🏯-towers-relic-hunt

[wet jewel]

vengeful is a good gold

[vital vessel]

Vengeful is good but i dont rlly like his passive much

Bleed does kinda meh dmg

[wet jewel]

His sp2 hits hard

[ivory cairn]

Have him f4
F4 unstoppable Jason
F3 quan chi

They are doing pretty good

[vital vessel]

Quan chi is a good basic gold

[wet jewel]

top 5 for sure, arguably top 3

[ivory cairn]

Jason is tanking. F2 and let shinnok take all

[zinc thistle]

i bring him whenever it only takes one modifier appears xD

[wet jewel]

he’s still my most used character

[vital vessel]

Whoever bought those 750 soul pack for cos characters when the game first came out they lcuky 💀

[wet jewel]

i use my quan in every single battle lmao

[median spear]

top 5 basic golds in yuor opinion

[ivory cairn]

Did that as unstoppable Jason as weakest . Got back sp2 and tag out . Was funny to see tremor tries on 105 lol

[wet jewel]

cassie, grandmaster, quan, inferno, stunt double

left to right

[vital vessel]

Co cassie
Warlock quan chi
Inferno scorpion
Stunt double jc
Grandmaster sub
Not in order

[zinc thistle]

unstoppable jason was sometimes a pain, but not as painful as battling against assassin jade 💀

[ivory cairn]

As basic . İ like balanced kenshi too

[vital vessel]

Isnt there gear that makes slasher jason revive like 9 times or sum

[ivory cairn]

He is underrated

[rocky sail]

vengeful shinnok deleted when

[wet jewel]

balanced kenshi is up there too

[ivory cairn]

Trophy collection.

[vital vessel]

Undercover cassie deleted when

[wet jewel]

7

[rocky sail]

y e s

[wet jewel]

u can make slasher have 7 lives

[vital vessel]

Lmao

[ivory cairn]

Vengeful shinnok Carries ne guys come oooon

[vital vessel]

8 with qc?

[ivory cairn]

Plase:(

[rocky sail]

💀

[wet jewel]

nah 7 is max

[vital vessel]

Ah

[wet jewel]

no wait

hmmmm is 8 possible

i think u can use living dead

[ivory cairn]

Wrath hammer , hockey mask , trophy collection. Welcome to cancer vorhees

[rocky sail]

any character that can bypass resistance to debuffs?

[wet jewel]

living dead+trophy collection+sf scorp+warlock quan+jason’s base 3 lives+revenant=8 lives

[zinc thistle]

is kl sonya challenge card

[vital vessel]

Ashamed that her stats are higher than some diamonds

[wet jewel]

yes

[vital vessel]

Altho its lvl 1 stats so

[zinc thistle]

good to know

[wet jewel]

top 5 too imo

[zinc thistle]

when her next challenge sadge i need more copies

[ivory cairn]

She is not bad. But in KC team she is definately GARBAGE

[wet jewel]

kl sonya>KC sonya imo

[vital vessel]

Kc sonya only has 1 use. k a r d

[ivory cairn]

Always prefer Co cass instead of KC one

[zinc thistle]

she has been f4 for quite some time now until my kl scorp got 3 copies in short time to get f5

[ivory cairn]

Klassic Sonya and klassic kano are both so good btw .

[wet jewel]

pain in survival when ur carrying a weak character

[ivory cairn]

Did so much for me unexpectedly good

[vital vessel]

Klassic kano sp2 burns your yk what

[wet jewel]

AS tremor and KC sonya r the worst 2 characters to face in survival tbh

[zinc thistle]

are there any annoying things in 200 that i shouldtake note of?

[wet jewel]

nope

[vital vessel]

Not rlly

[wet jewel]

pass 197 and ur chilling

[zinc thistle]

nice

[vital vessel]

197 was def annoying but not that hard for me

[ivory cairn]

Tremor can be dealt with some debuff resist . Sonya is a pain in the ... Definately worth to opponent roll consumable usage

[wet jewel]

dots

[vital vessel]

Its good that when assasin teammates evade they dont hit you with a staff 7 million times 💀

[inner spindle]

same i need her to be F8

[ivory cairn]

I think can be fine if he have jade on back .

[wet jewel]

here’s how i beat it lmao

[vital vessel]

Dont have skarlet but mileena i can do

[wet jewel]

u got sektor?

[vital vessel]

yeah

[ivory cairn]

Wanted to see SP3 of silver kenshi . Teamed with shaolin kj balanced kenshi and gave wrath hammer to be certain .

[wet jewel]

he works

[ivory cairn]

But he did eg kenshi combo ender lol

[inner spindle]

not really good, rather SP2

[vital vessel]

Huge scam

[ivory cairn]

Silver kenshi is op . But ppl says cassie is second best silver. İ think scorpion is better .

[vital vessel]

Honestly the only situation i would use a sp3 is mk11 raiden or any raidens sp3 when enemies team soaked

I barely use sp3

[wet jewel]

all silver sp3 kinda suck

[inner spindle]

if i get a bone shaper shinnok challenge i max him out

[wet jewel]

don’t silvers sp2 and sp3 all deal exact same damage?

[inner spindle]

yea they do

[vital vessel]

Ive only used kenshis 💀

[ivory cairn]

Vengeful plase netherrrealm. Need to fuse him as i did to Jason.

[inner spindle]

vengeful was like 2 months ago

[wet jewel]

we haven’t had vengeful in a bit

but the last triborg was when i first started💀

[ivory cairn]

Last 3 eneg packs gave tg raiden back to back . And i am scared to open when it comes back ...

[vital vessel]

Im so glad i did elder kosplay jacqui

[inner spindle]

we had, 2 months ago xd

[vital vessel]

now shes f4 and a beast

[wet jewel]

feels longer than that lmao

i rly can’t get used to any jacqui

[ivory cairn]

Btw guys . What do you think about bo rai Cho

[inner spindle]

i can finish most challenges but i hate when the challenges in elder says this team must be made out of only x and y cards

[inner spindle]

very good card

[ivory cairn]

I have good uses on him. But no one says much about him

[inner spindle]

true xddddddddd

[vital vessel]

You can exploit her explosion for essentially an unblockable sp2 lol

[wet jewel]

decent, but i hate playing him and hate playing against him

[wet jewel]

i don’t even have her sp2 👁👄👁

[ivory cairn]

"who trained you " > so many cards

[wet jewel]

she’s like fx lv50 with no sp2

[ivory cairn]

He is really a beast .

[vital vessel]

👁️👄👁️

[wet jewel]

hah……so many characters don’t even have sp2 in my collection

[ivory cairn]

Could not understand the reason

[zinc thistle]

how good are diamond circle of shadow cards

[vital vessel]

I find it hilarious that scorpion jacquis sp2 is just a flamethrowee lmao

[wet jewel]

top 3 or 4 team

[inner spindle]

top 3 team in my books

[zinc thistle]

how about standalone cards

[wet jewel]

i think kl>mk11>sf>cos

[wet jewel]

quan is kinda useless stand-alone,lao and liu r good

[mighty ginkgo]

Dotd #1 cuz I'm biased

[vital vessel]

Klassics are op ong

[zinc thistle]

so far only have sub0

[ivory cairn]

Kl is op team . Gold kl or diamond kl no matter

[wet jewel]

klk+kl raiden+kl rain

[vital vessel]

Was abt to type that lmao

[wet jewel]

3 quan chi and a liu for that sub0

[night bone]

kl rain + kl liu kang busted ong

[shell harness]

People sleep on KW team for towers

[wet jewel]

Kw team with kw sub0+dampening is nasty

[night bone]

full kw sub team is crazy

you get free power advantage

[wet jewel]

unless ur fighting against it and there’s dampening modifier💀

[zinc thistle]

what's a 2nd CoS card that would be favorable if i only have sub0

[night bone]

with fx lucky hat

[wet jewel]

that team in sorcerer tower traumatized me

[vital vessel]

Kw team is nutty

[wet jewel]

liu or quan

[shell harness]

KW team also clutches up for blowback modifier

[vital vessel]

I wish i had kw

[wet jewel]

hm Kw or dotd?

[zinc thistle]

speaking of liu i cant believe they allow him to stun if he's the starting character it's bs

[wet jewel]

imma go with kw

[night bone]

liu is that free headstart

[vital vessel]

Kw for me. I love scorpions sp2

[wet jewel]

and klk is even better lmao

[shell harness]

KW just because regneration for dotd has many counters

[ivory cairn]

Dotd team is good too

[night bone]

dotd kitana and kl reptile

[ivory cairn]

Why

[zinc thistle]

i was malding recently about trying to beat them in tower

i cant believe

[wet jewel]

only dotd i got is jade at f0 lv1

[night bone]

I got a dotd jade recently so ive been usin her

[zinc thistle]

dotd kitana passive so irritating

[wet jewel]

dotd team isn’t a problem for me

[wet jewel]

she was a fatal 100 boss in full outworld team lmao

[ivory cairn]

Erron is best part for me

[wet jewel]

yeah dotd erron got one of the best character designs

[zinc thistle]

also idek how dotd jade got away even with death mark smh

[night bone]

erron is crazy because on top of chance of free specials he can power drain, and then they add another layer to the passive for team power drain

[ivory cairn]

Nightmare is decent btw. Just Freddy op situationally

[night bone]

she has the like gear that tags her out on lethal damage

deathmark doesn't work so ur gonna have to use a brutality

[wet jewel]

i think nightmare might be the worst diamond team

freddy is op tho

[night bone]

nightmare doesn't even work together properly imo

leatherface pairs better with kl kano

[ivory cairn]

Leatherface..

[night bone]

honestly the only thing I don't like about fighting leatherface is how the tag in animation is like 2 seconds longer than the rest of the cast

[ivory cairn]

When i got him. I apologized to wretch d'vorah for calling her trash

[night bone]

messes with your muscle memory

[wet jewel]

leatherface slow af i think

joke of a 150 boss

[ivory cairn]

Slasher> nightmare in my opinion

[wet jewel]

nightmare jason?

[ivory cairn]

Yes

[night bone]

honestly I wish I had nightmare jason

he is a literal coin flip

[wet jewel]

Draco gonna disagree

[wet jewel]

nightmare jason is meh

[night bone]

guardian terminator + nightmare jason

[ivory cairn]

So much relying on chance.. same feeling for assassin jade too on me

[night bone]

honestly wish they could have at least added terminator back into the diamond pool for towers

how they gonna add a brutality set for a character you're probably not gonna get for 70% of the tower duration

[inner spindle]

Assassin Jade don't rely on chance she just kick your ass

[wet jewel]

which is y i rely on monk

[ivory cairn]

Ronin kenshi and Freddy are carrying their team alone

[hard tree]

................

[wet jewel]

oh boy

[shell harness]

Ronin kenshi needing takeda and kitana to be at his strongest:

[inner spindle]

What was that

0_0

[wet jewel]

draco actually said kenshi is the worst ronin

[shell harness]

🤨

He's not wrong tho

[ivory cairn]

Dotd jade was better than both assassin jade and nightmare Jason in the past . But now nerfed for a while

[wet jewel]

jade and cos quan rly got nerfed

[ivory cairn]

Can understand. Cuz he is only damage dealing. Nothing else . When DMG goes big he make you feel good . Otherwise i can understand

[ivory cairn]

So many ppl says they are trash .

[shell harness]

They're really good when you actually try them with the proper equipments

Ubnone has mastered the ways with the ronins

[ivory cairn]

Than i can learn some tricks about them

İf mr/mrs ubnone helps

[night bone]

i want ronin takeda for fatal 100

never before said sentence

[shell harness]

I just need 1 more fusion for him, so I kinda want him too

And he'll be my 2nd ronin maxed

NTT 103 and 110 3rd run

[ornate bronze]

110

[lyric grove]

90

[tacit cradle]

110

[onyx pewter]

Gg!

[marsh herald]

What boss killer teams you guys are using ?

Always sf Jhonny?

[night bone]

hey blue do you still need scorpion attack support card

[onyx pewter]

Yep 😂

[night bone]

oops

[onyx pewter]

qegwdoslkwrgdhsujiwd

[night bone]

maybe if you get like 900k more koins from the tower you can max out the card

[onyx pewter]

4 tries for Normal 200

[onyx pewter]

Nonono, I always spend on equipment packs or upgrading my cough cough new diamonds which is pain to upgrade

[wet jewel]

@onyx pewter is it rly worth it only using 1 character over having 3 damage dealers?

[onyx pewter]

for me it's paid off well

on my first run 170 took me 13 tries cuz I used 3 chars

on the 2nd run it took me 6 tries by just using scorpion

[wet jewel]

cuz i fought 200 with 2 damage dealers and an ermac and it took me 5 ;-;

[onyx pewter]

that's not bad

You can try for one of the runs

and see how it goes

[wet jewel]

ok tyty

[marsh herald]

Actually mk11 scorpion is freaking amazing
His combos are soo crisp

[onyx pewter]

And this damage as well

[marsh herald]

I am currently running the team with sf Johnny inj2 raiden and klk all fx

[onyx pewter]

god team

[marsh herald]

On my mini i am running the mk11 team with jade kabal and scorp

[onyx pewter]

im guessing inj2 is there to snare?

[tacit cradle]

either undead hunter johnny cage or mk11 raiden

[onyx pewter]

dead johnny 😭

[marsh herald]

Yeah that's the role bt he is v.handy with the unblockable specials

So always useful

[marsh herald]

I don't have a high fusion mk11 raiden

[onyx pewter]

do u have kl rain?

[cyan hatch]

This is all I get.. can I get the whip plz..
110 3rd run

[tacit cradle]

I'm scared to put tt gear on him

[onyx pewter]

holy .......

[tacit cradle]

"RoniNS ArE TRasH"

[onyx pewter]

they're amazing when decently fused and right equipment

wish i had other ronins other then kitana f1 🥲

[night bone]

now what’s with this nomad’s buzzsaw nonsense

i need it

[tacit cradle]

Wait 'til you see kenshi

[wicked ledge]

Kenshi's days are outnumbered unless they drop the ball super hard on Ronin Shinnok

Getting impatient now

[tacit cradle]

The casual build

[tacit cradle]

shinnok will have to wait until i fx him to replace kenshi

[wicked ledge]

I dont generally use mine for serious content anyway I just want an actual team synergy

Kitana and Takeda being low fused make the rotations terrible

especially under all for one

[true hollow]

running into the lizard baraka in tower, and he's kinda op.

i haven't lost to him because his fusions are low and the ai is dumb, but holy crap is he a menace

[wicked ledge]

Thankfully

He will never be a tower threat cause him being gold means he is only on lower levels

Cause passive wise he is worse than Jade

[true hollow]

thankfully indeed. that's like, power leap, not power creep

[tribal beacon]

#🏯-towers-relic-hunt

[obsidian lodge]

Waiting till he’s a boss in fatal

[true hollow]

oh yeah, what equipment or talent gives invincibility on tag in?

[wicked ledge]

Dark mantle

[obsidian lodge]

^

[true hollow]

idk what that is. equipment?

[obsidian lodge]

It’s an equipment from dqt I think

Ik it’s an equipment not sure on which tower

[wicked ledge]

Had a pic of it but its now gone

[wet jewel]

here y’all go

[true hollow]

oh, some tower equipment? i hate seeing it in fw. i took like, a several year break from mk mobile and coming back and seeing and doing towers is still new to me.

wow, that fx ability is busted.

[wicked ledge]

It would be completely busted if the invulnerability lasted 1 or 2 seconds more

Cause tag out timer

[wet jewel]

guess they wanted to try and balance it

[true hollow]

lizard baraka doesn't need it cuz he heals like madman on tagout.

it's ridiculous

[wicked ledge]

Tag in kards can bypass that in most causes

Honestly Lizard Baraka is likely the best user

Cant get staggered, doesnt get damaged either

[true hollow]

i thought he did get damaged

but he can't get damaged if you're not staggering and just do your combo and override theirs.

only defense i see against him is having a special saved up.

and use it immediately on tag in to eat time

[onyx pewter]

oh it's fx effect oof

[wicked ledge]

Crocus

He eats the damage

[onyx pewter]

#⚔-realm-klash

[wicked ledge]

He just doesnt react

[true hollow]

ridonkulous

does shield break remove the invincibility effect of that equipment, does anyone know? cuz i think it should

[tacit cradle]

And "the slap" @night bone

[tawdry cedar]

Awww!🥲

[wicked ledge]

No

At most you can steal it using a tower epic named pipe

[true hollow]

i missed out on most of the towers, so I need them to come back again.

i have a kw s0 that needs a frost axe and brutality gear

[wicked ledge]

EWT has like a year left before it comes back

[tacit cradle]

or xray/fatal blow

[onyx pewter]

@tacit cradle I'm assuming I should replace wrath hammer at this point, even tho I have a near 100% chance of crit hits when i use my boss team 🤔

[true hollow]

bruh, ain't nobody can get xrays unless you build specifically around it. and it's almost never gonna happen in a tower with 'one for all

[onyx pewter]

TT doesn't have incurability equipments

[wicked ledge]

Against some opponents you just have to

[tacit cradle]

you get cc against cursed opponents, yeet the hammer

[wicked ledge]

Lik assassins or nightmare jason

[true hollow]

yeah, those are definitely the exceptions.

the new sindel whip helps with that.

get some dot in with your combo enders.

but jade activates with combo enders AND specials.

[onyx pewter]

ig 42% cc is decent

[wicked ledge]

I dont see how

Its one of the worst tower rares Ive seen save for the FX effect

And bb sort of

[onyx pewter]

wait you do? how much % cc is it?

[true hollow]

sure, the effect rate isn't great but when it happens, it usually puts in work in tough fights.

[wicked ledge]

I dont get what they were thinking with it

If its gonna have such a large pool of debuffs the chance being so far from guaranteed makes no sense at all

[true hollow]

idk, i still mainly have erron guns, sento blade, and kitana fan for block breakers.

[wicked ledge]

Even if it was guaranteed youd take forever to get what you need from it

[true hollow]

so bb with effects is good for me.

[wicked ledge]

If it didnt have the dots it would be ok

[true hollow]

any debuff is useful, unless you're running a debuff specific team, like burn or bleed.

[wicked ledge]

But as it is I find it awful and only relevant for BB and thr fx effect

Random debuffs are useless for efficiency

[true hollow]

but none of that is useful against any boss, so the damage increase is what's important.

[wicked ledge]

I personally cannot excuse this piece in any way

Looks like terrible design altogether

[true hollow]

i only have one or two diamonds at fx.

and like no old tower equipment, so for me, it's very useful.

and other block breaking equipment don't have added effects so by default, it's better in most cases, except that the bb % is much lower atm

[wicked ledge]

Im mostly running on the rule of comparable and previous tower gear

Based on that, it blows

Whip is at most better than sento blade and kitana fan

[true hollow]

combo enders happen all the time, especially if you put the talents for it.

[wicked ledge]

Doesnt change any of the said above

Its a way too large debuff pool, and the chance is far from guaranteed

[true hollow]

you're right, it doesn't change the fact that I don't have other tower equipment, so i don't know why you say it's bad.

[wicked ledge]

Cause it is

[ornate bronze]

Because compared to all the ones in the game it's one of the weakest

[true hollow]

what about the accesory that has a chance of power drain?

[wicked ledge]

For instance, take this as an example

The accesory is pretty great

Considering its an uncommon you could hardly ask for a bigger chance to drain

[true hollow]

seems good. special unblockable is very niche tho

[wicked ledge]

The shield break applies on any unblockable

Its pretty much guaranteed armor break

[true hollow]

yeah, that's the great thing about it for sure

[wicked ledge]

Compared to whip where you cant get what you need realistically

[true hollow]

still, i don't run into a lot of shields.

kw teams are rare

[ornate bronze]

That's not the point

[wicked ledge]

Shield break increases damage, its not run for shields specifically

[ornate bronze]

Shield break makes you deal more damage regardless if they have a shield or not

[true hollow]

does it?

[wicked ledge]

Yeah

[ornate bronze]

Yes

[true hollow]

certainly doesn't seem so when i use A. jade

it certainly isn't noticeable

but neither is it noticeable when units are deathmarked.

[onyx pewter]

You need to pay more attention then

[tacit cradle]

+200% cd and a pipe that gives +95% damage boost

[wicked ledge]

Its roughly an 60% dmg boost or so, more or less thrice as good as wrath hammer

[onyx pewter]

I don't have the pipe

[wicked ledge]

Curse is around 30% I think as curse+shield break without any additional cd damage is nearly double damage

[tacit cradle]

wait, i misread your comment

[tacit cradle]

30% against cursed opponents

[ornate bronze]

The good effect of the whip except the block breaker is the fx one, as it's 60% extra damage against 90% of the debuffs characters can normally apply

Even if you don't rely on the combo ender effect

[tacit cradle]

at first i thought you asked me how much cd i had on kenshi

[onyx pewter]

Oh so the damage and chances are increased, very fancy

[onyx pewter]

still good to know lol

[true hollow]

agreed

[onyx pewter]

god damn

[tribal beacon]

i need relic hunt

[onyx pewter]

when's relic hunt fr

[mystic walrus]

did they fix talents and eq?

[ornate bronze]

No

Not yet

[night bone]

2 months at max

if I can count

[onyx pewter]

isn't relic hunt like once every 3 months

I've been playing the game for exactly 3 months now

[ornate bronze]

Last time was for the anniversary in april

[onyx pewter]

Bruh? I started playing towards the end of the anniversary gifts

[south palm]

172

[onyx pewter]

Gg necro

[south palm]

Time to get it every single time now from 110 and 190

[onyx pewter]

lel

[night bone]

me personally I would just get whip at 190

i wonder if there’s someone out there who has maxed an entire diamond card only through towers

[ornate bronze]

I have ronin takeda f8 with towers alone

[night bone]

how many towers have you gone through to get him

[ornate bronze]

He was my first random diamond from battle 100 in srt

Back in 2020

And you can bet that I drop at least one ronin from every tower

[lyric grove]

Normal or fatal 100 ?

[ornate bronze]

Which one

[lyric grove]

I got all the ronins from fw iirc.

[lyric grove]

I think you got more Ronin takeda from 200 than fatal 100

[ornate bronze]

Got only a couple of kenshis from fw

[wet jewel]

14 diamonds from towers so far, no ronin yet and idk if i should be happy. I don’t have any use for ronins for now

[ornate bronze]

And he's f7

[ornate bronze]

I did not

[lyric grove]

Lol rip fatal 100

[ornate bronze]

^

[lyric grove]

Oh I need to take note of my diamond drops from TT:
1- IJ2 Raiden to F6
2- KW Sonya

[wet jewel]

those r some nice runs

[tiny cliff]

Nothing new

[lyric grove]

Gimme

[onyx pewter]

Tower random diamond drops are probably Ronin packs

but the paid one, 10% each ronin and the rest a random diamond

[wet jewel]

hm interesting, i haven’t seen a single ronin character be pulled yet

[onyx pewter]

Maybe people just don't feel the need to screenshot ronins

[tacit cradle]

Well i don't usually ss the sellbacks (kenshi) and the other 2 don't usually drop

[jaunty temple]

I want kenshi or takeda at least, just for the sake of challenges. 1 takeda doesn't help ;-;

[tacit cradle]

Blake, i got so many sellbacks of kenshi that he would get to fx a 2nd time

[tribal beacon]

My time has come

[wet jewel]

death mark time

[tribal beacon]

It won’t do crap

[sand vapor]

That's why my game crashed 2 times after i knocked out a Sonya/Kombat Cup in the battle 135

[tribal beacon]

Well

Let’s see how I do

Died

Oh well I only had 1 try

[sacred wind]

oh bother

[spice fog]

135 was easy imo

[wet jewel]

not for me lmao, damn crashes

[sacred wind]

comin in hot with 2 hrs and 20 mins

[wet jewel]

wait ur beating 200 this refresh right?

[inner spindle]

I'm beating 200 this refresh

:D

I will not lose an attempt aside from boss battles

190 might take me 5 tries this time

[wet jewel]

oh magnus again huh?

gl get urself a sindel

[inner spindle]

Yep

[inner spindle]

🎉

[sacred wind]

LESGO MAGNUS

right behind ya

[wet jewel]

aye wassup

[rocky sail]

if u get sindel i buy joker pack

[sacred wind]

if we both get sindel u buy 2 joker packs

[rocky sail]

no

i dont wanna lose more mone

[sacred wind]

skem

LMA

[wet jewel]

what battle u on?

[vital vessel]

Lmao

[vital vessel]

Then you get 2 jokers if they get sindel

[rocky sail]

pls dont get sindel im gonna be poor

[rocky sail]

no

only mag to not lose mone

[vital vessel]

[wet jewel]

damn kinda sucks i’m not gonna be beating anything big

[vital vessel]

@sacred wind if you get sindel i buy my first joker pack

[sacred wind]

exact 191

[wet jewel]

more than enough tries for 200

dayum tonight’s gonna be fun

imma be sure to stay up late to c both y’all pull sindel

[sacred wind]

bear witness lemon

[wet jewel]

and @rocky sail buying joker pack xD

[rocky sail]

same im still at 80 stuck with 3 characters that resist debuffs

[wet jewel]

if u ever need help u can post the fight lol

[rocky sail]

im joking pls no im gonna end up in da street

[vital vessel]

pls dont get sindel

[sacred wind]

if either of us get a sindel ull open one joker pack

[vital vessel]

im not gonna get joker

[wet jewel]

might get a baraka

[sacred wind]

huge

[rocky sail]

id buy tt pack if i had more mone

[vital vessel]

scourge

[wet jewel]

scourge lmao

well u can use him for jason challenge then

[vital vessel]

i already beat elder

[wet jewel]

👁👄👁 Still tryna beat last tower

[rocky sail]

h e l p

[wet jewel]

scorp?

[rocky sail]

nope

luck is awful

[wet jewel]

i think u should use a different team

[vital vessel]

Show your kollection?

[rocky sail]

every other team is either low fusion or low lvl

[wet jewel]

frostbite them

[rocky sail]

anyways lemme get screenshots ae

#🗡-kollection

[vital vessel]

I have a 5% chance to end up on the streets today

[rocky sail]

y

[wet jewel]

if established scientist gets sindel he gonna @plush apex and buy joker

[plush apex]

Yesssss

@plush apex ppl

[rocky sail]

balls

[vital vessel]

[plush apex]

You shall do it rn

@plush apex

[rocky sail]

remember yall

@plush apex

[plush apex]

🛒

[median spear]

i finally beat this shao kahn tower level

[sacred wind]

comin in spree with 1 hr and 10 mins

[vital vessel]

44 mins @sacred wind

[sacred wind]

HUG

magnus wya

[vital vessel]

I have a 5% chance im gonna lose $10 today

[wet jewel]

Magnus, scientist, get ready

diego, puppet, get ur wallets out

[sacred wind]

lets pop offfff

[sacred wind]

5 mins when

magmus where are u,,,,,

aaaaand

gametime💅

[night bone]

ima be honest I could probably use this team for no reason and still win

[wet jewel]

bro how u got f1 jade

i know noob, but dayum jade too?

[sacred wind]

ok puppet get ready for your wallet

wish me luck

[wet jewel]

and i wouldn’t quite risk that

[night bone]

I got one of her from christmas calendar and one from the female gold pack

[wet jewel]

alr get urself a sindel and let puppet get his joker

[vital vessel]

[wet jewel]

i got f0 kl jade from anniv pack

imma open gold female ninja when it comes back

[night bone]

I KNOW nrs is trolling whenever they release a new character

survivor mode hard requires at least f1 gold character

so if a new gold came out, you at LEAST had to buy 2 packs of them to use them in that tower

[sacred wind]

GUYS GODLY DROP

[wet jewel]

monk

[sacred wind]

monke

[plush apex]

Monque

[night bone]

im gonna do better, watch me

[vital vessel]

@sacred wind what battle u at

[night bone]

ok 30 souls aint bad but it’s no monk support

[wet jewel]

192 it looks like

FF Liu sp2 with 100% crit chance will never not be fun

i should bring fat man or cyrax

[vital vessel]

Scientist wake up.
I dont like this
Scientist wake up

[wet jewel]

prolly doing a boss fight, don’t wanna ping him for now

[night bone]

Honestly I like shielded modifier just so I can do this

[rocky sail]

so anyone got a sindel yet?

[night bone]

there’s one we know of

[wet jewel]

bros just flexing on us

[wet jewel]

blue

chess how tf do u time that

[rocky sail]

lmao

[sacred wind]

FINAL STRETCH

[plush apex]

How many fps do ur phone run

[vital vessel]

[night bone]

I had to compress so it would fit

[sacred wind]

pups get ready for yo momei

[wet jewel]

dude plays on iphone 20 with 1000fps or some shi

[rocky sail]

U

[plush apex]

Bet

[night bone]

but it runs like 70 fps, not terrible

[wet jewel]

puppet get ur wallet out

[wet jewel]

human eyes can only process 60 i think

[plush apex]

Mine does 25 and that is streetchin from him

[plush apex]

Just 30

[night bone]

oh yeah to answer this question

[plush apex]

Mf has za warudo and stops time to do so

[wet jewel]

Bruh it’s been too damn long since i got a random uncommon, and STILL no random rare or epic

[rocky sail]

day 1 of asking nrs to make shao kahn's sp2 ability work on bosses 🥶

[night bone]

after the third repeat of the mini game I subconsciously aim to tap right here

[wet jewel]

same for kl raiden. 40% removal, deal 20% damage, brutality that mf with shao

[night bone]

because of how fast it is and the input delay it automatically goes in the 90% range

even doe I only need 80%

[wet jewel]

dayum chess, yet to c anyone show ur level of game knowledge

[night bone]

draco

[wet jewel]

exceptions

[rocky sail]

draco u watching us again 💀

[night bone]

I learn from the best

[wet jewel]

“Draco is watching you”

[rocky sail]

anyways @plush apex

[plush apex]

🛒

[night bone]

wait a sec does every repeat of kl noob sp2 count as a new special for hex

welp time to test out

[wet jewel]

is there anything u don’t test lmao

[rocky sail]

yes he is

da reaction

[wet jewel]

i’m still baffled at how u knew abt the vamp mileena thing

[night bone]

oh my goodness it does

this game hates me

[night bone]

I used her a lot back in the day with quan chi noticed it a lot

[rocky sail]

how get klassic noob 😩

[wet jewel]

10 dollars for a 20% chance💀

or fatal towers

[plush apex]

Klassic ninja pack @plush apex

[rocky sail]

never doing that again

@plush apex

[plush apex]

🛒

[wet jewel]

“again”? u bought it before?

[rocky sail]

ye but instead of noob it was fg

[wet jewel]

change ur pfp to a shopping cart at this point lmao💀

[cyan hatch]

This is crazy luck
My 5th random epic so far in this tower
My 3rd run. Now I got all equipment

[rocky sail]

bro thats insane i wish i had dat luck 💀

[plush apex]

Im just waiting for the best graphoc desginer to do me a favor

[rocky sail]

graphoc

[night bone]

the worst epic for last?

[wet jewel]

google “shopping cart”

[night bone]

nah nah u gotta go all the way

[wet jewel]

kinda surprised tower epic accessories at f0 have lower stat boost than uncommon fx

[night bone]

shopping cart stock image

[rocky sail]

is sindel obtainable from soul packs?

[wet jewel]

nope

[night bone]

nah

[rocky sail]

zad

[plush apex]

Im having in mind more than a shopping cart

[rocky sail]

whole walmart

[night bone]

the most recent released diamonds who are in soul packs are shang noob and rain

[rocky sail]

in MiR

[night bone]

and they got less than 2% chance each

[rocky sail]

💀

[night bone]

and the pack costs 562 or 750

||and there’s a 10 pack limit as of the last time it was on sale||

every time u look at it compared to other packs it just sounds insane

[rocky sail]

so nrs is the lord of scamming i see

[sacred wind]

alr what do we have in deck

[vital vessel]

[rocky sail]

pls no sindel

[wet jewel]

go scientist go!

[rocky sail]

also gl

[night bone]

the answer is quite simple

fujin right heeeeeeere

[plush apex]

No cassie, no cassie, no cassie 🙏

And 10℅ more luck in ur deals, @plush apex

[rocky sail]

no sindel or cass

pls

[wet jewel]

i wonder how you’ll react if u get cassie 🤔

[plush apex]

Deletion will be inminent

[rocky sail]

oh god

[sacred wind]

DKDJDJDJDNSOEIEO

[plush apex]

Let us seeeee

[sacred wind]

checkmate

well ggs tho xd

[plush apex]

🥳

[sacred wind]

✊

[wet jewel]

GGS

[rocky sail]

gg

[sacred wind]

dotd kitana crying at f1

[plush apex]

There you go bud, enjoy 10% more luck

[rocky sail]

draco

y delet

[vital vessel]

yay im not gonna be homeless

[plush apex]

@plush apex

🛒

[sacred wind]

me when

[rocky sail]

@plush apex

[sacred wind]

still alive no kccc

full diamond run

[wet jewel]

where magnus

[sacred wind]

oh u guys are doomed

magnus will pull up with the trump card

[plush apex]

Oh, magnus have to drop it now instead of puppet? 😂 😂

[sacred wind]

magnusss pls

revenge

[rocky sail]

magnus pls no

[sacred wind]

magnus pls yes

[plush apex]

@plush apex

[rocky sail]

YOOOOOO

pulled a weekend dad from losing

first random rare les gooo

[sacred wind]

HUG

[vital vessel]

Magnus no

[rocky sail]

not whip but who cares

[sacred wind]

i like how i was so happy to get favorite toy

[plush apex]

Magnus si, @plush apex

[sacred wind]

but then i didnt even used it to bosses

[rocky sail]

magnus went to visit my dad

[plush apex]

But u got ur weekend dad

🥳

[rocky sail]

yes

[night bone]

magnus the weekday dad

[sacred wind]

magnus wya our one man army

[night bone]

btw I have proof this is how american healthcare works

look at that, health good as new

[rocky sail]

bruh

[plush apex]

F

[sacred wind]

kl noob being a certified parademic

[wet jewel]

bruh that’s stupid, that’s only 1 special

[rocky sail]

time to grind for an epic

[plush apex]

And thats another reason multi sp2 id bad

[night bone]

well too bad

[wet jewel]

idk if that’s intentional, they gotta fix it

[night bone]

they really made the hard to get still in a paid pack character have an easier sp2 chain

and then they pull stuff like this

[wet jewel]

oh yeah isn’t kl sub0 mini game even harder

[night bone]

yes

[plush apex]

Is not that hard, it even has a souls pack literally for him bruh

[wet jewel]

whats the mini game?

[night bone]

up and down bar thingy

[wet jewel]

like scorp sp1?

[night bone]

it goes extreme speed after 2 repeats

yeah

ngl I had an amazing idea

[rocky sail]

magnus aint online

[wet jewel]

swipes and fill the circle r the easiest

[rocky sail]

[wet jewel]

diagonal swipes aren’t too bad

[night bone]

for klassic johnny his sp1 nut kracker can chain 6 times and the minigame is the tap circle but it gets smaller faster each repeat

[plush apex]

The worst thing ever

[rocky sail]

which best epic from tt?

[wet jewel]

that’s not bad at all

[plush apex]

None, toy least worse

@rocky sail

[night bone]

nah the circle at max level gonna disappear in 1.5 seconds

[wet jewel]

best epic of all time is weather warfare? this towers epics r all ok

[wet jewel]

i use 3 fingers lol

[plush apex]

Asked for twisted tower

[raw pasture]

hey all, new here, been playing this game on and off for a few years but consistently recently, currently struggling with the twisted tower (f2p), any tips

[wet jewel]

and i gave both :D

[vital vessel]

Weather warfare is insane

[plush apex]

I mean, from

[raw pasture]

I'm on floor 110 right now

[wet jewel]

get as far as u can, if u can’t climb then farm losses, u get the same rewards

[night bone]

towers are usually not the main priority for building an account but it’s a stepping stone

[raw pasture]

my highest fusion is a kenshi 5 lol

but I'm at 110 just brute forcing floors

[obsidian lodge]

That’s good he’s the best silver

[raw pasture]

gold balanced

[obsidian lodge]

He’s good too

[wet jewel]

balanced is very good for a basic gold

[obsidian lodge]

Make a good spec ops team

[night bone]

balanced kenshi honestly not the worst if you have the whole solo strat going on

[raw pasture]

my best 5 characters are balanced kenshi (5), gunslinger erron black (3), and mk11 scropion (1)

hanzo scorp 2 and kung jin x

[obsidian lodge]

Oh you have mk11 scorp

[rocky sail]

cough co cass and kl sonya

[raw pasture]

yeah he's disgusting

[obsidian lodge]

You can finish the tower

[wet jewel]

yeah darthmateo used fx balanced kenshi+stunt double+cocc and beat fatal sorcerer

[raw pasture]

high rolled the packs twice

[night bone]

mk11 scorpion is insane at dps, if u got tower gear then maybe put it on most of him

[plush apex]

Fatal sorcerer is child play

[rocky sail]

im only missing balanced to make dat team

[night bone]

but the 180

[obsidian lodge]

Also he can infinite chain basics so you never get hit

[raw pasture]

the chain basics with unblockable chance gear

[obsidian lodge]

Yeah

[raw pasture]

also the boss ai is weird someties

[plush apex]

Dont use dots, easy, and evade killing goro

[raw pasture]

they have power and just don't use it, so you just do lots of damage

[night bone]

oh wait bd was 160 wasnt it

[rocky sail]

saul goodman in mk when

[obsidian lodge]

Lmao

[raw pasture]

I think the main issue is time rn

because I can clear the individual floors easily

[wet jewel]

we got 45 days

[raw pasture]

but the boss levels, man I lose days on those

[obsidian lodge]

Bosses take multiple tries

[wet jewel]

everyone takes a few tries on bosses, dw

[night bone]

if you don’t have klassic ermac now’s the time

[obsidian lodge]

The damage carries over

[raw pasture]

thoughts on gunslinger erron?

one of my favorite cards

[obsidian lodge]

Insane sp2

[vital vessel]

Most people

But not everyone

[night bone]

u have a good fused erron but the main issue is the modifier blocking u from building sp2

[obsidian lodge]

Grear dmg dealer

[rocky sail]

how to get krushing blow with mk11 kabal 💀

[wet jewel]

unless ur draco, fenix, or sarintoxin

[raw pasture]

I'm on 110 and hellspawn scorp is crit immune so his entire sp2 is negated 💀 💀

[wet jewel]

stunned enemy, 90% on sp1

[obsidian lodge]

90+ on sp1 I think

[night bone]

I think his is the hardest, but you need to get 90% on sp1 against stunned opponent

[wet jewel]

just tag in and do sp1

[vital vessel]

didnt mand beat dark queen tower 100 in like 22 seconds

[rocky sail]

oh so thats why it doesnt work always

[zinc thistle]

My CoS sub0 finally has a friend

[vital vessel]

How old is dqt tower

[rocky sail]

its basically enter the battle without blocking and free snare and krushing blow

[wet jewel]

new, before ewt

[rocky sail]

cos jax needs a smol buff imo

[raw pasture]

oh yea btw to whomever said I'm just starting out, truth is I have a bunch of diamond cards \

I got them back when they were golds

[vital vessel]

Ah

[raw pasture]

I've just been on again off again playing

[obsidian lodge]

Do you have sf Johnny?

At a good fusion

[raw pasture]

I have him! (base 💀)

[obsidian lodge]

He’s great against bosses

[night bone]

he got that boneshield bootleg

[obsidian lodge]

Maybe not at f0 tho

[rocky sail]

i am saul goodman now

[wet jewel]

i’ll take an sf johnny at f0

[rocky sail]

engineer gaming

[obsidian lodge]

Into boss fights?

[vital vessel]

Next refresh gonna beat 170. Place yo bets

[wet jewel]

tbh yeah lmao

[raw pasture]

have klassic reptile, kold war sonya, SF johnny/cassie, circle of shadow subzero and jax, konq shao kahn, assassin kitana, mk11 scorp and skarlet, hellspawn scorp, and ronin kenshi

[obsidian lodge]

Why tho? He has mk11 scorp at f1

[wet jewel]

scourge baraka

[wet jewel]

nah i’m saying i would lol, just cuz he’s fun

[obsidian lodge]

Oh yeah he is

[rocky sail]

goro

[raw pasture]

I'm being donowalled from the challenge this week too...

no baraka characters

[night bone]

baraka huh

I used to be like that

[obsidian lodge]

F

[night bone]

[wet jewel]

Hanzo would be nice for 170, also johnny

[night bone]

no baraka no funny chi chi chi ha ha ha

[raw pasture]

ooo I have hanzo hasashi 2

when's his next challenge cycle

or is it random

[night bone]

i think it’s determined

[raw pasture]

mashallah

HH scorp bleeds S tier gold imo

[night bone]

sometimes the newsletter tells us ahead of times but other than that there’s some forbidden information

[raw pasture]

I just went back in time to like last year and looked at the challenge cycle then

and it's (pretty much) the same

[mint frost]

Third random rare.

[raw pasture]

holy rng batman

[night bone]

joker from batman inside mortal kombat

[cunning fjord]

Joker is in mk11

[night bone]

real

[cunning fjord]

And in mk vs dc

[night bone]

They gotta add the joker with kombat rage

[raw pasture]

when will batman (real) be added to MK

[night bone]

uhhhhhhh

inj4

[rocky sail]

deathstroke in mk when

[lyric grove]

Delete this character pls

Well 110, could have been 1 try but unwanted character...

[night bone]

i gotta get at least a singular cool factor

[raw pasture]

ayyy we're on the same tower floor* @lyric grove

how'd you get through hellspawn scorp

I killed joker first

[plush apex]

Did you just, bought a money pacc? 💀

[rocky sail]

my game ads went yeet when i got to ad number 10 💀

[plush apex]

Jk dont kill me

[rocky sail]

this game sucks awfully

[raw pasture]

just noticed 💀

[night bone]

oop wrong reply

but yeah they got high fused characters and gear

[raw pasture]

fat L for me

mfw my highest fusion is a gold (5)

[plush apex]

Loot of today run, all randoms

[raw pasture]

is the tower even beatable (since I have mk11 scorop f1)

[plush apex]

Except decoy, that is from boss 30

[night bone]

honestly if u have a good setup, yes

scorpion clears I fear

[raw pasture]

i mean my best setup is scorp kenshi erron black

[lyric grove]

Before the 3.7.1 yes

[rocky sail]

which kenshi

[night bone]

I know u technically can’t try to, but aim for decoy invitation incase kenshi just dies and u need another power drainer

balanced

[plush apex]

Sheesh, its okay

[raw pasture]

balanced f5

[rocky sail]

alr

[raw pasture]

I think I have decoy but my mk11 scrop's gear is pretty good alr

the cripple is kinda nuts too

[lyric grove]

I work...

[plush apex]

I do, too but i use my money to live xd

[rocky sail]

anyways i can now sleep well knowing i got a rare

[lyric grove]

I also use it to live :v

[raw pasture]

living is overrated

[rocky sail]

true

[plush apex]

Ull have some to spare, im not

[raw pasture]

I'm not disparaging anyone who does but I don't spend money on mobile games

[rocky sail]

@plush apex

[plush apex]

🛒

[rocky sail]

that cart always kills me and idk why lmao

[raw pasture]

that made me snort laugh and then choke irl

I have shirai ryu kunai, random armor piece, vial of infinite blood, and wrath hammer on my mk11 scrop

[night bone]

sometimes I forget how good I have it as an f2p, I might be missing tower epics I wanna try out but I always have the opportunity to get cool stuff as I have before

[raw pasture]

I have it pretty good as a f2p too because my rng is simply huge

[shell harness]

NTT 121 3rd run and 1st loss from 130. Terminator decided to do what he was meant to do, doing it more after each run😑

[rocky sail]

hey at least u got a whip

basically 2 rares

[night bone]

he couldn’t possibly terminate you but at he probably ate specials here and there

[shell harness]

Oh yea best rare

[raw pasture]

any gear recommendations to switch

someone said decoy invite iirc

[night bone]

yeah

[shell harness]

The curse where each run is harder is here for me

[rocky sail]

which armor piece?

[raw pasture]

but vial's unblockable is huge on scorp's infinite basics

[night bone]

you can do hammer vial and decoy invitation for scorpion unless u have other gear in mind

[rocky sail]

changing kunai is a death sentence

[raw pasture]

I don't think I have any good ones so it doesn't really matter

if you mention one that's good that I have I'll swap to it

[rocky sail]

oh alr

[raw pasture]

gladiator mask x

[rocky sail]

ae

leave kunai and vial intact, with hammer change it for a tt equipment and armor idk

[raw pasture]

really?

[night bone]

kunai and sp2 go crazy

[rocky sail]

ye

[raw pasture]

wrath hammer seems op asf tho

[night bone]

if your hammer isn’t maxed it’s prob not worth

[raw pasture]

ahhhh

[night bone]

it’s insane on fx

[raw pasture]

well, it's not lol

[rocky sail]

tt equipment gives more damage boost and health boost

[raw pasture]

okay lineup so far is kunai (armor piece) vial tt equipo

[rocky sail]

as well as some extra powerups

[raw pasture]

what armor pieces are good

[rocky sail]

@raw pasture which tt u got doe

[night bone]

oh this kung lao gonna go down tomorrow

[raw pasture]

only carnival swill and decoy so far

[rocky sail]

thanks for telling me da boss

gotta get scorp asap

[raw pasture]

I do be ahead of you with lower fusions doe

[night bone]

btw his passive is lvl 1💀

[rocky sail]

works for me

[night bone]

.5 bar and 20% free special chance

[rocky sail]

no 30% for lethal and no awful sounds like freddy

[raw pasture]

only carnival swill and decoy so far

[night bone]

i gotta get back up higher, this cannot stand

[raw pasture]

haven't hit big yet

[raw pasture]

like no cap ur fusions are all higher than mine HAHA

[rocky sail]

decoy i guess? it has a chance to drain 33% energy

[night bone]

oh you’ll hit big, 2 more fusions on decoy and ur set

[raw pasture]

yeah probably decoy best

[rocky sail]

swill makes u immune to dots if its fx i think

[night bone]

100% resistant to fire, heal from poison

[rocky sail]

ah yes

just bleed

[night bone]

i got f1 scorpion and neither copy was from packs

[rocky sail]

ive got no scorp or skarlet

just one sub0 and rest of them are most awful golds

except hanzo, hanzo is gud

[raw pasture]

I'm sorry for the information I am about to tell you

I got mk11 skarlet and mk11 scorp back to back

[rocky sail]

w a t

[night bone]

my reaction to this information

[raw pasture]

and then another scorp a few days later

[night bone]

[rocky sail]

bababababa

[sacred wind]

that is improbable

[rocky sail]

oh hey scientist

hows ur day goin

[sacred wind]

heyyo yes

[night bone]

if I can beat tower battles with f1 scorp and a cup of juice then anyone can beat the tower with more fusions

[rocky sail]

or night

[raw pasture]

improbable yeah but I've used up all my RNG, haven't hit in 6 packs now I think

[sacred wind]

im still alive if im being honest

[raw pasture]

sometimes that's all we can count on brother

keep trucking

[night bone]

honestly quite out of context tower gear can be when being equipped

[raw pasture]

[night bone]

“here scorpion hold this juice it will make you burn less”

[raw pasture]

that was not the correct emote

[rocky sail]

much better

[raw pasture]

[rocky sail]

anyway which elite pack yall think will be next?

[raw pasture]

^^ this needs an answer

[raw pasture]

one that I will not drop any money on but will probably still hit the diamond anyway

[sacred wind]

me whe

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if u want offense then u have really limited options

shao kahn helmet is just consistent (unless of course your opponent is hellspawn scorpion)

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I'm not struggling with any normal stages

and yea my opponent is hellspawn scorp 😭

[rocky sail]

zad

[night bone]

see if I were you I would have had a good fused kosplay jacqui awhile ago and just beat the hellspawn out of him

[raw pasture]

right but my kosplay jacqui is level 1 fusion 1

[night bone]

oh dang

[rocky sail]

now this reminds me of smthn

spawn added when

[night bone]

spawn is too epic im afraid

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spawn is unfathomably based

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full 20 floors up on you with lower fusions

how does it feel, being a clown

[raw pasture]

wait what does this mean

[rocky sail]

freddy in soul packs when

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kosplay jacqui good or something?

[rocky sail]

💀

[rocky sail]

one of best golds, not 5 best but still good

[raw pasture]

what's top 5

or not even 5 just name a few of the best ones

[night bone]

im on my 3rd run, wait till you see

[raw pasture]

I know HH scorp is cracked

was kidding I'm not even done with first run LOL

fusions simply too low

[night bone]

kombat cup johnny, covert ops cassie

[rocky sail]

hanzo
smoke
kcjc
co cass (not sure about this)
and i forgor last one

ah yes, kl sonya

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what is KL

[night bone]

klassic

[rocky sail]

klassic

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pls be patient with me I have the stupid

oh I have her cool

[rocky sail]

no worries

[night bone]

the tagline of the epic characters

except for klassic kitana she will stay down there in silver

[rocky sail]

:sadness:

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I have exactly 2 of these, hanzo and kosplay

silver character detected, rights rejected

[rocky sail]

id love a klassic kitana in gold or even diamond

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klassic reptile looks so goofy but his kit is unbelievably cracked

[rocky sail]

kl rep kinda good with kl goro
if an opponent tags in goro do sp2 and almost every hit (or every hit) is critical

if rep poisons them ofc

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bold of you to assume I have goro