competitive_discussion

[cerulean nacelle]

Probably not a lot. It has no coverage.

Other than dragon pulse lmao.

[bold geode]

Pledge moves saw use in Reg H and even then it wasn't Serperior

[mighty stump]

contrary scarf leaf storm kek

[bold geode]

Yeah you probably just do that and go yeah 5 good guys and be done

[keen sigil]

Yea

[leaden fox]

Yeah, usually saw it from Serperior or Meowscarada since those are the fastest grass starters

[keen sigil]

I've had a bit of luck with gastro acid on serperior just shutting down some megas and arch

Also does well into rain and sand teams

But I HATE zard y

[bold geode]

[leaden fox]

Wait until the Z Megas come in 😅

[cerulean nacelle]

I don't think any of the Z megas are gonna be that good.

[bold geode]

Honestly just
Yeah put Serp with some good mons that can hurt Zard Y like Aerodactyl or Rock Slide Garchomp

Yeah just 5 good mons + Serperior

[leaden fox]

They can be, just depends on the teams one can build around them

[bold geode]

Honestly at least you could do that there

They put Emolga in the game

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm not saying they can't be used. Most pokemon can. I just don't think they're gonna be meta defining.

[leaden fox]

Garchomp Z may be more a threat, but who knows yet

[cerulean nacelle]

Losing nasty plot kinda hurts it, making it more of a just draco meteor spamming mon. And losing its ground typing is a double edged sword.

But we're yet to know abilities. So we shall see.

[bold geode]

I think the guys over Champs said they wanted to show what was "strongest" before (thing they said regarding no pre evos) and I think they probably put Emolga in the game just to show like "yeah this guy ain't the strongest"

[leaden fox]

In before we get a situation where it's ability makes it so that Ground type moves get STAB still (similar to Dhelmise and it's ability)

[cerulean nacelle]

That'd be really funny

Honestly they've done worse with megas such as not giving mega drampa drizzle.

So maybe for their favourite poster boy dragon they'll not drop the ball.

[keen sigil]

For anyone wondering this is the team I'm running, I peaked 2150 last season with this

[leaden fox]

Plus Garchomp gets Power Gem; a 100% acc Rock move 😅

And Scorching Sands xP

[cerulean nacelle]

Ain't nobody using scorching sands on chomp z when it has access to earth power.

[cerulean nacelle]

Also, 80 BP on power gem is typically what holds it back as an actually good stab.

And it's not even stab on chomp.

[cerulean nacelle]

Ewebs rotom hype!

Nice team my dude.

I also appreciate the taunt on incin. That's an underrated move on incin rn.

[mighty stump]

THEY REMOVED DARKEST LARIAT FROM SNORLAX!?!?

[dense latch]

this is how i learn snorlax even learned lariat before

[bold geode]

It's over

[rustic mountain]

y

[bold geode]

Why we benching the best 3 point shooter like that

[rustic mountain]

oh, yea

idk man i couldnt understand it

[solid frigate]

Am I seeing things

Mega Abomasnow in big 26

[cerulean nacelle]

Mega abomasnow do be good on TR sometimes.

I was considering it instead of mega garde but I'm using aurorus so I just used mega garde instead.

[neat dust]

yall ready for Tera fairy xerneas?

[solid frigate]

not in TR lol

and froslass exists so dimished its value

[cerulean nacelle]

I mean, kinda. Their differing speed stats make em play completely differently.

[cerulean nacelle]

This is surprising however.

[sudden remnant]

bro every time ive run into an abomasnow its just died instantly

inside or outside of tr

[sudden remnant]

90/105/105 should be good but man it dies easily

[timber falcon]

Doesn’t hit as hard as I thought it would

[sudden remnant]

gen 3 special

they invested too much of the bst into the other attacking stat

which is interesting cuz its a gen 4 pokemon

[solid frigate]

Oh it’s less bulk than I thought

Atp just run Froslass lol

Hits even harder and better typing for compensation of More fragile than Obamasnow

[sudden remnant]

abomasnow is still frail cuz of its horrible typing

[split stone]

Whats with people using scary face. Which is just a bad move

[sudden remnant]

i mean its speed control i guess

https://tenor.com/view/i-guess-bro-i-guess-bro-bro-what-whatever-you-say-gif-16572066316579867256

a zard this morning scary faced my leafeon and my leafeon was still faster lmao

[split stone]

Its better to increase your own speed instead of decreasing the opponent

[sudden remnant]

not necessarily

[split stone]

And now I battle someone who use scary face twice in a row to a already slow pokemon

[neat dust]

Bot

[split stone]

Which did nothing and one shot there pokemon anyway

[neat dust]

nobody wastes 1/4 moves on scare face 🫩

Has to be bot games

[sudden remnant]

probably lmao

my chlorophyll leafeon was still faster

[sudden remnant]

chat why cant some people just be decent human beings

🫩

[molten oasis]

This format, is awful, I’m done until next reg

[molten oasis]

Lowkey might play reg I ladder until that dies

[neat dust]

Showdown?

man atleast that shit has eviolite

[sudden remnant]

im watching this new anime and i quite like it so far

[neat dust]

I quashed electro shot a charizard y and didn’t click rain dance and lost a game in poke ball tier

✌️

[sudden remnant]

lmao

[neat dust]

Back to tyranitar I go 👀

[sudden remnant]

my team has some rough patches i gotta work on but it functions mostly as i planned

[neat dust]

what’s the big issue if there is any

[sudden remnant]

whimsicott

and bright powder fucking incineroar

[neat dust]

haha

aura sphere that guy

[sudden remnant]

i dont have aura sphere 🫩

[neat dust]

whimsicott is fodder just switch out

[sudden remnant]

the issue is it can tailwind before i can

[neat dust]

switching out makes Whimsicott useless because most likely they will double and a lot of them run moonblast

If the Whimsicott can’t do anything you can make it a 2v1

Put trick room on

Then you move first no matter what

[sudden remnant]

but then i cant bring leafeon

[neat dust]

It’s possible

if there is no tailwind your good anyway

[sudden remnant]

chlorophyll leafeon outspeeds even some mons in tailwind

and im runninng only 2 speed evs

[neat dust]

Yo

[sudden remnant]

wsp

[neat dust]

Why are dudes running heat wave char x

just blew my tar team

[sudden remnant]

i saw fire punch non mega zard

[neat dust]

🫩

these char x players have to be stopped

[sudden remnant]

i also saw dragon rush zard x lmao

and a mega feraligatr tried to double edge my sylveon

and on that same turn their sneasler tried to fake out my fih

[cyan smelt]

Bots

[neat dust]

dragonite players also have to be stopped

[sudden remnant]

it wasnt a bot unfortunately

they had tokens on their profile and a title

[neat dust]

this guy Megad and protected turn 1 and destroyed his multiscale

Has to be studied

[neat dust]

What are you trying to outspeed by running 2 evs

Is it the main threats

[sudden remnant]

117 doubled is 234

[neat dust]

Yo I gotta lock in I just lost 2 games in a row in poke ball there

tier

[sudden remnant]

which outspeeds max speed jolly mega aerodactyl by a lot

max speed jolly mega aerodactyl only hits 218

[neat dust]

I’d say lead choice fish but fish doesn’t one shot mega without rain

before it can set tailwind

[sudden remnant]

if the aero megas i wont outspeed anyways

[neat dust]

I’m pretty sure choice fish is slower than aero

Unless

You run mystic water aqua jet in rain

[sudden remnant]

i think scarf fish in is only 212

[neat dust]

Priority would fix the problem

You wouldn’t need speed

Like what people do with cringe gambit

spam sucker black glasses

[sudden remnant]

um

its a sun team. i dont HAVE rain.

[neat dust]

Damn basc is doing pillow dmg

go ahead switch to rotom

[sudden remnant]

its not

have you calced basc wave crash in sun

bro does not care about the sun at all

[neat dust]

That’s good damage but there no speed

aero gets tailwind then partner kills ur basc

it needs to be

Basc 1 shots aero no tailwind then whatever

[timber falcon]

not much OHKOs Basc even under tw

[sudden remnant]

zard solar beam

[timber falcon]

i cant think of a relaible aero partner besides maybe zard yeah

[sudden remnant]

i could run a bit less speed but like

[timber falcon]

even so more people are opting for bulky zard so youd have to calc

[sudden remnant]

i know it wont ohko bulky zard

but it will do enough to set me up for success

also whats with the rise in ditto bro

[neat dust]

Ditto is such a 50/50

[timber falcon]

134 basc is enough to always outpseed sash aero

[cerulean nacelle]

That's what ice grass does to you. Terrible defensive typing. Almost 0 merit.

[neat dust]

Steel rock is even worse

[timber falcon]

is it even great offensively? cant hit fire nor steel

easy pickings for incin

[sudden remnant]

it would be if it had better offense than 132 in both attack stats

[cerulean nacelle]

Its OK into rain. I saw some mega camerupt teams using it as a second mega.

Since you can actually hit archaludon quite hard with blizzard and you can hit basc and such with energy ball

[sudden remnant]

fih

[cerulean nacelle]

But it's so specific that I opted for mega garde instead and use aurorus as a blizzard spammer.

[neat dust]

Anytime i see female basc I instantly think bot

[sudden remnant]

am i a bot then

[timber falcon]

or maybe theyve got a sinister niche planned

[neat dust]

I don’t know how you play

[cerulean nacelle]

Also yes steel rock is bad but at least it has some key resistances and an immunity.

Grass ice is just bad straight up.

[timber falcon]

i always find myself weary of odd pokemon

after skill swap Wrydeer ruined me

[sudden remnant]

like my mega banette?

😁

[cerulean nacelle]

OH GOD... THERES A FUCKING VIVILLON

[neat dust]

I think bot because they all run muddy water and they have heliolisk 😭

[sudden remnant]

i mean why not run surf if you have the lizard

[timber falcon]

your banette is some CTS bs😭

id be fooled

[sudden remnant]

what can i say im a cts demon

[neat dust]

yea why not but it can be easily stopped cuz it’s the level 1 play

[sudden remnant]

you never know what to expect from me

[sudden remnant]

you can use it to heal your lizard even if the opponent wide guards

[neat dust]

Your bannete would make me mad lol

😭 😭

[sudden remnant]

cts demon remember? i have reasons for each and every stupid thing i do

[timber falcon]

would have me protecting cause of poltergeist only to watch some support bs

[sudden remnant]

thats literally the whole point lmao

[neat dust]

This is why we run kasib berry

[sudden remnant]

just for it to click destiny bond

😝

[timber falcon]

160 attack mega with prankster is such a troll lmao

[sudden remnant]

i love it cuz you dont know what im gonna do with it

[neat dust]

Skill swap

Destiny bond poltergeist

[sudden remnant]

i mean i could but there are so many other things to do instead

[neat dust]

I wouldn’t put protect on that one if I were you

[sudden remnant]

i crippled a sand team with prankster sunny day

i was laughing so hard when they megad their ttar just for me to take the sand away cuz i predicted it

[neat dust]

mega to set weather turn 1 is such a rookie thing to do your zard just dies cuz it’s so predictable

this is why we don’t copy teams 😂

[sudden remnant]

it was a ttar and it wasnt turn 1

it was turn 3 id already taken the sand away before with ninetales

all id revealed on banette at that point was swagger

[neat dust]

swagger 😭 😭 😭 😭 ✌️

[sudden remnant]

banette might be MY mega bro

[neat dust]

You can have it

[cerulean nacelle]

Lol, ancient power camerupt killing zard Y will never not be funny.

[neat dust]

ancient power camerupt 😭 😭

unreal

[timber falcon]

anything to OHKO zard

[neat dust]

accelerock lycanroc

[cerulean nacelle]

Ironically, the coverage for zard Y is good.

[sudden remnant]

thanks 🙏🏻 😊

[gentle crag]

naganohara_vexae has given 1 Gen Rep to 2raeeee

[neat dust]

Everyone forgets about that 4x weakness

[timber falcon]

do they?

[neat dust]

like

Is tyranitar not the goat ?????

[timber falcon]

ive seen some bulky zard cause of rock

[neat dust]

I run Ty on all my teams

[hollow fossil]

If i want any of the 6 za starter mega stones, but i dont have za myself, would i need someone to transfer their own pokemon from there to home and then trade with me?

[neat dust]

I can’t be stopped cuz zard team copies are everywhere

[cerulean nacelle]

I just think people don't know what camerupts are gonna run lol.

[neat dust]

yeah cuz that guy is mixed

[timber falcon]

#lza_discussion probably better for this info

[neat dust]

The pokemon would need to be from za

if it’s from za and you put it in home that’s the only way you get the stone

[cerulean nacelle]

Nah I'm full special attack. Just ancient power for the zard is rlly good rn. I was on flash cannon for mega floette but I realised sheer force boosted earth power and heat wave typically did enough.

[hollow fossil]

Fair

[sudden remnant]

like banette is a ghost type with prankster which means it gets like every support move ever its so good

[cerulean nacelle]

Though like... sheer force boosted ancient power from 60 to 78 because 1.3 boost is such a funny difference.

You can never omni boost and you have a basically worse power gem.

[neat dust]

mega camerupt is so underrated because of a 4x weakness to water but it doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things

tyranitar has dominated scizor has dominated alolan ninetales is killing it

4x weaknesses aren’t that crazy

especially if the weakness can be -50% with weather

[cerulean nacelle]

Camerupt is so fun. I will admit I gotta play smarter against rain, because my team has 3 water weaknesses. But mega camerupt has been putting in work. I can't fight constantly due to studying but I'll easily make it back to master rank bare minimum.

[neat dust]

Sheer force is good for mixed attackers too

because it’s not likke tough claws you don’t need to make contact

I used to run mixed attacking landorus and I was killing it

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah sheer force is a good ability. Especially if it's not tied to a mega so you can just spam life orb + sheer force in other formats.

[sudden remnant]

landorus intensifies

[neat dust]

Smeargle mixed attacking primal groudon was so funny

It’s gonna be even funnier now because that dude can learn decorate

[sudden remnant]

😨

[neat dust]

nobody is stopping me

😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

[chrome knot]

follow me

[neat dust]

Is oachirisu legal

[chrome knot]

larp incoming

[neat dust]

hahaha

Wait how did you know I would larp this

[sudden remnant]

no pachirisu isnt here

the only pikaclones we got are dedene and emolga, right?

[foggy lodge]

morpeko

[sudden remnant]

oh yeah 👨‍🦯

[neat dust]

dedenne and pikachu are legal but salamence and metagross aren’t

[sudden remnant]

and mawile and mienshao arent

[neat dust]

😂 😂 this format has to go

[sudden remnant]

and the hoenn starters arent

[cerulean nacelle]

^ this one I actually cared aboutol

[sudden remnant]

bro mawile and metagross would fix this whole meta

[neat dust]

No hoenn starters but gen 9 variants

hilarious

[bold geode]

@chrome knot I'm realizing I forgot to sign up for NPA, I'm crying

[sudden remnant]

do not insult goatscarada and the lizard

[chrome knot]

i did for npaa but im not getting drafted in the slightest

[neat dust]

Meowscarada is the best user of protean I could care less

period counting mega evos too

[bold geode]

Ok so how does NPAA work regarding match scheduling and is sign up still open

[sudden remnant]

put greninja on fraud watch fr

[neat dust]

I meant gen 8

I made a mistake

[sudden remnant]

the gen 8 starters arent in the game either

[neat dust]

Gen 8 starters

The legends game

is gen 8

[sudden remnant]

im sorry did you just slander typhlosion and samurott

[chrome knot]

idk i signed up day 1

[neat dust]

yes

Typhlosion is a case of aerodactyl

samurott is just samurott

[sudden remnant]

how much does h-typhlosion shadow ball do to aero

[bold geode]

Can you manage to find a link plz?

[sudden remnant]

hisuian samurott is so fucking cool

i wanted to use it but i couldnt slot it on the team

[bold geode]

As someone who's used Hisuian Typhlosion recently
Don't

[sudden remnant]

just answer the question

[bold geode]

Too much threatens it

[cerulean nacelle]

I tried h-typhlosion recently as well

[bold geode]

You didn't even ask me the question

[cerulean nacelle]

I did not like it lol.

[neat dust]

Design and ability is cool but the pokemon is a silly mixed attacker

[sudden remnant]

how much does aero take from the shadow ball

[sudden remnant]

which is good in its case

[bold geode]

Hisuian Typhlosion can be good but it takes way too much work to get it there

[neat dust]

Yes because frisk is useless

[bold geode]

Nah it's a physical guy

[cerulean nacelle]

Aero scoffs at it even in the sun, that's kinda just a bad pull already.

[sudden remnant]

me when i lie

[neat dust]

I could find out a Pokémon’s item after turn 1

[bold geode]

Not in BO1 ladder

[neat dust]

everyone does the same shit

[bold geode]

BO1 ladder it's actually useful

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah frisk actually ain't bad.

[bold geode]

It's when you get an open teamsheet that Frisk becomes fucking useless LMAO

But Typhlosion don't care about the ability too much
It does it's thing

But it's just like

It's a Kingambit Basculegion meta with Aerodactyl to boot
It's hard as balls to be successful

[sudden remnant]

i also think you forgot you’re talking to the cts guy 😝 i can do whatever i want with the samurai weasel

[bold geode]

Not to mention Incineroar still good

Also Hisuian Samurott is a physical attacker cuz of Sharpness

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah incin has its bad times but is still a good mon.

[bold geode]

But even then just

Meh

[sudden remnant]

you can run it mixed it gets some great special utility moves

[neat dust]

Outclassed by torkoal

[bold geode]

It's at the worst it will ever be not counting like the time it was around before it got Intimidate and even then it's still damn good

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah, this is basically it's worst format and it's still pretty good.

[bold geode]

Honestly y'know what's funny

Even these teams with like Basculegion Kingambit right like the Zard Y teams for example

They're still kind of Incineroar weak

[neat dust]

Incinegoat

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Wait

[cerulean nacelle]

It's very much soft chdck into soft check

[sudden remnant]

how much does incin take from a +1 low kick from gambit

[bold geode]

Like they're still weak to Intimidate and shit
It's just you can deal with it still

[neat dust]

When did incineroar ever need knock off

[bold geode]

Probably die to it a lot of times but a lot of Kingambit also don't run Low Kick

[sudden remnant]

they should

[cerulean nacelle]

Didn't need it but it's such a good utility move that it just made him better.

[bold geode]

It was a good move for it
But also like
It's not good rn

[sudden remnant]

cuz mega stones cant be knocked off

[bold geode]

That and like
The berries

[neat dust]

incineroar suffers from too much moves in movepool

[bold geode]

I think Colbur berry still works on Knock Off cuz iirc the berry activates before you do damage

I use Throat Chop personally

[neat dust]

Berry is best option for knock off players now that I think about it

[cerulean nacelle]

When AV is back, incin will suffer from losing u-turn. That's about it. Incin can't pivot on its AV set anymore.

[neat dust]

Eh

[bold geode]

People just won't use AV Incin anymore

That's it

[neat dust]

Parting shot was better anyway

[cerulean nacelle]

AV incin had its uses.

[bold geode]

AV Incineroar was pretty damn strong but now it's unusable

[neat dust]

yeah, because too much movepool

[sudden remnant]

it does

[bold geode]

Honestly losing U Turn was a bigger nerf than Knock Off

[neat dust]

You could literally do anything in gen 8-9

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah losing 1 move made a whole playstyle for incin redundant.

[sudden remnant]

theres also quite a bit of throat chop rn which shuts off parting shot

[bold geode]

Like Knock Off meh alright but no U Turn genuinely kills a whole item it could run

[neat dust]

I lowk realized incineroar was a fraud this format when I saw protect once

[sudden remnant]

lmao

[bold geode]

Like you took a real good item from Incin in the future

[neat dust]

like damn you can’t take 1?

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah I run throat chop on my incin in TR to shut off things like mega garde, sylveon, opposing incins etc.

[bold geode]

You really just be saying shit huh

[sudden remnant]

lmao

[neat dust]

I’ve never seen protect incineroar

never

[bold geode]

They're everywhere on Perish Trap stuff

[neat dust]

I don’t do that shit

nobody runs perish Gengar is a fraud too 😂 😂

I’d rather have gothitelle than mega gengar

[cerulean nacelle]

Perish gengar is a fraud is a crazy allegation

[neat dust]

bro

in what world is Gengar better than sneasler

or basc

[cerulean nacelle]

😭

[bold geode]

You really be saying shit huh LMAO

[neat dust]

Bro tell me I’m crazy

[sudden remnant]

when your name is Wolfe Glick

[bold geode]

You are

[neat dust]

in what world

[bold geode]

Bro Eduardo Cunha

[dense latch]

protect incin works in perish but it’s only worth it there imo

[cerulean nacelle]

Mega gengar perish trap is a big way of how some people shut down entire team plans.

It's a quite common extra core on a quite a lot of teams.

[bold geode]

The 2022 World Champion

Literally got #4 on the ladder with Perish last season

[cerulean nacelle]

Also comparing mega gengar to sneasler or basc when all 3 play completely differently is stupid

[bold geode]

Half the Gengar you will see are Perish Trap

[dense latch]

also monke do you still have a 0iv calyrex i can borrow lima is next week and foul play is actually mattering in some games

[bold geode]

I'm at work rn but how late yo ass stay up

[dense latch]

im gonna be up late studying lmao just lmk and i’ll get on

tysm

[bold geode]

No problem just PLZ don't fuck up and max the IV LMAO

I got so lucky with that pull bro

[neat dust]

What do we do to protect incineroars

[dense latch]

i won’t put that calyrex near the bottle cap guy

if for some reason i do i promise to do the whole crown tundra shit and get a new one for you lol

[bold geode]

LOL

[dense latch]

i considered doing it but i had midterms last week and i needed that time to get as much prep in as possible

[cerulean nacelle]

For perish trap, yes.

We protect the incins.

[bold geode]

Bro maybe that's why my luck is so bad rn
I put in all my luck years ago

[bold geode]

Real honestly

[neat dust]

No no no

We earth power with mega golurk

[dense latch]

surf male basculegion

[cerulean nacelle]

Ohhhh. Yeah if your incin is eating that kinda hit he dead.

So many incins have been 1 shot by mega camerupt.

[neat dust]

I mean high horsepower

[cerulean nacelle]

They run headlong anyway.

[neat dust]

Mega camerupt has to be stopped

[cerulean nacelle]

Mega camerupt is so funny.

Also not to sound horrible but mega golurk ain't all that. Same with mega crabominable

[neat dust]

20 speed is blowing me

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah, mega camerupt speed ties torkoal under TR lol.

It's one of the slowest megas rn.

[bold geode]

Oh @dense latch did I tell you I also just had a 0 IV speed Ursaluna for years without knowing

[dense latch]

what

[bold geode]

I just did LMAO

Bro idek what's in all my boxes

[neat dust]

Rock slide sneasler in masterball

[dense latch]

i dont think i even have an ursaluna period

[neat dust]

the stat spread is insane

[cerulean nacelle]

Eh, it suffers from wasted stats with its mixed build. But it's bulk is pretty good.

[bold geode]

Bro both the Calyrex and Ursaluna are ones I caught for story when I was competitively illiterate

[dense latch]

master ball tier isn’t really a filter for random cts stuff

in a bo1 setting you’re gonna see those weird techs a lot

[bold geode]

Like I didn't even know competitive Pokemon was a thing

[neat dust]

Sheer force makes up for it it boosts special and physical so I’d just throw some bulk on it if I ever ran camerupt

[dense latch]

OH you didnt even hunt for the 0 IV Calyrex LMAO

[neat dust]

On a sun team

[dense latch]

yea that’s insane

[bold geode]

NO FIRST FUCKING TRY WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING

[cerulean nacelle]

I just run max health and max special attack.

Sheer force boosted heat waves and earth powers are generically what you need and ancient power ironically enough helps you snuff out zard Y.

[dense latch]

i’ll keep your guy safe and lead him to an 0-3 drop dont worry 🙏

[bold geode]

And I used it as an Ice Rider in story and I was like "yeah no way this thing is 0 IV" then I check cuz I was lending it to a friend and I was like "no fucking shot"

[neat dust]

Lowk that’s the same thing happening with sand force but the stat spread is much more evil on mega garchomp I wouldn’t even think about running special

[dense latch]

my ass would’ve bottle capped it lmao

[bold geode]

Real LMAO

[dense latch]

“0 IV is trash why would i ever want that on my caly”

[bold geode]

What team are you running

[cerulean nacelle]

I just wouldn't run mega chomp. Such a bad mega.

[dense latch]

mdb’s worlds team

[bold geode]

Oh that

[dense latch]

im gonna test some more to see if i go bolt or rockpon as the last mon

[bold geode]

You're gonna have to train the Caly but there's not much

[foggy lodge]

I was like 12 when crown tundra released so i probably would have bottle capped a 0 iv calyrex too

[neat dust]

Not even bad just underwhelming I tried to run full physical and it just wouldn’t work

[dense latch]

yea i’m fine with just dropping pokedollars to max max it

[bold geode]

Mine is like 28/0/4/220/4/252 or some shit like that

[foggy lodge]

Good thing i was so dumb i didn't even know ivs existed so i couldn't figure out i had to maxnit

[cerulean nacelle]

Nah mega chomp is pretty bad.

[bold geode]

Same bro

[dense latch]

o that’s great i have a shit ton of ev lowering berries

im just doing 252 252

[neat dust]

I’m probobaly being subjective cuz garchomp doesn’t need to mega anyway

[bold geode]

That and my Calyrex has Tera Dark and Nasty Plot so

[neat dust]

I’d just be wasting my mega slot

[bold geode]

I was a Life Orb guy

[dense latch]

man 13 year old me grinded the shit out of dynamax adventures to shiny hunt when it dropped

[bold geode]

I loved Life Orb CSR

[neat dust]

Nah a horrible mega would be charizard x 😂

definitely

[dense latch]

zard x is pretty good

it’s seen decent usage

[bold geode]

How you get away with being like this

[neat dust]

That’s just cuz closed team sheet I’d put camerupt above

[bold geode]

Educate yourself gang

I think Zard X is good but setting up D Dance can be slow

[cerulean nacelle]

Yup. Slower, actually weaker than just a generic life orb or choice band garchomp and is wasting a mega slot.

Mega garchomp is the textbook definition of opportunity cost deficit.

[neat dust]

char x looks horrible don’t lie 👀

[bold geode]

It actually looks pretty good

[cerulean nacelle]

I've been testing a team using zard X and a fake out sableye with dual screens and sunny day.

It ain't awful.

[neat dust]

I DID THAT TOO

But I didn’t have fake out

I had quash or encore don’t remember

[neat dust]

Typing good stats bad

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah, sneasler and sableye both have good pairing synergy with zard X allowing it to set up a d dance.

Sableye can help increase bulk through screens and change weather, sneasler can using coaching to actually help it become stronger and more defensive from coaching.

[bold geode]

How LOL

[cerulean nacelle]

Mega zard X stats are actually pretty decent.

Not like "Oh my god this guy is a nuke" but tough claws and 130 attack makes this gut a threat.

And it's bulk is serviceable with its typing

[neat dust]

the typing is godly

[cerulean nacelle]

Not godly. But good.

[neat dust]

yes good my bad

stats could be better

definitely

dragon dance and dragon claw is what I’d put on mine

Flare blitz

I actually tried to run it with sunny day Whimsicott

[cerulean nacelle]

Standard set is dragon claw, flare blitz, d dance, protect.

[cerulean nacelle]

I did consider that as an option. And whims + zard X is a very good way to beat zard Y + venu because you can actually taunt venusaur so it can't sleep powder your zard X.

I'm still testing with my team but whims seems like a potentially good addition ngl.

[mystic spade]

this dragon weighs less than lebron james

[dense latch]

zard sneasler milotic sinistcha was a strong core at the first big champions tournament

sneasler can fake out and coaching, milo punishes incin and sini can cancel out the flare blitz recoil

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah fire water grass core went hard.

I'm currently on 3 out of those 4. Because I'm running sunny say, I feel like milotic loses a tidbit of utility.

[neat dust]

I’d replace sableye with it if you need more damage

but if you keep running into char y just don’t then

[cerulean nacelle]

Sableye screens have honestly been better.

It's just versatile. In a way that whims can't really be.

[mystic spade]

too bad no walking wake

[neat dust]

Screens do help a lot

[mystic spade]

could try blizzard milotic

[neat dust]

I’m a stall merchant I can’t have my team without them

[mystic spade]

coul hypnosis blizzard recover

[cerulean nacelle]

Dude having the paradoxes in this format would literally be prehistoric or futuristic hydrogen bombs vs coughing babies.

[mystic spade]

aw hell nah no way we're calling screens "stall"

[neat dust]

wonder when people are gonna drop Draco meteor and go dragon pulse

[mystic spade]

draco is better than dpulse

[neat dust]

No I run stall

[cerulean nacelle]

Pls don't run blizzard milotic 😭

[neat dust]

I’m a stall merchant

I need screens

[neat dust]

Maybe for you

[cerulean nacelle]

Screens ain't stall. Deffo more balance or bulky offense based but not stall.

[neat dust]

Draco meteor can miss too

[mystic spade]

blizzard isn't much weaker than stab muddy water

[neat dust]

yeah but it helps me stall with my leftovers set

[cerulean nacelle]

Also, draco meteor is just better typically. The power is undeniable.

[mystic spade]

what's ur team

[cerulean nacelle]

Not necessarily stall. Tell ur team.

[mystic spade]

the stall mons aren't even in the game lul

[neat dust]

Archaludon sableye mega scizor sinistcha basc sneasal

[mystic spade]

oh yeah baby my favorite stall team

with 4 offense mons and 2 support lol

[neat dust]

Bold max spdf df archaludon

[mystic spade]

you should run 32 hp on bulky arch

[neat dust]

stamina with leftovers

[neat dust]

Health over spdf and df?

[cerulean nacelle]

Lol

As someone who plays singles and deals with actual stall, this ain't fucking stall.

[mystic spade]

yeah ho works for both defenses

it's more efficient

[cerulean nacelle]

This is bulky rain at most lmao

[neat dust]

I made it to survive light of light of ruins but I guess I can change that now since floette usage is at the bottom

[mystic spade]

stall doesn't even work in doubles anyways lul

[cerulean nacelle]

Not at all lol

[mystic spade]

me when my blissey gets doubled into and dies

[cerulean nacelle]

You mean you aren't using redirection so you can minimise and be a cunt on doubles!?

Shocker

[mystic spade]

or even worse, blissey gets hit by physical move and dozo by special and both due

[mystic spade]

oh true redirection stall peak

[cerulean nacelle]

My glorious redirection goat maushold

The epitome of bulk 😭

[neat dust]

ok I’m a sableye merchant then

whatever bro✌️

[cerulean nacelle]

I guess that's not incorrect lol

I do love that sableye is finally getting the use he deserved. I was utilising sableye for a while before I moved to bulky froslass aurora veil for my first season.

That was a fun team honestly.

[neat dust]

speaking of aurora veil

I get happy whenever I see an alolan ninetales on my bridge set that pokemon is 4x week to steel 😂

[mystic spade]

scizor bullet punch tio

[neat dust]

Bringing 4x weak pokemon to best type in the game on any team such a liability

[neat dust]

That too

Don’t even have to do it cuz either you sacrifice ninetales or switch out but you want to setup aurora veil so you sacrifice

Wouldn’t make sense anyway

Scizor just stomps

How do you even setup aurora veil

[sudden remnant]

snow

if snow isnt up the move just fails

[cyan smelt]

I feel like snow is really bad atm with how prevalent sableye is

[sudden remnant]

and its immune to both psychic fangs and brick break

🫩

[cyan smelt]

Who would have thought that weak gremlin would be such a menace

[sudden remnant]

i mean everyone hating on my mega banette

whatcha’ll gotta say now

[cyan smelt]

I'm not, i've learnt to not disrespect any mega

[sudden remnant]

i genuinely think mega banette was made for me

like nintendo predicted in the future it would come to me one day

[cerulean nacelle]

Its certainly weaker, but most of the time snow is just attached to 1 mon. So it's not the hardest thing to overcome.

There isn't a good slush rush mon and no other mons really benefit from snow so it's usually just the snow setter.

So it's a perfectly valid thing to just not bring your setter against a sableye.

[cyan smelt]

I just feel like a9 is a lot worse than mega froslass particularly since scizor is on a lot of rain teams now

[sudden remnant]

i dont think any slush rush mons get aurora veil anyways

[molten oasis]

It is, but their roles are different

A9’s a support lass is a sweeper

[cerulean nacelle]

A9 really hates no light clay.

But neither particularly like mega scizor.

[cerulean nacelle]

Thing is, mega froslass can atm provide similar amounts of support with aurora veil and output more damage.

So a9 really is just in a meh spot.

[foggy lodge]

Encore disable with mega gengar is the way

[cerulean nacelle]

Like my team that I got to master rank with was based around a bulkier mega froslass that could set up aurora veil consistently and still output big damage with blizzards and shadow ball.

But it made the rest of my team including sinistcha, milotic, kingambit etc really hard to break.

A9 can't do that same shit.

[molten oasis]

Froslass is taking your mega slot

[sudden remnant]

froslass is good

[molten oasis]

That’s a MAJOR factor to that argument

[cerulean nacelle]

And that's not a bad thing. It's a good pokemon lol.

A9 is just taking a slot and doing things worse.

[molten oasis]

You can’t do Gengar froslass, Gengar a9 is pretty strong rn

[foggy lodge]

I should try Santino's team

[molten oasis]

A9 has a place in the meta, it’s not great but discounting it because of lass sucks

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm not saying it's unusable. I wouldn't say it's part of the meta.

It's use case atm is very niche or diminishing even further.

[molten oasis]

Calling it very niche is a stretch

[cerulean nacelle]

But it is lol. Mega froslass at least works on its own fairly well.

Double blizzard spam is susceptible to rock slide aero and just being bowled over by every other weather atm.

And A9 just has Double the weakness to scizor and not really any extra utility on top other than the occasional encore.

It's use case is very little rn.

I'd just run mega lass or nothing.

Snow itself isn't a gameplan. It's just a bonus atm.

Unfortunately the meta isn't very nice to A9. It's still harsh on mega froslass but mega froslass is so fast and hits so hard that you can support it and it can get you wins by itself.

Plus ghost ice is a very good offensive combo.

[molten oasis]

Cool man

I don’t agree and clearly you disagree so agree to disagree, worthless argument

[cerulean nacelle]

Lmao this comment radiates sodium.

You can disagree but just looking at the meta at this point, from an unbiased perspective it's pretty bad for A9.

[molten oasis]

I’m not continuing this

You won, move on, I could care less

[cerulean nacelle]

Fair enough dude. Sorry if you're annoyed lol.

Not my intention

[cyan smelt]

All i know is when i was using a9 i kept getting my ass whooped by sneasler, scizor and mega gengar but i'm sure a9 can work on the right team

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm not saying it can't. A9 has stuff going for it. It's just in a tight spot like a lot of good mons in the game are rn.

So many mons would be better if it wasn't so centralised lol.

[foggy lodge]

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[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah dual missbeat is my least favourite part of aero

I do love mega aero though. Just personally like it's stat spread.

Just kinda wish it had a rock stab which worked with tough claws.

[cyan smelt]

Tbf both rock slide and dual wingbeat can miss

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah but dual wingbeat is also like pop bomb where each individual hit can miss.

Making it so tilting sometimes.

[cyan smelt]

Where are the 100% accurate physical rock moves lol

[cerulean nacelle]

Lmao that's the neat part

There's like 2

Ancient power and power gem are literally the only 2 thar come to mind atm

[cyan smelt]

Those are special

[cerulean nacelle]

Rock throw, rock tomb, rock slide, stone edge and meteor beam all have miss chance lol

Does rock blast have miss chance?

[cyan smelt]

Mighty cleave is the only physical one and iron boulder is ass

Yes it's 95%

[cerulean nacelle]

Even stone axe has miss chance lol

[cyan smelt]

Rock types are just too goated

[cerulean nacelle]

Lower hit percents and yet still integral to most game plans.

[cyan smelt]

Accelerock is weak

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah but that's a weak ass move lol due to it being priority

[cyan smelt]

Good for finishing off sash mons though

[cerulean nacelle]

Technically stone axe is kinda weak. Both stone axe and ceaseless edge are weak without sharpness boost.

[cyan smelt]

I want to use hamurott

[cerulean nacelle]

I haven't used hamurott in doubles but the spikes support and high damage of things like ceaseless edge, razor shell or aqua cutter if you don't wanna gamble and coverage of sacred sword seem to legit make him a threat.

[cyan smelt]

Resists basc too

[cerulean nacelle]

Basically most of the stuff that makes him good in singles probably also makes him decent in doubles if built right.

[cerulean nacelle]

Good into 2 of the big 3. That's a good pull.

[cyan smelt]

The only thing is that awful sp def

[cerulean nacelle]

Even then awful defensive stats can be worked around.

looking at your defense stat mega gardevoir.

[cyan smelt]

Psychic/fairy is such a good typing but it seems like the mons with that typing have horrible defensive stats

[cerulean nacelle]

I wouldn't say good. The psychic is kinda mediocre on it lol.

It's serviceable.

In general the psychic actually just makes a lot of would be resists neutral

Neutral to bug and dark. You resist psychic and now quad resist fighting which is... OK ig.

Psychic kinda got outdated when the fairy type arrived anyway. They kinda need a buff or at least a bit of a typing rework to make em more relevant.

[cyan smelt]

Farig and indeedee are still good

[cerulean nacelle]

Both support mons and carried more by good move pool and abilities than their typing.

[cyan smelt]

Mega alakazam is gonna go ham when indeedee is back

[cerulean nacelle]

Tbh I ran mega alakazam with the meowstic combo and even then, helping hand into expanding force isn't actually as powerful as I thought it'd be. It becoming a spread move is a big hindrance.

[cyan smelt]

So is mega delphox

[cerulean nacelle]

Unless you're running gravity shenanigans, delphox ain't expanding no force

[cyan smelt]

Oh right i forgot but it can still heatwave

And doesn't have to worry about sucker punch

[cerulean nacelle]

It's a psychic type that gets none of the benefits of psychic terrain.

If they could, then azelf mightve seen play as an expanding force user.

[cyan smelt]

Oh god not the pixies lol

[cerulean nacelle]

It still would. Only pokemon that touch the ground get protected so I'm pretty sure delphox could still get sucker punched unless you made it touch the ground via gravity.

[cyan smelt]

Oh right

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah flying types and levitating mons don't get the benefits of terrain effects.

[cyan smelt]

I keep forgetting these mechanics

[cerulean nacelle]

Yup. Tbh it's a good way to balance em

Because I hate the idea of psyspam with mons like mega delphox or azelf

Armarouge stonks may increase however.

Indeedee armarouge has proven to be a very good strategum

[cyan smelt]

I hate indeedee armarouge

At least people can't do u-turn scarf ape into wp weak armour armarouge anymore

[cerulean nacelle]

🤷 gotta live with it unfortunately.

I'm using TR atm and I'm not particularly fond of farig. Especially paired with fake out of your own. But we just gotta make do.

[cyan smelt]

I like farig i just hate psyspam

I'm a rillaboom truther

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm more of a pinchurchin man myself

said no one ever

[cyan smelt]

Poor pincurchin

[cerulean nacelle]

He's just so bad

Especially when you have to live up to the hype that is tapu koko

Tapu koko can't even use its stronger attacking stat and was still just busted.

[cyan smelt]

Or miraidon

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah miraidon too.

[cyan smelt]

At least miraidon won't be so horrible without tera

[cerulean nacelle]

It's signature move was always stupid lol

[cyan smelt]

It's still going to be bad but not as bad

[neat dust]

Tera fairy xerneas

Tera water kyogre

Wait what point of primal kyogre

Other than ability reset

just another sitting duck

[shadow wind]

Bro is about to say Tera water Kyogre is better than primal 😭😭😭

Ggs

[neat dust]

i was thinking about it

Your glad I don’t have to say it huh

[shadow wind]

Right and how does it hit Groudon in any way?

[neat dust]

You were thinking it too

[shadow wind]

God no I’m not thinking it

Primal Kyogre is 28x better

And even that’s underselling it

[neat dust]

I just don’t remember what single target water move kyogre could use that fixes that

[cyan smelt]

Primal kyogre is going to be terrifying

[neat dust]

Hell no

Primal groudon

[cyan smelt]

Both are

I'm scared for primal groudon, raging bolt and flutter

[neat dust]

Primal groudon and Tera fairy xerneas are 1 and 2

[cyan smelt]

With xerneas and smeargle

[neat dust]

Not in that order

[shadow wind]

The humble opposing primal Groudon😭😭

[neat dust]

Who is stopping Tera fairy xerneas

Genuinely

[cyan smelt]

Mega metagross

[neat dust]

Bronzong*

Both actually

[cyan smelt]

Ferrothorn

[neat dust]

Stunfisk

Galarian

Wait

Tera fairy xerneas is not the main issue believe it or don’t

Mega zygarde makes calyrex ghost look normal

Atleast zygarde needs a stone to mega unlike someone

Def getting nerfed in some form tho

[bold geode]

@dense latch you still around?

[dense latch]

yea

[bold geode]

Imma be real I forgot
Gimme like 5-10 minutes and I got you

Also do you need the Spectrier as well

[dense latch]

all good

i have a spectrier of my own on swsh so no need for it

[bold geode]

Cool

@dense latch aight you ever put boobs in a calculator

[dense latch]

who hasn't is the real question

[bold geode]

That's the code

[bold geode]

Real honestly

[dense latch]

wait i dont have switch online LMAO

let me buy a month real quick

[bold geode]

[dense latch]

i'll dm u i dont wanna flood the chat

[sudden remnant]

im playing tomadachi life. this game isnt that bad

[cyan smelt]

Which miis did u make

[sudden remnant]

hm?

[cyan smelt]

U can make custom miis

[sudden remnant]

i know

i made myself and then started clicking buttons for the other 3 ive made

[rustic mountain]

is it really necessary to move every1 back all the way to pokeball 4 for the new season

[sudden remnant]

honestly 🫩

[bold geode]

Is one of you fucks in here named Nathan

[sudden remnant]

uh oh

what did this nathan do

[bold geode]

HE'S USING MY SACRED TRADING CODE

[neat dust]

Lemme get it

[bold geode]

Nah

[neat dust]

I want that gift

[bold geode]

I bet it was you, you fuck

[neat dust]

😂

[bold geode]

Chat this is why we don't trade shit here

[sudden remnant]

lmaoooo

[dense latch]

next time we move this to dms beforehand lol

[bold geode]

Real

[dense latch]

thankfully you checked beforehand with me

[bold geode]

Yeah I always check

Unless it's my one fuckin friend that always needs shit

I know him by now

[neat dust]

Wait why did you genuinely post the code 😭 😭 😭

Everybody wants the goat

[bold geode]

I DIDN'T THINK ANY OF YOU FUCKS WOULD TRY IT

[neat dust]

and the horse

Whichever one your trading

[bold geode]

You sneaky mfers

[bold geode]

I just traded the goat

[neat dust]

I lowk need to stock up on horses since goats aren’t native in the game

[sudden remnant]

kalos if my miis are in the middle of talking when i grab one of them does anything bad happen

[cyan smelt]

I have never played this game

[sudden remnant]

oh

[rustic mountain]

got rock slided flinched 4 times still won

[sudden remnant]

hell yeah

[molten oasis]

Nice

[cyan smelt]

That's aura

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-i-am-just-a-fish-dont-cry-gif-25697823

[rigid crane]

Do i have to set up ivs and use bottle caps for champions?

[solid frigate]

IVs are all locked to 31

[mystic spade]

you mean for home mons?

[rigid crane]

yeah

[mystic spade]

there's no IVs and ev training is easy in the game

[rigid crane]

thanks!

[rustic mountain]

beat espathra set up always satisfying

thought ppl were jumping off that

[molten oasis]

There’s always 1

[split stone]

Someone named themselves Hitler in champions

Using the & symbol to bypass the filter

[cerulean nacelle]

They did a ke$ha for Hitler? 😭

[wet light]

I wish tyrantrum was good…

[split stone]

Yes they did hitl&er

[split stone]

Every pokemon can be good if you make it

[next stump]

good luck if anyone is in utrecht!

[real prairie]

My new favourite thing is finding people who don't know common interactions complaining they are bugs on Reddit

Like hyper voice hitting through substitute

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah, my man castform bout to be uber

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah tyrantrum is just really damn bad

[keen quiver]

i find it funny how the game is objectively good
it just pokemon fans are discovering what a Seasonal game is like

like all the other pokemons are gonna get added.
Its a seasonal game that has it own schedule lmao

[real prairie]

We are going to look back on this meta and miss it when we inevitably have everything again

[keen quiver]

Meta shifts would be nice

[split stone]

I made the monkeys good and won 100 battles with them

[cerulean nacelle]

The monkeys aren't necessarily all that bad.

They're not very specialised but they can fake out and are decently speedy.

[faint solstice]

This might be a dumb question, but why hasn't anyone tried Entrainment Araquanid into Kyogre?

[keen quiver]

jesus christ ban Kings rock in Double battles Holy shit 😭

[chrome knot]

“I made” and simipour has a day 2 gcf result & a high placing global challenge result

lol

[keen quiver]

bro
this mega kangashkan user 😭
you use fake out and double edge on hisui zoroark TWICED

[bold geode]

Hehe Simipour funny

[keen quiver]

actually?

[timber falcon]

ATP anything can place high can’t it

[chrome knot]

it just has a use case

[cyan smelt]

I think the monkeys get a lot of unnecessary hate

[chrome knot]

fake out scald icy wind fast

[cyan smelt]

They're pseudo starters after all

[chrome knot]

thats my nelly haters can die

[keen quiver]

pseudo starter my ass

[cyan smelt]

I am trying to not dismiss any pokemon because dismissing what a pokemon can do has caused me to lose before

[keen quiver]

need more evolve forms at this point

[chrome knot]

you get them based off ur starter choice in bw to beat gym 1

theyre ur goat of gym 1 then ur goat forever

[indigo coral]

The monkeys have always been at least okay, they just haven't been on Switch until now and most people's only experience with them was in BW as a gift pokemon that evolves via stone and has a below average level up moveset in early game. How they look certainly doesn't help

[keen quiver]

Classic Vivillion sleep powder spammer

[cerulean nacelle]

I went against a vivillon sleep powder user. It was scarf because of the one that did well in a tourney.

They did not like farig + incin lol

[keen quiver]

can't wait till the dev start gutting the rock slide + Kings rock strat lmao

[bold geode]

I like Simisage

[solid frigate]

simipour is just a jolly fella

[keen quiver]

i hope protect gets another nerf to prevent it from being able to work a 2nd time
Like genuinely get rid of that rng chance lol

[chrome knot]

similoser

[chrome knot]

playing for the out

[solid frigate]

the double protect thing isn't that bad honestly

its not to the point that it would negatively hurt the game so hard that its unplayable

[keen quiver]

nerfing protect by making it not work a 2nd time after using it the first time would not even kill the game

[solid frigate]

oh 100%,its just don't think gamefreak would care anyway

[keen quiver]

oh and nerf protect by making it get affected by the Pressure ability just to put salt in the wound

[solid frigate]

man you really hate protect do you

[keen quiver]

Nah i like it
Just want them to make double battles 50/50 by adding a Rule in double battle that only 2 pokemons can have protect in their moveslot in the battlefield
when picking four pokemons to engage in battle, If you pick a third pokemon when that has protect it'll just give you a notifier that telling you to "having more than 2 pokemons with the move protect is not allowed, Choose a Different pokemon"

also they really need to add a Ice type status effect that lowers sp atk..

Freeze is shit

[bold geode]

Simistinky

[bold geode]

Ah yes I got unlucky once, let's remove that from the game

This is why we don't listen to everyone regarding balance patches

[waxen dock]

I made d2

[keen quiver]

tbf shouldnt had existed since the beginning
beside not everything has to be luck based 😭

[cerulean nacelle]

They ain't gonna

[bold geode]

Not everything is luck based tho

[cerulean nacelle]

It ain't smogon singles, we ain't bout to ban kings rock because pop bomb maushold could potentially flinch us to hell and back.

Or a shell smash cloyster ran it for shits n giggles.

[keen quiver]

werent there literally nerfs in double battles tho?

[bold geode]

We don't have nerfs like that often

Just gotta deal with shit

Like did we have nerfs? Yes

But keep in mind that nerfs only come once EVERY 3 YEARS

[keen quiver]

and thats why they should start doing Patch Notes and start switching things up

[bold geode]

Yeah but still like man the shit you're asking for ain't even that serious

[keen quiver]

beside its a live seasonal game
they can make both singles and doubles more interesting lmao

[bold geode]

How is nerfing Protect making it more interesting
You realize that's basically the move that makes this game work right

[keen quiver]

It really wouldnt kill the game if they got rid of the rng thing in protect tho,
also you have like quick guard, wide guard, and Pivot moves.
Those matter alot too lol

[bold geode]

It's not that serious LOL
Why are you advocating for this so hard

It's a 1/3 chance

Those are pretty low odds

[keen quiver]

in terms of rng that is not Low lmao

[bold geode]

THAT IS PRETTY LOW

That's 2/3 in not getting it
I'm definitely game to gamble on someone not getting it

And if they get that double, that means they can't Protect again cuz that's a 1/9

[keen quiver]

wasnt protect the main reason unseen fist had to exist lmao

[bold geode]

Nah Unseen Fist was just a way for Game Freak to make people give them more money

Unseen Fist is actually just a bullshit ability

Well not as much now

Now that it's actually only doing 1/4 through Protect it's not as bad

[keen quiver]

headlond rush did 50% on incineroar when it protect btw

[bold geode]

Well yeah Golurk has fucking what now

[bold geode]

Yeah 159 Base Atk, you REALLY think that shit gonna tickle?

I'd love to have that kind of thought process

[keen quiver]

you sure gamefreak mindset wasnt "Hmm let make blocking moves have more consequences"

[dense latch]

protect isn't the issue, unseen fist is (or was)

[keen quiver]

because people were actually forced to apply damage on the field if not there pokemon would just take amount of damage for trying to use blocking moves?

[bold geode]

People really just be saying things these days huh

[keen quiver]

You're the one so bothered over protect getting nerfed 😭

detect lurking in the corner

[cerulean nacelle]

Not in the same vain.

Like smogon literally banned sleep. That's how oppressive it was getting in singles.

Doubles there ain't nearly as much bullshit to limit.

[cerulean nacelle]

Also pre nerfed unseen fist with the urshifus was stupid. That shouldn't have been a thing anyway, specially with auto crit moves guaranteeing that you had no defensive countermeasures.

[keen quiver]

pretty sure unseen fist on urshifu would still be useful due to how good urshifu attack stat is in general

[bold geode]

.

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm not saying it's not. Unseen fist is still a decent ability. But pre-nerfed unseen fist was unfair.

[solid frigate]

again just play around it,its easy to do it in Doubles

[keen quiver]

isnt every move easy to play around

or there are some strats that are just unwallable lol

[cerulean nacelle]

Technically, you can't play around every possible strat. It's just not possible. There will always be something you can't deal with.

You prepare for what you think might be strong or what's relevant.

[keen quiver]

Tbf im pretty sure cloud nine is just the only way to Kill the weather setters lol

[keen quiver]

what the fuck
U-turn Whimsicott.
wellp atleast someone know that pivot moves exist.
on the wrong mon tho

[next dust]

Trevanant+yard has been putting up numbers for me I have been sleeping on the tree so hard

[keen quiver]

how bulky is trevenant

[next dust]

Pretty decent

Harvest is a garunteed proc in harsh sunlight so sitrus comes back every turn it's used. Could even swap it for a defensive berry

[next dust]

Forest curse adds grass typing to whatever Mon you use it on so it doubles working for you in sun and for you in any matchup where adding grass enhances your def typing

Still keep stab to haha

[timber falcon]

I can see that being nice against arch

But weather wars are always tricky

[next dust]

Correct. Thinking about putting sunny day on whimsi to assist

But otherwise I have been running yard in the back against weather and setting up where needed before sun boost heat wave

[keen quiver]

i can't believe upperhand will only work on fake out mons if you have trick room on because slower mons are faster than speedsters with fake out 😑

Upperhand should not be this Gimmicky lol

[leaden fox]

A very interesting concept of using Trev 🤔

[next dust]

And it has the added benefit of working as intended too haha

[keen quiver]

they're probably adding the next gimmick next year lol

[next dust]

Would make sense

Phone release has to happen first then the power format has to increase a bit

[sudden remnant]

would i be crazy to say i think we should have had the mobile release first? cuz now people wanting to play it but only having mobile have to fucking jump off the deep end into whatever format we’re in at the time

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2611276513 A well placed mega scovillain does numbers, wolfe was onto smth

[next dust]

Interview with the devs stated the formats remain low power until after mobile release

[real prairie]

A day later and many wins and losses later finally hit MB, rank of 1500 though. A LOT, of work to do

[sudden remnant]

oh thank god cuz my friend wants to play when the mobile release happens and hes terrible at pokemon

[gentle crag]

naganohara_vexae has given 1 Gen Rep to ieatshortpeople666

[sudden remnant]

hes always asking me what level up moves he should give his mons

ig thats my b for telling him
i play competitive 😔

i cant let him figure it out himself

like imagine them throwing the people waiting for mobile release into primal kyogre xerneas part 2

although something tells me the big 6 is gonna be a lot different this time

[indigo coral]

We're not jumping from lower power than Regulation H straight into double restricted in a month or two from now, that's silly. We know that mobile port is within two months because they accidentally put a release date on the Android play store then took it down

[real prairie]

Lucario carried me. Even without justified boosts it hits HARD

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/31536a7bdf754273 lately ive been having a real rough time against every hisuian typhlosion that i see. Any advive as to how i could improve the MU?

[sudden remnant]

i said imagine i didnt say it was plausible or likely

peep the word “imagine”

[real prairie]

Schovillan rage power and wave crash from Basc

[sudden remnant]

hola jack

[timber falcon]

thank you i never tried this

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to averagejack_yt

[real prairie]

Prevents shadow ball and Basc survives spread eruption

You can also use it to bait Shadow ball and switch

But it's riskier

[leaden fox]

I just thought; if a certain Pokémon gets added to M-B regulation; then one "mode gimmick" will be more abused 😅
Which mon do you ask? Gothitelle 😅

[timber falcon]

I’ve heard enough, give incineroar shadow tag too

[sudden remnant]

lmao

[leaden fox]

Doesn't need it; already has a good kit and ability 🤣

Especially Parting Shot 😅

[timber falcon]

Calyrex abilty so it has both

[cerulean nacelle]

Nahhhhh give incineroar as one so it can have intimidate + shadow tag.

[cerulean nacelle]

YOU BEAT ME TO IT DAMNIT

[leaden fox]

🤣

[cerulean nacelle]

Also, mega camerupt helping hand heat wave onto a full health mega alakazam KO

Life is beautiful.

[sudden remnant]

mega alakazam fucking sucks

[cerulean nacelle]

He is somewhat mid. Plus my farigiraf has light screen. So it was doing even less.

[sudden remnant]

at least mega meowstic does something

[cerulean nacelle]

Lol the most ragebait statement ever

[sudden remnant]

male mega has utility female has base competitive

[sudden remnant]

its not ragebait its true

[cerulean nacelle]

Lmao OK dude

[sudden remnant]

mega alakazam:

https://tenor.com/view/scorsese-absolute-cinema-meme-gif-9523375912274476782

[cerulean nacelle]

Honestly the funniest thing about that game was I lead camerupt + farigiraf vs his meowstic and greninja.

I set up trick room while he set up gravity and used blizzard.

Then didn't switch out and proceeded to get heat waved into oblivion while my farigiraf set up light screen

Also note for another team, I predicted a mega gardevoir was gonna use trick room and just set up light screen with farigiraf while dealing damage with mega camerupt.

Funny shit.

[sudden remnant]

fun fact whimsicott is the fastest chlorophyll mon

[leaden fox]

I just faced your EXACT team @cerulean nacelle and won against it with only one mon going down; which was my Mega Aero 😅

[sudden remnant]

in general not just in champions

[cerulean nacelle]

It mightve been me lol, what tier are you in?

[leaden fox]

Not on Champions, on Showdown xD

[cerulean nacelle]

Ohhhh

Then yeah it deffo wasn't me lol I haven't showdowned in a while lol

[leaden fox]

They were in the 1600s and knocked them down to just under 1600 😅
Sitting at 1552 myself now

People really hate H-Samurott 🤣

Ultimate Arch counter for me and cannot be Prankster'd

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah ngl H-samurott specifically does just wreck my team. Luckily I ain't seen any.

[leaden fox]

Until I somehow face you on Champions xD

[cerulean nacelle]

Honestly though I just wanna get to master rank. And the camerupt TR team is easily goof enough to do so lol.

[leaden fox]

Though, currently in Ultra 4 atm I believe?

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm in... ultra 2 lol

[leaden fox]

Haven't touched Champions much today, only for daily quests xD

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeahhh that's basically my go about of it rn.

I do my dailies and then kinda just do other stuff. Namely revision or the binding of isaac

[leaden fox]

Usually if I do many matches, I tend to do them in a row

But no real rush into the matches until I hit Master Rank first

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm just gonna reach master rank.

I'm more just happy that mega camerupt is taking names and kicking ass, even if my team may have a slight, very oddly specific Hamurott weakness.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, that is fair; but hopefully after this season, M-B should happen according to the graphic they did before

But until then, we have Indianapolis and NAIC showing off M-A 🙂

[cerulean nacelle]

Yuppp

But aurorus and camerupt be doing the funni

[leaden fox]

And knowing me, I'll be supporting Wolfe Glick 🤣

[sudden remnant]

aurorus mentioned

[sudden remnant]

wolfe glick the goat

marcos perez is goated too

[cerulean nacelle]

It's not been bad overall haha.

Aurorus is pretty bulky and with never-melt ice, blizzard and freeze-dry do some good ass damage.

[cerulean nacelle]

I love wolfey but I did run into his OHKO team. And that's surprisingly not fun to deal with when both your megas can't really take out snorlax

[sudden remnant]

thats literally the whole point of the team lmao

[leaden fox]

Yeah, Wolfe and Marco are amazing players

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm aware but it's literally just a very poor match up into a man running both aurorus, mega camerupt and/or mega gardevoir lmao.

[sudden remnant]

Marcos

Marcos “Moxieboosted” Perez

[leaden fox]

I mean, not a hard team to counter if you are able to know what is coming xP

[sudden remnant]

give gardevoir aura sphere

[leaden fox]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2611362646-9oyh7v1hw7ra2059rmv7a025a4d9py7pw
My team is looking SO good here 🙂

[cerulean nacelle]

My mega garde does know aura sphere. It still couldn't ohko the snorlax

[sudden remnant]

its not gonna ohko

but it probably does a decent chink

[cerulean nacelle]

Not nearly enough when he can just switch in sinsitcha and heal it. It's just not enough.

TR overall is just gonna have a worse time into that kinda team.

Unless you're one of the madlads running mega crab lol

[leaden fox]

Just beat a 1650 rated player in that replay above xP

Well, they are now 1625 rated 😅

[sudden remnant]

i wanna do mega ampharos trick room

why? cuz why the fuck not

[cerulean nacelle]

I tried it. It's just mid.

[leaden fox]

Tried to make one to no avail 🙁

[sudden remnant]

yall underestimate the cts demon and it shows

[cerulean nacelle]

My original idea was mega camerupt + mega ampharos for rain. And ampharos really wasn't all that.

[sudden remnant]

i have a 55% win rate with leafeon mega banette sun

[leaden fox]

Tried a couple of TR teams for Mega Amp; one was Instruct TR and the other was Farig TR 😅

[sudden remnant]

nah i wont be doing allat

my shiny hatterene is gonna make an appearance

[leaden fox]

Yeah, that Hatterene was on my Farig TR team

And I have a shiny one as well xP

[sudden remnant]

im also using uturn tsareena

lead tsareena hatterene uturn tsareena out trick room with hatterene