🌲-talent-tree

[neat wasp]

Max talent is 100

[hardy girder]

@stark birch talent points are only for the first run

[neat wasp]

If u finish whole tower you'll get them

[stark birch]

Whattttt so u dont get any more after the first run? U stick with what u got??

[limpid geyser]

Unfortunate

[stark birch]

That suuuuuuuuuuuuuucks

So theres no point to do that tower again then

[clever pawn]

Collect some frags

Thats it

[neat wasp]

Yea

[storm fiber]

There is a major bug in brutal ending talent, if you perform brutality on a character with <25 pc health one of the two passive characters die and not the guy on whom the brutality was performed, this bug defeated a fully healthy boss raiden on nightmare tower 160. On battle 186 I performed a brutality on terminator but a fully healthy sf scorpion died

[shell thorn]

That only happens in a few battles

The talent isn't bugged

Certain battles in the tower are

[neat wasp]

There is a major bug in brutal ending talent, if you perform brutality on a character with <25 pc health one of the two passive characters die and not the guy on whom the brutality was performed, this bug defeated a fully healthy boss raiden on nightmare tower 160. On battle 186 I performed a brutality on terminator but a fully healthy sf scorpion died
@storm fiber rip to scorp

[storm fiber]

@shell thorn battle 200 of NT is also bugged I brutalized leatherface and Jason got killed

But this didn't happen when i brutalized Freddy so you Need to have 2 opponents left to see the bug

[dapper igloo]

The talent isn't bugged
@shell thorn no cause it happens in FWs too

[shell thorn]

Well it worked fine for me

I brutalized all 3 opponents

[brazen rock]

can i do brutalities with golds?

[smoky sentinel]

no, only diamonds

[brazen rock]

rip

[stark birch]

How do you do a brutality thats 4 bars of power right?

[dapper igloo]

How do you do a brutality thats 4 bars of power right?
@stark birch no

[stark birch]

Then how do u do it

[dapper igloo]

Okay, I’m real late in the game on this because I put the game down for a little while. Can anyone suggest to me a basic Talent Tree (or detailed) Build to take out Nightmare Level 60 D of the D team who all have Regen I think?

[weak carbon]

DM your roster @dapper igloo

[dapper igloo]

I gotta slow phone. Just give me a sec please.

[weak carbon]

No worries

[dapper igloo]

I cannot send it to the Talent Tree. No option.

Says Unavailable.

[old carbon]

Okay, I’m real late in the game on this because I put the game down for a little while. Can anyone suggest to me a basic Talent Tree (or detailed) Build to take out Nightmare Level 60 D of the D team who all have Regen I think?
@dapper igloo
Do u finished shao khan tower

[dapper igloo]

Yes.

102 points.

[old carbon]

Its according to your staratagy.

I uses only health and support talents .

U can choose what talent u want in your fight..

[clever pawn]

Most people run offense and defense now, ignoring support cause of the teammwork fix

[old carbon]

Ok

But i use word talents which i choose from tree

Revenant is talent not tree

For e.g

[clever pawn]

I was correcting myself

[old carbon]

👍

[weak carbon]

Apparently it got a little fix (teamwork). Its still not the same tho

[clever pawn]

The fix was making it work as intended, literally killing it but that's fine

[languid tinsel]

Then how do u do it
@stark birch you gotta have certain gear for a certain character found only in towers

[topaz hamlet]

There is a major bug in brutal ending talent, if you perform brutality on a character with <25 pc health one of the two passive characters die and not the guy on whom the brutality was performed, this bug defeated a fully healthy boss raiden on nightmare tower 160. On battle 186 I performed a brutality on terminator but a fully healthy sf scorpion died
@storm fiber that's a bug with mid brutality! Nothing to do with towers or faction wars! Nice good bug

[sharp plover]

Good bug, I love it.

[topaz hamlet]

Same here! Made NT tower lot easy! I was lucky to get brut gears for both LK and scorpion from SRT in just 2 runs! But NT drop rates are so low! Don't thing will get

[dapper igloo]

Then how do u do it
@stark birch u go to talent tree and use “Brutal Ending” and you can do a brutality in mid match so all you need to do that is a character with brutality set and brutal ending talent tree and when there under 25% health and u use the special combo Enders then you complete it

[smoky sentinel]

brutalities can be done only on the last opponent, but with the talent you can do it even mid match as long as they're under 25% health and you get the special combo ender

[obsidian minnow]

Considering removing Rev again, in towers (which is the only reason I got it) it has about 5% chance of triggering, u can go 3-4 matches without a single Rev triggering on anyone. Useless

[soft siren]

I'm thinking in spending this night in updating the guide. Yay or nay?

[smoky sentinel]

i would wait for the patch to see if something changes

then yeah

[soft siren]

I don't think the order of the talents will change

I will start the foundation of the new guide parts by the way

[smoky sentinel]

nice

[soft siren]

I hope the bugs of the talents will be fixed instead

[smoky sentinel]

yeah that's what i'm hoping for, so i can switch back to brutal ending

[dapper igloo]

Imma go back to teamwork

[shell thorn]

Try spec ops tactics instead

[sturdy falcon]

@hybrid jewel I think teamwork is a lost cause now !!!
Ever since I have rebuilt my tree since update 3.0, (I maxed out teamwork) I haven't gotten to X-ray once when playing the tower.
It's no longer useful
@sharp plover same here

Something miraculous happened to me in NT 139 or 141 — an empowered battle having all 3 opponents start with 3 bars of power along with very powerful tower equipment cards. Two x-rays were performed on my first two fighters. They were eventually dead. My third fighter, CO Cassie, was hit with the third opponent's x-ray too. This was my second attempt at the battle, and I thought I would fail again for sure. But after the x-ray, my Cassie was still at full health and the opponent (I think Kitana) was curiously at one bar of health all of a sudden. Cassie easily finished off Kitana and what was left of the other two opponents who had already spent their x-rays on my first two dead fighters.

I went over this in my head for awhile, carefully reviewing my equipment cards and talent tree, trying to understand exactly what had happened.

Eventually I came to realize that the Centaurian Defense is what saved my a$$. This is the third talent in the defense tree. I only have it unlocked to level 1 (4%). I'm going to consider mastering this talent in the future. It might be well worth shuffling my tree a little bit to take full advantage of this miraculous talent.
@real copper no doubts its Centaurian Defense... it can kill bosses and also many times I have suffered this when I am fighting an opponent in FW and opponent had this.

[dapper igloo]

Try spec ops tactics instead
@shell thorn no I’m good

[sand oar]

Is multiverse white canary any good 3 stars

Jus got her from first pull

[hardy girder]

@sand oar https://discord.gg/injustice2mobile

[sand oar]

Oops wrong page LMAO 🤣🤣

I'm joined already

[tribal bear]

if i restart talent tree i get my points back right?

[smoky sentinel]

yes

[tribal bear]

ok good

i acidentally chose the wrong thing and want to reset but i dont wanna lose my points

[smoky sentinel]

you'll keep your points don't worry

[lime tide]

Anyone have a good talent tree setup with deathmark?

[glad imp]

Hey guys, I’m wondering how to gain more talent koins, I don’t get them anymore after I bet the shoa kahn tower once

[smoky sentinel]

you get talents only during the first run

the max you can have is 100

[glad imp]

That’s it?!

There’s no possible way to get more ?

[smoky sentinel]

no

[glad imp]

Sour thanks

I’m stuck on 186 tower of horror any suggestions on talents to choose

[smoky sentinel]

use deathmark in the attack tree, if terminator doesn't activate the endoskeleton the game won't crash

[glad imp]

186 doesn’t have terminator, it’s the kold war team enranged

[smoky sentinel]

oh, then just use someone with powerdrain and use weak point attacks to snare them

[glad imp]

Which talent is snare

Show me ur tree

[smoky sentinel]

weak point attack gives 40% chance to snare after a powerdrain

[neat wasp]

Which talent is snare
@glad imp weak point is in support talent tree

[soft siren]

Does anyone here have a talent tree build specificly for survivor mode?

[weak carbon]

^^^

[soft siren]

Ok people I'm slowly upgrading the talent tree guide to 3.0, tell me if you like how it looks

[old carbon]

Which talent is snare
@glad imp 👇

Support.

[thorn thunder]

I maxed it out but my characters don’t heal AAAAA

[smoky sentinel]

they heal while tagged out

[thorn thunder]

o

[soft siren]

Yeah, recovery means healing when they aren't fighting

[broken ocean]

so i have beaten shao kahn tower and it got resetted

will i still get talent points or what

because i don't see them anymore

[latent turtle]

No you can only get 100 talent points so from now on you wont be rewarded anymore as for talent points

Tho you will still receive fragments, coins, souls

[dapper igloo]

Skullforger?

[patent smelt]

I got 35 points and I spent them all to get revenant by idk if it’s worth it

[robust elm]

Revenant is really good. Especially in towers it can come in clutch.

[patent smelt]

Should I save for bone shield or add more points to ones I haven’t mastered

[robust elm]

Bone shield is also really good. I guess since you've come as far as Revenant, you should go for it too

[patent smelt]

ok thanks for tip

[frozen void]

Bone shield drives me crazy in faction wars

[robust elm]

Ikr.

[main sinew]

hawk or boar stance?

[soft siren]

Depending, if you're playing teams that heal with fire, poison and such don't choose hawk stance

[weak carbon]

Yea @dapper igloo

[dapper igloo]

What’s up Skullforger?

@weak carbon

[weak carbon]

Doing well.

Do u need help with talent points?

[dapper igloo]

Oh, thanks. I reworked it best I could at 198. Then I switched to SF like you originally suggested as the alternative.

You know where to get some?

I have 102. I used all of them. I needed Mastered Revenant and Bone Shaper to F them over when they thought they had me!

[weak carbon]

Let's continue this in DM's. @dapper igloo

[main sinew]

u giving help? plz help me

[weak carbon]

Sure what do u need help with? @main sinew

[main sinew]

can i send u my talent tree

[weak carbon]

Sure

[main sinew]

tysm

[weak carbon]

No worries!

[peak jackal]

Weak point attack or Conditioning.. ? For general purpose..

[smoky sentinel]

Weak point attacks imo

[peak jackal]

Thanks

[light wigeon]

OK< TALENT TREE USED TO MAKE SENSE< now what the heck is going on? I can't get shinnok's teaching unlocked let alone put points into it? And we need to add points to the "bottom" to unlock stuff too? Uh, what?

[smoky sentinel]

It has always been like this

[vestal lichen]

This is my talent tree for tower

[weak carbon]

Is it just me or I never proc death mark.

[vestal lichen]

Just do combo enders until its proc

[dapper igloo]

Just you Skullforger!

🙃

That beacon is my light in dark paths!

[gray ocean]

@soft siren For some feedback on the guide, this looks awesome so far! I’m gonna give it a good read later on. Appreciated!

[soft siren]

Did you see it? @gray ocean Thank you, I just finished typing by today. I added the essential I needed for this update I guess.

Also I'm highly considering in separating talent tree into its own guide, and leave a shorter introduction in this Shao Kahn one.

[gray ocean]

I have, it’s great! I’ll give it a fuller read later on. Yeah I think having it’s own guide is a really good idea. Especially as the talent tree seems to be more important than ever now

And turns out most of us understand it less than we thought

[soft siren]

yeah, it's a really crucial mechanic after all

[dapper igloo]

Add pointa talenta

Points talents

[old carbon]

Hlo

Will anyone explain fujins boon tellent.

[clear thunder]

Poison , fire and bleed will be rinsed by using sp attack but only 40% chance

[dapper igloo]

Add points talents

[hard vortex]

I can't win battle 87 in shaokan tower 🌝

[dapper igloo]

Wrong topick... ,

You can kill them only with xray atack 🙃

I did it today with bojutsu kung jin

Hi gains power When blocking

[rancid flare]

Bojustu Kung Jin I guess is a great finisher! Use him for finishing other characters

Yeah he’s good for power generation

[untold jay]

do you need special gears for brutality to be useful? if yes then i should be better picking death mark right? as i dont have any of those gears

[clever pawn]

That's right, you need to have the 2 tower pieces of gear from towers equipped on a diamond character

So deathmarks are generally better if you use gold kards too

[patent smelt]

I maxed revenant and bone shield now what should I do

[dapper igloo]

Play....

[keen widget]

Think il be keeping Death Mark on my TT after learning it nullifies Revenant when active

[dapper igloo]

guys what are the best first talents like lion stance or idk

[smoky sentinel]

The first attack talent is not so important

Use one point on lion stance and you're good

[terse sigil]

Does the gambler talent go over the 100%?

Special attack mini games give a 12% bonus to their result.

[smoky sentinel]

It can't go over 100%

Gambler is useless use precision

[terse sigil]

Thanks

[old carbon]

May i know what are special attack minigames

[smoky sentinel]

Like the swipe, the circle tap....

[old carbon]

🆗

[viscid yarrow]

Does having death mark on your talent tree affect your Fw ranking negatively or positively or does it have very little to do with it ?

[smoky sentinel]

It doesn't affect it at all

[viscid yarrow]

Ok I wasn’t sure someone had to said to me that how the tree was set up would affect it and I hadn’t had death mark on before so I was just curious thx

[dapper igloo]

What’s the best tree

[clever pawn]

That can differ on wether you want it to be better at towers or fw

Offense+weakpoints tower, Offense+some defense for fw

[patent tusk]

Is death mark good?

[smoky sentinel]

yes

for NT is almost a must

[patent tusk]

alright thanks

[violet arrow]

Any help about talents in shao khan tower
For the first 100 talent points came
Next 100 didn't came
Ok with that but for another 100 also no availability of talents
Is there only one 100 talents available
No extra available

[hardy girder]

@violet arrow read what is in Pins

[violet arrow]

What pin

I read all the pin guides
There is no mention about talents after first 100 or any

Give me some suggestions

[hardy girder]

Read again. That is said very clear in the guide

[smoky sentinel]

Only the first run of shao kahn tower gives talent points, and the max is 100

[soft siren]

Yeah, please consider reading again @violet arrow in the very first title, "Shao Kahn's Tower" there is a short introduction paragraph, in that same paragraph it's stated "After you complete the 1st run of the tower, you don’t get Talent Points anymore - the maximum amount of talent points that can be obtained in Shao Kahn’s Tower is 100 Talent Points"

[runic plaza]

Has anyone tried gambler and used klassic sub zeros sp2

?

[clever pawn]

Personally no, dont think gambler is worth it in any scenario

[runic plaza]

I bet you can chain his sp attacks easily tho

[clever pawn]

Bone shield magnet, not running precision would affect many cards in a negative way as well

It sounds ok as a meme idea but you would need to reset your tree after having fun with it

[reef hazel]

Has anyone tried gambler and used klassic sub zeros sp2
@runic plaza I tried for kicks, the gambler perk doesn't help that much, you're still relying on luck more than anything else, you're much better off getting precision in place of gambler

[pliant thorn]

Is brutal ending worthless if I don't have brutallity gear

[smoky sentinel]

If you don't have brutality equipments brutal ending doesn't work

[soft siren]

Yeah, that's why death mark technique is here

[dapper igloo]

But dm techique triggers very rarely.

[wise basin]

@dapper igloo But it still works. If you want it to death mark to happen all the time, factions wars is waiting.

[dapper igloo]

Talent tree tips?

[soft siren]

Look on the guide

[cedar notch]

@dapper igloo ?

[crisp dagger]

@keen widget I didn't catch your conversation about death mark and its influence on revenant. Does it prevent to activate revenant?

[smoky sentinel]

Yes

[keen widget]

@crisp dagger yes, it prevents the opponent from using Revenant when your Death Mark is active

[crisp dagger]

Ok. Tnx, then that talent is must have in survival mode :D

[smoky sentinel]

also in towers

[crisp dagger]

Of course, but I rather use bruthal ending in towers

[smoky sentinel]

brutal ending works too against revenant

both options are good

but everyone can use the deathmark, while only some diamonds can use brutality

[crisp dagger]

That's a good point

[neon ether]

@reef hazel For sub zero klassic sp2, use auto battle to let ai do the work on mini game, just before you press sp2, activate auto battle, do it in quick succession.

[clever pawn]

And watch enemy getting free bone shield while you have to charge all your sp2 again

[neon ether]

I just tried it against much stronger jason, jason blocked all of it, lose a quarter of health, sub zero managed to do 3 chain of slide and ice ball.

I have both sp1 and sp2 maxed, not sure if sp1 have effect on damage of the chain.

[mint nymph]

ayo @dapper igloo show me the best talent tree for this update please :)), i assume you got a pretty good one for all characters

[young relic]

Which one should I do?

[smoky sentinel]

Precision

at least r4

[dapper igloo]

gambler Id say

[smoky sentinel]

r5 if you want to but only few characters need it r5

Gambler is useless

[young relic]

Alright I upgraded precision

[reef hazel]

Gambler can really only be used with one specific card, so it's a worthless talent unless you only use Klassic Sub Zero...

[smoky sentinel]

Still even with klassic sub0 you can get 80%+ without it

[reef hazel]

True, but it kinda helps when you get to the 4th or 5th chain of his sp2

[sinful obsidian]

How good is shirai ryu teachings or how much power does a critical hit generate? Is it worth it to increase this with 10%?

[smoky sentinel]

I use it, mk11 scorp with black dragon training can generate one bar of power in one combo

[sinful obsidian]

I'm trying it out to. How does power generation on critical hits work? Would be nice to know how big the impact is.

[wise grail]

Anyone know how to get deathmark to apply to a boss. Are there certain characters that apply it easier. I maxed it out, went a full 2 minutes against a boss, had at least 40 combo Enders and no death mark

[late cape]

just unlucky

bosses have the same chance of getting death mark

[turbid wadi]

Brutal Ending is good for brutalities

[mint nymph]

is this the best you think is for the talent tree for now?

[smoky sentinel]

That's the best tree for my playstyle

[mint nymph]

is your playstyle the best playstyle then?

[worthy marlin]

Since update 3.0, my whole play style has changed. Before I was a mix of offense and defense. Heavy on the defense. Now it's offense heavy.

[clever pawn]

Power gen on crit seems alright, not as much of a gamechanger as old teamwork but it helps

[midnight radish]

i can't log into my account on andriod

does it have to do something with my original account being on ios?

[smoky sentinel]

You can't use the same account on both Android and Ios because they have different servers

[midnight radish]

😭

i bought google play giftcard

and i wanna use it on my account

but i can;t

is there a way to tranfer googlepay gift card to ios ?

[ashen star]

No

[night grail]

which one should i choose, red dragon training, cyber lin kui or fujin's boon? which one is more useful?

[weak carbon]

Cyber

[rapid briar]

hey

guys

i finally got revenant

[bronze shell]

Epic

[dapper igloo]

@mint nymph yo you wanna a good talent tree?

Nvm

[mint nymph]

sure lol

[dapper igloo]

Ok

Wait

Here's offense one

But choose only brutal ending if you have brutality gear

[smoky sentinel]

You need at least 4 points on precision

[dapper igloo]

Yeah I forgot too

Here's defence

Here you can choose whatever you want but the important thing is bone shield and revenant shield

[mint nymph]

if he posts all of his talent tree can you take some points and put 3 on precision?

[smoky sentinel]

he can remove some points from the art of tsunami

[dapper igloo]

But I have to reset

[smoky sentinel]

Indeed

[dapper igloo]

And btw I dont have support talent tree i like offense more

[mint nymph]

i'll reset anyways, its only 6 souls for me

[smoky sentinel]

The max is 12 souls/reset, it's not a big deal

I've resetted it many times and the max is 12

[mint nymph]

overall pretty solid talent tree

[dapper igloo]

I think defence is the best talent tree in my opinion

[dapper igloo]

Thanks

[mint nymph]

same

[smoky sentinel]

I use only offense and support

[dapper igloo]

Ok I only have defence because of bone shield and revenant

[smoky sentinel]

in defense i have only hawk stance and stalwart defense both maxed

[dapper igloo]

Ok nice

[mint nymph]

so with precision, is it the same with revenant? that extra 5% to make it from 25% to 30% doesn't effect much of the gameplay?

[smoky sentinel]

Rank 4 is enough for most characters to reach 100% combo ender chance, only few characters like inj raiden and klassic sub0 need precision rank 5

[mint nymph]

yeah i understood that, but what do you think about revenant?

[smoky sentinel]

revenant is different

[mint nymph]

aha ok

[smoky sentinel]

There's a big difference between revenant r4 and r5

it's a game changer

[neon osprey]

Finally. Maxed out my defence talent tree

[young relic]

Which one?

[robust elm]

Teamwork

[dapper igloo]

Can anyone show me maxed out revenant

[tight cobalt]

can anybody show me a good talent tree set? i'll become a brutality man

[smoky sentinel]

You can't do brutalities if you don't have a brutality equipment set

Also only some diamonds can use them

[tight cobalt]

what about shao khan

[smoky sentinel]

It's not a brutality, it's an instakill on sp2, doesn't work against bosses and it can be done only once every match

[tight cobalt]

oh ok

is this set good for a lvl 34 guy like me

[smoky sentinel]

Yeah, but remember that you need at least 4 points on precision

[tight cobalt]

oh alr

thanks for the tip

actually

i wont spend my points on precision

idc that much about combo enders

[smoky sentinel]

You'll change idea sooner or later

[tight cobalt]

not sure 'bout that

we'll see

[smoky sentinel]

Precision is required to have 100% combo ender chance

[wise grail]

Precision is pretty awesome. Being able to do extra damage with a combo ender and not allowing the comp to immediately retaliate is pretty awesome. Some people even get special bonuses when performing combo Enders

[chilly valley]

Should i max them for death mark talent tree?

[neon osprey]

Nah

Precision is better

Increases combo ender chance

[smoky sentinel]

One point on them, 4 on precision, and max the deathmark

then if you have extra points left you can rank up the othet talents too

[chilly valley]

Got precision and death mark already. Have 32 talent points left.

Both maxed out

[neon osprey]

Do revenent

Saves your character

If you have enough skill point

[chilly valley]

Hope its enough points for revenant. Got 32 as i Said

And Got bear stance on defence pool maxed out

[smoky sentinel]

Nice, it's really helpful in the tower

[chilly valley]

Need defence then. Im gonna face resurrection team on tower. Stats are higher than my team. I need defence more than support i suppose

[neon osprey]

I cant open my game...

[smoky sentinel]

Nope, the deathmark is enough

I don't use the defence tree anymore

i just don't need it

i think support and offense is the best setup after the update

[chilly valley]

As i Said sir. Got death mark and presicion. Got 32 points left and cant decide support or defence is worthy for these points. Whom would you choose in this situation?

Which*

And i maxed presicion instead of leaving it 4. Is that guarantees on basic gold cards?

[smoky sentinel]

Only few characters need it rank 4, but with rank 5 you have 100 on everyone

Anyway i would try to get weak point attacks in the support tree

[chilly valley]

Thx for advice. Gonna try. Hope the points Will be enough

[latent sable]

What does OIA tech do?

[clever pawn]

Reduces power drain

[broken ocean]

what is mostly recommended to max out?

offense, defense or support?

[smoky sentinel]

I use maxed offense and support reach weak point attacks

only two talents in defense

[broken ocean]

it’s up to you which talents you use right?

[smoky sentinel]

Yes

[old carbon]

@chilly valley according to me u should spend remaining on offence. Insted going for now.
After u got all 100 u can reset and choose whatever u want on that time conditions

[soft siren]

Yes, because it's like a roleplay. You should spend talents that suit your playstyle or the characters you use the most. Check the pinned guide to see recommended talent builds if you can't decide.

[dapper igloo]

Guys did the talents point decrease or something

I only got 100 after refreshing

I’m preety sure I had more prior to this

[wise grail]

Unless you had an old account, 100 is the max you can get now

[dapper igloo]

Anyone show me max revenant

[nocturne barn]

@dapper igloo

[timber nacelle]

nicee

[wise basin]

is bone sheild a good, it hasnt been helping me alot

[little mesa]

Depends on chances bro it will not get active everytime and the revenant too

In tower it will help us if we have so much luck

[clever pawn]

Both revenant and bone shield are extremely rng, you might need to retry some matches if your luck is too bad

[wise basin]

@little mesa Thanks
@clever pawn But sometimes when you have a tick of health and for example klassic raidens sp2 is still going on. revenant will go on unless the person doesnt have it. but if they finish you with the fist. has less chance to trigger. revenat. so you soulldnt call it extreme rng

[little mesa]

In my case its so rare bro 😂 in my team hanzo is the powerful and he will not get that revenant when i need it the most so he accompanies strike force scorpion always

[wise grail]

Depends. It has save my butt on numerous occasions but it entirely RNG dependent. I’ve slowly come around to @smoky sentinel recommendation and go full attack/crits/deathmark. It doesn’t matter what happens on defense if you kill them before they can hit you. I used to run a full bone shield and revenant set up but switched over for the NT tower. After using it for a while, I don’t think I’ll be going back

[smoky sentinel]

For towers i never use the defense tree

maybe it could be useful for fw tho

[wise grail]

There is also a skill that give power upon crits which sort of fixes the teamwork Nerf. I’m using specials a lot more often now

[smoky sentinel]

My mk11 scorp can charge a sp1 in one combo with maxed crits talents, lol

[wise grail]

I don’t know. I’m only doing the first 3 towers of survival and full offense works just fine. There is the occasional block breaker sp you get hit with that you wish you had the last second save, but those seem to be few and far between. I still think the offense seems the better way to go

[smoky sentinel]

Yeah, i never need them in survival anyway

[tepid heart]

deathmark also counters rev if it procs

[wise basin]

@tepid heart you mean reveant

[smoky sentinel]

Yes

[wise basin]

reveant counts as resuration

[dapper igloo]

Now it does

[strong birch]

bone shield is my fav

[inland tapir]

How does brutal ending work? And with what equips?

[wise basin]

@inland tapir if you have butaily gear (ex. specters infernals chain and specters burning vengance) you will be able to perform butalily on the the first and second character, without this talent, you cant do butilay on the first and second charater.

I hope that makes sense

[inland tapir]

So i can do 2 brutalities in one fight you mean?

[smoky sentinel]

With brutal ending you can do brutalities to everyone. Without it, only to the last one

[inland tapir]

Ohhh

But i still need the specific gear right

[ashen star]

Yes you need both gears to do a brutality

[inland tapir]

Oh dang

Do i just open equip packs for them or how do i get them?

[ashen star]

When the packs are on sale in the store or the special towers that come around

Like the nightmare tower

[smoky sentinel]

Limited-time tower equipments

[ashen star]

They'll never be put in the normal equipment packs

[inland tapir]

Ohhhh

And i bet both are epics pieces 😖

[smoky sentinel]

Usually one rare and one epic

[ashen star]

Usually 1 rare and 1 epic

[smoky sentinel]

Sub0 has one epic and one uncommon, jade has 2 epics

[ashen star]

Cuz jade is the best (opinion lol)

[inland tapir]

Seen most on youtube use classic raiden

So was gonna get him frm store

[ashen star]

Any diamond raiden can do his brutality as long as you have both gears needed

[inland tapir]

Dammit thats still alotta rng needed

Unfortunate

Thanks alot for the info guys

[ashen star]

This game is all about the RNG

[inland tapir]

Which gacha isnt lol

[latent comet]

@smoky sentinel

[cold sorrel]

since "teamwork" has been fixed, is it still worth to go for support?

[tribal torrent]

Can someone please tell what all equipments are used to perform brutal ending, i have mastered my brutal ending talent. How to perform is a big question

[severe shoal]

@tribal torrent There are a few characters that have special "Brutality" equipment that you can get either by grinding in their specific towers or by buying them when the towers are available. You need to get a set of 2 "Brutality" equipment cards to perform a brutality.

[severe shoal]

Wasn't there a talent that does shield break on special attack?

[smoky sentinel]

Boar stance: maxed gives 30% chance to break shield on stun

[severe shoal]

ah okay

[teal jewel]

@wise basin

@wise basin

[languid tinsel]

Nani?

[wise basin]

??

@teal jewel

[soft siren]

@teal jewel stop randomly tagging people, please.

[old carbon]

Am i the only one who thinking that im wasting my talent points on deathmark.

[smoky sentinel]

Deathmark is the best option because brutal ending is bugged. Also deathmark works with everyone while for brutal ending you still need brutality equipments

[severe shoal]

Does brutal ending do anything without their brutality equipments?

[smoky sentinel]

No

[severe shoal]

Good because i have deathmark in my talent tree xD

[smoky sentinel]

Without brutalities, brutal ending is useless

But if they fix the bug and you have brutalities it can be a game-changer

I use deathmark too

Scorpion brutality is the most bugged, if you do a mid-match brutality your game may freeze

I wasted more battles in my first NT run for this bug than for actually lost battles

[severe shoal]

Oh i hope that bug is going to be fixed in the next update

i thought the only bug was that it defeated another character instead of the character you are brutalizing

[smoky sentinel]

same, so i can use my mk11 brutality team

[smoky sentinel]

There are two bugs with brutal ending

One will kill a tagged out character ( good), the other one will freeze your game ( bad)

[severe shoal]

Well, they both shouldn't be around as it's not what it's supposed to do

You have all mk11 brutality gear?

[smoky sentinel]

I have brutalities for scorp, jade, noob and liu kang

If lkt comes back i'll be able to get sub0's brutality too

Subo, scorp and jade is the best team in the game

[severe shoal]

That's nice! i wish i had one set of brutality gear but hopefully in the next tower

[smoky sentinel]

Lkt had a granted brutality set for sub0 on battle 200 last year

[severe shoal]

I hope that the mk11 pack is discounted with christmas with good percentages like 18% for kabal mk11 pack

Yeah that would be cool if that comes back

i've got a feeling if that tower comes back that there will be more gear coming with it

and not granting it anymore

[smoky sentinel]

So you just need to complete it once and then you'll be able to use brutal ending against bosses if you have a diamond sub0

[severe shoal]

Yeah

well my fusion 0 sub0 will be very good 😭

but i unlocked him gladly

[cobalt tiger]

Is Centered or Teamwork still worth obtaining? I mean they have been nerfed pretty badly after the update.

[cyan ether]

I actually have never had my game Crash due to using Scorpions brutality, and i used it alot.

[clever pawn]

Definitely not a must now

Its totally up to your liking

[celest bison]

Teamwork is still pretty noticeable

[cobalt tiger]

What about Centered? Because I might not want to sink another 5 more points into support just to get that.

[summer cliff]

Its my talents,good?

[smoky sentinel]

Yeah seems good

It's all based on your needs and your playstyle anyway

[summer cliff]

I've been playing for over a year

[gloomy sky]

Can someone recommend me the best Talent tree video and dm me pls

I’m new to all this

[soft siren]

@gloomy sky look at the pinned message of this channel, I wrote a guide with some beginner talent tree setups

I mean not only for beginners but for different purposes like towers or survivor mode

[gloomy sky]

Oh ok

Thx

[marble berry]

Can someone share the best talent tree? I only have like 60 of the talent points

[soft siren]

@marble berry read what I wrote above ^ in the pinned messages you may find valuable talent builds

[marble berry]

Thanks

[gloomy sky]

Now

3 points so far

[fervent jackal]

Hi guys, need some advice. Which one should I go for i thunderous storm column?

In*

[gloomy sky]

It all depends on your play style

So you choose what works best for you buddy

[golden cedar]

[dapper igloo]

Shinnok’s Teachings or Shaolin Last Stand?

[smoky sentinel]

The teachings

[cold sorrel]

shinnoks teaching if you gonna spend all 5 points, SLS if you only spend 1 point

[dapper igloo]

Thanks for the feedback

[wooden egret]

I’m on 187 souls now lets go

[wooden egret]

What Is the best way to level up chaRacter and get gold

[distant maple]

@wooden egret doing challenges is good source of coins

[wooden egret]

What bout level in

[distant maple]

But also level up way

Doing fw is also another good way to level up

[frail fjord]

Is death mark technique reliable when fighting against tower bosses with resurrection?

[smoky sentinel]

Extra damage will surely help

[mystic crown]

Yes ! However noob works better

[dapper igloo]

Because it’s guaranteed not 25% chance

[fast raft]

death mark surppased the enemy resurrection @frail fjord

they cant resurrect

• they take 10+ damahe

damage*

if you have noob then you will dont need of that

[frail fjord]

I got Noob F0, so not very strong. But have Frost orb and living end equipment to keep him around a bit longer.

[fast raft]

@frail fjord Just Use noob in resurrection battles Dont even need him max just use his sp

[dapper igloo]

But in fw the opponents often resists it

[dapper igloo]

Because they have resistance to debuffs on

Yes

[toxic yacht]

@soft siren thx for the talent tree guide ^^ really helped me

[frail otter]

i made a tierlist for talent tree a while back

can hav a look and giv some feedbacks

the excel version

[soft siren]

I will make a separate talent tree guide because of 3.0, so any input is welcome

[frail fjord]

Absolutely brilliant 🤠

[frail otter]

haha ty

[turbid wadi]

does precision also increases special combo enders chance too?

[languid tinsel]

Yes

[frail fjord]

Can't decide, "teamwork" or "spec ops tactics"?? Any thoughts?

[smoky sentinel]

Teamwork

[cold sorrel]

spec ops tactic

[frail otter]

spec op tactic does seem to be more prominient

[frail fjord]

I feel they are both very similar.

[frail fjord]

After thinking it through, I went with spec ops tactics.

[dapper igloo]

Teamwork all the way

[lilac gull]

@frail otter
I fully agree with your classification
Ig you identified well all the most important things

After many tries my opinion is the same as yours

[reef hazel]

It all depends on what teams you run, if you prefer tag in teams that involve constant tagging in and out, you definitely want spec ops tactics

[lilac gull]

Right, but I have seen many using the worst options
For specific teams you need more specific set, but the classification done for general use and inside tier is very good

Also for specific purpose you need specific set
On NT I used boar stance and SFS against bosses shield with excelent results

[frail fjord]

Does anyone really know how "gambler" works?

[lilac gull]

Yes
NRS

[smoky sentinel]

At rank 1 you get +12% on minigames

[lilac gull]

You get 20% more results to your minigame when max, but not above 100%

[smoky sentinel]

So if you managed to get 50%, with gambler you'd get 62%

Max is still 100%, so it's useless because you can get 100% even without it

Also sometimes you don't want to get 100%, with mk11 characters you can't do krushing blows against terminators

Precision is the best one, with it you reach 100% combo ender chance

Usually rank 4 is enough for most characters, but some require a precision rank 5 for 100% chance on the second combo ender, like inj raiden

[frail fjord]

Thanks

[frail fjord]

Thanks

[frail otter]

no, they are wrong

gambler gives a bonus in damage to your mini-game result

example: your special does 10 damage, your mini-game gives you 100% damage, whichmeans another 10 damage

gambler will give a 20%(at lv5) bonus to that result, meaning another 2 damage

if your mini-game got 50%, which means 5 more damage, gambler gives you another 20% of that 5 damage, which is 1 damage more.

Here's the proof from in-game:

talent: 1 point in Tiger stance, 5 point in offence. 100% minigame on kenshi's sp1. Damage: 22.9k

same team comp, same equip, same enemy, Talent: 1 point in Tiger stance, 5 point in offence, 5 point in gambler, 100% mini-game result. Damage: 25.1K

@lilac gull @smoky sentinel

[lilac gull]

Ofc a improvement in mini game results it means a improvement in damage
That's what mini game does

[smoky sentinel]

Gambler does exactly what it says: more % on minigames

Not bonus damage

Bonus percentage

[frail otter]

the picture proves otherwise

both are +100%

but with gambler theres more damage

[lilac gull]

Yeah, but as you say, with 20% more damage you should have done 22.9k x 20% is 27.48, not 25.15, right?
Maybe is something else

I got you now
22.9/2 is 11.45
11.45 x 20% is 13.74
13.74 + 11.45 is 25.19
Interesting
So another unclear writing from NRS?

But in the end I still want to have precision, not gambler, it is much more efficient the combo ender
It leads to other skills of the character and to more damage also and to brutality or other abilities

[frail otter]

precision works better for some character, gambler is a bonus for pretty much all characters

I would pick gambler over precision

[smoky sentinel]

More combo enders = more damage

[lilac gull]

Don't you think that the increase in damage from gambler is less than the increase in damage from combo ender?

[frail otter]

not really

[smoky sentinel]

A special brutality combo ender deals massive damage

[frail otter]

how many times does precision give you a combo ender when not having precision does not?

[frail otter]

yeah it works better for some characters, not going to argue there

[smoky sentinel]

If you need precision for 100% combo ender chance, it means that you have 70/75% basic combo ender chance

[frail otter]

gambler is a 10% to your sp1 and 2 damage every single time

[frail otter]

are you certain about that?

[lilac gull]

Half combo ender I would say without precision

[smoky sentinel]

That's how maths works

[frail otter]

err...no?

[smoky sentinel]

If you need 25% for 100%, then you already have 75%

[frail otter]

how you know you didnt overshot?

and also you wont get a combo ender if you get blocked

the amount of damage bonus precision give is much less consistent

[lilac gull]

What is the base for combo ender chance, without precision

[smoky sentinel]

And you'll get less damage if they block the special. That point doesn't make sense honestly

[frail otter]

i dont know, I also dont know if precision can give a combo that doesn't have combo ender before a combo ender

[smoky sentinel]

Blockbreakers are a must anyway

[frail otter]

i disagree wholeheartedly

[lilac gull]

Facts

[frail otter]

i dont want to argue about block breakers, I personally hated them with a passion

[frail otter]

even when blocked gambler still gives a bonus damage, while precision does not

[lilac gull]

Only if you know extremely well all the movements of all the opponents you will be able to do clear hits without BB

[smoky sentinel]

OF COURSE if you don't use block breakers you won't be able to get more damage and combo enders, so precision is useless

[frail otter]

again i dont want to argue on that point, no doubt blockbreak is good, but thats not the point here. block breaker doesnt guruantee a combo ender

[smoky sentinel]

But for the normal player that use block breakers, precision is better

[lilac gull]

With precision it guarantees a combo ender

[frail otter]

not exactly, specials have more damage than basic attacks

[frail otter]

no it doesnt

i ve tried before

[lilac gull]

90% it does ig

[frail otter]

and some combos doesnt have ender inherently

[smoky sentinel]

But you can do more basic attacks in a match, or with some modifiers you won't be able to use special attacks

[lilac gull]

Some characters have only 1 combo ender

Most of them have 2

[smoky sentinel]

And for 100% chance on the second combo ender you need maxed precision

[frail otter]

i am not going to argue which is better here, it is up to you really

but you guys have severely underestimated gambler

just pointing that out is enuff here

[smoky sentinel]

Precision is still better imo

[lilac gull]

You are right, everyone has their opinions
I still think gambler is for the noobs who can't do 100 on mini game yet

[frail otter]

on the contrary, gambler effect is the strongest if you can get 100%

[lilac gull]

Right

[shell thorn]

That's very true, that doesn't change the fact that Precision is better tho

[frail otter]

I still stand otherwise, but let's agree to disagree

[lilac gull]

I am glad that you showed what gambler does
That was unclear to me until now

[jolly ravine]

Someone tell me a good talent setup

[frail otter]

my one is
offence: 1 mantis 5 gambler
defence: 2 bear 5 intim, centar, OIA, 1 Cyber, 5 revenant, shinnok
support: 1 boar, 5 spec op, 1 warlock, meditation 5 weakpoint attack

centaurian defence can be changed to shokan dominance if you want

warlock and meditation are replacable too

[lilac gull]

Mine is
Offense: 2 mantis, 5 precision, 5 LK tutorage, 5 BD training
Defense: 5 hawk, 5 stalwart, 3 shokan, 5 OIA tech, 5 cyber Lin kuei, 5 revenant, 5 bone shield
Support: 5 boar stance
This is a compromise talent tree good for survivor mode and also for SF team which I use in KWT.
JC is really good on damage when he has low health, and bone shield and revenant helps with that
Also boar stance is for SP1 of SFS

Breaking shield on stun

[clever pawn]

Personally, I will never take gambler builds seriously

[lilac gull]

It is a point of view, except gambler I like the set of Greatnature55
But he has his arguments

[frail otter]

gambler is a much more stable talent than precision honestly

gambler helps all characters, precision helps a few

people are underrating Gambler, like a lot

[lilac gull]

You should calculate how much you win with combo ender, including the fact that it helps you to fill the power bar

[frail otter]

i seldom do actually

i use kold war team the most and their style uses sp2 spam most of the time

[lilac gull]

This team is a exception for power generation

[frail otter]

but how much does precision help you get more combo ender, that is the question

you need to hit unblocked, have a combo ender and it doesn't trigger before precision

too much condition for my liking

and then you want your character to do something special rather than a simple combo ender

[lilac gull]

Precision helps 100% for both combo enders when a card has 2 combo enders
I never had any issues with that
You don't need to hit unblocked, you can hit blocked and unblock on the way
Then you do combo ender which is more damage and more power generation and trigger other benefits of the card

[frail otter]

100% is a gross overstatement

[lilac gull]

It's true
Always had this
You should try it with a block breaker gear

[frail otter]

maybe you need to understand gambler better

[clever pawn]

No, am not gonna fall in your imaginary build

[frail otter]

seriously im surprised how many people still dont know how gambler works these long time after it wsas made

[frail otter]

so what you use in your build then?

Tiger stance?

[lilac gull]

Let's be realistic, 10% more on a SP1 is for most cases not more than 2 final combo enders hits

[clever pawn]

You also depend entirely on rng to perform combo enders

[frail otter]

even with precision combo ender is not gurarnteed

i;ve tried it before

[lilac gull]

It is guaranteed 99%
Maybe you have tried with a card who doesn't have 2 combo enders

[frail otter]

I just feel extremely insulted by this comment

[lilac gull]

You don't have to take it too personal

I really like your working about Talent Tree
If you like more the gambler talent is ok

If some don't like it is also ok

[dapper igloo]

Everyone share your talent set up I wanna see please

[frail otter]

nah, my build is imaginary

[dapper igloo]

What?

[uneven dragon]

Thanks

[mossy robin]

how exactly does the talent of unbridled cruelty work ... that applies even if I break a block

🤔

[frail otter]

when the attack is unblocked, be it not blocked or block broken, you deal extra damage

[lilac gull]

Have you tested that?
Imo only unblockable attack like mk11 Sub0 sp2 for ex or sp3 does extra damage
But I didn't test it

[dapper igloo]

The whole talent set up I’m not new I just wanna see everyone’s talent tree

[graceful bolt]

U want to see it ?

[dapper igloo]

Yes

[graceful bolt]

@dapper igloo message me

[dapper igloo]

Uhh why? Just send your talent tree here

[graceful bolt]

tbh i dont

[dapper igloo]

Why?

[sharp plover]

I am wondering is it worth rebuilding the TT for this tower ???
There is no resurrection (That I know of at least).
So that kinda throws death mark out of the window.
Brutality is just cool !!! (But might be a waste of talents for this tower).
But for the sake of completing the tower, should I rebuild using WPA and bone shield and revenant ?
Focus less on offensive branch in my tree

[deft tapir]

imo offensive and support is much better than defence

[smoky sentinel]

I use only offense and support, no defense

[frail otter]

I wont take any TT that doesnt build defence seriously

[smoky sentinel]

Alright then

Skilled players don't need defense tree. No need for revenant if they can't hit you lol

[lilac gull]

Especially against bosses is much better the offense part of the TT
Usually you don't die against bosses, you just need as much damage as possible to kill them in 2 minutes

[sharp plover]

Interesting,.....
Might have to change to offense and support.

[lilac gull]

And if you have Sonya Blade KC for all the other fights you have the advantage of 1 player more than the opposite team

In Towers

[little mesa]

@smoky sentinel is there a talent that causes shield break on stun !??

Anybody ???

@keen widget ??

[keen widget]

@little mesa please dont tag mods unless there is an actual reason to do so

[smoky sentinel]

Boar stance

[little mesa]

There is a reason to tag 🤷🏻‍♂️

[little mesa]

Thank bro much appreciated 👍🏻

[keen widget]

Ok. Il put this another way. A valid reason.

[proven latch]

In the TT i just invested into attack and defense

[sharp plover]

Going to change my TT to offensive and support.
The question again is teamwork or spec op tactics

[smoky sentinel]

I use teamwork

[sharp plover]

Are you still using the same tree as you used in NT ?

[smoky sentinel]

I replaced deathmark with brutal ending, and boar stance with mongoose stance

[sharp plover]

Really ?
Mongoose ? Loads of gear can give better recovery.
I was thinking Boar or Horse. (But leaning more towards boar as KW Sonya has shield).

[smoky sentinel]

Kw sonya has shield only against the first special

Not worth wasting talent points to break it

And extra recovery is always good for survivor

[sharp plover]

If the blue swirly thing is the shield right ?
I see that alot.
I might stick with boar

Teamwork now refunds 10%, isn't that much lower than it used to be ?

[cold sorrel]

yes, better go for spec ops tactic for now

[sharp plover]

Damn it

[smoky sentinel]

It was bugged and gave 3x more than what was intended

[sharp plover]

Just rebuilt my tree, then found some bad choices, can't be bother to reset again.
I'll see what happens in the next few days, then change again

[frail otter]

recover now becomes much more relevant than before

recover used to be a useless stat that only hackers who hacked it to 100-fold would find it useful

[cold sorrel]

yep its more useful since the arrival of survivor

[frail otter]

no actually it is more useful because it was buffed

you used to be unable to feel its effect at all, but now if you tag out you can see that character significantly gaining health back after you tag him/her in after a while

[cold sorrel]

due to max of 220%

[vivid tiger]

Guys what’s the weak point attacks called in talent tree?

[dapper igloo]

it’s called weak point attacks in the support tree

[vivid tiger]

Attack support or defense

[dapper igloo]

support

[vivid tiger]

Ok ty

[dapper igloo]

np

[frail fjord]

I tried teamwork and spec ops and found they give me very similar results in the way I play. Teamwork is a little better if you keep a player in for a long time with regen, eg unstoppable Jason, or if you start with a lot of power and also if you play teams that snare a lot. So you can keep giving power to the others. Spec ops is better if you tag in and out a lot. And maybe better when you get down to only 2 fighters left. Teamwork would only be giving one other character any power.

[lilac gull]

Imo support has become not worthy after the last update on Talent Tree, except boar stance for specific cards
Offense and defense is much more relevant

[frail fjord]

Spot on.

[lilac gull]

In defense hawk stance 5 points, stalwart defense 5 points, OIA tech 1 point, cyber Lin kuei programming 1 point and revenant 5 points is enough and best
I noticed when you don't use bone shield also the teams you encounter have less bone shield
So the rest goes for offense, pretty full tiers untill brutal ending or death mark technique, except for 1st tier 1 point and the art of Tsunami 1 point

This is the best set for me

[sharp plover]

I changed my tree from offense and defense yesterday to offense and support.
After spending loads of rounds on 120 +
I am thinking I made a big mistake and I should have stuck with revenant and Bone shield.
Less chance for Shang to kill off my characters.

[dapper igloo]

I still use teamwork

[frail otter]

haha yeah I laugh at people who ditches defence

[smoky sentinel]

They can't touch me, so defence is useless for me

You build your tree around your playstyle

[dapper igloo]

@smoky sentinel I think you should tag them to know what you said

[smoky sentinel]

No need to do that, if they want to continue the discussion they'll check the channel

[lofty wharf]

Hawk Stance ? Bear Stance is hella Better

[smoky sentinel]

Debuff resistance is way better than some extra health

[tribal torrent]

Can anyone please tell me what is the use of that purple fragments that we get in shao khan tower(talents tower)

[reef hazel]

You use those to get Shao Kahn and fuse him every time Relic Hunt comes around

[wintry hazel]

Wait really ?

[reef hazel]

Yes

[wintry hazel]

I stopped doing that tower after I beat it the first time

How often does relic hunt come around

[reef hazel]

You keep fragments each time you play the tower
3 or 4 times a year

[deft tapir]

I just realized that I never sent it here, what do you think about it?

[lilac gull]

Personally I prefer hawk stance not boar stance
Offense part is very good
Chosing defense or support is up to you
I prefer a little bit more defense, like revenant for survivor mode
Your's support is oriented to faster SP1 and is also ok

[dapper igloo]

when you reset talents does it always increase the price xd

[smoky sentinel]

The cap is 12

[dapper igloo]

mk

[dapper igloo]

It's better if you reset it and max out relevance and bone shield and then go for offense

[frail otter]

I dont get this they cant touch me stuff. The game now makes your character lags so much that it impossible for avoid attacks altogether

[dapper igloo]

Oh I thought lagging is only with me cuz my net is going on a bit slow nowadays

[deft tapir]

Shields gives you almost nothing, it only annoys people at survivor

[frail otter]

shield has a high chance to proc from multi hit specials, gives you a good chance to pull of your unblocked combo, and is one of the few options to deal with those unblockable specials

[drifting olive]

My Talent tree tiers just unlocked on it's own without a single talent points on the 2nd to 4th tiers

[smoky sentinel]

How

That's not supposed to happen

At all

[reef hazel]

A new bug maybe? It's certainly a new one that's for sure....

[smoky sentinel]

It's not new

That was fixed with 3.0

[reef hazel]

Well, it wasn't fixed right lol

[dapper igloo]

No cause it’ll be the same thing

[dapper igloo]

Wait the bug I found somehow came back to 3.1 when it was fixed in 3.0

That’s crazy

[white pilot]

@smoky sentinel

Rapid response (10% sp1 boost ) or

BD Training (5% critical hit chance boost)

Which is better ?

[smoky sentinel]

I use maxed bd training

[white pilot]

👍

[dapper igloo]

Because it’s better if you use BD training if you don’t always use critical hit chance equipment or critical hit chance teams

[soft siren]

Hey everyone, I updated the talent tree guide with a talent tree setup made exclusively for Battle 160 of the Kold War Tower. Check it out (pinned messages -->)

[jade condor]

can someone give a good talent tree guide like in a google drive, im not too nee to the game im getting better and my current team is strike force johnny cage klassic raiden and covert ops cassie cage

[dapper igloo]

When is relic hunt coming?

[smoky sentinel]

Check the pinned message

[jade condor]

thanks

[turbid wadi]

I'm confused about the death mark technique its say increases further damage taken by 10% Is this apply to you or opponent?

[deft tapir]

you deal 10% more damage to the opponent who has death mark (as debuff)

[smoky sentinel]

Stacks up to 3 times

[turbid wadi]

its mean done not taken

[frail otter]

the character with the death mark on them takes more damage

your opponent's character was given the mark, they take more damage done by you

not that hard to understand

[delicate bone]

Savage 😂

[languid tinsel]

Man woke up and chose violence

[jade condor]

wow hachs talent tree is so perfect for me, weak point attacks for johnny cage and klassic raiden and more dmg for unblockable attacks

only downside is no revenant

[sharp plover]

For this tower, I am resetting TT every 10 levels or so.
It's just not right

[smoky sentinel]

I used the same for the whole tower

[sharp plover]

You da man

[barren spruce]

what is the bedt starting talent

[mighty stone]

it depends

on your play style

and characters

[lofty wharf]

I'd say Defense

You get Bonus Health + Other Stuff that keeps you from Dying

[torn glen]

Just wondering ,when i reset my talent tree it give me 100 points but some other players with the reset they got 102 points !!!!

[smoky sentinel]

Because they have 102 points

When you reset the amount of talent points doesn't change

[torn glen]

But i finish shao k tower loke everyone else

Like*

Where they got the other 2 points ??

[smoky sentinel]

Check the pinned message

[torn glen]

@smoky sentinel where to look for ?

[smoky sentinel]

The pinned message in this channel

[mental linden]

If you’re on your mobile swipe left and go to pins

[languid tinsel]

“Now Shao Kahn Tower gives one point per battle, total is 100, not 102 anymore.”

[smoky sentinel]

Some old players have more than 100 points

I have 107

[languid tinsel]

dang

[torn glen]

Thanks for information but i think it’s unfair 😔

[languid tinsel]

If you play longer you’re bound to have better stuff

[mental linden]

Is there a max for reset-cost on the talent tree? I heard the max you have to pay is 12 souls is that right?

[smoky sentinel]

Yes the max is 12

[mental linden]

Thanks @smoky sentinel

[torn glen]

With Equipment and character i do agree with you but woth talent points we should have equal opportunity

[smoky sentinel]

They resetted the points of everyone few years ago because there were hackers with 200+ points,

[torn glen]

To max out the tree ,we need 195 points

[frail otter]

Why do you have 107?

[smoky sentinel]

Because when the points resetted, i already had 7 points in my tree

[frail otter]

so a bug?

[smoky sentinel]

The devs said it's ok

[torn glen]

Any advice for tree set up to beat level 182

[lime tide]

Best talent tree to help in getting passed 182 in KW tower? I think I need more defense

[smoky sentinel]

If you need defense, then use shinnok's teachings and revenant

[lime tide]

I just mastered Shinnok with 1 token on revenant

[smoky sentinel]

Both should be maxed

[lime tide]

Do I need to master it?

Ok

[smoky sentinel]

If you use them, use them maxed, or else they're useless

[lime tide]

Better to have weak points and teamwork or brutality?

[frail otter]

brutality is not that useful i feel

[smoky sentinel]

If you don't have a brutality set, brutal ending doesn't work

[frail otter]

kind of too niche to depend on reliably

[smoky sentinel]

But if you have someone who can do brutality, then brutal ending is your best friend

[lime tide]

I have brutality set on my Liu Kang

[smoky sentinel]

Liu kang won't help in 182 against dark magic

[lime tide]

So weak points?

Wait, why not? I have Circle of Shadows LK (Netherrealm)

[smoky sentinel]

Ok then

You can use him to brutalize them

[torn glen]

What’s a best talent tree set up to pass 182 ( dark magic and regeneration ) 😢

[lime tide]

Lol, that's what I'm trying to do

I think having revenant and Shinnok is needed

[torn glen]

I’ve got both maxed but still struggling 😔

[wary delta]

Can you max out both defense and offense?

[smoky sentinel]

If you don't use any talent in support, yes

[barren spruce]

whats is the best talent

for starting

in support defence and attack

[soft siren]

read the guide, there are plenty of talent builds for different purposes

pinned messages are there --->

[robust elm]

If you use cards like Johnny who you would only spam sp1s with, use outworld scourge. Those free sp1s can do wonders.

[elfin vortex]

What talents are best for Kold War tower in general?

[lilac gull]

Hawk stance, Stalwart defense, cyber Lin kuei programming, revenant
Precision, Lin kuei tutorage, black dragon training, thunderous blows, Brutal ending if you have the brutality gears

[left saffron]

Does Reset cost anything?

[smoky sentinel]

First is free, then the max is 12

[left saffron]

So after 12 resets it's permanent?

[smoky sentinel]

No, 12 souls/ reset

[left saffron]

I also see your awesome setup in the guide. Pretty sharp

Oh phew. Good players can spare 12 souls to get what they need, like for KW tower which is brutal

[smoky sentinel]

The only stat we care about changing is changing the enemy's hp stat to zero

[lament fox]

How good is the KC’s 3.0 build

I like offence more than defence and it kinda suits my playstyle

[little dagger]

How long does weak point attacks snare last?

30 sec?

[frail otter]

lol not so long

[proven schooner]

I've noticed my talents work way more on auto battle I've only got three more points to get and I'll be done

[languid tinsel]

So I have 100 talent points and almost have a brutality from this tower, should I get DM or wait and see if I can get the other piece of brutality gear for brutal ending?

[unborn salmon]

E

[lime field]

Brutal ending

@languid tinsel

[reef hazel]

Deathmark, Brutal Ending is only good if you plan on using a lot of brutality characters

[quasi karma]

Death mark also increase your damage.

[dapper igloo]

You don’t have to plan on using it a lot of brutality to have it

[dapper igloo]

Death Mark is useless because it doesn’t apply as much as it use to before 3.0

[sudden bone]

Ok so I need a talent set for general use, which guide should I follow from the pinned messages?

Am a 1 month old player

[reef hazel]

I would follow Mand's tree to start out with, and then change to one of the others later as you develop your playstyle

[sudden bone]

I actually did Elder god draco's one

But he went for brutalitt one in offence

I don't have any brutalities sets or characters who can do

So should I go for Death Mark instead?

[smoky sentinel]

Yes, if you don't have brutalities you can replace it with deathmark for extra damage

[sudden bone]

Oh Thanks, am following your guide

[fierce smelt]

whats the max amount of points u can get

[smoky sentinel]

100

[fierce smelt]

damn

is there a point to doing the shao kahn tower then besides getting relics

redoing it*

[smoky sentinel]

Some souls, and soul fragments

You need a lot of fragments to max shao kahn

[frank vector]

1330 in total.

[wary delta]

[lilac gull]

Nice

[smoky sentinel]

Precision with less than 4 points is useless

No need to max lion stance

[broken ocean]

i wanted to spend some talent points on defense too, thanks i guess

[smoky sentinel]

Also, if you want to get the deathmark, max it

[broken ocean]

i really don't care that much about deathmark, is it recommended tho?

[smoky sentinel]

It's maxed or nothing

[broken ocean]

oh i see

[smoky sentinel]

Anyway yes, extra damage

And no resurrections

[broken ocean]

i can always reset talent points that's a good thing

[dapper igloo]

My personal preference is hawk stance maxed. It's amazing unless you run klk team

[broken ocean]

i want klk so bad :/

which packs do have him?

[dapper igloo]

Klassic pack and elite martial artists

[broken ocean]

thanks

and i might aswell reset my talent points again btw

[broken ocean]

do you know anything that i should get maxed in defense?

[smoky sentinel]

I defense i use only hawk stance and stalwart defense

[broken ocean]

ohh hawk stance

i've never used that one

resistance to all debuffs, i should go for it

[smoky sentinel]

It's never enough

[broken ocean]

because i usually use bear stance

[smoky sentinel]

Debuff resistance is better

[broken ocean]

i wonder who uses rhino stance, it looks pretty useless

[dapper igloo]

Revnant and shinnoks teachings also good if you have points and want to invest in defense

[broken ocean]

yeah exactly i use these two

bone shield and revenant

but when i spent my all my points a while ago, i accidently didn't max out revenant and went for a different one

so now i've finally just reset my talent points

should i use centuarian defense?

[lilac gull]

If you don't have good enough cards you can go for that chance of centaurian

[clever pawn]

Centaurian is only good for x ray reflect, but since teamwork underperforms now that they fixed it you dont really see x rays too often nowadays

[nocturne eagle]

Question, do you need brutal ending talent to perform a brutality?

Bc the gear on its own says it will perform a brutality if the last opponent lower than 25% hp

And brutal ending just says “any opponent under 25%”

So does that mean if I don’t have brutal ending talent, I can still do brutality but only on the last enemy teammate

[lilac gull]

Exactly

[tepid heart]

Do you have most/all of the brutalities and the diamond chars to use them? If so brutal ending if not death mark

[nocturne eagle]

I got 2 so far

Skarlet and Sonya

I mean I can always just move those points into recovery or some of my other talents

[sharp plover]

Want to try and rebuild my tree,...... again.
I can’t decide between intimidating presence or Reaver’s armor

[frail otter]

I will do anything in my reach to stop opponent's block breaker

[languid portal]

Shadow Sash /epic store
In talent tree there's an option as well to reduce unblockable. I think remember it being 3 or 4 into Defense??

[languid portal]

I've wondered 2. Ive been using reavers for tower and i.presence for survivor but thinking about switching to stalwart bc most newer players don't have their lethal built up and critical is more common.

[languid portal]

Did u buy the pack(s)? Or just good drops?

[neon ether]

survivor on fatal and elder tower usually have teams with damage reflect gear, bone shield, revenant, and tower gears. missile and frostbite are annoying in survivor. i hate it when ai have much higher chances in activation. i used sp1 with bd erron black 4 times in a row and all countered by bone shield by ai.

[nocturne eagle]

What pack

[dapper igloo]

Special offers

The one that requires money

[silent cloud]

How important is precision talent? I saw recomendations to have 4 in it, not maxed. What is the base chance for characters to do combo enders? I would still like to get teamwork even though it has been nerfed, so am looking for ways to scrape up some points. Thanx

[dapper igloo]

They say it's very important it increases combo chance by 35% I think

I have both precesion and teamwork maxed cuz I don't have brutality yet

[broken ocean]

when doing combo enders, you can also damage your whole opponent team

very useful

make sure to max out precision as you deal more damage and get extra power

[nocturne eagle]

No

[solar river]

Hey

This one works on the dying character, right?

[smoky sentinel]

Yes

[solar river]

If i have luck my card wont die for 5sec and i can tag out him?

Or after 5 sec will he/she die?

[smoky sentinel]

He'll remain with 1 hp

[solar river]

Hmm sounds good

Which talent is better at that level

That one or The spirit of vengenance or Nightwolf’s chain?

[smoky sentinel]

Revenant

The others are not so good

[solar river]

Okay

So the last level?

I think both of them are good

Shinnok’s teaching or Shalion last stand?

I saw many ppl go with shinnoks teaching for bone shield

[smoky sentinel]

Shinnok's teachings is better

[languid portal]

As far as I'm concerned, I build what I can, after I've maxed Revenant and Shinnoks teaching. I've used shaolins standb4 but I learned thru experience that Shinnoks bone shield is the most useful talent of all because it keeps u alive!

[glacial lava]

How do I get bone shield what path is it?

[smoky sentinel]

Last talent in the defense tree

[broken ocean]

go for shinnok’s teachings

[glacial lava]

Ok thanks

[frail otter]

Revenant beats everything else in that level by a landslide

Revenant is one of, if not, the strongest talent in the entire tree

[glossy palm]

what will the best to take
spec ops tactics or the teamwork

[soft siren]

Teamwork

[glossy palm]

okp

[cobalt tiger]

Isn't teamwork really bad now due to the nerf?

[clever pawn]

It underperforms heavily compared to before

[lilac gull]

Spec ops if you tag in and out often
Teamwork if you don't

[cobalt tiger]

I see

[ivory bane]

Guys where dos talents do work?

[smoky sentinel]

In every mode

[ivory bane]

Ok

[slim plover]

Hi, guys. Are these talents okay for Elder God Kenshi + Sub-Zero Triborg + Smoke Triborg?

[smoky sentinel]

Shinnok's teachings should be maxed

[slim plover]

No points left

What should I leave unused?

[smoky sentinel]

Remove points from shokan dominance and ghost armor, and use them for something else

[slim plover]

Thanks

Are there any not maxed useful talents in Support branch?

[smoky sentinel]

Mongoose stance and teamwork, teamwork should be maxed

[slim plover]

U are wise man and nice mod)

[sudden bone]

Uh hey Draco, your talent sets works everywhere right?

I mean the main things battle mode, Faction wars, Shao Kahn Tower

[smoky sentinel]

I use it for everything

[sudden bone]

Ok Thanks I'll do too

[broken ocean]

i'll show mine

i use offense and defence

anyone can take it for me, it gives pretty good damage and you'll get some revenant & bone shield aswell

well i can't show it right now hold on

[dapper igloo]

talents for defense?

O.I.A tech or ghost armor?

[sharp jay]

O.I.A

Tech 40% minus power drain

Ghost armor ain't that good anymore