imo, and began using your position as a moderator to silence me and further your opinions.

[smoky sentinel]

You know what you did, don't try to play around

[hardy girder]

Well,,,, it kinda started with Draco being too insistent

[smoky sentinel]

Yeah, that's my fault

[sullen knot]

I jokingly said you stubborn '@*"@'"' Anyone else would have gotten a belly laugh out of that.

[smoky sentinel]

But no need to start swearing, even if you try to avoid the filter with symbols

[hardy girder]

So, let's move on

[sullen knot]

I already told you. I randomly typed those symbols, don't try to play around.

[ember zinc]

Draco what characters is the talent set that you made good with

I have 102 talent points

@smoky sentinel what should I spend the 2 points on

[lilac gull]

On Oportunist
Especially if you are a new player, you don't have cards that stun or freeze and no tower gears either 😂😂😂

[ember zinc]

You can’t have opper when you have presision

[dapper igloo]

Guys did u pas lvl 60

[ivory bane]

What shao kahn tower?

[sullen knot]

With 102 talent points, he's senior, sa

[dapper igloo]

No cold tower

[smoky sentinel]

@ember zinc both on lightning blow

[manic basin]

Deathmark or weak points? Thinking about changing up my talent tree. I forget which one is the power drain has chance to snare.

[smoky sentinel]

Deathmark prevents resurrections and gives extra damage

Weak point attacks gives snare on powerdrain

[manic basin]

I have deathmark. But I've seen a lot of people using weak points for the tower. Just curious if I should change for more support than offense.

[smoky sentinel]

Just use both as i do

I have brutal ending and wpa

[manic basin]

I would have to get rid of revenant and shinnok teachings then... I believe. Those have saved me countless times.

[smoky sentinel]

I don't use them and i'm fine

[manic basin]

I'm not as good a player as you. Lol 😆

[smoky sentinel]

Best defense is offense lol

[manic basin]

I'm assuming you have quite a collection of maxed characters and equipment? I only have a select few. Missed the past two years playing Mobile.

[smoky sentinel]

I have 6 golds maxed

I always used a low fusion mk11 team for towers

[manic basin]

🤔

[smoky sentinel]

Scorp was f1 in srt, f3 in NT, and f5 in KWT (first runs)

Never used defense tree, i used deathmark even before 3.0

[manic basin]

I must be doing something wrong then cuz I have some maxed diamonds and gold's and still have trouble with the tower. I'm just now about to beat 160 for the first time. And other people have beat the whole tower 3x by now.

[smoky sentinel]

I'll reach 183 fifth run in few hours

[manic basin]

I'll change my talents and see how it goes. Thanks for the advice.

[smoky sentinel]

If you're interested my TT is featured in the guide pinned

[sharp plover]

I know there is a pinned guide, but I can't figure out why Red Dragon Training is better than Cyber LK Programming ?

4% vs 30% DOT reduction.
You would assume CLKP is better right ?

If that's the case, why are so many people recommending RDT ?

[reef hazel]

Getting stunned allows you to get hit many times by an opponent, and is more likely to kill you in the long run
Personally I don't really use defense tree but that's why I might choose Red Dragon Training

[sharp plover]

Ah OK, I haven't ran into that problem yet.
I've got Kabal to remove stun or I am using KC team.
No wonder I haven't found the need for it yet.

[lilac gull]

The talent tree can be set for general use or for a very specific use, dictate by the characters someone has or challenge.
Because there are so many possibilities there are also many choices for setting TT.

[quiet current]

Im so confused I just never noticed the talent tree button, last night I was tapping on my kollection and my finger slipped, lmao now im confused as to what the talent tree is.

[clever pawn]

Its a skill tree but with slightly different wording, you can unlock perks that will help you in every mode, like additional critical chance or debuff resistance

[broken ocean]

the talent tree has 3 main trees that are: offence, defence and support. Logically it all depends on you if you want to improve your attack, defense or health. Each tree has its own abilities and they’ll help gameplay alot

for those trees, you need talent points. You can get talent points from the shao kahn tower

and i can show you my talent tree btw, you can just take mine

[quiet current]

Ok thx

[elfin vortex]

What is a good talent for block breaker?

[clever pawn]

Am not sure what you are looking for here

There are no talents that increase your block break chance, only resist and extra damage on unblockables

[elfin vortex]

What is a good general talent tree for the Kold war tower?

[smoky sentinel]

You want more offense to kill bosses faster, you can check the pinned guide if you need some ideas

[broken ocean]

focus on your offense mostly, for extra talent points you can use it on defence

[pulsar bronze]

i focused on defense most because i wanted to get resistance to debuffs, bone shield and revenant

[broken ocean]

exactly i use those too

for bosses, go for offense the most

cruel affliction won’t work there so choose a different talent

[wise basin]

Is bear stance good

[smoky sentinel]

Hawk stance is better

[elfin vortex]

So Azzet ; do a defense tree rather than offense for Kold war?

[broken ocean]

do offense

[quiet current]

Anyone got a balanced equal talent tree starting with bear stance?

[clever pawn]

Not personally, Id have to reset my talent tree twice to do that, the first time to get bear stance and the second to go back

[quiet current]

not you exactly, but like ideas. Not screenshots necessarily

[reef hazel]

I don't know if you'll find many players who run bear stance...hawk stance and even rhino stance are better starting talents, but if you do want to run bear stance you should focus probably on maxing the defense tree and or support....
Going to precision and having at least 4 points is useful too

[elfin vortex]

What are the best characters for Kold War tower overall?

[dapper igloo]

You should ask that in #🏯-towers-relic-hunt

[ivory bane]

Guys which is better in offense :
Black dragon training
Or
Rapid response

[lilac gull]

Imo black dragon training, together with Lin kuei tutorage

[smoky sentinel]

And shirai ryu teachings

[broken ocean]

black dragon

[ivory bane]

Ok

Thankz

[elfin vortex]

Would it be a good idea to unlock all of offense and support talent tiers and skip the defense talents altogether?

[viral gale]

if you have offense and defense with 100 talent points u should distribute them evenly

This is my tree it seems to work in every mode pretty well for me

[elfin vortex]

Would it work well in Kold War tower?

[clever pawn]

Seeing as how he isnt running hawk stance on that tree, I wouldnt advice it

[dapper igloo]

I think OIA tech is better though instead of art of the shied

[clever pawn]

extra hp wont save you if you get frozen, you are dead anyway

[dapper igloo]

@viral gale you should max out hawk stance instead

[viral gale]

Idk it works pretty well for me all in all at the end of the day I looked at the best one I felt

[dapper igloo]

Your right, your right

[elfin vortex]

I'll also have to do precision and deathmark because I don't have brutal equipment

[dapper igloo]

@viral gale that’s the whole point of a talent tree to use what fits your play style

[dapper igloo]

Yea well idk for death mark cause that barley applies how it use too

[viral gale]

Yeah

[rotund adder]

Bear stance seems pretty nice to have though

[viral gale]

So far I’ve been able to run kwt 61-79 with that tree and drained the boss health low

[dapper igloo]

But it’s all up to you @elfin vortex

[elfin vortex]

I'll try it. I'm stuck on level 60 in Kold War. The boss shang shung. He's a pain in the ass

[viral gale]

I wouldn’t suggest brutal ending if u got no brut gear

[viral gale]

Who you got in ur kollection?

[clever pawn]

It looks better in the eye, but debuff resistance ultimately can save you more

[rotund adder]

true, maybe I’ll change it to hawk stance

[elfin vortex]

F7 klassic milleena, f8 elder god kenshi, f5 mournful kitana, f6 dark raiden, f4 cyrax just to name few off hhand

[rotund adder]

that’s actually crazy, I passed it with hanzo scorpion f5 at the time. But maybe discuss in #🏯-towers-relic-hunt

[dapper igloo]

Heres my new talent set up

[viral gale]

Lot of offense focused on not bad

[smoky sentinel]

Well yeah we basically have the same attack tree

But i ignore defense and i go for support

[dapper igloo]

my characters are so weak that the talent tree characters are so strong

xd

[crystal jewel]

focus on Hawk stance

why is shirai ryu teachings good for

[smoky sentinel]

Extra power gen

[crystal jewel]

it gets extra power?

[smoky sentinel]

You get extra power on critical hits

[crystal jewel]

really?

[smoky sentinel]

Yes, just read the effects

[crystal jewel]

when it hits a crit?

[smoky sentinel]

Yes

[crystal jewel]

Oh

Thanks I keep it

for shirai ryu teachings

Hawk stance is good for towers

[smoky sentinel]

Is good for everything

[crystal jewel]

yeah any mode

I always go for brutal ending is useful

[broken ocean]

when the opponent does crits on you, you will see a "critical gives power" text

and hawk stance is pretty sure debuff resistance

one of the best talents i would say

[clever pawn]

Thats another talent

[broken ocean]

isn't that shirai ryu teachings?

[clever pawn]

No

Shirai ryu teachings give 10% extra power on your critical hits

You are refering to ghost armor I think it was called

[smoky sentinel]

Yes

[broken ocean]

probably then yeah

[sonic trail]

What exactly is a critical hit ??

[clever pawn]

Well its just a hit that deals extra damage, 150% to be precise

You can increase crit chance to have a higher chance of getting them (red numbers)

[sonic trail]

More like lethal damage, right ?

[smoky sentinel]

Lethal damage is 300%

[sonic trail]

Oh okay

Thank you

[broken ocean]

critical hit is red numbers

lethal blow is a red pop

[smoky sentinel]

And it says "Lethal"

[broken ocean]

you can make CoS liu kang powerful when he's at FX and give him some FX equipments

for FW especially, his damage is alot

[sonic trail]

If i use talent point on unbridled savagery, will that mean i can remove the unblockable equipment from my slot and use it for something other ?

[clever pawn]

I dont think you fully read what unbridled savagery does

It doesnt give unblockable chance, only damage on unblockables

And in most cases it doesnt work as well as you'd think so its not the best place to spend points on

[dapper igloo]

What do I get

[frank vector]

3 more talent points

So u will advance to next tier.

[dapper igloo]

Nu

Next tier is kinda trash

[frank vector]

So what u want then

[dapper igloo]

For the 3rd one

Oof

[frank vector]

U have to unlock 2nd then select 1 talent then u xan unlock next tier.

[dapper igloo]

Ik

[stuck geyser]

So I just finished the first stance on all the offense/defense/support.

Which bracket should I invest first

[dapper igloo]

Hm Idk

[dapper igloo]

Finish Shao Kahn tower first so you can get what you want

[frank vector]

Decide according to your techniques and characters u have.

[viral gale]

You get what suits your fighting style

[sacred turtle]

You should always when unlocking one tier only put upgrade the tier once so you can get more

Cause you only get 100 points

[clever pawn]

One point is generally enough, the bonuses for those talents have a really bad scaling

Take for example cyber LK programming, 30%-34%

[tidal rover]

Where is out world scourge?

[hardy girder]

In support section

[tidal rover]

Okay

[sonic trail]

So basically you are saying that mastering each talent skill may not be the best idea ??

And i should go for 1 or 2 points in skill ?

[sacred turtle]

Yes save some points so you can have higher stuff

[sacred turtle]

If it’s like revenant tier than you should max it out

[sonic trail]

Hmm. I think i will require most understanding of talent tree. Right now i have maxed out all offense skill and a few utility skills

[slender pivot]

I had done the same initially. Then I ran out of points. Watched vid on YT to understand this nuclear science. Then revised my point distribution

[dapper igloo]

Well yes but only if you don’t want nothing that’s in that tier then only put 1 point then skip

[smoky sentinel]

The guide pinned is here for this

[slender pivot]

I hadn't discovered discord back then.

[sonic trail]

Same here

As per the pinned guide, i have very similar build as hach’s. Except I don’t have anything in defense. Don’t want it anymore

[soft siren]

When one's advanced, Defense is pretty much useless because one wants to deal the most damage possible with less effort

[smoky sentinel]

Also after 3.0 the attack tree is much better

[elfin vortex]

I guess you can't have the brutal ending talent if you don't have brutality equipment?

[rancid flare]

You can still have it, but it’ll be completely useless without the equipment

[dapper igloo]

Which defensive stance do you recommend

[broken ocean]

hawk stance @dapper igloo

[hidden lagoon]

Hi.
How to get to the next branch?
I already max out bear stance why its still closed.

[smoky sentinel]

See the bar below?

You need 5 points to unlock the next branch

No need to max the talent

[soft siren]

Exactly that ^ in the guide pinned in this channel I explain things like that @hidden lagoon

[hidden lagoon]

Thank guys

[paper hull]

I have no talents

[smoky sentinel]

Play shao kahn tower

[turbid wadi]

Is Intimidating presence and centaurian defense make sense? because if unblockable chance is reduced the reflect chance will also be reduced right?

[hardy girder]

There are guaranteed unblockable attack too

[smoky sentinel]

It's mainly used for grapple specials and xrays

[elfin vortex]

I have deathmark and shinnoks teaching both maxed. Is that a good chose or will it offset each other?

[smoky sentinel]

Deathmark works against enemies, bone shield will save you

So they're good

[dapper igloo]

If your new I see why you would ask for help but if you how to play and what each talent does think you would just choose a talent of your liking

[echo zenith]

what tree should I focus on first? defensive seems to be the first one many people do because of bone shield and other things.

[clever pawn]

Defense is usually the most beginner friendly cause it has more room for error, even if you mess up you have a chance to get away with it

If you feel like you dont deal enough damage and dont get hit too often you can opt for offense and support

Or just offense and defense focusing on offense mostly

[broken ocean]

offense

offensive + defensive best combo imo

[elfin vortex]

I agree offense and defense. Just make sure you master brutal ending or deathmark for offense and bone shield for denfense

[smoky sentinel]

I prefer offense and support

[frank vector]

Am i the only one who wishes revenant and bone shield must came in same tier

[clever pawn]

That would be a terrible idea

[frank vector]

So people must have to choose only one among both shield.

[smoky sentinel]

^

You want to use both, why would you nerf yourself??

[reef hazel]

Yes, yes you are lol

[frank vector]

Thank you.
For making a survey and asking everyone in server .
And also for sharing the results to me

🙏

[fierce smelt]

Whats the best talent tree for newer players

Defense or offense

I have around 50 points

[clever pawn]

Probably defense

[bold belfry]

It probably depends on the characters you mainly use

[broken ocean]

offense and defense are imo good when used both

you mainly focus on offense and you put some talents in defense such as revenant, bone shield, hawk stance

[cobalt tiger]

I hope in the future we are allowed to have both Cyber Lin Kuei Programming and Red Dragon Training. It's really difficult to pick one tbh.

[safe gust]

Yep

[sonic trail]

No you are not. I think it should be in the same tier too

[smoky sentinel]

Again, why would you nerf yourself?

Still waiting for an answer

[sonic trail]

If you are able to choose a double defense ability, so can your opponents.
From tower and relic hunt perspective its good, but from fw perspective it doesn’t make sense. First i try to break their bone shield and revenant shield then the opponent and the game goes on longer than it should going down to same probability as the two teams without those 2 powers

Now the result would really get interesting if both were in the same tier and you chose revenant but other chose bone shield.

[smoky sentinel]

You can just use them too

And there are many ways to counter revenant

[sonic trail]

Or vice versa

[smoky sentinel]

Deathmark, brutalities, shao kahn...

And luck

[sonic trail]

This is the biggest one. Hence the results would get really interesting if both were in same tiers

[smoky sentinel]

With both in the same tier, you can choose only one

It would just be a nerf to defense tree, and everyone would complain

[sonic trail]

However i do not use either bone shield or revenant. Had that when i was a beginner but not anymore

[smoky sentinel]

I don't use them too, and i also have no problems when i face them

Just have to keep attacking and the AI will block for the whole duration of revenant

[sonic trail]

I know that’s what i am saying, it would be interesting cz you can’t have both and the opponent could have chosen the same thing or the other.
When both sides have chosen both defence perks, the game jots down to the exact same probability when they both did not had them

[smoky sentinel]

A nerf is always bad, doesn't matter to what

Even worse if it's a nerf to one of the best talents in the game

We got tons of complains when they fixed shao kahn working on bosses when he was clearly not supposed to. Don't want to imagine what would happen if they nerf the defense tree

[sonic trail]

Maybe or maybe not. Sometimes i think nerf maynot be that bad.
Also we are not reducing the effectiveness of any skill, we are just letting people choose one out of the two

So imo it’s not nerf. They would still function at full capacity. But you can choose only one

[smoky sentinel]

Aaand that's a nerf, to the defense tree

Because people literally max it only to get both

[sonic trail]

Yeah but there is always a competitive balance here.
I am talking about creating an imbalance without reducing effectiveness of any skill.
So imo not a nerf

I guess that’s just difference of opinion

[verbal plover]

what should I invest in, in all 3 talents

[sonic trail]

Usually depends on your playstyle and your comfort level.
You can take help from the pinned link where pros have put up their choice of tree

[verbal plover]

Ah and what is that link?

oh nvm

[sonic trail]

I used to have defence plus support as a beginner account.
I am still a beginner but since i have better cards at around fx or f8, i now choose offence and support

Swipe left and click on pins

[verbal plover]

found it ty

[sonic trail]

Wc

[verbal plover]

This helps alot

[fading grove]

This game is complicated that I anticipated lol

As a kid I used to play MK 1 2 3 etc xD

[sonic trail]

Yeah those were easier. But almost all these games required you to strategize

Usually the talent tree even changes as you keep on playing different modes

[fading grove]

Yep this is a whole different thing now😅 I'm still a beginner. Playing since a week tho so still finding my way around

[sonic trail]

There are good guides pinned around different forums in this server. Try accessing those for help.

[verbal plover]

yo guys so on the talent tree I have, mantis, boar and horse stance. That's pretty good for beginner right?
I have 5 extra talent points to unlock, what talent should I unlock it on?

[sonic trail]

Put it on hawk stance in defense

Sometimes he doesn’t give a sound advise. Just tag @smoky sentinel for help. He is the most knowledgeable when it comes to mk mobile

[verbal plover]

too late, I think bear stance is better in my opinion

[fading grove]

Ookay thanks😮

[sonic trail]

Choose what’s better for you

[crystal jewel]

I like cruel affliction better

Because Shirai Ryu Teachings doesnt work on crit and it had 10%

[smoky sentinel]

It works

I use it and it's a great boost on crit characters

[crystal jewel]

No

it doesnt let me hit a crit character

this is disappointed

[crystal jewel]

Really?

[smoky sentinel]

Yes

[crystal jewel]

ok

I like red dragon training and hawk stance

it resist all debuffs stun and power drain

Because I like brutal ending better

whats nightwolf's chain lightning do?

I don't even understand this defense tree

[crystal jewel]

which one is better Revenant or The spirit of vengeance or nihgtwolf chain lightning?

[smoky sentinel]

Revenant

[crystal jewel]

ok

[frank vector]

@crystal jewel which brutalities u have.

[crystal jewel]

Liu kang and Scorpion @frank vector

brutality gear

[frank vector]

Both gears of both of them

[crystal jewel]

yep

damn serious

[frank vector]

Okk

[crystal jewel]

yep

[elfin vortex]

What does Fujins Boon talent do exactly?

[crystal jewel]

No clue what that fujins boon do is

exact

10% chance to rinse DOTS on special attack

[smoky sentinel]

We have the guide for that, anyway chance to remove dots on special attacks

[crystal jewel]

Which is better red dragon training or Fujin boon?

[elfin vortex]

Red dragon

[crystal jewel]

I go for red dragon training

it helps me to win

stun and power drain resist to me winning with hawk stance

[elfin vortex]

Now I understand what Fujins Boon does, it seems kinda pointless

[crystal jewel]

dont use Fujin's Boon it is bad

red dragon better

Shirai Ryu teaching is good for crit power generation

if you want to use on that

[elfin vortex]

Yeah definitely it can come in handy

[crystal jewel]

I use on brutal ending

too and it is so useful

[elfin vortex]

I use deathmark for now until I get a few more brutality equipment

[crystal jewel]

yeah deathmark are good

for combo ender

if you dont have brutality gear

go instead deathmark @elfin vortex

[thin mauve]

Deathmark is good in towers....to kill those Terminators n jasons

[crystal jewel]

Which one is better Deathmark or Brutal ending for me?

[smoky sentinel]

If you don't have brutalities, brutal ending is useless

[crystal jewel]

It takes down bosses

[smoky sentinel]

If you have brutalities, brutal ending is the best option

[thin mauve]

Deathmark is random but it's worth it

[crystal jewel]

I do use it brutal ending and I have liu kang and scorp

[thin mauve]

Won so many close games cause of deathmark

[elfin vortex]

I don't use but a couple defense talents but I would like to get bone shield again but I feel offense is the way to go

[crystal jewel]

Klassic ermac best passive to beat kw tower 200 bosses too

use bone shield for shinnok teachings and revenant

they are the best option @elfin vortex

Shinnok teaching op

[dapper igloo]

I use cyber Lin Kuei programming

Plz tell me the best talent tree for mk11 team

My team is mk11 scorp, sub 0 and jade

no brutality

[dapper igloo]

Idk just use what fits your play style cause it don’t matter really

Use what you like to use @dapper igloo

ok thanks

No problem

Atleast tell me which one is better to go after defense

Survival or offense?

I use offense and defense

You wanna see my talent set up?

I use defense and survival

You mean support?

[dapper igloo]

Yeah but for what?

[dapper igloo]

Yeah

Idk just asking

So I can’t really tell the best cause you use support I use offense so idk

[dapper igloo]

No I meant like for what team is it?

Should I go for dots damage cuz of scorp?

What team is my talent set up for any team I use it benefits any and everyone

atm I have set up for kc team

[dapper igloo]

For offense?

Idk

I have seen 20% increased dots damage and some increased duration

Will see it

Cause if so go for exposing weakness and cruel affliction

[dapper igloo]

What are they?

😑

[dapper igloo]

They increase dots damage

Dots setup will boost outworld damage too

Cuz I use kl reptile

[dapper igloo]

Yea it boost anyone with dots

But then the problem comes when fighting against opponents who heal from dots like klk or mk11 jade

[dapper igloo]

Then don’t apply the dot try to keep using special attacks to kill them and basic attacks

ok thanks

I will manage now

Do you use precision? @dapper igloo

Yeah

Maxed out

There’s not need to max out just at 4/5 cause it’s the same thing

Cause you could be using that to increase something else

OK

I will reset my tree in few mins

Let me know how it goes after a few fights

ok

Just @ me

[smoky sentinel]

You could just copy my tree, i use mk11 teams as well

[dapper igloo]

I thought of you at first but then thought I should try making 1 myself

I have maxed revenant and bone shield and 1 points on others in defense

support 1 point horse and max teamwork

offense 1 point mantis, 3 precision max stranglehold exposing weakness cruel affliction and 1 point art of tsunami

[dapper igloo]

And also you have brutality

[smoky sentinel]

Just replace brutality with deathmark

[dapper igloo]

Forget it I have made a new

BTW why do you have weakpoints?

Is there anyone who drains power except sub 0 in mk11 @smoky sentinel ?

And he is also sitting outside most of the time

[smoky sentinel]

Raiden on sp3

[hardy girder]

He has FX Specter's Infernal Chains which gives 100% power drain on SP1

[smoky sentinel]

And scorp with the chains

Also, my tree is good with anyone

[dapper igloo]

Ok

Mine is only for dots team

[smoky sentinel]

There's always at least a powerdrainer in every team i use

[dapper igloo]

That is outworld and mk11

[dapper igloo]

Can we max out epic brutality without buying packs?

[smoky sentinel]

No

The chains are rare btw

[dapper igloo]

SRT will keep coming right? It isn't like it was for 1st and last time

I can't buy packs but I can max it if the tower comes like 3 or 4 times

[smoky sentinel]

No way to know

[dapper igloo]

🥲

[dapper igloo]

Can I send a YouTube video in here it is for the talent Shirai Ryu teachings

[hardy girder]

No

[dapper igloo]

Okie dokie

[foggy crown]

Hi guys whats the best talent tree for survivor mode

[smoky sentinel]

Defense-focused tree i guess

Unless you consider offense the best defense 😁

[broken ocean]

offense + defense should be enough everywhere

[dapper igloo]

That’s Cobra Kai talk right there

[smoky sentinel]

That's what i do

I use my tree for every mode lol

[dapper igloo]

Same here buddy

I just don’t use bone shield it’s a waste of points

[sharp plover]

Strike first, strike hard, no mercy 😉

[dapper igloo]

Yessir I’m waiting for season 4 but let’s get back on topic for this channel

[dapper igloo]

@smoky sentinel I copied your talent tree but you have 100 points and I have 101

What to do with 1 extra point?

Black dragon training or precesion?

Or lightening blow?

[smoky sentinel]

Lightning blow

[dapper igloo]

Ok thanks

[stuck geyser]

Which one should I invest my next 3. I'm usually playing playing my subzero team most of the time

[smoky sentinel]

Precision is a must, at least r4

Also, just keep your points, you need them to unlock more talents

No need to max everything btw

[stuck geyser]

So just put 1 point in each box?

[smoky sentinel]

Check the guide pinned

[stuck geyser]

Ok I'll check it out real quick. What did you mean by precision.

[smoky sentinel]

The talent

[stuck geyser]

I see just noticed

I'll just refund the points for 12

[smoky sentinel]

Put one point on everything until you reach the end of the tree, then use your extra points to rank them up

At least 4 points on precision are needed before unlocking everything else tho

[stuck geyser]

Ok cool. Ur recommendation for maxing offense first before defense?

Or kinda balance it together

[smoky sentinel]

It's based on your play stile, but at least 4 points in precision are needed for every tree

[stuck geyser]

Alright for sure I'll change that

[smoky sentinel]

It's one or another, no balance, you're getting worse results from both if you try to balance

Check the guide

[stuck geyser]

True. I do play pretty agressive so I'll guess I'll go for offense first

But yeah I'll check it out

[dapper igloo]

@stuck geyser what draco was saying from the first message was save your points until you finish Shao Kahn tower so you can just invest your points after

[stuck geyser]

Not spending now. But thoughts on shirai ryu teachings or cruel affliction?

[broken ocean]

both seem to be useful. I use cruel affliction because it gives more dot damage, although shirai ryu teachings give more power

i would say that shirai ryu teachings is more useful because it gives more power and there are teams who have dot immunity

[dapper igloo]

Cruel affliction for me or thunderous blows

[smoky sentinel]

Agree, i use shirai ryu teachings and i don't think i would ever replace it with other options

Extra power gen is always the best option

[nocturne eagle]

Isn’t critical damage more important?

[smoky sentinel]

More important than precision? No

[nocturne eagle]

Precision only increases combo ender chances

[hardy girder]

Precision is crucial for combo ender knock backs and brutalities

[smoky sentinel]

Yeah

Without precision, those characters that relies on combo enders are heavily nerfed

Same for brutalities

And anyway, a combo ender means extra damage

[broken ocean]

without combo enders you’ll deal less damage, you can use the art of tsunami and precision which will damage the opponent’s team just by doing combo enders

also if you use injustice 2 raiden, precision gets very useful for him

[crystal jewel]

Combo ender

but art of tsunami better for me to win

[dapper igloo]

Yea but that’s chance base when that is not

[crystal jewel]

I do like art of tsunami

I think art of tsunami better for combo ender target

[dapper igloo]

I guess but if you have a brutality set it’s better for precision because you have more chance to activate a brutality

[smoky sentinel]

Just use both...

[dapper igloo]

Ard now I’m overthinking

[smoky sentinel]

Why

[dapper igloo]

Cause I like using lighting blow cause it’s useful against any enemy but centaurian defense is also useful

Idk

[smoky sentinel]

Precision is a must anyway

Lightning blow is another option for art of tsunami

And centaurian defense is in the defense tree so i don't see how it's related to the others

[dapper igloo]

Oh no not precision I’m talking about between lighting blow maxed or centaurian defense maxed

[smoky sentinel]

They're in different trees....

If you go for offense, you can't go for defense

[dapper igloo]

Yea but only one could be maxed

[dapper igloo]

I use both

[hardy girder]

Hope I won't be staked for never using Precision

[dapper igloo]

You don’t use precision?

[hardy girder]

No

[smoky sentinel]

Here we go

[dapper igloo]

Mhm

[dapper igloo]

What?

[hardy girder]

But I won't deny its superiority

[dapper igloo]

If someone don’t go for precision they could go for oppertunist

Just a suggestion tho

Don’t take it to heart

[crystal jewel]

I like offense

[languid tinsel]

[hardy girder]

Draco might get pissed that I also never used WPA 👀

[dapper igloo]

For Offense tree I have Precision 4/5, BD Training 5/5, Lighting Blow 5/5 and Brutal Ending 5/5

[smoky sentinel]

Lol no, support is a personal choice

[neon ether]

I used low precision for awhile, 10 or 15%, it was okay for me.

[dapper igloo]

Why should he care?

[smoky sentinel]

But something like precision is almost a must

Because of the 100% combo ender chance

[dapper igloo]

Defense Hawk Stance 5/5, Revenant 5/5, and Bone Shield 5/5

[languid tinsel]

I’m ready for the heated argument

[dapper igloo]

There is none

[hardy girder]

not using recommended talents

[languid tinsel]

Not yet

[dapper igloo]

Oh but those are opinions

Any one can go for what they like that’s the whole point of a talent tree you pick what you like

Use what goes with your play style

[clever pawn]

Yeah everyone is free to use whatever they want, just dont expect people to comply with it when you promote it as a better/good option