competitive_discussion

[sudden remnant]

have tsareena as an endgame sweeper

[leaden fox]

Could work yeah
Never considered using Tsareena in my teams except during early stages of S/M era

[sudden remnant]

tsareena is genuinely goated

[leaden fox]

Yeah, it's ability is basically Armor Tail on a more offensive mon

[sudden remnant]

it has power that farig does not have, while lacking the utility farig does have in return

[leaden fox]

Knowing you, you may put Farig and Tsareena on the team regardless

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/meu-gif-27420939

[leaden fox]

So with Mega Amp and Hatterene, you just need to find two more mons to use

[sudden remnant]

well i will have a second mega for matchups amp does NOT wanna be in

[leaden fox]

Depends if you want a just as slow one or not so slow one

[sudden remnant]

i could make it a tailroom team

glimmora is really tempting

[leaden fox]

If you do a tailroom team; I suggest Whim and Glimmora pairing

[sudden remnant]

i will miss my goat banette

mega banette is so fucking good bro

[leaden fox]

If not Whim, you could also run Gale Wings Talon

[sudden remnant]

how about

after you mega lopunny

[leaden fox]

possible as well

[sudden remnant]

glimmora gives me an answer to fairies

which mega amph cant really do much to

[leaden fox]

Mega Glim also answers a counter to Char Y

[sudden remnant]

contrarily, mega lopunny gives me a utility mega

which ive come to quite like

[leaden fox]

I remember using Mega Lop during ORAS xD

[sudden remnant]

i used lopunny in the start of champions

i had fake out cc ice punch protect

[leaden fox]

Yeah, been doing competitive since X/Y 😅

[sudden remnant]

i only started in reg A of SV

i would have joined halfway through SWSH but certain circumstances prevented me

[leaden fox]

That's fair; though first Pokémon game of mine was Red 😅

[clever root]

What do we think is the best 6th member here, something defensive?

[sudden remnant]

my first pokemon game was soul silver

[leaden fox]

one of the best remakes too xP

Though any remake is better than shivers BDSP

[sudden remnant]

fact check status: true

i have brilliant diamond i still havent played it all the way through

[leaden fox]

I'd say something defensive yeah, possibly could shout out Farig; or maybe Sinistcha

[leaden fox]

I played it all the way through; don't understand how the game goes normally and then E4 + Champ get competitive movesets and abilities O_o

[clever root]

My ass bouta run imprison sinistcha

[sudden remnant]

90 physical attack. interesting…..

[leaden fox]

Made my Farig bold xP

[sudden remnant]

oh im not doing that 😁

[leaden fox]

Always a good shout yeah

[sudden remnant]

i have something better in mind

[leaden fox]

Though if you do Imprison plays; I think Farig deals with that better; since it gets Hyper Voice which means no Hyper Voice spamsxD

[clever root]

Imprison, Matcha, TR, are 3, now do I go rage powder OR life dew, rage feels better

[sudden remnant]

i just checked farig does in fact learn the move im looking for

[leaden fox]

or Protect for the last one so your opponents cannot protect xD

[leaden fox]

which one?

[sudden remnant]

psychic fangs

[leaden fox]

Ah yes, it does get that thankfully

[gentle crag]

djdanny88 has given 1 Gen Rep to naganohara_vexae

[sudden remnant]

and has 90 attack

which is workable

[leaden fox]

As long as you don't attack into a Dark type, you'll be good 🙂

Now if only Mega Lopunny got Brick Break 🤔

[sudden remnant]

negative

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I wish it did, even though it never will 🙁

[clever root]

Oh thats very funny

[leaden fox]

Indeed xD

[clever root]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-morty-you-son-of-a-bitch-im-in-animated-series-gif-17733141

[sudden remnant]

okay mega amph hatterene farig tsareena glimmora(maybe) cotton ball(maybe)

[leaden fox]

My Imprison Farig does so well into Hyper Voice and TR teams xD

[leaden fox]

At least what you can do is distribute the stats, move sets. etc for the four mons you want to use on showdown

until you decide your last two for sure

[sudden remnant]

what if i dont run farig with armor tail

since i have tsareena already

cud chew sitrus berry

[leaden fox]

I mean, Farig's other abilities can get some use, but not as great as Armor Tail imho

Sap Sipper won't get usage until more grass types are on the ladder (especially if Rillaboom gets added)

[sudden remnant]

thats why i said cud chew sitrus berry

or i could predict a protect and trop kick my own farig

[leaden fox]

Well, there is that yeah

[sudden remnant]

niche but it could definitely work

[leaden fox]

could yeah

[sudden remnant]

wait wait wait hear me out

[leaden fox]

if sap sipper healed ya and gave an atk stat, it'd be better

[sudden remnant]

mega lucario as my second mega

[leaden fox]

Mega Lucario would work yeah

[sudden remnant]

steel hits fairies fighting hits steel

[leaden fox]

And with Adapt, would hit harder

Sounds like a good shout

[sudden remnant]

and with bullet punch i could technically use it in tr as well

[leaden fox]

Maybe if you pair that with GW Talon; could have some extra usage too

[leaden fox]

unless against AT or QM yeah

[sudden remnant]

well obviously

[leaden fox]

or in Psy Terrain

[sudden remnant]

but farig wouldnt have enough power to kill lucario

tsareena however would be quite scary

[leaden fox]

wait...

[sudden remnant]

oh only 80 base power low kick

thats not so bad

[leaden fox]

It gets Ice Punch too

[sudden remnant]

yes

but who do i need ice punch for

[leaden fox]

Grass types

and Flying

And Garchomp

Mega Luc does outspeed Garchomp if not scarfed

[sudden remnant]

garchomp would have to deal with amphy in trick room

i wish amphy got flamethrower or earth power

it does get power gem and meteor beam which is something to consider

[leaden fox]

Would be nice if it did get Flamethrower since many Dragon types do, but yeah

[sudden remnant]

lucario also gets thunder punch

but amphy gets rock moves and is already an electric type

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I just feel like Ice Punch covers for certain types it has problems it deals with

[sudden remnant]

although if im using the birb i already have a way to hit grass types

and tsareena is gonna have uturn as well

[rustic mountain]

im curious to see how urshifu fairs wenever it comes back, like surely itll still b good but every other team good?

[leaden fox]

I love it when my team beats up Perish xD

[sudden remnant]

nah no farig im gonna add the ribbon cat

[foggy lodge]

truth nuke

[sudden remnant]

https://pokepast.es/380705ef3da7331a

[molten oasis]

What checks it

If we have as limited of a pool of mons then as we do now shifu’s gonna be crazy

[timber falcon]

apart from basc, whats a nice offensive scarf mon, prefer physical

[cyan smelt]

Chomp

Mold breaker excadrill

[timber falcon]

might have to try excadrill, with kommo-o idw even more faory weakness

its just i dont rly benefit from EQ

[spiral ridge]

Some rotoms fo scarf I think or I could be pulling that out my ass

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/5058b43f845b41c5 for context this is the team, ive got 22/10 and feel like im not bringing basc enough, even tho i like its role

idm a secondary mega either

[timber falcon]

doesnt have the output im lookin for i dont think, but i think its worth considering

[spiral ridge]

Ah okay your a fairly fast team but no tw

[timber falcon]

that has also been an issue

[spiral ridge]

Go whims or aero or smth sounds looks like you need speed control more than a higher speed tier

I had a feeling

[timber falcon]

maybe mega aero?

3 of my mons already dont give me much offensive pressure, and Kommo-0 needs set up to be a major threat.

which is why im really searching for better offence

wow

all of sudden my sun MU feels so great

[spiral ridge]

Sure do that

[molten oasis]

Pretty much just Garchomp tbh

Meow is an anti meta pick you can do

What’s wrong with basc?

[timber falcon]

it just didnt feel very useful

like there werent much times id actually wanna use it, i bring kommo-o into almost every game, the last 3 are to support it. Which was usually scovillain of course, and maybe sneasler + farig in the back, tinkaton also got lots of field time because i really value feint and fairy resist

whearas basc did have a few decent games, i really just wasnt bringing him enough to feel like it deserved a spot on the team

could just be a piloting issue? Idk, just doesnt fit my playstayle or gameplan

[winter fox]

It's a piloting issue

Basc in the right hands is an absolute menace

It's mainly for late game or pivoting. It's not meant to sweep or disrupt teams.

[timber falcon]

i added it for late game clean up, but ended up using sash sneasler fo rthat role more often

[winter fox]

Sneasler should be your lead fake out mon if it has sash

[cerulean nacelle]

@leaden fox just went against ur boy Hamurott. Managed to win it pretty easily. Mega gardevoir does work.

[winter fox]

Fake Out,Dire Claw,Close Combat, and Throat Chop are your most useful movesets if you're using sash

[cerulean nacelle]

That or running protect instead of throat chop. Can come up.

[winter fox]

That too

[next dust]

Nah with Sylveon as prevalent as it is now throat chop is almost needed

[timber falcon]

i added it to deal a lot of damage and help with my fairy MU. Although i havent been using it with this role, its been doing great either way, when i wanna leade FO i usually got tink

[timber falcon]

with farig and kommo-o i dont need throat chop hence protect

[cerulean nacelle]

I think throat chop is useful for incin to be running rn. Not necessarily for sneasler as sneasler can threaten big damage on sylv with dire claw anyway. It's not too hard to remove sylv from the equation.

[winter fox]

Either set is fine tbh

If you really want to be evil you can have coaching and use it on Basc as a lead with Mystic Water

And then have Teapot in the back to heal it while you rip away with Wave Crash

[cerulean nacelle]

Basc my beloved. I'm using basc on a team with zard X and sinistcha + coaching sneasler atm lol.

[winter fox]

Sash Basc will be the downfall of Champions

[molten oasis]

Is throat chop a new adjustment for sneasler? Dropping protect for it too? Is that worth it?

[spiral ridge]

Mfs acting like dengo around

[winter thorn]

how do I become able to turn the Display Battle Names setting ON in Champions?
I am trying and the game just don`t let me.

[cerulean nacelle]

It's being used by some people over protect on sash sets. I think protect is fine. But throat chop does give sneasler useful coverage to hit the ghosts like basc and mega froslass.

So it's just what you believe is a better trade.

Also I think I just ran into the only mega excadrill player I've ever met lol

[timber falcon]

anything to prevent me hitting 1700 ig

[molten oasis]

I see, ok

I saw a white herb one the other day and got confused

https://pokepast.es/5c06cd7baec22381 anyway, rocking this rn, thinking the Tauros may get dropped but intimidate and more stuff against gambit (sorta) and ways to slow down aero a bit is nice

[timber falcon]

dont think ive seen scarf a9 before

is it there for weather war or another role?

[next stump]

could it be an age setting?

how old are you/what age did you put in the game

[winter thorn]

oh I will try making another user

Ty

[sudden remnant]

chat whatcha think

(its a mudsdale)

[timber falcon]

is this just a weird bug?

it said ive damage the glimmora but theres clearly no damage there

[clear mango]

Zoroark

[timber falcon]

why such high defence when its got stamina already?

[timber falcon]

i hit both

the zoroak fainted

[clear mango]

Oh, yeah. Fair.

[sudden remnant]

because i cant always rely on stamina i have no way to self proc it like beat up or any of that

[timber falcon]

yh was a bug

[sudden remnant]

its a trick room team with after you mega lopunny as a secondary option

[timber falcon]

charge ur phone 😭

[sudden remnant]

i am charging it the second one is what its at rn

[timber falcon]

so if ive got this right, its classic tr with mega lopunny as (fastest FO user) to help set up

how do you get mudscale up and running?

just do damage?

[sudden remnant]

mega lopunny also has after you and entrainment

[sudden remnant]

yessirrrr

[timber falcon]

why entrainment

[sudden remnant]

scrappy mudsdale body press

https://tenor.com/view/meu-gif-27420939

[timber falcon]

idk if mudscale is taking all those hits with only leftovers tho, at least not enought to get enough meaningful stamina boost before dying or tr running out

sinistcha maybe?

[sudden remnant]

my hatterene is gonna have lightscreen

[timber falcon]

thats helpful

i still think a little beat up somewhere cant hurt tho

to get body press going consistently

[sudden remnant]

no one im running gets it

[timber falcon]

also why mega ampharos? im assuming discharge

[sudden remnant]

si

and cuz i like amphy

[timber falcon]

what if, you went mega abomasnow aura veil

food for thought

[sudden remnant]

uh no

[timber falcon]

fair enough

[sudden remnant]

i did consider aurorus tho

[timber falcon]

same, ill definitely try make a team on it in the future

[molten oasis]

Weather into rain, speed control, freeze dry chunks basc for me

Outspending and icy winding mega aero is nice

[timber falcon]

and the defence on sneasler?

[sudden remnant]

whatcha think

[molten oasis]

Dual wingbeat from aero, not mega

[timber falcon]

wow didnt know people calicing for that nowadays

[sudden remnant]

yk sash aurorus sounds oretty good

or fiwam aurorus if i can calc it to live a hit from chomp and gambit

32+ Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Aurorus in Snow: 122-146 (61.6 - 73.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

wow

[timber falcon]

first time 1700+

[sudden remnant]

32+ Atk Kingambit Iron Head vs. 32 HP / 22+ Def Aurorus in Snow: 204-240 (88.6 - 104.3%) -- 18.75% chance to OHKO

[timber falcon]

ehhhhh

[sudden remnant]

32+ Atk Kingambit Iron Head vs. 32 HP / 24+ Def Aurorus in Snow: 196-232 (85.2 - 100.8%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO

32+ SpA Mega Charizard Y Solar Beam vs. 32 HP / 0 SpD Aurorus: 188-222 (81.7 - 96.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

is the fighting resist berry the chople berry

yes it is

10 SpA Aurorus Ancient Power vs. 2 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 132-160 (85.1 - 103.2%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

hm

[molten oasis]

It’s nice especially since you usually can proc the white herb just fine

[molten oasis]

It’s so slow dude

that typing isn’t good either

What are you going for with all that bulk?

[sudden remnant]

to live 1 hit and set up aurora veil

[sudden remnant]

also its a trick room team its supposed to be slow

[molten oasis]

Doesn’t sash a9 do that entire job better

[sudden remnant]

^^^^

[molten oasis]

A trick room team doesn’t need every single Mon to be a slow as a rock

You are allowed to have faster mons, especially when your tr is gone

What is the 6th rn anyway?

[sudden remnant]

after you mega lopunny

mega amphy hatterene tsareena mudsdale mega lopunny and sylveon currently

idk if i want the aurorus or not or who to slot for it if i do

[cyan smelt]

U must really hate rain

[molten oasis]

What on earth, mudsdale?

I think mega amphy could be cool for sure but why with Hatt? Wouldn’t Fari condense tsareena and hatt’s roles?

[cyan smelt]

I just don't think hatt is good without its partner in crime indeedee

[sudden remnant]

if only i cared

[sudden remnant]

tsareenas goal isnt just to sit there and prevent prio

its there to also smack stuff which farig cannot do without setup

[molten oasis]

Like what?

What does it need to hit

[sudden remnant]

the fish, aerodactyl, kingambit, ttar

and also opposing tsareena as well

[molten oasis]

Who tf is running tsareena

[sudden remnant]

quite a few people actually

[molten oasis]

I’ve seen like two and they did nothing

[sudden remnant]

then they disrespected my goat

[molten oasis]

Let’s stay within the meta, which tsareena isn’t

[sudden remnant]

you’re talking to the wrong guy pal

[molten oasis]

What’s the moveset? And how are you beating aero

[sudden remnant]

scarf triple axel

[molten oasis]

Just work with me man

[sudden remnant]

im running trop kick low kick triple axel uturn

[molten oasis]

Do you have a paste or something I could look at that would make this easier

[sudden remnant]

https://pokepast.es/874ef00ee0324997

i need to change lopunnys

but this is the gist of the team

[molten oasis]

Power gem? Doesn’t thunderbolt do everything power gem wants to do?

[sudden remnant]

except hit fire types

[molten oasis]

Wouldn’t Fari be a better Mon over Hatt

[sudden remnant]

im not swapping out my hatterene

[molten oasis]

Zard is a flying type and incin doesn’t like special attacks

[molten oasis]

Why?

[sudden remnant]

because i love hatterene and i worked hard for my shiny hatterene

[shadow wind]

😭😭😭

[sudden remnant]

what

[molten oasis]

sigh

I’m gonna bring this up as if I’m not arguing with a wall, your favorites are not always gonna work out. The meta is harsh right now, and no psyspam makes Hatt pretty mid

I worked hard for a bunch of my shit and a lot of it sits in the box

It’s just the nature of the game

If you want a niche mega to work you need to use the best tools you got

Sometimes maybe you can push a second one to fulfill a specific role for it but usually it’s not advised

[timber falcon]

i think rn your favourite CAN work tho

compared to when restricteds were allowed, its not as difficult to make niche strats work

[molten oasis]

Not necessarily

It’s depends on the mons around it

[timber falcon]

as long as you find a good enough role, and use a meta core, i think its possible to make a team around one of ur favs

[molten oasis]

Take Fari and incin for example in SV, they’re good Mons but they get way better when stronger mons are introduced

[timber falcon]

this is true tho

[cyan smelt]

I just think in such a limited format it's difficult to make niche mons work especially since some mons are so reliant on a partner

[molten oasis]

I think incin is in this weird state because of the current meta

[timber falcon]

ofc im not talking abt a full team of random low relevancy mons

[molten oasis]

While it’s a good Mon it’s threatened by every single top non mega Mon rn

And no amoonguss or rilla to help sucks

[cyan smelt]

Even rilla and amoonguss would be threatened by zard, aero, sneasler

[timber falcon]

in a weird way, feel as tho its dakr typing has lost a bit of value

especially now that psyspam is gone

[molten oasis]

That doesn’t matter they’re still good grass types to go against stuff like basc

If you wanna fight basc you get niche grass types or sini

[timber falcon]

zard Y wont just make grass irrelevant ofc

[molten oasis]

Gastro doesn’t make water types irrelevant

And zard can use those mons

I’m sure zard would appreciate a strong bulky grass type to deal with basc rn

[timber falcon]

i wonder what would knock it off its throne

seems like adding sv mons such as paradox is jst gonna make it stronger

[molten oasis]

True

[timber falcon]

god forbid a format where megas and the calys are legal

[molten oasis]

Primal groudon will kill some of its usage

Also we can use raging bolt against zard

[timber falcon]

true thats a nice wall

but then its paired with flutter

[molten oasis]

We’ll figure it out

Paradox are stupidly good mons

They’re gonna be good everywhere

[timber falcon]

i wonder if theyll be nerfed

urshifu was

[molten oasis]

Idk how you really nerf bolt or flutter

[timber falcon]

incin was

[molten oasis]

Flutter I guess movepool wise

Bolt would have to be a stat redistribution

[timber falcon]

bolt is defo smth like thndrclap

itd be mean

[molten oasis]

I think getting rid of thunderclap is a terrible idea

[timber falcon]

i meant nerfing

[molten oasis]

That’s the main guy to deal with shifu

[rustic mountain]

surely u know the things that check urshifu

i dont think the limited mon pool is gna b forever

[molten oasis]

It’s electric sucker punch if it was more widely spread idt it would be that bad

[molten oasis]

Amoonguss rilla bolt flutter, I guess floette and maybe zard would

[timber falcon]

i hope they dont add too many powerful mons tho, double restricted was a breaking point for me

[molten oasis]

Metagross and Mence would

[rustic mountain]

waterpon, kartana

[molten oasis]

In the CURRENT pool, we have sini and floette, and sylveon

[rustic mountain]

tapu fini

[molten oasis]

I hope we get tapus

[timber falcon]

floette check shifu?

[molten oasis]

how the fuck did Tapus auto correct to rapid

[rustic mountain]

no u said rapid u cant take it back

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-jake-hora-de-aventura-no-puede-ser-como-puede-ocurrir-esto-gif-24570696

cough anyway

[rustic mountain]

goated show

[molten oasis]

Dude it’s a fucking fairy type

Shifu doesn’t wanna see that

[rustic mountain]

yea

[molten oasis]

Phox, is a fat stretch but psychic obliterates it

Lass wouldn’t be half bad into it

I guess it would be ok

[rustic mountain]

probable set up w/ fake out user + tw support means urshifu prolly doesnt threaten or outspeed often (depending on team and board state ofc)

[timber falcon]

depends

[molten oasis]

Flutter consistently checked shifu throughout SV

how is floette any different? It’s gonna invest into its physical bulk and nuke it with moonblast

And shifu can’t Tera water to get the ko anymore

[timber falcon]

oh yah

[molten oasis]

That’s a big thing no Tera means it’s damage is more manageable

And unseen fist nerf ofc

[rustic mountain]

i get wat otot is saying tho, like it isnt exactly always favorable for the fairy type but generally its gna b something that threatens it is the overarching point

[timber falcon]

what abt dynamax

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/dobby-gif-22195730

I don’t want Dynamax man

[rustic mountain]

hopefully dmax is atleast a few years away

[molten oasis]

That sounds ass, Dynamax fucking raging bolt

you ain’t killing it now!

[rustic mountain]

u figure we get megas this year and then prolly new mechanic for gen 10 mid- end of next year

[timber falcon]

then well get guessing games with zard Y, zard Z, or dynamax

[molten oasis]

My worry about Dynamax is the new mons with it

But it’ll be the format zacian is good so there’s a plus, to many negatives

[molten oasis]

What are they gonna do?

[timber falcon]

ability still nerfed tho

[rustic mountain]

wdym

[molten oasis]

They did type change, “5th” move, big, and 4th evolutions

[rustic mountain]

idk dude theyll figure something out

[molten oasis]

I just hope they cook with it

[timber falcon]

i actually hope theyre very smart about the gimmicks. In all honesty there shouldnt be more than 2 at a time

[molten oasis]

Playing megas looks a lot more appealing

Tera is better mechanics wise

[timber falcon]

i miss tera

[molten oasis]

Gotta get that middle ground

[rustic mountain]

no im gna tera fire out of behemoth blade dmg

[molten oasis]

You miss the gambling of Tera ghost specs or Tera dark nasty plot CSR yeah ok man

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[molten oasis]

(I do too to an extent)

[timber falcon]

its gambling duh

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/green-alien-cat-green-alien-cat-meme-cat-rage-meme-angry-alien-cat-gif-16978295465898295971

[rustic mountain]

adjusting to no tera has been weird but i prefer it

[molten oasis]

I’m finding that too

[timber falcon]

ikr

[molten oasis]

I really like just knowing I have pins

Or knowing that I don’t need to worry about their Tera all game

[timber falcon]

but its also not as nice playing kommo-o knowing its dead to any fairy attack

[rustic mountain]

teras cool tho, i think its arguably the best gimmick theyve done

[molten oasis]

Tera also nerfed the power of a lot of things

[rustic mountain]

megas had a chance i just think too many are not good which sucks

[molten oasis]

It does

[timber falcon]

its the most balanced fo sure, they just look ugly

[rustic mountain]

i dont think it means every mega needed to be good but atleast make some of em like fit some kind of niche u can build around

[molten oasis]

I don’t understand shafting so many especially when some normal mons casually outclass some megas

Especially after Gen 9

[timber falcon]

like mega ampharos

[molten oasis]

Like I think it’s okay to let more than 3 be good

[rustic mountain]

nah i actually loved most of the tera hats hahaha

[molten oasis]

They were goofy

[rustic mountain]

yea

[molten oasis]

Stellar hat was peak

Steel hat was cool

[timber falcon]

pagos PTSD

[molten oasis]

I think Tera’s the best comp mechanic but I’m okay with it not being around rn

[timber falcon]

the day i stopped playing double restricted was one of the best days of my life

[molten oasis]

Okay tbf reg I was just kinda garbage

Reg g was fine, the first time but still

[timber falcon]

interesting to see toxapex getting play though

[molten oasis]

Reg I was, no horse or bike and you’re screwed

And riddled with incin, so many incins

[rustic mountain]

too bad the innovation came wen nobody really cares about reg i rn

[molten oasis]

Yeah

But tbf they gave us reg I for the third time

I think, or second

[rustic mountain]

2nd im pretty sure

we repeated multiple formats tho

[molten oasis]

Was thinking about reg g

[rustic mountain]

reg h, reg f, reg g and reg i all were repeated

[molten oasis]

Im dissapointed about reg f 2

[timber falcon]

i think i enjoyed the reg where they removed paradox and legendaries the most

[molten oasis]

Reg f 1 was really fun reg f 2, man

[rustic mountain]

reg f 2 sucked lmao

[molten oasis]

“Alright guys it’s time for my iteration of bolt balance!”

“Is it calm mind bolt? Av? Oh it’s life orb and the flutter has calm mind”

[rustic mountain]

i think honestly reg f 2 was probably worse then reg g 2 which is ludicrous to think about

[timber falcon]

then its just incin, urshifu, rilla, and 2 others

[molten oasis]

That’s kinda insane to think about

[timber falcon]

what was reg f and g again?

[molten oasis]

But you’re probably right I think the top like, 8 mons of reg f we’re just rough to constantly deal with it was not fun

[molten oasis]

All mons of sv+dlcs without restricted and single restricted

[rustic mountain]

for all the hate reg h 2 got it atleast pushed the meta forward in meaningful ways

[timber falcon]

oh yeah reg F sucked

i liked reg G more

[molten oasis]

The second time, first time we saw so many different teams

Then it uh, condensed to say the least

[timber falcon]

ran AV groudon in reg G, was good fun

[molten oasis]

Reg g was fine I think it was just hella mu roulette coded

[rustic mountain]

r u talkin reg f?

[molten oasis]

Yea

At least like the first half of the first go around

Reg f was pretty diverse

Then it became beat bolt balance

[rustic mountain]

nah id say most of reg f it was pretty continous w/ growth then towards the end after japan balance was discovered i think a lot more of the bolt ballance stuff popped up

[molten oasis]

Fair

[dense latch]

reg f 2 was hell for me

[molten oasis]

Then we got reg f 2 and that sucked ass

[rustic mountain]

then once it was time for it to return like there was some innovation but it just got kinda boring

[molten oasis]

The dengo moon stuff was really cool

And then it died

[rustic mountain]

ppl figured out breaking bolt balance but still

it was still around and most other teams had just different varieties of the top mons

[molten oasis]

I miss dengo lol

[timber falcon]

dengo with tera was hell idk

[molten oasis]

I think that every single time I try aegislash

[timber falcon]

dengo was too versataille for my liking

[molten oasis]

I’m just like “man this guy just isn’t dengo”

[rustic mountain]

aegislash is cool tho

[molten oasis]

It is, it’s just, worse than it half the time, but they can fulfill different roles

I’d just rather have make it rain

Dengo and moon are probably my most SV mons

[rustic mountain]

it got nerfed tho right

[molten oasis]

95 Acc

[timber falcon]

good nerf

[molten oasis]

It deserved it for the war crimes it committed

[rustic mountain]

lmfao

[molten oasis]

Should have done it to the horses but at least one of them got nerfed

[rustic mountain]

i actually think in this current meta

dengo wouldnt b that good

[molten oasis]

Nah zard makes its life too hard

Gambit and basc are too common as well

[rustic mountain]

gambit, basc lol yea

[molten oasis]

Like cool you have a check for sneasler

And it’s next to gambit so you just cry

[rustic mountain]

idt its bad per say but idt its gna b top dog like other formats

[molten oasis]

Garchomp too

[rustic mountain]

right

[molten oasis]

Tera helped it out a lot

[rustic mountain]

no specs

[molten oasis]

No life orb

Still wish we had amoonguss, but no goggles would have been so bad

Also glad we don’t have ursas rn

[foggy lodge]

Guss without googles would be so oppresive

[molten oasis]

Having a break from tr teams is just nice

[foggy lodge]

I think its crazy Venusaur is in the game without googles I don't want to imagine guss without googles

[molten oasis]

There’s the torkoal team sometimes or it’s just speed control and it’s whatever

[molten oasis]

I mean some sleep powder mons we’re gonna sneak in

At least one wasn’t jumpluff

[sudden remnant]

i have a 55% win rate with fucking leafeon mega banette sun. i think ill be fine.

[rustic mountain]

venu is not that oppressive lmao

[molten oasis]

that’s not all that good but ok

Venu’s kinda eh, I thought it be more common

[sudden remnant]

im winning more than half of my games.

[foggy lodge]

Nah it isn't but i think its crazy that they didn't add goggles as counterplay for it cuz atleast from my perspective they want to teach new players

[molten oasis]

Or av for special attackers but I get why no av, or specs or band

[rustic mountain]

would u really run goggles tho in this format

[molten oasis]

Goggles incin

[rustic mountain]

idk

[foggy lodge]

I think you actually may want them more for Sinistcha lol

[molten oasis]

Eh no amoonguss that would be ass

Sini isn’t amoonguss levels of common to

[rustic mountain]

i feel like most games u just dont hav an item

[shadow wind]

Yeah I honestly don’t think goggles would be good right now

[molten oasis]

Like at least when amoonguss is legal you can expect it within 3-5 games

Sini doesn’t pop up very much

[rustic mountain]

conner did u see tangs groudon vid

[shadow wind]

No?

[foggy lodge]

Also Venu fell in usage a lot idk why

[shadow wind]

Was it for his world’s run?

[molten oasis]

It’s damage output kinda blows

Sleep powder’s oppressive but inconsistent

[rustic mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ198faA75s

[foggy lodge]

that title🥀

[shadow wind]

The slander bruh

[molten oasis]

How didn’t zacian get there

[rustic mountain]

hahahah

[molten oasis]

I’m not gonna say it wasn’t down there it 100% was

[foggy lodge]

But he had pluff and conner hates pluff

[molten oasis]

However, I still think it was ever so slightly better than groudon

[shadow wind]

Pluff is just bad

[molten oasis]

Even if that isn’t popular opinion

[sudden remnant]

groudon slander is wild

[rustic mountain]

is it?

[molten oasis]

Oh just wait

Wait for restricteds in megas

It’s just biding its time

[rustic mountain]

he does start the vid mentioning it used to b one of the most dominant legends in the game. i think its fine acknowledging atleast in sv it wasnt its usual dominant self

[shadow wind]

I just don’t know how jumpluff does anything whims doesn’t

[molten oasis]

Sleep powder

[shadow wind]

Gamba

[foggy lodge]

But pluff is cool he is groudon's friend

[molten oasis]

I think it outspeeds booster flutter?

[mystic spade]

worst legendary, that's ragebait, everyone knows worst legendary is miraidon

[foggy lodge]

My friend's friend is my friend

[molten oasis]

I saw zacian giratina had a showing

[shadow wind]

I mean I ran pluff for a bit

I just never liked clicking powder

[molten oasis]

That shocked me like what’s with giratina randomly being okay sometimes

[mystic spade]

at utrecht?

[molten oasis]

Whatever the recent regional was

[rustic mountain]

u missed the sauce

[molten oasis]

I did

[mystic spade]

yea utrecht regionals day 1 was today

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

Different one then

[rustic mountain]

how could u not see giratina was it

[mystic spade]

and also there's a second regional in brazil that has no team sheet, no livestream, and no informtaion

[molten oasis]

Cuz giratina is usually fucking ass lmao

[mystic spade]

so maybe something interesting will happen there

[rustic mountain]

im kidding lmao who wouldve thought itd do anything

[foggy lodge]

The teams for Campinhas are out already

But nobody cares for reg I's meta atp unless you are looking to qualify for worlds anyways

[rustic mountain]

how do we know its even happening

[molten oasis]

Like I’m still all for Zacogre now that I’ve spent more time with it

[rustic mountain]

too late

[molten oasis]

Zac and pogre will be fun

[rustic mountain]

its now all about zard y aero

[molten oasis]

I hate that shit so much

[rustic mountain]

im running it

[molten oasis]

You would

[sudden remnant]

okay grandpa 🫩

[molten oasis]

Enjoy winning by double flinching the open do you?

[rustic mountain]

what am i double flinching w/

[shadow wind]

Oh also non related to anything but I am no longer 18

[rustic mountain]

oh like double rock slide flinch

[molten oasis]

The fucking rock slide spamming 150 speed dinosaur

Lmao

[sudden remnant]

welcome to the 19 club

[rustic mountain]

im not running mega aero

[foggy lodge]

happy birthday

i assume its your birthday

[molten oasis]

I hate aero, it’s so good rn which just means I have to deal with it

And 130-150 speed rock slides

[sudden remnant]

my age is starting to get scary i turn 20 next week

[molten oasis]

21 this year

[rustic mountain]

im usually the one getting flinched

[molten oasis]

Yeah you get flinched

[rustic mountain]

i will get some solid flinches here and there tho

[molten oasis]

They don’t

And when you do it either didn’t matter or clutched the game

Idk it’s still a headache of a Mon especially knowing they got a basc sitting in the back

[rustic mountain]

i had a game b4 i lost cuz of rock slide flinch they had scale shot i was like surely theres no rock slide, then i get flinched on chomp to miss out koing their -2 def chomp and outspeeding whims forcing them to tw the next turn

[molten oasis]

I’d be pissed

[foggy lodge]

my rant about aero and specially mega aero

[molten oasis]

That’s just lame lol

[rustic mountain]

i won the next 4

[foggy lodge]

Is that fucking jolly scarf basculegion is still slower than mega aerodactyl

[mystic spade]

I know a guy who made day 2

[molten oasis]

It sets me off when I’m on a losing streak

[rustic mountain]

sometimes u just chalk it up and gta move on

[mystic spade]

so I can confirm it's not a conspiracy theory Nodders

[molten oasis]

Like I’ve already lost and some aero flinched my phox and gambit

[rustic mountain]

oh yea mega aero dunks on phox

[molten oasis]

Also the random rock slide from random mons isn’t helpful

[foggy lodge]

but like you cant really run adamant anyways cuz scarf adamant is slower than mega gengar and base aero so you are technically running suboptimal Basculegion cuz you are jolly but you cant afford to run adamant and akjdlskdosjdlskdldkkdd

[molten oasis]

It’s ass, I’m playing scarf a9 because of it

[shadow wind]

You would be correct

[molten oasis]

Just to hit it with an icy wind and nuke it

[shadow wind]

Although Australia stuff so I think it’s still the 16th in most places

[sudden remnant]

who knew 150 speed was so good flashbacks of CSR

[molten oasis]

Basc’s speed tier is frustrating

[rustic mountain]

scarf adamant is slower? how tf am i outspeeding all these aeros

[molten oasis]

Super awkward

They’re adamant I guess lol

[foggy lodge]

I think scarf chomp w rock tomb is a cool anti aero tech tho

[molten oasis]

I’ve thought about that

[rustic mountain]

if u can get it

[molten oasis]

I just don’t wanna run scarf on my Garchomp

[rustic mountain]

if i can reasonably assume ur scarf and play around it, thx for the +2 gambit chump

[shadow wind]

Real

[foggy lodge]

We rock tomb + cc into it🦖

protects

[rustic mountain]

hahah wtf

[molten oasis]

Protects and loses chomp to the stray ice move

[rustic mountain]

is snealser sash cuz usually ill lead basc t1 and just threaten crash

[molten oasis]

I see way more white herb

[rustic mountain]

yea i just didnt know if maks was

[molten oasis]

I can’t not lead gambit into basc teams cuz if I don’t I fucking lose

[foggy lodge]

nah im not running rock tomb chomp

[rustic mountain]

yea ive played a few gambit players who lead it off rip

[molten oasis]

And don’t really wanna take their wave crash to protect something

[foggy lodge]

im a scovillain merchant bruh idk why its the mega that stuck the more with me

[molten oasis]

It’s so hard to deal with

[rustic mountain]

in the correct spot, 100%

[molten oasis]

I’m running Tauros but it’s on rain half the time so I can’t bring it

And I think Gyara sucks

[foggy lodge]

It's so annoying when they have bascu and gambit in the back and you just lose cuz you didn't save enough resources to take them out

[rustic mountain]

right lmao

[foggy lodge]

AND FOR SOME REASON IVE SEEN PEOPLE USE SUPREME OVERLORD WITH BASCULEGION AND EVERYTHING BLOWS UP IN THE ENDGAME

[molten oasis]

I’ve seen that once I was so mad

[foggy lodge]

fr LMAO

[molten oasis]

I couldn’t win the game because of it

[foggy lodge]

And like lowkey in bo1 cts its not bad cuz most people wont bring incin into like

[rustic mountain]

i had a nice pin forced earlier, gambit zard vs low hp aero sylv, let sylv die, protect aero to deny sucker punch (they did) so the next turn i have zard pressure on my end and if they protect gambit rock slide hits their zard

[foggy lodge]

Bascu gambit sneasler anyways so you can get away with being supreme overlord

[rustic mountain]

they had to play to a miss but they didnt

[foggy lodge]

• incin is just decreasing in usage

[molten oasis]

I don’t see incin much

[rustic mountain]

its def around

[molten oasis]

For sure, I still see it

[rustic mountain]

milotics fallen off but even still

[molten oasis]

Kinda glad that happened

[rustic mountain]

its like, not as amazing

[molten oasis]

Milo’s annoying

[rustic mountain]

i never had issues w/ milo

[molten oasis]

I’m playing phox, so I did lol

[rustic mountain]

it doesnt do enough

[molten oasis]

Or it would burn my gambit and I’d just lose

[rustic mountain]

lmao

i had one running kings rock and scald flinched my gambit

[molten oasis]

What the fuck lmao

[rustic mountain]

i couldnt figure out wat happened for like a week

[foggy lodge]

Drago you have to trust

[rustic mountain]

then i saw kings rock was in the game

[molten oasis]

I’m not playing kings rock Milo bruh

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/scovillain-pokemon-pokémon-grass-type-fire-type-gif-12884012653951040847

[molten oasis]

[rustic mountain]

scovs cool

[molten oasis]

I still stand by scovillain being okay

[rustic mountain]

it seems to have fallen off

[foggy lodge]

Im starting to like Scovillain due to reg M-A

[molten oasis]

I respect it

But I don’t think it’s that great

[foggy lodge]

Like im starting to like the Pokémon itself

[cyan smelt]

Even burn chip is handy

[molten oasis]

I’m still on phox cuz everything else I try is either hot garbage or doesn’t click

[rustic mountain]

i liked it in sv, i wish it had more use case then

[molten oasis]

Sad mega Gengar didn’t click

[foggy lodge]

yeah it was just a weird gimmicky mon in sv

[rustic mountain]

perish stuff?

[foggy lodge]

Mega makes it a legit mon but its still a niche mega

[molten oasis]

I tried disable stuff too it just didn’t click

[rustic mountain]

i think it caught ppl off cuz nobody thought itd b useable but now its like, outside maybe a few players who r cracked its not really showing out anywhere

[molten oasis]

Lass is just not in a good spot rn

I’m not really in the mood to play zard or floette so I’m just chillin with phox

[rustic mountain]

frosslass along w. delphox kinda feel similar, mons that felt not good that ppl made work that went back to being just kinda meh

[molten oasis]

Ive thought about trying Ttar phox again I just don’t think it’s gonna work

[molten oasis]

I agree, I like and think I’m good with phox but it’s not in a good spot

Positioning it is rough

[rustic mountain]

very

[foggy lodge]

The fall of was crazy

[shadow wind]

Could spicy extract stuff come back?

I remember a spicy extract foul play combo that was funny

[molten oasis]

Ttar just, idk I want faster megas and most of those faster megas just feel bad

The viable mega pool is so fckn low

[foggy lodge]

Scov went from having 4 in top cut of a VR and winning it and the next one idt i saw any scov in day 2 lmao

[rustic mountain]

comps got better + ppl figuring out how to optimally play into it. i think zard y being so good hurts it a lot

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

Yea fs

[foggy lodge]

Zard Y + Mega Aero is super rough for it

[molten oasis]

The wall falls over to zard so I haven’t bothered with it

[rustic mountain]

the wall made of paper

[foggy lodge]

Mega Aero has felt surprisingly strong tho

[molten oasis]

It’s super good rn

It’s in a good spot

I’ve wanted to try mega manectric it just doesn’t do shit

[rustic mountain]

its a support mega

[molten oasis]

It can’t support anything

[rustic mountain]

arch

[molten oasis]

Uhm, arch? They both hate chomp tho

[rustic mountain]

mega has intimidate

[molten oasis]

What does it do better than smth like sableye tho?

[rustic mountain]

tang featured the team iirc he did p well w/ it

[molten oasis]

Like my thought is like, the top team has 3 guys weak to electric

[rustic mountain]

do a bit more damage

[molten oasis]

SURELY it can do something

[rustic mountain]

i think its fine

[molten oasis]

I’ll give it a shot I guess

Maybe that’ll be the other mega that clicks

[shadow wind]

I always liked Manectric

[rustic mountain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjKD3gGANIo

[wet light]

Sucks that some of these megas would be better competitively if they were just regular evolutions instead :/

[rustic mountain]

i watched it, seems more like its just about enabling the partners moreso then it itself being a big dmg dealer

[foggy lodge]

Sucks more cuz the megas on some of them means they will never get buffed

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

It’s definitely in that role of support mega

[rustic mountain]

hate to say i called it

[shadow wind]

Drago you wanna build a manectric team?

[foggy lodge]

Like how much did it cost to give Chimecho a good ability🥀

Well levitate is cool but it just doesn't cut it as a mega

[rustic mountain]

it sucks

the mon not levitate

[shadow wind]

Bronzong just does it better

[foggy lodge]

Scovillain was slightly saved

[rustic mountain]

is bronzong in the game

[shadow wind]

Nah

[foggy lodge]

Mega Metagross once it comes

[rustic mountain]

was gna say figured id see it atleast once if it was

[molten oasis]

Sure

[rustic mountain]

u know watd b cool to have back, ferrothorn

[molten oasis]

True

[rustic mountain]

threatens 2/3 of the top guys

[foggy lodge]

Leech seed!!!

[rustic mountain]

an actual useable good grass type

[foggy lodge]

I like leech seed mons a lot

[shadow wind]

Awesome

I’ll dm later

[rustic mountain]

celesteela

[wet light]

Everyone stars using Zard Y then

[rustic mountain]

every1 already is

[wet light]

Even more

[molten oasis]

If you’re not you’re using floette or playing rain

Like I feel like that’s the other big options rn

[rustic mountain]

sand is around

[molten oasis]

True forgot about sand

[rustic mountain]

it can b quite good into zard y if played well

like outside just ok rock slide kos u lol cuz ofc basc and chomp r on those teams too

[molten oasis]

Fs

[rustic mountain]

which like i feel like u should b bringing into sand as a zard y player

[shadow wind]

Sand just explodes into chomp

[rustic mountain]

i lost to 1 that was running ice punch on ttar

climbing to mball yday on cart

[shadow wind]

I was running ice punch Ttar

[rustic mountain]

they also just did not protect exca infront of wave crash and then heat wave which was interesting

[shadow wind]

Low kick is whatever when every gambit is running chople anyway

[rustic mountain]

ig

[molten oasis]

Eh

[rustic mountain]

imo still nice to pressure w/ but yea idt ice punch is necessarily trolling

[molten oasis]

You still do way more than you could otherwise

[shadow wind]

This is true

[rustic mountain]

i wanna know if m-b keeps this pool of mons

[foggy lodge]

i would guess they will add more mons

[molten oasis]

Uhm

Would m-b be worse if they just switched the pools?

[foggy lodge]

but a bit small maybe like 100 mons and some new items

[rustic mountain]

its a whole new set of items and mons thats more terrain based and baxcaliburs new ability sets frozen terrain which boosts ice moves and halves the damage of fairy

[timber falcon]

Is M-A three months total like in sv?

[rustic mountain]

2

[molten oasis]

Itll probably just keep thermal exchange

Bax should be ok

[rustic mountain]

u want it to b good so itll b mid, plz dont say that

[molten oasis]

I think it would be hot garbage rn tho

[rustic mountain]

every mega uve wanted good hasnt been dont jinx it

[molten oasis]

Of the 4 top mons, it Beats 1

[foggy lodge]

Drago everytime you want a mon to be good turns mid

[molten oasis]

[foggy lodge]

Zacian believer
Delphox believer
Kyogre believer

[molten oasis]

I want falinks to be good

[rustic mountain]

cracking up

[molten oasis]

Now it won’t be

[rustic mountain]

its gna b so mid fuck

[foggy lodge]

Worst streak than Conner

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

Yk what imma keep it going

[rustic mountain]

lmfao

[shadow wind]

Huh

Groudon will be the good is the thing

[rustic mountain]

will b the good

[shadow wind]

And I loved him at his worst so I’m allowed to play him at his best

[molten oasis]

Hm let’s see, mega staraptor is gonna be great guys

[shadow wind]

Not like these soon to be larpers

[molten oasis]

Oh I think uh, Tatsu has potential too

[rustic mountain]

was this all a multi year psyop just so wen primal comes back u wont have ppl saying ur a meta chump

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/arnaque-fraud-alert-warning-gif-15267429

[molten oasis]

Okay Delphox is probably the best of the 3 let’s be honest

[foggy lodge]

Somehow

[rustic mountain]

i think zacian was

[molten oasis]

Eeeehhh

[rustic mountain]

delphox not day 2ing worlds

[molten oasis]

Zacian struggled throughout those formats

Kyogre ended up just eating shit to miraidon and koraidon

I don’t think that’s my fault that’s the 2 stupid bikes faults

[shadow wind]

Does that really sound like something I’d do?

[molten oasis]

Levitate was mean

[rustic mountain]

its teras fault honestly

[molten oasis]

I get it but still

Okay true Tera fucked over zacian and kyogre

The guys they were good into were always Tera water or some shit

[rustic mountain]

haha like zacian actually does well into the bikes in a lot of cases

[molten oasis]

“I win into the CIR with my perfect positioned zacian!”
tera fire

[shadow wind]

Nah Groudon with primal or not is still my goat

[rustic mountain]

tera just made it so it was like sorry actually i live and i ko u now

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/dumbo-t1-lol-league-of-legends-esports-gif-15310081642824361258

Genuinely felt like that EVERY DAMN TIME

I really do think zacian will be better with Tera gone

And pogre as a partner

[rustic mountain]

it will

still wont b wat it was but def more useable

[molten oasis]

It also chunks pogre because its physical defense is the exact same and that’s cool

It will lose if it gets stuck infront of pdon

[molten oasis]

It’ll never be what it was but it’ll have a niche of ko’ing half the viable restricted pool

[rustic mountain]

half?

[molten oasis]

And being something for xerneas which ik pogre struggled with

[molten oasis]

I keep forgetting 70% of them are dragons

And then there’s Yveltal and xerneas, and mega ray

[rustic mountain]

yveltal, mirai, xern, korai

[molten oasis]

It’s okay into Lunala

[rustic mountain]

caly ice

[foggy lodge]

Pogre Zac vs Pdon Xerneas is just whoever wins the weather wins

[molten oasis]

Most lmao

[molten oasis]

They’re counterparts yea

Both get some stupid fairy

[foggy lodge]

Mega Ray Zac😨

[rustic mountain]

decent chunk then primal ogre threatens p much everything else

[molten oasis]

I don’t know if that’s gonna be good

They can’t hit steel types and hate incin

Oh wait shifu, nevermind I solved it

[rustic mountain]

mega ray seems meh, another thing zacian eats actually if its somehow viable

[molten oasis]

We get pogre moon zacian

What mega do you use

Is that a mega Gengar type of team?

[rustic mountain]

if u primal evolve u can mega too?

[molten oasis]

Yep

[rustic mountain]

bruh

[molten oasis]

Primal is its own thing, that’s why mega Gengar pogre won worlds

[rustic mountain]

dual restricted primal meta boutta b insane

[molten oasis]

It is lol

[rustic mountain]

oh right lol

[foggy lodge]

No fr it's insane

[molten oasis]

Uhm, mega Mence maybe?

[rustic mountain]

idk

[molten oasis]

Mega dnite ain’t doin shit

[rustic mountain]

i wanna focus on this format where basc is my 2nd mega

[molten oasis]

Basc is stupid

[rustic mountain]

it is

[molten oasis]

It’s damage is ridiculous rn and we have no good grass types except sini and mega venu

Which both then explode to last respects

[rustic mountain]

tsareena

[molten oasis]

Meow a weird anti meta pick rn ig

[cyan smelt]

Meganium?

[rustic mountain]

tru

[molten oasis]

Idt meganium’s good

[rustic mountain]

meganium fell off

[molten oasis]

Sylveon just clicks hyper beam

[rustic mountain]

its in the frosslass/delphox tier of oh this thing is actually better then we thought, oh wait nvm its just ok

[molten oasis]

Or you play mega venu

[molten oasis]

It’s like b tier

They’re usable but not great

[rustic mountain]

id put that in c tier tbh

[cyan smelt]

I think people just like garchomp delphox because they cover each other's weaknesses

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

Imo c tier is like niche

[foggy lodge]

New toy síndrome

[molten oasis]

S is top tiers
A is meta
B is good
C is niche
D is very niche
F is garbage

[rustic mountain]

c tier to me is wat u just said useable but not great, b tier is solid, a tier is good, s tier is peak

[molten oasis]

I think phox and lass are both solid

They aren’t going anywhere else

Because there’s better megas like Gengar and zard

[rustic mountain]

yea we can rank em differently i think dnite and venu are more b tier then froslass and delphox and meganium

[molten oasis]

Fair enough

[rustic mountain]

a tier is like mega gengar, mega aero s tier is zard y and floette

probably would put scov either high c or low b tier

[molten oasis]

I, probably should get around to playing mega zard

[cyan smelt]

Where's blastoise

[rustic mountain]

blastoise id put in b tier

maybe a tier

[molten oasis]

I like its design it’s just everywhere

And mirrors suck ass

[rustic mountain]

dude after playing phox myself, zard is like that on steroids

[foggy lodge]

Ancient power zard y raaaa

[rustic mountain]

oh wait i can sit here and not get koed to sucker punch

is such a nice feeling

[molten oasis]

Mm

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-lee-weights-naruto-chunin-exams-flex-gif-26433140

[rustic mountain]

dude like actually

[molten oasis]

I’ll probably try zard whimsi stuff

I don’t really wanna be playing zard aero

[rustic mountain]

glimm is cool

the whims zard glimm teams

[molten oasis]

Oh yeah Glimm picked up

[rustic mountain]

hard to play vs hahah

[molten oasis]

Is it sash Glimm?

[rustic mountain]

usually yea

coba berry whims bulky

[molten oasis]

What item is the whimsi?

Bah

[foggy lodge]

Ive even seen sitrus whimsi

[molten oasis]

What’s the coba berry?

[rustic mountain]

flying resist

[foggy lodge]

Cuz i think you can live dual wingbeat from base aero even without the berry and you live from the mega

[molten oasis]

To eat, what wingbeat?

Mk

[rustic mountain]

wat mak said

[molten oasis]

I’ll try it out

[rustic mountain]

bulky enough to live base and if mega'd berry procs and u live regardless

[molten oasis]

I think as much as I like mega phox, it’ll be better with better tools

And when metagross is legal that was a BIG reason why I wanted to use it

It outspeeds and threatens it and I think that’s cool

[foggy lodge]

I think the meta just doesn't appreciate any of Mega Phox's traits

[rustic mountain]

also too like if u wanna use zard, x actually isnt bad atm

[molten oasis]

It does not, it wants zards traits

[rustic mountain]

like if u didnt wanna use y cuz its so common

[molten oasis]

I think phox wants amoonguss

[foggy lodge]

Its full of aero bascu gambit zard y incin

[molten oasis]

Like so bad like man

Amoonguss would be so nice rn

[rustic mountain]

what meta does?

if it cant sustain here, its only gna get worse

[foggy lodge]

And it lost even more ground when wide guard aero picked up in usage

That moment it just died

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[molten oasis]

A meta with more things to put it above zard in different ways

[foggy lodge]

True

[molten oasis]

I think when I was trying the reg h pre champs thing it felt like it was its own thing

Instead of being worse zard y

[foggy lodge]

like ughhhh the only way they can make it work in future formats is that every mon added after this reg and its good is in some way weak to delphox

[molten oasis]

Metagross but ig zard does that

[rustic mountain]

i think adding stuff like shroom means u also get stuff like mence and dozo and w/e that just become way worse for it, even a board state of zard y + solid partner into shroom delphox just loses to heat wave cuz ur forced to protect shroom or switch and eat chunks of dmg

[molten oasis]

sigh

I guess that’s true

[rustic mountain]

cuz im just gna ignore shroom and last respects of even wave crash in the sun + heat wave on delphox and force ur protect on shroom or w/e it switching in

or have mence that enables a partner, also threatens shroom and resists ur main spread atk

[molten oasis]

I tried I guess, wish they didn’t shaft every single fucking other mega

[rustic mountain]

like idk i feel things become more hostile to those kind of mons i dont think they get better ususally

[foggy lodge]

Im expecting mega bax to be atleast decent but after seeing how feraligatr turned out idk im not sure anymore

[rustic mountain]

if things r gna get worse for basc, things somehow get better for delphox? i mean maybe but usually those mons trend even further down

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-meme-stan-twt-funny-buckspendragon-five-nights-at-freddy's-gif-12343632953581257123

[molten oasis]

Bax I think is just ability dependent

[rustic mountain]

yep

[molten oasis]

Dragonize is just kinda okay as an ability

It sounded cool and then we learned it just wasn’t

[rustic mountain]

they wont double up for bax w/ that

[molten oasis]

I think if it keeps thermal exchange I’d be happy

[cyan smelt]

Sucks being walled by whims

[rustic mountain]

it is cool, ferilgatr just sucks

[molten oasis]

Or slush rush DO IT GAME FREAK IT BE FUNNY

[foggy lodge]

Clear body fuck it

[cyan smelt]

With feraligatr

[rustic mountain]

lmfao

whims does wall mega ferilgatr thats hilarious

[molten oasis]

pfff

[foggy lodge]

True

[molten oasis]

The cotton ball taking on dragons is a funny thought

[foggy lodge]

Like i expected it to do something cuz it hits super hard but

Theres a reason why Rampardos isnt the best pokemon in the game lmao

[rustic mountain]

i thought itd atleast b ok

[foggy lodge]

And Fera suffers from that too

[rustic mountain]

in a lot of similar ways, yea

[molten oasis]

Don’t shaft bax please

Those stats are crazy lol

[rustic mountain]

i also think too like floette makes ferilgatr miserable, sure its not like everywhere per say but its common enough

[molten oasis]

That typing could hold it back, aw fuck floette is gonna make bax’s life misery

[foggy lodge]

Sylveon too

[molten oasis]

And sneasler and gambit FUCK

https://tenor.com/view/green-alien-cat-green-alien-cat-meme-cat-rage-meme-angry-alien-cat-gif-16978295465898295971