Shiny Hunting Kyogre (OPEN)

[meager stirrup]

Congrats though

[slow juniper]

and for the help

thank you!

my plan was for gira next

but since we're doing kyogre

might as well do groudon too

[meager stirrup]

Yeah, np! I'll cya tmr

Yeah, might as well do all of them lol

[slow juniper]

ye lmao

well, cya tmr

Gn the both of you

[slow juniper]

Gm people

hope ya'll doin well today!

[craggy pumice]

morning

[slow juniper]

wsg

[craggy pumice]

you guys want to shiny hunt something?

[slow juniper]

Not rn

[rich kettle]

I just fat fingered my controller and lost my Lunala notes 😭😭😭

[craggy pumice]

you can reset the game

[slow juniper]

Hooowwww

[craggy pumice]

it'll come back

the game removes the notes after the save so you can just reset it

[slow juniper]

Dawg I think you need to take a break

you can't be pulling what I did

[rich kettle]

I've only just started today I'm just a total klutz

[slow juniper]

You haven't stopped?

[rich kettle]

omg I had no idea lmao thanks

[next nacelle]

m00njunk has given 1 Gen Rep to dilthium

[rich kettle]

I mean I've done like 2 today and I've been awake for 6 hours so I've had a good amount of break time

[slow juniper]

alright good

at least you aren't over doing it

[rich kettle]

I have infinitely more patience for Lunala than I had for tornadus

that one I was overdoing

[slow juniper]

how many runs for torn?

[rich kettle]

150+, I lost count after I used 130 luxury balls

[slow juniper]

I finished raquaz at 146

I'm glad its over

[rich kettle]

worth it tho

it's pretty

[slow juniper]

it is

very happy that I went for it

now Ima try and get all three of the weather trio

[rich kettle]

I have a Groudon path saved that I'm gonna do eventually

[slow juniper]

Moon

can I please get the note?

[rich kettle]

yeah sure

[slow juniper]

thank you

I got the kyogre note so I mainly needed the big man himself

[rich kettle]

np

the notes I have rn are cresselia, Groudon, and lunala

[slow juniper]

The notes I have are Kyogre, giratina and Lunala

have yet to do the lunala hunt

but will eventually

[rich kettle]

I've swapped from doing cresselia to Lunala because Lunala is prettier and is more meta in VGC than cresselia is rn

[slow juniper]

You do vgc?

[rich kettle]

yep!

[slow juniper]

How is it?

I've heared mixed things about it

[rich kettle]

really depends on the format

some regulations are better than others

regulation C was really fun, regulation D sucked, regulation E and F were great, and now we're in regulation G, and it's a mixed bag

really depends on who you're fighting

[slow juniper]

So do the pokemon picks, yeah?

[rich kettle]

yeah, regulation G is the first one that lets restricted legendaries (all box art legendaries + Mewtwo, calyrex, and terapagos) be legal, and you only get one per team so team building has gone from building around certain archetypes (sun, rain, psyspam, hyper offense, trick room, etc.) to building around the restricted

calyrex is just so oppressive in the format it's a pain to deal with

[slow juniper]

There's some form of a counter to it at least, yeah?

Ik tera can change its 4x weakness to dark

[rich kettle]

tera makes it hard, lots of shadow riders run tera fairy and draining kiss which can make it really hard to take out

[slow juniper]

Not many steel types or poison types can counter it?

Also question

[rich kettle]

ghouldengo theoretically would, but it's slower and weak to astral barrage, Zamazenta is a mixed bag into it, and most poison types have to fear a psyshock

[slow juniper]

EVs and IVs does impact how battles go, correct?

[rich kettle]

heavily

[slow juniper]

That's one thing I did end up hearing from a friend of mine, also talking about how speed is one of the more important factors of the battles

[rich kettle]

speed is critical. people will train their pokemon to be a specific stat so that they outspeed in both Trick Room and Tailwind, or to outspeed another pokemon holding a choice scarf

I usually have a dedicated pokemon on my team focused on speed control (which is usually tornadus, why I was so desperate to hunt one)

[slow juniper]

explains why you were so happy

so then what is the luna for?

[rich kettle]

Lunala would be the core restricted on a team

she usually runs one of two sets: a power herb meteor beam set to get a +1 special attack and fire off powerful moongeist beams and moon blasts, or calm mind sets to power up and become a wall

[slow juniper]

She can be a Sp def wall?

[rich kettle]

shadow shield makes it so that you can't really KO It in one go, and it will run leftovers on calm mind sets alongside rillaboom with grassy terrain to get shadow shield back up

yep!

[slow juniper]

SS halves damage at 50% when Luna is at full health, yeah?

[rich kettle]

yep, basically multi scale

[slow juniper]

Then the tera would more then likely be dark type or fairy type

[rich kettle]

it almost exclusively runs tera fairy for stab on moonblast

[slow juniper]

Does it work best in trick room?

considering its base 90 speed

[rich kettle]

depends on the scenario

some people are running it with psyspam in trick room

[slow juniper]

Psyspam?

[rich kettle]

but sometimes you're so tanky that you don't really need trick room to win

[rich kettle]

it's an archetype in VGC based on the move expanding force. usually it's an 80 bp move, but in psychic terrain it becomes 120 bp + the psychic terrain damage boost as well as becoming a spread move. so people use Indeedee female (it has helping hand, follow me and trick room for support) with it's hidden ability psychic surge to automatically set up terrain and then a pokemon with expanding force just to nuke the opponent

I used it with Iron Crown to get to Master Ball rank for the first time

[slow juniper]

doesn't expanding force get a +1 priority?

[rich kettle]

nope

grassy glide gets +1 priority in grassy terrain tho

[slow juniper]

they nerfed that, didn't they?

[rich kettle]

they nerfed the base power

[slow juniper]

would snorlax be a good example of that?

always thought of running him

[rich kettle]

Snorlax likes to run belly drum so it's usually putting itself at such low HP that it can't tank super well

[slow juniper]

gotcha

Did not know vgc is that complex

[rich kettle]

yeah lol, there's a lot going on

although you pick up a lot by watching other people play

[slow juniper]

Like seeing certain strategies against more broken mons in the format?

[rich kettle]

yeah, you see how certain pokemon work and what hard counters them vs. what they hard counter

[slow juniper]

Crazy to think pokemon battles are so complex, down to even the littlest detail of anything

[rich kettle]

yeah, going from single player to competitive is a hell of a drug

[slow juniper]

But in some cases its fun at least, yeah?

[rich kettle]

I grew up playing strategy games so it scratches that itch for me

when you get a perfect read, it feels so so good

[slow juniper]

Sounds like it

But unfortunately I'm more so of a shiny hunter so I probably would have a hard time in the vgc grounds

[rich kettle]

I mean I always shiny hunt my teams before I use them

[slow juniper]

Ik final gambit gotta be the most annoying thing to go up against

[rich kettle]

it's such a double edged sword that you have to respect it

I stopped using it because it was really funny when it worked, but when it doesn't it's just a dead weight

[slow juniper]

Mons can also be a double edged sword, yeah?

[rich kettle]

with annihilape and max HP, it can KO nearly every restricted legendary from full hp except for like Kyurem, Lunala, and like tera stellar terapagos

oh yes, the ruinous quartet are perfect examples of double edged swords

Chien Pao reducing your allied Pokemon's defenses put it's at risk, and Ting Lu reducing our own special attack makes it annoying to play alongside of

[slow juniper]

But each of them except for Wo-Chien have their own way of play?

[rich kettle]

yeah

[slow juniper]

Wo Chien is the snail, right?

[rich kettle]

and even wo chien (the snail) got top 8 at the North America international championship

the person running it made it just ever so slightly faster than Kyogre, and would click pollen puff to keep it healthy while it blasted off choice specs boosted max damage water spouts

[slow juniper]

Wow

So the snail out does the whale?

[rich kettle]

the snail kept the whale alive long enough for the whale to KO opposing teams

[slow juniper]

That's wild

[rich kettle]

they didn't make it to the finals, but still, it's the best showing wo chien has ever had

[slow juniper]

and to think people were dogging on him

[rich kettle]

I mean, it is deserved

its a defensive pokemon with one of the worst defensive types in the game

if it had offensive stats like chien Pao, it would be dominating

[slow juniper]

Each of them having their own set of draw backs

[rich kettle]

also wo chien doesn't do anything really unique

if you want a pokemon to click pollen puff, amoonguss is better. if you want a pokemon to reduce the attack of opposing pokemon, incineroar is better. if you want a pokemon to click leach seed and slowly regain HP, VGC just is bad for that play style

I love it's design and can't wait for its shiny to be released one day, but it's hard for it to find a place in how offensive VGC is

games rarely last more than 8 turns at the longest, so stall tactics that wo chien likes to use don't really work

[slow juniper]

Damn

So there's a ton to consider when either 1, what play style you like, or 2 what mon you wanna use

[rich kettle]

yeah, but usually the one informs the other

if you're gunna run calyrex shadow rider, probably not gonna use trick room. if you're running miraidon, you're probably not gonna wanna use Indeedee or rillaboom.

[slow juniper]

Miraidon?

Thought it wasn't useful

except for instant terrain

and its sig move

[rich kettle]

oh no miraidon is very useful

it won the first regional competition of the format and routinely makes top 8

choice specs electric terrain hadron engine just deletes things that would normally resist it

people were doubting it heading into the new regulation but it has done amazingly well

[slow juniper]

its getting the recognition it deserves now

[rich kettle]

koraidon still hasn't won a regional tho

ice rider only just one it's first

[slow juniper]

it still has its own downs, yeah?

[rich kettle]

it has to fight for terrain against rillaboom, which is very popular, which is bad. and it doesn't like shadow rider's tera fairy draining kiss, or Lunala's moonblast

it's fast, but shadow rider still outspeeds it

as does flutter mane with a speed booster

[slow juniper]

So fairy types are gonna be a huge play for the current format rn then

[meager stirrup]

Hihi

[slow juniper]

Hi fennec

how are ya?

[slow juniper]

Does shadow rider outspeed mane?

[meager stirrup]

Pretty good

[rich kettle]

yes it's very stupidly fast

[meager stirrup]

Shadow rider is so fun to use

[rich kettle]

but those fairies also have to watch out for zacian and zamazenta

[meager stirrup]

It's so broken

[rich kettle]

horrifically so lol

[slow juniper]

isn't zam making its return?

heard more people mention them recently

[rich kettle]

zamazenta has already won a regional competition

zacian, however, has only made top 4

[slow juniper]

Dawg getting hit by its sig move hurts

[slow juniper]

Damn, what happened to zac?

[meager stirrup]

Fr, I like battling with random ppl

[rich kettle]

they nerfed intrepid sword into the ground

only activates once per battle

[meager stirrup]

I love using follow me ogerpon

Oof yeah not like intimidate with big cat

[rich kettle]

meanwhile they finally gave zamazenta body press

[meager stirrup]

Nice

[slow juniper]

That's somewhat a good thing, yeah?

[meager stirrup]

Not really for competitive play

For example intimidate would be a lot better

Since incineroar gets parting shot and u turn

And priority moves like fake out

[slow juniper]

Switching out a ton to get off intimidates, yeah?

[meager stirrup]

Yeah it's very good

[slow juniper]

Fake out is one of the better moves in vgc yeah?

[meager stirrup]

Yeah, cause it makes the target flinch

Plus it goes first so

[rich kettle]

it's broken in incineroar since it swaps in, gets off an Intimidate, then uses fake out, then swaps back (usually for rillaboom), then swaps in again for another intimidate and more fake outs

[meager stirrup]

Literally so broken

With the parting shot

[rich kettle]

and they gave it helping hand this generation, as if it needed more buffs

[slow juniper]

So considering its incin is by far one of the most broken mons rn

Would you say it needs nerfs?

[rich kettle]

idk, calyrex and urshifu give it a run for its money

[meager stirrup]

Yeah especially urshifu

Just need to make smart enough plays

[rich kettle]

it could probably use a nerf, get rid of parting shot and it becomes a bit more manageable

[slow juniper]

But overall, a good mon?

[rich kettle]

oh a very good mon

since it was added back in regulation E, it has gotten top 3 most used pokemon at nearly ever regional

just it's existence has forced ice rider, Groudon, and koraidon to run clear amulet pretty much exclusively

[slow juniper]

Damn

So its made its impact of vgc very clear ig

[rich kettle]

oh yes

dethroned the previous best intimidate pokemon, landorus therian

[slow juniper]

which is why you don't see it as much as back then?

[rich kettle]

pretty much

plus incineroar can use both it's fire stab and it's dark stab, while landorus can really only use it's ground stab, since it doesn't really get a good flying move, like Gyarados

[slow juniper]

Plus it has a 4x weakness to ice

So its very vunerable to either tera blast ot alolan ninetales, yeah?

[rich kettle]

it's pretty much forced to run tera flying tera blast, which is annoying if you'd want to use tera on another pokemon. luckily ice isnt really good so thats not a huge issue

landorus incarnate, however, saw use in regulation E as a raging bolt counter

[slow juniper]

Due to rb's ground weakness

[rich kettle]

yep!

the only time ice types have really done well this season was, ironically a choice specs sheer cold Articuno that won the Utrecht Special

first time Articuno has ever won, in the history of pokemon, a regional competition

it had an alolan ninetales with it to set up snow, and they both just spammed blizzard

[slow juniper]

Its rarely seen due to spikes playing into its match ups against other mons, yeah?

[rich kettle]

spikes actually rarely make it to vgc

entry hazards aren't super huge

you don't see Articuno because it's a bulky ice/flying type that doesn't have amazing special attack

[slow juniper]

regardless of stab Ib and blizz?

[rich kettle]

yeah, they help but there are better ice types

[slow juniper]

Aloan ninetales being better than articuno, yeah?

[rich kettle]

mainly because it sets up snow for free

ninetales doesn't have amazing special attack either, but it's ability to be a support pokemon is much greater

snow, Aurora veil, stab moonblast

[slow juniper]

It has a easier time in the field rather than aritcuno?

[rich kettle]

yeah

because you can spec it into taking a hit since you're not focused on it being the main damage dealer, but Articuno you really have to put a lot into it's offenses because it just doesn't have a good supportive movepool

[slow juniper]

That's a ton to take in

[rich kettle]

yeah lol, it is a lot just diving right into the middle of it

[slow juniper]

How do you do it?

dealing with everything in vgc that is?

[rich kettle]

I usually don't and make a lot of mistakes because I forget certain things

it takes a lot of practice

[slow juniper]

Does it get easy once you know what you're doing?

[rich kettle]

watching the regionals live helps to teach you things, as well as just doing battles

once you know your team and how your team works, yes

you'll still get caught off guard from other teams that you don't expect, but if you know how your team works (who's the damage dealers, how can I make sure I go first, etc) it becomes more manageable

[slow juniper]

alright, thank you

That's a ton to understand

[rich kettle]

if you're interested in getting started in VGC, best advice I can give is to take it slow and start with something simple. some silly strats, like the final gambit plays, seem easy watching them but in practice are harder to pull off. some teams are easier than others (any calyrex team vs. a crazy snow team with Kyurem black) so start with something simple, like a very strong legendary or a tried and tested archetype like sun or rain that are easier to build

[slow juniper]

You're talking about mons like pelipper/Torkoal?

[rich kettle]

depends. nowadays torkoal is outclassed by Koraidon and Groudon in terms of being a sun setter but before they were added in torkoal was good. pelipper still sees some use even with politoed and Kyogre in the mix, but that's mostly because stab flying is very useful and rain gives its 100% accurate hurricane, as well as tailwind and wide guard

politoed hasn't done anything since it's been added back, but Kyogre is doing good.

[slow juniper]

But still runs the risk of a 4x weakness to miraidon, yeah?

[rich kettle]

yes lol, so people usually give it a focus sash

although some maniac ran a life orb set and KOd a Kyogre with it

[slow juniper]

using hurricane?

[rich kettle]

yeah

hurricane, wide guard, weather ball, and tailwind is it's usually moveset

[slow juniper]

noted

alright

Will consider looking into vgc, does sound fun when its actually explained by someone who's experienced

Thank you for talking to me about it

[rich kettle]

of course!

[slow juniper]

Learn something new everyday

We had a full morning's worth of talking about vgc

that's wild

[rich kettle]

yeah sorry lol, I just got on a roll and kept going

[slow juniper]

No worries!

Idm

[rich kettle]

I did get a shiny galarian weezing during it

[slow juniper]

You see?

You'll get something in turn

[rich kettle]

true true

haven't had one of them before so a welcome surprise

[slow juniper]

Well, ima go and shiny hunt something idk

lmk when we hunting as always

And ty moon again for the lessons

[rich kettle]

maybe! depends on what I got going on tonight

[slow juniper]

You guys what should I go for, the XY trio or the lake trio

[craggy pumice]

if you're ore farming, the lake trio, you'll need help for the XY trio

[slow juniper]

k

Doing a few gira raids and got an shiny malmar

[meager stirrup]

Oh nice

[rich kettle]

noice

I once saw a shiny malamar in a hacked raid in Scarlet and Violet, but the host who hacked it in played like a moron and we lost it

[meager stirrup]

Lol

[rich kettle]

I've only seen 2 shinies in tera raids, both were 100% injected because had that one malamar one and the players username was a website, and the other was a 5 IV Shiny Masterpiece Sinistcha which I refuse to believe was real (I did catch that one tho)

[meager stirrup]

Lol yeah definitely

[slow juniper]

One of the raids I did wasn't hacked, and I got a shiny toedscruel

probably the luckiest shiny beside the snake

[meager stirrup]

Oh cool

[slow juniper]

Random question, what's ya'lls favorite shiny(ies)

[meager stirrup]

I love shiny inteleon, shiny zamazenta, and Fennekin's whole evo line

[slow juniper]

A shiny starter lover, yeah?

[meager stirrup]

Yeah lol

Oo and Alolan Vulpix + Ninetales

I just love pink shinies lol

[slow juniper]

I can see why you're going for the whale as well too lol

[meager stirrup]

lol yup

[slow juniper]

I think the whale and zamazen are the only pink legend shinies

[meager stirrup]

Yeah I think

I love shiny Spectrier but it's unreleased sooo

[slow juniper]

I completely forgot about that shiny's existence tbh

[rich kettle]

hm hard to say, gardevoir, treecko, and spiritomb are probably top 3, but I also love Delphox, Glimmora, Rabsca, but probably varoom and revavroom are the nearest and dearest to my heart, since they were my first ever shinies

[slow juniper]

Mixed color palette shiny liker, yeah?

[meager stirrup]

I love shiny Treecko

[rich kettle]

yeah i like all of them really. my favorite color is purple but I think a lot of purple shinies are kinda meh

mainly cause they're mostly water types and I don't care much for water types lol

[slow juniper]

Not even mudkip?

[rich kettle]

are y'all ready for this?

worst of the hoenn starters

[slow juniper]

and I'm gonna guess treecko is the best for you

[rich kettle]

cause it is the best of all time

[slow juniper]

Well hey, we've all got our own opinion on the starters

[rich kettle]

fair lol

[meager stirrup]

Yeah, I like mudkip just not it's shiny even though it's pink

The neon pink doesn't look good on it to me

[slow juniper]

fair, fair

I love gen 4, but I think turtwig is the worst out of the bunch ain't gonna lie

[meager stirrup]

Same

[rich kettle]

I could not disagree more

torterra is my baby

I don't care for the entirety of the piplup line tho

[meager stirrup]

I love Piplup just not the rest of the evo line

[slow juniper]

Really?

[meager stirrup]

Empoleon is pretty nice though

[slow juniper]

I think empoleon gets more hates than it deserves

[rich kettle]

I think Empoleon looks dumb

[slow juniper]

Now that is fair

just a big penguin with iron wings

but still, not as bad

[rich kettle]

so mix that with my disdain for water types and it just has nothing for me

and I don't really like monkey pokemon so infernape is pretty low for me too

[slow juniper]

chimchar in the same ballpark?

[rich kettle]

yeah

I hold this same energy for rillaboom but to a lesser extent since it's a grass type

[slow juniper]

Hisuian sam gotta be my favorite mon

besides giratina and natu

[rich kettle]

I don't like six legged giratina but origin giratina is great

[meager stirrup]

Blue giratina is good

Shiny gira

[slow juniper]

after the weather trio hunt going for him after

Natu reminds me of an angry bird, don't know which one tho

[rich kettle]

natu is a vibe

I wish zatu was in Scarlet and Violet so it could get a new model that isn't always flying

[slow juniper]

Natu could come back in ZA

holding out hope for my bird

But now, favorite legendary/mythical(s)?

[meager stirrup]

I think Mew is cute, and Zacian+Zamazenta

[slow juniper]

tiny floating cat and two big dogs

[rich kettle]

either deoxys (not defense form) or diancie for mythical, and either Articuno, Azelf, or Miraidon

[slow juniper]

suprised you like articuno tbh

[rich kettle]

whys that? because I was insulting it earlier?

[slow juniper]

yeah lol

[rich kettle]

the insults come from a place of love

[slow juniper]

You still love it at the end of the day?

[rich kettle]

one of the first legendaries I ever caught, first shiny legendary I ever had, I have a lot of nostalgia for it

and add in the fact that it won a regional with choice specs sheer cold, you can't not love it

[slow juniper]

galarian form or kantonian form?

[rich kettle]

Kanto form

I missed out on the shiny distributions of all the galarian legendaries

[slow juniper]

was gonna pull for shiny galar artic?

[rich kettle]

it's one of the best of the shiny galarian bird

shiny galarian Moltres looks like... a mess, And I just prefer the color scheme on galarian Zapdos. galarian Articuno looks good in both forms

[meager stirrup]

Fr I don't like shiny galarian moltres

It doesn't match

[rich kettle]

it's too bright

[meager stirrup]

Looks better as a pink and black bird

[rich kettle]

100%

[slow juniper]

what about zapdos though?

orginal or shiny form?

[rich kettle]

I prefer the original but the shiny is good

[meager stirrup]

Yeah I like both

[rich kettle]

it doesn't hurt my eyes like Moltres does

[meager stirrup]

But shiny I like better

[rich kettle]

doesn't help that Kanto Moltres is my least favorite of the original birds too lol

wild that they did a legendary Phoenix in back to back generations and one is just so much better than the other

[slow juniper]

agree

galarian forms were definitely a good way to refresh the birds

besides to two regis that came along

[rich kettle]

regieleki design wise is good, but so annoying to fight. Regidrago is... weird.

[slow juniper]

what's up with drago in your eyes?

[rich kettle]

idk, it's not a terrible design but being literally a dragon skull and calling it quits seems... almost too basic? idk, the arms just being jaws feels weird alongside the other regis

[slow juniper]

alr fair

[rich kettle]

again, they did two skeletal dragons in not even back to back generations, just a dlc expansion, and one is better than the other

[slow juniper]

I admit they could've done drago a little better than what the final thing was

[rich kettle]

I think a dragon type regi was already a hard design concept

I wish it were a fire type regi instead, then it could contrast eleki a bit more

[slow juniper]

Sorta like an eletcibuzz and magmar thing

[rich kettle]

yeah like that

[slow juniper]

You think they gonna add another regi?

[rich kettle]

before Gen 8 I would have said hell no

but now idk

[slow juniper]

Pokemon does know when to suprise us when we least expect it

[rich kettle]

true true

still holding out for a new eeveelution

[slow juniper]

.....Idk about that though

I don't think they'd give another eeveelution to us

altough

a dragon type eevee would be super cool ngl

Well regardless

Thank you both or answering my question

[rich kettle]

of course

[slow juniper]

Update, one or the better shinies I've gotten, shiny boldore

[meager stirrup]

Ooo cool

[slow juniper]

thanks

[slow juniper]

well I'll cya tmr ig, night

[rich kettle]

that's an amazing shiny, a horrible pain to evolve tho

[slow juniper]

Wsg everyone, hope ya'll are doin well today

first run today and shiny vaporeon

[rich kettle]

poggers

just learned that if you try and fight a Lunala with a Chansey, it can't KO you at all, but equally you can do absolutely nothing the whole battle

[slow juniper]

Actually?

Kinda makes sense

since its sig is a ghost move, yeah?

[rich kettle]

yeah, and it's Special Defense stat is so high that the normal and fairy move it packs do nothing

but Chansey only has a normal move

[slow juniper]

So it'll just be a loop?

[slow juniper]

I got the groudon path, finally

[rich kettle]

nice!

[slow juniper]

Now I need the pink whale and the yellow lizard

I thinkt that's what groudon is at least

[rich kettle]

I mean I would say so

maybe a mole? that's the only other thing I could see it as

but that's not very legendary

[slow juniper]

I don't think it'd be a mole, doesn't have fur

plus its got eyes, while the mole is blind iirc

[rich kettle]

I mean moles have eyes, they're just terrible

[slow juniper]

My boy drilbur got that all handled out somehow

[rich kettle]

turns out when you get knives for hands you're allowed to have eyes

[slow juniper]

Yeah, then its evo got an easier time than any other mole out there

[rich kettle]

well it's basically tied at the hip with tyranitar so that helps it a lot

scary dog privilege

[slow juniper]

That's a new term idk

Also Groudon a weee bit harder that raquaz somehow

[rich kettle]

does it have precipice blades?

[slow juniper]

that, eq, scary face, and lava plume

[rich kettle]

oh jeez

[slow juniper]

Pelipper gonna be a huge help

[rich kettle]

so flying types are a must have

[slow juniper]

yeah

grass types won't last for long

[rich kettle]

neither will ice types

basically have to have only water types

[slow juniper]

it also has drought

which then boost plume so that's fun

[rich kettle]

that's a cracked moveset

[slow juniper]

it is for some odd reason

2 stab and a move that can burn

[rich kettle]

and earthquake has 100% accuracy

[slow juniper]

yeah

maybe flygon?

[rich kettle]

not super effective, but it should last

[slow juniper]

though it doesn't got much against it

Plus the paths aren't forgiving

not much to work with

[rich kettle]

pure luck of the draw

[slow juniper]

yeah

hoping its in our hands today

Got pelipper

[rich kettle]

nice

[slow juniper]

gonna see how long it goes

Question

Does groudon outspeed pelipper?

alright nvm

pel is slower

but you gotta go into the battle with all four hearts

[rich kettle]

a tall order

[slow juniper]

Mb about that

[slow juniper]

Update, not a good shiny in my eyes, shiny hitmonlee

[slow juniper]

GUYS I NEED YOUR HELP

GOT 2 SHINIES IN ONE GO IN THE SELECTION MENU

CHANSEY OR MANTINE?????

[meager stirrup]

UHH

[slow juniper]

DAWG I WANT BOTH

[meager stirrup]

ID SAY MANTINE

[slow juniper]

I DON"T WANNA DROP CHANSEY

[strange solstice]

ayo how do you even get 2 shinies

[meager stirrup]

OKII UR PICK ANYWAYS

[slow juniper]

guts are going with the sting ray

I'm sorry chansey

[meager stirrup]

Rip chansey

[slow juniper]

Never gonna have that type of luck again

[meager stirrup]

I'd say mantine looks better anyways

Chasey has an okay one but Blissey isn't so good

[slow juniper]

Doesn't blissey become pale?

[meager stirrup]

Yeah I think

Wait

I think I'm getting mixed up with Cleffa line

[slow juniper]

no

They got green ear

[meager stirrup]

With the black changing to green

[slow juniper]

yeah

[meager stirrup]

Yeah I thought it was like that lol

Then shiny Blissey isn't too bad

[rich kettle]

blissey shiny sucks

[meager stirrup]

But I like Mantine too

[slow juniper]

hard choices smh

[meager stirrup]

Better than the shade difference

[rich kettle]

Chansey is that sickly green, but blissey is just pale

but Chansey is really good in tera raids in Scarlet and Violet

[meager stirrup]

Why would they made Chansey green but the rest get a different shade of pink/purple

[slow juniper]

only chansey gets the love

the other two got screwed over

[rich kettle]

because Chansey is the og

[slow juniper]

its apart of the gen 1 green team

[rich kettle]

if I had to pick, I'd pick Chansey over mantine

but I already have 2 shiny Chanseys so really I'd pick mantine

[slow juniper]

that's what i did

[rich kettle]

I saw a clip on the SwSh reddit of someone who got 3 shinies in one go of a dynamax adventure, but still not the legendary

[slow juniper]

how does one achieve that?

[meager stirrup]

Dang

Sad to pick 1

[slow juniper]

it really is

[meager stirrup]

Unless it's an obvious choice

Like the other 2 suck

[slow juniper]

Well, it happens

rarely

[meager stirrup]

Fr

[slow juniper]

hope I don't have to do that again

shinies going band for band

color for color

[meager stirrup]

Yeah

[slow juniper]

and the run after chansey comes back

[slow juniper]

guys

shiny red striped basculin

I just getting water types today ngl

[rich kettle]

shame it can't do anything like white stripe basculin

[slow juniper]

yeah

wished they done something with the two earlier than later

but you gotta admit, shiny basculegion is fire

[rich kettle]

both of them are

actually looking at them only the male one is fire

the female one is eh

[slow juniper]

cuz it has the color of a banana?

[rich kettle]

yeah

[slow juniper]

fair

[rich kettle]

female > male for non shiny, but male > female for shiny

[slow juniper]

I agree on that

they gave male a mustache lol

[rich kettle]

the male seems better in battle tho

hard to deny swift swim choice band wave crash

[meager stirrup]

Yeah I also agree with that

I like the white on the female

[slow juniper]

matches the hisuian basculin

[slow juniper]

My opinion, I missed agile/strong style

[rich kettle]

eh

they were interesting but I found them mostly clunky

getting hit 3 times in a row on a switch in was very annoying

[slow juniper]

it is but strong styles give more a little more oomph which I liked

[rich kettle]

true

it was good in a pinch

how many times did it take y'all to defeat Volo and Giratina

[meager stirrup]

I haven't fought them yet lol

[slow juniper]

On my very first time, around 10 times

[rich kettle]

I did it first try but mainly because I had gardevoir with moon blast, weavile with night slash, and typhlosion with shadow ball so Giratina got melted

[slow juniper]

I had huisan avalugg on my team

didn't know grits had existed at all

[rich kettle]

I played it late so I had it all spoiled for me lol

[slow juniper]

lucky

I went into it blind

palkia didn't live long enough to giratina

[slow juniper]

wya on pla

[meager stirrup]

I think I just got Sneasler

[slow juniper]

Damn you're far from finished

[meager stirrup]

Lol

[slow juniper]

I don't know if I should go for gira or groud

[meager stirrup]

I think Gira has the better shiny so I'd do it firxt

But you can pick Groudon if u want 2

[slow juniper]

idk

they both hard

espically gira

doesn't go down with a -6 sp def double powered hex, with 6+ nasty plot mind you

[meager stirrup]

Oh

Yeah then I'd do Giratina

I like the blue

[slow juniper]

Bet

thank you for the advice

Oh and one more thing before I go

I know I've asked a ton, but when we all have a time in our schedule, may we do kyogre?

[meager stirrup]

Yeah, I've been kinda busy for the few days srry for not saying, but I'd be down to tonight

[slow juniper]

Yeah?

[meager stirrup]

We can do some tonight yea

[slow juniper]

alright

we doing 2p or more?

[meager stirrup]

I'm not sure if moon wants to do some, but if we can't find anyone else we can just do 2p, unless u wanna look for more ppl

[slow juniper]

i'm fine dealing with some bots if that's the case

[meager stirrup]

Alr we'll do that then if moon doesn't wanna join

[slow juniper]

bet

just give me the cue when you wanna start

doing somethin with a friend rn so can't exactly do it now

but will notify you when im gtg

[meager stirrup]

I'm just doing clay so we can start when u come back

[slow juniper]

Clay art or modelling?

[meager stirrup]

Clay art

[slow juniper]

alright

[slow juniper]

Ready to go

@meager stirrup

[slow juniper]

Ah,nvm

night fennec

[meager stirrup]

Srry, I'm not sure why it didn't notify me earlier

Gn

[slow juniper]

Wsg people, hope ya'll are having a good day so far

[meager stirrup]

Hihi, I'm doing good so far, what about u?

[slow juniper]

Recieved news from someone that wasn't good

so could be better start today

But that won't stop me from shiny hunting!

[meager stirrup]

Oh I'm sorry for them

Yeah! I'm gonna try to get some Kyogre runs in

[slow juniper]

If you got the time later or today, we can run some, i'm down to

[meager stirrup]

Yeah, cool! I'll lyk later today

[slow juniper]

bet

have fun fighting the whale!

[meager stirrup]

Thxs have fun hunting Giratina and groudon

[slow juniper]

thanks

[slow juniper]

Update, shiny jolteon

[rich kettle]

nice!

I got one during the tornadus hunts

I'm down to just glaceon and flareon for the shiny eevees I'm missing

[slow juniper]

that's it? damn

you've done a ton the almost get everyone yeah?

well I mean umbreon and syleon through friend ship at least, but the others through dyna?

[rich kettle]

only Jolteon came from dynamax raid

the rest come from Scarlet and Violet, with Vaporeon coming from a Vaporeon outbreak, Espeon and Leafeon coming from a special event outbreak, and Umbreon and Sylveon, my first two, coming from a normal Eevee outbreak

[slow juniper]

lucky

could never get a shiny eevee lol

but hey! you almost got them all

[rich kettle]

Eevee outbreaks are a pain

they're so rare

and when they do pop up, they're close to cities and other normal types that makes the sandwich hunting annoying

I see outbreaks for Vaporeon and Glaceon all the time, but almost never for the others

[slow juniper]

I got saw one for jolteon

and never acknowledged it

[rich kettle]

it's cause Jolteon's shiny is cursed by gen 1 green

I'd feel the same way if I saw a Hitmonlee outbreak

[slow juniper]

the one exception for the gen 1 curse is chansey

by a lttle bit

[rich kettle]

nah I don't think it passes

especially in Scarlet and Violet

[slow juniper]

onix??

[rich kettle]

it would have to be Golbat, vileplume, or tangela

[slow juniper]

golbat?

really?

how?

Vileplume and tang I get but

[rich kettle]

I like shiny golbat

[slow juniper]

fair then

sorry for judging

[rich kettle]

it's fine lol

I am not a huge fan of shiny crobat tho

the pink is good but the green with it? ugh

[slow juniper]

crobat thankfully picks up the slack

[rich kettle]

my first ever champion team had crobat on it, he died so many times 😭

[slow juniper]

Mainly cuz of its speed and haze?

[rich kettle]

I didn't even know what haze was on my first team lol

I just liked bats so it was on my team the whole game

[slow juniper]

I had I think greninja on my team when I did play randomly

same case as you

died some many times

[rich kettle]

my first game was emerald back in 2021 (it was banned in my house when I was a kid and I only picked it up on an emulator later) and I had an over leveled gardevoir, sceptile, crobat, ninetales, Raichu, and walrein

[slow juniper]

That has a ton of variety types

but how do you over level a mon?

[slow juniper]

how do you get the emulators? Been wanting to play emerald for a hot second now

[meager stirrup]

Oo cool Jolteon

[slow juniper]

thanks

Fennec do you still wanna hunt today or nah?

[meager stirrup]

Yeah I'm down to I need to leave at 7 though so I wasn't sure if u wanted to do it until after I came back

[rich kettle]

it's not illegal to download an emulator program so I just found one online and used that

[meager stirrup]

Yeah I have the one for Sun and Moon

[rich kettle]

I over leveled my gardevoir because I thought it was amazingly strong so I gave another pokemon the exp share and just grinded with gardevoir in the victory road cave so that my party was strong enough for it, but by the time everyone was strong enough she was a good 10-15 levels higher than anyone else

I could never get a 3ds emulator to work so I still haven't played gens 6 or 7 lol

[slow juniper]

I'll wait till after

[slow juniper]

How is it?

[slow juniper]

That easy?

thought people asked other people to then play

[rich kettle]

it's technically illegal to download roms online and play them on emulators but it's impossible to police so they just punish the websites that host the roms instead, so there's no issue downloading the roms either

I can look and see what emulators I had downloaded on my PC and find the website I used if you want

[slow juniper]

If you could, please!

[rich kettle]

so for Gameboy Advanced games (RSE, FrLg) I use Visualboy Advance

[slow juniper]

Bet

thank you

coming in clutch

[rich kettle]

and for DS games (DPP, BW, B2W2) I use DeSmuME

and I get the roms from emulatorgames . net

[slow juniper]

bouta have some fun with older games

tysm Moon🙏

[rich kettle]

np!

[slow juniper]

@meager stirrup Im on rn so if you wanna get things start lmk

[meager stirrup]

@slow juniper I just got home rn, would you like to start?

[slow juniper]

sure just give me a sec doing a raid

Dawg what is azelf tryna pull off

facade azelf wtf

we doing code?

[meager stirrup]

Yeah

[slow juniper]

Wait

I can't find my kyogre note

DAWG I THINK I REPLACED IT WITH GIRA

[meager stirrup]

I have the note for it so it's okay

[slow juniper]

k

thank you

[meager stirrup]

Ya np, it's up now

[slow juniper]

same one?

[meager stirrup]

Yeah same one

[slow juniper]

Wanna change the title lol

[meager stirrup]

Yeah lol

Also just realized colossal is a fire type

[slow juniper]

There's only 1 grass type

bug type gonna be your savior

[meager stirrup]

Shiny Hunting Kyogre

[slow juniper]

Npc actually doing its job finally

[meager stirrup]

Fr

[slow juniper]

should go down

yep

made an investment into 300 premiere balls lol

[meager stirrup]

Danggg

I need more I just need more money lol

[slow juniper]

psychic type

[meager stirrup]

Oh whoops

[slow juniper]

should I gamble it?

[meager stirrup]

Sure

[slow juniper]

scientist the biggest hater too

gonna let the npcs fight for the mon

You wanna switch?

[meager stirrup]

Yeah I'll switch

[slow juniper]

k

forgot about rain boosting water moves

Sorry I threw

[meager stirrup]

It's good

[slow juniper]

its up

I thought the npcs were cooking, until the togetic messed it all up

[meager stirrup]

Lol fr

Stunktank needs to be swapped later lol

Cause the dual type

[slow juniper]

there are no grass types are you fr

[meager stirrup]

Oof, no electric?

[slow juniper]

tbh no clue

I think it was on the other path

that's my guess

[meager stirrup]

Rip

[slow juniper]

It would've burned us all

had it not been for blaze

togedemaru?

[meager stirrup]

All of us with the burn

[slow juniper]

you got this

[meager stirrup]

Oh niceee

[slow juniper]

they 4x weak to you, I'm 4x weak to them

[meager stirrup]

Nice and easy yippee

[slow juniper]

You can take them

[meager stirrup]

Thxs

[slow juniper]

I can one more round with auror

got the boost thankfully

gonna switch for the resistance

even though I can't do much

[meager stirrup]

Should be pretty easy with dyna

Since nuzzle is only useful for paralysis and electro web doesn't do enough damage

[slow juniper]

maybe go for the max nuzzles since it really isn't defensive

[meager stirrup]

Dawg 😭

[slow juniper]

shiny hunting this mf gonna be fun

not in a good way though

[meager stirrup]

Yeah, it's too bulky

[slow juniper]

surf really is like that

I think we need more people

[meager stirrup]

Oo the sealeo was shiny

[slow juniper]

eeeeeyyyy

[meager stirrup]

Yeah we'll need some more

Not the pink shiny I'm hunting, but I'll gladly take it

[slow juniper]

wanna run it still or wait for people?

[meager stirrup]

I think we should look for some more ppl

[slow juniper]

alright

make the post say (open) or somethin? just a thought

[meager stirrup]

Shiny Hunting Kyogre (OPEN)

[slow juniper]

Bet

so we gonna wait until two more people or just 1 more

[meager stirrup]

Maybe 2? I'll tag moon to see if she'd like to join first

[slow juniper]

k

[meager stirrup]

@rich kettle Would you like to hunt Kyogre with us? Or u wanna focus on Lunala only?

[slow juniper]

Now we wait

[meager stirrup]

Lol fr

[slow juniper]

Want me to go and ask others for their help?

[meager stirrup]

Yeah, pls

[slow juniper]

hol up

got one

but they currently helping someone rn

[meager stirrup]

Nice

Ah okay

I'll see what I can do rq

[slow juniper]

bet

[leaden ether]

hello

[slow juniper]

Yo

[leaden ether]

do we have a path?

[slow juniper]

A path?

[leaden ether]

oop

[leaden ether]

ill take that as a no

but you know what you do with zygarde to get easy wins

[slow juniper]

spam wide guard?

[leaden ether]

[meager stirrup]

No, we don't have a specific path for it

[leaden ether]

ok

[meager stirrup]

Kinda just depends on luck most of the time

Worked for Lunala

But Kyogre is worse to do sooo

[leaden ether]

who hosting?

[slow juniper]

Fennec

[leaden ether]

mk

what the code and let me know when to start

[slow juniper]

code is 4545 8989

[meager stirrup]

Alright it's up

My ign is ★Misty★

[slow juniper]

ign is no rizz

[leaden ether]

i think yall know what mine is

[meager stirrup]

Lol yeah

[leaden ether]

take octo

[slow juniper]

yeah

[leaden ether]

bruh 2 wide guarders

[slow juniper]

flying?

[leaden ether]

fly grass electric i say

[meager stirrup]

Kk

[slow juniper]

forgot he had tech

[leaden ether]

what i say we do when we get to kyogre is i spam wideguard raichu spam maxlighting/ what the other move is and octo spams acid spray and we hope the hitmonlee takes something else

[slow juniper]

sounds good

[meager stirrup]

Alright

[leaden ether]

also here octo acid spray

[slow juniper]

ik

dyna or pass it on?

[leaden ether]

pass on it

[slow juniper]

manetric

pretty sure

There goes the plan

[leaden ether]

i still have wide guard right

[slow juniper]

yeah

[leaden ether]

i guess the raichu powers up the manectric

[meager stirrup]

Bruh

[leaden ether]

it also cant use half of its moves now

[slow juniper]

terrain

[meager stirrup]

I clicked too fast

[leaden ether]

i take out 2 and so does the manectric

[slow juniper]

then we gotta hope mane sweeps

[leaden ether]

it will trust i did a strat before using it and it murks kyogre

[slow juniper]

i think it clears stat drops

nvm

[leaden ether]

good luck

[meager stirrup]

Gl

[slow juniper]

Good luck ya'll!

[leaden ether]

also i say we keep this path unless pancake gets a shiny

[slow juniper]

how do we keep the path?

reset?

[leaden ether]

yeah

i got nothing

[slow juniper]

nothin

[meager stirrup]

Same

[leaden ether]

its a good path

[meager stirrup]

Yeah

Alr it's up

[slow juniper]

better rng this time

[meager stirrup]

I misclicked again...

[slow juniper]

all good

it'll prolly be knocked out soon enough

[meager stirrup]

True

LOL

[slow juniper]

told you

alright good luck ya'll

[leaden ether]

good luck

[meager stirrup]

Gllll

Highlighter whale

[slow juniper]

nothiiinnn

[leaden ether]

nope

[meager stirrup]

Same

[leaden ether]

i have time for 1 more

[slow juniper]

alright

[meager stirrup]

Alr

Ok it's up

[slow juniper]

FENNEC

[meager stirrup]

SHIT

[slow juniper]

LMAO

reset?

[leaden ether]

its fine i can fanegle

go same path just switch when we get to manectric

[meager stirrup]

Alr

[slow juniper]

bet

[meager stirrup]

My bad guys lol

[leaden ether]

its fine

[slow juniper]

its alr

got me laughin a little lol

[meager stirrup]

I saw the yellow on sandslash and my brain thought it was raichu lol

[slow juniper]

They both got brown and yellow to be fair

[meager stirrup]

Yeah

[slow juniper]

all yours fennec

Good luck ya'll

[leaden ether]

good luck

[slow juniper]

nothin

[leaden ether]

nope

i gtg i see yall tomorrow

[slow juniper]

See you arch, thank you for the help

[meager stirrup]

Nothing either

[slow juniper]

we got tmr

for me at least

[leaden ether]

im here tomorrow

[meager stirrup]

Yeah same

[slow juniper]

then we'll have no problems then

[meager stirrup]

Cya tmr thxs for the help as always

[slow juniper]

Np, cya tmr fennec, have a good rest of ya night

[meager stirrup]

You too

[rich kettle]

FIRST RUN OF THE DAY AND ITS A RED BAT

[meager stirrup]

YAY CONGRATS

[slow juniper]

CONGRATS MOOOON RAAAHHHH

also wsg people, hope ya'll are doin well

[rich kettle]

had a banging omelette for breakfast and a shiny bat very quickly, so I'm doing pretty well

tyty

[slow juniper]

that's good to nice

must've been a lucky omelette then lol

[rich kettle]

must've

[slow juniper]

Well congrats on the red bat Moon

and you too Fennec

ya'll deserve it

[cosmic yoke]

Still open?

[meager stirrup]

Thxs

[meager stirrup]

Yeah, this is still open!

[cosmic yoke]

Shweet

[slow juniper]

Well, hope to see ya'll in the future, later guys💯

[meager stirrup]

Yeah for sure

[meager stirrup]

We're doing Kyogre runs later today so I'll lyk when

[cosmic yoke]

Awesome, I’ll be active most of the day

[night scarab]

Hey anyone here

[meager stirrup]

Hey, yeah we're here

[leaden ether]

im here

[meager stirrup]

@slow juniper Did you want to do some runs today?

Cause I think we have too many ppl lol

[night scarab]

Can h join

[leaden ether]

you still here

[night scarab]

There offline so I’m assuming no

[night scarab]

Do you have the path saved now?

Hey there

[meager stirrup]

Yeah i have a path saved

[night scarab]

Can I do a raid with you

I just need the path really

[meager stirrup]

Ah okay sure

[night scarab]

When do you want to do it

[meager stirrup]

@leaden ether Do you wanna join

We can do it rn if ur good to

[night scarab]

Yes

Opening it now

Let me know a code I’ll be waiting

[meager stirrup]

Code is 4545 8989 when searching

[night scarab]

Searching

Let’s do this

[meager stirrup]

Pick mienshao or octillery

[night scarab]

Kyorge is weak to grass and electric I recall

[meager stirrup]

Yup

Flying

[night scarab]

Yup

Grade and electric on that side

[meager stirrup]

Then grass then electric

[night scarab]

Yep

[meager stirrup]

We keep the octillery for wide guard on kyogre

And let one one of the npc take manectric

[night scarab]

Octillety dose not have wide guard

[meager stirrup]

Oh okay

[night scarab]

Minshaeo dose

[meager stirrup]

Nvm cause mienshao gone

[night scarab]

Yes

I’ll Manectric and npc can take this

This is much easier then trying to get Zygarde lol

[meager stirrup]

Yeah lol, Zygarde is so annoying to do

[meager stirrup]

Oo n8ce

[night scarab]

Luckily yesterday I go it

[meager stirrup]

Nice*

[night scarab]

Got*

Why are you switching?

[meager stirrup]

Shoot

My bad rip

[night scarab]

You take Manectric lol

We don’t want a rock type in the end

Damn a burn again

I’m on fire

[meager stirrup]

Nice

[night scarab]

Marctrues and Manectric duo is a little op

[meager stirrup]

Yeah

[night scarab]

Thanks

[meager stirrup]

Yea np, thxs for joining

[night scarab]

Any shinys?

[meager stirrup]

None here

[night scarab]

Damn me to

[leaden ether]

im backl

yall still doing it?

[meager stirrup]

Yeah I am, but Luiby just wanted the note

[leaden ether]

ok

[meager stirrup]

@cosmic yoke You wanna start now?

[leaden ether]

i was taking a show btw

[meager stirrup]

Alr np

[leaden ether]

@ me when we get a third member @meager stirrup

[meager stirrup]

Alr, I'm just waiting for one of them to respond

[cosmic yoke]

Hey sorry was busy, Free now if there’s space?

[meager stirrup]

No worries! @leaden ether We're all good to go now!