pogo_discussion

[solar mason]

like youll get rhyhorns tomorrow also

until 10pm

[stark narwhal]

To me it was heavy on the today ones, only a few of the tomorrow ones

[solar mason]

then its all about shiny celebi

[stark narwhal]

Like crazy heavy

[solar mason]

i saw everyone from tomorrow but only like 2 of each

[surreal violet]

How do you get Froslass in pogo?

Only got Glalie so far

[solar mason]

sinnoh stone

evolve

[surreal violet]

Oooh okay thanks :)

[stark narwhal]

female snorunt with 100 candies and a sinnoh stone

[surreal violet]

Haven't hunted snorunts

[stark narwhal]

I'm excited to hunt cubchoo soon.

I forget when that is though.

oh its during that crap mr mime thing

I wish I had been playing last year when I went to canada

Could have snagged a pachirisu or two.

[feral nova]

I can't decide if I should evolve the 92% ultra league swamper or the one I have that can fit I to GBL

[surreal violet]

Well GBL is ending soon so I'd go with UL

[feral nova]

O crap I don't even think I'll get enough candy to do it :(

[stark narwhal]

I just got my 4th win in GBL! RARE CANDY WOO

[surreal violet]

Noice

What rank you at?

[stark narwhal]

1

[surreal violet]

You gonna do the whole PvP season or try to get a certain rank then stop?

Rank 19 gives an elite TM

[stark narwhal]

I just want rare candies and the pokemon encounters if they are good enough.

[surreal violet]

Rare candies best reward

Tryna max my Mewtwo atm

So pricey

[stark narwhal]

What's the difference between basic and premium rewards? is there a higher rank involved or something?

[surreal violet]

I think better rewards

[stark narwhal]

Okay so the trainers aren't necessarily harder then

[surreal violet]

For example at rank 15 I think you got two rare candies for one round of wins

While normal was 1

[stark narwhal]

If this says anything, I've had 21 battles and only one 9

[surreal violet]

Depends on what trainers are using their premium battle passes

[stark narwhal]

That person I just played was rank 4 so I may have been lucky

[surreal violet]

Totally random

[stark narwhal]

I used a Venomoth, Infernape, and Perserrker

[surreal violet]

I mean I've been beaten by lower level peeps so could be they started their sets a bit later since time zones and all

Never seen those mons used before

I keep seeing the meta ones like Azumaril, Skarmory and Venu

[stark narwhal]

They had Tauros, Mew, and gosh i can't remember who came out second

[haughty saddle]

I've been using Whiscash, Bastiodon, and Altaria in Great League

Whiscash does a pretty good job anywhere, Bastiodon is a great safe switch, and Altaria is just a cutie

Last season I was on the Azumarill, Umbreon, Obama plan.

[surreal violet]

Mew's pretty s*** tbh

Yeh Whiscash and Altaria are great

[haughty saddle]

The main problem is that you can't really predict Mew's moveset.

There are soooo many moves

Mew is ranked 49 in Great League, so it's doing something right.

[stark narwhal]

I just got my ass handed to me by a dragonite. I just want one win for the pokmeon encounter. Could be something I need 😦

[surreal violet]

This happened to me yday and I won somehow lol. Reminds me of that Spider-Man meme

With a lot of Pokémon can't predict the moves if they have a range of movesets to choose from. Easier if they're limited to a few.

[stark narwhal]

What's the best charged move for whiscash

This sucks, back to just pve stuff

Too stressful and random

[haughty saddle]

Whiscash is great. I use Mud Shot for fast, and Mud Bomb / Blizzard for charged.

Mud Bomb fills up REAL quick

[surreal violet]

That's what I have on mine

Haven't used Whiscash yet gonna test it out tomorrow

[haughty saddle]

Bastiodon is a BEAST.

It can tank pretty much anything but Ground Moves.

[stark narwhal]

I have one of those

[surreal violet]

I use my grass against it too

Don't have a Bastiodon yet

[stark narwhal]

It's 3 star but only 653 cp yuck

[surreal violet]

I love it when my Scrafty's acid spray lowers defense

[haughty saddle]

Bastion's ideal IVs are 10/12/15

for Great League

Bastiodon Maxes out at 1539

well

[stark narwhal]

Looks like 15/11/13 for me

[haughty saddle]

that was lvl 40

Yours is 15/11/13?

[stark narwhal]

yeah

[haughty saddle]

Still in the top 200 of Bastiodons

💪

[stark narwhal]

but that CP is yucky lol

[haughty saddle]

CP will end up around 1498 at level 39

[stark narwhal]

My PokeGenie says it has poor PVP IVs...It's actually 15/11/14

[surreal violet]

Would a 2/14/15 Haunter be viable for any leagues?

[haughty saddle]

Poor is relative.

[stark narwhal]

Everything is so confusing

[haughty saddle]

@surreal violet That's Rank 6 in Ultra League for Gengar.

very good.

[surreal violet]

I have a 2/15/15 phanpy too

But idk if it's worth investing for pvp

Ooo

Gengar then it'll be

Thanks

[haughty saddle]

Gengar is ranked 40th in Ultra League too

which is very good.

[solar mason]

this is way too confusing for me lol

[haughty saddle]

So there's two things you want to check.

You want to check the League Rank (How well that pokemon is ranked against other pokemon in that league)

And you also want to check the IV Rank (How good your IVs are vs other Gengars)

[stark narwhal]

14/15/4 Abra doesn't look good for Alakazam. It says #3515 ranking in Ultra league

[haughty saddle]

But if you look at Alakazam, it's ranked 218 in Ultra League. Which I wouldn't consider super good.

[stark narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-brain-dead-drool-bored-gif-7233020

[haughty saddle]

Alakazam is ranked 134 in Master League, which is a little better

[stark narwhal]

But he

[haughty saddle]

I made this back when they announced CD2020

the ranks are no longer exactly accurate, but they're close.

[surreal violet]

Swampert shines

[haughty saddle]

So when you're picking pokemon you may want to level up, you want to see what League they're useful in.

Great, Ultra, or Master.

[surreal violet]

Mamoswine damn

[haughty saddle]

If you look at Swampert, it's rank 8, 3, and 19 respectively. Arguably the best pokemon in the entire CD.

Mamoswine is VERY good in Master League, and pretty good in Ultra League.

Master is full of legendary birds and dragons, which are weak to ice.

[stark narwhal]

This bronzong looked good in pokegenie

[haughty saddle]

Mamoswine is the strongest Ice attacker

[surreal violet]

Most ppl from what I've seen don't want electric move on Magmar

[haughty saddle]

PokeGenie will tell you if its IVs are good compared to other Bronzong, but it won't tell you if it's good in that League.

[surreal violet]

Been using this to help

That quality dropped tf

[haughty saddle]

Magmortar DOES want its CD move. Electivire doesn't want his.

[surreal violet]

Oh for PvP yeh

Not for PvE

[haughty saddle]

I've been using this

[surreal violet]

Is grass knot better on sceptile then?

It's what my hundo has

[haughty saddle]

Humus, PVE is basically just looking for 15/15/15 or as close to it as possible, with high level so you don't have to spend as much stardust leveling it up

Which is almost exactly what you're looking for with Master League too.

[surreal violet]

Yeh I know

Gonna wait next year for Charmander

[faint ferry]

4th shiny charmander... lets see if its got better than garbage stats

nope

[haughty saddle]

Man, I really wanted Blast Burn for Charizard this year.

[surreal violet]

You don't want earth power right?

[haughty saddle]

Earth Power on what?

[faint ferry]

i have 19 balls left...

[surreal violet]

Flygon?

[haughty saddle]

Yeah

[surreal violet]

Idk I've seen mixed responses

[haughty saddle]

Mud shot, Dragon Claw, Earth Power

You could do Stone Edge instead

or EQ

[surreal violet]

I have a 15/14/10 and 10/14/15 trapinch so far

Gonna try and see if I can get better ones tomorrow

[charred rapids]

Earth power is better than both those moves though.

[haughty saddle]

Better than what moves?

[charred rapids]

Stone edge and EQ

[haughty saddle]

Oh, yes.

For sure.

But a lot of people missed Flygon Day, so you'll see them with Stone Edge or EQ instead.

[surreal violet]

I have a shadow magikarp that's 15/15/5 viable for ML? It's the best one I could find considering water male grunts are rare to find.

[solar mason]

im salty i evolved my gorvyle last week lol

[surreal violet]

Then wooper took over

[haughty saddle]

15/15/15 is the best IVs you can get.

for ML.

That's insane.

I hope you TM'd it

[surreal violet]

Nooo I got 5 for hp

[haughty saddle]

ohhhh

[surreal violet]

Yeh I TM'd it

Just in case I didn't find a better one

[haughty saddle]

Top 300

of Gyaradoses

[surreal violet]

I found 3 others but were crappy

[haughty saddle]

So when I find a pokemon with IVs that I think "Hm, that might be good,"

[surreal violet]

I'll evolve it then

[haughty saddle]

I usually go to

https://pvpoke.com/rankings/all/1500/overall/

and check that pokemon's rank vs other pokemon in each league

And I also use https://www.stadiumgaming.gg/rank-checker

to check that pokemon's IVs vs other IVs.

I wish they weren't both called rank.

League Rank vs IV Rank? I guess?

[surreal violet]

Oh damn didn't know Melmetal ranked 3rd on ML

[haughty saddle]

Melmetal is a HOUSE

[surreal violet]

Gonna evolve my 95 one when I get more candies

Worth getting a second move on then?

[haughty saddle]

Rank 2 now, I think

I'd say yeah

[surreal violet]

Wish I had groudon. Missed out on quite a few leggies.

[solar mason]

lol i got lucky with kyogre

[surreal violet]

Hope it comes back in rotation next year

[solar mason]

i played randomly one summer

[haughty saddle]

I've only played since Feb (aside from the first two months in 2016, which didn't have legendaries)

[solar mason]

and got the box

[surreal violet]

I've played since May I think. I started in 2016 and dropped it like most ppl after like 6 months and I picked it up again during quarantine.

Definitely has improved over the years

[solar mason]

big time

[surreal violet]

Bruh I forgot what gym defenders were and I thought I could catch it. Also didn't know raids were a thing and used passes on 43000+ mons solo when I had max 2k cp mons. Ah you learn a lot online lol.

Reg passes luckily so I don't feel bad wasting them

[solar mason]

im salty i stopped playing, my college campus has so many gyms

and a whole ass community to meet up and raid together

[stark narwhal]

I played up until like May of 2018 and then picked it pack up in May of this year.

I doubt I'm gonna get the spinda research task 😦

[haughty saddle]

I'm for sure hitting level 40 tomorrow

4,710,532/5,000,000 right now

[solar mason]

ill hit 36 for sure lol

[stark narwhal]

it helped during that time that my place of employment was a pokestop. Good for making sure I never ran out of supplies. I could hit 35. I'm not a huge xp grinder and just let it come to me tbh

I'll probably just pop a lucky egg when I go out as I'm going to be catching a bunch. No reason not to.

[solar mason]

my old dorm was two pokestops

but i didnt play then

[charred rapids]

Hitting level 40? Nice congrats, then the real grind begins

[stark narwhal]

I had just graduated college when the game launched

[solar mason]

you mean pain begins based on what ive seen

[charred rapids]

Made the game challenging at least

[surreal violet]

One of the 40+ level ups is defeating a team leader 50 times in one day

[stark narwhal]

Dear Lord

[surreal violet]

[charred rapids]

It’s not lol

[solar mason]

that wouldnt be very bad either lol

[surreal violet]

I swear it is

[solar mason]

just boring

[surreal violet]

Lemme recheck

[charred rapids]

There isn’t a “in one day” challenge but catch 200 mons in one day.

[surreal violet]

Oh not in one day

[stark narwhal]

I'm not sure if that's tough or not

[surreal violet]

My bad

[solar mason]

its just boring

[surreal violet]

Imagine if it was in one day tho ;.;

[stark narwhal]

I mean the 200 catches in a day

[solar mason]

alot of tapping the screen lol

[surreal violet]

Still loads of rocket radars to collect

[solar mason]

honestly i prob did that today

[charred rapids]

200 catches in one day is done and finished in a couple of hours

[surreal violet]

Win 30 raids using a team of all unique Pokémon species

For level 47

[solar mason]

ew

[surreal violet]

Damn gonna be grinding loads of 1* ones for that one

[charred rapids]

By 47 you should have Pokémon for that

[solar mason]

im hoping if covid dies down, i can get into the raid groups at my school

get some easy levels and mons

[stark narwhal]

What exactly does that mean. your team of 6 is all different?

[surreal violet]

Yeh I guess

[charred rapids]

Yeah it is

[stark narwhal]

I don't think I've ever beaten a raid where i've had two of the same mon. Easy peasy

[charred rapids]

Just raid as you normally do with people and set up a unique team for whatever the raid boss is at the time, by the time I get there should be mewtwo so I’ll just have 2 dark types, 2 bug types and 2 ghost types, donzo.

[stark narwhal]

so it's not necessarily 180 total unique mons used, just 6 different for each raid independent of other raids. There's a big difference between those stipulations lol

[charred rapids]

I mean if it is 180 different Pokémon then geez sucks

Still not crazy difficult, you’d have to make sure to cross them off some list to assure you don’t use it again.

[solar mason]

Lol bruh a random rhyhorn popped up

And it’s shiny

[minor pilot]

Well their spawn rates are crazy even without increased shiny chance I’ve been finding some

[gilded rune]

Sad sad sad sad

[minor pilot]

Awww I love shiny nidoqueen :3

[gilded rune]

Thanks but my account is trash

[minor pilot]

XD

Its not trash

[gilded rune]

Yes it id

[stark narwhal]

3 of the 15 ryhorn i needed for the research were shiny. I found another 6 afterwards. Ryhorn be everywhere

[sturdy kraken]

#2

[analog steeple]

I can’t get my second one

[stark narwhal]

Uh I want one tbh

[gilded rune]

[charred rapids]

Congratulations chili’s is a goat! Your Moltres leveled up to level 40

[gilded rune]

Piplup please shine on me

[stark narwhal]

I used my coins and I'm going back in For chocolate man

It's a good shiny

[gilded rune]

Yes

[stark narwhal]

Hopefully the second raid is a shiny. the Last regi was a nightmare to catch though. I'd be devastated to not catch the shiny version lol

[minor pilot]

Ey

Nice

[haughty saddle]

nice

[minor pilot]

I’m trying to finish the December task already and found that little guy

[analog steeple]

Got a shiny charmander just sitting here that’s cool

[minor pilot]

Nice I didn’t get any

[charred rapids]

Congratulations Crispy_Pop! Your Typhlosion leveled up to level 97

[haughty saddle]

I'd love a shiny Mudkip

[analog steeple]

Same

[minor pilot]

Got some shiny nuts, shiny yellow lemurs, and shiny gas clouds, small chocolate mon, and a yellow noodle with a spike

[stark narwhal]

No shiny on second raid oh well

is the lemur abra?

Is it just me or is Regirock one of the hardest legendaries to catch in a while?

Now I've actually wasted a raid pass and didn't even catch him

Hatched a chimchar out of an egg so now I have shiny Infernape lol

[karmic raven]

I’m kinda jealous ngl

[minor pilot]

Shiny Fish dhdjifc

BUT CP SUCKS

[surreal parrot]

Community Day 1

• 287 catches
• 10 shinies
  I guess that's only a bit lower than the estimated statistical odds, but feels bad man

[minor pilot]

I got a good amount but none got good cp

21 shines for the first day

[stark narwhal]

how do you know how many you caught?

Is there a way to track you many pokemon you catch in a day

[minor pilot]

I think so

[analog steeple]

Y’all looking to raid for choco rocko?

We need one in #784549733690769448

[surreal parrot]

In search type Age0
For those caught today

[minor pilot]

Just type Age0 I’m pretty sure

Yeah

[surreal parrot]

Age1 for those caught yesterday

[stark narwhal]

Well that would work except I transfer immediately after checking IVs. oh well.

[minor pilot]

Are you asking if we have one or are they hosting one

[solar mason]

we have one

[minor pilot]

XD most people

[untold breach]

there's one being hosted yeah

[analog steeple]

We need one person to join

[minor pilot]

Oh sure why not

[surreal parrot]

Can't help you there then

[stark narwhal]

Lol no worries.

[surreal parrot]

I try to only transfer when i'm out of space and ideally if it's a double transfer candy event

[minor pilot]

I’m gonna go to the raid channel to check it out

[stark narwhal]

It's force of habit for me at this point honestly

muscle memory really

[haughty saddle]

Some of my local people collect Level 1 Shinies, so that Magikarp might not be as bad as you think. @minor pilot

[minor pilot]

Why?

[haughty saddle]

why not?

I want to collect 0/0/0 pokemon

[latent tapir]

Did anyone get a shiny piplup today?

[minor pilot]

Cause I wanted a pvp shiny one T-T

[haughty saddle]

what reason is there to collect anything?

haha

[minor pilot]

Yeah

[haughty saddle]

I got 4 shiny piplup

[minor pilot]

Caught 3

Enough for the family line

[latent tapir]

I got every other shiny but piplup rip

[analog steeple]

I only have 4 puplup and like nothing else

[minor pilot]

I didn’t get porygon charmander and a good magikarp

[solar mason]

i want a good magikarp

[analog steeple]

Pory is tomorrow no?

[solar mason]

yes

[minor pilot]

Wait I thought everything was the same tomorrow

Oh boi I dont have space

[minor pilot]

Hopefully I get the coins from gyms tomorrow to upgrade my poke storage

[minor pilot]

Yeah its all of them for both days

[solar mason]

technically yea, but split for the boosted shiny rates

[minor pilot]

Ohhhhhhh

Now I see

I just looked at the top and that’s it XD

[stark narwhal]

It still says spawn rate in general will be higher so I'm expecting a spawn flip from today

[solar mason]

yes thats whats happening

[untold breach]

Yeah it's basically one day is more boosted than the other

[solar mason]

youll maybe see like 9 of what were boosted today during the time

[stark narwhal]

Already a 1/3 of the way there for Porygon

[minor pilot]

Thx sport

[stark narwhal]

I have 2 shiny porgyons from its CD so I'm not worried. Would be nice to get a shiny of all five though. Would feel nice to get a full house.

[untold breach]

I still don't have a shiny porygon

all i've gotten so far today is 2 shiny magmar

[solar mason]

is it sunday for you

[minor pilot]

Any Hundos or shundos today

[untold breach]

yes it's 12:48pm onsunday

[solar mason]

oh you good

plenty of time

[untold breach]

Idk if i'll be able to go outside today but maybe for a bit later

[solar mason]

im gonna do the same i did today

start with a walk at 11, get coffee and sit in my car at the park all day

[latent tapir]

Gl Destiny

[minor pilot]

Gotta love when you take over a gym but a blissely and when they almost beat it you just golden rass it

[stark narwhal]

I'm gonna try to be ready by 11 am tomorrow. Got started at 12. It was gross and rainy all day today, so hopefully the weather is nicer and I walk around at the park and downtown. Instead of wasting gasoline lol

[gilded rune]

👄👄👄

[solar mason]

lol see i want it to rain here

i hate dealing with people at the park

[minor pilot]

My house is perfect for catches but I do have some good places to go

[solar mason]

i feel like people purposely try and walk close to you when you pass eachother now

[minor pilot]

Well those are what we call, dicks.

[solar mason]

agreed

[stark narwhal]

No one around me does that lol. We go to the opposite side of the road lol

[solar mason]

i have some that do that with me, but most of the time its big groups of people taking up the entire walkway

how hard is it to just all go to one side

[minor pilot]

For me everyone is home but the mall is pretty full so you can’t really avoid it much

[solar mason]

i wouldnt be surprised if we go into a lockdown soon

already got a curfew from 10pm to 5am

[minor pilot]

Well America is acting weird so even with the mass outbreaks we were never put into a lockdown

Which sucks for a lot of us

[solar mason]

yeah

north carolina is getting really bad

i could see an announcement of my next semester being completely online pretty soon

[gilded rune]

Oof

[solar mason]

i would honestly die

the last classes i have need to be in person

[minor pilot]

I live in a state where it seems like people aren’t doing things right >_>

[solar mason]

honestly, thats every state

[minor pilot]

True

[charred rapids]

Congratulations Crispy_Pop! Your Typhlosion leveled up to level 98

[solar mason]

what sucks even more is places that are doing well, get cocky and throw parties and parades to like show off how good they are, and then they get cases again

[minor pilot]

Yeah which is disturbing when you hear one next door or in your neighborhood

[solar mason]

lol i mean like other countries

the us never stopped throwing parties

but whatevs

[minor pilot]

XD

[solar mason]

im just gonna keep on catching mons

[minor pilot]

Yeah this got sad quick

[solar mason]

maybe buy a hazmat suit to wear at my park

[minor pilot]

Ill probably buy nothing and just stay home cause I don’t feel like getting sick

[solar mason]

ive been back with my parents these past 9 months

im really starting to go insane, so regardless of what happens im moving back to campus

even if its online, and honestly that area is better about safety so ill feel better going out there

[minor pilot]

Gl man

[solar mason]

[minor pilot]

My time has been spent home all day and school

Nothing much to do that is why I got into Pokémon go again

[solar mason]

i feel that, only thing i do is go to get coffee each day and play pogo

i also got more pogo stops and gyms at my school

[minor pilot]

Well there is a plus for you

I got a few stops here but not so majestic

Got gyms but there in a mall

[solar mason]

oof

[minor pilot]

Yeah

[solar mason]

like i said, buy a hazmat suit

and like carry a spray bottle of lysol in the other hand

or a weapon

either works

[minor pilot]

Or pepper spray for the Karens and Chads without mask

[solar mason]

lol

[minor pilot]

XD

Well cya man gonna go shiny check and probably get ready to sleep

[analog steeple]

I think we need 2 for choco rock if anyone is around?

Pietro is hosting

In #784549733690769448

[solar mason]

jesus you could fill those two spots

[feral nova]

i can hop in

[paper reef]

I’m back home now. I’m ready to crash and sleep for 10 hours

I didn’t my shiny piplup today sadly

[feral nova]

if anyone has mudkips around, please ping me

[paper reef]

I’m so tired I’m half awAke

[analog steeple]

Same with Marowak

[solar mason]

lol i feel that

[analog steeple]

Been wanting it forever

[solar mason]

200k away from 36

so i should get that tomorrow

[stark narwhal]

If I knew Mudkip was increased shiny I would have ran it today

It was at my second closest gym at like 12:15 today

[solar mason]

i wasted my egg hatching during my walk

i thought it was 5km not 2

[uncut trail]

5 minutes into day 2 and shiny already

[solar mason]

[uncut trail]

and 3 shinies in 7 minutes

[solemn salmon]

Which

[hardy carbon]

I managed to get a shiny Seedot outside my job today.

[untold breach]

still no shiny porygon

[haughty saddle]

still no shiny seedot

[plain grove]

the last hour of CD1 I got 7 more shinies, including 3 Piplups 🙂 No shiny Regi though

[analog steeple]

It’s funny cause I’d never want seedot

But here I am annoyed I don’t have one

[plain grove]

Hahaha

[untold breach]

completitionist mindset

[plain grove]

Red seed is pretty neat

[charred rapids]

Depends on the seed

[untold breach]

shiny karp

but only 33cp

[gilded rune]

@haughty saddle how do u not have shiny seedot lol

[haughty saddle]

ITS NOT FOR LACK OF TRYING OKAY

I've caught 450

[untold breach]

TRY HARDER SHARK

[stark narwhal]

I did two regi raids and only caught one of them. I suppose it's fortunate the one that got away was not shiny. Its a good shiny

[analog steeple]

Get good shark

[solar mason]

dont worry if its shiny it instant catches

[sturdy kraken]

Community day 1 was great for me

[stark narwhal]

Really?

[solar mason]

yes

[stark narwhal]

That's actually really cool

[solar mason]

yeah

thats why i think shiny hunting legendaries is so easy

[sturdy kraken]

And yeah, in raids, shiny are guaranteed... almost

[solar mason]

plus the odds are easy

[sturdy kraken]

You still need to hit the bastard

[stark narwhal]

0 for 2

[solar mason]

lol

imagine missing the shiny with all the balls

[stark narwhal]

Idk if I want to try again...

[solar mason]

thats not alot

[sturdy kraken]

If that happens to you, you need to put the phone down and go back inside

[solar mason]

delete account

[stark narwhal]

When is the winter load screen gonna show up lol

[sturdy kraken]

One day

The same day my damn zarude code appears

[stark narwhal]

the day before spring haha

[solar mason]

you havent gotten the zarude yet?

[sturdy kraken]

Nope

[solar mason]

i had to search for nintendo in my email

[sturdy kraken]

Might has to email tech support

[solar mason]

it was the only way i could find it

it was weird, wasnt in spam or anywhere else

but when i searched nintendo it was the second email from them lol

[sturdy kraken]

Nope

[solar mason]

dang

yeah i guess hit up tech support

[sturdy kraken]

Hmm

Or,...... I may know where it is

Nope

[solar mason]

yeah hit up them dms

of the tech support lol

[analog steeple]

Anyone wanna hunt some regi? I’m hosting and need 1 more

[solar mason]

yo metaljesus

we need one higher level, if youre interested

[analog steeple]

Isn’t he asleep rn?

[solar mason]

thats why im not @ing him lol

[analog steeple]

Lol

[solar mason]

just incase

i think i can get a level 40

ill see if he wants to join

[charred rapids]

Oh well

Asleep nah sorry fellas I have been busy though, you could @ me I still probably wouldn’t get the notif

[solar mason]

you good

[solar mason]

im gonna keep this 12 cp to put in gyms and troll my team

because they never help with gyms

[untold breach]

I was gonna make a joke about it only being mid afternoon, before realising that actually I was a dumbass that was asleep mid-afternoon

[solar mason]

the diversity of discord servers can be confusing lol

[charred rapids]

I’m at that point in life where naps in the mid afternoon feel better than anything

[untold breach]

That's a fucking mood

The general heat doesn't help at all either honestly

[steady acorn]

phew i got a shiny magmar in the last 5 mins

last com day shiny i needed

[untold breach]

noice

grats

[steady acorn]

yeah

got another 4 shiny karp

[solemn salmon]

Capz

[steady acorn]

3 shiny pory
1 shiny charmander

hiya alex

[solemn salmon]

im just focused on pory and charmanders

karps too

[steady acorn]

i got 28 shiny charmander from octo

and 44 shiny karp in com day

[solemn salmon]

i have enough magmars and electabuzz in home and go lol

since i missed those days

im just focused on those 3

[steady acorn]

noice

[solemn salmon]

also want a choco rock

until today my mons came back

any luck on eggs capz

[steady acorn]

nop

they all sucked

actually i got a 98% treecko from 2k

and i finally got my haxorus

[solemn salmon]

Nice

i had to go out to hatch 3 7km eggs i had laying there

[steady acorn]

was mainly focusing in this @solemn salmon

[solemn salmon]

NICE

[steady acorn]

i grinded about 70 rare candies just for another move and power up to 1000CP

[solemn salmon]

Imagine they give u battle bond

[steady acorn]

they better

[solemn salmon]

Im scared they add vivillions

i cant force myself to do that again

[steady acorn]

screw that

[solemn salmon]

im missing 2 only capz

[steady acorn]

i have that pokeball event vivilion

[solemn salmon]

me too

im missing savannah and sandstorm

[steady acorn]

ah

i cant remember what they look like

[solemn salmon]

its ok

i just saw i have 300 karp candies

[steady acorn]

too many to fking remember

[solemn salmon]

i hope i get a shundo karp

ill try to sleep its 4 am for me lol

cya capz nice talking to you

[steady acorn]

cya alex

[faint ferry]

7 shiny charmanders...

all crap IVs lmao

[surreal parrot]

Oh boi, when you realise you've messed up the research and are short of the Day 1 spawns so you'll never be able to finish it reasonably

[fossil nymph]

What are the boosted encounters today?

[twilit sapphire]

It's literally on the pins

[fossil nymph]

Oh wow im dumb

[uncut trail]

i bop aimee

[crisp relic]

[surreal violet]

I found a 0/14/15 magikarp for UL

probs the best I'll find

[fossil nymph]

I dont think ima have a incense today shoot

[surreal violet]

I haven't used incense at all cos ppl be having lure parties in London

[dense fjord]

Max gyarados

Without XL candy

[faint ferry]

its gonna take me all week to reroll all my shiny charmanders... if i can even scrape together the dust for it

[formal stratus]

@faint ferry u have a good iv shiney u wanna trade?🙃

[faint ferry]

IVs are rerolled on trade

all the ones i havent traded yet are terrible IVs though, which is why im trading them

but can only do 1 per day cause of the dumb limits

[formal stratus]

Ahh ok really want a good iv shiney but the ones I get are dogshit

[faint ferry]

i swear shinies roll with worse stats than average

[formal stratus]

Yea fr don’t think I got a good iv so far for a shiney

Btw how do u get 2 attacks for a pokemon?

[faint ferry]

already sent 2 charmanders to home, my alt has another magmar, electivire, and porygon yet to reroll

[formal stratus]

Ah that one is decent

[faint ferry]

all except the pikachua caught in the event

and idk how to get second attack yet, gotta look into it

[formal stratus]

You reroll with trading right?

[faint ferry]

yeah, i trade with my alt

i hit the trade limit of 100 yesterday lmao

and still had a full box

[stark narwhal]

I’m gonna have to knock my magnezone out of a gym with my alt. Poor guys been there for 22 hours

[timber dew]

Last chance to evolve for special attacks is 10 pm local time right? And not when the main event end at 5 right?

[formal stratus]

Lesgooo

[still pollen]

How do you get Mewtwo?🧐

[surreal violet]

From Giovanni

You need the inter-egg-sting event

then get a super rocket radar and find him

Mewtwo normal is returning to raids next year anyways but shadow is OP

[still pollen]

Ahh. I see thank you.

[paper reef]

Grats on the Mewtwo

I’m actually on the part of the quest to beat all 3 leaders for Giovanni’s scanner

[bright canyon]

what's the reward for this event, I was stuck on 3 gastly's I couldn't find

[faint ferry]

you get elite charged and fast TMs from the quest as well as some other stuff

[bright canyon]

no pokemon?

[faint ferry]

you can still complete the quest whenever, its just the spawn rates that go away

this has all the tasks and rewards listed https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/kbbeug/pokemon_go_december_community_day_2020_special/

[bright canyon]

oh nice, thanks!

[faint ferry]

nice

bet itll be shit stats

[paper reef]

Just beat Arlo

[bright canyon]

still hunting for that shiny pory

[paper reef]

It’s only 8:22am so shinies aren’t out yet for me until 11am

[faint ferry]

events over for me

[paper reef]

Sad

[faint ferry]

i did get 14 shinies though... at least one of everything but ghastly and piplup

[sturdy kraken]

Welp

I’m abusing an egg and excellents for EXP

[snow venture]

Legit woke up to this beauty

Not a shiny magmar but close to it

[formal stratus]

@paper reef after the other two u can catch mewtoo

[oak thunder]

noice i need that i have too many shiny magmars

[gilded rune]

I hate piplup

He won't be shiny

[solemn salmon]

Good luck everybody today

[gilded rune]

I want to shoot him

Wait do incenses not last 3 hours right now?

Or two hours I forgot

Wow it's not

That's unfortunate

[analog steeple]

Is it 11am for you ?

[gilded rune]

Nope

It's 10:04

[fickle sluice]

I have gotten too many Shinies

[gilded rune]

I got like five

[analog steeple]

Chilis it’ll probably be 3 hours at 11 then

[analog steeple]

Reverb I’m jealous! I got 10

[fickle sluice]

These are all from this community day XD

I evolved some of them too

[oak thunder]

Dayum

[analog steeple]

Smh

Best I got was choco rocko

[fickle sluice]

Havent had any luck with porygons or charmanders yet!

You got regi rock?!?

[solemn salmon]

Cho

[fickle sluice]

Shiny regirock?!!??!

[solemn salmon]

[analog steeple]

I got one first raid ! No luck with a second

Alex

[fickle sluice]

That is incredible!!!

[paper reef]

Yep I know, that’s why I’m working on finishing it

[solemn salmon]

I bought 3 passes since i missed a lot of raids

My mons came back

[analog steeple]

But yeah no seedot or weedle for me yesterday

[paper reef]

I got 3 more passes today btw so I should be able to join some Regirock raids

[solemn salmon]

Sarahh good luck today

[analog steeple]

Gonna head out when my shiny rates go up

[paper reef]

Thanks, you too.

I’m about to drive to the park now. Can’t talk, bye.

[solemn salmon]

Damn

Also first one

[unborn garnet]

a question about the kanto tour: do we need to trade a friend with the other color to complete the special research that day

[analog steeple]

We have no idea but that’s the theory since it mentions trading in the event info

[unborn garnet]

bruh if thats so i wont be able to finish it

that means i wasted €12 for nothing

[ripe swan]

Rip its raining in my area and shiny rates just started.

Looks like im skippin.

[fickle sluice]

You could go out in the rain if you wanted to! It’s raining in mine too, but I’m figuring some way to go out

I also got some incense and that worked well for me yesterday, I got like 5 shinies from it

[ivory bough]

Picked this up today is it good and do moves need changing

[solemn salmon]

NICE

[ivory bough]

Thx first GOOD shiny

[fickle sluice]

That IS AWESOME!!

[gilded rune]

That's actually insaneee

And nah those moves are great

[solemn salmon]

aqua tail is must for gyarados

[analog steeple]

Ugh I just want one good magicarp

[solemn salmon]

i want a choco rock

[gilded rune]

I need a shiny piplup

[charred rapids]

Congratulations chili’s is a goat! Your 'he smells like pee' leveled up to level 40

[gilded rune]

Hes being so mean to me

[minor pilot]

Eyyy got a shiny Gastly

[gilded rune]

Nice

Piplup listen to your daddy

When u finally get a ditto but it's 0*

[minor pilot]

XD

Well it’s not good for pvp either way

[fickle sluice]

That’s a good CP too!

My gastly was 100 cp 😔

[minor pilot]

Oof

[gilded rune]

We may never know if the abra was shiny

[stark narwhal]

Anyone Interested in Swinub?

I was gonna run it myself, but I’m just checking

[fickle sluice]

Do they have a shiny boost?

[stark narwhal]

Yes

[minor pilot]

Dont all Rank 1 raids have shiny boost?

[stark narwhal]

Also yes

[minor pilot]

Yeah I have been looking for a bagon one but no luck there

[stark narwhal]

This one just popped

I’ll just do it. Gotta catch some more Magmar and Electabuzz

[minor pilot]

I need more magikarps and charmander

Got a Shadow Aerodactly yesterday and it looks nice

[solemn salmon]

same

the one i dont need is the one i keep getting

[minor pilot]

Which one

[solemn salmon]

magmar and electabuzz

[minor pilot]

XD same here

[paper reef]

I’m so happy right now! It’s pouring down rain while I’m in my car at the park catching mons.

[solemn salmon]

no birds to harrass you today sarah

[minor pilot]

T-T you get boosted magikarps

[solemn salmon]

good luck sarah

[paper reef]

I mean they probably will but maybe only a single poop and it’ll rinse off instantly

[minor pilot]

Wonder when they are gonna put Zacian and Zamazenta with the new mythical in Pokémon go

[paper reef]

Ooh it’s getting harder

[solemn salmon]

[minor pilot]

Hopefully pokemon go weather is accurate

[paper reef]

Yep uh huh, totally accurate

[minor pilot]

Shit XD

[paper reef]

I reported inaccurate weather

[minor pilot]

I usually report the weather and see if it changes but i dont think it’s effective at all

[paper reef]

Hopefully it’ll change soon

[minor pilot]

Yeah

[solemn salmon]

too bad my magikarps im getting are trash

[paper reef]

Oh I have 15 mins for a Mega Charizard X raid nearby

[minor pilot]

Yeah I got a lvl 2 magikarp

[solemn salmon]

same here crispy

electabuzz and magmar stop appearing

i dont want them

[minor pilot]

Is tic comes up with repellent for Pokémon go

[paper reef]

Okay I fixed the weather in my game

[minor pilot]

So it scares low level pokemon away

[paper reef]

I reported it and then refreshed game data and the game opened back up with rain

[minor pilot]

Eyyyyyy Great

[fickle sluice]

Damn they responding fast

[solemn salmon]

almsot lost a shiny karp to a rocket fight lol

[minor pilot]

Oof

[solemn salmon]

im glad i checked

[minor pilot]

Ahh the best is when you see a shiny accidently run from it cause you got use to it and then it leaves

[fickle sluice]

😔

[solemn salmon]

nah

[fickle sluice]

I haven’t failed any shinies in POGO... yet...

[paper reef]

I’m using my Pokeball Plus so I can speed through catching them faster

[minor pilot]

Me neither

I think

[fickle sluice]

OMG pogo just literally changed the weather to cloudy instead of rain bro

It is pouring outside

[paper reef]

I know it cuts the odds down though of catching them slightly though since it’s not guaranteed. Manual catching has better odds since you can spin multiple times in most battles

[minor pilot]

XD

[fickle sluice]

W h y

[minor pilot]

Cause it hates its player base

[paper reef]

Reverb, you in California too?

[fickle sluice]

Yep

[paper reef]

I fixed mine. It was foggy a second ago

[fickle sluice]

We must live close to eachother!

[paper reef]

Report the weather and then refresh game data

[fickle sluice]

Let me try

Well actually California is pretty big

[paper reef]

I’m in Stanislaus County in the town of Turlock.

[fickle sluice]

Damnit it’s still appearing as cloudy 😔

Oh I don’t think I live nearby there! I’ve never heard about there

[paper reef]

Finally thank god, the woman was sitting in her car next to me for a while playing the game too

[minor pilot]

Dude y’all live far from me pretty much the opposite side

[fickle sluice]

Oh yeah I’m in the north

[paper reef]

She left and for a while she kept healing her pokemon in the gym everytime I did damage to it

[solemn salmon]

im pretty far from all lol

[paper reef]

I managed to shove through it though and took it over

Turlock has about 80’000 people

[minor pilot]

I usually get a group to put blissley snorlax or hariyama

[fickle sluice]

A week ago I was at the mall and I was trying to create a valor gym, other people were helping me but then this mystic person said aha n o and kept trying to battle LMAO

[paper reef]

Have you heard of Modesto?

[fickle sluice]

That sounds a bit familiar!

[paper reef]

Yeah they’re the biggest city in my county, we’re the second biggest being the city of Turlock

George Lucas the creator of Starwars lived there

And made the movie American Graffiti in both Turlock & Modesto

Plus Colin Kaepernick went to my highschool then moved to the one across town many years ago

From the 49ers

[acoustic ridge]

Does anyone who lives in Canada have shiny electabuzz S they’d be willing to trade for shiny magmars, charmanders, gastlys, or seedots?

I’m getting desperate :(((

[paper reef]

You can’t trade in PoGo across the world without Spoofing

[analog steeple]

Might be better off finding a town server

[minor pilot]

Which sucks hopefully they add international trading

[deep halo]

I managed to get a shiny charmander

[analog steeple]

I have a town one for trades

[fickle sluice]

Wait can you trade with people as long as you’re in the same state?!

Also congrats bubble!!!

[deep halo]

And evolves it into a shiny charmealon

[minor pilot]

Well at least 24km I think

[charred rapids]

Congratulations Crispy_Pop! Your Typhlosion leveled up to level 100

[analog steeple]

Wait really??? Reverb we should try that

[fickle sluice]

Yes!!

[paper reef]

If they add international trading it’ll absolutely obliterate the market for Lucky Pokemon

[minor pilot]

Noooo

[paper reef]

Shinies too

[deep halo]

And evolved it into a sh8by charzared

[analog steeple]

Let’s try for research

[paper reef]

Too many cheaters out there

[minor pilot]

Shhhhhhh we need it

[acoustic ridge]

They increased trade to 40 km DIDNT they?

[minor pilot]

True I guess but I can’t trade with some friends because of that

[paper reef]

Yeah but what is that, like 100 feet away?

[acoustic ridge]

._.

Dude that’s pretty huge

[paper reef]

That’s barely enough to trade with your neighbor from your bedroom to theirs

100 feet is not big

That’s like 2 schoolbuses

[acoustic ridge]

ITS 40 KILOMETRES

[solemn salmon]

[minor pilot]

Yeah 40 km is 24miles

[paper reef]

Yeah, that’s like 100 feet right?

[solemn salmon]

ty kirby pfp boi

[acoustic ridge]

._.

[paper reef]

Is that 24 miles? Holy shit

[minor pilot]

Yessss

[acoustic ridge]

YES

[solemn salmon]

40 km yea

[minor pilot]

🤦‍♂️

[paper reef]

I could trade with people 3 towns away

[minor pilot]

Wait is it

Let me check again

[solemn salmon]

yea

[paper reef]

I thought KM’s were tiny

[fickle sluice]

@paper reef maybe we could try to trade and see if it works?!

[solemn salmon]

1000m is 1 km

[minor pilot]

It is 24.8548 miles

[fickle sluice]

Just to test the distance! Cho and I’s did not work 😔😔

[paper reef]

I mean I guess

[acoustic ridge]

So does anyone have shiny electabuzz they’d be willing to trade for other shinies?

[paper reef]

Do you have me added?

[minor pilot]

Gotta be specific

[solemn salmon]

i want a shiny pory

[fickle sluice]

Yep I do!

[acoustic ridge]

I have one btw do it won’t be like 100000 stardust

[deep halo]

i have one

[acoustic ridge]

Also I have plenty of good IV polygons I can give you

[minor pilot]

Didnt spoofing get patched btw

[paper reef]

Okay, let me check for you on my list

[solemn salmon]

its ok ill try today

[acoustic ridge]

Shiny ones

[minor pilot]

I would think with time

[fickle sluice]

Alright I’m trying to trade you!

[paper reef]

Oh I’m trying to trade with you lol

Let me back out and wait

[acoustic ridge]

Does anyone have electabuzz shinies?

[paper reef]

I’m getting nothing

[fickle sluice]

I’m trying to trade

[paper reef]

Worth a shot though

[solemn salmon]

gotta wait

[acoustic ridge]

Alright

[paper reef]

Yeah it’s not showing me anything

[fickle sluice]

Aww man we may be out of range 😔

[paper reef]

Too far away

[minor pilot]

Bet

[paper reef]

Congrats Crispy!

[solemn salmon]

congrats!

[acoustic ridge]

Nice

[fickle sluice]

Congrats!! That’s an amazing porygon!!

[minor pilot]

Thx i already got three but this is my highest cp

Low iv though

[paper reef]

Okay I’ll be back in like 5 mins. I’ma move across the park for better mons and so I can spin 6 stops at a time

Better then the 2 I’m getting now

[solemn salmon]

Good luck sarah i hug

[paper reef]

Thanks

[acoustic ridge]

Does any body have any shiny electabuzz? The game has been taunting me so hard man... I find like 15 electabuzz and then get ANOTHER shiny magmar

[minor pilot]

Everyone better say nice after the photo I’m going to post

[acoustic ridge]

Okay

[deep halo]

nice

[acoustic ridge]

NICE

[solemn salmon]

Noice

[deep halo]

69

[minor pilot]

XD

God damn low co but I love it

[fickle sluice]

CONGRATS!

[minor pilot]

Another pory I need more magikarp

[solemn salmon]

i need the pory lmao

[acoustic ridge]

I need shiny electabuzz. Has anyone even caught one today?

[minor pilot]

Yeah

[deep halo]

i need a shiny squirtle

[minor pilot]

Just caught another electabuzz

[acoustic ridge]

WHHHHAAAAAAT

like shiny?

[minor pilot]

Yes

[acoustic ridge]

BRUUUHHHH

YOUR KIDDING

[minor pilot]

Low cp though

All my shiny have been low cp

[acoustic ridge]

Are you willing to trade?

[minor pilot]

I live in Florida so I’m not to close

[acoustic ridge]

L

That’s rough

[minor pilot]

Yeah

[deep halo]

anybody got a shiny squirtle willing to trade

[acoustic ridge]

No sorry

Are there any other shinies you want?

[deep halo]

well i wanted to try and get a shiny blastoise because i already have venasuar and chariared i probibibily speeled them wrioong soeey

[acoustic ridge]

oh oka-

LEEETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

AHAHHAAHAHHA YES

[stark narwhal]

I have a bag on raid

[deep halo]

but i was unable to get shiny venasuar

[acoustic ridge]

Bubble, where do you live? Like I don’t want specific details but if you want a shiny bulbasaur I can give you one if we’re in trade distance

like what state/province are you in?

[deep halo]

Michigan

what would you want

[minor pilot]

Is it still available

[stark narwhal]

Noooo...

[minor pilot]

T-T

[acoustic ridge]

a shiny electabuzz but your too far away 😦

[minor pilot]

God dammit I was to slow

[deep halo]

that sucks

[acoustic ridge]

Yeah

[rancid creek]

dam i just did a mega abomasnow raid and i couldnt catch it

[deep halo]

yeah it sucks when you win a raid but cant catch it

[rancid creek]

yeah i beat 2 articuno and 1 moltres a while ago and didnt catch any of them

[deep halo]

dang

[paper reef]

Okay I’m getting seriously pissed

[formal stratus]

These were my shinys today😋

[deep halo]

WHAT!

[minor pilot]

I need shiny magikarp or shiny charmander but keep getting pory

[paper reef]

I’m trying to take over this gym but some unknown Instinct jerk keeps healing their entire Gym with golden berries because I’m doing damage to them and after every battle they right back to exact full health before I beat them.

I’m just wasting heals and shit at this point

I’m just going to let them think I’m all done and then steal it when they aren’t paying attention

[formal stratus]

I can trade u one @minor pilot

[paper reef]

Theres literally not a single car parked at the entire park besides mine so it has to be someone remotely checking from their homes. Plus no one is at the park

[formal stratus]

@paper reef hahahah that sucks but for the other person it’s probably really enjoyable

[paper reef]

I hope this jerk stubs their pinkie toe and then steps on a ton of legos because they keep healing it up from some unknown location

I will take this gym over, I have the supplies to keep going

[stark narwhal]

I have a magnezone in a gym for 24 hours on the main road in town. How does that work

[minor pilot]

Well dude how long has the guy had the gym for?

[deep halo]

@formal stratus do you have shiny squirtle or bulbasuar

[stark narwhal]

I wish someone would come knock him out already

[minor pilot]

Cause if it’s less than 8hours that’s just a dick move

[paper reef]

I had the gym yesterday and it hasn’t been take down since. It’s belonged to Instinct since last night

8 hours for who?

[minor pilot]

The guy in the gym

[paper reef]

It’s a dick move for me to take it?

[formal stratus]

@deep halo nope sorry

[stark narwhal]

I didn’t get half as many shinies as yesterday but I got one of each and two magmar. Could have been worse

[minor pilot]

Well yeah the dude probably trying to get coins but someone keeps attacking it

[paper reef]

That’s what I’m trying to do. The gym got snatched from under me yesterday and I only got like 24 coins

[minor pilot]

8 hours is the maximum to get 50 coins

[paper reef]

Well I’m still taking this gym.

I’ma check on it really quick

[minor pilot]

If it’s more than 8 hours he probably the dick but whatever

[paper reef]

Right back to full health

[solemn salmon]

Crane park

[minor pilot]

What the time on the Pokémon?

[rancid creek]

why did they even decide to make gyarados 400 candies

its absured

[minor pilot]

Cause its Op

[paper reef]

I’ma force them to burn through those golden berries if they keep healing. I have 80 Max Potions so I don’t mind, plus my pokeball plus is getting me tons of free potions mid battle so it’s a constant supply

How do I check their time?

Nvm I see it

[minor pilot]

Ok

I will usually take gyms that are more than 8 hours unless they took my gym I will take it back

[paper reef]

I bet you it’s Machamp guy.

It’s 12 hours for the one there the longest but the other two barely have anything

[minor pilot]

Yeah the guy healing probably the guy with Delphox

Yeah that’s probably why

[paper reef]

Why do you say that? I was thinking that at first too

It was the first one to be healed each time so that was my thoughts of it

But I thought it might be Machamp too

He’s been there a long time and could be helping them

[minor pilot]

Well Since you didn’t really know the time I’m not gonna say you did it on purpose but they probably just want coins

[fickle sluice]

We’re needing one more for a regirock raid In #784549733690769448!

[minor pilot]

Sure

[fickle sluice]

You may even get a chocco rocko

[minor pilot]

I’ll go to the channel

[deep halo]

whats ffa

[stark narwhal]

Free for all

[deep halo]

so pokemon go free for all raids

[stark narwhal]

Not free like money kinda like first come first serve

[paper reef]

I’m still going to take it. I take a gym every time I see one. I want those Gym Leader shirts.

[stark narwhal]

Sunken cost at this point lol

[fickle sluice]

Wait how do you get the gym leader shirts?!

[fickle sluice]

Ohh

[paper reef]

Then they better come over here in person because I’m taking it down now. I hope they don’t realize I’m just waiting to trick them and they gave up on healing them.

The Gym Leader shirts look super nice

I’m also going to buy Giovannis outfit soon too when I eventually can

okay back to battling them

[stark narwhal]

You sound just as petty as me haha

[fossil nymph]

Which one do i evolve?

I wanna do the normal one, but i really like shiny magmar

[paper reef]

Okay I took them out

I would personally evolve the shiny. It’s rare and still has somewhat okay stats

[paper reef]

A little petty, but strategy

If you can’t succeed, find a new way around or through it