#š²-talent-tree
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no i have gotten revenant twice on a character after tagging her out she healed a bit and came back and got revenant again
guess it was just luck
I had revenant before and after endoskeleton
Max hawk stance
honestly revenant, bone shield (shinnok's teachings), death mark, and weak point attacks are all that need to be maxed
others just upgrade once to save talent points
Death Mark is meh. Weak points I would use but I feel like itās for very for specific characters
yea, death mark isn't really important, it's just a bonus, it gone when enemy tag-out and u have to re-apply
also weak point attack is indeed important talent, but only if u use power drain card, otherwise? useless
maybe if u combine power drain + weak point attack + death mark, that would work perfectly good, but other than that, it's like what i said before
imo, the most important talent (for general usage) to max out is:
- Teamwork
- Precision (4/5 is enough)
- Revenant
- Centaurian Defense
then, quite important but less prioritize is:
- Bear Stance
- Horse/Hawk Stance
- Red Dragon Training
- Shinnok's Teaching
u may chose to focus on either offense, defense or support
but that first 4 that i mention is a must have for the best performance
@abstract wind terminally what Iām using
Agreed with those first 4 they are very important
I maxed out bear stance itās pretty op
Especially for guys like mileena, Scorpion since they have low health
Iām considering replacing shinnokās teachings with lightning blow (support tree, chance to cripple on sp1). Any thoughts?
... or perhaps with Precision (offence, higher chance for combo ender).
Precision doesnt sound that improtant, but once u get it to level 4 cz u really dont need it as 5, it will be really op espicially with characters that have 2 combo enders
yea, precision is the best deal that u can make @agile pelican
Thanks for the input. Iāll go for precision, especially since Iāll be using the characters with brutalities.
How do we got more talent point after completed shao khan tower 1 time?
@dapper igloo you can't. 100/102 is the max amount of talent point you can get
Ok, thank you
What is the benefit of talent point?
@dire nebula look at the second message pinned at #š-player-guides
**Exclusive Talent Tree Guide: **https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTJ1lkd3INKCw2QBJ_TbEMCJDu25NDJEaaX-s_Ckt_Sd_0lZX1m711VML76cH-6kBPHSO2vrt8I9Bmb/pub
How u get talent points
By playing shao kahn tower
@hollow blade I literally pinned the guide right before you commented
Read people, read, it's not hard
Toxic
._.
@soft siren Great work š š
Terminal human effort
@hollow blade I literally pinned the guide right before you commented
@soft siren it is heart u when someone ask?
@dire nebula if youāre not gonna take the time to read literally 1 post above then why should anyone take the time to help you out?
at least put in a little effort if youāre gonna ask for help
@dire nebula if youāre not gonna take the time to read literally 1 post above then why should anyone take the time to help you out?
@warm veldt
What u type above is just like useless
Plus we do lots effort to reach hear and reach highly level
If u have knowledge and u donāt want to share
Donāt share
._.
That effort doesnāt show when you canāt even bother to read the post above. Iāve gladly shared my knowledge about the game with any who has asked but it gets very tiresome when people ignore things because they donāt want to read
The knowledge is written in the compilation that has been pinned by hachie to help them who needed it to get the whole picture of what they're asking
I wasn't even rude lol. There is a difference, when people ask X thing that is on a guide, I always point them to the pinned guides, if they don't know how to open pin messages, I tell them.
Now, if I just put the link to a Talent Tree Guide and the very next message is "where to get talent points" is either the sender just didn't noticed it or laziness; reading the first thing you see when you open the chat takes less time to write a message and send it, don't you think?
Terminal
Hello there.
Is the talent points limited to 100?
Yes
@quick forge Thanks!
how do i get one of those bone shield things, where u are basically invincible for some time?
Shinnoks teachings at defence@dapper igloo
huh
@dapper igloo
hmm ok
Do you guys max out bear stance
Nope
Mostly yes, but sometime in specific stage of event tower not
it's great cuz bear stance boost all card's hp, which then boost success rate in Quest Mode too
Do you guys max out bear stance
@balmy otter I have bear stance maxed out
Increase health by 20%
25%
25% yes
Itās basically like putting a 25% extra health gear for all characters
@balmy otter
Which is really awesome
I wasn't even rude lol. There is a difference, when people ask X thing that is on a guide, I always point them to the pinned guides, if they don't know how to open pin messages, I tell them.
Now, if I just put the link to a Talent Tree Guide and the very next message is "where to get talent points" is either the sender just didn't noticed it or laziness; reading the first thing you see when you open the chat takes less time to write a message and send it, don't you think?
@soft siren As I have already told you, I am really glad you are here to help players. Those who donāt appreciate you replies are quite rude and maybe you should stop replying to them. You have always answered me questions and gave me information I didnāt know even though I have been playing for years.
I cant quite catch this. Is it the chance for dot to not take any effect?
Yeah
Dispell
sort of like dispell..but not fully...it wont dispell snare, curse shieldbreak or anything that doesnt have dot effect.
Thanks people
Terminal
Why is everyone going around and saying terminal everywhere.. its like a cancer. Terminal cancer.
Iām the one who says that until others copied @bronze merlin
Also I think if you look up the word terminal on google an example of it says terminal cancer
terminal
So yeah
An trying this "teamwork" strat
First do you have all the 100/102 points u need?
@shell thorn i have 100
That works and you are tryna make a Sp2 team right?
@shell thorn right
Imma send my beginner accounts talent tree
Hold up
That tree is superb
U don't really need bone shields
It might differ from a kollection to a kollection tho well see
@shell thorn they r pretty usefull
Whats more important than it?
They are usefull
But not required
Try this , this set is insane
Edenia's champion seems like a small deal but is insane
You will win battles you lost in your mind before you started
@shell thorn ill try it , but isnt shokan dominane better than centauran defense?
I mean for not being maxed out
It might just be me but I donāt think edenias champion is worth it
Also hawk stance is needed for debuff resistance.
<@&667853885146267649> ^^
@woeful rune ur being to wierd about this šš
@haughty dagger blocked specials don't deal that much damage anyways , reducing it by a % is not that useful in my opinion, in case of Centaurian defence suppose you are about to loose a match and the stupid ai uses X ray on you and reflects the entire damage
@woeful rune ur being to wierd about this šš
@haughty dagger?
@warm veldt the point is a sp2 talent tree
@wraith willow no leaks plox
@shell thorn ik but i said at lowest level, 4% is not even noticible
Once it would definitely help you
There are many equipment pieces that give you half off SP2 already. Is a full 100% really good enough to practically not have any other talent points
What I mean to say is 1k less damage won't be as useful as having a chance to reflect let's say 100k damage back
@warm veldt i still dont have these equipment espicially the FX ones
And even then edenia is only a small chance not 100%
I use Moloch's ball and chain along with edenia's champion and whoever I use it on gets 2/5 sp2s for free
Which in my opinion is broken
@warm veldt i can change it later, again, not that big of a deal
@shell thorn same
And with thunderous blows it's insane
You can't loose battles
Attack is always the best form of defence
What are thunderous blows?
Bone shields are ok, but I don't think that's better than the 10% chance
@haughty dagger extra damage of sp2
Like 26% something
I would only agree if SP2 was difficult to achieve which is not. Most golds get their SP2 very quickly to begin with
Oh ok i dont know the names š
@warm veldt well I always play with maxed out teams and it works splendidly
@warm veldt this is the pointt, am doing a tree that allows me to get good sp2 as often, to get lot of power for inactive characters
And SP2s usually do good enough dmg even without thunderous blows
Wouldn't wanna argue but try that once you would understand
@haughty dagger that actually works against it. If you donāt use up energy then your characters wonāt be receiving energy used
How easy it is to win FW fatals all the time
@warm veldt actually u have a point, i can just get it at 10% no need to upgrade jt
@warm veldt ye but i need sp2, cz special one doesnt give much energy
There are some characters that rely on SP1 though. Like JC, Kitana, Scorpion, Kenshi etc. but i actually get X Rays just by spamming sp 1.
But I like my talents spread out so it can pretty much be useful for any team I use. Lately Iāve been thinking of trading out Bone Shield for weak points š¤
imo, the most important talent (for general usage) to max out is:
- Teamwork
- Precision (4/5 is enough)
- Revenant
- Centaurian Defense
then, quite important but less prioritize is:
- Bear Stance
- Horse/Hawk Stance
- Red Dragon Training
- Shinnok's Teaching
u may chose to focus on either offense, defense or support
but that first 4 that i mention is a must have for the best performance
@haughty dagger for a reference
Defenders Bulwark is the way to go
Defenders
@dapper igloo dont u have more talent pts?
Reser talents
And start with defense
Defense is still the best, and everyone agrees on that
Its up 2 u tho
Just an advice
At least try gettinf revenant in defense
In it one of the best if not the best talent
I did the same mistake when I started.
also why not choose bear stance @dapper igloo
Bruh
Gambler would be useful only if you play as ronin team with kenshi in particular using his kenjutsu
Preferably doing sp2 whilst kenjustsu is on will terminate
Gambler won't add in 100% total percentage rite?
Like. Even if u have gambler and u did 100% in minigame. The minigame value will still be 100% cuz it's the maximum value of it
Or it's surpassed 100%?
Why didn't you go for precision
Scared of jade?
@livid schooner use teamwork itās good trust me
Cuz with teamwork, each time u use sp attack, it gives some power to the other 2 inactive teammate
Afaik, each bar spent give around 30% bar of power if teamwork talent is maxed @livid schooner
I couldāve chose focused, because if you think about it, itās kinda good
Teamwork makes it easier to reach x Ray
x-ray trash though,i only use it for aesthetics
Xrat is really only useful against jades
How much % when teamwork is maxed? 10% or more ?
10
I have a trash one tbh
imo, the most important talent (for general usage) to max out is:
- Teamwork
- Precision (4/5 is enough)
- Revenant
- Centaurian Defense
then, quite important but less prioritize is:
- Bear Stance
- Horse/Hawk Stance
- Red Dragon Training
- Shinnok's Teaching
u may chose to focus on either offense, defense or support
but that first 4 that i mention is a must have for the best performance
@dapper igloo for a reference
Shinnokās teaching is essential
imo, it only useful againts chaining sp type like scorp (stun) and sub-zero (freeze), outside of that it's useless
and in some scenario like event tower, which u knew the enemies and u need a little boost from either offense or support talent to win the stage, shinnok's teaching isn't really needed, hence why i consider it as "quite important but less prioritize"
Can someone give me their best talent tree layout?
@dapper igloo
Go with defense and support
They are best
@sour panther why not offense?
Well
They don't seem much useful comparing to defense and support
Just master centurain defense,revenant and shinnok training in defense and in support
Horse stance,teamwork and weak point attacks and lighting blows
Can someone give me their best talent tree layout?
@dapper igloo There is no single "best" Talent tree, alot does depend on your style of game play, there are some recommendations, but no one size fits all silver bullet tree
what talents would go well with the most used cards i use: Inferno scorp, hanzo, injustice2, jade, mk11 raiden, kombat cup johnny and covert ops cassie cage?
(offensive)
i have 33 talent points
okay..
1 for Tiger stance
Then max precision
And then pick either rapid response or thunderous blows
4/5 precision is enough
max them if there's still talent point left
ok i got it. thanks tho
@dapper igloo do u have cyromancer armor
Team work is really good.I upgraded it max today after resetting my previous more inferior talent tree.With the help from kombatants i am building a better one.With the help of teamwork i performed 3 x rays in a single match without any power generating equipments.
@hybrid jewel that wouldnāt be a wise decision to do it on T model
I don't use x ray on cybernetic models.I will beat them to termination.Much fun
How so?
OOOOH
Is mkx down for everyone
Liu kang
@long warren He is my fav character
Y do U asked
@long warren what's ur team
@long warren oh nice
What fusions
I just beat SHT level 50 while super under powered
Should I do the rest of the support section with the rest of my talent points or do the offense?
I have nothing in the offense
@soft siren ?? Help lol
Depends heavily on your playstyle
And the characters you use the most
We recommend to boost defense and support, leave the offense factor to the equipment.
Thatās actually a really good idea
Ok then Iāll use them all on that thatās what Iāve been doing so far anyways
I donāt have any specific characters I use either I use like all of em
Yeah, the recommended talent tree path aims to a general purpose gameplay
if it's possible, try to pick at least precision 4/5 from offense. u'll be really glad to pick it after some battle @paper thorn
Helps with inj2 raiden or anyone that does something on combo Enders
hello everyone, how does my talent tree should be?
oh nvm, just saw the recommended path
Defense: Bear Stance, 5 points, defenders bulwark, 1 point, shokan dominance, 1 point, O.I.A tech, 1 point, Cyber Lin Kuei programming, 1 point, Revenant, 5 points, Shinnokās Teaching, 5 points. Thatās my defense talent tree
I maxed everything in defense except red dragon training because I don't have any points
I maxed out all defense, Team Work, Hawk Stance, Precision and Rapid Response for the other trees
@woeful rune why did U choose red dragon training
@balmy otter because stun and power drain resistance is so good. Every time I fight CoS Liu Kang I barely get stunned
Red Dragon Training + Hawk Stance= 40% power drain and Stun Resistance
I maxed out offence but then I completed Shao Khan's tower..is there any way to get more talent points?
Is it better to get attack or health for talent tree?
Depends on your style and the characters that you use the most.
I use a gold mk11 team
I prefer health more than attack
imo, the most important talent (for general usage) to max out is:
- Teamwork
- Precision (4/5 is enough)
- Revenant
- Centaurian Defense
then, quite important but less prioritize is:
- Bear Stance
- Horse/Hawk Stance
- Red Dragon Training
- Shinnok's Teaching
From Rendz#7370 @dapper igloo
Great
@dapper igloo I think this one works good for towers
You can choose to change rapid response for shinnokās teaching but itās completely up to you
Yea Cool talent tree
also change the weak point attack to desired dots buff and black dragon training if not mainly use power drain
Awesome, thank you, Rn I can't but gonna check it all up in an hour, thx y'all, for real
@abstract wind weak points is less about the power drain and more about the snare to target 1 enemy at a time
yea, but to activate the snare u need to use power drain @warm veldt
Yeah but for towers it makes it a lot easier to target 1 at a time especially against bosses
Or else if you get them all low you can be on the receiving end of 3 X Rays in a small period of time
indeed, that's why i said change it only if not mainly use power drain
what do i needa upgrade?
how should I prepare for the tower
this the type of characters im rockin
how much talent point did u have swervo?
@dapper igloo Kenshi + weak points will help you beat normal tower atleast
aight how do i get weak point or whateve
u've not cleared SK Tower yet?
nope,
Scroll up a bit and see the talent tree I posted
im pretty new
will i have enough for weak point and revenant? and bone shield or no
i think the best bet for u is remove that shinnok's teaching for 10 talent point free
then use it to max hawk stance and teamwork talent of support tree
i see the post but idk what they mean
Yeah tbh bone shield wonāt really help you
The bosses pretty much kill in 1 SP attack
yea, u don't have maxed talent point so u won't be able to follow deadshot's talent tree build
first of all do the exact same thing with the offense
that i had before?
yep
Yep also next get weak points and teamwork
1 lion, 5 talent point and 4 precision
so wait
i doubt sacrificing revenant for weak point attack is good for him tho
yea, it's done
move to support first
okok
do 1 hawk, 5 talent point and 5 teamwork
1 hawk, 5 talents to unlock the next and max teamwork?
yep
i mastered it
how much talent point is left?
i have 43 left
Hell only be able to get revenant from there
actually, from here it's up to u to chose revenant or weak point attack
since u can't have both atm
chance to snare from power drain
actually, from my experience, i would take revenant over weak point attack, cuz it's more important imo
Weak points requires 22
so u've decided it?
yeah, revenant is a safe option
So heāll have 21 points to apply on other talents including centurion defense
yea, it's either centurion + revenant or centurion + weak point attack
im confused
But your choice @dapper igloo use your remaining 3 points on cent defense if you choose revenant
centuarian
3rd column on defense
yep
Yeah
ok i'll get 3 talent points soon i can battle 3 more times in a couple min
so the rest is, use 25 talent point to advance the next tier while taking:
5 bear stance, 1 defender's bulwark, 5 centaurian defense, 1 oia tech, 1 cyber/red dragon and 5 revenant
that would be 43 talent point spent
i have 8 talents left
5 on bear stance?
okay
i perfectly maxed them out
got 0 talents left
yep, perfectly spent š
u could either spent the rest of talent point u'll get for more offense (sp, dot, crit) or support (mainly weak point attack)
is this talent tree also very hood in fw?
it's good everywhere
okay imma keep this
and when I get a lot more talents i'll prolly think about upgrading my offense or support
i like the defense atm
imma test it out rn in fw
hope u enjoyed it
@dapper igloo if you donāt care for weak points then this is how Iād use the rest of your talent points
even at my early play, i do much experiment too, a lot of reset talent, testing, until finally i found the most important talent to have as a basic template
pretend im goin against shirai ryu tower opponents, would I beat them? especially with the new talentree
most likely yea
and also... is there some sort of reward at the end of sh tower?
20 fragment and some soul for SK tower completion reward
some souls? how much we talkin
You're better armed than me for SK, Swervo
20 frags, ooo thats a lot
You surely will
idk, can't recall it rightly, around 20-30ish ig
appreciate it ā @dapper igloo
pretty good ngl @abstract wind
I got stuck at 80somethingth for a long time
indeed
My strongest was a f3 or f4 hanzo
dang.
But I fought my fckn way up
also is the shao khan's helmet in this tower?
I did got it there
But it's not set
Its mere luck
okay okay
oh
I got wraths hammer through buying equip packs tho
hope i get lucky š¤
same xd
could i have a chance to get bojutsu staff in SKT
Maybe
okay
well imma try
cya, gotta play my 3 games
i should use jade instead of ninjutsu just to snare
Also works
My personal advice is to have a heavy hitter first
Any character that can hold them against the ropes
While any with brainblowing spec attacks regenerates power in the meantime
Attack Jason enough for him to tag out, and get Quan Chi trapped with Jade's sp1
Then use the other two characters' specs to prevent him from resurrecting anyone else
There you'll have a big chance
this talentry is amazing, how did my jade get sp2 when I tagged out from her like 2 seconds ago and my kenshi has sp3 wow i love this
@dapper igloo Jade, have wrath hammer on her so i can immediately snare the opponent and than tag to my scorpion for sp1 spam than kenshi for power drain if necessary
i love this i love this i love this, i get xray SO FAST!!! omggg i think i might now have a chance to beat the normal difficulty at least
@dapper igloo yeah teamwork gets you x Rays!!!!
infinite supplies of xrays, omggggg, molach's ball and chains would also be op
this feels unfair xD
i have officially become op
@dapper igloo Jade, have wrath hammer on her so i can immediately snare the opponent and than tag to my scorpion for sp1 spam than kenshi for power drain if necessary
@dapper igloo great call, thats a good one
Havent tried the talent tree yet, im bout to write everything before reset
aiight u should use it
it's free xrays sp2
its rly overpowered
@dapper igloo if you donāt care for weak points then this is how Iād use the rest of your talent points
@warm veldt do you recommend this tree only for newer players or is it your ideal talent tee layout
@dapper igloo I think this is good for new players and veterans. But once you have a specific team you like using you can modify your tree to suit a certain team you like using.
That is actually the tree I use and one that helped me a lot in FWs
I mainly use my triborg team. Iāll try your tree layout see what I think
Cool youāll get x Rays very quickly by spamming sp1s
But triborgs with weak points and smoke Triborg on there is also very OP
Still can't guess how is it possible to get x Ray's quicker
Geez , sounds too good to be true
Th
*thx
@dapper igloo 10% of the power you use goes to inactive team mates with teamwork talent
So imagine 10% of the X-ray or SP attack 2 you use going towards your team
It adds up quickly
I currently have boosted my sp2, this talent thing where u choose to boost either sp1 or sp2
Is it included in your talent tree?
Tbh you could use either SP1 dmg boost or SP2. But I use SP1 dmg boost because SP2 dmg boost already does insane dmg and usually kills most
That's a good point, this discord server is hella educational
Oh with triborg sub I use at least 8 spc 1 attacks
Yeah when I use triborgs with my talent set up I get at least 2 x Rays a match
ok
Paranoid question. If I reset talents it definitely gives me back all the points I have spent? I didnāt really think of good pathways and want to change it around to something smarter
Yup you will get your all points back
@fluid prism Thank you
I already finished SK tower once, and currently on 2nd go around but Iām not getting any talent points. Is it only a max 100 talent points from the 1st time clearing the tower???
@viscid cloak yes 100 is max limit for true players from towers hacker can get as much as they want. And only 1st time cleaning tower you got talent point
If you have more than what is norm (101), say 106 will it refund all tokens?
@iron bone Ahh, thank you
Under support. Which nod will benefit me the most. New in game please help
Today i finished SK tower
Well done @iron bone , keep at it for the fragments.
That mean i will still get fragments as rewards in SK tower after finishing it.
Yes. Not talent points, though.
@agile pelican thanks,
Getting only fragments also useful to get shao khan and fusssed him to max
hiya guys, i already completed shao kahns tower and in this second run im not getting talents
is there anything i can do to get more?
also, @warm veldt , i followed your talent tree suggestions, but noticed that i lack of talents to i have to choose between reaching Shaolin's last stand, OR weak point attack (which makes me to spend less power in sp1)
@dapper igloo You canāt get more talents
is it okay if i miss weak point attack?
@dapper igloo You canāt get more talents
ow, sh*t
@dapper igloo you donāt have to max all the talents you pick, though. You can buy 1/5 just to get to the next tier, for example.
Thx, I'm gonna check which item I can lessen
The best telent in the game is "teamwork"
What about revenant or shinnoks teachings
They give you chance of bone sheild and revenant but teamwork give greanty to power sharing
Does anyone know the max talent points you can get in mk mobile
Is it 100?
I saw people that have 102?
they changed total amount to 100. it was 102 previously.
Whaf is the perfect power generation talent tree? Can anyone send me a picture please?
I would upgrade defense first putting one point into almost everything then when you reach revenant and shinnoks teaching you spend five points on that
Whaf is the perfect power generation talent tree? Can anyone send me a picture please?
@dapper igloo Teamwork on support if you use a any special attack it goes to the your teammates
The max talent points are 100 now? Does anyone know if you have a little more points, will you get them all back if you reset. Im nervous to reset and loose points.
You will get them all back,when you reset
(Let it be 100/101/102 or something else)
What the fk...damn it
Is my game broken, or is NRS being cheap bastards again only allowing 100 talents? Iām on my second run and havenāt gotten a single one! All that time and effort spent on the tower (especially those who donāt have many fused characters) and they dint even let you max your talents???
@dapper igloo Thatās been like that since Shao Kahnās Towerās introduction. There will be no more talent points than 100. You canāt max every talent. Itās about choosing talents that fits your style wisely.
And you can see guide for that in Pins
Thats annoying. I thought completing it also gave you one Shao Kahn card ?
No. SKT is for collecting fragments to unlock Shao Kahn when Relic Hunt came.
how do i get the snare on power drain thing
Weak Point Attacks on support
Does Ediniaās Champion stack with Molochās Ball?
hey
You will get them all back,when you reset
(Let it be 100/101/102 or something else)
@fluid prism yea
When reset it gives back 102
@outer viper yes
@haughty dagger thank you
So can we get more than 100 talent points in the tower!??
102
@warm veldt i have 100 only...
Now Shao Kahn Tower gives one point per battle, total is 100, not 102 anymore.
@tacit torrent @haughty dagger from: hachie

imo, the most important talent (for general usage) to max out is:
- Teamwork
- Precision (4/5 is enough)
- Revenant
- Centaurian Defense
then, quite important but less prioritize is:
- Bear Stance
- Hawk Stance
- Red Dragon Training
- Shinnok's Teaching
u may chose to focus on either offense, defense or support
but that first 4 that i mention is a must have for the best performance @little berry for reference
Thanks
Horse stance is kinda usefull as well paired with teamwork@abstract wind
ye, i was considering Horse/Hawk stance before. but after i did some testing, i found that the difference isn't that big, hence why i changed my mind and erase that from the 2nd top 4 @haughty dagger
here is my data about horse stance experiment if anyone would like to know about it:
[power generation] : time for inactive teammate to reach [1bar] [2bar]
power gen default
100%: 26s 54s (silver)
106%: 25s 51s (sr takeda)
108%: 24s 50s (k jacqui)
130%: 26s 54s (mk11 scorp)
136%: 25s 51s (k reptile)
power gen default + maxed horse stance (+10%)
100%: 24s 49s (silver)
106%: 23s 47s (sr takeda)
108%: 22s 46s (k jacqui)
130%: 24s 49s (mk11 scorp)
136%: 23s 47s (k reptile)
It looks like it isnt that much of a change, but when u get the x% power from teamwork its kinda effective
in the end, maxed horse stance only makes that lil difference, and it's back to kombatant's preferences to pick either a lil bit of power gen that isn't make a significant change or 20% debuff resistance which is very useful but have it's own downside as well (it's only a chance, so it's not always work)
in the end, maxed horse stance only makes that lil difference, and it's back to kombatant's preferences to pick either a lil bit of power gen that isn't make a significant change or 20% debuff resistance which is very useful but have it's own downside as well (it's only a chance, so it's not always work)
@abstract wind still though a lot of characters have debuff resistance gears and thereās always that tremor mask. So you could reach 50% with golds and 70% with others. And šÆ with diamonds whose gear give debuff
Plus if you get red dragon training thatās 40% stun and power drain resistance for all of your characters
yep, that's why i do prefer hawk stance more
@hazy sorrel
Alright will reset and try again in 8 hours i guess
GL
Its just irritating because of SF Scorp otherwise i would be on my 2nd run of Fatal already
Also, my strategy was to build up enough power to use cassie xray (by using the talent teamwork) before the enemy uses any. With smoke it allowed her to steal a bar and a half of all their power and give it to my team.
Weak Point Attacks FTW @fathom geyser
Yh, its the best talent to use in fatal tower.
Unless its a team that is immune to power drain
or decent power drainer is non-existent in the roster
Why is everyone talking about teamwork and no one is talking about centered
Because teamwork is on another level. The other talents at the same branch of teamwork are useless. With teamwork, you'll have X-Rays like a crazy, useful specially on towers.
Teamwork and Triborg Smoke? No way, your team will be an X-Ray machine
Thanks
This is my talent and it helps with tower and when bosses use fire dot their duration is low
Best build for support? can anyone help out on this
You are good on support.... Weak points attacks yea most important for this tower...> Best build for support? can anyone help out on this
@slow aurora
Best build for support? can anyone help out on this
@slow aurora you can use mine if ya want
@dapper igloo btw it's not that big of a deal, but 4/5 precision is enough for 100% combo ender
Imo this is the best tree for all characters in general, not targeting a single type @dapper igloo
U can replace horse stance with hawk stance as well
Ah thanks ill try it out
not targeting a single type yet u pick weak point attack which only usable for power drainer card? @haughty dagger 
the true best non-targeting single type talent would be focusing on offense and defense while getting hawk/horse stance + teamwork in support
@abstract wind yea, cz lot of characters have powerdrain, and especially with infernal chains and bloody tomahawk which have power drain on sp1
not relatable for those who lacks decent power drainer card and high fused Chains and BT in their roster
For BT, these type of gear can be easily got ,even maxed within 2 months, so it's not that much of a problem,plus, if some1 lacks those, just dont get weak point attacks and try getting some other talents in defense 5/5
But again, shouldn't be that much of a prob
Check the pinned message in this channel
there is a guide about shao kahn tower and relic hunt
Guys what does 20% life drain mean?
Donāt know
20% of the dmg you do u reveive as dmg i think
How to active snare in talent tree?
Weak point attacks
Does anybody know the best talent tree in mkx?
Well
I want to beat the normal shirai ryu tower stage 100
Do you guys frequently change talent tree according to opponents or is it fixed in one pattern?
I usually leave one setup for towers, then when the towers disappear, I change to another setup for Faction Wars and so on. It would be good to frequently change talent tree if there are battles where you are stuck, but you will need souls for that.
If it is not too much to ask, can you show me your different Talent tree setups for faction wars and Towers?
For faction wars I use the recommended talent path for beginners which is in the guide, because it gives revenant, bone shield, etc which is mandatory
and for the shirai ryu tower I use a SP1 oriented talent path, let me find it
I imitated this talent tree setup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T27gEvZs2Y
Thanks bro
I imitated this talent tree setup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1T27gEvZs2Y
@soft siren This one is very useful. I mostly use klassic Liu Kang SP2, so i modified it little bit. Easily won battle 100 FSRT.
got weam points attack maxed
now instead of using inj2 raiden's sp2 for snare imma use kc johnny's sp1
and imma replace inj2 with tt
:/
so..which is the best talent tree for this tower?
What happens when you press āreset talentsā? Do you gain back all your talent points?
@dapper igloo all of the talent points you spent will be refunded back to you
What happens when you press āreset talentsā? Do you gain back all your talent points?
@dapper igloo and the talents will reset
Which better? The middle, first one or the last one?
precision @tiny minnow
Ok
@dapper igloo and the talents will reset
@storm stag I think i lost 2 points though. I'm pretty sure I used to have 102 points and now I only have 100 points left.
Dix u use 2 talents?
@dim kindle you only get talent points during first run of Shao Kahn's Tower
Hi guys
Can you tell me how to make bone shield longer? Or does it just last for 5 seconds?
Can you tell me how to make bone shield longer? Or does it just last for 5 seconds?
@tender python you can't. Once it's maxed, that's it.
Thank you
Yw
How team work in use
My characters don't reflect sp attacks again what did I do wrong
I tried to max out weak points tactics so I couldn't locate where to max for reflected sp attacks
Someone help me
@quaint oak Defense :
Tier 2 - Defender's Bulwark = 55-75% Chance to reflect 50% damage of each hit while Stunned
Tier 3 - Centaurian Defense = 4-20% Chance to reflect 100% damage from Unblockable attacks
Support :
Tier 7 - Lin Kuei Reverence = 10-30% Chance to reflect 100% Special Attack 1 damage when blocking
Tier 7 - Shirai Ryu Reverence = 4-20% Chance to reflect 100% Special Attack 2 damage when blocking
It's all on the guide
for offense you will have to decide if to prioritize SP1 or SP2, so the paths will be different
@valid dagger can I see your talent tree
And Iāll show mines to see if your will help in towers
Do you do Shao Kahnās towers
?
Because you need too trust me
And you need teamwork
@soft siren can I send a YouTube link to @valid dagger so he can know all of the talents?
Ard
can anyone help me that I have completed shao kahn towwer! I have 100 talent points bt in a youtube video I have seen that he has 102 points ! How can i get the remaining 2 points
@brisk galleon It used to be 102, but later changed to 100. So, only older players who collected those before that change have 102 talent points.
Oh š„ŗ
@brisk galleon It used to be 102, but later changed to 100. So, only older players who collected those before that change have 102 talent points.
@hardy girder yea because I still have 102
When I refund them
what is ur main team? @thorn pebble
Change it to this set up:
Offense: Precision (4/5), and Rapid Response
Defense: Bear Stance, Centaurian Defense, and Revenant
Support: Teamwork, Meditation and Weak Point Attack
max all listed thing above, aside of that, only put 1 point
it's the best sp1 power drain talent tree set up @thorn pebble
if u change ur mind and want to change P Kenshi with SR Takeda (hence no power drain), change the Meditation and Weak Point Attack into Black Dragon Training and Death Mark Technique (this is my current talent tree set up with CO Cassie, SR Takeda and K Jacqui)
Boi the thing is I like the talents I have -_-
again, it's up2u
i'm just telling u the best thing that u could do to maximize ur team potential š
SF Scorp had power drain on tag and I could put Specter chains....
Teamwork talent on support tree
Should I max Precision, Rapid Response, or Hawk Stance (I got 6 tokens left and I got everything else I wanted tbh)
Should I max Precision, Rapid Response, or Hawk Stance (I got 6 tokens left and I got everything else I wanted tbh)
@sour plinth precision
Hello everyone, I would like to know how the talent distribution is at freedy Krueger.? Greetings from Cologne
Iām not sure how I should approach the talent tree. The last time I played it wasnāt even around. I tried looking up guides online but I see a lot of different opinions.
imo, the most important talent (for general usage) to max out is:
- Teamwork
- Precision (4/5 is enough)
- Revenant
- Centaurian Defense
then, quite important but less prioritize is:
- Bear Stance
- Hawk Stance
- Red Dragon Training
- Shinnok's Teaching
u may chose to focus on either offense, defense or support
but that first 4 that i mention is a must have for the best performance
for reference @pure tiger
@abstract wind Which stance would you recommend under support? And would I just do 1/5 for it?
Idk which nodes on the way I should pick and how much I should upgrade them
then, to start off how much is ur total talent tree point?
23
and what kind of card do u play most (power drain/sp1 oriented/sp2 oriented)
I play KW Sonya and Scorpion a lot so definitely s2 Iād say
u're limited with what u can get with ur current talent tree point, so i'd suggest u to complete Shao Kahn Tower or just play it as furthest u could reach to get more talent tree point
Ok will do any suggestions for the time being?
for now, i think the best for u is to pick this route:
Offense: Lion/Tiger stance (1/5), +add (bottom left corner button) 5 talent point to unlock 2nd tier and Precision (4/5)
Support: Hawk Stance (3/5), +add (bottom left corner button) 5 talent point to unlock 2nd tier and Teamwork (5/5)
Ok will do any suggestions for the time being?
@pure tiger sure, just ask here, and i believe there's a lot of people will help u out, or just ping me by then
@abstract wind ty so much š
After maxing defense what should tree should I focus on next?
Anyone speaking taco Bell?
go for at least Precision (4/5) in offense and Teamwork (5/5) in support. then the rest is up to ur playstyle and preferences @oak hamlet
im currently on 97 on shao kahn tower after i finish it when redoing again does it still give talent points
check pinned message @fleet ibex
got it thanks
@haughty dagger what use in offence talent... I don't know still I didn't use it ... I only talent use in defence and support
@abstract wind precision - what use??
To increase the chance of triggering combo ender @dapper igloo
@abstract wind if I use block breaker equipment continuelly combo ender against my opponent.. so there is no need for precision I guess
Without precision, u have higher possibility to not triggering the combo ender, hence u might get f*ed up sometimes @dapper igloo
Just to be sure, combo ender is that one swipe action after basic attack moveset
@abstract windwell.. but you said "some times" it doesn't matter to me.. thank you for your information... Probably in future I will use the talent. (Precision)
Block breakers are the best imo
That's why none of the FW weapons appeal to me at all
@dapper igloo I only use precision, I mainly focus on defense and support, my tree is above, swipeup and u can see it
@haughty dagger yea I saw... In support I use hawk stance and spec op tactics ... It's better to me.. if you want speedily fill the power bar then use this talent. Most of the player's neglect this talent...
Yea it's really good especially for bosses were u can just spam xrays
Overall then support is better over offense tree?
Offense isnt that good, I mean it is, but defense and support(till weak point attacks only) are bettet
R
Precision Is the only talent worth in offense imo @oak hamlet
Alright so mostly support next thanks
the only worth talent after Teamwork in support is Meditation + Weak Point Attack Combination, that only suitable for sp1 power drainer type. if u didn't main this team type, offense is def the best thing to go @oak hamlet
Yeah defense is almost maxed just got bone shield to get
I reset my talent tree
Should I do mantis stance or lion stance in offense
I got 45 points left after maxing my defense tree
Max horse stance and teamwork, and get to wake point attacks in support
@slate frigate
I have never used talent tree
What is it used for? Can anyone explain me what talent tree is for
Itās like your extra passive abilities or something which helps you in the fight.
@broken ocean When you earn the talent point. Youāll go to the talent tree, use the point to open a tier. Thereāre lot of tiers in there for you to choose what you want to open. Each tier contains a special technique, skill, abilities, whatever. Itāll be fully explained to you when you click on it.
Ohh thank you so much
Btw there are skills that are almost a must so don't just spend them all
Ok
Like in defense you definitely want revenant and Shinnoks teaching which as at the very end max them out but others just put 1 point in them
You can read the pinned message on this channel
Any suggestions about centurian defense?
Best characters the benefits from that are jade and cos quan Chi... And it good...
Does talent tree make all characters go better?
@broken ocean Your chars will have more passive abilities, which will help you get the advantages in the fight.
Therefore your chance of winning is more significant.
What talent tree should i do cause i have no clue where to start
If you see pinned messages there is very good guide for talents. Path depends on style and characters, maybe give us more information
What talent tree should i do cause i have no clue where to start
@grizzled fulcrum in the towers i consider teamwork and weak point attacks a must have, also max the defense tree to get revenant and boneshield
What talent tree should i do cause i have no clue where to start
@grizzled fulcrum i would first go with maxing bear stance and then max teamwork and move your way to weak point attacks
I just discovered talent tree and i have 60 talent
Can you give me hints or what to do?
check pinned message
So I am using a fun team of MK11 Raide n, Klassic Raiden and Injustice 2 Raiden. Not sure how to set up a tree for this team. Can any one suggest a set up?
^^
@tired fable I use Injustice 2 Raiden too because he is fun to play aswell, what I used to make it better for offence was Lion Stance, Precision and Black Dragon Training
It gives you more damage for basic attacks, a better chance for combo ender and gives you chance for critical hits
Especially for Injustice 2 Raiden, since his first combo ender is long. It gave more chance which made it more fun
It gives you more damage for basic attacks, a better chance for combo ender and gives you chance for critical hits
@broken ocean good point. For this seriously OP team I am going to completely disregard Defense tree, maybe except the health talent if I have tokens left. So attack and most of support will be maxed
I only maxed revenent and bone shield in defense the others just 1 point and don't really pay mind to what they do
Teamwork is really good in support
There is a big "Reset talents" on your top-right corner
It cost some souls to reset, I think.
Does it only affect certain characters
It's just 12 souls
He only got 2. @soft siren
That talent Warlock spells is good if you're using certain characters like ravenous mileena, blood god kotal kahn, etc
LOL
Really? Free to reset?
I guess the first time, yes, then it goes up to 5, 10 and finally 12 which is the max
Oh, ok. Now I know.
So only go for precision in offense and leave it?
So only go for precision in offense and leave it?
@oak hamlet itās up to you
Hi
Sup
So thereās no way we can max out all 3 TT, right? Cuz thereās only 100+ points in total so...
I think I do too. I still have 4 left. Didnāt want to use em though.
The mod said around 100-104.
I donāt think it was 4 it was always 102
do you got 102 too
Yep
Check the pinned message, swipe left....
What should I use my points on?
@pure tiger keep Grinding Shao Kahn tower then spend them
Is there a talent for block breaker or is it only equipment that will grant that ability?
Only equipment
Do you know how many block breaker weapons there are then? I have one currently but wondering if there others
Trying to build up a team and that seems like a good skill since the comp keeps blocking all the time
For basic attacks:
-Bladed Fan
-Revolvers
-Rusty Chainsaw
-Sento Blade
-Shuriken
-Vial of Infinite Blood
-Reaperās End
-Red Headband (Liu Kang)
-Tribal Headband
-Celestial Blow (Fujin)
-Frost Axe (FX)
-Muramasa Blade
-Generalās Father Gun
-Royal Wine (FX)
-Wrestling Star's Last Puff
For special attacks:
-Molochās Ball and Chain
-Shirai Ryu Kunai (Scorpion)
-Killer Wasp (DāVorah)
-Kobu Jutsu Blades (Tanya)
-General's Father Gun (Sonya)
-Wrestling Star's Jaxophone
-Moonshine
@hardy girder thank you for that list
anyone know the best talent tree for high damage?
or.. the best talentree for the attack section
@dapper igloo sp1 or sp2?
There isnt something like that š
No. You only get 100 talents so you've to be selective about which to max.
Theres also a guide for talent path pinned in here. You can check if you want.
Wait its like a 105 tho?
Sorry iam a beginner to the game š¶
I finished shao kahn tower once
Ended up with around a 105
impossible
Yes very impossible.
Huh
Old Players coming back can have more than 100 points
It was an error or the developers but they said that is ok and that you can keep your points
But NOW, for who complete the shao kahn tower for the first time the limit of points is 100
I have 107 šÆ
Fr?
Yep
That's not fair tho
I already had some points in my tree so when i came back and i completed the tower i kept the points that i already had
there's a lot of different talent tree set up to maximize specific team set up, but if u're talking about general talent that work for almost all team set up then here is a reference for u @lunar matrix
imo, the most important talent (for general usage) to max out is:
- Teamwork
- Precision (4/5 is enough)
- Revenant
- Centaurian Defense
then, quite important but less prioritize is:
- Bear Stance
- Hawk Stance
- Red Dragon Training
- Shinnok's Teaching
u may chose to focus on either offense, defense or support
but that first 4 that i mention is a must have for the best performance
@abstract wind btw I've realized that xrays are block breakers, the centuarian defense works on it
@lunar matrix attack for offense
Hp for defense
Recovery for support
Wait me to send my tree for u
?
Want*
I cant type
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@lunar matrix
Lol, yeah defense and support are more important
Yea it's pretty good, keep grinding till u finish shoa Khan tower
Oh wait
Precision is way more important than mediation btw
@haughty dagger I copied your talent tree but only put 1 point to precision and 3 extra points to meditation
@lunar matrix oh no
Precision with only one point is useless
Exactly
Min 4 points needed
Mediation isnt important at all
Did anyone here change their tree just to make their tower run easier ?
From x to more offensive?
I removed revenant and boneshield to get the death mark and outworld scourge
With mk11 team I still have sub0 that can save my a$$
If u hv Revenant, you don't need bone shields tbh
bone shield is for specials
Arenāt the talents only applicable to Shao Kahnās Tower?
Thank you.
I once played against a person with both shinnkos teaching and shaolins laststans.
how is that possible?
in faction wars to be exact
bruh the devs need to clean their game up
once there were many more cheaters in fw trust me, some people used bosses against others
still problematic. not only hackers progression is too slow.
all these account problems too
If you suspect someone of cheating, submit a ticket at https://go.wbgames.com/MKhelp and pick the "Report Abuse, Cheating, or Content" category, providing any info you have.
Simple
Wait. If you donāt want any of the three options in a tier, you donāt need to have at least one point before going to the next tier?
it's impossible to advance to the next level without purchasing one of the three talents.
That is what I thought but I donāt see points on all of the talents. Like he goes from defenders bull work to red dragon and only adds the points on the bottom. I didnāt know that was possible
I could build a better talent tree if that is possible
It's a bug introduced by this update
Now that makes sense.
Iām kinda new to the talent tree. Is it possible to kinda put some points into all of them? Like attack, defense, and support?
Look at the guide pinned here, it's not possible to spend points on all talents
It's a bug introduced by this update
@soft siren itās not a bug
@soft siren read closely on this and think about before you say itās a bug
Wait. If you donāt want any of the three options in a tier, you donāt need to have at least one point before going to the next tier?
@wise grail yea I found this out on accident
But itās not a bug it makes sense read the pic
Closely and think about it
@soft siren so what you think now? Is it really a bug?
Ok it's so many mentions š
Oh my bad
Why an "a" proves your point? Effectively, when you spend one talent point in any of the talents of the tier, you have the right to unlock the next one. It's has always been like this.
Now, it is a bug. Talent tree is meant only to follow one path in each tier, not all three, that's why the graph is not properly connected, glitches the tree path, and it doesn't allow you to unlock all three talents of every tier.
If it wasn't a bug, then each time you unlocked a tier, you would unlock all three talents, not just those shown in the screenshot.
You purchase one talent point to unlock next tier
If you donāt like the next tier purchase another on the previous tier and skip forward thatās why itās not a bug itās Logic @soft siren
Just purchase another talent point in order to go to next tier @soft siren
The graph connection glitch is enough proof of the bug, everything else is just a discourse.
Ok
Your opinions and my opinions theyāre not gonna connect so Iāll just stop trying to prove my point
The glitch appears on your own screenshot, it's a fact, not an opinion, but it's fine talk about these
@dapper igloo I think you actually found a loophole and the game logic allows it. So its not a bug the way Iām reading it after your explanation. It is just someone literally complying to the wording. Now we all agree that isnāt what the devs wanted us to do but nothing seems to be stopping you based on the wording and coding
The only downside is I just started a couple weeks ago so I only have about 50 points so I canāt take full advantage of this and they may change the logic by the time I have all 100 points
Can anyone help me with the shirai ryu tower Iām in the fatal tower 179 and I cannot get any further .... I assume kombat cup Sonya and Johnny are my best options unless anyone else has any other suggestions . Please direct message me if anyone would like to give any strategies I can try Iād appreciate the help
Can anyone help me with the shirai ryu tower Iām in the fatal tower 179 and I cannot get any further .... I assume kombat cup Sonya and Johnny are my best options unless anyone else has any other suggestions . Please direct message me if anyone would like to give any strategies I can try Iād appreciate the help
@viscid yarrow do u have weak point attacks and show me your #š”-kollection in the #š”-kollection or #šÆ-towers-relic-hunt
how life drain in talent tree works?
If you donāt like the next tier purchase another on the previous tier and skip forward thatās why itās not a bug itās Logic @soft siren
@dapper igloo ....... I agree 100%! ...Purchasing another Talent on the previous Tier satisfies the purchasing requirements to advance or skip forward to the next tier, hence you can bypass the Tiers that you donāt like .š
trees r the best
@soft siren theyāre no credit for what I did tho
He didnt give sources where he heard it from
Nah
a bug works for everyone, he doesn't have to give credits to anyone
It's a reply to the video of KC Gaming.
@soft siren the reason i said opinions because when I tweeted it I had @ MkM anyways so thatās why I wasnāt sure if bug or not thatās why I said opinions
there's no way this could have been a feature
Because if they said it wasnāt then youāve would of had an OPINION and thatās why I also said that it wasnāt a bug because that was my OPINION
That would be a hypothesis instead, but this channel is not for this talk.
So I use death mark technique and I know it says it stacks is this what it means by stack also I have sindels ring so it copied it but doesnāt it change to orange when it stacks? @soft siren
I'm not sure
Cause this happened before but I wasnāt sure too
I don't use this talent so I can't tell
Can some one tag me in a good set up for talent tree I have completed shaokhans tower
People always say use weak point attacks but I donāt use it anymore because Iām not gonna always use someone who power drains @outer tartan
What's mini game
@neat wasp wdym
A mini game in a special attack where
When you active a special attack
You have to do sormtyhohb
Something
How do I explain
For example
When you use scorpion sp1
You need to do that weird bar thingy that determines how strong that attack is gonna be
@dapper igloo dis
You need to do that weird bar thingy that determines how strong that attack is gonna be
@dapper igloo wym
Hold up
Ok
I don't understand
Try to hit right in the middle for 100% damage. Might take some times if youāre new then.
He wants to know
Oh doing 100% damage is a mini game?
What a mini game and stuff is
What a mini game and stuff is
@dapper igloo yes
A mini game is this
Try to hit right in the middle for 100% damage. Might take some times if youāre new then.
@gritty bobcat I know this tho lol
This is just a example
It determines how strong your special attack will be
Mini games come different depending on character
Ok got it if that's mini game lol
Rapid swore
Swpie sp2
Do u understand now?
If you need more help let me know

Like MK11 Scorp, in order for him to disable the oppās sps. His sp1 damage need to be 90% and up. Thatās mini game.
The game description didn't say that tho
His passive says that?
They should add this stuffs
Mandys a pretty good movie

Np
His passive says that?
@gritty bobcat no he meant why didnāt the game include what a mini game is and stuff
Oh. Then I guess thereās no game that will explain every single detail to you? LOL
You can ask around tho. Mods in here can help you with stuff like that.
the mini games are self explanatory
His passive says that?
@gritty bobcat no, cause krushing blows are exclusive for mk11 characters after doing a specific action
For example ti get the krushing blow with kabal you have to get 90%+ on sp1 against a stunned enemy
With jade you need 90%+ on sp2
Raiden does a krushing blow after three combo enders and he disable opponent's combo enders
yo
Defence for Bone Shield and Revenant
Hey quick question, after weāve completed the shao khan tower and start over weāre not able receive a chance at getting a talent tree coin anymore; why is that? Can that be fixed please because I havenāt completed the fullness of my talent tree yet? Thank you so much.
Not kool and not fair
lol
Does anyone know what talent will reverse an X-ray? I just had all the damage inflicted onto my character from a Takeda with 0 gear equipped.
Thanks
To those who wondered why they can't complete their talent tree: https://twitter.com/Cactuspack/status/1310626170854146053
That should be obvious. What's the point anyway if we get everything. Itll be same mirror matches.
That is a recurrent question, everyone think they can max out the talent tree like they do with characters and equipment, so that's one of the things we covered in our guide (pinned here) and now officially confirmed by a dev
there is some problem with my account , I completed the shao khan tower once and was only able to get one talent point that too at battle 100 , does anyone face this problem?
one point in all the tower? wtf?
there is some problem with my account , I completed the shao khan tower once and was only able to get one talent point that too at battle 100 , does anyone face this problem?
@vast zealot @soft siren ^
It was better to point him to the pinned messages instead of pinging me
lol
Sorry Hacheipe
I wish relic hunt didnāt have to be out to summon shao Kahn
He's not the best diamond anyway so there's no rush to get him
I donāt have many diamonds, thatās really it
Get precision at least r4
Use your points to upgrade your talents now, you have a good tree
@smoky sentinel what after precision I'll get 3 more points in 12hrs
Well upgrade your precision now, then you can think about other talents
4 times right?





