competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

It works with shifu and restricteds cuz, well, yeah

Fair enough

[timber falcon]

ah yeah that whole core

[molten oasis]

Incin p2 amoonguss baybee

Idk when we’ll get Ursa but I’m ok with it not being around

Tr being kinda shit is cool

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm happy with not having to deal with that fucker.

[molten oasis]

I’m mostly just wondering what they do give us

[real prairie]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wGExgQiw3Y0qlsaQ9ULogG7Tp5mLMqMykSP2pxnQS4o/edit?usp=drivesdk

[molten oasis]

We need metagross imo the fairies are ridiculous rn

Or even dengo but, dengo would be ass into this meta

Sure, you wall sneasler but then there’s gambit chomp and/or basc

[leaden fox]

bookmarking that xD

[molten oasis]

Wow, what a meta

https://tenor.com/view/fish-spin-sha-gif-26863370

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I want Metagross in Champions myself too; my fave psuedo too

[cerulean nacelle]

Metagross would be good. Checked by zard Y, good into the fairies.

They're gonna slowly drip feed us all the rest of the megas. Including new ones.

[leaden fox]

Also Metagross would scare a few Sneasler off; though unlikely to scare Gambit

[molten oasis]

It’s got stomping tantrum

Metagross has everything it wants to do, whatever it wants to

[real prairie]

Escavalier unironically could be sick in this meta lol

[cerulean nacelle]

Doesn't metagross also have hammer arm or power up punch?

[molten oasis]

Ferrathorn could be cool

[molten oasis]

Idk about pup but it has body press

[leaden fox]

yeah it would

[leaden fox]

Think it has both; whether will be the case for Champions I do not know (though likely won't get PU Punch

[molten oasis]

Stomping and body press for gambit

Idt hammer arm would be worth it

[leaden fox]

Imagine if they add in Weakness Policy 😏

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah I forgot he has BP. So he probably threatens a KO or high damage on gambit and vice versa.

[molten oasis]

Oh no gimmicks

(It’ll be fine)

[leaden fox]

We'll see Bulldoze Clear Body WP 😅

[molten oasis]

Eh

I’d just rather play mega gross

[leaden fox]

Don't knock it so easily 😅

[molten oasis]

I play Delphox.

[leaden fox]

Metagross is a strong mon either Mega or not

[molten oasis]

It’s dying to overheat

Or heat waves

[molten oasis]

I mean, it’s fine usually

Without mega it’s just kinda outclassed

[cerulean nacelle]

Might be better with something that can set tailwind for it. Maybe like a beat up whimsicott or something.

[molten oasis]

Maybe in this meta without its stone it be fine

But you have basc gambit and zard so idk

Which are all often on the same fckn team

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeahhhhhh psychics ain't doing great unless your name is farigiraf lol

[molten oasis]

Delphox was fine, and then the meta fully formed and now every game is a headache

Sucker punch mind games are ass

[cerulean nacelle]

Delphox basically gets a pass because it's got a pretty good dual offensive typing and a very unique speed tier.

Mega specifically.

[molten oasis]

Seriously, wish, we had amoonguss, and goggles

[cerulean nacelle]

I don't. Hate amoonguss.

[molten oasis]

I get why

I want a redirector that isn’t shit or doesn’t automatically die to basc

Idk we’ll see

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah I get that. I just hate that it's a redirector with a 100% accurate sleep move.

Always hated the move spore.

[molten oasis]

It is a good pressure tool for a reason

[cerulean nacelle]

I can't deny it's usage, I can argue it's bullshittery

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/fbcb74a6aceb02ba
this has been feeling pretty good unless it's against archaludon or a perish player who knows what they're doing

I don't think raichu is working

Evs not final

My idea is who needs coverage when crunch really hurts

But it doesn't hurt archaludon quite enough

[timber falcon]

Why corv ?

[polar canyon]

Gambit + floette

But I guess it's replaceable too

[timber falcon]

and raichu is just for arch?

[polar canyon]

Pretty much

If I try a second mega I would want it to be cohesive with rain sableye

Maybe scizor

But how prone to intimidate would that make me

[timber falcon]

theres a prominent lack of offence on the special side

[polar canyon]

Ok scizor is cool now that I'm trying it

Maybe I could put mega dnite on the team?

Less scared of floette if I have scizor and sneasler on the team

[pearl wind]

ofc basc is my first 100win mon 😖

[polar canyon]

Basc is probably a reason why I'm enjoying ddance gyarados

Running jolly just to outspeed and ohko scarf basc

[leaden fox]

I mean, were you really not surprised by that? 😅

[pearl wind]

i forgot that both forms count

[viscid garnet]

Second time hitting masterball

[cerulean nacelle]

Finally done with exams so I've finally gotten myself into master ball tier.

I did mostly grind with mega camerupt trick room but for the last 2 stages of UB tier, I changed to my mega froslass/blastoise team.

[real prairie]

200 off champions tier

[cerulean nacelle]

Damn you've been grinding

[real prairie]

New team doing all the heavy lifting

Went on 15 game win streak at one point

[cerulean nacelle]

Dayum

[real prairie]

Mega Banette is working wonders

[cerulean nacelle]

I reached master ball tier today so I'm pretty content on that. But I got my 100 battles with mega froslass so I need a new team

But my main goal was always master rank. I probably won't make it to champion rank. But that's fine

[real prairie]

Yeah masterball rank is still one hell of an accomplishment

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah I'm pretty content with it. But I'd like a new team to still do challenges and maybe do some more achievements on.

[real prairie]

I hear ya, I'm working on my 9th rainbow Mon atm

Think it'll probably end up being lucario

[foggy lodge]

Tanked from 1859 to 1690ish this morning and got back to 1850 now

[cerulean nacelle]

I think I'm gonna retry making a zard X team. I like the core of something like zard X, sinistcha + milotic/rotom.

Fire water grass cores are always fun.

[nocturne holly]

what megas yall running

I wanna do smth not as mind numbing as zard Y

[cerulean nacelle]

Could give my team a try.

Mega froslass
Mega blastoise
Maushold
Sneasler
Tsareena
Aerodactyl

If you're interested @nocturne holly

[foggy lodge]

Scovillain Aerodactyl

[nocturne holly]

Who’s sylv good with

It’s been my favorite Mon to play

I might do mega gard then bc is they play similar

[cerulean nacelle]

I've seen memes with round dragapult.

But as far as I've seen for sylv she's typically on TR.

[nocturne holly]

This has been the most stale meta I’ve played in for a while

Sylv has 34% usage with mega Scov

hmm sylv basc peli mega scov?

[solid frigate]

Mega Zard X And Mega Froslass
Mega Gyarados and Mega Venu

[cerulean nacelle]

Absolutely based. As you can see from my post higher up I've been loving mega froslass too.

Mega zard X I do wanna make a proper team.

[solid frigate]

You can try to build with Mega froslass

Kinda work as a duo mega team

[nocturne holly]

What synergy do they have

[solid frigate]

picture them like they have their own modes

[next dust]

Xard,rotom,sinistcha, orthworm, sneasler, alolan Ninetales

[cyan smelt]

i'm considering putting rain dance on farig to deal with the zard teams

Just saw some neat tech with rain dance farig and weather ball torkoal

I might run weather ball, freeze dry, blizzard and tect on a9 with rain dance farig and that helps me deal with zard, rotom and sinistcha

Rain weather ball into gambit isn't bad either

Actually now i'm curious, if i imprison protect then encore protect do they struggle?

[cyan smelt]

Waittttt i just realised that imprison rain dance shuts down sableye arch if i fake out sableye

I have stumbled upon a genius solution to my problems

[spiral ridge]

so many small glimpses of hope for taht fucking chomp lol

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[dense latch]

next level hater

[cyan smelt]

Trying to decide between mega aero and rotom wash but I think I'll go with rotom

[foggy lodge]

LMFAO

[bold geode]

How'd it even live that

[spiral ridge]

i was wondering that too but its champions

[foggy lodge]

32 Atk Tough Claws Mega Aerodactyl Ice Fang vs. 32 HP / 4 Def Garchomp: 204-240 (94.8 - 111.6%) -- 68.75% chance to OHKO

Insane amount of bulk or the aero is not max atk

16 Atk Tough Claws Mega Aerodactyl Ice Fang vs. 32 HP / 4 Def Garchomp: 184-220 (85.5 - 102.3%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

well it kinda has to be both

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

Luckiest and unluckiest man alive

[cyan smelt]

Should I try heliolisk?

It walls rotom which I struggle with and I gave it weather ball for sinistcha on snow and it has weather ball for zard which can work with farig rain dance

Bonus of walling basc

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/a861d62200b59aae i wanna replace farig, i dont find myself actually needing a way to prevent FO and having it on field feels very passive

[timber falcon]

its a very specific solution, but if its a consistent bad MU then u should try it out

[waxen dock]

Oh yes

Fake out ghost mon

Unless loupanny or khngaskhan

[timber falcon]

he runs kang iicr

[cyan smelt]

this is going gangbusters so far, 9-2

twin beam has two chances to crit lmao

holy shit weather ball heliolisk is so good against incins

[cerulean nacelle]

Orthworm I've always found to be too unreliable. Especially when so many offensive things threaten it.

Also I am a personal believer that a9 doesn't do enough currently.

[cerulean nacelle]

I would but I already kinda did something similar with mega froslass and mega blastoise together and I've gotten my 100 battles with froslass so I'm kinda looking for something else.

[cyan smelt]

weather ball heliolisk does decent damage into chomp too with the bonus of being able to use it in snow

who knew dual weather was the missing link I needed

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm curious to see ur team rn.

[cyan smelt]

https://pokepast.es/5292337e3b9ab662

10-2 currently

farig, kang, a9, gambit, heliolisk have really good synergy

heliolisk is perfect into rain

[next dust]

Well, aside from shed tail giving you a free Ddance and orthworm doing fairly well into the matchups xard is weak to, and aurora veil from a9 enabling it as well as dealing with water threats and weather control alongside rotom wash, I can see why you would think that

They really should have given arbok shed tail as well

[cyan smelt]

i'm wondering if I should run sash heliolisk or sash a9, magnet heliolisk hits really fucking hard

[next dust]

I do not run my a9 without sash haha

[cyan smelt]

if I see peli on the team sheet best believe I'm leading heliolisk

[cerulean nacelle]

It's mainly the thing that most weathers will actually have a solid out to alolan ninetales. You aren't bringing a9 to a sun match. Against rain if they preserve their sableye well they can just reset the weather easily. And a9 has a lot of common weaknesses rn including fire, steel, poison and rock all of which are being highly exploited atm with things like glimm who picked up in usage, sneasler, kingambit, zards and etc.

I really personally just don't like a9.

[cyan smelt]

I found a way to make it good again, maybe I need to ladder more

[cerulean nacelle]

As for orthworm, I just find him inconsistent. I'd rather sort a free d dance by utilising fake out or redirection.

[next dust]

Correct, you can always swap it out for screen users

But that takes two turns for the same utility

[cyan smelt]

it's great because heliolisk walls basc and peli

[next dust]

And xard really likes to be behind defensive screens

[cerulean nacelle]

But it's a utility I don't think I always need. Not necessarily anyway. Don't get me wrong I know how good aurora veil is. But a lotta teams can just alter the weather if they wish to.

[cyan smelt]

and heliolisk with rain weather ball is decent into gambit

[cerulean nacelle]

Heck my first team was centered around bulky aurora veil mega froslass, essentially trying to do a balance team.

[cyan smelt]

one of the two games i've lost so far, one was to sun and one was some weird snow cloak bright powder a9 stuff

[next dust]

Sure they can, sun and sand is harder to deal with than rain, but for a late game setup sweeping mega, especially a single target one it takes some work haha

[cyan smelt]

well I just lost to a team with quick quard talonflame and feint kleavor

just low ladder nonsense IG

[cyan smelt]

heliolisk just clutched it for me against Delphox + Sneasler

it works against sun!

[timber falcon]

shouldnt it be the opposite

[cyan smelt]

well I set up the rain dance as soon as they mega

currently 16-5 so my changes are working

[timber falcon]

so ive got an anti-whim + zard garchomp

but i havent seen zard in forever, so the set feels real redundant

https://pokepast.es/0a4bb5fb0bbbc4f6 need soem advice on a more consistent build

[cyan smelt]

which mons aren't working for you

[timber falcon]

farig isnt brough to games, garchomp feels lackluster

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2618962829-op9c9snfvpkl4fes1f484c0g9hckms3pw every last drop

[cyan smelt]

how bout aero and tailroom

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2618963129-lgffpdqghyphlivnge8jp81sid58223pw they misplayed but heliolisk clutched and rain dance weather ball was awesome here

[timber falcon]

so farig and aero?

[cyan smelt]

try it

[timber falcon]

who would i replace to get aero in?

[cyan smelt]

well you said chomp feels lackluster

[timber falcon]

i meant mostly the set, shouldlve specified

i rely on the typing for a few MUs as its easy to swap in

i want a different item and rock tomb isnt doing it for me

[cyan smelt]

sitrus?

[timber falcon]

i havent clicked it once in 20 games

[cyan smelt]

well sitrus and rock slide maybe?

[timber falcon]

huh

i thought something alreadu had sitrus

ill go w that then

although

maybe i want an offensive item? i am running like 0 bulk anyways

[cyan smelt]

Dragon fang scale shot?

[timber falcon]

game right after the change

[cyan smelt]

Always the way lol

[timber falcon]

some kind of sick prank

[cyan smelt]

I'm excited, i made some changes to my team and it's paying off so far

Only thing is heliolisk is too fast for tr

[timber falcon]

whats the full team?

[cyan smelt]

https://pokepast.es/5292337e3b9ab662

It's a fun interaction when I click rain dance on farig then weather ball on a9

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2618967332 all peachy

maybe ill kepe farig for now, that tr option is great

[timber falcon]

ooo kang as the primary mega, nice

why twin beam?

[cyan smelt]

Sash and low health mons, and sneasler and glimm

[timber falcon]

hm thats smth i havent considered

[cyan smelt]

Idk whether to switch to modest heliolisk because i'm not picking up crucial kos

I think i will

One lead I haven't tried yet is heliolisk a9

I was losing faith in kang but my faith has been restored, it's still not a good lead though

Kang and farig i mean

Gonna try leading farig and a9 more

[timber falcon]

Kang + farig lead only, works if you’re going for a tr sweep

[cyan smelt]

Yeah I have become overly reliant on it but people get around it by protecting and switching

[timber falcon]

Paired with torkoal and bold switches, I found it real nice

You do need an actual tr sweeper ofc, Kang has been nerfed to chip

[cyan smelt]

Rain dance farig is super fun

I'm enjoying this adjustment

[timber falcon]

All sunshine and rainbows you are 😭

Good for you

[cyan smelt]

I used to bitch and moan about everything, it's nice to enjoy the game for once

Instead of complaining next time I'm going to try and fix things

Next time i see camerupt or blastoise i am bringing farig + heliolisk

Or any ground, rock or fire type

77.3% gxe, I'd say the changes have been a resounding success so far

I gotta work on reacting to losses better

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2618984201-587t6te2cwshn32ul3l3pw2uacg068npw this rules holy shit

walls milotic which I also struggled with

[cyan smelt]

Who would have thought rain dance farig and fucking heliolisk would be the answer to my problems lol, might run a 4th move and scarf it

And switch to solar power

[timber falcon]

Solar power heliolisk ?

[cyan smelt]

Nah dry skin is better because it walls water types

[timber falcon]

Yeah was gonna say

[cyan smelt]

I have 3 modes, snow, rain and tr

[timber falcon]

I kinda just send in the same thing every game with the same 2 at the back

With the exception for sun, never been great at figuring out modes

[cyan smelt]

I try and switch things up, I feel like there's enough versatility to deal with most things

Heliolisk has been way better than I thought

With zard i set up tr or rain dance and force em to switch

Rain dance + tbolt or volt switch

[cyan smelt]

If heliolisk has fighting coverage I will run it for arch

Sigh only focus blast

I legit might run shed tail over tect

[cerulean nacelle]

Heliolisk geta shed tail?

[cerulean nacelle]

What's ur main lot?

[cyan smelt]

Yeah it's a thing with all the dragons who aren't dragon type like sceptile

[cerulean nacelle]

I knew sceptile got it. Didn't know heliolisk did. That's neat.

[cyan smelt]

I don't know if I need to run shed tail and volt switch then

[timber falcon]

primarina + scovillain, then chomp + basc/kang in the back

for zard i usually run chomp + farig

[cerulean nacelle]

It gives you an offensive and defensive pivot option. Could be good.

[cerulean nacelle]

Sounds like you've got a good general plan. I don't think there's much changing needed.

[cyan smelt]

Shed tail into gambit could be lit

Scarf heliolisk

[cerulean nacelle]

Isn't heliolisk electric normal?

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[cerulean nacelle]

Maybe try and get a ghost type behind its subs, because it could bait the fighting move.

[cyan smelt]

What I have currently is working so I don't want to change things

Mega kang and gambit behind sub is hype

Shed tail + tr seems awesome

[austere pilot]

I think I might've ran into scarf archaludon idk how to feel about this lmao

[cyan smelt]

I definitely played against that because it was locked into aura sphere

Nothing surprises me anymore

[austere pilot]

I knew because it outsped max speed aerodactyl and one shot it with electro shot 💀

[cerulean nacelle]

Its something I haven't seen yet for sure.

[cerulean nacelle]

Just that surprise factor. I've seen a few scarf arch's before.

[cyan smelt]

Outspeeds sneasler too doesn't it

[pearl wind]

they should give starmie close combat

[cyan smelt]

idt scarf heliolisk is it

[waxen dock]

does wide guard work in 1v1 spread moves?

[timber falcon]

i dont see why not

its just less consistent in singles

[cyan smelt]

how fast is vivillon?

[timber falcon]

155 timid

[cyan smelt]

is that faster than heliolisk

[timber falcon]

bo

no, heliolisk can outspeed

unless its scarf

[cyan smelt]

how did mega dnite outspeed heliolisk?

and it lived on 1hp ffs

also why have I faced no basc

[cyan smelt]

down to 58.7% maybe this team isn't good

[cerulean nacelle]

Was tailwind up? Did an icy wind or something happen?

[cyan smelt]

nope

[cerulean nacelle]

Was tailwind up? Did an icy wind or something happen?

[leaden fox]

Just a curious thought/question 🤔
If they do Dynamax again; what one mon will be your dynamax choice 🤔

[cerulean nacelle]

Are we saying what mon we'd love to have back for it or just one current mon?

[cyan smelt]

nope no tailwind or icy wind

[leaden fox]

any mon

[cerulean nacelle]

Idk. Dnite is base 100 speed. What is heliolisk?

[cerulean nacelle]

Well this is from personal experience but I'd love gigalith

[leaden fox]

very fair choice; I know I'd pick Metagross 😅

Though we know that Gmax Char will be abused from the start 😅

[cerulean nacelle]

Gigalith is really fun with dynamax. Pretty good attack, weakness policy makes it harder to deal with, sand stream means gigalith has an innate 50% special defense boost without using assault vest etc.

Otherwise I'd pick hustle mons like durant, dracozolt or maybe even flapple for the lols

[cyan smelt]

heliolisk is 109 and i just got beaten by scarf archaludon

idk i might quit, this reg is too hard

[cerulean nacelle]

Scarf arch is a mon of all time.

[cerulean nacelle]

You doing showdown or actual champions?

[cyan smelt]

showdown

[cerulean nacelle]

Ah well maybe build a new team. See if something else feels right?

Don't just give up.

[cyan smelt]

i thought this was good but I keep losing to jank, just lost to palafin before

[cerulean nacelle]

Well Jank is meant to throw you off.

Whole point of it is to be abstract so the opponent doesn't know what you're doing.

Like so many people get thrown off with tsareena and end up mashing priority which I just safely switch tsareena into.

[leaden fox]

tbf, choice scarf arch is rare atm

[cyan smelt]

i keep struggling

but 60% gxe is ok IG

[leaden fox]

Yeah, can understand that.
My best advise is to learn what are the most likely moves your opponent will run on their mons, as well as take the perspective of "what mons will your opponent likely bring to the game"; that way, you'll have a better idea what mons you need to bring

[cyan smelt]

it's hard when it's unpredictable mons and moves

[leaden fox]

Obviously when you think from your opponent's perspective, they will likely have three different options at minimum

[cyan smelt]

and items

[leaden fox]

Yeah, been across that many many times

Got taken out by choice scarf Lucario with Final Gambit too

[cerulean nacelle]

It doesn't have to be perfect. But perceiving what your opponent registers as a threat even if you don't know their set let's you win.

For example, who are they gonna fake out? Are they gonna double attack a single mon? Etc etc.

[leaden fox]

You can even limit what they can fake out if you run a ghost type + another mon, giving you a guaranteed attack

As long as you know the possible max speed tiers

Obviously only exception on ghost type leads is "Scrappy" mons like Mega Lop and Kanga

[cerulean nacelle]

I did this with my trick room aspect of my old bulky froslass team. I'd lead froslass + sinistcha if I predicted a sneasler lead. Froslass could typically get aurora veil off without a problem and sinistcha would set up TR and then can switch out into something like kingambit who then resists dire claw or etc while my slower bulkier froslass stayed and spammed blizzards.

If I got that dire claw sleep proc, then that's just a damn shame.

[cyan smelt]

idk maybe I do need tailroom

[cerulean nacelle]

If you have a fast aspect of your team, the speed control is necessary.

[leaden fox]

I know my current team I am testing doesn't have a "Tailroom" setup, but it does well in and out of Tailroom

[cyan smelt]

lost to another fucking scarf chomp

sick of random scarf mons

[leaden fox]

Yeah, Chomp is known to run Scarf most of the time

In fact, believe it's the most used Scarf mon

Excadrill is as well

But you'll know if Exca is scarfed if Mold Breaker

[cerulean nacelle]

Scarf chomp is fairly regular. A common partner alongside zard Y to deal with mons such as sneasler.

[leaden fox]

One of these days, we'll see Scarf Alolan Ninetales 😅

[cerulean nacelle]

Nah we'll see my glorious goat scarf torkoal

[cyan smelt]

just lost to fucking protect incin

[leaden fox]

mega gengar on their team?

[cyan smelt]

no, tsareena and glimmora

too much fucking jank

[cerulean nacelle]

Sounds like you're just getting unlucky dude.

Take a break and let yourself de-stress then hop back on

No point aggravating yourself further.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, always give yourself 5 - 10 mins to chill for a sec if on a bad streak

[cerulean nacelle]

It's really easy to get annoyed then just throw away a team because you had a couple bad games.

I've had many a bad game due to bad RNG and it's annoyed the hell out of me but that's just bad luck. Not necessarily a bad team or player.

You can play as perfectly as you can and still lose to randomness

Because you can't prepare for it.

[cyan smelt]

protect incin is triggering

[leaden fox]

I know I test various teams on Showdown; but that is just to get a slight feel for one that I can put a lot more effort into; but I tend to do 10 - 15 game tests on each one to be sure before I lock in

[leaden fox]

Yeah, likely using the same form Incin from the Perish trap engine

[cerulean nacelle]

A lot of incin are running protect or taunt instead of a secondary attacking move I've found.

Taunt incin helps for trick room and protect gives you more options.

[leaden fox]

Yep, though I know there is a rare chance to see Mental Herb; but not commonly

Mental Herb is more likely to be seen for certain mons more than anything, not so much the current ones

At least for now since many are weak to Dark types 😅

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah farig still kinda struggles to tank hits, same with sinistcha due to things like gambit or zard Y just being so extremely powerful, so sitrus and colbur are a lot more common.

[cyan smelt]

fuck offfff they got a triple protect

[cerulean nacelle]

Seriously dude take a break

[cyan smelt]

what is this rng though

i had them and they got a triple protect

wait if most chomps are scarfed then i can always fake out the partner, set tr then ice punch em next turn

[cerulean nacelle]

A lot of chomps are. Some are bulky chomps with typically a roseli berry.

[cerulean nacelle]

And you can be extremely lucky or extremely unlucky.

I had a match where I missed a double rock slide, then actually missed one opponent on hyper voice because they were bright powder. It was tilting as hell.

[cyan smelt]

this team is ok but I guess I've regressed to the mean

not accounting for a triple protect though

[cerulean nacelle]

You shouldn't account for a triple protect lmao.

[cyan smelt]

my gut was telling me to get rid of the farig, i should have listened

[austere pilot]

dynamax mega zygarde

[austere pilot]

I taunted a farigiraf twice in one game and my opponent forfeit after that loooll

[leaden fox]

yeah, many don't run Mental Herb 😅

[cyan smelt]

this is such a hard meta

[leaden fox]

Yeah, takes a little time to get used to it a little; thankfully Champions does show you the "usage rate" of mons in the Battle Data

[gentle crag]

djdanny88 has given 1 Gen Rep to crvstal_kitty

[cyan smelt]

i feel like showdown is way more random than what's actually on champions

[leaden fox]

it can be yea

[cyan smelt]

i beat someone in the 1500s so the team can't be all bad right

[leaden fox]

Shouldn't be yeah

It's just in the point between 1000 - 1400, you see a lot of "weird teams"

[cyan smelt]

what is my rng, played another mega camerupt team and they got a double protect, I won though

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I believe it's a one in third chance to get a double protect

33% basically

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2619234916
Honestly love this team 😅

[cyan smelt]

yeah I struggle into glimm

[leaden fox]

Just in mid-1500s atm on Showdown while testing this team of mine still

Though at least on Showdown, after a few games, you can adjust your EVs accordingly

[cyan smelt]

now I'm struggling with Tsareena, Milotic, Arch, Glimm and Sneasler

[leaden fox]

What is your team atm?

[cyan smelt]

farig, heliolisk, sneasler, mega kang, a9 and gambit

i think i need aero

but idk how aero helps against milo and glimm

[cerulean nacelle]

I been running taunt on maushold because no one expects it but it's a great anti-trick room lol.

[leaden fox]

Hm 🤔
I wonder if this option may help ya: Mega Houndoom + k9tales 🤔

[cyan smelt]

what does mega houndoom do

[cerulean nacelle]

Hits quite hard in the sun.

[leaden fox]

Solar Power ability; Heat Wave, Dark Pulse

[cyan smelt]

but i'm struggling with arch and glimm

[leaden fox]

Also has base speed of 115 (outspeeds CharY)

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah it's fast and hits harder than zard Y in the sun but it's highly volatile due to solar power chip.

[leaden fox]

Twin Beam Farig? @cyan smelt

[cerulean nacelle]

I did run a tailwind + sunny day whims with mega houndoom. It was decent.

[cyan smelt]

yeah but i'm thinking of switching to psychic because not one sneasler i've seen has been sash

and then i can imprison psychic on opposing farig

[leaden fox]

Yeah, though it's maybe wise to keep Twin Beam, because you know the moment you do take it off; it'll be sash sneas against ya

[cyan smelt]

i'm gonna risk it because i'm tired of psychic farigs killing my sneasler

[leaden fox]

that's fair

it just lets you bypass likely sash Glimm

[cyan smelt]

i've been struggling with mega glimm more, i want to nuke it

[cerulean nacelle]

I still religiously run twin beam lol.

[cyan smelt]

twin beam has been mid

[cerulean nacelle]

Need a ground type move for that big man.

[cyan smelt]

i'm almost tempted to scrap a9 and go back to gliscor

heliolisk has not been doing so well for me

[cerulean nacelle]

Do mega camerupt. Beeg strong TR boi.

[leaden fox]

@cyan smelt Hm, what about Oblivious Mamo 🤔

As your ground type

Then you'll still have an ice type that cannot be intimidated

[cyan smelt]

mamo instead of a9?

[leaden fox]

Yeah; that is if you wish to try that

[cyan smelt]

i could

[leaden fox]

or you can run choice scarf Exca

with mold breaker

though Exca will be a little more frail than Mamo

[cyan smelt]

i guess no harm in trying mamo

a9 has not been great

my team is great against mega blastoise, gengar and basc but it struggles against arch

and sneasler

[leaden fox]

@cyan smelt Upside with Mamo; gets Ice Shard (+1 priority)

So you could run it with: High Horse, Icicle Crash, Ice Shard, Protect

[cyan smelt]

so psychic on farig and then mamo

maybe mamo could work, set up tr then go to town on glimm

[leaden fox]

Yep, exactomondoh

[cyan smelt]

same with sneasler

[leaden fox]

Though if you want 100% accurate ground type moves; you can go stomping tan too

the difference is only 20 BP; but Stomping does double BP next turn if it fails to hit

[cyan smelt]

so i can eat fake outs then stomping tantrum next turn

[leaden fox]

yep

Just need to make sure to add some EVs into it's def and spdef a little is all

not a huge amount, but enough

[cyan smelt]

it's weird, i struggled with rotom with my other team and now i've barely seen it

[leaden fox]

Yeah, people seem to hate seeing Mold Breaker Exca as of late 😅

bypasses Levitate

[cyan smelt]

still dunno what i'm gonna do into milotic

at times I feel like this game is too hard for me and I should go back to single player

[austere pilot]

don't take it to seriously and have fun with it

I've been on a loss streak piloting baton pass espathra into mega venusaur really badly lmao

[leaden fox]

jeez; I just went into a guessing game situation 🤣

me and my opponent were going 3d chess mode with me having Sucker Punch and them not 😅

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2619275463

[cyan smelt]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2619277389-kkr3g3h48g2t4ym3lchvdit6kgco67lpw very proud of how I played this

that mega floette had some bulk though damn

maybe the team isn't too bad after all

[leaden fox]

yeah, some are running it with more phys bulk

[cyan smelt]

fine with me, it dies anyway

[leaden fox]

yeah, faced a few of them many times, but luckily, it doesn't run anything to give it more phys bulk 😅

[cyan smelt]

i'm kinda scared of mega aggron now

[cerulean nacelle]

Mega floette legit is why I joined sneasler religion. Otherwise I'd be fuckin about with every other God damn fake out user.

[cerulean nacelle]

Mega aggron is really rare. So rare that I haven't run into it once in the newer season.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I hardly see Mega Aggron; but when there is a rampant amount of Char Y on the ladder, it's expected

Even with Filter; it loses it's resistance with it's rock typing gone

[cyan smelt]

Zard with glimm and garchomp is really hard

[leaden fox]

Yeah, seen that about often

though I think my current team has too much physical that a will-o-wisp screws me >_<

[cerulean nacelle]

Luckily will o wisp isn't that common either rn.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, though always have to watch out for Rotom with it if you swap badly 😅

Not likely to happen all the time, but you know what I mean

[pearl wind]

any ideas for changes for my starmie team? ive been dabbling in the mb2 range (5k-10k), biggest problem has been arch, rotom is also difficult but manageable

added venu for the arch/blastoise/scovillain mu (sco depending on the team), its fine but no real answer to those

around half of my losses are from bad plays on my part where i select moves too fast and dont identify the right win-con so its alright i think

pls gimme thoughts

[cerulean nacelle]

Seems like a decent bit of weird rain. Basc F is cool. Seems alright.

[leaden fox]

Feels like an overall solid team 🙂

[foggy lodge]

Top 100🦖new elo record

[jade badge]

does the power boost of acrobatics remove the technician bonus?

[dense latch]

yes

[rustic mountain]

which one r u?

[rustic mountain]

yo dude i hadnt asked u, how was lima

[dense latch]

it was so fun

[rustic mountain]

nice

[dense latch]

4-3, top 32

[rustic mountain]

[dense latch]

i do wish i prepped more bc i never really made lines into the hirofumi matchup and i ended up losing to it twice in a row lmao

[rustic mountain]

oof

whats the hirofumi comp

[foggy lodge]

MegaLian

[dense latch]

one of the losses was to one of the best players in the country and the santiago regional finalist iirc so im not mad abt it

[rustic mountain]

grats

fair enough

[dense latch]

after the set he told me his gameplan was to just wake up in two turns and i just didnt get that to roll in my favor

[dense latch]

cir korai smeargle incin lando rilla

[rustic mountain]

oh god lol

[foggy lodge]

The ruination smeargle

[dense latch]

my other loss was to my near autoloss lmao

[rustic mountain]

is it tru finals the one person just left cuz they had to catch a flight

[foggy lodge]

Yeah💔

[rustic mountain]

dude, extend the flight wtf

[dense latch]

i was talking to my friends after r1 saying “oh the one matchup i hope i dont pull is mirai zama qd volc” and i paired against it right after 😭

[rustic mountain]

u made it all the way there and r like eh nvm gta dip like this is y u came here

[dense latch]

got so many reads right but it wasnt enough

[rustic mountain]

every good run needs some luck

just gta learn from it for the next one

[dense latch]

my goal was to go positive tho and i got that + 160 cp

[foggy lodge]

true

[rustic mountain]

fuck yea

[foggy lodge]

i remember a thred from davide cognetta where he said that

[dense latch]

yea i wasnt too bummed about making day 2 bc it was my first ever in person event so i was getting used to the feeling

[foggy lodge]

He won a regional where he started 5-2 and he pulled an auto win in the win and in

And went all the way to winning the regional and he talked about how MUs at regionals change how the whole thing plays in the end

[dense latch]

also sun is pretty tricky for the team and 5/7 games were vs koraidon 💔

[rustic mountain]

theres just too many variables at a regional, u need luck whether its mu pulling or in an actual game or set via rng to really go far, especially wen ur talkin about skilled players that dont necessarily have a huge gap in skill level

its not to say hey rely on this to go far luck wise but its a naturalized part of any deep run

[dense latch]

dnite might be the best pokemon of all time tho i think i go like 1-6 without it

[rustic mountain]

i guess that was the mvp haha

[dense latch]

but the experience was great, getting to meet and talk to the best players in the latam scene was awesome

[rustic mountain]

guessing they were friendly

[dense latch]

the community as a whole was very welcoming

[rustic mountain]

thats nice to hear

[dense latch]

they congratulated me for my strong start for a first major and got a few compliments on my play from top players, it felt awesome to hear bc i was feeling slightly unconfident on how i was playing prior to the event

wish we had more events here but i’ll try my best to squeeze in a few locals

[rustic mountain]

thats awesome always good to have positivity in the community

did u start playing champions yet?

[dense latch]

yeah

well just sd so far but the regulation itself yea

still trying to find a team

crazy how high ladder is

[rustic mountain]

zard y

but yea a lot of interest for the game off rip

[dense latch]

yea i've been on zard y when i do play champs

tried that one sylveon team holy shit does that fairy dog do damage

[rustic mountain]

yea ive been using the sylv zard y comp

its great

[dense latch]

i think i went from like 1300 to 1630 ish without losing yesterday then lost a game and called it a night

doesnt feel that big when t500 is 1700+ lol

[rustic mountain]

pretty good run

ive been hovering top 500, think top 250 was my highest a little while ago

[timber falcon]

I managed to drop from 1740 to 1300

[rustic mountain]

oof

[timber falcon]

Yeah had a bad day to day the least

[rustic mountain]

new team?

[timber falcon]

Not even

Same team that got me up there

[rustic mountain]

recently?

cuz metas been changing ever so slightly

[timber falcon]

Was like 2-3 days ago?

[rustic mountain]

might jsut b rust

[dense latch]

tree what do you usually lead vs vivillon blastoise w the team

[rustic mountain]

i beat some high 1700s player b4 they got so mad they tried rematching me twice

[rustic mountain]

that mu sucks

aero zard

[dense latch]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2619648477 this was pretty lucky but we take those

[rustic mountain]

double protect t1, burn the fake out. then either give me tw or give me solar beam to ur face

[dense latch]

yea i did that except i dont have tect on aero lol

[rustic mountain]

yea im just solo zard y

[dense latch]

idk how i feel about it yet but wide guard is nice

[rustic mountain]

mega aero is cool i guess but i wasnt the biggest fan

• ppl think im gna mega aero t1 wen i dont lead zard and i can use it to my advantage

[dense latch]

i havent used it yet but i figured it'd be nice into the zard mirror

[rustic mountain]

normal aero is

imo atleast

u wide guard their rock slide, have sash for sustain in a sense and can match tw if necessary

took me a sec but i got over no dual wingbeat

[dense latch]

did u drop dwb for tect?

o that answers my question lmao

[rustic mountain]

haha

[dense latch]

i think i've missed more than i've hit since i came back to champs

but it makes sense on mega aero

[rustic mountain]

ngl kinda how the mu has to go

if u get 2+ sleep on both ur guys ur gna lose unfortunately

[timber falcon]

Good thing sleep was nerfed

[dense latch]

yea pretty refreshing after having to deal with reg i smeargle

[rustic mountain]

yea its cool having that 50/50 on t2

[dense latch]

ngl tho lima really rekindled some of the love i had for reg i

just a few months too late

[rustic mountain]

ppl r very fond of reg i, especially w/ how m-a has turned out

[dense latch]

what csr zama does to a man

[rustic mountain]

reg i is fine, sv just got tired

[dense latch]

i hope i just get to use paonite again in the foreseeable future

[rustic mountain]

maybe just not w/ tera

[stray rain]

Hello, super noob here with only Pokemon Champions as their first dip into VGC and interested in Mega Delphox teams, are they still viable atm or are they just fully outclassed rn to use?

[cyan smelt]

i really think tailroom is the call for me, sneasler and aero seems really good and farig kang seems decent and kang can operate in tr and tailwind, the question is what I replace

[rustic mountain]

https://www.vrpastes.com/zAkGSKo1

this is the best delphox team as of recent

[molten oasis]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1380514121459564554/1386460574036131840/image0.gif

[foggy lodge]

3 directions lmao

[timber falcon]

I’m so thankful I’ve never run into this

[cyan smelt]

since i'm struggling with glimmora maybe I should just use glimmora

[timber falcon]

You mean to see its weaknesses?

[cyan smelt]

idk

[rustic mountain]

?

oh redirection

[timber falcon]

are sneaslers bulky now?

https://pokepast.es/947d9df4aa89b330 currently 21-9 with this team, and wanna make some real changes now. Farig is much too inconsustent of a mon, i recall brining it around 3 times in totol, and unfortunately kang also isnt seeing much play

i think id like more defensive options, scovillain is doing too much work, being the only fairy resisting member and only good offence against grass types which ignore rage powder

as ive lost against both meganium teams i encountered

i guess at the same time i need better offensive options

[cyan smelt]

I'm also thinking bout getting rid of kang and maybe using decidueye, or maybe I could use both lol

[cyan smelt]

I dunno i think i need aero

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/efb86b660d912b27 ended up with this

not that confident with how it looks though

[cyan smelt]

I don't know how to improve my team

I could try mamo but then I'd still struggle with arch and sneasler

[timber falcon]

whats the current one?

[cyan smelt]

Farig kang sneasler gambit heliolisk a9

[timber falcon]

why does it need improving

[cyan smelt]

60% gxe, it could be better and a lot of fighting weaknesses

[timber falcon]

thats true, 3 weakness with only 1 resist

[cyan smelt]

Maybe i replace a9 with aero

Aero and sneasler is really good

And i could run ice fang on aero for chomps and dnites

[timber falcon]

dnite has multiscale

[cyan smelt]

I got kang as well

Farig and aero is sounding pretty good

[cyan smelt]

But beyond that idk, might look at some pastes for inspo

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2619807594 horrible, horrible game for my opponent

RNG is cruel

[cyan smelt]

As bad as losing because they got 3 protects?

[timber falcon]

your team has changed a lot hasnt it?

[cyan smelt]

Yeah i need to rework it, farig aero seems a good starting point

[timber falcon]

missing 2 "70%" hurricanes then accidentally swapping chomp into a +2 moonblast

pure ragebait atp

[timber falcon]

how many games do you usually play before making a change?

and atp, what kind of team are you going for?

[cyan smelt]

I think tailroom seems good, i've played like 70 games with this team

[timber falcon]

tailroom with what tho

is it still build around kang?

[cyan smelt]

That's what i need to figure out, i have my doubts about kang

[timber falcon]

most results see kang doing well on trick room

but theres a few other ways ive seen it have succes, such as coaching lucario with drain punvh# to sustain

[cyan smelt]

I just really struggle into arch and sneasler

[timber falcon]

aero?

should take care of sneasler uexcept bulky ones ig#

[cyan smelt]

Farig, aero, sneasler seems good

Either sneasler or chomp

But i'm wary about doubling up on ice weaknesses

[timber falcon]

are u tryna make balance?

i think starting it off with a trick room and tw mon might make the process a lil awkward, at least for me it would

[cyan smelt]

People ran whims and farig in sv

[timber falcon]

yeah but is that how they started the teambuilding process?

what plan do u have in mind is what i mean

[cyan smelt]

Maybe i shouldn't run balance idk it feels like the meta is more HO atm

[timber falcon]

all depends on ur playstyle, theres a few balance teams out there

[cyan smelt]

Tr isn't great or maybe i need to run torkoal

[timber falcon]

torkoal is nice rn i feel

[cyan smelt]

But i'm wary about that because of rain dance sableye

[timber falcon]

maybe anooyinf cause of weather wars, but once its activated it can do major damage, just gave nice coverage

[timber falcon]

what i did, was kill sabeleye first

just erase it

[cyan smelt]

With what

[timber falcon]

or, you can taunt

[timber falcon]

a fairy

[cyan smelt]

Don't they run roseli

[timber falcon]

havent seen that yet, but thats a good point

taunt it is

better yet, you could embrace it

have a mode thats not reliant on rain dissipating

[graceful scaffold]

hello, looking for feedback on my incineroar:
ability blaze, max atk max htp, protect, fear bliss, throt chops and fake out

@cyan smelt

i run it in rain team

[timber falcon]

Why not intimidate?

[graceful scaffold]

whats that

[timber falcon]

Another one of its abilities

It lowers the attack of both opponents Pokémon when it swaps in

Idk an incin that doesn’t run it

[graceful scaffold]

im just ragebaiting lol, but i chose no intimidate coz i love incin but got tired of setting off kingambit etc

[timber falcon]

This can be worked around by not leading into gambit teams, on the other hand, you’re missing out opportunities to nerf a quite high physically offensive meta

Blaze will almost never come into play

[graceful scaffold]

i like making ppl laugh more than winning but have like 50% win rate with my gabage lol, everyone always says to not use your favourites but i wanna use kitty cat

[timber falcon]

Which cat are you talking abt?

[graceful scaffold]

incin :3 meowmeow

blaze incin + stunfisk

[timber falcon]

But like, once again blaze is so inconsistent you might as well not run an abilty at all

Incin is very much already viable

No intimidate is almost objectively just making it worse

[graceful scaffold]

yeah! i know!

[timber falcon]

😭

[graceful scaffold]

im the only person using blae incin i think

[timber falcon]

0.1% use it apparently

[graceful scaffold]

thas me woag im famous!! this my first time ever doing battling so im still learning lol my fav mons are all good so i get to enjoy it a lot! even if i hate the bridge and defiant

[timber falcon]

What is the full team?

[austere pilot]

bridge is one of my favs but my god do i hate going against it lol

[graceful scaffold]

LOL its pretty bad rn, mega blast, talonflame and sturdy bridge are only good kinda meta build ones

i use blaze incin almost every battle hahah but getting lucky first turn wins it usually for me, unlikely now blaze cat got me to masterball somehow

[cyan smelt]

Waitttttt

If i'm struggling with glimm, arch and sneasler, why not stunfisk? It works in tr

[cyan smelt]

Doesn't have the glaring cc weakness like heliolisk

[graceful scaffold]

join the stunfisk + blaze incin gang :3

[cyan smelt]

Farig kang gambit stunfisk

[graceful scaffold]

stunfisk was so good in PLZA too

[timber falcon]

or, you can use garchomp

[cyan smelt]

Garchomp don't work in tr

[timber falcon]

are you hard tr?

[cyan smelt]

I mean i lean on the tr mode a lot, fast meta

[timber falcon]

wb camerupt

it just feels to me like stunfisk is gonna be tickling most of the mons u worry abt

[cyan smelt]

Nerfed in rain do not want to bring it against peli arch basc

[graceful scaffold]

https://tenor.com/view/good-star-wars-sith-dark-side-come-to-the-dark-side-gif-4804512234906114523

[timber falcon]

true it does help in rain

[cyan smelt]

Sunny day farig?

[timber falcon]

why not embrace the rain

[cyan smelt]

Idk i need to look at stunfisk's moveset

[graceful scaffold]

my reccomendation is all 3 ugly monkeys with fake out, blaze incin, fake out blastoise and then fake out mega sableye

[cyan smelt]

Why

[timber falcon]

your like the devil whispering into my ear

[graceful scaffold]

LOL

[cyan smelt]

There's no remotely coherent synergy there

[graceful scaffold]

well theres the monke synergy, fake out pivoting, mega sableye is OP i hear! and incin is the goat

nobody will expct blaze will they

[cyan smelt]

Blaze incin is not the goat

[graceful scaffold]

hahahha

[chrome knot]

oah jeez memey

[graceful scaffold]

they will ban me from comp discussion for my transgressions

[timber falcon]

id even stand as a witness

[chrome knot]

i just think ur silly :3

[graceful scaffold]

no u, hope ur having fun also with champignons its so silly apart from the meta mons their evil

[chrome knot]

mmm i play here and there i dunno

i not super interested atm but its fun in small doses

[cyan smelt]

Lmao i could reflect type into arch and become steel dragon

[cyan smelt]

But I change my team and don't struggle with sun as much but now i struggle with rain and glimm and sneasler

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah there isn't really "enough" to deal with everything super well rn.

[cyan smelt]

honestly thinking bout running 4 move gambit with brick break to deal with incins and kangs

[cerulean nacelle]

I think protect is far to valuable on gambit rn.

If AV existed I'd say there's a reason to do 4 attack gambit. But there really isn't rn.

[cyan smelt]

4 attack sash gambit?

i've noticed dual weather sun and rain picking up a bit

[dense latch]

there is though

low kick iron head sucker kowtow is common for chople berry kingambit

[cerulean nacelle]

I still run chople berry gambit and I still prefer to have protect. I didn't realise that 4 attacks was becoming more common with chople though.

[cyan smelt]

it would be really nice to have something to hit incin with

[cerulean nacelle]

In general or on gambit specifically

[cyan smelt]

on gambit, i feel like i'm torn between having something for floette and sylveon and gard and having something for incin

[cerulean nacelle]

That's typically how I feel. I typically go for iron head, low kick, sucker punch protect but if you wanna do 4 moves gambit then kowtow is added.

[cyan smelt]

might test it out on a new alt

[cerulean nacelle]

Pretty sure low kick would still do more damage to incin than brick break, I think low kick on incin reaches 80BP.

And low kick is just the better move into things like ttar and opposing gambit.

[cyan smelt]

yeah it would honestly be so nice to having something for opposing gambits too

[cerulean nacelle]

Any time I've not run low kick gambit I've missed having it for opposing gambit.

[cyan smelt]

if i'm running farig i don't need to worry about fake out

[cerulean nacelle]

This is true.

[cyan smelt]

and now that i think about it, maybe i should run hammer arm kang, hammer arm mega kang sounds tasty

i wonder how much damage hammer arm would do to arch

[scarlet edge]

crazy to me that neither forms of Mr Mime has a Light Clay ability

[bold geode]

What

@chrome knot I can't get to 1800 on the Champs ladder, am I cooked

[chrome knot]

idk

[bold geode]

I may be

Zard Y is burning this format out
Jarvis
Remove Zard Y

[keen quiver]

Do you not have a Cloud nine mon

oh wait i forgot they never made cloud nine mons to Entirely Counter Weather

[leaden fox]

tbf, it does feel like that xD

Even I am using it, but even I am thinking that too 🤣

Though let us be glad Charizard didn't really do much during ScarVio (aware it won one big comp/regional, but that's all)

[keen quiver]

how mfs feel after popping ult early just to lose the match

[bold geode]

Ah yes lemme use Drampa or Altaria

Two Pokemon that are kind of just dogwater

[keen quiver]

tbf that gamefreak problem
They didnt make Cloud nine to objectively counter weather making weather team losable against cloud nine team lol

we really need a new status effect that lowers special attack

[timber falcon]

I think altaria has potential

[foggy lodge]

Use altaria

my ninetales will be happy seeing it anyways

[leaden fox]

https://pokepast.es/56c1eb0c419e0a9d
Thoughts on my team?

Just been adjusting it accordingly 😅

[empty saddle]

i love pokemon

[leaden fox]

oof >_<

[timber falcon]

I think no tailwind is gonna make mirror MU hell

But I may be wrong

Kinda looks like a standard Zard Y team, with whimsicott missing

[leaden fox]

Yeah, my Tailwind matchups don't go well compared to having none 😅

[timber falcon]

Y not commit to the hyper offence, sinistcha seems like an outlier?

[leaden fox]

Having something to stop Sucker on me helps a little 😅

[timber falcon]

Hm

[leaden fox]

I would use something for Follow Me instead, but only have two choices for that: Maushold and Clefable

[timber falcon]

Maus isn’t terrible

[leaden fox]

Haven't really used it before 😅

[timber falcon]

Pairs nicely with an offensive mon with fast encore to distrupt, super fang to make things easier ect

Problem is, you’re still left with no tw answer

[cerulean nacelle]

I think maus is good. I've been running super fang, taunt, follow me and protect.

So it's an anti-TR mon and a redirector.

And friend guard is good.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, may be a good shout; thanks for the input 🙂

[gentle crag]

djdanny88 has given 1 Gen Rep to diobrando8256

[cerulean nacelle]

All good! I didn't really use him until recently and even then he exceeded my expectations.

[leaden fox]

Now I just have to figure out what item and stat spread to run on them (without using Sitrus xD)

[cerulean nacelle]

I did chople with max HP and speed.

Super fang is fixed damage so you don't need attack. And this spread typically let's it live some hits while chople guarantees it doesn't die to a fighting move.

[leaden fox]

Can't use Chople, it's on my King 😅

I could put Black Glasses on though for King 😅

[cerulean nacelle]

Sash?

If you don't wanna give up chople on gambit

If maus doesn't work you could always use sinistcha to redirect

But I'm not caught up on your team comp atm so sinistcha may not be what you want.

[leaden fox]

On my Basc xD

[cerulean nacelle]

Christ 😭

Uh idk, those 2 are kinda the BnB on mausholds

[leaden fox]

I've sorted it for now xP

[cerulean nacelle]

By doing what, genuinely curious XD

[leaden fox]

https://pokepast.es/7906fa29e8d73b52

[cerulean nacelle]

Ahhhh the glimmora zard base.

Black glasses + SD, the greediest gambit in existence XD

[leaden fox]

Yep 🤣

[cerulean nacelle]

I like the team though. Seems good. Hopefully it works for you.

[leaden fox]

The only other option for Maushold slot is Sableye 😅

[cerulean nacelle]

I do love sableye and he's good support. But maushold is that dude. Love him to death.

[leaden fox]

Especially with Quash, Reflect, Light Screen + Will-o-wisp

[cerulean nacelle]

See atm I hate will o wisp sableye. But i feel like it's because it makes sableye even more redundant into farig or similar priority protections.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, if I swapped out Will-o for anything, can grab Foul Play

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah foul play or fake out are pretty good.

[leaden fox]

Have to watch out for Fairy types; but Glimm is there

And Char Y

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah this team doesn't really struggle with fairies. You got strong physical mons in basc that can easily kill a floette or weaken it enough and then your 2 megas both do well into it.

[leaden fox]

Yep, pretty much

[cerulean nacelle]

Can try maus and then sableye or vice versa then see which you prefer.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, giving each a 10 game tryout

Just doing game 2 of Maus

[cerulean nacelle]

Sounds fair. I still need to figure out what I wanna do for zard X.

I know I wanna support it with sinistcha, but other common partners like ninetales and orthworm I'm iffy on. So I might see about other options.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I have to really give Char X a try at some point

[cerulean nacelle]

I both love and hate the bastard XD

[leaden fox]

Considering if I run Char X instead of Char Y; would give me a physical mon without fear of burn

[cerulean nacelle]

You lose an EQ partner for scarf chomp however. I think zard Y is better for your team.

[leaden fox]

Yeah that's fair

[cerulean nacelle]

Zard X giveth and zard X taketh away the flying type XD

[leaden fox]

So far so good; 3 for 3 with Maus

[austere pilot]

I love both of the little critters so much, wish there was a slot for them on my team

[leaden fox]

Yep, know that pain lol

[cerulean nacelle]

I feel that

[leaden fox]

Ok, Maushold is doing well

[cerulean nacelle]

Maushold do be that dude. I'm considering adding him back for a zard X team.

[leaden fox]

Can be proud of the chomp and mouse; helped me beat perish trap xD

Though will be funny when Weezing drops into Champions 😏

[cerulean nacelle]

Lol I just got the worst rng.

Missed a dual wingbeat that would kill the whimsicott even after i read the turn correctly (I switched in tsareena to block the priority encore).

Then my tsareena only gets 1 hit on triple axel. And it's the SECOND TIME this has happened in a ranked match lmao.

I also can't seem to get a good feel for a zard X team I enjoy. So might scrap zard X for me.

[winter fox]

Interesting analysis Google 🤔

[molten oasis]

2 sitrus berries

U turn sneasler, no fake out incin, no protect phox

[graceful scaffold]

looks like my team lol, my incin is blaze for the lolz

[nocturne holly]

Anyone have bulky char Y spread, bulky garchomp spread, and a normal sylv spread?

[cyan smelt]

Not to mention incin lost knock off lol

[polar canyon]

If they add nfes back I want them to add charjabug

I wanna play charjabug

[winter fox]

When I made a doubles Delphox team for the live event and finding out it's single battles and not doubles. So now I'm stuck with a doubles format team.

[cyan smelt]

How many nfes are actually good

[solid frigate]

4-5 during SV Era

at least from my memory

electabuzz,magmar,Clefairy,Porygon2

Dusclops if you want to count it

[timber falcon]

32 Atk Adaptability Basculegion Wave Crash vs. 32 HP / 32+ Def Incineroar: 192-228 (95 - 112.8%) -- 68.75% chance to OHKO i cant belive i missed a KO cause of this

[cyan smelt]

can't believe the shit i'm losing to, ally switch base alakazam

fucking breaking swipe aura sphere arch

[cerulean nacelle]

There's been some funny NFEs. In SwSh, galarian corsola was ironically quite a nuisance.

[cerulean nacelle]

Lol dw I missed an important dual wing beat then only got 1 hit on triple axel.

If I'd have landed that dual wingbeat they wouldn't have had tailwind, I would've killed their whimsicott. Instead I lost my aero and that whimsicott stayed on the field for too long.

[cyan smelt]

ok stunfisk is actually pretty goated, does decent damage into arch and can threaten aero and zard

I feel like my predictions are getting better

just lost to fucking pangoro lol

and now I lost to regular zoroark

every time I go on ladder on a fresh alt I encounter more wacky shit

I think I'll get rid of rain dance and imprison protect

[cyan smelt]

i just can't find something that's consistent

[cerulean nacelle]

Well... you are using mons like stunfisk

If you want consistency, use more consistent mons.

[cyan smelt]

i'm using fucking sneasler and gambit

and I hate mega scizor

i need rotom or something

to wisp it

what am I supposed to do against mega scizor? low ladder noobs love it

i'm bout to quit this reg, it's not fun

idk what to replace stunfisk with

yeah I'm bout to quit, no matter what I try it doesn't work

this team is hot garbage

everyone running zard y so stunfisk is useless

maybe I stick with farig gambit aero sneasler

[cyan smelt]

but then I need something for scizor man

[timber falcon]

Mega scizor isn’t bad

I wouldn’t say it’s low ladder slop

[cyan smelt]

yeah well no matter when I play against it I always struggle so I need something for it

need something for it, Glimm and Arch

and zard