TECH abuse in Finals

[storm niche]

Personally, I find it very disruptive - like abusing a bug /loophole in game rules to gain MASSIVE advantage. that's not a fair game.

Apparently I'm not the only one that finds it like cheating

[fringe sandal]

Interesting why thats become acceptable "the new normal" gameplay mechanic, it basically promotes having multis

[spice prairie]

You mean the WW abuse if I understand correctly

Yeah, thats the biggest problem right now and game devs are currently working on preventing ability to abuse it the way it works now

Tech-account farming - if it's inside confed it's legal because the game automatically limits the amount of resources players can raid from them. If it's raiding techs outside confed - it's called private farms and will be punished

[fringe sandal]

WW abuse? I meant multi account networks inside confederation who channels resources to certain players.

Like look at the alliance leaderboards - 5 times the difference between top 1 and top 2 in 38 hours.

[spice prairie]

As I said, if it's inside confeds it's automatically limited by the game

WW abuse makes those limits not occure as trade routes doesn't have limits

So it's far more problematic

[fringe sandal]

With the scale of network the limit can be surpassed easily. Pick one of 100 accounts who isnt limited.

[fringe sandal]

Fair point.

[spice prairie]

Apart from that the level of cheating on finals nowadays compared to

Any finals 2013-2020

Is nothing 😄

[fringe sandal]

Previously the game required some skill and effort, now just farm 1Mil+ from confederation techs every couple of minutes or spend the resources received from market.

[fringe sandal]

Is there some mid-server hotfix to be expected?

[spice prairie]

No

[gentle pewter]

Stall the server

[spice prairie]

That was always the case since the very beggining of finals in 2010 when ruteam came with an idea of private farming

Moreover, back then it was legal

But that was right at the end of 3.6 era, next finals was in 4.0

[fringe sandal]

13 years...

So it's the new normal

[spice prairie]

No, private farming is no longer a thing as it became illegal in early 2021

Now you can't farm techs outside your confed (without limits)

[fringe sandal]

Same thing in differnt dress, private confederation farms.

[spice prairie]

So not the same thing as I'm explaining that it has limit built in game

You can't raid them endlessly like before

[fringe sandal]

Well, the limit shows 5 times the difference between top 1 and top 2 ally in 38 hours

5x in 38h

[spice prairie]

But difference are you talking about

Raiding?

[fringe sandal]

Finals, comparison of alliance cummulative raiding.

[spice prairie]

Take a look at top 10 PvE and that may have something to do with it

[gentle pewter]

Animal farming is to op

Broken

[fringe sandal]

4/10 top 10 raiders are in #1 ally raiders

2/10 in #2ally raiders

[spice prairie]

Those top 10 raiders are also in top 10 PvE

Shouldn't be much of a surprise

[fringe sandal]

I'm was talking about PVE raiders.
4 vs 2

[spice prairie]

Yeah, so 😄

I don't get the point

[fringe sandal]

So the limits seems to be appropriate?

[spice prairie]

I don't see any top raiders that are in top 10 that are not raiding animals like crazy tho

Maybe Grimm but it's gaul

Also his farm is x2 less that rank 1

[gentle pewter]

Who, S idea was give reward for killing animals

[spice prairie]

No idea

But it actually made finals better as you can actually farm

Instead of pure teching

[storm niche]

Animal raiding isnt that rewarding as tech farming

[gentle pewter]

Not for solo player

Clicking fl every 3 min impossible

[spice prairie]

Game won't ever reward solo players anyway

[spice prairie]

Tech farming not as rewarding as WW abuse

[storm niche]

Funny that russkies has lost their tongue

[fringe sandal]

So you admit the techs are dissruptive gameplay issue?

[spice prairie]

with the form as they are right now by the WW abuse - yes

[fringe sandal]

For WW abuse simple trading restriction until BP would solve it.

[spice prairie]

yes, that was also my original suggestion about it 😄

[fringe sandal]

And why havent it been implemented?

[spice prairie]

I'd love to answer that question

But I don't know

[fringe sandal]

So no live patching (undestandable by technnoly retstriction), but no development pipeline for critical game loopholes to be fixed...

I beleive you can do better guys.

[spice prairie]

I'm just a simple discord moderator

[fringe sandal]

Same could be said about confederation trade/raiding limit review to improve the healthiness and make the Tech meta less rewarding.

[fringe sandal]

You must know a guy, who actually can do smth about this.

[spice prairie]

😄

[fringe sandal]

I'd like to have a call with that guy.

Hook me up if you can

He might have a title "Lead game designer" or smth @oak edge

[fringe sandal]

@oak edge your comment about the thread would be invaluable! 🏆

[low perch]

Wouldn't call animals killing actual farming tbh

[spice prairie]

Still something compared to times previous 4.6

[low perch]

Nah it is cancer for the game

[tulip crane]

can confirm this 😄

9 of 10 top10 raiders are tech raiding 😄

[storm niche]

That clearly displays that the confederacy tech raiding limits should be sigificantly reduced or be punishable action if massively abused, dont you think so?

[tulip crane]

Kinda dont care

Its fun for us to try to race n beat them like in qualy

[storm niche]

Good luck to race 1/10 of resources from techs by end of the week 🤏🏽

[tulip crane]

Been there done that on last qualy

And by mid server we had 10% more than them 😄

[gentle pewter]

Next time Instead of driving to work, just walk coz its kinda fun

[west hare]

it's not the first time 😄

[fringe sandal]

We come back to it, that you have accepted it as a new normal. That it is intended part of gameplay mechanic not systematic abuse.

That requires no skill, just lots of lots of multi-acc.

[west hare]

No we didn't

Don't be silly

Most of these players are against it

I was always against techs as it is an unfair advantage

Well, TG are just full of bullocks

but at least some of these techs are getting banned

[fringe sandal]

Sad that the MH seems to act like all is ok, whitin the limits of predetermied rules for confederacy-farming. I really want to hear what Lead Game Designer has to say about this.

Whats his posistion, reasoning of not patching those loopholes over time/between servers.

[west hare]

It's obvious

This game is all about making money

[spare sigil]

Money talks 🧐

[tulip crane]

Well am anti tech but i never advocated hard against it as i found that most of people that have problem with tech abusers would also cheat on same way if they could i.e. they lack money to fininace all that or they dont have crew for it so

[west hare]

All in all you can still beat techers but that's going to cost you a lot of time. Most definitely you would need to farm oasis

and almost each day you would need to look for some inactives or some accounts that are not active during the night

[fringe sandal]

Why you never advocated agaisnt it? It like abusing a bug that hasnt been fixed, as there is no pusnihsable action taken for TECH players

Every gold you spend to gain your +25% res, has 1/100 or less value compared to TECH abuse

[gentle pewter]

It should be caught of cheating - game you get pernament Ban :

Or just FBI open up

[stoic thorn]

Yup.

The amount of teching is super limited this year

I only have respect for the pve farmers

[fringe sandal]

You mean "limited" to techs in confederation which got the finals ticket. It's better but the issue of teching still persists.

[west hare]

They won't remove it

Just forget that

They would say that this issue was resolved in 2021

and all we know that teching has now become really expensive unless you find some loophole

there are some loopholes and reporting doesn't really help

[tulip crane]

U need money or no life n easy

[timid field]

make market unavailable and ww villa to have cranary for 5kk automaticly. Hotfix in 5mins but let developers work for 3 more years

[spice prairie]

there are much simpler ways

[timid field]

lel

thats just prove my point that no1 gives a fck to problem that could be easly fixed

[fringe sandal]

@harsh jacinth do you have some insights or data to justify current confederacy teching limits and ww trade limit bypass abuse as acceptable gameplay mechanics? Not to mention, that TECHs are in they greyzone of multiaccounts by purpose.

[gentle pewter]

So no big change in close future?

[gentle pewter]

About those WW abusers :spawn WW village not at the start of the server, but between arts and BP at random place : early zerg team lockdowns on WW just brakes the fun

[west hare]

or just bring back t3.6 versions of WW