THE ACOLYTE

[green mountain]

weird lol

[proud notch]

Guys I found a picture of young Ki-Adi Mundi

[proud notch]

That's amazing

[green mountain]

LOL

[proud notch]

😂😂😂😂

We need one of him talking but caption it "What about the Sith attack on the Wookiee?"

[proud notch]

Clearly I have 5 wives

[green mountain]

lol

Merry Christmas:

[proud notch]

I'll accept this as a late birthday gift

[green mountain]

That works too!

[proud notch]

I hope that in 10 years the kids who watched this show grow up and make shitposts to rival the prequel ones

That and the sequel trilogy kids

[nova slate]

Wait wait wait so someone just made a video saying that “oh Ki-Adi mundi wasn’t talking about the Sith order, he was talking about the Sith species in regards to being extinct for a millennia.” Any weight to this or nah?

[light ermine]

I mean if we're going by legends then I thought they went extinct even further back

[nova slate]

Fuck if I know, I only found out there was a species today

[light ermine]

I also can't remember if sith as a species is still canon

[nova slate]

When I looked it up it said they are but in like a weird “only in some obscure book” way?

[light ermine]

Korriban/Moraband def is but idk if the race that lived there is

[nova slate]

I think this is the best we get outta that

[light ermine]

And that particular portrayal I think was from one of the doctor aphra comics

[nova slate]

So guess they’re canon and that could work as an explanation for ki-adi’s line in phantom menace especially since maul had a red face (albeit with dark markings)

[proud notch]

Massassi are canon, which was like a sub race

[potent cape]

I'm pretty sure they put Ki-adi into the acolyte for the specific reason of him not knowing that the Sith (order) had returned, so it can justify the story of Jedi encountering a Sith.

They put him into the scene where they were talking about Mae being a part of a rogue jedi order.

[nova slate]

Fair ‘nough, either way there’s an out for writers, but it’ll most likely get a shit ton of flack regardless

[narrow lotus]

Maul was a Dathomirian Zabrak, completely different species and Zabrak were/are rather common

he's the same species as Mother Koril

[nova slate]

I just meant that describing a red faced opponent doesn’t really narrow the species down, and mentions of Sith could have brought that up in his head. I probably should have clarified that I knew he was zabrak

[potent cape]

I feel like it's just going to come down to a rogue jedi sect vs ACTUAL sith

[green mountain]

^^^ THIS ... Thats how they are gonna fix the Episode 1 Mundi comments.

[proud notch]

I could see the Sith making a plot to make a Jedi the fall guy for this plot

[potent cape]

Or Osha.

[silk jacinth]

OSHA

[green mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-osha-violations-osha-gif-12904413940309591364

[narrow lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/osha-question-osha-dont-you-ever-question-osha-construction-hard-hat-gif-9175403792533952863

[potent cape]

Inb4 osha is the jedi Mae 'kills' without a weapon by turning her to the darkside

[silk jacinth]

What if Darth Teeth is a dark Jedi only and the actual Sith Lord kills him?

Trying to cover the actual Sith line until TPM

[cosmic siren]

Ami the only one thinking that “with out a weapon” means using the force?

[silk jacinth]

I think it means "not use a weapon"

You can kill someone with boredom

Make it laugh until it can breath

[crisp ravine]

i saw it from like a philosophical standpoint

[potent cape]

But the force is a weapon in the hands of the dark side

[crisp ravine]

similar to how kreia talks about how the greatest victory is getting your opponent to cast down their own beliefs

[potent cape]

That was my thoughts

Or turn them against each other

[cosmic siren]

I love how people are saying how episode 4 screws with canon citing mundis age and then point to legends material regarding when he was born

[light ermine]

One of the primary sources of which was a Topps trading card lol

[silk jacinth]

The Force can make you live longer too

Look at Dooku

And Cereans aren't Human

The EU had a ton of retcons with dates, names, battles and characters

Filoni does it all the time

(It isn't a Filoni show if he doesn't retcon something)

[light ermine]

Oh people are turning on him now that they know he was even somewhat involved in this show

There was a whole witch hunt whine fest centered around him on The Vault like yesterday I think lol

[silk jacinth]

He gave Leslye witches advice or something like that

I think that's cool

[light ermine]

He also has somewhat approval on all scripts in some form. Which hey good on him to be like "hey just because there's something that does exist doesn't mean that's the ONLY thing out there, make it your own" but also kinda funny since he just had straight up nightsisters in a totally separate galaxy

[cosmic siren]

nah theyre turning on him because of his wife

[silk jacinth]

Isn't he a high up for the stories now?

[potent cape]

There was a human in legends who was immortal because of the force.

[cosmic siren]

cheif creative officer yeah

[silk jacinth]

That

[crisp ravine]

also sion

[cosmic siren]

from what i understand though he got that role after acolyte was already done and nearly released

[light ermine]

It's both lol, one of the writers for ep4 was talking about how he had to approve their script and then people took issue with that too lol

[light ermine]

I think prior to being shot but after most the writing was already completed

[light ermine]

Speaking of his wife, she had a super sick Baylan and Shin stained glass mural thing made for his birthday this year lol

[cosmic siren]

thats pretty awesome

[silk jacinth]

Wow

[cosmic siren]

cleverly done.

[visual crater]

Saw this on Reddit. I think it might have a bit of merit.

[silk jacinth]

The last part is kinda weird

Because he was following OSHA

[light ermine]

I kinda doubt it but the opening kill of one of their most featured marketable stars is a fun connection

[visual crater]

Except it was Mae that killed her rather than Darth Teeth

[cosmic siren]

i guess were supposed to ignore that osha (who is suspected of murdering people) walked off on her own then. and if he didnt follow her she wouldve just proved herself to be the killer

[silk jacinth]

Exactly

But the idea of Sith infiltrators in the JO is interesting

TOR had some

[cosmic siren]

hell darth bane did that with zannah

i believe they referenced it in darth plagueis as well

[silk jacinth]

https://youtu.be/MgnxKu4YjCU?si=IpfFeQulgumxLSwJ

[proud notch]

Us after listening to the fandom menace

Also I think I may be coming around to Ki-Adi being in acolyte, if they have a good explanation for the Sith vs Jedi problem in this show

[silk jacinth]

No Jedi said the word Sith yet

[cosmic siren]

i dont believe the word sith has even been mentioned by anyone in the series so far

seen a video of sam witwer calling out the people saying you not a fan for liking something as well as the people saying your sexist for not liking it. my god the amount of people denouncing him just because he happens to be an employee under disney

[silk jacinth]

He likes some stuff

And dislikes other

[crisp ravine]

thats so crazy of him

[cosmic siren]

he legitimately opens the argument saying hes not a fan of last jedi XD

and still people are saying "disney pays him, hes not allowed to say anything bad about the movies"

[proud notch]

It hasn't, im just saying if Teeth is a Sith and he outright says it to one of the 8 Jedi on Khofar, or Osha, or Mae, and they can cleverly craft a way to keep this info from the council or offer a fall guy, I think Ki-Adi was a neat choice based on the idea of the meme I shared

[crisp ravine]

ive never met anyone before who likes some stuff and dislikes others

[silk jacinth]

Qui-Gon: fights a dude wearing dark robes with a red lightsaber that fights similar to a Jedi=> SITH LORD!!!!!

[proud notch]

Ki-Adi: nuh-uh

[cosmic siren]

mace: yeah i dont think that happened

[silk jacinth]

Windu: nuh-uh x2

3 doritos later

Mace: maybe Qui-Gon was right

[proud notch]

Yoda:

[potent cape]

Hadn't maul killed a few jedi pre tpm anyway

[silk jacinth]

In Legends and Canon

[proud notch]

He killed that one Twilek Padawan in canon

[potent cape]

And the council still thought the sith were gone

[proud notch]

Right, but one lone Jedi padawan's death would probably go through the woodworks. There was that one clone wars arc where there's like 7 padawans in a Trandoshan hunting ground

[cosmic siren]

in legends 5 jedi go to tython and die fighting darth bane and zannah, their disappearance isnt investigated until after their lightsabers are found on ambria after killing the last "sith lord"

[silk jacinth]

Darovit?

[cosmic siren]

yep

and literally the only reason they go to ambria to begin with is because they got a message saying a living sith lord is there XD

[narrow lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/young-anakin-skywalker-star-wars-no-one-kill-gif-16386516

I can't believe they retconned Anakin's line in the same movie he said it 😤

[silk jacinth]

Why is kid Anakin more noble than adult Anakin?

[proud notch]

Sith radicalization

[silk jacinth]

Or Jedi

[silk jacinth]

Well well well looks like Yoda and Vernestra have a lot in common
https://youtu.be/dTFWEHW_REs?si=YewRNUR5_rS0vAoR

[cosmic siren]

There’s an experiment you can do with children around 2 to 3 where if you put a ball inside a cup infront of them and another person (grandma for example) then ask granny to leave and I front of only the child you move the ball to another cup. You then ask granny to come back into the room and ask the child which cup they think granny will look under. Most of the time the child will say the one you moved it too, because “well I seen you move it there so why wouldn’t they know”

The fandom here seems to think like these children for some reason. Because we the viewers KNOW it’s totally a sith cus the show is called acolyte and it is kind of obvious to us. But no one is thinking from the point of view in universe. How would the council know this is a sith?

[silk jacinth]

Exactly

[cosmic siren]

If chrome smile up here literally said “hey everyone! I’m a sith from the line of darth bane who all of you missed for a good 800 years!” How the hell would the council know?

Contrary to popular belief the Jedi don’t have a hive mind. They do still need talk to eachother

[crisp ravine]

At least the saber actually killed someone this time

I’d bet a substantial amount of money that this weeks episode will be a flashback and have nothing to do with that enormous cliffhanger

[silk jacinth]

Kelnacca a few episodes later

[silk jacinth]

😆

[wild cove]

I feel like I recognise that artist

I think they did some drawings of the characters from Neuromancer

[vast plank]

@crisp ravine

[proud notch]

Wave check

[silk jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/amazed-chip-skylark-shiny-teeth-fairly-odd-parents-impressed-gif-23883144

[tight sierra]

Where did you get this turnaround

[silk jacinth]

Instagram

Pewpewcrafts

[vast plank]

@crisp ravine

[crisp ravine]

modern art

[cosmic siren]

This shit entirely. As someone who sits dead centre in the political chart, it’s the same arguments from both sides,

[tight sierra]

https://youtu.be/CFMO7pl7C3w

[narrow lotus]

shamelessly pilfered from r/prequelmemes

[potent cape]

So far Mundi has no reason to think there is a sith 🤷‍♂️

[cosmic siren]

so the kel dor on khofar with the other jedi is called Ithia Paan. shes female. and of course people are finding an issue with this...

i hate this fucking community

[potent cape]

I haven't seen any complaints about that, thankfully

[cosmic siren]

your looking in better places than ive seen then

i envy you

[cosmic siren]

so just to add a little more fuckery on this ki-adi shit going on. according to the same media that gave us dudes age in legends, plo koon is 382 years old despite kel dor life spans only being an average of 70 years.

[potent cape]

Fay was immortal and near-human

We've known the force extends life spans lol

[cosmic siren]

yep. and yet here we are

and they say that the people making it dont know star wars

"they really couldnt give any roles in this show to men huh"
love when people prove they havent watched it

[tight sierra]

.... fay

is that counting how many men and women are in the team

[cosmic siren]

its counting specifically how many men are in the group because of people online saying that theres no male roles

[tight sierra]

i think i saw this for the group before, but when they were overlooking the forest and the camera was behind them, and the internet decided that Sol and man #3 were women due to their hair lengths.

even they counted Osha (which they didn't) there's still more men.

[cosmic siren]

i seen the same thing. i remember people saying "watch this entire group be women. so woke"

meanwhile men outnumber women literally 2 to 1 not counting osha

and lets not forget that ithia has literally no defining features or lines to say weather shes male or female in the show. they legitimately had to go through outside sources to give her the barest details of the character

[wanton stirrup]

you guys mind helping me get up to speed here? I haven't watched anything since boba fett. I wanna know the tea, why people are arranging a massive protest in battlefront II and all that.

spill the tea sis

[potent cape]

Lmao they're what

[tight sierra]

An online protest? In a multiplayer game no longer officially supported by DICE?

[potent cape]

Tldr though, a mix of it being a very average show with some valid reasons to not enjoy it, and people being sexist/bigoted etc

[silk jacinth]

I wish the saber hilts were better

The acting is ok

The sets are ok

Story ok so far but with great lore

Overall it's just like this Goku

[ocean jewel]

definitely an average tv show. no idea how something so middle of the road is getting the hate that it is.

[narrow lotus]

because it HAS to be a cinematic masterpiece or they can't enjoy it, duhhh

[cosmic siren]

Yeah pretty much. People have far too high expectations for Star Wars and so they’re not letting themselves enjoy everything that’s making it Star Wars

[ocean jewel]

and here i think back to the garbage we watched growing up. i tried watching old cartoons i revered and it just made me sad. rose colored glasses and all

[wild cove]

I do think there’s an undercurrent of frustration that it’s just more mediocre Star Wars

Would be nice to get something more than a generous 6.5/10 for once

Sure not everything has to be a masterpiece but not everything should be mid either

[proud notch]

South park

[proud notch]

Fuck em, can't wait for the Ithia Paan cosplays

[cosmic siren]

It never ceases to amaze me how people don’t understand they have a gods view of a show. Mae killing Jedi has nothing to do with the senate and they have no suspicion that there’s a sith at play. Why would the Jedi tell the senate about a private matter only for the public to get the wrong idea and panic or essentially ban Jedi from their worlds?

[silk jacinth]

Man the Stormtrooper helmets in ROTJ were terrible

The E-11 too

[silk jacinth]

Yoda told the same thing to Mace

In AOTC

[silk jacinth]

LOOK AT THAT SELKATH!!!!!!

Looks so cool

[proud notch]

That is so well done

[cosmic siren]

its a horrible thing when i see this and my immediate thought is "i wonder how people will say its bad this time"

[proud notch]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[frosty meadow]

osha's arrest in the first episode of the acolyte doesn't make any sense
she's presumed to be a jedi killer who's slain a respected Jedi master, so the council sends only two recently graduated Jedi knights to go arrest her?
and when they arrive, the Jedi don't do any investigative work to confirm how exactly Osha could've left the ship she was on to go kill Indara

[proud notch]

Yord was knighted two years ago

He literally says that when he's talking to Osha

[light ermine]

almost like the jedi are self assured in their belief and arrogantly think "oh yeah it's probably her". Yord is on edge the whole time, it's why he grabs his saber the second Osha does anything he might deem even mildly threatening lol

[frosty meadow]

and Indara was a fully fledged jedi master with way more experience, training and power

the jedi were never this stupid in the PT

[light ermine]

dawg be so fr right now, the jedi are incredibly stupid in the PT

[frosty meadow]

explain

what do they do that's comparable to this

[proud notch]

Ki-Adi Mundi

Just look at Ki-Adi Mundi and how he acts

[frosty meadow]

you mean with him commenting about the sith being extinct?

[proud notch]

Also how Luminara trains Barriss and treats Ahsoka

[proud notch]

And his line in AOTC and ROTS

[potent cape]

ngl the sith have been extinct for a millennium line is still fine, no one has any reason to believe there are any sith at that point

[proud notch]

Also yeah to add to his point, the Jedi at this time are basically cops with a monopoly on authority. You're not supposed to like how swift they are to accuse Osha

[light ermine]

the entire point of the prequels, clone wars, etc is that the jedi are arrogant assholes that rushed into a war they had no idea who was behind and allowed the failed training of the person who would later lead to their downfall

[proud notch]

So Yord and his Padawan taking Osha is not a plothole, it's that we aren't supposed to like the Jedi in this scene

[frosty meadow]

they make a point of bringing along the eye witness to identify Osha though

the story's clearly trying to set up Osha in a nigh-impossible situation to exonerate herself from

[proud notch]

So then why is this a plothole to you? You just undermined your third argument

They literally had the eye witness say it was her

[frosty meadow]

because Osha would need to leave the ship she was stationed on to actually go and kill Indara

[proud notch]

They had no idea Mae was alive at this time

[frosty meadow]

The Jedi don't check records, collecting statements or alibis, check security records, or do anything to confirm Osha actually left the ship

[proud notch]

They have the eye witness

I feel like this is a nitpick and not a plot hole then

[light ermine]

why would they when they could just capture the possible jedi killer right then and there? if I was them I'd want her under control as fast as possible and then figure out if she's innocent later, they literally do the same thing to ahsoka like 120 years later

[regal shell]

I mean, it’s better they bring her in for questioning than rely on the crew of the ship possibly covering for her if she actually did it.

[frosty meadow]

or the Jedi could've just had someone use the Force to pull the information they want directly from Osha's mind

we see them do it on other people yet not on her?

it'd exonerate her on the spot

[proud notch]

Can the Jedi pull from Force Sensitive minds?

[frosty meadow]

we've seen force users overpower weaker force users with the force before

[proud notch]

Even then, the Jedi are being established in this scene as strict and being authoritarians, Yord Jedi mind tricks a Nemoidian a scene before this

[frosty meadow]

and it's made clear later in the same episode Osha is very out of practice with the Force

[proud notch]

I feel like you're getting hung up on nitty gritty here

[light ermine]

the jedi know that?

[frosty meadow]

why would that stop them from trying?

[potent cape]

Escalating an arrest always go well

[light ermine]

yes, typically dark siders. unless they're weak minded that means they'd be taking it by force. that'd be like a cop punching you until you give up whatever information they want.

[frosty meadow]

Osha herself would want them to mind read her to confirm she's telling the truth

[proud notch]

Like yeah it might be interesting to have them check procedure, secure manifests or whatever, but the story doesn't need this like long list of IRL cop procedure to be good

[frosty meadow]

she has no reason to resist if she's even capable of doing so

[light ermine]

sounds like something they'd do in a novel. not a TV show with a mandated under 45min run time that needs to get to the next scene and fast

[proud notch]

Yeah exactly

[frosty meadow]

they can relegate this to lines of dialogue

[proud notch]

Again, they don't need to

[frosty meadow]

they do

it would build a case in osha's favour

and it'd actually be part of a proper investigation procedure

[proud notch]

Guess what also builds a case in Osha's favor? The next friggin episode when they witness Mae in person

[light ermine]

why would they want to do that? the whole point of the first 10-15 mins is to make the audience second guess and think this is the same person that killed Indara

[proud notch]

The point of the series mystery is not who killed the Jedi

[light ermine]

hence the "why didn't you come out with us to Nar Shaadaa last night" line

[frosty meadow]

so they don't because the plot demands it? that's not a good excuse

[potent cape]

Did Yord go to arrest Osha or put her on trial

[proud notch]

They don't because this is not necessary

Also yeah what Avsati said

I agree with you that the plot has some weird elements but this is the least plothole plothole

[light ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/vfhttrump-vfht06271961-grasping-at-straws-straws-grasping-gif-18044454

[potent cape]

You send some grunts out to grab the suspect, and then you get actual investigators to do the investigating while the murder suspect is in custody

[frosty meadow]

ok, then why send only two jedi knights rather than sending a larger number to conduct an investigation while Osha is brought into custody?

[cosmic siren]

One witness is enough to arrest for most cases here on earth, it’s fucked we all know it but the justice system is just as bad

[proud notch]

If you want a plothole go watch episode 2 and try to do the mental gymnastics of explaining how the clones work and why the Jedi even took them on when the Sifo-Dyas story is so sketchy even in their perception

[cosmic siren]

They didn’t even send 2 knights. They sent yord and his padawan

[proud notch]

Yord is a knight, of 2 years. He's still experienced and not brand new

[light ermine]

considering they kinda wanna keep this on the DL why would they send a large enough force that would attract a large amount of attention

especially if they think one of their own did this

[cosmic siren]

And the reason they sent yord is because he has a history with osha, he could potentially have talked sense into her

[frosty meadow]

yeah, they send the two of them against someone who they believe killed an experienced Jedi master. why not send a greater number of more powerful jedi in case there's a fight?

[narrow lotus]

Fr, no one even questioned why a Jedi Master would commission a whole ass ARMY lmao

[frosty meadow]

yord being sent isn't a problem, it's the fact the jedi aren't sending more to deal with what could be possibly a sith or dark side adept

[proud notch]

They figured he could handle it, did you want them to send Yoda, or Tera Sinube?

[potent cape]

No one is going to think it's a sith.

[proud notch]

He and his Padawan

[potent cape]

That's kind of the entire plot

[light ermine]

see Ep4 when they send like 10 jedi to deal with Mae, they don't know anything for sure until they get more details and deal with Mae personally

[frosty meadow]

they think Osha killed Indara, who's presumably more powerful and experienced than Yord is

[proud notch]

Also the Jedi are shown in this to be confident to a fault in their abilities

[cosmic siren]

Indara was killed with a knife. No one is going to think sith even during the l clone wars when we knew the sith were around. That’s not their style.

[light ermine]

why would they think that? she left the order several years ago when she was still a padawan

she killed a master yes, but it's clear that Mae only won through deception, not skill or power

[potent cape]

he meant indara.

[light ermine]

ah got it

[frosty meadow]

had me speechless there

[frosty meadow]

dude she's dangerous enough to kill a jedi master regardless

why take any chances?

[proud notch]

There's nothing at the start to suggest that Mae is a Sith or Dark Side Adept, in the Jedi's eyes.

Even then, Ki-Adi, Master Holden, and Vernestra Rwoh also conclude in EP 4 that Mae's master is either a rogue Jedi or some random splinter and they specifically ask not to inform the High Council. They are established to be more discreet with their choices as to avoid political scandal

[nova slate]

The Jedi aren’t exactly known for fair trials though… they were gonna persecute Ahsoka regardless of what happened no?

[proud notch]

Sending more Jedi than a random knight and Padawan would probably invite a political scandal

[frosty meadow]

yeah no the Jedi's logic there is faulty

[proud notch]

Yes

That's the point

[light ermine]

why didn't the jedi just read her mind /s

[proud notch]

The Jedi are fallible, we have to remember that the characters don't know all of our knowledge, we have a God's POV right now

[frosty meadow]

no what I mean is, if they were transparent with the high council about the case, it would create a stronger argument for the Jedi Order recruiting force sensitives since the Jedi can spin this incident as what happens when the Jedi aren't there to train and raise force sensitives

[proud notch]

Also not necessarily, they still don't know the Sith are a possibility

[frosty meadow]

it serves their goals

[nova slate]

At the risk of causing widespread panic that an ancient evil cult is alive and well, murdering Jedi across the galaxy. It’s between a rock and a hard place

[proud notch]

Eh, I don't agree. I think that depending on how they optically spin it, it would undermine them

[cosmic siren]

Because that’s how the Jedi role, they suspected that the clone wars were started by someone on the inside and chose to hide it from the senate.

The decision was incredibly dumb yes, but nothing out of character

[frosty meadow]

I wasn't talking about the clone wars, I was talking about the fact the Jedi only sent a knight and a padawan to arrest someone who they thought was capable of killing a master

[cosmic siren]

But your ignoring examples given to their character

[frosty meadow]

no, this is just incompetence on the jedi's behalf. the jedi in the PT were blind to a scheme that had been enacted against them in the shadows, but they weren't this incompetent

[proud notch]

The Jedi are also incompetent in PT

Look at Ki-Adi Mundi and how they straight up refuse to tell the Senate that their ability to sense with the force has diminished

This is not out of character for the Jedi Order at all

[frosty meadow]

that's not incompetence, that's them being afraid because of the way they're restricted by politics and red tape

[nova slate]

This is like asking “why does this cop show only send 1 cop and his partner to check out this murder suspect who may have killed a high ranking individual?”

[potent cape]

Just send the swat

[light ermine]

need the jets out there stat

[frosty meadow]

they literally have an eye witness who identifies Osha for them

[potent cape]

That's generally how they find suspects

[proud notch]

Indara was murdered? Send the 8 Jedi that are gonna get merked by the Sith on Tuesday

[nova slate]

Do cop shows not also have eyewitnesses? Still gotta follow standard procedure (then again half of cop shows are about breaking procedure to get answers)

[light ermine]

need the whole high council tbh

[frosty meadow]

then why send only two jedi rather than a full team for an investigation?

[potent cape]

because they're just putting her in custody

[proud notch]

Because dude it was just one girl who killed a Jedi, this is such a grasp at straws moment

[nova slate]

Maybe they’re part of an investigation section in the order idk I’m not the writer

[frosty meadow]

they can't do that and have an investigation team work at the same time?

[cosmic siren]

Because two should be enough

[proud notch]

They send 8 in ep 4 because there's a wider conspiracy

[frosty meadow]

they should've sent 8 or more from the beginning

[proud notch]

No, they shouldn't

[potent cape]

Probably, but you could also just send 2 and get the others doing investigation in the mean time 🤷‍♂️

[proud notch]

If they did it would be a wider political scandal

8 Jedi walk on a Trade Federation ship, what do you think the Nemoidians are gonna do?

[nova slate]

Idk maybe only 1 eyewitness wasn’t enough for them to be completely sure it was a master killer. Sending 2 not only reduces the lives taken, but is easier to cover up in case of problems arising

[light ermine]

I'm just imagining Osha opens her bunk door and there's like 8 jedi all squeezed in there

[proud notch]

Keep quiet and not try to say something in the Senate?

[frosty meadow]

1 eye witness was enough for them to arrest osha on the spot

[proud notch]

It's like that one Mortal Kombat meme of Johnny Cage opening the door

[nova slate]

Right. So then it’s a numbers thing. Why risk sending 8 at once, and potentially killing 8 members of the order, when you could send 2, see what happens, and if they are killed, replan and engage

[potent cape]

because she's a suspect lol

[cosmic siren]

Again look at the clone wars, case of an assassin, what’s the common response? “Send general skywalker and his apprentice”

[light ermine]

different kinda war I think

[frosty meadow]

they'll ask questions. so the jedi answer their questions, do what they can to reassure them, and go about their business

[proud notch]

8 Jedi

[frosty meadow]

entirely different context

the jedi are spread everywhere acting as generals

[proud notch]

No, the Federation would not just go about their business, they literally create scandals and block traffic

[frosty meadow]

and anakin and ahsoka ususally have an army backing them up

[light ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-ps5-sony-pony-gif-21602444

[nova slate]

Oh that’s also another point. Send 2 Jedi, a knight and padawan, people will assume they’re just exploring or something. Send 8 and people immediately know something’s up

[frosty meadow]

why would they do anything like that if the Jedi explain the situation properly?

[proud notch]

Exactly this

[potent cape]

They might've just been in the area.

lol

[proud notch]

Because the Trade Federation have a political interest to gain power and the Jedi stop this

Bro why would the Trade Federation gas the Jedi in episode 1? If they would just explain themselves, the Jedi would go away

Why would they send Droidekas? The Jedi are only asking questions

[frosty meadow]

how does the jedi taking in a suspect remotely get in the federation's way?

it'll cause more trouble for the federation if they interfere with jedi business

[cosmic siren]

Ok, ya want another example? During the legacy run disaster, an entire world is being evacuated, what do they do? “Send Lodan and his padawan”

[frosty meadow]

I can't comment on this one. I don't think I've heard of this incident

[proud notch]

Again, 8 Jedi is a manifesto, not a statement. It's unnecessary

[frosty meadow]

bruh

the jedi are there for osha

[proud notch]

Yes

[frosty meadow]

not for anything the trade federation might have done

[proud notch]

I'm sorry dude, this just feels like a grasp at straws

[nova slate]

If you send 8 the chances of them trying to dip or die trying increases immensely

[frosty meadow]

so give them osha and the jedi leave the ship sooner

[frosty meadow]

it feels like the reverse from my position

doesn't help I have to respond to like 4-5 people at once

[light ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-sky-walker-hayden-christensen-star-wars-point-of-view-jedi-are-evil-gif-14424424

[frosty meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-lost-obiwan-lava-hot-gif-5009969

[light ermine]

I also think the Trade Feds are hesitant to even acknowledge that they're using MekNeks in the first place is because is they're not supposed to be there, cheap, expendable labor, that could be under inspection by whatever star wars labor unions exist lol

[proud notch]

Beat me to it

[frosty meadow]

where did you get that from?

the show didn't imply or suggest Osha's job is illegal or anything

[potent cape]

uh

yes it does

[frosty meadow]

you'll have to remind me

[light ermine]

the fact that the jedi ask about them and the trade feds are like "uh no we don't have any of those on board" lol

[frosty meadow]

I genuinely don't recall that

[potent cape]

republic law says that only droids can work outside ships

[light ermine]

Jecki also brings this up in ep 2 lol

[frosty meadow]

aight my bad

but if the trade federation stops the jedi from arresting a murder suspect that's arguably worse than labour law violations

[potent cape]

The trade federation blockaded an entire planet, they have seats on the senate

I don't think they care.

[proud notch]

The Trade Federation are powerful enough to block economic trade

[frosty meadow]

then why even bother with this part in the first place?

[proud notch]

They still had seats in the Senate even after Nute Gunray was found to work with the CIS

[light ermine]

the jedi don't even say why they're there. just that they're looking for her and at the slightest hesitation they immediately pull out the potential of using the force on the trade feds

[nova slate]

Why do companies utilize the work of undocumented workers?

[frosty meadow]

yeah I'd argue that's poor writing for the Jedi

[proud notch]

Also Yord is very quick to reach for his lightsaber when confronting Osha, he's ready to use the heat he's packing

[light ermine]

how? shows that they're willing use their power for their own gain lol

[proud notch]

How?

[frosty meadow]

no I mean the trade federation doesn't want the republic to get on their asses for undocumented workers, but apparently Avsati thinks the trade federation also doesn't give a damn about interrupting a murder investigation by the Jedi?

[frosty meadow]

Jedi take the diplomatic approach whenever possible

[potent cape]

The trade federation, notable assholes, shady as fuck, known to be villains... doing something bad? Unthinkable

[frosty meadow]

runs counterintuitive to immediately mind-reading someone like how it's described above

[light ermine]

remember when Qui Gon swindled a lowly junk dealer to get what he wants, pretty diplomatic and not at all for his personal gain if I do say so myself

[proud notch]

Is it bad writing or is it showing how the Jedi fell from grace

Because by the time the Jedi are in PT, they are literally generals in a war

[frosty meadow]

I don't think you got the point. The trade federation doesn't want to upset the republic about one minor thing, but they're okay with pissing off the republic over something important?

[nova slate]

Ah, gotcha. Welp that’s ultimately coming down to what their priorities are. Republic halting profits? Horrible for business, could never recover, would absolutely get shut down. The Jedi? Yea they got powers and probably influence in the senate, but surely they cant be that powerful? Eh fuck it let’s just keep on chugging and ignore the Jedi, at worst it’s a couple of hippie dippie religious believers against a federation

[proud notch]

A war that cost lives of clones and created millions of refugees and possible collateral deaths

[potent cape]

Oh fair. It's late and my brain isn't brain rn

[frosty meadow]

watto was using loaded dice

qui-gon was justified

[nova slate]

Also the trial is Jedi business first and foremost, there’s even less of a reason for the TF to care I guess. At least if the republic was involved they’d have to cooperate to keep up appearances?

[light ermine]

you know that for sure?

[proud notch]

I'm pretty sure he was

[light ermine]

does the movie say that? I genuninely don't remember them establishing that

[nova slate]

Might’ve been in the novelization where they said it

[frosty meadow]

yes

[potent cape]

The book did say it

[light ermine]

but do they say it for sure in the film itself?

[potent cape]

SMH fake gambler weighting his dice. Real ones live life on the edge

[frosty meadow]

bad writing given the prequel jedi still adhere to the approach I describe above

[light ermine]

like I believe it I just don't recall them ever saying it in the film

[frosty meadow]

they become generals because it's necessary, not because they want to

[potent cape]

No. Only the book.

[light ermine]

ah so it doesn't really matter then lol

[proud notch]

I see it more as their go from being outright authoritarian to less authoritarian by the time of the PT

[frosty meadow]

it's implied but not outright stated in TPM the dice is loaded

[light ermine]

by who?

[nova slate]

Its tatooine. A place where you’ll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy, and watto clearly loves to gamble. Might not work on locals, but for a “tourist” like qui-gon? There’s no way he wouldn’t take the chance

[frosty meadow]

watch watto's reaction

he knows it's loaded but he can't just outright admit it was loaded

[nova slate]

He says that Qui-gon cheated. The only way he could have known is if his own dice were loaded

[proud notch]

Also this behavior isn't uncharacteristic of the Jedi Order in the High Republic, they cover up shit and are generally unbecoming of what typical good guys do in this era

They cover up the Nameless

[frosty meadow]

I'm not familiar with that

haven't read any high republic material

ah shit I've gotta wake up in about 6 hours

got an exam in 7 hours and 15 minutes

I really need to sleep

sorry to end the convo like this

hope there's no hard feelings

[nova slate]

Good luck with exams!

[potent cape]

You really have better things to be doing haha

[frosty meadow]

me and my poor life choices

[potent cape]

Tbf the jedi only send one extra when the prison ship gets fucked up

[proud notch]

And that extra is a Jedi Master

[light ermine]

either way this goes back to my original point that Qui Gon manipulated things for his own benefit. If he Qui Gon was truly the moral Jedi, he would've just let the force will it lol

[proud notch]

Interesting idea

[frosty meadow]

also weird they put osha on an unmanned prison ship with like a single droid guard

super insecure transport

[light ermine]

hey now, don't forget the chairs

[frosty meadow]

there's no way that ship was more secure than just bringing osha on the jedi's ship with them

they were already heading back to coruscant anyway

[potent cape]

Did we see what ship yord was flying

Was it a vector

[light ermine]

pretty sure the vector at most seats 2

[proud notch]

Yes it was a small ship that wouldn't have fit her

[nova slate]

To be fair, qui-gon has been established to be sort of a black sheep of sorts within the order. I can’t remember exactly where it’s been stated but he’s more of a “do what I believe is morally right” rather than “by the law of the order”

[frosty meadow]

bizarre choice if you're going to apprehend a suspect

dammit I'm doing it again

bed

must sleep

[potent cape]

The jedi ship budget was low that year

[frosty meadow]

later fellas

[light ermine]

again we don't know if they were just called out there, or happen to be in the area but either way doesn't really matter

[proud notch]

I can sorta understand the criticism of them not taking her in themselves instead of on a prison ship, but I don't think this is an egregious plothole

It's more of one than sending just Yord and Tasi

[light ermine]

yeah I too thought it was kinda odd

[narrow lotus]

Like they don't check the other guy for cybernetics that can hack the ship either.
All it's showing is the Jedi overconfidence and incompetence in this era.

[proud notch]

Exactly

Ki-Adi exemplifies this

[potent cape]

Does he

[proud notch]

Maybe not as much as he does in PT

[vast plank]

YT is soo full of this Rage-Bait Brainrot

it is giving me a headache

[light ermine]

dang all this though because I brought up that Star Wars has always been an always retconning, inconsistent franchise since day 1 lol

[nova slate]

I’d argue that he doesn’t exemplify it, maybe more so that he’s a great example as to how and why the order might have their attitude in the PT

[proud notch]

Would you characterize the Jedi in PT as feckless? If so, I'd probably agree with that argument

[narrow lotus]

Lol

[cosmic siren]

It was in light of the Jedi. The first high republic novel

[proud notch]

At least, with how they dealt with the idea of the Sith and Dooku being a murderer

[proud notch]

Is that THE Carly King tweeting that lol

[light ermine]

Was literally lol'ing at this earlier

[narrow lotus]

Yeah, she's been on a tirade all week lol

[proud notch]

Ah

Understandable honestly

I'm high-key disappointed in the fandom rn

Not at y'all, we are civil about the discussion

[cosmic siren]

Thank you for this, will keep that around

[proud notch]

And not like wokespotting, review bombing, and sending death threats to wookieepedia

(of course, I know that the people doing this are the minority, but it's still incredibly disappointing to see this minority grow larger)

[light ermine]

I knew the discourse around this show was going to be exhausting but it's been so bad lately lol

[proud notch]

Another thing, Carrie Fisher's height is 5'3 so this was inaccurate in 1980

[narrow lotus]

The majority of fans just watch the movies and go the fuck home 🤣
Anyone talking about anything online is already in the minority

[proud notch]

Real

How's it feel being terminally online y'all

[narrow lotus]

"Star Wars is dead!"
Okay so why haven't they all flopped at the box office?

[crisp ravine]

What is this the Supreme Court?

[cosmic siren]

Someone’s bullshitting here and idk who. Cus Star Wars theory certainly seems like he’s just getting more pissed with the episodes, not excited.

[proud notch]

I think this is a shitpost

[cosmic siren]

Thought so as well until I seen this

[proud notch]

Bro it annoys me to no end when people say that the sequels failed. Like, in what metric? The only metric that matters to Disney is money, and even TROS made a boatload

[proud notch]

That account tags star wars theory core and that account is a parody account

[crisp ravine]

Also the whole argument of “why diDnT tHeY jUsT miNdrEad oShA??11” is p fucking stupid. Like who wants to have their mind read? The Jedi even seem to be hesitant doing it in the prequel era. They use a lot of mind tricks but rarely ever read minds.

[light ermine]

people will be like "SEE TLJ/TROS DIDN'T MAKE AS MUCH AS TFA, DISNEY KILLED THE FRANCHISE" while not mentioning that TFA was literally one of the most hyped films of all time, bigger than god lol and not mentioning things like diminishing returns, and the fact that the others are still within the top 40 biggest box office films of all time

[cosmic siren]

If we went with Star Wars fans definition of dead then people would be shipped off to the morgue when they stubbed their toe

[crisp ravine]

Mind reading also isn’t explicitly defined, most of what we know is people being able to sense emotions and the intensity of them. It’s not just closing your eyes and just knowing literally every single thing the other person knows immediately.

[nova slate]

To be fair it doesn’t help that obi-wan was kinda using them willy-nilly in the OT

[proud notch]

If anything, it's just not the top culturally dominant IP

[light ermine]

mind trick is different than mind read. mind trick is projecting a thought into someone's head. mind read is more like what Vader or Kylo use (though Kylo's is more invasive)

[proud notch]

The original 6 always will though

[nova slate]

Regardless, it’ll still get people being like” JUST USE THE THING WITH NO HESITATION! WHY DIDN’T THEY JUST USE FORCE POWER TO FIGHT BAD GUY”

[light ermine]

exactly, directly reading someone's mind is generally seen as a not morally right thing in the franchise too

[nova slate]

And the simplest as always is gonna be “cause lightsaber battles are cooler to watch”

[proud notch]

There's an argument to be made of how much content can we keep making in the SW universe before it becomes stale and tired. But, this was a problem before Disney, there just wasn't a lot of live action content, which was always going to be the most majority consumed content

Imagine if Force Unleashed came out today, would we be hearing SW is dead because Shaak Ti was given another death and that game had its own Death Star plans stolen moment?

[light ermine]

don't forget "BUT THEY SAID VADER NEVER HAD HIS OWN APPRENTICE, RETCON, SPITTTING ON THE CANON"

[nova slate]

The SW universe is big enough to keep innovating theoretically. It does kinda depend on the willingness to expand past links to the skywalker saga, along with fan receptions and whether it can be applied well. Impossible? No, but absolutely difficult

[proud notch]

If the people who only consumed live action stories consumed the books, comics, and games of legends would be saying the same shit they're saying about Acolyte

[proud notch]

They play TFU2 and have an aneurysm when he gets captured

Ruins Vader's character

Would the people who say the Thread breaks canon also say the same thing of Kreia trying to literally kill the Force in Kotor 2?

[light ermine]

The thread thing breaking canon is also the funniest thing to me because it's literally just restating the same force stuff we've heard since 77 with a slightly different coat of paint. if anything people should be melting down about the nightsisters which are radically different force users lol

[proud notch]

Exactly, but George approved the night sisters

Or probably more correctly, the show wasn't watched by emboldened anti-woke conservatives in 2008-2012

[nova slate]

Obama had just gotten office, racism was dead of course. Nothing of the sort ever existed then/s

[light ermine]

it's also funny that they were supposed to be nightsisters too before Filoni had Leslye branch out and do her own thing. it's really interesting watching the show knowing it was originally supposed to be a ventress story because all the puzzle pieces line up and echo it lol

[proud notch]

God the amount of racism disguised as dumb pedantic bs was crazy back then though

[vast plank]

LMAo

[proud notch]

Dijon Mustard and tan suit

[vast plank]

someone once called me the N-word cause I messed up the oryx boss encounter, mistook r2 for r1 lmao

[proud notch]

Bruh

[nova slate]

nahhhhh not the raid team hitting the slurs

[vast plank]

least toxic raider

[proud notch]

I got called the F slur yesterday in salvation's edge before the raid even started

[proud notch]

My favorite raid moment is when someone said it was gay that Amanda Holliday's dad died from a disease

Fellas is it gay to die of anything besides being shot

[vast plank]

I wonder what they think of the Pigeon and the Phoenix then

[cosmic siren]

Ya

[nova slate]

They claimed it was a retcon and doesn’t actually exist. They’re just really good brothers in their eyes…

[vast plank]

they kissed in a cutscene

dafuq

[nova slate]

Eyes shut

Only open for particle effects and big explosions

[proud notch]

Based /j

[proud notch]

Probably woke and gay

And to that I say:

[nova slate]

Listen if you can get called gay and doxxed for liking women and making a slightly cringy song about it, I’m pretty sure dying is the gayest thing you can do

[proud notch]

Jocat?

[nova slate]

Yep

[proud notch]

Bro was a real one

[proud notch]

See, but if you like women, it's gay. Because women like dick and liking dick is gay

[nova slate]

Oh of course, I forgot that the transitive property applied to attraction

[proud notch]

Silly woman enjoyer

[nova slate]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[proud notch]

The Witness in excision

[lone coral]

I feel like getting shot is the most gay way to die. Who else dies from getting penetrated by something hard and fast.... 😆

[proud notch]

Oh my god

Fuck

EVERYTHING IS GAY

[nova slate]

Nah, getting stabbed is way gayer. You’re getting penetrated slowly by something either pretty big or kinda average

And grunting for a lot of it

[light ermine]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-mexican-standoff-finger-guns-michael-scott-dwight-schrute-gif-15805326

[proud notch]

Is there anything free from the gay?

[lone coral]

https://tenor.com/view/emma-langevin-emma-langevin-tahg-tom-and-harrison-gifs-gif-22286420

[proud notch]

Ki-Adi Mundi: Impossible, the gays were in hibernation for 11 months

[light ermine]

according to some people: the EU lmao

[proud notch]

Fun fact: I actually learned from my friends in the Mando mercs that there was a gay Mando during the Vong War and Darth Caedus stuff

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Goran_Beviin

I think the picture is a Vong impersonating him

Looks like an average Destiny Hunter though

[crisp ravine]

It’s literally an infinitely expanding universe. There is an unlimited supply of content. But none of it is in between these 9 movies we’ve got

[proud notch]

You could argue though that Star Wars is the story of the Skywalkers only, or simply just the stuff that George Lucas wrote

[crisp ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-patrick-star-sleep-sleeping-snoring-gif-5874188292414903034

[proud notch]

That only Lucas can authentically write it

[proud notch]

Understandable

[crisp ravine]

You’ve seen some of Lucas’s ideas right? Did you see what he originally wanted Starkiller to be named? Just because he created the universe doesn’t mean he should be the only one that ever makes content for it

[nova slate]

sometimes a creator needs to be told "no"

[crisp ravine]

Like he’s had some dogshit ideas that make some of disneys choices look award winning

[lone coral]

Disney has also taken some bad ideas, and turned them into cherished characters. Look at Garazeb Orrelios.

[proud notch]

I don't agree with the argument that only Lucas can write it, I'm just stating for argument's sake

[crisp ravine]

Gonky in bad batch is the best example

[proud notch]

Each fictional universe is a different story, could this argument apply to Star Trek? Probably not. I'd say that Dune, for example, can only be written by Frank Herbert.

Though this is all subjective

[tight sierra]

No he doesn't. He threatens to and the other Nemoidian blurts out where the Mekneks are

[lone coral]

Accurate. The threat of using the Force is enough, and Yord knows it. Look at his grin in that scene.

[proud notch]

Maybe authoritarian was the wrong word lol

Less tactful, less of using the force for knowledge and defense

[tight sierra]

Hey remember when the Jedi used the force to torture Cad Bane

[nova slate]

what are you talking about? the jedi are perfect and have never done any wrong whatsoever?/s

[proud notch]

I know the word: forceful

The Jedi are established as forceful in this scene

[nova slate]

https://tenor.com/view/ironic-star-wars-chode-gif-5274592

[proud notch]

Thank you

I can always trust star wars fans to get my puns and use prequel memes

[tight sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/george-lucas-its-poetry-rhymes-gif-19518899

[proud notch]

But yeah the Jedi are established in this scene as forceful and willing to break certain boundaries

I guess my initial thought is that's authoritarian

[lone coral]

I can see where you're coming from. The throughline of that attitude from this era through the Clone Wars is really clear. Yes, in general, the Jedi are the heroes of Star Wars, but their flaws are what really make them interesting.

[tight sierra]

Not sure what's worse, forceful extraction of information through the Force or threatening to use the Force and scaring the information out of people

[proud notch]

Yord's also shown to be pretty quick to show force when reaching for his saber, which contrasts to Indara who didn't pull her saber immediately

[lone coral]

And one of those flaws is the tendency to use their immense power irresponsibly in the name of "doing the right thing", i.e. torturing Cad Bane, or acting as field generals during a war.

[nova slate]

at least one gives an illusion of choice

isn't much, but at least it's something

[proud notch]

Yeah and I think this nuance is lost on people. The Jedi are still good and better than the Sith, but they are flawed and corrupt by optics and institutional preservation

[lone coral]

Thats what frustrates me about some critics of the Acolyte. Of course the Jedi aren't perfect. They aren't meant to be

[proud notch]

Yeah

[tight sierra]

Average audiences will not be critical thinkers, they think Star Wars is black and white and won't read between the lines

They'll miss details

[proud notch]

I want to ask the people who think this show is saying Jedi bad what they think of Paul Atreides

[lone coral]

To be fair, a loud group of those audiences only want one of those colors...

[tight sierra]

Heck, you yourself thought Yord did mind trick the Nemoidian lol

[proud notch]

And compare this stuff to how the dune movies portray him

[nova slate]

that conversation was very big during the Dune pt 2 release time frame. It boiled down to most still thinking he was justified or something iirc

[proud notch]

To be fair, I haven't rewatched that episode

Dune Messiah is gonna piss so many people off because they didn't understand the movie

[tight sierra]

I dont rewatch shows either ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ocean jewel]

ironically. frank herbert was super conservative.

[proud notch]

He was?

He was homophobic

[ocean jewel]

oh yeah. he'd be super maga today

[proud notch]

I feel like his politics align more with anarchist thought than maga

[ocean jewel]

it wasn't a mistake that he made the fremen more similar to most in the middle east.

[proud notch]

Just based on his criticisms of political structure in Dune

[ocean jewel]

and used jihad very heavily to describe what paul was up to

[proud notch]

Yeah but that doesn't mean he was islamophobic or condoned Paul's jihad

He just based the fremen on various middle eastern culture

[ocean jewel]

yeah i went down that rabbit hole awhile back after i finished the first book.

[nova slate]

More libertarian than straight conservative, but still had some weird takes

[proud notch]

Yeah I just read a reddit and it described him as libertarian

It says he voted for Republicans but this was before the party switch and the southern strategy

He didn't like Reagan

[nova slate]

Weird to learn he was related to McCarthy

[ocean jewel]

what the hell did i read then. lol

[proud notch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/dune/comments/hk0m9w/was_frank_herbert_leftwing_or_rightwing/

The top comment has a 3 part link of an interview. Haven't read it all yet so it might be wrong

He always seemed anarchistic to me from reading his work, but not as overly as this other sci Fi writer whose name escapes me

[ocean jewel]

naw. i think you are right. although i do see him leaning more towards maga than rino today

[proud notch]

He could, maga is more populist than neo conservatism

[ocean jewel]

anyways. i do agree that so many people are going to be upset seeing messiah and realizing that paul is not the good guy

[proud notch]

True

If it's anything like what happened when the book came out

[ocean jewel]

misunderstanding the message from so many stories we consume is crazy to me

i'm about 3/4 of the way through children of dune. its been a slog fo rme

[proud notch]

The thought I had while reading some of the dune Messiah backlash was it's kinda similar to Last Jedi backlash

[narrow lotus]

I stopped halfway through God Emperor of Dune. Need to finish them lol.

[proud notch]

Just wait till you read God Emperor 😅

[ocean jewel]

i got distracted by a few new games/shows so i haven't really sat down and just read.

people are always sad to see a character not go the way they thought they should.

[nova slate]

I’m tempted to start Dune but I still need to finish House of Leaves first

[narrow lotus]

I got distracted by faster paced stuff lol. And I spent 5 months re-reading The Wheel of Time.

[proud notch]

Me with red dead. I finished rdr2 on memorial Day and I wanted to play rdr1 but Final Shape and acolyte came out same week

Now HotD, Boys, Smiling Friends, and My Adventures with Superman are out sooooo

[ocean jewel]

only so many hours in a day. luckily sports season will die down for a minute too lol

[hoary star]

Hunters wish they had cloaks like... Also can't tell if their armor is symmetrical due to said cloak

[proud notch]

I would kill for hunters to get a cloak that covered their chest

Or a cal kestis poncho 😩

[hoary star]

or symmetrical armor

[proud notch]

Real

There's been more symmetrical lately but yeah

[narrow lotus]

I usually watch shows/movies while playing video games.... can't really do the same with a book (I just tune out audio books when I tried that while gaming lol)

[proud notch]

I'm at least happy I have so many kama-style marks for my titan main

[narrow lotus]

So my book backlog has piled up again since covid

[proud notch]

I wish I had that power

I listen to video essays while grinding

[hoary star]

I've been trying to learn Korean lately... I'm bad at it

[proud notch]

I love her

Protect Ithia Paan at all costs

[nova slate]

An interesting take on SW fandom

[ocean jewel]

thats not wrong.

we look back and remember something that isn't real.

[proud notch]

Yes

Idk the age of y'all, but I was a kid when prequels came out. I was not in on the prequels discourse, but I've heard from others who were around that it was similar to this discourse

Plinkett said it best "it didn't ruin your childhood, it disappointed your adulthood"

[light ermine]

George Lucas didn't ruin my childhood, polio did

[lone coral]

A buddy of mine sent me this image this morning, and wow does it hold true. I think thats why people have such a hard time with change in general. Our memories are basically an idealized version of the past, and a lot of the negatives get stripped away, reworked, or hidden by our own minds.

[crisp ravine]

George Lucas didn’t ruin my childhood, and neither did Disney. And anyone who genuinely believes that is batshit insane

[proud notch]

But lightsaber dropshippers did

Jk

[proud notch]

A strictly personal silver lining to this acolyte stuff is if I like this show by the end and it's reputation is still as negative as it is right now, I can get the black series figures for cheap in like a year

Or maybe less than a year

Praying for the Sol figure being $5 at Ross

[silk jacinth]

I think that me in my late teens/very early 20s would have been more vocal

Then I grew up and started to think that getting mad about fiction is dumb

When you have bigger or more important problems

I'm 31 and the last thing I need is to get angry about a tv show

[proud notch]

For me I explored many fandoms and listened to how they reacted about new additions to the canon

Like the Fallout, halo, Dune, and Gears communities all talk about how they don't like their IP is after a trading of hands or change in writers.

Also I already had my fan rage moment at an IP with Halo and have gotten over it. In my opinion, Halo is a way more mismanaged IP than SW

[narrow lotus]

most of these angry whiners are 35+ lmao

[narrow lotus]

lol yeah there's a reason I haven't played any since Halo 4

[cosmic siren]

Did count dooku ever have another name or was it always singular dooku with count or master before it?

[proud notch]

I think just dooku

It was the same way for Palpatine before one of the Disney books gave him the first name of Sheev

[proud notch]

Halo 4 was so good

Story wise, I'm indifferent on multiplayer

[narrow lotus]

It works like fuedal lords
He's Count Dooku of Serenno
So he could also be called Count Serenno or Dooku Serenno

[proud notch]

That would make sense

[tight sierra]

and then Guardians resurrected Cortana only for Infinite to kill her before the first cutscene

[cosmic siren]

that actually makes quite a bit of sense. thanks

[crisp ravine]

halo lore made no sense after 4

[proud notch]

Halo 5 was my Last Jedi

Completely ruined the very heartfelt story of Cortana's rampancy (btw, one of the writers wrote that as a tribute to his mother who was suffering from dementia) because they wanted a recognizable villain

Also I LOVED the Didact

A waste of a very interesting character to just "contain" him off in a comic and write him out of the story

Love or hate Disney Star Wars, but at least they don't kill off main characters in some spinoff book like they did with Rookie or Didact, or Skynet Cortana in Infinite offscreen

[nova slate]

isn't didact like technically not dead either too? like dude just got knocked into slipstream twice

[proud notch]

Yes but I haven't read Epitaph

He's contained in the Domain but before Epitaph he was effectively dead

Also he was composed even though halo 4 suggested he could not be

[tight sierra]

And that's why MCC doesn't include Guardians

[tight sierra]

tf is that first image

[cosmic siren]

one of the black eyed children

[silk jacinth]

Mae

[tight sierra]

wait

is this from a tv spot that i refuse to watch because i've been keeping myself to just the first trailer

[silk jacinth]

Episode 3

[hoary star]

I mean as long as your willing to ignore the fact that it's pronounced different sure

[tight sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/haruka-sawamura-kazuma-kiryu-yakuza-slap-gif-19038628

[hoary star]

I was a kid when the prequels came out... I still prefer the original trilogy but mainly because I feel like it has better overall writing and I'm apparently weird for thinking that CG isn't super important to my enjoyment of a movie

[silk jacinth]

I was 6-12 when they came out

I prefer the Originals over them

Even the Sequels over them

[potent cape]

It was on the snowy planet that Osha crashed on

[small sphinx]

I feel when Attack of the Clones was mostly shot on green screen the actors are not able to correctly convey feelings that corresponded to the cgi environments they were placed into.
The Volume definitely eliminates this issue as it’s the best of both.

[wild cove]

See I think the volume looks crap

I still think practical sets are the way to go

[potent cape]

I think both are fine but I prefer practical sets

because it's just kinda neat

[ocean jewel]

really depends on the scenes.

[uncut kayak]

the volume only works well on scenes with longer lenses

as soon as you go to wide angle focal length the volume becomes more obvious and begins to feel like a room

i think the way to did it in TFA worked pretty well

[ocean jewel]

i think some of it depends on budget and what exactly you are shooting.

i expect a movie to be different than a tv show.

[uncut kayak]

I'm still impressed with how well The Creator was made with a budget of $80M

[ocean jewel]

until you just said that i had completely forgotten that i watched that. which is weird because i enjoyed it a lot

washington is stepping out quite well from his fathers shadow.

[uncut kayak]

I learnt about its budget after watching and i was so surprised like I thought it was a huge budget

[ocean jewel]

i would have thought it had more budget than it did for sure

[uncut kayak]

they shot the whole thing on a sony fx3 which is not considered a industry standard cinema camera

at least not when comparing it to a Red or an Arri camera

[ocean jewel]

i'd like to pretend like i know what any of those are haha

[uncut kayak]

the FX3 is like a entry level cinema camera, tiny form factor costs like 3-4K

a full arri or sony venice setup is closer to like 100-200K probably even more depending on what lens you're sticking on the front of it

[potent cape]

movie budgets are wild af

One of my fave films (the raid) had a budget of 1.1m

[ocean jewel]

i still look back at clerks as that was one of my favorites

[uncut kayak]

it all depends on the team of people on set and how well the budget is used

[uncut kayak]

what a film

[potent cape]

lil sad how they used those actors in star wars lmao

If there's one thing I'll actually be mad at disney for, it's that

[vast plank]

Is the episode live

or is it tonight at 9

[potent cape]

should be uhhh

12 hours from nowish

[uncut kayak]

ah we he go, an arri alexa 65 which was used for Dune, The Acolyte, the Batman, House of the Dragon, the last of us. Costs 150K just for the camera body alone

wild

[small sphinx]

Nothing will ever beat practical for sure, or filming out on location.

[light ermine]

lol whenever people bring up the RT user scores for Acolyte being evidence of "the people have spoken" I just gotta point this out

[narrow lotus]

I love how people are like "I hope we get a duel as good as TPM in this next episode!" and I'm just like..... https://youtu.be/J0mUVY9fLlw

Yes, yes give us more bobbing around, waltz steps, swinging like a drunkard, and aiming to the side plz 🙏

[silk jacinth]

I would like duels like in the OT but faster

I never enjoy fan made duels

99.99% of them look fake as fuck

(In terms of choreography)

https://youtu.be/ol1wilGODK8?si=g2TVrrzNoJ3Xuj7O

Or this

😖

[narrow lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-greta-thunberg-gif-15130785

https://youtu.be/8NE5elL30w4

Fkn classic

[crisp ravine]

I’m about to shatter your world man

ALL the duels that ever appeared in SW are fake

[cosmic siren]

The Ryan Wieber duels are always great

Shame Ryan vs Nate never came out

[hoary star]

they meant poorly done in a way that makes them look like they were just going through the motions.

[silk jacinth]

Exactly

Or this one
https://youtu.be/AmR5LoyZ4jw?si=Wj0ybOQoyWl16jQ7

[tight sierra]

two minutes

HOLY FUCK ||CORTORSIS WEAVE HELMET||

[weary sable]

EXCUSE ME

[narrow lotus]

AND BRACER???

or phrik?

[weary sable]

Did the lightsaber short out or did it deflect?

Cortosis causes sabers to short iirc?

[narrow lotus]

it shorted

[weary sable]

OH YEAH BABY THAT'S CORTOSIS

[narrow lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-disney-yo-turned-her-gif-12251191

[tight sierra]

CORTORSISSSSSSSSSSSS

[regal shell]

good ep. Those lightsabers looked extra thick tonight though.

[tight sierra]

this dude got all the extra perks

it's like he paid for the battlepass and weapons

[cosmic siren]

OH SHIT i forgot! i cant be in here yet!

[tight sierra]

https://imgur.com/spea4lv

[regal shell]

im glad they arent afraid taking out numerous characters

[proud notch]

I screamed

[tight sierra]

DUDE THE ENTIRE SQUAD (except Sol) GOT WIPED

[narrow lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/oscars-oscars2017-sara-bareilles-memoriam-gif-7885489

I feel like we need a death recap like Talking Dead did for TWD after each episode lmao

[light ermine]

Damn ||Yord and Jecki's deaths really got me, so brutal||

[vast plank]

Good episode

inb4 the grifters

[weary sable]

I can already hear the sound of "THE ACOLYTE EPISODE 5 IS THE WORST ONE YET??" YouTube videos.

[vast plank]

I went on a Channel blocker spree

thank god for that extention

sooo many grifters and lowlives

[tight sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-just-stop-please-stop-stop-it-meme-gif-26307878

[light ermine]

I genuinely don't know how even those people could hate it, this legit felt like somewhat inspired by the choreography of the swtor cutscene stuff

[tight sierra]

anyways here's the Jecki Jam and the Yord Horde tonight

https://twitter.com/StarWarsExplain/status/1805752836787257804

Star Wars Explained (@StarWarsExplain) on X

Good luck everyone!

Twitter · Jun 26, 2024, 12:00 AM

[olive dust]

Choreo was absolutely mint

Quimir has definitely entered my top 7 Star Wars characters he’s so fuckin dope bro

This episode really felt like a live action clone wars imo

[weary sable]

OMG YOU'RE ALIVE

[proud notch]

We still got Sol Patrol

[narrow lotus]

They already review bombed it down to a 2.6 an hour before it aired

[proud notch]

The choreography was so fucking good

[weary sable]

Bruh what the fuck.

[proud notch]

Also was his lightsaber the other lightsaber they wanted to introduce?

[narrow lotus]

yeah, I like the look of his

[proud notch]

Headland said she wanted another lightsaber type besides the whip

[tight sierra]

probably. previews said his lightsaber was special, no?

wait where's Vernestra's whipsaber

[light ermine]

Split saber like Cal, I'm guessing the difficult part may have been because it was harder to miniaturize the tech to fit that small for stunt purposes

[proud notch]

That was so cool

Kinda want his lightsaber now

[narrow lotus]

meh all they need for a stunt prop is a battery and an LED
you only need like 5" of install space if that's all you're putting in there

[olive dust]

Yes hahaha

[proud notch]

Also wanna cosplay him

Did Alex Garcia Lopez direct any other episode in this show?

[regal shell]

i know, im honestly surprised lol

[cosmic siren]

holy shit

holy shit. this episode was insane

yord.... ||i legitimately gagged at that neck snap||

[narrow lotus]

bro bringing that Old Republic energy

[regal shell]

the lightsaber dueling was improved compared to other shows

[proud notch]

Yeah this was good

[cosmic siren]

dafnee said they were trying to rival phantom menace

[proud notch]

I can't say if it's duel of the fates good yet buttttt

Still very good

[cosmic siren]

id say they did pretty damn good

[weary sable]

I wish this episode could save The Acolyte as a show but I doubt people will even give it a chance.

[regal shell]

Wasn't that good lol but still improved over most of the recent shows

[tight sierra]

at least this 2v1 was better than Dooku's duel in AOTC

[proud notch]

Also rip Ithia Paan, only I cared about her 😭

[proud notch]

Real

[cosmic siren]

nope people will definitely still not give it a change

anyone wanna take bets on what people are going to be mad at this time?

[weary sable]

The choreography.

[proud notch]

Also I'm like dumb and don't know how to cover text so sorry if I'm doing something wrong by not covering

[proud notch]

Cortosis

[nova slate]

use || on both sides of the text you want censored

[weary sable]

If y'all are saying it's good then everyone else is gonna be saying it's trash.

[proud notch]

"why didn't they make more of this stuff" they'll say, even though legends had an answer

[cosmic siren]

i kinda hope this is the case XD

[proud notch]

I don't, but I've resigned myself to this show being another captain marvel for these shitlords

[weary sable]

I don't know what that means (not a Marvel fan oof) but yeah.

[nova slate]

overly criticized for comments those a part of the crew and cast working on it made, when the end result is probably decent at worst, and pretty good at best

[weary sable]

Is this in reference to the Anakin blowing up the Death Star?

[cosmic siren]

the guy misspoke

[proud notch]

Basically what he said

[nova slate]

multiple things i think. a better comparison though might be brie larson to the showrunner?

[proud notch]

This is is just another mid show at best and not the canon murderer SWT wants you to believe

[proud notch]

That too

Idk, Quartering, Geeks and Gamers, and that group will be making rage bait videos about Leslye for the rest of time

[cosmic siren]

prediction. pip is going to be the thing that tips off sol about mae. something is going to happen to prevent sol from reporting to the council

[proud notch]

Found the first complaint

[narrow lotus]

idk man, after watching this breakdown I just can't unsee how bad some of the choreography for it really was simply because they expect your eyes to be glued to the glowy sticks being swung around https://youtu.be/J0mUVY9fLlw?si=6pVloLZyHWw-Fj40

[proud notch]

Yeah but culturally it probably will never overthrow it. Also, there's probably weird things in the choreography too if you take a fine comb to it

Who knows, maybe 10 years from now, this show will get a prequel memes treatment and be rehabilitated against something new to hate or whatever

[narrow lotus]

I believe he said... "You would call someone like me Sith"

not "I am Sith!"

[proud notch]

Bro Nia can you just wait for the show to finish

[olive dust]

Even if he was it still doesn’t break canon, obviously sol is gonna die lmaoo

[narrow lotus]

like the Jedi wouldn't describe him as anything else because that's all they know

[proud notch]

Can't describe much when they're dead

[regal shell]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-emperor-palpatine-i-am-all-the-sith-power-gif-16611942

[olive dust]

SWT still acting like this was the last episode and ended with sol telling the council about him 😭😭

[proud notch]

Sol is not making it out of this alive

[narrow lotus]

no, he's already on his alt accounts on IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes review bombing before each episode airs

[proud notch]

Real

What was the line about the clones in EP 2

[narrow lotus]

My prediction: everyone dies

[proud notch]

200,000 with a million more on the way?

[narrow lotus]

Qimir kills all the Jedi involved, Osha and Mae kill each other, then Plagueis swoops in and kills Qimir because he's not a real Sith and did drew too much attention with his dumb shit

[proud notch]

That would be hilarious

[olive dust]

Wonder who qimir’s master is

[proud notch]

What do we think his sith name is?

[olive dust]

Jason Mendoza

[tight sierra]

what do you expect from the illiterate

[narrow lotus]

ending with Tenebrous going "Two there shall be, no more, no less."

[tight sierra]

anyways,
saturday

Star Wars (@starwars) on X

@salacious_dum @anabelle_dawn believe me when i say that you need to watch it live

Twitter · Jun 22, 2024, 4:58 PM

today

Star Wars (@starwars) on X

@salacious_dum @anabelle_dawn did i lie

Twitter · Jun 26, 2024, 1:53 AM

[nova slate]

really thinking about this line nowadays is confusing. did they mean like 200,000 squads? 200,000 units?

[proud notch]

I can't see what these are in reply to, I don't have twitter

[tight sierra]

themselves

[proud notch]

That's the neat part, they don't know

Clone military structure is not as concrete

[shrewd heron]

Woah... Not fucking around

[nova slate]

star wars tag on twitter is insane. you get Acolyte discussions, chudposting, and then some guy making mando armor out of the piece of his car that fell off when he got rear ended

[proud notch]

If I see a Muun or a Bith I will be Disney's biggest defender till I die

[proud notch]

Ah yes, the three genders I hear so much about/j

[nova slate]

https://x.com/1610SPlDEY/status/1805025516434436347

javi (@1610SPlDEY) on X

STAR WARS FANS ARE SO FUCKING COOL BRO ARE YOU JOKING

Twitter · Jun 23, 2024, 11:49 PM

[proud notch]

Sending this to my Mando mercs

[weary sable]

Honestly the way Jecki died was so hardcore.

Like no bruh once apparently wasn't enough for him, he had to gut her two extra times just for funsies.

[silk jacinth]

And it's worse because many of those were Council members, in TA 1 master, 1 padawan and the rest knights

[tight sierra]

.... i should do this with my car

[proud notch]

Aaaaand they were in spitting distance of him many times over the course of like 13 years

[tight sierra]

oh that is twisted

[weary sable]

You know what I'm gonna say it.

Qimir is hot.

[regal shell]

just like his neck

[weary sable]

FOUL

[tight sierra]

Like I said, twisted

[proud notch]

Bro nooooooo

[proud notch]

Agreed, and I'm straight

[olive dust]

Would absolutely be gay for him

[nova slate]

I see it. He’s got that rat-like charm face wise

[proud notch]

Fuck I'm gonna need to tone my arms if I wanna cosplay him 😭😩

[tight sierra]

damnit I gotta work out now

[proud notch]

So glad we got a sleeveless sith look in live action

[olive dust]

Are there any good quality close ups of his hilt?

[proud notch]

Yes

[olive dust]

Same his design is so fucking sick

[tight sierra]

from the premiere

[olive dust]

It better be dope

[olive dust]

Mehhhhhh

[tight sierra]

#saber-showcase message

[nova slate]

Matches his helmet

[weary sable]

It's sorta Cal-y?

Anyways, I like his fucking soundfont.

[proud notch]

Yeah it's not the best, but not the worst

[proud notch]

Well, it does split

[weary sable]

Whenever Kyberphonic/KSith/JuanSith drop a Qimir font you best bet I'm getting it.

[cosmic siren]

theyre calling it "saber erectile disfunction" XD

[weary sable]

I SAW AND IT WAS SO COOL.

[weary sable]

"It", not "her" is so fucking cold.

[weary sable]

Jokes on you I AM GAY.

[proud notch]

Speaking of fonts, one super small nitpick I have of this show is like every lightsaber ignition is the same hiss sound that is more used in sith ignitions

[proud notch]

Bruh

[olive dust]

I feel something like this would’ve been cooler but I get they can’t make a kylo copy

[proud notch]

Like I wish the Jedi ignitions had more of the ROTJ Luke or Yoda's in PT

[nova slate]

Idk if I’m remembering correctly but didn’t green lightsabers have a similar hiss? Not exactly the same, but it definitely was different than the classic ignition?

[proud notch]

The green one from ROTJ had a specific one, but not like the hiss that you hear in Vader's or maul's

The sound im thinking is on my dark wolf, sound font 4 "the assassin"

[nova slate]

It also could have just been me misremembering cause of the toy lightsabers using who knows what kinda randomly

[olive dust]

True they’re very prequal Anakin ignitions, the sharp ones like rotj are my fav too tho

[proud notch]

This one

Also this is my darkwolf stingray that's gonna be my sith cosplay's saber

[weary sable]

Everyone on the cursed blue bird app is thirsting over Qimir rn and that's the correct reaction.

[proud notch]

The ignition hiss is what I'm focusing on

[proud notch]

Based and sithpilled

[olive dust]

I’ve never had such a crush on anyone like this since Hayden 😭

[weary sable]

like, "I'm a Jedi, but—"

[proud notch]

And they said this show was gay

[olive dust]

Gon make me gay

[proud notch]

This show is gay propaganda, cause how can you be straight after seeing sleeveless Qimir

[olive dust]

Fr😭😭😭

I wish his hilt was cooler

[weary sable]

Jokes on all of you I never was.

[weary sable]

I need someone to make a slimmer version of his hilt.

Bro Qimir got me actin' uppppp

[proud notch]

I hope 501st Legion let's me have a slimmer version of that hilt cause I'm not carrying that chonk

[cosmic siren]

star wars theory legit up here cant be happy about anything

[olive dust]

I’m sayin one of my biggest gripes with the show are those Disney ass hilts😭

My god

[weary sable]

HIS FUCKING ARMS DUDE

[olive dust]

BRO RIGHT

IVE NEVER SEEN ARMS LOOK THAT GOOD EVER

[weary sable]

Man is singlehandedly giving me back my workout motivation.