THE ACOLYTE

[bright token]

so just throw everything out the window then

[narrow lotus]

anything that isn't in an actual canon movie, show, book, game or comic? yes

[bright token]

Lucas has had dumb ideas so why believe anything that's not directly shown? who cares about subtext? I need to be told everything directly in dialogue or it's not real!!!

[potent cape]

Tbh I think you do lmao
You're missing a lot of subtext.

[bright token]

I'm having trouble believing you've seen anything other than a Star Wars wikipedia page with some of these arguments lol

[tight sierra]

Nice to let us know you're not a critical thinker

[bright token]

sarcasm

[narrow lotus]

I don't think you understand the definition of "canon"

[tight sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

[narrow lotus]

if it's not in the subject media.... it's not canon

[potent cape]

I think people here know how many of the books/comics I've read lol

[tight sierra]

And Leslye said this show is partially influenced by Rashomon, a movie that purposefully makes you think

[bright token]

in middle school I learned that reading and comprehension are two very different things

[lone coral]

Oh, but didn't you hear? A key grip who saw George Lucas on set said different. An infallible source! /s

[bright token]

do you know how much a main editor on the movie works with the director to shape the story?

[potent cape]

That's nice.

[narrow lotus]

So I say again, why didn't that get put into the movie then if it's canon?

[bright token]

because it's not something that any of the characters could know individually

[potent cape]

Srsly tho if people are going to argue about what is and isn't canon or what is and isn't a fundamental of the force. We've got the movies/books/comics etc, everything else isn't canon until it is.

This is kind of a pointless argument

[tight sierra]

You mean like how Maria Lucas saved Star Wars

[bright token]

exactly that

[narrow lotus]

irrelevant

[lone coral]

I do, but man, you are looking for reasons to dislike a show. It wasn't what you wanted, so you dislike it. That's fine, dislike it. But don't act like you know all the ins and outs of what the story should or could be. To a lot of us, nothing about the show is out of line with anything else we've seen from Star Wars.

[narrow lotus]

you can have scenes just for the audience

[tight sierra]

Have you seen how much of a mess George's original take was

[bright token]

looking for reasons to dislike something is not the same as refusing to ignore contradictions to established canon

[narrow lotus]

w-what do you mean??? George is perfect and can do no wrong!

[bright token]

much like the many hyperspace inconsistencies in the last jedi and rise of skywalker

[potent cape]

Point out the contradictions in canon then

[bright token]

the entire concept of the Force as explained in the original trilogy, prequel trilogy, and sequel trilogy and basically every piece of side material

[tight sierra]

It is established that hyperspace requires heavy calculations in order to not hit stars or planets. Holdo turned off the navigation computers.

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-last-jedi-gif-10836277

[potent cape]

That doesn't point out anything.

What example specifically

[lone coral]

So, the Nightsisters can breathe life into the dead, via the force, but these witches can't create life with the force?

[bright token]

would you like me to pick out an example where a Jedi or force user explains the will of the Force as a power guiding the destiny of all living things

[potent cape]

No
I would like you to pick a specific example not an explanation

[bright token]

puppetting corpses is not the same as creating life

[potent cape]

Source?

[bright token]

unless Osha and Mae will drop dead at the end of the show

[light ermine]

Oh Jesus we're back to this hyperspace crap again, I thought we left this in 2017-18. I can't do this again I'm going to bed

[bright token]

so why was it called a one in a million shot in rise of skywalker?

[bright token]

death of mother talzin causes all the corpses to drop

[lone coral]

I like how the RoS is an example of bad Star Wars, until you need it to support your point.

[potent cape]

This doesn't explain anything, just that she was providing the energy

[bright token]

actually it wasn't talzin, that old nightsister

I don't remember her name

[cosmic siren]

in dawn of the jedi lanoree brock uses what would later be known as sith alchemy to replicate her own cells to heal herself. and from the sounds of it if she didnt heal herself with this mass of flesh and shit it could have grown into what could be considered a fetus. honestly it would be entirely reasonable for witches to be able to create 2 fetus's to implant into a womb and grow children from.

[bright token]

the corpses are just zombies in the show, they retain nothing from their lives

[light ermine]

Because people moaned about it on the internet and JJ has no backbone and wrote the movie based on pleasing reddit level complaints about TLJ

[tight sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/mysillycomics-yea-yeah-gif-24158576

[cosmic siren]

especially when koral was the birthing mother and apparently the only thing they got from her was lighter skin than aniseya

[bright token]

that's not canon though, doesn't explain anything in lore

it's a contradiction

[tight sierra]

The entire damn movie was a contradiction and I don't remember why ben died after resurrecting rey

[bright token]

it's not implied in the book that she's created life, more of a patch

[tight sierra]

I watched it once and got mad it undid all the things I liked about tlj

[bright token]

using her own cells, sure but a patch nonetheless

not something capable of surviving

[lone coral]

Hard agree.

[bright token]

I would have appreciated the direction tlj took, flaws and all, if they had just stuck with it

[tight sierra]

Blame Abrams

[lone coral]

That I can agree with you one. TLJ is by far my favorite of the sequels.

[light ermine]

Oh thank god something we can all agree on

[bright token]

Abrams set TLJ and TROS up for failure

[tight sierra]

Man has made three space movies with planet killers that people didn't really like much

[potent cape]

But we have seen corpses fully revived.

[cosmic siren]

nah, dont blame abrams. he was just one cog in a pile of loosely assorted gears, dude tried his best with what he was given

it wasnt good sure, but he tried

[bright token]

are you referring to Rey?

[potent cape]

Yes

[tight sierra]

He's remade ANH with Star Trek reboot and again with TFA

[cosmic siren]

meanwhile ventress up here dying in dark deciple and then resurrecting in time of bad batch

[bright token]

people are resurrected after being dead for a few minutes in real life too

Rey was not a decomposed corpse buried in the ground

[lone coral]

Oh boy, I thought we reached agreement and closure...

I did my best.

[potent cape]

People are artificially inseminated irl too

[bright token]

with no men present for years?

[potent cape]

That's the magic part of the space magic show

[tight sierra]

"hey JJ why is Luke on Ahch-To?"
"idk good luck Rian"
"what about Rey's backstory?"
"not my job, have fun"

[two years later]

"Hey Abrams, answer your own questions"
"fuck"

[bright token]

it's a space magic show so no explanation needed, even in context of the fantasy world. got it

[potent cape]

Correct.

[lone coral]

I mean, you're cool with reanimated long dead corpses, but creating babies without men? Completely world breaking.

Never mind that one of them.is literally not human.

[bright token]

the argument I've been making is that both the concept of the thread and the conception of the twins breaks canon

[potent cape]

It doesn't though.

The thread is an interpretation of the force, that may not be true.

The twins existing does not change anything previously written

There's nothing to say that it can't be done.

[bright token]

the thread is not an interpretation, it is a changing of fundamental beliefs

[lone coral]

We also don't know that the Jedi knew everything about the force. We've just only viewed Star Wars through that lens.

[potent cape]

If there is something that explicitly states 'you can't do that,' show us or give up lol

[potent cape]

How?

We've seen the thread used in the same way we see others use the force.

[bright token]

where have you seen people successfully change their destiny in Star Wars and bend the will of the Force

[potent cape]

Where did you see them successfully change their destiny

And they bend the will of the force all the time, that's the dark side...

[lone coral]

Gotcha. The Star Wars universe is deterministic, and no one there has any free will. It's all pre determined destiny.

[bright token]

the dark side is a part of the balance of the force, if a dark sider directly contradicts the will of the Force, it's corrected

like with Anakin's conception portrayed in Darth Plageuis

[potent cape]

The dark side is not part of the balance.

[bright token]

it most certainly is, the Sith are the imbalance. the Dark Side exists in every single person

[tight sierra]

Where the hell were you ten years ago when the Lasats channeled their belief of the Ashla and went through the star cluster https://youtu.be/mAxTqvRXG2I

[potent cape]

Where did they successfully change their destiny?

[bright token]

are you asking me the same question I asked you?

[potent cape]

Yes

You're saying it's a contradiction so I'm asking for context lol

We don't know if it is deterministic
We don't know anyone's actual destiny

Someone claiming it's set does not mean it is

Someone claiming it can be broken doesn't mean it can be

[bright token]

channeling the force to go to Wild Space is a changing of fundamental beliefs?

[tight sierra]

The Thread is the Force under a different name, lomgo

[potent cape]

It's literally just the force lmao

[tight sierra]

And there are pathways to many abilities some consider to be unnatural

[bright token]

I am very aware of this, the entire argument has been because I think the portrayal is inconsistent with how the Force has been shown and explained previously

the Ashla is in no way inconsistent with previous depictions of the Force

[tight sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-what-im-confused-huh-zack-fair-confused-zack-fair-gif-16782563561600944867

[potent cape]

They do some force pushing, they do some mind control, they play with life, it's all usual

[bright token]

the Force literally guides them to their true homeworld, they did not bend it to their will

[potent cape]

The dark side is bending the force to their will... please my guy

[lone coral]

Arent the Sith constantly described as bending the force to their will?

[visual crater]

Just watched.

Jedi: We believe you are training children. That's not allowed. Let us take the children from you in order to train them.

[visual crater]

That could be how they see it. And reality could be the dark side manipulating then rather than the other way around.

[bright token]

the Sith specifically are the imbalance in the Force, but have never bent the Force to change the outcome to their will

[tight sierra]

Literally
Force grab Thread tie two eggs
Tie them together using space magic
Split them at the two cell stage
Stick them in a womb
Boom, space pregante

https://tenor.com/view/pen-pineapple-apple-pen-pikotaro-ppap-japan-gif-19536803

I'm going to dinner

[lone coral]

Didn't you say earlier the Sith are part of the balance, that there is dark side in everything?

[bright token]

No, I did not

the Dark Side and the Sith are two different things

[visual crater]

https://tenor.com/view/pergant-pregernant-pergent-gif-8183353

[bright token]

the Sith use the Dark Side for easy, corrupting power

the Dark Side exists in all living things, the balance is disrupted when the Dark Side is in control

[lone coral]

Cool. I'm out. I liked the show. I will continue to watch it. I'm not going to spend hours poking holes in a fictional universe. Later.

[bright token]

See ya

[potent cape]

Yeah an order utilizing the dark side does cause the imbalance.

But the fundamental of the dark side is people using it to bend to their will

For greed, power, etcetc

Whereas the light is listening to the force and acting through it.

[silk jacinth]

Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying. The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural. He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.

The covent did this basically

They influenced the midichlorians and created life

Now was the goal good or bad? We don't know

Will this tie to Darth Teeth or Plagueis? Maybe

[tight sierra]

I like how one twin is inherently good while the other is naturally bad

It's like they are opposites of each other or something

And together they're perfectly balanced

[silk jacinth]

Is that a dyad? Maybe

Or is the dyad created by the Force? Maybe

Or just happens? Maybe

[tight sierra]

Did TROS explain the dyad? I checked out during the extremely rushed exogol scene

[silk jacinth]

I don't think so

Perhaps in the novel?

[tight sierra]

Ew

The thing I worried about Disney resetting the Canon back in 2014 was that things would be required reading/viewing so a movie would make sense

343 did that with Halo 4 and 5 and I hated having to find a book or a secret hidden terminal to read lore

"who is the Librarian?"
"||Google||"
"fuck"

[silk jacinth]

That was always a problem with Star Wars: let a book, comic or show expalin or develop it more later

😄

[tight sierra]

Didn't need that for everything until TROS

The fuck do you mean I had to play fuckin FORTNITE to see Palpatine's message??

[silk jacinth]

Ugh

Don't make me remember it

Remeber the Somehow Palps returned? Play the freaking audio before that

Show the Resistance is scared to shit about him coming back

[tight sierra]

Or over Kylo's murder spree on Mustatar (by the way, that was Mustatar with the trees) and during his trip to Exogol

Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[silk jacinth]

First time seeing it: MUSTAFAR HAS TREES?!!!!!!

[tight sierra]

"jj what do you mean Mustatar has trees"
"idk make something up"
"fuck"

And thus, ILM made a VR game explaining it

Lee Jung-Jae is the superior JJ

https://tenor.com/view/sol-the-acolyte-lee-jung-jae-star-wars-jedi-gif-7972880801785569438

[silk jacinth]

😆

[tight sierra]

https://old.reddit.com/r/TheAcolyte/comments/1deli2s/to_all_of_those_making_assumptions/

[potent cape]

You know why they call it the thread?

[tight sierra]

idk but i presume i'm gonna have to thread lightly here

[potent cape]

[tight sierra]

avs dmed me that it was because they [[PG-13 rating]] ||cut it with scissors||

i hate him

[potent cape]

I was keeping it pg 😭

[tight sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-lego-star-wars-lego-star-wars-the-skywalker-saga-cope-gif-25321042

[potent cape]

Oh this is good

[tight sierra]

can't kill kids in Lego Star Wars

https://tenor.com/view/ben-solo-kylo-ren-lego-star-wars-the-skywalker-saga-lego-star-wars-the-skywalker-saga-gif-25156802

[potent cape]

Not... by a jedi.

[tight sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-lego-star-wars-lego-star-wars-the-skywalker-saga-combo-general-grievous-gif-25425487

[potent cape]

Lmao

Lego high republic when

[empty minnow]

Wasn't Mustafar recovering something that was hinted at before the new canon anyways?

Like I could have sworn that they were talking about the planet healing after the events of Return.

[ocean jewel]

this has been a fun read. haha

star wars is always adding or removing things the force can do depending on what that movie, show or book requires.

[empty minnow]

Looks like the current complaints are:

Anakin no longer being special

And

Jedi would NEVER do such bad things

And both complaints don't make sense xD

But it's true that ep 3 was gonna be controversial

[narrow lotus]

Everything after ANH has been "controversial" lol

[wild cove]

the world between worlds shenanigans was way more lore breaking

the immaculate conception stuff was always a little silly but its not really as if its anything new

[empty minnow]

Yeah but Anakin so it's all okay xD

Honestly they could have honestly just not done the conception thing. At this point it doesn't feel needed. Just a way to pivot the importance of the two girls

But again it could have been done differently

[urban locust]

We don't know how they've been "created" yet.

But even Koril seems to state there's some dark shit involved which means it might be different than how Anakin was born.

[bright token]

to those saying “they never said the twins were conceived with the Force” what other conclusion are we supposed to make? the powerful, Force-manipulating witch creates children in another witch with no Father and says that the Jedi cannot learn how the children were created

there’s a difference between being created by the Force and created with the Force

[foggy saffron]

magick probably

[urban locust]

Yup, that’s why I think the Twins and Anakin vastly differ

[empty minnow]

Yeah, so with the knowledge we have right now, as of episode 3, the two processes are vastly different

They may have used their Thread, but the Force itself was the one that brought Anakin

[ocean jewel]

this is speculation for anakin. there is no 100% fact on how or why he came into being. all we know is that shmi didn't get pregnant by normal means.

it does make more sense than any of the other reasons though. i doubt another force user could impregnate somebody without them knowing that it was being done to them.

i still don't see the big deal over this. each planet at one point or another wasn't able to get people off planet but the force/thread...etc had to have existed. so it would make sense that every planet would possibly start their own religion/traditions surrounding this. some were picked up and some disappeared.

not unlike any of the thousands of religions that have existed on this planet alone.

[empty minnow]

I don't have a problem with it at all. But you know, Star Wars is officially ruined. For the....um....6th time now xD

[ocean jewel]

haha

honestly i'm enjoying the show quite a bit. even if the writing could use a little bump. the same could be said for most of the shows/movies that come out today.

[lone coral]

I am as well. I've actually enjoyed all of the new Star Wars stuff, to varying degrees. I approach these sorts of things looking for the positives, rather than focusing on the negatives.

[ocean jewel]

none of the negatives in any of the newer stuff has out weighed my enjoyment. will i watch some of it again? no. but they had me engaged at the time.

[lone coral]

It's like you pulled the thought right out if my head. My only criteria for if a show or movie is "good" is whether I was entertained during the runtime.

[ocean jewel]

I will still critique it because discussing things I like with like minded people is entertaining in its own right.

Same reason I talk sports with certain folks or books with others.

[lone coral]

Oh, for sure. Discussion and back and forth is super fun. Theorizing the why's and how's of a fictional universe is always entertaining. But when that devolves into "no you're wrong, this is bad", I have to take my leave. That's not to say people have to like everything. Just that when it gets too negative, I remove myself from the conversation.

[narrow lotus]

This just in: Science fiction contains elements of.... science. And fiction!

[ocean jewel]

Also leaving some things open to each individuals imagination is powerful.

[crisp ravine]

Believe it or not there’s actually some of us who WANT to like the new stuff

[lone coral]

https://tenor.com/view/arrested-development-david-cross-tobias-funke-there-are-dozens-of-us-dozens-gif-5426075

[ocean jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-yea-baby-damn-right-gif-21574723

[vast plank]

Everything bad, everything woke, everything cringe, everything poo, don't think just cons00m

new stuff bad

[bright token]

The “new stuff” shouldn’t be lumped in all together, it’s a bunch of different attempts by different groups of people at making something work in a universe

for a lot of other people it’s difficult to abide by shows or movies that show little care for consistency or subtlety in their scripts

not an issue exclusive to Star Wars either, it’s pretty widespread in the entertainment industry as a whole

[empty minnow]

Problem is, especially with Star Wars fans, is the outright refusal to accept anything new without picking at the tiniest thing

Fire different? Star Wars is ruined
kissing girls? Star Wars is ruined
Luke not being heroic at his older age? Ruined
Black girls being born in a way that involves witch magic? Star Wars is so joever ruined

The only ones that get any praise, and most of the time its begrudging, is Ahsoka and Tales

Andor on the other hand, is on another level entirely, and even THEN were certain people whining about bricks. Bricks. Of all things

[paper kettle]

Bix?

[potent cape]

No, bricks.

[paper kettle]

Googled it. People were actually complaining about literal bricks.

Sheesh

[vast plank]

No one hates Star Wars more than Star Wars Fans

[light ermine]

Don't forget about the screws!

[silk jacinth]

I wish I could have Bix

[hoary star]

The third one was just more blatant character assassination rather than him not being heroic

[silk jacinth]

Massive stones are ok but bricks are the problem

And the TESB Graflex has rivets

[hoary star]

I just don't think the acolyte is executing well. The premise should be good but it just feels like the execution is off

[silk jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-acceptable-gus-fring-acceptable-better-call-saul-acceptable-gif-25806382

[narrow lotus]

It's seems made in binge-format but then Disney went with weekly schedule

[paper kettle]

Yes! Was saying the same thing. If I could have watched everything back to back i think it would be much better. The episodes don't stand alone too well.

[lone coral]

I get the vibe from most of the Disney+ show that they're not filmed like a TV show, they're filmed like a really long movie.

[proud notch]

Yeah I agree with this, I'm not entirely sure how you make it more like a TV show but it definitely feels like just a big movie cut up

[lone coral]

TV shows are generally filmed per episode, so the story is created with the idea that this is going to be a certain length per episode, and they write in commercial breaks as well. The overall plot of a season is roughed in before hand, but I don't believe TV show filming jumps between episodes. Like, they won't film episode 6, then episode 13, then episode 1. I think the filming is done chronologically. Movies are different, in that I think they're only rarely filmed chronologically, and that they aren't written with an episodic format in mind necessarily.

[proud notch]

Ah, that makes sense. Sort of like how Mando's plot flows

I've been liking the show thus far, though last episode was weaker for me than first two, but an overarching thought I've had is that it feels like a chopped movie and the sets can feel a bit small too many times

It feels like the scale of the sets never deviates greatly between sets

If that makes sense

[lone coral]

Yeah, I've noticed that too. Part of that is over reliance on the Volume, I think. But overall I've enjoyed all of the Star Wars shows. I'm entertained while they're on, and that's the only thing that matters to me.

[proud notch]

I don't know how much of the volume is used for this show, they seem to use practical sets

I could be wrong but Headland seemed adamant about practical sets

[lone coral]

You're probably correct, then. I haven't looked much into how this show specifically was made, I just know they used the volume a lot for some of the other shows. It's a great tool, but like any tool, it doesn't work for everything all the time.

[proud notch]

True, I'd also say it depends on artistic intent. If I were doing a star wars show I'd do more practical effects and set though because that's how it was done in OT

I never noticed the volume in the shows, but I wasn't dialed in to the discussion with Mando and Kenobi. Though Eckharts Ladder once described them running up against the curtain in Kenobi

[lone coral]

I never did either, really, but I know there was a lot of online complaining about it. Really, there's a lot of online complaining about every one of these shows. Personally, I think the volume is cool, I think practical effects rule, and I like the care that is being put into these shows on a technical level.

[uncut kayak]

I think andor was the right approach, practical sets and real locations with added CGI

[lone coral]

Generally I agree, but I also understand that that can get real expensive, real fast. I get why it's not done every time, though I wish it was.

[proud notch]

I wonder what their budgets were

That's been a noticable talking point is that acolyte is $180M and I guess it was more than ahsoka

Which makes me wonder: what is the Occam's razor or good faith response to people using the budget as a talking point against it?

[lone coral]

The waters have been so muddied by people using budgets or canon or whatever as a bad faith argument against something they don't like that I can't possibly begin to speculate. Not to mention how vague and confusing most Hollywood accounting is to begin with.

[narrow lotus]

Lmao https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/acolytes/reviews?type=user

Look at all the recent review bombs

They can't even bot correctly

Movie from 2008 with nothing at all to do with Star Wars

[lone coral]

I don't think I've ever disliked a piece of media enough to leave any kind of official negative review, much less take part in a poorly organized, hyperbolic smear campaign.

[narrow lotus]

Clearly you're not a real Star Wars fan then /s

[crisp ravine]

I’ve never felt strongly enough about anything to leave an online review of it lmao

[hoary star]

love the critic reviews that are all positive (Rotten Tomatoes does this on their end not the critics) but then you read them and they're like yeah this isn't good

[proud notch]

Isn't a good score on rotten tomatoes essentially just the majority of people gave it like a 6.5 out of ten

Like the acolyte's 80 or 90% fresh means that like 80-90% gave it like a grade that isn't an F on an American school grading scale

[wild cove]

yeah exactly

it's quite misleading

[lone coral]

This sort of thing is why I do my best not to look at reviews until after I've seen something. I much prefer to view it, form my opinions, then see what others have to say.

[proud notch]

Understandable, I personally don't like number ratings so I don't take rotten tomatoes too seriously

[hoary star]

worth noting that fans can give an actual rating

[empty minnow]

I feel bad for the fan film though

[tight sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/mysillycomics-yea-yeah-gif-24158576

[cosmic siren]

one of the things i have to laugh about with people saying a reason why the acolyte is bad is when they say that vernestras light whip makes no sence, citing that light doesnt curve like that.

like yeah sure your right that light usually doesnt bend that way, but like lightsabers arnt literally made of light.

[lone coral]

Not to mention, light doesn't stop like a lightsaber does. The blade would just keep going.

[cosmic siren]

the light a lightsaber emits is just a by product of what they actually put out, fun fact everyone, super heated plasma produces light. who wouldve fucking thunk it

[lone coral]

Right. I was more pointing out the logical fallacy of complaining that light doesn't bend like her lightwhip (since they think it is just light), but not pointing out that light doesn't just stop at a predetermined distance.

[cosmic siren]

i get ya, mostly im just ranting as people not using their heads

its no different than people genuinely thinking the black kyber crystals at galaxys edge would turn the blade black in lightsabers.

[lone coral]

I fully agree with that rant, haha. I don't have words for the people that actually think that. Every time I read about somebody lacking such a basic knowledge of how things work, my first thought is always "I didn't realize it was this bad..."

[wide bronze]

You know, this show has one good thing. The set pieces are fantastic!

Everything else though is preetttyyyyy mediocre...

[lone coral]

Idk, I'm thoroughly enjoying it so far.

[cosmic siren]

i will argue with you on that just because of simple things like

the make up for koril specifically is gorgeous

[wide bronze]

I don't mind the agenda. I just wish it was done better-

The plot and mystery are way too obvious. It's poorly designed in terms of storytelling layout- knowing everything that's going to happen just isn't good writing.

The acting is very hit and miss. Mostly miss.

[lone coral]

I disagree, but I'm also the sort of person who generally treats Star Wars like pizza. Even when it's bad, it's still pretty good.

[cosmic siren]

this is a great analogy XD

[wide bronze]

I dunno. For me, it's not so bad that it's good. It's not terrible- but it just feels mediocre. Like it could have just been a lot better with a few little changes

[cosmic siren]

for me i just let myself have fun with it. legit the only things that are bringing me out of it is when something happens that reminds me people will bitch about it

[wide bronze]

XD

[cosmic siren]

sol mentioning oshas mothers i would not have even realized if it wasnt something i knew people would scream woke about

[wide bronze]

That part isn't something I mind- in fact, I think it could have been done in an even better manner. It was a little bland how it was done here; I would have pushed the message harder, maybe, but made it more interesting. The whole episode could have done more to highlight atrocity against their coven, or made it have a darker twist.

But there feels like an identity gap of keeping it pg when it feels like it shouldn't be

[lone coral]

I spent way too much of my 20s listening when people told me the stuff I liked sucked, and not only did I start pretending to not like those things, I started to get real negative about other stuff, like I was looking for reasons to dislike things. I made a conscious decision when I moved to CA to not be that way, so now I actively search for the positives in the media I consume, and as a result, I generally like stuff. The Acolyte included.

[cosmic siren]

its just like the one jedi in tales of the empire that they came out later to say is non binary. i didnt even realize it until they said something after the series was already out. and i was confused as fuck when they did say something

[wide bronze]

People can like and dislike whatever they like! Or dislike! 🤣 I'm mostly just ranting because I just finished watching all three episodes.

[lone coral]

Oh for sure, I'm not saying you're not allowed to dislike it. Everyone has their likes and dislikes. I just don't want to put myself in a negative headspace more than is necessary, that's all.

[empty minnow]

Kinda feels like that's the point though. Clearly something else happened and we haven't seen it yet. And not even just talking about the night when they all died.

[wide bronze]

It's pretty blatantly obvious.

At least to me.

But I didn't mean that scene. I mean the parts where they briefly had exposition about how they were chased out etc.

Don't just talk about it. show it.

[tight sierra]

"can I use blacklight uv leds to make a darksaber blade"

[proud notch]

What I find interesting is koril has elf ears when she's a zabrak

[tight sierra]

Twi'leks have different ear shapes between the men and women

[proud notch]

They do?

[cosmic siren]

turns the blade purple

yep

women have cone ears, men have regular ears

[proud notch]

Interesting, I figured it could be explained as she's half of another alien race. Jecki is half human, half whatever the race she is (I know it starts with a T)

[cosmic siren]

theelin

[proud notch]

Are there not male Twi'leks that have the triangular ears... Never looked at them close enough to tell

[cosmic siren]

been a thing since the original trilogy as far as i can tell

[proud notch]

I wouldn't doubt that

I like how well the alien effects and overall diverse amount of aliens have been handled by the show

[tight sierra]

Bib Fortuna is a Twi'lek

[cosmic siren]

im legitimately loving the aliens its showing. the zygarian was a little off putting close up but i could get used to her im sure.
one of the things i take the piss out of people for when i see them bitching that the show isnt diverse enough i say how i agree cus in a galaxy as big as star wars its so unrealistic that only one show in all of it has an alien main character XD

[tight sierra]

His head tails are just around his neck

https://tenor.com/view/aldo-humor-bib-fortuna-star-wars-gif-22393842

God damnit

Another Reface gif

[proud notch]

I liked the zygerrian but it does look a bit jarring at first

[cosmic siren]

when they did the close up of her specifically is when i found it most off putting

[proud notch]

I've always taken issue with the idea that the majority of the characters are human

[cosmic siren]

and i can tell ya now, i did not immediately connect her with being a zygerrian

[proud notch]

In Star Wars itself, not acolyte

I wrote a concept for a story 600 years before phantom and my Jedi council had like 2 humans

[cosmic siren]

but it was no more jarring than when they removed ahsokas head dress in her series

[proud notch]

True

You could say that it is jarring because it is simply otherworldly and foreign to people who are so used to human features

Once you remove the headband, you remove any semblance that her montrals are simply just a hat

[cosmic siren]

exactly this ^

[lone coral]

Not to mention a these characters and races have largely only appeared in animation, so expectations are tied to that as well.

[proud notch]

This too ^

If I were to take my story concepts to life, I'd probably do it in TCW style animation

It's far easier to convey emotion with such an alien character like a Kel Dor using animation to exaggerate their facial animations

[cosmic siren]

i would legitimaly love to see a togruta like roshti appear in live action with how wild his head is

[proud notch]

I forgot how nice the togruta dress

[lone coral]

That would be crazy. To add to your point, I'd love to see any number of non human shaped aliens in live action.

[proud notch]

Immaculate drip

[cosmic siren]

well, when theyre not enslaved XD

[proud notch]

True lol

[proud notch]

Imagine if that sentient rock thing from the high Republic books were in this show

[cosmic siren]

i would love to see them go for far more exotic aliens honestly.

like obviously not an andalite realistically but as an example XD

[lone coral]

Animorph/ Star wars crossover? I'm 100% there.

[lone coral]

Don't walk that back. Absolutely Andalite.

[proud notch]

I say bring back that one bothan-human Jedi that was alive during Darth bane's time

[cosmic siren]

oh god XD valenthyne farfalla

[lone coral]

If they can slip E.T. in Star Wars, they can slip in an Andalite.

[cosmic siren]

ok et is a different story XD

but yes i would absolutely love to see different aliens from other media as jedi

[lone coral]

Hell, give us that Hutt Jedi from the EU

[cosmic siren]

andalites, cybertronians, yautja, fuck everyones heads over completely and give us a klingon XD

[lone coral]

https://tenor.com/view/penis-erection-archer-gif-5251666

[proud notch]

Yeah that guy

[lone coral]

Optimus Prime as a Jedi battling Sith Lord Xenomorph Queen.

[proud notch]

Really hoping this show canonizes the Bothan design

[cosmic siren]

imagine, they call it a different species, and everything just but give us straight up worf as a jedi XD

[lone coral]

Hahaha, that would rule, and my Trekkie friend's head would explode.

[cosmic siren]

i would love to see the prawns from district 9 as jedi

i dont even care if all these different aliens are background blink and you miss it things, just show us some drastically non human based aliens

[tight sierra]

I take back my idea that Zabraks have different ears depending on gender

Koril is half Zabrak half Vulcan

[lone coral]

Canon accepted

[proud notch]

I'm okay with this interpretation

[cosmic siren]

ok hear me out, would time lords be able to regenerate from lightsaber attacks depending on how severe the injury is?

[proud notch]

The Zabrak part is what gave her the desires to kick the Jedi's ass

[lone coral]

I don't see why not.

[cosmic siren]

just a gallifreyan jedi in the background of order 66 starts to regenerate only to be mowed down by like 15 other clones thinking what the fuck

[lone coral]

Dude, fucking Garrus Vakarian as a maverick Jedi...

[cosmic siren]

saiyan jedi turns super saiyan, immediately get booted out of the order for embracing the dark side

[tight sierra]

Cybertronian Jedi turns into an Eta-2 and flies out

[cosmic siren]

i actually made a pair of cybetronian jedi for an rp server im in, the main one turns into a starship while the second becomes the pilot, and the second one becomes the lightsaber for the main one while in robot mode XD

[proud notch]

Imagine a Drell or an Elchor

[tight sierra]

Oh like a Targetmaster team

Except, yknow, sword.

[cosmic siren]

essentially yeah

[lone coral]

An Elchor Jedi would simultaneously be the raddest to watch and the most aggravating to listen to, lol

[cosmic siren]

"battle master" to go with the new term XD

[tight sierra]

There /are/ mini-cons that turn into swords

Long live Arms Micron

[cosmic siren]

sparked my fiance to suggest the two of them find the same crystal on the gathering not even considering a target master/minicon partnership

[proud notch]

"the line delivery is flat", well yeah it's an Elchor

[lone coral]

I'd love to see a Krogan sith fight a Wookiee jedi. Both saber are destroyed, so they resort to Force attacks and hand to hand combat.

[cosmic siren]

so totally an in universe thing. but ive always wanted to see a wookiee jedi with a trandoshan padawan. or the other way around

[lone coral]

Oooh, that would be a really interesting dynamic to explore.

[tight sierra]

There is a story involving a Trandoshian Jedi and a Wookiee Jedi in the comics

Star Wars Yoda 2023 run I believe

[cosmic siren]

i just remembered an idea i had to make fans absolutely rage at first. give us a high republic show where one of the cast is a gungan jedi, and in the trailer make him trip over a droid or something, make him look like jarjar 2.0

||then in the show have him be a total badass and him tripping was a genuine accident like the droid being malicious. show that gungans are warriors and jarjar was the exception, not the rule||

[lone coral]

I'd love some redemption for Gungans. I'm still bummed that the Darth Jar Jar thing wasn't what was actually put in the movies. A tall goofball character who's evil is a good counterpoint to a small goofball character who's good.

https://tenor.com/view/hopefully-it-will-work-poetry-sort-of-rhyme-gif-15168097

[cosmic siren]

I know there was a gungan nihil character in kassavs tempest in one of the high republic books.

The guy who narrated the audio book did the gungan voice PERFECTLY

[potent cape]

wet bub

[cosmic siren]

Yes!

[ocean jewel]

i think part of the issue with this show is that people are expecting too much. forgetting that it is just a tv show. just because its not on a typical network with commercial breaks and such.

[potent cape]

Also if it's not the best thing they've seen, why bother

[ocean jewel]

that too.

its not perfect or redefining of shows. but like azrael said. i'm enjoying it while i'm watching it and thats mostly all that matters.

[potent cape]

Yeah, it's enjoyable

[ocean jewel]

i'd honestly hate to see what people today would say if the OG trilogy was put out now. it'd never make it.

[vast plank]

The issue is that the social media cesspit blows everything out of proportion via negativity to milk content. Clowns like the critical drinker know what they are doing and it doesn't really matter if show is good or not, they just create hate-bait sort of content because its ez views.

Not every piece of content that is shat out by Disney is going to be a masterpiece

[ocean jewel]

that is 100% part of it too. people that need views from reviews and hot takes definitely will say whatever is needed to get those views.

[vast plank]

but I reckon it doesn't matter at that point because these are the types of folk that will hate on anything and everything

their audiences too

FYI I've seen Critical Drinker videos

its the same mouth-breathing points done to the extreme

sTr0nG fEmAle cHaRaCt3r #4353463 does this

waaa

with these folks everything is identity politics

there is no winning

[potent cape]

Or it's something menial like bricks

Or they don't know the source text and are angry about things that actually make sense

[ocean jewel]

or star wars does star wars things and they are mad

can't be done until we decide to do it

[vast plank]

it's Hate-Bait content lol,

dude has already made 7 videos about it within the last week

all of em has over 1m views

so he is going to keep pumping it out

at this point he is saying the same thing over and over again in every video

[ocean jewel]

i'd also like to try to focus on the parts i enjoy instead of the parts i don't. life is too short for my entertainment to make me mad

[vast plank]

If you don't like it that much, then cancel your D+ subscription and move on lol

[vast plank]

Tell that to terminally online people

[ocean jewel]

as one of those people. i try. but i'm also not one of those that is on all of the different medias.

[vast plank]

that is a good thing

at this point its brain-rot

every media site is full of literal garbage

and sludge

[ocean jewel]

there is a lot of it for sure

[vast plank]

Their algorithm pushes it to drive up engagement

FYI there is a reason I hate ads soo much

lol

[ocean jewel]

ha

[potent cape]

And if something gets enough controversy, the media covers it and others join in even though they're not even interested in the subject matter

[vast plank]

Google literally pushes scams

like their "sponsored" posts and crap is literal scams

Pleasant Green

a YT channel has done multiple videos on it

[proud notch]

Do you have the vid on that? I was looking at his channel and didn't know how far into his videos is the Google post scam

[narrow lotus]

This was a really good breakdown of both the episode and how dumb some of the arguments are https://youtu.be/lO8-Ivlrhy0

(Bonus points for that thumbnail )

Biggest thing is.... it's a mystery show

[vast plank]

Clown Theory

[narrow lotus]

They're not gonna spoonfeed you all the backstory to everything all in one episode

[ocean jewel]

also not explaining every minute detail is important imo

[vast plank]

Ya https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgFYUWYG4os

[narrow lotus]

clearly something else is going on, good thing there 5 more episodes to show us what it is!

[vast plank]

When searching for printer support this ad pops up

apparently it is a scam front

Hence if you don't run an ad block like some senior folk then tough luck

you will get scammed

[vast plank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxu2N5iQ3ck&t=11s

WHat a fuckin sellout

lma0

[cosmic siren]

This exactly, like people are complaining of clunky dialogue for example, like that hasn’t been part of Star Wars since episode 4

[cosmic siren]

This guy legit is one of those people saying that episode 3 “retcons” the force... like is it so hard to see it’s just a different religion XD

[potent cape]

But it didn't explain this to me in full

How was I meant to know

[silk jacinth]

Why is he always making those weird faces?

[vast plank]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[silk jacinth]

I just want to poke my eyes out

Violently

[proud notch]

Gonna add this to my watch later, thank you

[proud notch]

Also adding to my watch later

[proud notch]

This^ im getting so tired of seeing people like Mauler and little platoon finely comb these shows for holes to poke

[lone coral]

They are scouring the show to find reason why they, and therefore you, shouldn't like it. It happens across every fandom. Hell, there's a certain Lego personality that I've blocked across multiple platforms, because he so annoyingly condescending and rude when a SW set isn't perfectly screen accurate, telling people it's a bad set and not to buy it. Like, dude, it's a building toy. Just change it to fit your liking.

[proud notch]

Mfw Lego sets besides UCS aren't wholly screen accurate

[lone coral]

For real, though, it sucks that hate bait is the thing that these channels have centered on, and society seems to mostly be all there for it, otherwise critical drinker wouldn't have a total of like 10 million views saying the same thing, telling people not to like things.

[lone coral]

Disliking things is totally fine, aggressively telling others why they should also dislike things is crappy behavior.

[proud notch]

New pointing soyjak

[vast plank]

lmao

[magic gazelle]

🤣

[silk jacinth]

https://x.com/JordanMaison/status/1801748737951428645?s=19

Jordan Maison (@JordanMaison) on X

Lol, chodes review bombing a 2008 movie called Acolytes instead of #TheAcolyte, but we’re supposed to take these “critiques” in good faith

Twitter · Jun 14, 2024, 10:49 PM

[lone coral]

The glee at which people do this sort of thing is astounding. These people have nothing better to do than revel in the perceived failure of a show they don't like.

[cosmic siren]

People like this are the reason I genuinely believe they’ve never even given it a chance.

[lone coral]

Exactly. They've been told told they shouldn't like it by grifters and pundits, presumably on the basis of ideology, couched in the language of technical issues. Either that, or they're blindly the "Disney Bad" sort of people.

[cosmic siren]

The people who go and ask why the should give it a chance because you can look at all the bad stuff they put out.

For the chance that it’ll be like one of the good ones they’ve done like clone wars, bad batch, andor, rogue one, ect

[lone coral]

There's a guy in the star wars channel right now who started off looking for agreement in reveling over its failure, then when proven wrong, pivoted to the burning rocks, then when other star wars inconsistencies were pointed out, pivoted to it pushing an "agenda", then when called out on that, pivoted to bad acting. It's ridiculous.

Now he's back to decrying "forced diversity". The bigots always tell on themselves.

[wide bronze]

Yikes

[magic gazelle]

As a very long time star wars fan, I honestly did not like it at all, some people do go a bit overboard though i agree

[tight sierra]

The fuck do they mean by forced diversity and ulterior motives

[lone coral]

Lord only knows. Personally, I like it. I'm not looking to convert people into liking it, just sharing my opinion. That dude flew in looking for a scuffle. Started off with "Who else is reveling in its failure?"

[cosmic siren]

People just want to be angry at stuff sometimes

Just sucks that is so prominent now that you can make bingo cards over it

[silk jacinth]

Ki-Adi Mundi is one of the worst example of a Jedi there is

Never be like that guy

[empty minnow]

I honestly don't get the pedestal that Mundi gets

He sucks but people like him too much lol

[cosmic siren]

It’s because he’s one of the only speaking members on the council that isn’t yoda or windu

[lone coral]

I'm tired of those 3. We need mare Yarael Poof stories. What that neck do?

[cosmic siren]

That’s when you go to robot chicken

To hell with all of you. I wanna see more oppo rancisos

[lone coral]

I've changed my mind, this is the correct answer.

[wild cove]

Oppo has the coolest lightsaber change my mind

[cosmic siren]

Not going to try. Your right

[lone coral]

I don't think I know what his saber looks like.

[lone coral]

That shit rules.

[cosmic siren]

He takes one of the things that makes porters lightsaber cool (which they were alive at the same time so one could’ve inspired the other) and adds a badass curve into it as well for his weird ass thisspias hands

[lone coral]

It's similar in design to one I came up with a couple years ago, except the hand guard curved section was going to be half of the blades Dryden Vos uses in Solo.

[silk jacinth]

The only good thing Mundi has is his TPM/AOTC lightsaber

[tight sierra]

What about nightwing's left??

[silk jacinth]

The best clan saber

[proud notch]

Is it bad if he was my favorite Jedi as a kid and still is amongst the prequel Jedi 😂

I would love to see Tera Sinube, Yarael, or Oppo in this show

[silk jacinth]

🥲

[proud notch]

I do recognize he's kind of a jackass

Also bacara was my favorite clone as a kid and he was his general

[cosmic siren]

it is possible, all 3 have appeared in high republic books before

[tight sierra]

No previous live-action characters will be in this show

[proud notch]

I hope we get Oppo in a Cal Kestis game, he's still unaccounted for in the body count

[proud notch]

There's still hope for Tera Sinube

[lone coral]

Technically speaking, he was in Obi Wan. Whether that counts as a "live-action" character is up in the air, I guess.

[proud notch]

Shhhh

[proud notch]

If this is true, then I'm happy that the Kel Dor in the back of one of the trailers isn't Plo Koon

[tight sierra]

If the background Kel Dor dies someone's gonna cry they killed Plo Koon and ruined canon

[silk jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/plo-koon-explosion-gif-10875478

[wild cove]

https://tenor.com/view/realcap2-gif-8891415

[proud notch]

gets stabbed in the chest erm, actually the kel dor have redundant organs like a krogan

[tight sierra]

Did someone say multiple organs

https://tenor.com/view/hello-grand-inquisitor-grand-inquisitor-kenobi-hello-grand-inquisitor-kenobi-show-hello-gif-26017329

[silk jacinth]

Laughs in Munn

[narrow lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-krogan-gif-21506306

[empty minnow]

Dammit now I wanna play Mass Effect

Again

[narrow lotus]

haha I just finished a replay of the whole thing (including Andromeda)

[silk jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/mass-effect-andromeda-fail-pain-dolor-animation-gif-8575313

[empty minnow]

How was Andromeda this time? I have vague memories of that game but I honestly did wish we had gotten that Quarian DLC

Thought it sucked that it was pushed to a book

[narrow lotus]

I like it mechanically. The freeform skills system was great, as was not being restricted to fighting at "sticky" cover objects like the trilogy.
Story was weak, and setup a lot of threads for DLC or a sequel to finish... but then the studio got shuttered.
So I'd give it 6/10 "space adventure RPG" and 3/10 "Mass Effect game"

[wild cove]

I rebought it on steam recently as I figured it would be a good deck game

havent gotten around to it it yet

[empty minnow]

Yeah on the Mass Effect scale it's definitely missing...a lot

And the amount of patches it needed to be more playable really tarnished that game

[narrow lotus]

But back on topic... now they're going after a 2022 fan film
currently at 1.6 with 122 1-star reviews compared to this pic posted to reddit 5 hours ago

[lone coral]

https://tenor.com/view/blazing-saddles-gene-wilder-morons-cleavon-little-gif-12334435

[empty minnow]

Man that poor fanfilm

[narrow lotus]

https://youtu.be/tp6hLP1Ry0U

[cosmic siren]

further evidence in my mind that people review bombing didnt even watch it

i find it kind of hilarious that the common meme is that anyone who likes it is being paid off by disney. like fuck if thats the case where the hells my paycheck disney, your late.

[lone coral]

Those of us with functioning frontal lobes might call that "projection".

[cosmic siren]

ok legit though, id definitely take disneys money to say good shit about the acolyte. wouldnt be hard, im already doing it for free XD

[narrow lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-good-something-never-do-it-gif-18044087

[proud notch]

Hello

[tight sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-hi-there-hello-hi-hey-gif-17253519

[proud notch]

I agree with Kelborn but a thing I'll add is its loading screen incentivizes you to do quests in a burst on one planet rather than following one from beginning to end

Like there are so many friggin loading screens, it makes a Bethesda game blush

[empty minnow]

How original zero

[magic gazelle]

I try to find stupid memes where I can lol

Nothing good yet since it hasn't been out long enough

[narrow lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-child-truly-wonderful-wonderful-mind-gif-12525097

[lone coral]

https://tenor.com/view/if-you-cant-say-something-nice-dont-say-nothing-at-all-dont-say-anything-at-all-gif-10430025

[cosmic siren]

you just filled out two spots in my bingo card XD

[vast plank]

Like I said before but I think people are to obsessed with identity politics in Star wars a universe about aliens and space magic. Unfortunately they can get away with their opinions I reckon because the writing sucks on the most part from the side of the folk who actually work on these shows.

But hey, you ain't going to make everyone happy. Especially in today's age where everyone is a critic and makes video essays deconstructing your show and/or movie review about why said thing is so bad.

[magic gazelle]

LOL glad to be of assistance

[magic gazelle]

Oof, that top left one LOL, yuck

[narrow lotus]

nothing can just be mediocre anymore
it's either a cinematic masterpiece or a steaming pile of dog shit
no objectivity

[magic gazelle]

I'm pretty sure I've seen almost all of those meme spots too lol

[magic gazelle]

This is true

unfortunately

[vast plank]

It's not just that though either, even if something is decent it gets picked apart by some terminally online "content-creator" to an audience of millions to show them it is bad

[magic gazelle]

View baiting

[lone coral]

Because outrage and negativity drive engagement. There is a financial incentive to being so negative, much more so than just being positive.

[potent cape]

The mothers aren't even confirmed as gay are they? Isn't it just a surrogacy at this point

[ocean jewel]

I think it's implied. But there is no evidence. They just act like parents.

[silk jacinth]

I could care less if they are lesbian, straight or whatever

It doesn't affect me

And why should it in the first place?

[vast plank]

Most Star wars fans just interested in New content don't really care.

But there is a subsection of people who make everything into identity politics

hence they get blown to the top because the saltiest people are the loudest

FYI the show is ok in my opinion so far, I wouldn't say its some masterpiece yet but I feel like people are shitting on it because there are women in it lol what?

[silk jacinth]

Mid so far

Not the best

Not the worst

But I find it interesting

[potent cape]

Interesting and enjoyable is all I need

[silk jacinth]

And I'm glad it doesn't rely on character cameos like other shows (at least for now)

[lone coral]

My thoughts exactly.

[silk jacinth]

Forced comment?

[potent cape]

But it is canon.

You're going to need a stronger argument if you're trying to say there are too many black, women, or lgtbq characters in star wars

[covert portal]

the show so far has been pretty lukewarm/mid, but i think it's still getting off the ground..i still have more questions than answers. too early to judge for me personally, though my hopes aren't too high

i think the discourse that BIPOC representation and/or implied homosexuality = agenda is more entertaining. like tell me you're racist or bigoted without saying it lol. ppl can't help themselves

it's always hidden under the guise of "politics" but the fact is that mainstream media representation does matter and is important in making under-represented people feel less alienated. the idea that there's a correct amount of white, bipoc, or lgtbq ppl that can be shown on-screen is fucked to me.. lowkey people be saying let's stick to token characters at best

[empty minnow]

Probably still upset that the mother eye roll comment wasn't taken well here

[covert portal]

gays in my star wars? ruined.

[tight sierra]

I mean rule 1 says no homophobia

[wild cove]

I must be super out of touch with the average Star Wars fan because idk how you could praise Ahsoka or Kenobi and then have a hate boner for this show

Those fuck with canon way more

[tight sierra]

Because it's all Rian Johnson's fault

[wild cove]

Acolyte isn’t amazing but it’s light years better than either of those

[tight sierra]

I'm excited for Star Wars Rashomon II after Last Jedi did it first

[potent cape]

I could be reading the comments wrong! But you also called it bullshit a character had mothers.

Well, what do you think he meant by the show being woke/having an agenda

[covert portal]

if your opinion is that you have a problem with BIPOC and/or LGBTQ characters merely existing then that does make you bigoted lmao there's no way around that

[potent cape]

I'll dm instead of bringing it here.

[covert portal]

not saying it's you specifically but it's what i notice online generally

i'm not talking about those people, but there are a hell of a lot people spamming DEI DEI DEI on reddit and stuff from what i've seen

it's def triggering some mfs

[potent cape]

The person who had 'racist' in the reacts was complaining about the 'diversity' so unless he meant something else...

[crisp ravine]

Yeah I call people bigots when I see them complaining about too many brown people and 1 gay couple bc that’s what they are

No one is saying that if you don’t like the show you’re a racist, but all people seem to be complaining about when it comes to this show is “woke”

[light ermine]

Tbf you could say the same thing about the word "woke"

[crisp ravine]

Define woke

[light ermine]

That word used to actually mean something, now it's a dog whistle for anything people don't like that also features POC, or LGBT characters most of the time

[vast plank]

I'd disagree, a lot of the rhetoric floating online is "stronk female character" in my Star War? Nevr! All people can do is nitpick and take things out of context and it happens with every new live-action Star Wars project. I reckon these people aren't even fans but are looking something to hate-bait for their own clout.

Here is an example, Tales of the empire was well received but didn't get as much attention because it is not a live-action project. Great.
Now there is a Twitter User called "Libs of TikTok", this said account was probably dry on content so they chose to nitpick Tales of the empire for one scene, one measly scene where there is a Jedi character whom is referred to as "they/them". These sorts of people are looking to start stuff regardless of how good or bad the show is. FYI referral of this character had nothing to do with the greater plot of the series.

I agree that writing could use some work and that has been my main criticism against Disney Star Wars projects, but criticising their casting of BIPOC people is getting really old now.

Star Wars is an easy target for these sort of people now, because current star wars projects are poorly written. It just seems to bring the more vocal folk out of the wood work with more "spicier" takes since they just so happen to cast people that are POC.

If the writing was good, it would never fly

There are a ton of excellent shows that cast POC with amazing writing which would never get criticized like this btw. It would be a death sentence for any of these channels to do so.

[potent cape]

I think it's both.

The Acolyte was getting hate for its casting prior to the show actually being launched

and there are people who grew up with Star Wars who hate to see it 'become woke.' I see it in other communities too, like warhammer. Black characters? gone woke we hate it. Women miniatures? gone woke we hate it. Doesn't matter if the story is good. People will find something to bitch about

But people have made star wars their identity over the years and any change is seen as an attack on their person.

[vast plank]

Fucks aren't even star wars fans lmao. Hating for the sake of hating

[light ermine]

I also love that most of these aren't even full sentence reviews, pitiful

[tight sierra]

Please explain to me what he meant by forced diversity and ulterior motive since he couldn't

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1093963148987473960/1251602308727574680/Screenshot_20240615-111543.png?ex=666fd5bc&is=666e843c&hm=13a9305fcbb1edb986d30ab864aca04cd154caf423a8332e618e0233a24a24c8&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/731266509900480602/1251649124147789834/Screenshots_2024-06-15-14-19-062.png?ex=66700155&is=666eafd5&hm=36eac674f75b574f58aeb474c2996984df6aa0aa2779b90454fc68b043f6240f&

[narrow lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

crawl out from under your hetero white male privileged rock and look at all the female, BIPOC and LGBTQ+ fans that have been posting receipts of comments they get whenever they post anything remotely positive about their love of Star Wars

[nova slate]

Didn’t people get doxxed for publicly posting enjoyment for Acolyte?

[narrow lotus]

yup

one girl called out a racist, then had her OF leaked as revenge porn

https://tenor.com/view/i-see-no-problem-here-crazy-eyes-gif-12788383

[vast plank]

The echo chamber is a pathway to many views some consider to be unnatural and divorced from reality.

[vast plank]

LMAO, what the actual fuck

[tight sierra]

The racist's video was going frame by frame at the Padawan Meditation scene in episode 1 and determining the race of each child actor

[silk jacinth]

The Critical Drinker's?

[tight sierra]

Please do not give the child poison

[silk jacinth]

If Nubs drinks it he will grow larger

Master Nubs we have unfinished business. Attack me with all your strength

[tight sierra]

K

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[silk jacinth]

He would break Mae in half

[empty minnow]

Whatever happened in the coven that night, I refuse to believe that Master Sol was in any way complicit in the events or secretly evil

[ocean jewel]

i'm leaning towards gross misunderstanding over prejudices between them

[light ermine]

I don't get people being like "wow this show is going to show that the Jedi are the BAD guys" when I think it's far more murky and grey than that. I think it's going to reinforce that the Jedi of the late high Republic and prequel era were flawed, and not infallible. I don't think either the Jedi or the coven really puts their best foot forward in that first encounter, both reacted and acted out of turn at moments

Or the Sith were also manipulating this event from the shadows, stoking the fear of both the Jedi and the coven

[ocean jewel]

i concur.

[light ermine]

Though I kinda hope that's not the case because I don't know if it's as interesting or human as "hey they both messed up" than "spooky bad man was behind it all" even if that is more consistent with Palpatine in the prequels

[silk jacinth]

The Jedi are very flawed

They don't behave like a normal person would

[proud notch]

Please do not the car

[cosmic siren]

so something i seen this morning is people bitching about dave filoni being made cheif creative officer now. like fuck people have been wanting in in a higher up spot in star wars for years now and now that hes involved with almost everything coming out in it people are bitching about it. i am fully convinced that fans have no damn clue what they want anymore

[empty minnow]

They're mad now cause it was revealed that Dave Filoni had a hand in making the new witches

[narrow lotus]

well. we know what they want. they've been pretty obvious about it lol.

[cosmic siren]

the thing i find most hilarious about this shit is that theyre saying "filoni is bad at his job because heres his wife"

[empty minnow]

See the narrative shifts now

Now it's Leslie the director and Filoni's wife who are forcing Filoni to ruin Star Wars

Totally normal rational behavior

[silk jacinth]

Oh ffs

[wild cove]

That’s pretty funny

He can’t just be a hack on his own merits?

[tight sierra]

no they need to blame the women

[ocean jewel]

so weird. now if the jedi started teaching these witchy ways i'd be upset because that would be changing it. adding in a new group that have their own religion is an easier way of having protagonist/antagonist

it sucks so hard that this is where we are as a world in 2024. we aren't discussing thigns critically. we are nitpicking details because one other thing offends us in the story.

[potent cape]

We're working on that..
It'd be nice to discuss the actual show lol

[ocean jewel]

i'm just talking in generalities. not specifically in here.

[potent cape]

Yeah fair

[ocean jewel]

i'm looking forward to more of the show.

I think the releasing on a weekly schedule again is a good way to go about things.

allows you to digest the information as you go instead of a giant dump

[potent cape]

I'm really curious about how Mae and Osha were made. I saw someone saying maybe it's one soul split in two, one light one dark

Which could be fun

[ocean jewel]

definitely. why would one tend towards darker stuff and the other more light.

also i didn't get the vibe that the witches were "dark" just a different way of life that got shunned

[potent cape]

Yeah I do have the feeling that they're a lil dark side though, but not necessarily evil

[ocean jewel]

at least using what the jedi would say is dark side.

[potent cape]

But the domination thing they did on torbin is certainly within the realm

[ocean jewel]

agreed

unfortunately i don't think we'll get a good explanation as they are all dead it looked like.

[potent cape]

Might get more flashbacks

[ocean jewel]

we can hope for something. i'd hate for it to remain ambiguous.

[silk jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-with-flashbacks-flashback-war-flashback-war-kid-gif-13480275209972487965

[potent cape]

Ooh, I just saw something from the director that says "We were obviously influenced by samurai films and wuxia films, but also films like Rashomon, where you see one story and then you see it done a different way."

Rashomon, very good.

makes sense

[ocean jewel]

so tell the story from one viewpoint and then go back and show another?

i also love that sort of thing.

[potent cape]

Yeah, can't trust one POV, gotta see them all

[vast plank]

I hate social media

imagine stalking a mans wife to justify why you hate a show about space magic and laser swords

[cosmic siren]

Honestly.

Reminds me of people saying a dude is simping for his wife, like the fuck does simping mean anymore? theyre married

[ocean jewel]

right? their thoughts and ideas are going to rub off on each other.

[light ermine]

IMO if you're not simping for your wife then why even get married in the first place lol

[cosmic siren]

The way I understood it to begin with was simping was excessively doing shit for someone else with no expectation of anything in return even at the cost of your own needs and desires.

Meanwhile people say that kratos was simping for laufey in god of war because he picked up a log in her way while carrying their son, all because she called him good boy afterwards

Idk about you but moving an obstacle for your wife and child is not at all simping

[light ermine]

I think the original use of the word has been diluted at this point lol

[ocean jewel]

people will always take words that mean one thing that they don't like/understand and use it differently to take whatever it was supposed to be and deminish it

[cosmic siren]

Like how mid literally meant middle but now means bad for some reason

[light ermine]

exactly

[cosmic siren]

I legitimately hate people sometimes

[narrow lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/point-of-view-star-wars-obi-wan-from-a-point-of-view-gif-15770138

Almost as if that's been a theme in Star Was all this time lol

[ocean jewel]

definitely. its a great literary device. especially when you don't want to make one side good and one side bad.

[light ermine]

Luke vs Kylo vs the truth

[potent cape]

And kylo didn't even destroy the academy!

[light ermine]

as someone who loves Kylo Ben and that comic, that still feels like such a convenient asspull

but I also wished that the KoR were former Luke students that sided with Ben instead of "space biker pirate gang"

[ocean jewel]

would have been nice for them to get some more detail. ultimately though it didn't make a difference to the story that was told

[light ermine]

I think this is something a lot of people fail to grasp

if it doesn't make a tangible difference to the story being told, what reason does it have to be there? let someone else flesh it out more later down the line if they want to, that was like the lifeblood of the EU for years

[ocean jewel]

and who knows what got edited out either.

every story has things that just exist.

[light ermine]

wish disney would chill and let Paul Duncan release another deep dive book on the creation and making of the sequels like he did for the OT and prequels

the art books are decent enough for that but are still somewhat sanitized compared to those books

[ocean jewel]

i think they worry that it could do more harm than good. would be a never ending rabbit hole

[light ermine]

there's def some behind the scenes drama on at least TFA and TROS too, those movies were SOOO leaky whereas a lot of TLJ was pretty close to the chest. Whether it be because Bad Robot were the primary production offices on those, where TLJ seemed to be mostly handled in house by LF

I think Harrison's leg injury from TFA resulted in some legal issues that I'm not sure have even come to light really

[ocean jewel]

and there is the difference between JJ and Rian

[potent cape]

I enjoyed tfa and even tros, but I never want jj to make another film again

[ocean jewel]

yeah i don't disagree.

he ruined the new star trek too lol

[vast plank]

that word has lost all meaning lmao

[vast plank]

behind the scenese issues were vision issues

[ocean jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/we-didnt-start-the-fire-billy-joel-80s-music-always-burning-hot-gif-18200905

the witches at the coven be like

[vast plank]

not identity poltics issues like soo many grifty YTers claim it to be

issue isn't that Rey as a female was the main character

Issue was that there was a lot of things lacking in how it was executed

like writing and subverting expectations

TLJ wasn't necessarily bad but got soo much heat than it deserved because people expected it to do things carrying on over from TFA, but it just did its own thing and threw out concepts established in TFA

Also I feel like FINN had a bigger part but it was also sidelined in TLJ, hence vision differences

imho Rian should've directed the entire trilogy because that way atleast we would've gotten something different

because JJ is kind of mid

[cosmic siren]

Like it had any to begin with XD

[vast plank]

and he would've done nothing new with the sequel

TFA was ANH 2.0

same with TROS,

dude has no vision and all he can do is play it safe

make mediocre safety net movies that will result in a stable income for said studio

[light ermine]

exactly, I think that the biggest issue is that it feels like only 2-3 plot points were set in stone (Rey becoming a Skywalker, Ben returning to the Light, etc) and then just gave total free reign to JJ and Rian to figure the rest out

[vast plank]

I doubt JJ would've wanted to kill snoke

[light ermine]

it's also weird because when Rian was announced to be doing EpVIII he was also announced to be writing a draft of IX but I guess that fell to the wayside

[vast plank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lzht3Tr9GE

[ocean jewel]

at least we aren't subject to D and D star wars. (Benioff and Weiss)

[light ermine]

wonder if anything from their film is gonna get reused for the Dawn of the Jedi movie, since I guess it was supposed to tread similar ground

[ocean jewel]

who knows. the mods should probably put us back on track though 😛

[silk jacinth]

I wish the sequels took the time to have a plan for all 3 movies

I know the 2 previous trilogies didn't have it but it'd have been nice

[nova slate]

You can only catch lightning in a bottle so many times

[cosmic siren]

Oh boy anyone ready for a new reason why Disney Star Wars isn’t Star Wars? From some rando fuck on Facebook “Disney BOUGHT Star Wars, there for it’s not fair to call the new stuff Star Wars”

Going by that logic because Bethesda bought fallout from insight entertainment I guess all new fallout games after 2 arnt fallout. Fallout new Vegas isn’t actually fallout everyone! Not allowed to enjoy it anymore

[crisp ravine]

then complain that they spoonfed the narrative to you after you whined about being confused

[cosmic siren]

"what ever happened to show dont tell!" series shows instead of tells "i dont get it..." series tells later to reinforce "theyre telling instead of showing! this is bad writing!"

[faint urchin]

I thoroughly enjoyed this whole discussion and all the memes 🤣

@magic gazelle thots?

[magic gazelle]

I like thots

[vast plank]

https://tenor.com/view/brie-larson-positive-thots-gif-12311075878102099057

[faint urchin]

😭 I can’t unsee her meh performance in the Captain Marvel films

[silk jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/thot-gone-gif-9874995

[empty minnow]

See that....I didn't like

They were really trying to portray Ben in a better light

or in this case Kylo

"oh no it wasn't Ben who destroyed the Academy but instead lightning!"

[hoary star]

TBF I'd be willing to entertain this argument. But mainly because of the major tonal shift of 3+

[empty minnow]

Yeah but like no one has played the OG Fallout games

So its a lot less minimal

(For clarification purposes I have played the original Interplay Fallout games!)

[potent cape]

W0w is this how you view me?

[empty minnow]

You're not just anyone though

You're Avsati

Clearly not a commoner

[potent cape]

I liked 1 & 2, and hated 3 so much I never played anything beyond 3 lol

[empty minnow]

I think Tactics was iffy for me lol

I need to replay that one xD

But I really loved FO 1 and 2

3 and NV was awesome. I don't like the choices you NEED to choose in 4

[silver ridge]

This is the only time I saw Jedi fight unarmed

[hoary star]

I enjoyed 3... But only from a lens of a game that was inspired by fallout and not actually fallout. Basically the Pathfinder to D&D... Unfortunately it is branded as fallout so I get not liking it

[ocean jewel]

i thought it was a fantastic change.

seeing a jedi fight outside of a lightsaber.

[hoary star]

https://tenor.com/view/mace-windu-clone-wars-mace-windu-clone-wars-gif-13232113

[cosmic siren]

Was about to make a joke that windu was a far superior Jedi to kenobi cus obiwan kicks grevious and nearly breaks his leg while mace is sitting here beating the hell out of multiple super battle droids.

Then I remember mace has a cheat code in that he can see the weak spots in shit

[proud notch]

Some of these people really need to learn what Occam's Razor is and try to apply it

[proud notch]

The word simp was originally an acronym that stood for "sucka idolizing mediocre pussy" in African American Vernacular English

[proud notch]

What's really funny is that George Lucas liked Last Jedi the most out of the 3 and he also said Kenobi was his favorite Disney project

[proud notch]

Captain midnight peak

[cosmic siren]

so even less of a meaning than i expected

[proud notch]

I suppose

It was used a bit in rap

If you're interested in a deep dive, look up AAVE, you'll be surprised how many popular words in meme culture started out as words in AAVE

[ocean jewel]

not really surprising.

[proud notch]

Woke is one such word that started from AAVE

[tight sierra]

It's also short for simpleton

[vast plank]

The show isn't as bad as most folk make it out to be

tbh

its over-exaggeration for hatebait type of "content"

inb4 episode for is the worst thing ever in a clickbait title

[proud notch]

Lol I forgot that's coming out today. Im still on the high of house of the dragon lol. Also tomorrow is my birthday and I might save that episode for tomorrow

Also @vast plank is your picture emperor Calus or are my eyes mistaken 👀

[vast plank]

yes

[proud notch]

Ayyy

Mine's the witness as a cat lol

Still working on my salvation's edge clear ahah

[crisp ravine]

No it’s the worst thing ever made and Kathleen Kennedy and Dave filoni shot George Lucas multiple times in the chest and robbed him for all his money to make shows full of gay people who DONT EXIST and now it’s a LIBERAL AGENDA Star Wars is ruined and that show is an ATTACK on white people /s

[lone coral]

The fact that we as a society need the "/s" at the end of a rant like this because there are real people, who vote, I might add, that write things like this and mean it, is astounding. It's 2024, and we're still acting like this?

[cosmic siren]

I assume /s is indicating sarcasm?

[narrow lotus]

yes

[narrow lotus]

Imagine watching a show that isn't just an action movie cut into 8 parts

Star Wars Daytime Drama (Soap Opera) (its soo slooww and boooring)
Star Wars Buddy Cops (no lightsabers??? lame!)
Star Wars RomCom (eewwww it gave me cooties!)
Star Wars Sitcom (ugh, it's not serious enough and I have no sense of humor)
Star Wars High School Musical (askhjkfsd DISNEY akjkhafds KATHLEEN KENNEDY)

[lone coral]

I'm down for all of these, if, and only if, I finally get my hard R rated Star Wars horror movie.

[tight sierra]

We have the Empire on Ice https://youtu.be/lHw0-6SqecI

[light ermine]

Filoni (in a very Filoni way lol) kinda said something like that isn't likely to happen

[lone coral]

I know, but I want it so bad. We got shades of it in that one Manadalorian episode, but I need more, haha.

[light ermine]

Wait which one?

[lone coral]

The one with the prison ship. With Bill Burr and Clancy Brown. Mando was kind of the "monster" in that episode, but it was filmed like a slasher flick.

[light ermine]

Ohhhh, idk why but I thought you were talking about the one where Mando hacked up a few dudes but I'm now remembering that was BOBF lol

[lone coral]

That was good too, but more in the vein of a violent action movie. Which is totally fine, I loved that, but the suspenseful cat and mouse game on that ship was well done, and I want that with more Star Wars, some monster picking off our heroes one by one.

[light ermine]

Back on topic (but still within our above convo lol), I know Leslye said that each episode has a specific inspiration and cited Alien and Predator as examples; I'm guessing either tonight or next week is the predator one

[lone coral]

Oooh, I didn't know she cited those as inspiration. Now I'm even more pumped!

[tight sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-23deers-schwarzenegger-sonofabitch-gif-18064779

Note: Peter doesn't get royalties for making up the sound

[lone coral]

I did know this, haha. His speech about how he came up with Optimus Prime's voice is really cool. Just super heartfelt.

[narrow lotus]

Being owned by Disney, definitely not.
If they passed it off fully to Marvel.... maybe it'd get the Deadpool treatment, but that's doubtful.

[tight sierra]

Only celebrity I had to meet

[lone coral]

Oh man, I don't know that I've ever been more jealous of a celebrity meetup!

[tight sierra]

He used to voice Eeyore https://x.com/tommy_stella/status/1802179358297125035

Tommy Stella - MUSTN'T TELL OUT NOW (@tommy_stella) on X

I told my cousins about all the Yord Horde insanity tonight at Olive Garden and my cousin's boyfriend sat there silent the whole time and then whispered, "...Eeyord." Anyway, here's Eeyord.

Twitter · Jun 16, 2024, 3:20 AM

(bringing this back to Acolyte talk lol)

[nova slate]

I went to go look this up and subsequently found that an episode of Doc mcstuffins where the winnie the pooh gang meets the titular character was banned in china due to the Xi JinPing memes that were popular at the time

[tight sierra]

What a bother

Xi needs to be like Torban

https://tenor.com/view/the-acolyte-acolyte-star-wars-star-wars-gif-12503005277728983403

[tight sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-wookie-wookies-jedi-lasersword-gif-25843180

here we goooo

https://tenor.com/view/yeosang-hoodie-ateez-starliqhtz-atz-gif-20560068

loving the Jedi ships having to detach the hyperdrive

oh no not like this

BUGS

[cosmic siren]

just seen someone say "if your that powerful in the dark side yoda should sense you from across the galaxy."
so like did you not watch the prequels? yoda didnt sense darth fucking sidious directly infront of him XD

[tight sierra]

Darth Dentist out of focus and descending from the trees behind Osha, chills man.

also, credits say that is indeed Ki-Adi

[cosmic siren]

makes sense. cereans can live about 225 years apparently

[narrow lotus]

oh, they watch the prequels
they just don't pay attention to anything other than

https://tenor.com/view/lightsaber-technique-gif-24177111

[cosmic siren]

honestly

[narrow lotus]

I don't remember if it's the same in the new canon, but part of Palps hiding so well was a) just all the LIFE on Coruscant and b) the Jedi Temple was built on top of an ancient Sith shrine.
So the Jedi were feeling the Dark Side all the time. Also why Yoda hid on Dagobah, to hide within all the Dark Sideness there.

[cosmic siren]

even then if we take the plagueis novel into account. two jedi didnt sense plagueis directly infront of them until he wanted them too

liked this episode. personally feel its the weaker of the 4 so far. but got some good character interaction. yord relaxing a little bit and showing some compassion for osha was great. jecki reminds me of barriss in the clone wars before she went all domestic terrorist. trying her damnedest to be an impartial jedi but obviously still having issues with emotion. seriously sad to see kelnacca go out. was looking forward to seeing him in action in the present day. at least burryaga should still be alive.

[narrow lotus]

I still think the pacing sucks and they should have had hour episodes or released it in binge format

if would be even remotely possible to avoid spoilers without just disconnecting from the Internet entirely, I would have just waited til it was all out to binge it

[light ermine]

Agreed, that last 5 mins was super tense but oh man blue balls of having to wait another week for only 30 mins is bad

[nova slate]

Makes me have the headcanon that people skilled enough in the force can do the DBZ “hiding their power level” shit but with the force

[cosmic siren]

fairly sure thats already a thing XD

i know zannah could do that in rule of two but i dont remember if that was a spell or just masking herself in the force

[nova slate]

Well isn’t it more like “man I haven’t been using the force in a while, my connection is pretty weak” rather than being able to do it more at a whim? I honestly can’t remember

Guess it is an ability

[cosmic siren]

knew it!

krillins stealth mode is a thing!

[narrow lotus]

Well, Zannah isn't canon and that's a Legends/EU article

[cosmic siren]

zannah has been mentioned a couple times in canon actually XD

maybe it wasnt called as such in canon but the fact that sidious (on many different occasions) has been around many a jedi with not a suspicion in the world of being a sith id say is more than enough to confirm its a thing

[narrow lotus]

Indirectly mentioned in one episode of TCW. The books that describe either her or Bane's abilities aren't canon.

[narrow lotus]

Yeah, I just don't think it's listed as a "power" like EU/Legends had it (which mostly came from video games)

[cosmic siren]

if it was simply any of these youd imagine the moment they attended quigons funeral on naboo the jedi would immediately look at him like "you sith sucking son of an ruby whore"

[tight sierra]

Is this how it works

[cosmic siren]

thats canon now

[nova slate]

Based on how trade negotiations worked in the prequels, absolutely

[shrewd heron]

Liked this episode.

The ending of the episodes always seem to be a little off

Like it either should have ended a little later or a little earlier

[light ermine]

For this one in particular I was kinda guessing it'd end with the shot of the Jedi being launched back from the end of the first trailer since that came out, it's a good full screen transition point

[shrewd heron]

It was a cool shot

[light ermine]

Still wish these episodes were longer, didn't suuuper feel the shorter length of this one until the very end

Though did audibly groan when I saw the length when I opened the app

[potent cape]

Sol has such a good jedi voice

[silk jacinth]

YOU CAN'T END IT LIKE THAT!!!!!!

[crisp ravine]

Holy shit can Disney write any good dialogue

Half of the lines sound like they were written as a stand in for something better down the line but they never replaced it

[potent cape]

The Star Wars tradition.

[crisp ravine]

I was turning into Qimir at the end

Complete disbelief

[potent cape]

IS THAT A LITTLE SELONIAN

SELONIANS IN MY LIVE ACTION??

[cosmic siren]

dialogue is just a sound effect according to george. welcome to star wars

[potent cape]

He's not a selonian, sadge 😦

[crisp ravine]

I can see why people say this show feels like it has a small budget. Everything feels really rushed. Any alien is on the screen for like 40 seconds max and the one non human gets 1 shot of him walking and then he’s dead in his house. The tracker runs off in his own so they don’t have to cgi him in. I like that there is a Kel’Dor in the group but he’s barely even in the background most of the time. I love Sol essentially taking these kids on a field trip.

Sol is really carrying this show ngl

[potent cape]

THERE'S A KEL'DOR?

[crisp ravine]

Ye

He looks like he’s wearing the Star Wars equivalent of one of those rubber horse heads that were super popular in like 2014

[potent cape]

I kinda love Qimir

he has little shit energy.

[crisp ravine]

I think the audience is Qimir

Not rlly taking any of this shit seriously and just blatantly confused at some of the more egregious stuff

[tight sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/padme-anakin-star-wars-gif-5048793

[crisp ravine]

You’re so right

[potent cape]

Everytime I watch the OG trilogy, my partner complains about the dialogue too. It's tradition

[crisp ravine]

It’s not a Disney specific issue

I think it’s more like Disney has a specific style of bad dialogue that’s very evident as opposed to the traditionally shitty Star Wars dialogue

[tight sierra]

oof. this episode was review bombed on IMDB before it was even released at 3.7/10

[potent cape]

He's gotta be the sith, right

[tight sierra]

he's the Acolyte for sure

[potent cape]

can someone tell my colourblind ass what colour this mans saber is

[crisp ravine]

ngl id be surprised if he wasnt

[crisp ravine]

organge

[potent cape]

pog

[potent cape]

he's too much of a lil shit to not be a sith

like when he leans in to Mae and is like "hmmm your sister seems to be fond of that Master Sol. 👺 👺 👺 "

[cosmic siren]

i can definitely see qimir being the "what a twist" sith dude. but i really hope they go with an actual twist and have him NOT be the sith

[potent cape]

I 100% understand this. I've been watching power rangers, and the dialogue is a different style of shit when the disney era starts

[crisp ravine]

if qimir is the sith then this show becomes much worse for me

[cosmic siren]

i really hope they make him not the sith

[crisp ravine]

right? like at least the sand line is laughably bad, these newer lines arent even funny because theyre so bad, theyre just bland

im probably tweakin off the copium rn tho

[cosmic siren]

imagine qimir being like dooku, and mae being essentially ventress if ventress thought she was loyal to sidious

[potent cape]

I think that's the idea

[cosmic siren]

side note, did ventress ever meet or know about sidious?

[tight sierra]

it's yellow. i turned off my blue light filter to see

[potent cape]

foiled again

[cosmic siren]

yellow

[tight sierra]

orange closer to what Baylen had

[potent cape]

I think she knew Dooku had a master, but nothing really beyond that?

I can't remember actually

[crisp ravine]

i liked the lil translator jecki was using

that little detail was a nice touch since its not too far off what we do today

[potent cape]

I like Jecki

[cosmic siren]

i find it funny how people were legitimately debating on the male to female ratio of this clip before the show came out. citing it would be woke and most of them would be women XD meanwhile in reality theres like 3 women, 5 men and 1 unconfirmed keldor

jecki is great honestly. i love her character

[potent cape]

@crisp ravine the jedi do seem pretty high republic-coded though

hits the tone from the books pretty well

[tight sierra]

that's not funny, that's just sad

[cosmic siren]

extremely

[tight sierra]

Star Wars: does anything
snowflakes:

[cosmic siren]

what was this dudes name again?

[potent cape]

Bazil

He's a Tynnan

[cosmic siren]

did i hear yord correctly saying he spoke shyriiwook with bazil?

[tight sierra]

no he didn't

[cosmic siren]

im sure i heard him say something about speaking shyrriiwook, but i dont know

[potent cape]

He said he could've learnt it, but decided against it for something else

[cosmic siren]

ah

thank you

[tight sierra]

he learned another language while everyone else learned wookiee because he wanted something refined

[faint urchin]

I KNOW RIGHT?

I low key want it to be Qimir cuz he’s such a little shit. Like having two personalities

[tight sierra]

he definitely is. his intro scene has him saying "Peace is a Lie"

[green mountain]

You can end it like that 😛 Its technically the mid season finale ...LOL

[silk jacinth]

🥲

My guess is in the last episodes we'll see the other part of the flashback

[green mountain]

Im just upset we didnt get to see a wookie actually weild a lightsaber! Im sure we will in the flashbacks of the Jedi killing the mothers.

[silk jacinth]

We know he fight Torbin

[cosmic siren]

we will definitely get it in flash backs, its shown in the trailer. but im with ya

i wanted to see more of kelnacca

[green mountain]

100% with you on that

[cosmic siren]

what is qimir is the sith. but not in the way we expect. what if the whole kill with out a weapon is qimir killing the jedi through mae and technically with out a weapon

[green mountain]

My only major complaint with it is I think Charlie Barnettes (Yord) acting has been terrible.

[cosmic siren]

nah his acting has been brilliant

yord is a fucking dumb ass and i love it

[green mountain]

God he feels so stale to me

[cosmic siren]

yord is what the jedi are preserved as across the galaxy.

when the common folk imagine how a jedi would act they imagine how yord acts

guy is way too stick to the rules and over confident. its great

i wanna see him get his ass beat

[silk jacinth]

He is a Jedi by the book

[green mountain]

I had this whole theory about Indara being the baddie. She is doing it as her pennance for killing the mothers. Trying to make it right by slaying all the Jedi that killed them. Kept it a secret because "Jedi" dont do that ..yadda yadda

[nova slate]

the straightman to everyone else's crazy

[silk jacinth]

Void of emotions

[nova slate]

yord of emotions

[silk jacinth]

😆

[tight sierra]

Yord is a himbo and the internet loves himbos

[cosmic siren]

im partially biased towards yord because hes got a yellow saber

i use a yellow saber myself