competitive_discussion

[keen quiver]

ever caught a Kingambit off guard with vaccum wave?

[cerulean nacelle]

I played the height of iron valiant in scarlet violet singles where vacuum wave was used to beat kingambits.

Yes.

Still doesn't make mega lucario amazing.

It's great in singles. Doubles, it's kinda easier to play around.

[keen quiver]

still nice coverage since adaptability make stab moves busted

[real prairie]

Wolfe mega crab team is giving me ideas for mega lopunny as it gets after you

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah but even then, it's costing you a mega. When adaptability coverage is done a lot better in basculegion.

[cerulean nacelle]

Crap? Do u mean crab?

[keen quiver]

crabominable mentioned

[real prairie]

Yes what a typo

Jeez

[cerulean nacelle]

Wolfeys very shit mega team

Sorry typo I meant mega crabominable

[real prairie]

It's a video with Alpharad so kinda lol

[keen quiver]

funny cause he techinally make anything work the way he adapts lol

[cerulean nacelle]

He's a very good player. The teams he makes are not very consistent.

But that's because its to his playstyle

It's why I'd say don't just copy a team. Learn how it works then see about any changes you'd make to make it play better for you.

I saw mega froslass used and I knew I immediately wanted to use it. And it took me multiple iterations but I got to the aurora veil bulky froslass that I used to get to masters in the first season.

Adapt to your playstyle. A team can perform well but if it doesn't feel right, then don't force yourself to use it.

Same with yugioh lol.

[keen quiver]

speaking of which
I reworked my Pokemon champions tailwind team in this game.
when the game finally add gholdengo, tapu, and landorus
(Including the items)
Ill be popping off with this team in double battle format

[cerulean nacelle]

Tbh for a bit I was using sunny day farig to power up my mega camerupt. But I gave up on that fad. Rain dance for blastoise is something I see fairly often haha.

[real prairie]

I'm running rain dance on maus ATM so could be really funny to partner it with mega blastoise and run it with after you

Fake out rain dance turn one, after you water spout turn 2 lol

[cerulean nacelle]

That could be funni. Follow me to let blastoise set up shell smash as well maybe.

[real prairie]

Oof

Although with shell smash I don't think it needs after you

[cerulean nacelle]

Though gotta be careful with that one.

I had someone do oranguru instruct onto a polteageist to get double shell smash, and they lost because I just set up trick room and hit em with spread heat wave.

[keen quiver]

oh yea im replacing upper hand with will-o-wisp on talonflame.
why is a good "Priority" counter so fucking gimmicky. like let it block every Priority strat there is man

[cerulean nacelle]

Unfortunately neither quick guard nor upper hand let you do that. But allowing talonflame to block sneasler fake out is very good.

Maybe potentially even break sash

Which is relevant. Ik most are using white herb but it's a possibility.

[keen quiver]

problem is that you gotta run a speed nature on talonflame to ever Block sneasler fake out

and upper hand should always be a higher priority then Fake out in general

including quick guard and wide guard

[cerulean nacelle]

You should be anyway lol. Talonflame still hits hard without an adamant nature. And having that utility is good. Plus speed tieing other talonflames is relevant too.

[keen quiver]

tbf imma just replace it with protect or will-o-wisp
will-o-wisp is more of a useful set

[cerulean nacelle]

I think will o on talon is kinda cope. But that's my opinion. It can be useful if for some reason the opponent is stupid and leaves a kingambit in.

But even some chomps are running lum berry to prevent burns now.

[keen quiver]

also for mega skarmory
Is the stat points mostly max HP and max attack + adamant nature?

[cerulean nacelle]

The best will o or burn users rn probably are washtom and scovillains spicy spray. Sableye can as well but it's slightly more limited.

[cerulean nacelle]

Honestly idk. I don't use mega skarmory a lot. Its got serviceable bulk so if you're gonna try and get off an SD, then max HP max speed with a jolly nature (so you guaranteed outspeed non scarf 102s like chomp) probably works.

But I'm not an expert in mega skarm so test it and find what's right for you

[keen quiver]

i mean im gonna have a tailwind mon on my team lol

[real prairie]

I have caught 9 shiny Tandemaus with title power 3 and mark charm and not one has had a title

It's a 1/4 chance on each

[cerulean nacelle]

I caught 1 shiny tandemaus and decided that was enough.

Called him WorseCompany because I love localised jjba names.

[real prairie]

I just want one with a title lol

[cerulean nacelle]

I've also done many hunts with title power 3 and Mark charm and not gotten a mark. It's just rng.

But then I have some goated marked shinies like a jumbo scovillain and a teensy armarouge

It swings in roundabouts.

A lot of my shinies technically have marks because they're shalphas from LZA, so they always have the former alpha mark.

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm struggling with zard X.

Sableye + zard X works in theory.

Atm I've got

Zard X
Sableye with dual screens, fake out and sunny day
Generic whimsicott
Sneasler

Not sure what else I wanna add onto the team.

[keen quiver]

Chlorophyll

[leaden fox]

Well he's running Zard X, so no Drought 😅

[cerulean nacelle]

I just had 2 bad back to back games with my trick room team.

I would've won a game if I hadn't gotten an unlucky sleep on my sinistcha from dire claw sneasler.

And then a muddy water made my gardevoir miss half its hyper voices, got hit by double burn matcha gotcha and best of all multiple crits when I wasn't even in a winning position lol.

[keen quiver]

??? LMAOOO
BRO USED SURF AND HIS GENGAR CURSED BODY ACTIVATED

the concept of Double battle Backfires are funny as shit

[cerulean nacelle]

Bad games for both of us haha

[leaden fox]

First battle on the new season via Doubles with my new team; and won it hands down xD

[cerulean nacelle]

In this current game though I just had a perfect turn.

He lead sneasler kingambit into my farigiraf camerupt.

I mega'd the camerupt and heat waved while farigiraf set up perfectly thanks to colbur berry, and then found out he was sash speedy kingambit so trick room was gonna shaft him.

I proceeded to have the easiest time of my life.

Because protecting your left mon is so common, people ain't respecting the fact that q sheer force boosted mega camerupt heat wave will flip their shit.

[leaden fox]

Always a great moment when that happens 🙂

[cerulean nacelle]

Happens a lot more than you think

Plus my farigiraf is mostly invested in physical defense to let it lives hits from the physical attackers atm.

It's got just enough I think to let it survive zard Y heat waves? Or it's like such a small roll that it's inconsequential.

Aurorus has been a super fun niche pick though. Blizzard spam is fun.

You still gotta be careful of fighting moves but eh. It's fun.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, always a good thing

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X · May 13, 2026, 7:00 AM

[leaden fox]

Not too shocked if it's JP players at the top mainly xD

[keen quiver]

always target hyper voice spammers in double battles

[leaden fox]

Never underestimate the skill of a JP player xP

Ah, they fixed the bug of the Pokéball holding pose from victories 😅

[cerulean nacelle]

Alright I'm back into ultra ball tier.

Not bad for one day. Now time for me to get ready and get my drink on!

[leaden fox]

Dang do I love Sharpness boosted Sacred Sword one-shotting Mega Ttar 🤣

[cerulean nacelle]

Hisui samurott or gallade?

Either way, based as hell

[leaden fox]

HSamurott

[keen quiver]

would be nice if they buffed physical critical hits to bypass burn

[cerulean nacelle]

Crits already bypass screens. Don't need to bypass burns.

Well... screens and stat changes.

[leaden fox]

If they did, Urshifu would've been more threatening 😅

[cerulean nacelle]

Based.

[cerulean nacelle]

^literally this.

[keen quiver]

wellp Scald Milotics need to get countered 🗣️

[cerulean nacelle]

Not disagreeing with that but that's more about a certain gorilla coming back lmao.

Or just... more grass and electric types that can actually be relevant. None of them are very good atm.

[keen quiver]

or araquanid

[cerulean nacelle]

Besides sinistcha but sinistcha can't 1v1 milotic.

[cerulean nacelle]

What about araquanid

[keen quiver]

Water Bubble

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeahhhh but araquanid is still very very niche.

[leaden fox]

When Baxcalibur is in the game, then no burns on that xD

[cerulean nacelle]

Baxcalibur by itself will make a name for hail

Snow I mean

Sorry been watching older gen videos.

[leaden fox]

it's all good xP

[cerulean nacelle]

Substantial defense boost, immune to zard Y heat waves, venu can't do much except try and sleep powder it, it's gonna be pretty good.

[leaden fox]

https://tenor.com/view/hail-yeah-michael-groth-mandjtv-oh-yeah-clapping-gif-20544488

[cerulean nacelle]

Some of its stats were wasted but honestly it didn't need more.

[cerulean nacelle]

a man of culture I see

[leaden fox]

yep xD

[cerulean nacelle]

Wonder if mega baxcalibur will keep thermal exchange or whether itll get something better/worse.

[leaden fox]

I think it should keep it in it's Mega, otherwise it loses the part that made it good

That is why Baxcalibur was a threat, since it couldn't get burned

Though wish the 30 spatk it got from it's Mega went into it's spdef instead 😅

[keen quiver]

a buffed version of it im assuming

[leaden fox]

maybe, who knows

Already gets a +1 atk and cannot be burned from Thermal Exchange

well, +1 atk if hit by a fire move

[molten oasis]

Bax will be fine if it keeps thermal exchange

[cerulean nacelle]

I wouldn't say buffed. They already made the mistake of giving 2 pseudos extremely good abilities in aerilate salamence and tough claws metagross.

Giving something that has kyurem black levels of offense a better thermal exchange would just be stupid.

[molten oasis]

?

A burn immunity on a physical attacker is great

I think they’re trying to avoid making another metagross

[leaden fox]

tbf, we don't know how "good" Mega Salamence will be because of mons in Gen8 and Gen9 😅
As well as new Megas

[molten oasis]

Metagross will be dominating when it comes back, that mon’s disgusting

[cerulean nacelle]

No I'm saying it's pointless to buff it because it's already good and they don't wanna make another stupidly broken mega pseudo

[molten oasis]

It’s not going anywhere

[leaden fox]

We'll certainly have to see

[molten oasis]

Mence is a way to handle sneasler

Flying coverage is just, good in general

[cerulean nacelle]

Mega mence was the counter for like... most things in restricted formats.

Good speed, great attack and access to a stab aerialate boosted double edge is ridiculously good.

It's basically mega feraligatr if it wasn't mid.

[molten oasis]

It’s a great balance piece

[leaden fox]

Most players did run a "mix attacker" mence

[molten oasis]

Our balance this format is fucking floette

[keen quiver]

Im crying Helping hand Expanding force and theres no psychic terrain 😭

[cerulean nacelle]

There isn't rlly balance atm lol.

There's TR/speed control, weather and HO

[molten oasis]

That’s another thing, metagross will come back and be a fat check to floette

[molten oasis]

It’s by far the closest thing to it

[leaden fox]

The problem with certain mons atm in Champions; not all are being used because of certain factors; such as their perfect partner lineups aren't in the game atm

[molten oasis]

Or zard x teams which kinda do the same thing

[cerulean nacelle]

True.

I did a similar thing with a more bulky veil mega froslass which was more akin to balance but it still had weather tied to it in a way.

[molten oasis]

This is why I think incin’s currently weaker, beyond the nerfs to its movepool

[leaden fox]

e.g. Expanding Force TR teams are missing Indeedee, etc

[molten oasis]

Thank god

Fuck hard tr teams

[cerulean nacelle]

Lol me with hard TR mega camerupt 🤣

[cerulean nacelle]

Incin also hates the big 3 atm. Sneasler gambit basc.

Not to mention milotic eats it for breakfast.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, even atm, I feel like Incin isn't crazy strong currently compared to other mons 😅

[molten oasis]

Yeah the meta is just currently really hard on it

[cerulean nacelle]

The meta isn't for incin. I have incin on my TR team because it's slow and even then it's rarely ever bought.

I bring it usually to help against sun

[molten oasis]

Incin’s a balance piece

There is no balance

[cerulean nacelle]

Intimidate in all honesty just isn't that good atm

[leaden fox]

Bad enough that there is already people saying "can we have sub-legends in M-B, the current meta is boring" 🤣

[molten oasis]

This meta sucks it’s not boring lol

[timber falcon]

I think a more offensive incin works nicely rn

[cerulean nacelle]

I've seen offensive incin. I think it was max HP max attack with white herb so it could throw off a CC and kill kingambit.

[leaden fox]

Once they add the next lot of mons during M-B, we should see a better Meta shift with a little more balancing (as in actually seeing more unique teams xD)

[keen quiver]

there was a milotic on my team
and this mf had both a gyarados and incineroar
wellps that was a free win

[molten oasis]

Tbh idk if it’ll be better or worse

[cerulean nacelle]

Im probably gonna do what I did before. Get to master ball tier then fuck about and find out.

[leaden fox]

Oh dear lord; just thought of this: Big Six is gonna get a comeback O_O

[molten oasis]

Reg h was kinda ass and we’ll probably get the other half of those staples

[timber falcon]

From what we’ve seen they might nerf em to the ground

[molten oasis]

Rilla amoonguss blursa dengo and ape mostly

[leaden fox]

Hard to say, they already buffed Kangaskhan's Scrappy ability xD

[timber falcon]

With the downside of crippling parental bond power up punch

[leaden fox]

well yeah, doesn't get Power up Punch anymore; but has new options for that "free sixth slot" 😅 e.g. Farigiraf

[keen quiver]

. why tf does blastoise has FAKE OUT

[leaden fox]

That giraffe is here to stay xD

[leaden fox]

Why wouldn't it? xD

[keen quiver]

at this point nerf everything

[timber falcon]

Should be common knowledge atp man

Or woman

[leaden fox]

I don't need to worry about Fake Out thanks to my long neck Giraffe xD

[cerulean nacelle]

I had someone use talonflame brave bird into my incin + fargiraf.

Failed because gale wings made it priority lmao.

[keen quiver]

hold on let me make a team with both Tsareena and Farigiraf

[cerulean nacelle]

Tsareena unironically ain't bad. Scarf tsareena is a pretty good way to hit basc.

[keen quiver]

Imma high jump kick just cause i want to

High jump kick 🤤

[cerulean nacelle]

That is a choice lmao

Though tbh sometimes I wanna throw shit at the wall and just use high jump kick mega medicham

[timber falcon]

i thought people dont do this cause of protect

[keen quiver]

yea they dont

also i hope the devs start doing random Modifiers for Each rank season

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/76026ef9401e3903

Working on this

But rotom feels kinda like filler I send in to eat hits and I need a better response to basculegion

[keen quiver]

hi camp

[polar canyon]

Hi

I like tinkaton into aerodactyl

Which is big for a team where I bring delphox 90% of the time

How do you guys deal with basculegion

[spark siren]

Should I choose Starmie (Mega) or Azumarill as my huge power mon?

[elder charm]

depends if you need a mega

yall hows my team looking? if you have any questions/comments jst ask https://pokepast.es/7c3f3271fc5be189

[next stump]

I think if you’re rocking scarf rotom you want electroweb for a faster mode

[elder charm]

really?

[next stump]

yeah typically that’s what I see on scarf sets

it would help out charizard, sneasler, etc.

even mecanium

[foggy lodge]

Sinistcha is better than Farigiraf if you want to play the ddance Charizard set up

[elder charm]

nah but armor tail tho

and i normally only bring zard against sun teams

isnt sinistcha bad for that

[stuck perch]

Wow every 3 months is kinda insane tbh

[split stone]

I won 100 battles with the monkey trio

[split stone]

So just each season. Which is not that bad to wait for more pokemon

[stuck perch]

Yeah I feel like getting items more often than Pokémon wudnt be that unbalanced

[leaden fox]

Depending on how many Pokémon and items they add, yeah

Would be happy to see them bring in another 50-ish mons + 15-ish items every three months

Though who knows yet

[chrome knot]

it is the length of a standard regulation

nothing is insane about this lmao

[molten oasis]

It used to be yearly.

[spark siren]

I recruited Starmie. Should I keep both megas on my team (Starmie and Meganium)?

[leaden fox]

I used to try and run double Mega, but takes up the space of a possible extra mon to use 😅

[molten oasis]

The point of double mega is to have a mega to run when your main mega sucks into x mu

So sometimes you might need the extra firepower instead of a 6th normal Mon

[leaden fox]

Depending on certain predicaments, yeah; but luckily the team I run is good with just the one Mega 😅

[molten oasis]

Me like Delphox

[stuck perch]

But all items are in game on scarlet and violet that's a totally different from Champions besides battles

I don't play comp VGG idk standard regulation

[leaden fox]

You know the moment Assault Vest and Covert Cloak get put in the game, the meta shifts massively 😅

[cyan smelt]

Clear amulet

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/c89f58f1f6bca497 thoughts? havent play tested yet but wanna know how it looks on paper

[stuck perch]

Yeah they restrict certain items and certain pokemon in standard regulation that's what I thought

[leaden fox]

That too

You know Covert Cloak and Clear Amulet may just terminate Incineroar's usage rate 😅
Especially without Knock Off on it

[cyan smelt]

Never

[spark siren]

Any improvements for my season 2 doubles team:
Volcarona
Sneasler
Meganium (Mega)
Starmie (Mega)
Aegislash
Lycanroc (Dusk)

[leaden fox]

Hm, likely a mon with Intimidate if possible

But the best way to know the strengths and weaknesses of your team is likely trying it out on Pokémon Showdown to be sure

[chrome knot]

regulation changes were every 3 months in sv lmao

[leaden fox]

Had to do several tests to make sure my team + it's stat spreads were right

[chrome knot]

wake up

[molten oasis]

I meant before

[leaden fox]

Used to be yearly prior to Gen9

[molten oasis]

You didn’t get what I meant, like Gen, 6(?) and before were yearly

[clever root]

Why is mega glimm in such agony

[molten oasis]

No gen 8 was regulations, idk about gen 7

I’m aware SV was regulations I played in them

[leaden fox]

Felt like Gen8 was yearly; then again, we didn't get to see really any regionals, ICs and Worlds for it often until the last year of the game's cycle

[molten oasis]

Yeah we didn’t see SWSH cuz or covid

We might not see champions if this new one ends up being as bad (I doubt it but who knows)

[leaden fox]

Very doubtful; but when we eventually have a "Dynamax" set of regulations; then that'll hopefully make it a good return

Though when and if Dynamax regulations happen again; I already have 4 teams in mind xD

[molten oasis]

I’m not looking forward to that

[leaden fox]

Only regulation era I won't be looking forward to: Z-Stones

[clever root]

Thinkin of runnin Glimm, Chomp, Rotom-W, Weavile, Talonflame and smth else, only issue is talonflame and weavile are sash hogs, unless i run sharp beak talonflame

[polar canyon]

I have to share this one because I'm actually pretty proud of how I played

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2609125329-cnkw0t8k43cbpuuhw8x2rqo8i5qgx2epw

All the plays where I just stay in on a gambit or on that last part with harc that seem lucky were fully deliberate

I was cornered and saw my only out being bluffing

I never got this hard into someone's head like I did now

I think 1600 is like mid ladder on showdown right

[timber falcon]

i really like that tinkaton set

ill have to keep it in mind

[timber falcon]

around 1700 is top 500 iicr so maybe on the higher end

[cyan smelt]

No item acro talon

[polar canyon]

Cool I guess I'm not as bad as I thought

Stuck between 1500 and 1600 with that team

I think gigaton hammer rn is more useful than it's been for most of sv because of aerodactyl atales and sylveon

[leaden fox]

Stuck between 1500 - 1600 with my own team too xP

[polar canyon]

What is it?

I can share mine

[leaden fox]

https://pokepast.es/96444872146b33ba
My team here

[timber falcon]

i share ur pain man

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/244f6bbe57a5bd0f

[timber falcon]

didnt notice this b4, but what do you do infront of intimidate? Seems like itll be annoying

[polar canyon]

6 g team

[leaden fox]

Haven't had to worry about it so far; even when facing Intimidate, I still manage to deal with it

[polar canyon]

No direct counter there but it looks like a team that can chip down an incineroar with -1 super effective hits

And neutral special ones

[leaden fox]

Intimidate becomes more an issue if you run too many physical attackers; but luckily it's a mix

[polar canyon]

With my team my biggest struggles are basc and kingambit

For kingambit I just try to mind game the sucker punches and hope for the best ngl

[leaden fox]

Yeah, having Farig really saves me from priority moves

[polar canyon]

And grass knot is only there because incin isn't comfortable in front of it either

I mixed things up

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2609135479 Skarmory is so fun

[polar canyon]

Incin is only there for that reason

[leaden fox]

And it's bulky enough to survive +1 Kingambit with BlackGlasses

[polar canyon]

Grass knot is only there because a double up with moonblast can ko basc

[cyan smelt]

I need to figure out what to pair with farig and kang, seems like there aren't many good tr abusers atm

[polar canyon]

I could maybe try swapping sinistcha out for tsareena?

Idk the healing is coming in really handy rn

[leaden fox]

Though funnily enough; this team of mine even threatens Perish Trap

[polar canyon]

Also tsareena would be a pretty on theme pick

[timber falcon]

ive seen a few of these teams, hatterene, torkoal, primarina and gambit arent too consistent rn but theyre good options

[polar canyon]

Only perish trap I lost to was from gengar switching out and incin parting shot back to it which was my first time seeing it

And ngl that is vile

In like a good way I just never thought of it

I get why incin gengar is evil now

[leaden fox]

Yeah, very much a standard play there; knowing when it is coming makes it harder for your opponent too

[cyan smelt]

Torkoal is fine ig i'm just really worried about rain

[leaden fox]

If you know they are switching out; you can just double protect and have them fail xP

[timber falcon]

farig does learn sunny day

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but farig has 4mss i want to imprison protect so i make the most of tr turns

[spark siren]

Would arcanine (kantonian) be a good intimidate mon? I might use it as a physical tank with heat wave and snarl for spread moves

[leaden fox]

That can work out yeah

[polar canyon]

Oh they did it on their own politoed

No way to stop that

Also if I just double protect what do I do after

[leaden fox]

Ah ok, so they saw the possible protect coming then

[polar canyon]

They'll protect again since I wasted my own perish turn

[leaden fox]

Though funny enough, I can stop my opponent's protects and fake outs with Farig 😅

Imprison ftw xP

[polar canyon]

Maybe I do wanna run tsareena over something actually

Hospitality and life dew are so good tho

Wonder if it's worth the change

[leaden fox]

Sinistcha is best to keep your bulky mon(s) alive if anything

That is why you see it a lot with Archuladon

[polar canyon]

Ye ik and also because defensive grass in rain and all that

[leaden fox]

yep

[polar canyon]

And lack of many g options for the fwg

[leaden fox]

For the time being yeah

[polar canyon]

If you want to close that circle in rain you got like mega meganium and mega venu and maybe tsareena

Rotom mow if you're funny

[cyan smelt]

I want to use hisuian decidueye

[polar canyon]

Kalos check out my team

https://pokepast.es/244f6bbe57a5bd0f

The 6 gs

[cyan smelt]

This team was built to stop gambit and sneasler lmao

[polar canyon]

Gambit actually is giving me a hard time thats why I'm thinking abt tsareena

Not exactly built perfectly for gambit unless you mean hitting it with heat wave on switch in

[cyan smelt]

Tsareena can low kick it

[polar canyon]

My outs are either having to make reads with sucker punch or keeping chomp alive

[cyan smelt]

Tsareena and delphox have good synergy

[polar canyon]

Or just block the sucker while heat wave ohkos it

[leaden fox]

Tsareena won't be able to one shot Kingambit if it has a Chople Berry; and many run it

[cyan smelt]

Heat wave should do it though

[leaden fox]

Yeah, Heat Wave can

[cyan smelt]

Tsareena is also good against aero

[polar canyon]

Tsareena just doesn't entirely help with basc but gambit is my bigger problem

[leaden fox]

if fast enough yes

[winter fox]

Is it normal for scarfed Typhlosion to get outsped?

[polar canyon]

Still gonna get one shot by like 150 bp last respects

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but unless you resist you are not living that

[polar canyon]

I mean depends just dont expect it to go faster than like mega aerodactyl

[timber falcon]

what

skill swapping intimidate to raise spatck

[cyan smelt]

They're getting clever

[timber falcon]

genuinely just swept me

[cyan smelt]

Skill swap wyrdeer was a niche thing in sv

[timber falcon]

mind you this is rain dance wyrdeer with zard y

[cyan smelt]

Uh, wut

[timber falcon]

so hes just got this rain mode with milotic all planned out

[cyan smelt]

That is insane

Genuinely cooking

[leaden fox]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2609145627
This is why I love Farigiraf 🤣 (My Username is DanielCarter, just an alias xD)

[timber falcon]

complete wipe

cts is gonna be the death of me

[cyan smelt]

God, mega venusaur is tanky

[leaden fox]

Thick Fat

[cyan smelt]

I always underestimate it but it is thiccccc

[leaden fox]

Yeah, gets good bulk + Thick Fat for Fire and Ice damage; so it is pretty good

Though Psychic types tend to destroy it 😅

[cyan smelt]

Wait maybe i could also run aero + farig

I was looking to do tailroom anyway

[leaden fox]

Aero is the fastest non-prankster tailwind setter as well

[cyan smelt]

Aero is great against sneasler which is lowkey my biggest opp rn

Well that and rain but i feel like everyone struggles with rain

[leaden fox]

Yep, Dual Wingbeat + Tough Claws; and even non-Mega Aero can win with Dual Wingbeat, that is how frail Sneasler is

[cyan smelt]

My wincon against sun has also been setting up tr so it'd be nice to not be strictly reliant on tr

[leaden fox]

Luckily Arch I tend to face are slower than my adamant max atk HSamurott unless Tailwind is up

So Sacred Sword + Sharpness destroys it

[cyan smelt]

I feel like people are sleeping on hisuian samurott

[winter fox]

I was on showdown using a team I had previously used in Champions. And I had gotten outsped by a Kleavor pre-tailwind and a Meowscarada. I had Frisk and the Meowscarada wasn't scarfed it was sashed.

[cyan smelt]

Ceaseless edge + sacred sword + aqua cutter

[leaden fox]

H-Samurott is such a good mon because of Sharpness

Glad I got it as a shiny in PLA XD

[cyan smelt]

You know hisuian samurott might work well on tailroom

[leaden fox]

It does, I know

[cyan smelt]

But i might stick with gambit

Gambit is good in tailroom too

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/f84b5e71b8a09af7 need a bit of advice with this

[leaden fox]

Works better in Tailwind, but if your opponent is too fast with tailwind of their own, you can opt into TR

[timber falcon]

despite it being built around primarina initially, i havent been bringing it to games, at all. Would sylveon work better or should i change sets?

[cyan smelt]

How about basc

[timber falcon]

thats a shout

[leaden fox]

tbf, the mons do work, though hard to really say about Skarmory atm, but can be wrong.

[timber falcon]

surprisingly im finding it amazing, most Zard Y's run bulk cause theyre scared of OHKO which lets me outspeed, though even bulkier sets only have a 87% chance of living the rock tomb

and i enjoy the synergy with Kommo-o against fairies

[timber falcon]

i think if i run basc ill get rid of farig

[cyan smelt]

Then you leave yourself open to sucker punches

[leaden fox]

And Fake outs

And Sableye >_>

[timber falcon]

thats true

[cyan smelt]

And whims

[timber falcon]

farig stays for now

but i might change the set instead

[leaden fox]

@timber falcon You could run the set I run; stops Hyper Voice spammers

Imprison, Hyper Voice, Trick Room and Protect

[cyan smelt]

Options, basc, sylveon, blastoise (yuck), camerupt

[leaden fox]

That Imprison locks out so many plays for your opponent, especially if invested in enough bulk

[timber falcon]

i think i might do smth similar but psychic over protect. Hyper voice isnt much of a threat rn i feel

wait

i forgot farig isnt the only hyper voice user

youre a genius

[cyan smelt]

Prim, garde

Sylveon

[leaden fox]

Exactly

[timber falcon]

all mons kommo-o despises

[leaden fox]

This way, your Farig protects your Kommo more

[cyan smelt]

Soundproof kommo-o don't need to worry bout hyper voice

[timber falcon]

omg ive been running bullet proof

[leaden fox]

xD

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but kommo-o still does not want to see those mons because they could be running moonblast or dazzling gleam

[leaden fox]

Though with Imprison, you won't need to worry about your opponent spamming protect xD

[timber falcon]

thats when skarmory steps in for me

question is now what basc set do i run

[leaden fox]

depends on the item you choose

[cyan smelt]

Hmmm it's hard because both farig and basc want the colbur berry

[leaden fox]

if choice scarf: aqua jet, last respects, flip turn, wavecrash/liqiuidation

[timber falcon]

i prefer colbur on farig tbh, comes in clutch when tr is absoltely needed

[leaden fox]

Plus if you have Farig still up, you won't worry about priority moves on your Basc

[timber falcon]

yh

[cyan smelt]

White herb on sneasler, sash basc?

[timber falcon]

ill go scarf

[leaden fox]

if you go scarf, make sure you are "adapability" basc, then you can add more speed in if you wish to

[timber falcon]

sash sneasler has been putting in the work for me for the time being so im hesitant. WIth less and less incins, being able to live one hot guarantee im much happier getting those CCs safely

[leaden fox]

Jolly Nature Basc with choice scarf = 214 speed, which outspeeds Aero

[timber falcon]

maybe ill lead smth like Kommo-0 + support and have scarf basc for clean up?

with farig in the back if things get dicey

which leaves sneasler and Skarmory for special cases

[cyan smelt]

Scarf basc is solid

[timber falcon]

are they usually adamant or jolly?

[leaden fox]

basc is either yeah, but if you wanna outspeed aero, you have to go jolly since many aero are jolly

[timber falcon]

alr thanks

[gentle crag]

otot8953 has given 1 Gen Rep to djdanny88

[leaden fox]

basc adamant with choice scarf is 195 speed, 5 speed less than jolly aero

[timber falcon]

ill just go 2/32/32 for now

[leaden fox]

though if mega aero, will be impossible to outspeed then xP

[cyan smelt]

Scarf adaptability right

[leaden fox]

yep

[timber falcon]

so far my method for dealing with this is just skarmory or surprisingly scovillain

[cyan smelt]

I hate scarf adaptability

[timber falcon]

me too, but only when im on the recieving end

[leaden fox]

yeah, though that'll depend on what you are facing too, especially if many special attackers come your way on mega scov

[timber falcon]

yeah ill have to figure the MUs as i go

anyways i really appreciate the help with this both of you, its late so ill start playtesting tomr

[leaden fox]

All good 🙂 I need to sleep now anyways xD

0:28am here xD

[timber falcon]

same

UK?

[leaden fox]

yep

[spark siren]

Should I change my team’s moveset? If so, what would you recommend?

[elder charm]

you would have to have two different modes bc you cant bring both megas at the same time

[elder charm]

Why no weather ball?

on meganium

i mean i guess you already have fire coverage but still

[spark siren]

Yeah I forgot to change meganium’s moveset

[elder charm]

standard mega nium is solar beam dgleam weather ball protect

im using meganium on my team rn and its pretty standard

[rustic mountain]

earth power is still reasonable tho i do think weather ball offers wider range of coverage really just depends

[elder charm]

yea cuz earth power only really covers electric types

[rustic mountain]

certain fire types that otherwise wall u, arch

it has merit, its just tradeoffs like anything, now u cant hit corv really if u dont have weather ball, cant deal w/ gambit as effectively etc

[lavish frost]

I tried ep over gleam before but I think outside of scizor, it feels weather ball hits roughly for the same dmg to most of the mons you wanna click a se ep for

[elder charm]

gambit he could just close combat

[rustic mountain]

huh

[elder charm]

why switch dgleam tho its stab

[elder charm]

he has a sneasler

[rustic mountain]

fair

[lavish frost]

Cuz I thought gleam doesnt hit that hard and you weren't hitting many mons se outside of chomp

[rustic mountain]

ahhh ok, so yea exactly maybe ur less inclined cuz u hav other means of dealin w/ those other threats

[elder charm]

heres my current team rn

i jst have standard meganium

[rustic mountain]

yea i could see y, i just think fairy coverage especially off stab is hard to pass up

not really that many good fairy resists atm

[elder charm]

everythings just neutral or weak

[lavish frost]

You're right fairy is so spammable in this format

The resists are like zard and aegislash lol

[rustic mountain]

yea its very few

[elder charm]

ive seen tinkatons used

[lavish frost]

I even tried synthesis/protect/solar beam/weather ball at one pt

[elder charm]

bro really does not like gleam

[rustic mountain]

tinkatons cool but its more bound to specific comps like perish rn

[elder charm]

i havent actually gone against a perish yet 😭

[lavish frost]

No it's more of meganium's gleam that I'm slightly sus with specifically when I tried Megamium lol

[rustic mountain]

might not b the worst w/ better enablers but yea not this format

[lavish frost]

Fairy feather sylv, mgardie and floette all hit harder with their fairy spread moves lol

[elder charm]

i hate meganiums quad poison weakness bro

[lavish frost]

And ppl are calcing for those for sure

[rustic mountain]

yea

[lavish frost]

Still, spread fairy stab in this format can't be too wrong

[rustic mountain]

its definitely one of those will day 2 a regional but desperately needs a 2nd mega that prolly does most of the heavy lifting

[lavish frost]

I like meganium so I'll take not being a complete bum a w

Meganium fans can't be too greedy

[rustic mountain]

its far better then wat ppl expected

[lavish frost]

It's been sht for decades before this

[rustic mountain]

best of the za starter megas

[elder charm]

mega sol is just cracked bro

and then fairy typing helps it too

[rustic mountain]

a good ability often will b a huge difference maker in relevancy, look at mega emboar

[spark siren]

Dragonize (mega Feraligatr) could see some use

[rustic mountain]

i only see it getting worse

[elder charm]

bro i still wish they gave dnite aerilate

[rustic mountain]

i think u can prolly do well w/ it on ladder but at a regional level i dont see it

[rustic mountain]

its honestly solid all things considered

[lavish frost]

Lowkey tho when me and my friend were brainstorming teams that have mega²nium, often we felt mvenu kinda slots just as well if not better than it

[rustic mountain]

multiscale is a good ability to maintain/add on

[rustic mountain]

kinda yea lol

especially since venu/meganium are on like sand as a dual mega and its like do i really want both my megas to just be 4x weak to sneasler?

[lavish frost]

The lack of abusable weaknesses makes it so much easier to build teams with mvenu since it doesnt ask for as much babysitting as meganium

[spark siren]

I prefer psycho cut over zen headbutt on Mega Starmie for consistent accuracy. Plus, Huge Power increases Psycho Cut’s damage output

[rustic mountain]

mega starmie been picking up a little recently

[elder charm]

why doesnt rotom wash have a reliable 100% accurate water move 💔

it only has hydro pump

[rustic mountain]

no rotom has a guaranteed 100% powerful secondary stab

leaf storm, overheat, hydro pump, blizzard

[elder charm]

technically base rotom does

can yall help me with my ev spreads

theyre decent rn but im still worried

[rustic mountain]

just calc stuff

if u dont have anything off rip, play games, if theres something causing u issues u can reasonable calc for u, u adjust

[elder charm]

yea i calced some

it was mainly speed calcs tho

[rustic mountain]

y so much sp def for zard

[elder charm]

not really damage calcs

zard is just ran bulky setup

[rustic mountain]

wats the set up ? is that zard x

[elder charm]

zard x

[rustic mountain]

ahhhh

[elder charm]

ddance

[rustic mountain]

coaching sneasler?

[elder charm]

nah actually

[rustic mountain]

i feel like w/ zard x sini is really nice to have as a redirector/recovery option

[elder charm]

yea someone else told me that too

but id have to replace farig

[rustic mountain]

yea its on most zard x comps

[elder charm]

and i only really bring zard against sun teams

sini isnt good against sun teams i thought

[rustic mountain]

doesnt mean u hav to run it but ive just played vs and seen a lot of them have the sini i think it adds another dimension to the zard x boss mode

[rustic mountain]

zard x is tho

[elder charm]

yea i bring zard x against sun teams

[rustic mountain]

nd thats wat ur enabling

its really jus zard y that threatens it majorly and bascu if u get 1-2 last respects off but if ur hitting the field b4 either and getting ur set up going, prolly shouldnt matter at that point

[elder charm]

i jst deal with bascu with rotom w

speed calcs rotom outspeeds

[rustic mountain]

like oh bascu hits the field u have sini to redirect last respects and ko the basc w/ presumably +1 dragon claw (if not sash)

[elder charm]

even against scarf bascu

[rustic mountain]

bascs on like every team surely theres games u dont bring rotom

other ways to deal w/ threats then lemme click this supereffective move

[elder charm]

also I have two fake out users do i really need sini to set up

[rustic mountain]

set up what on sini, zard x is the set up guy, ur using sini as part of the set up to then keep zard x healthy w/ hospitality and rage powder support

[elder charm]

yea i mean sini to help set up

i have double fake out to help zard set up

[rustic mountain]

i mean ultimately up to u if u need it but its nice to have imo

[elder charm]

but then i lose farig

[viscid garnet]

79% winrate with Pikachu, and 2nd place with Scizor being 61% btw

Also is my highest winrate pokemon overall

[elder charm]

whats your pikachu set

[spark siren]

Two forfeits in a row

[viscid garnet]

It’s changed some over time but these are some examples, lowkey might start doing max spatk volt switch, electroweb, protect and fakeout. But he’s mainly a support so i use him as such. He’s kinda useless being bulky, he survives 1 aero rock slide with the maxspatk set

[cyan smelt]

Does pika outspeed aero

[viscid garnet]

Hell no, not even raichu. He outspeeds in tailwind without aero doing the same though

I could invest in making him just outspeed mega aero in tailwind, and then invest the rest in his bulk

He actually outspeeds aero in tailwind without speed investment

[solid frigate]

fake out should able to stop it setting up anyyway

[viscid garnet]

But i cant afford to make his speed lower at all from max 156 though since he wants to outspeed most meta mons even without scarf

But yeah fakeout against aero gives me free tailwind and a KO against it in most scenarios

Just volt switch that hoe in tailwind

But pikachu just has to stay alive first turn, which most people underestimate pikachu being a threat to their team especially max spatk

Light ball damage of course

Most people i fight often dont target pikachu first turn (unless you’re sneasler; screw that mon)

Funny enough i hit ultra in less than 10 games lmao

3 losses 9 games i believe

And im pretty sure one of those losses i did NOT use pikachu because i felt it was useless in that matchup, but i def needed it lmao

Legit using the copy-pasted ariados team and replaced it with Pikachu, still provides speed control with e-web, but it’s role is vastly different and i have to play different than the ariados team, so im slowly learning

Fake out disrupt is VERY nice for aero control

And he’s able to beat incin very easily in the fake out war

First turn i see incin out, i fake out the other mon in case they attempt to fake out my pikachu, always nice to get a free setup if possible

[cyan smelt]

Can't believe there's a meta where ariados is a check to sneasler lmao

[foggy lodge]

lmao

i mean it was just cts things

fede said that if you want to run the team in bo3 you should run Aegislash instead cuz it just kind of does the same as Ariados but better

[cyan smelt]

True aegislash completely walls sneasler unless it has throat chop which, who runs that

[viscid garnet]

This bruh

[winter fox]

I just remembered Xerneas is probably coming back to terrorize the meta again

[cyan smelt]

Xerneas + primal groudon + smeargle + raging bolt

[chrome knot]

Primarina

I want a primarina team @spiral ridge

[spiral ridge]

Do you want my help making one?

[chrome knot]

idk

one should just fall into my hands bc im awesome

my current view of prim rn is

[spiral ridge]

My team is sun I don’t have a prim team at the ready rn but uhh would defo be scared of sneasler with no Tera

I’d say but it next to a Pelipper ig

[chrome knot]

calm mind is op

i cant tell if damage boost or jus leftovers is better, probably leftovers atm bc staying power is god tier for this format

the redirector is important, maybe its mega scov or its chople encore maus

incin / sneasler slot is mandatory maybe both but both cuts flexibility in favour of all eggs in the primarina basket

other supporting cast / team would have to be kinda egregious offensively? pair with mega aero?

[spiral ridge]

Uhh

You still seem kinda in danger to poison so a ground type or psychic?

[chrome knot]

unfortunately all the ground types suck ass

options include: garchomp

and….

garchomp!

[spiral ridge]

I like Garchomp what da heck

[chrome knot]

landorus

[spiral ridge]

Uh
Would peli be good into Sneasler

Or is it being too slow and getting dire claw something too high risk

[chrome knot]

no it wouldn’t be rain

[spiral ridge]

Not saying it has to be rain core team but just as an option

[cyan smelt]

Isn't scizor good into sneasler

Or aegislash

[spiral ridge]

I think Emma is prolly above using scizor maybe not aegi tho

Aegi isn’t terrible

I fear sun into this team would be a big pain

[cyan smelt]

Electric type stab might be good

Rotom?

[nocturne holly]

Yo what starter do I pick in champions that gives me the best vgc mons

[chrome knot]

@spiral ridge can u go set rn i need to test a dumb idea

[spiral ridge]

Can I be given twenty to shower

I smell

[chrome knot]

noo dusk got eta of 5mins

before borderlands and then im bed right after'

[spiral ridge]

I genuinely am one foot into the shower I’m sorry

[chrome knot]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HGs27TiboAAyQGr.webp

[spiral ridge]

IM NOT TURNING OFF THID WATER AND GRTTING DRESSED TO DO A DUMB SET IDEA 😭

I’m sorry love I’ll help next time I can

Might need scarf basc tho for sun teams if had to guess

[nocturne holly]

Anyone 🤧🤧
I’m not gonna use the team ver batim but like the mons in it that are good rn

[cyan smelt]

What do you mean by best starter

[indigo coral]

Pikachu

[shadow wind]

Eevee?

[nocturne holly]

Like the team that comes with it

[dense latch]

https://game8.co/games/Pokemon-Champions/archives/592056 idk if you have the teams each one comes with but they’re here if you dont

each team has like one or two really good mons

getting gambit chomp and gengar off rip seems nice from the pikachu team

but it depends on what u can get from older games and such too

[nocturne holly]

Yea that’s what I was thinking

I got home and sword and violet

So that’s like a ton of transferable mons right

Also how do the new stat spread works

[rustic mountain]

i didnt even know this was a thing

[rustic mountain]

should be a decent amount from either, its only like 180ish mons tho so not that big of a pool either

new stat spread is 66 overall max 32 in a stat, im not sure exactly how the conversions work

[chrome knot]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2609268596-hf2ot1ip5b658u6b7ndaymhrrtljn85pw

[spiral ridge]

You’re dusk?

Or were you facing her

[dense latch]

each new ev thing is one extra stat point

so it’s equal to 4 evs for the first point in each stat then equal to 8 evs afterwards

[chrome knot]

yeah my acc is duskincarnate

[spiral ridge]

Ohh ok

Wp

[cyan smelt]

No lycanroc dusk, false advertising

[nocturne holly]

Oh that’s much simpler

That’s so much nicer

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/weiii-wei-daitaku-helios-daitaku-heriosu-ダイタクヘリオス-gif-6178655896824404000

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/lycanroc-bark-barking-dusklycanroc-happy-gif-4474716292348428473

[cyan smelt]

Lycanroc dusk is a good boi

[sudden remnant]

truly

best boy

[cyan smelt]

Tough claws accelerock and close combat

[old jay]

I wanna make a mega froslass team, whats a good Zard Y counter?

[cyan smelt]

Garchomp

[old jay]

Ahhh I see, thank u

[clever root]

Is one of these combos any sauce

I could spam crit EQ's then with garchomp

[cyan smelt]

Double ice weakness ehhhhh double fairy weakness ehhhh dragon cheer is really risky

If you really want to do it use pult so you avoid fo

[clever root]

Oh yeah it wont be my main strat, just a side one, im thinkin noivern too so I can use telepath and then run sludge wave mega glimm too

[cyan smelt]

I always see noivern with frisk

[sudden remnant]

salazzle gets dragon cheer btw

[mystic spade]

seems more effort than it's worth

[sudden remnant]

which doesnt share weaknesses with most of the relevant dragons and covers them quite well

[mystic spade]

it gets turbo oneshot by EQ

also you're using a salazzle

[sudden remnant]

which is what the focus sash item is for

[sudden remnant]

dont hate on the lizard

[mystic spade]

so instead of being oneshot by your teammate, you only take 99%

[sudden remnant]

you hate her cuz you aint her

[mystic spade]

huge technology to be sure

[mystic spade]

factcheck true

[sudden remnant]

bro do you know how many pokemon are only relevant because of focus sash thats not a new concept 😭

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-true-facts-well-well-well-gif-8782214195066290816

[mystic spade]

there's a difference between using sash to guarantee you can attack or set tailwind

and using sash so your own mon doesn't kill its ally instantly

[sudden remnant]

111 spa and 117 speed isnt even that bad either

[sudden remnant]

i was suggesting salazzle cuz they mentioned dragon cheer

and it gets it and is fast and isnt weak to ice or fairy

[clever root]

Yeah but always crit dracos are funny as hell

Its why I was leaning towards trying it with arch

[sudden remnant]

assuming you dont miss

[clever root]

REAL

700 misses inbound

[sudden remnant]

anyways

cuz i suggest salazzle to your dragon cheer cause

[cyan smelt]

Wish i could use sniper kingdra again

[sudden remnant]

😀

[sudden remnant]

i just want mawile 😔

[cyan smelt]

U have tinkaton

[sudden remnant]

yes which only has huge power in fakemon games

its not the same

nom nom gremlin vs big hammer gremlin

[cyan smelt]

Skill swap huge power onto it

[sudden remnant]

does azumarill get entrainment

[cyan smelt]

No

[sudden remnant]

😨

i have to use the patrick starfish?

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[sudden remnant]

gross

i fw starmie i hate how they memed the mega design

[cyan smelt]

But funny 150 base attack gigaton hammer

[sudden remnant]

uh you mean 170

[cyan smelt]

Is tinkaton base 85

[sudden remnant]

75+75+20(cuz of 31 ivs at level 50) +20 cuz its 95x2

[cyan smelt]

I wonder if that can ko resists

[sudden remnant]

mathematically it would be base 170 but it would show as 190

cuz of 31 ivs

[sudden remnant]

i imagine most mons wouldnt like a 222 attack gigaton hammer

+10% if +atk nature soooooo 244?

[cyan smelt]

That sort of thing is incredibly funny to me

[sudden remnant]

160 base power stab move on 244 attack

yeah even some resists arent living that

[cyan smelt]

That's actually very scary

[sudden remnant]

and the only draw back is you cant click it twice in a row

🔥🔥🔥

[cyan smelt]

If you instruct it you can

[sudden remnant]

i cant plan all that

i already have to plan the skill swap

what do i kill my own starmie 😭

wait does starmie get explosion/self destruct

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-hehehe-gift-racoon-hand-gif-16080265140699663772

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

[cyan smelt]

This is gonna be hilarious

[sudden remnant]

252+ Atk Huge Power Tinkaton Gigaton Hammer vs. 44 HP / 132 Def Charizard-Mega-Y: 109-129 (68.5 - 81.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

aw man

[cyan smelt]

Not enough

[sudden remnant]

the fake out would do about 20% if i had huge power already

but i wouldnt

however

4 Atk Starmie-Mega Explosion vs. 44 HP / 132 Def Charizard-Mega-Y: 74-88 (46.5 - 55.3%) -- 70.3% chance to 2HKO

thats some yummy damage

[cyan smelt]

I think it only gets self destruct

[sudden remnant]

4 Atk Starmie-Mega Self-Destruct vs. 44 HP / 132 Def Charizard-Mega-Y: 59-70 (37.1 - 44%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

still more than enough for a gigaton hammer to nuke it

even if both min roll

[sudden remnant]

1 stage for non dragons

👀

+1 252+ Atk Huge Power Tinkaton Gigaton Hammer vs. 44 HP / 132 Def Charizard-Mega-Y: 162-192 (101.8 - 120.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Huge Power Tinkaton Gigaton Hammer vs. 44 HP / 132 Def Charizard-Mega-Y on a critical hit: 164-193 (103.1 - 121.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

if i can get +1 i can nuke the zard

whats the se fire berry called

[cyan smelt]

Occa

Why are you doing this 😭

[sudden remnant]

why am i doing what

88+ SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Occa Berry Tinkaton in Sun: 142-168 (73.9 - 87.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[chrome knot]

still uses the old calculator lol

[sudden remnant]

i dont feel like changing to nimbasa whatever its called

88+ SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Weather Ball (100 BP Fire) vs. 88 HP / 44 SpD Occa Berry Tinkaton in Sun: 136-162 (79.5 - 94.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

hm

nevermind i cant outspeed unless im max speed jolly

so max hp max attack it is

[cyan smelt]

But why when u can use garchomp

[sudden remnant]

because im not using chomp

[cyan smelt]

Huge power garchomp

[sudden remnant]

huge power leafeon 😀

[cyan smelt]

How can it even hit zard y

[sudden remnant]

ill show you

okay so

solarblade with huge power does 40%

however

leafeon gets a very large number of physical normal moves

252+ Atk Huge Power Leafeon Double-Edge vs. 44 HP / 132 Def Charizard-Mega-Y: 140-165 (88 - 103.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

if i get +1:
+1 252+ Atk Huge Power Leafeon Body Slam vs. 44 HP / 132 Def Charizard-Mega-Y: 148-175 (93 - 110%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

[cyan smelt]

I wanna skill swap huge power onto gambit

[sudden remnant]

if im +1 double edge does a MINIMUM of 130%

but like at +1 i can ko with body slam 63% of the time and not take recoil

252+ Atk Huge Power Leafeon Body Slam vs. 44 HP / 132 Def Charizard-Mega-Y on a critical hit: 148-175 (93 - 110%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

or i can try that too

i could use noivern

i wouldnt be chlorophyll so id want speed control

and i can go scope lens on leafeon and dragon cheer noivern

and noivern also has screech

and is faster than non-chlorophyll leafeon

wait if i go screech i dont even need to crit

252 Atk Huge Power Leafeon Body Slam vs. -2 44 HP / 132 Def Charizard-Mega-Y: 181-214 (113.8 - 134.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

😝

might actually use body slam on the leafeon im planning to use with banette

cuz that doesnt sound that bad

sounds stupid even to me but i just wanna check an opponent at -2 defense would be the same as me at +2 attack right?

[cyan smelt]

What does banette do

[sudden remnant]

prankster and big pp damage

its a ghost type with prankster so it gets like every status move possible

[cyan smelt]

That's awesome

[sudden remnant]

after it megas ofc

[cyan smelt]

I like ghost types with prankster, i don't like whims tho

[sudden remnant]

its base form has frisk which has its own uses

i get info AND i get a ghost type with prankster

[cyan smelt]

Isn't banette kinda frail

[sudden remnant]

im running it max hp

i also have destiny bond on it accounting for that

[cyan smelt]

Everyone running banette has destiny bond on it

[sudden remnant]

which makes sense

cuz its paper frail

[cyan smelt]

I like mega banette

[sudden remnant]

i also like mega banette

i wish i had a shiny banette but it is what it is

[cyan smelt]

What's ur fav mega

[sudden remnant]

mawile

[cyan smelt]

Also have u seen this tech, scovillain spicy extract next to white herb sneasler

[sudden remnant]

delphox banette manectric and absol Z are up there though

[cyan smelt]

Mega manectric looks angry

[sudden remnant]

i love mega manectric

manectric is a good dog

[cyan smelt]

Walls arch as regular manectric then can intim the basc

[cyan smelt]

Can we have garmanitan and dracovish back please

[sudden remnant]

can i have mienshao?

[cyan smelt]

So it can die to aero?

[sudden remnant]

you mean so aero can die to it

[cyan smelt]

Is it faster than aero

[sudden remnant]

no

but mienshao gets fake out and gets rock moves

and fighting is also neutral which is worth considering

[sudden remnant]

boooooo

what a trash ability

[cyan smelt]

U know what's good

[sudden remnant]

intimidate

[cyan smelt]

Swagger next to own tempo tinkaton

[sudden remnant]

swagger next to lum berry leafeon

https://tenor.com/view/leafeon-pokemon-eevee-happy-gif-27462633

[cyan smelt]

Why you obsessed with leafeon

[sudden remnant]

cuz leafeon my boi

and nobody else ever thinks about leafeon

[supple latch]

Fav Pokémon I’m guessing?

[sudden remnant]

no my favorite is mawile

[supple latch]

Hey I think Leafy is cute

[sudden remnant]

leafeon is high on my list for sure but mawile is my favorite

[sudden remnant]

its a slicing move 😀

[cyan smelt]

I kinda wanna use hamurott

[sudden remnant]

wanna know whats crazy about you saying that

[cyan smelt]

What

[cyan smelt]

Screech and icy wind, ur missing the point of hamurott

[sudden remnant]

its job is to support

although i dont need to fish anymore so i gotta swap out basc

[supple latch]

I’m actually using Samurott as a fast attacker with Choice Scarf

[sudden remnant]

im using it as a semi support

max hp max speed 2 hp and adamant

with lefties

might swap lefties for sitrus

i gotta find a replacement for the fih

chat do i add heliolisk

no it wants sash and my sash is taken

[cyan smelt]

Add one of the elemental monkeys

[sudden remnant]

i already have a fwg

or i so would

[cyan smelt]

Or do shed tail focus punch mega golurk

[sudden remnant]

um im running a solo mega

also mega golurk is a fucking fraud

i am on board with the shed tail idea

[cyan smelt]

Shed tail is just really funny

[sudden remnant]

shiiiiit i guess i am using heliolisk

it will be weird to use though

[cyan smelt]

How you using it without weather

[sudden remnant]

cuz solar power and dry skin both do 1/8 of its own health in sun

[sudden remnant]

its a sun team dawg

[cyan smelt]

O cos leafeon

[sudden remnant]

and kanto ninetales

and mega banette has sunny day

[cyan smelt]

Has anyone successfully ran heliolisk on sand

[sudden remnant]

x to doubt

its use case rn is dry skin as an anti basculegion

[sudden remnant]

ermmmm too slow

[cyan smelt]

That's smart i didn't think of that

Does it have weather ball for gambits

[sudden remnant]

wait it being slow is a good thing

[sudden remnant]

heliolisk?

[cyan smelt]

Yes

[sudden remnant]

yes it does in fact

[cyan smelt]

Goat

[sudden remnant]

am i using heliolisk or orthworm

hmm orthworm gives me slow pivot and has higher base hp

[cyan smelt]

Heliolisk, orthworm is only good with chomp

[sudden remnant]

yeah but like orthworm gives slow pivot

and has higher base hp to use for the substitute

and also gives me a steel type

and heliolisks abilities both cause it to take damage in sun

and the third ability isnt worth talking about

[cyan smelt]

Wonder if conner has ever tried sand veil heliolisk

[sudden remnant]

https://pokepast.es/2868241b5637b708

yes im crazy

[cyan smelt]

Tf am i looking at

[sudden remnant]

thats what i want my opponents to ask

looking at this team what would you think im trying to do

without knowing the specifics ofc

[cyan smelt]

Random crap

[sudden remnant]

like using the logic of planning what you would do against it what would you think id be doing

[cyan smelt]

I always like to get rid of orthworm because it's annoying af

[sudden remnant]

and what would you think id want to do with the shed tail

im asking cuz i want to ask around what people think im doing for a little personal knowledge

[cyan smelt]

Set up sub for one of the other mons

[sudden remnant]

well yeah but who would you think the shed tail is for

[cyan smelt]

Leafeon

Lots of things in the meta threaten it

[sudden remnant]

hm

what if i dont even bring the leafeon

what would you suspect the sub is for then?

[cyan smelt]

Banette, it's frail

[nocturne holly]

Is there a list of rental teams for champions
Looking for a Basc one

[sudden remnant]

what if banette was my lead next to the worm

[sleek vortex]

Swift swim mystic water with peliper + Arch, Sneasler

[cyan smelt]

Sylveon

[sleek vortex]

My beloved

[sudden remnant]

he was guessing who my orthworms shed tail would be for if i didnt bring my leafeon

[sleek vortex]

Nothing you have is particularly bulky so would appreciate sub

[sudden remnant]

a lot of them are running max hp

which is something to consider

[sleek vortex]

Have you done calcs?

[sudden remnant]

yes

[sleek vortex]

Ah ok then

[sudden remnant]

ive done probably an excessive amount of calcs

[cyan smelt]

On the old calc 😭

[sudden remnant]

yes

just takes a bit of extra math

thats all

[cyan smelt]

Why make it harder on urself?

[sudden remnant]

cuz im more familiar with showdown calc

[real prairie]

FINALLY ! XL Maushold the feisty!

Shiny

[chrome knot]

nerdofnow is the better calculator

[spiral ridge]

You’re the nerd of now

[chrome knot]

and youre dead of now

[spiral ridge]

Yay!

[chrome knot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1445904454967885856/1484773537209126922/ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[spiral ridge]

https://tenor.com/view/timmy-no-candy-gif-5909516713687615776

[timber falcon]

How do you deal with intimidate Incin

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/hyper-beam-pokemon-sylveon-garchomp-pokemon-champions-gif-14659119572912388360

[neat dust]

Can’t wait till landorus becomes legal

[leaden fox]

Likely won't be until maybe late this year

[leaden fox]

Though also depends on when they will add in sub-legends 😅

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/04269b80f1f69f0c been through a few play testing and this is what ive come up with

[leaden fox]

Looks good 🙂

[neat dust]

Looks nice What’s occa berry again

[leaden fox]

weakens a fire type attack

[sudden remnant]

sylveon telling it “Just this once”

[split stone]

This guy has to be hacking. Fucking Getting 3 quick claws pops in a row

[bold geode]

Nah just munchin on a clover

[chrome knot]

no youre right hes hacking

[cerulean nacelle]

Quick claw and bright powder are both tilting

[leaden fox]

tbf, I'd rather have Covert Cloak and Clear Amulet over Quick Claw and Bright Powder 😅

At least THOSE are fine xD

[spiral ridge]

You’re hacking

[sudden remnant]

i miss covert cloak so much

clear amulet would be nice too for my araquanid

[leaden fox]

Yeah, at least with Clear Amulet and Covert Cloak, you didn't get screwed over from held item luck >_<

[timber falcon]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2609844518 just started the ladder climb, Kommo-o and tink already putting in the work

[pearl wind]

this game can be so annoying

like wdym black glasses sucker punch pult??

[sudden remnant]

lmao

its cts you gotta expect the unexpected

like fire lash gyarados

[timber falcon]

I can’t even fathom what MU requires this

[sudden remnant]

maybe like max speed jolly mega gengar in tailwind? 😭🙏🏻

or maybe its for dragapult mirrors?

100 special attack

is special dragapult a thing

besides just running draco and then just all physical moves

[cerulean nacelle]

Went against maybe the dumbest mega gengar perish trap user.

[sudden remnant]

perish trap is hard to pull off correctly

[cerulean nacelle]

Wasn't even that. He set up perish trap in front of my mega camerupt.

1 EP and bye bye perish trap.

He didn't lead incin which is smart because I was using TR, it would've been blocked by farigiraf

But christ. Don't do perish song in front of the very obvious gengar killing mon.

[sudden remnant]

perish trap is seriously missing gothitelle lmao

[cerulean nacelle]

Deffo

I do hate mega gengar but I think people using it only for perish trap is underutilising what it can do.

[sudden remnant]

perish trap to nintendo: you took everything from me
nintendo: i dont even know who you are

[cerulean nacelle]

Gengar to nintendo: you took encore from me

Nintendo: yes, fuck off

[sudden remnant]

perish trap when gothitelle returns: but you will

[cerulean nacelle]

Gothitelle has fake out doesn't it?

[sudden remnant]

affirmative

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah so they ain't gonna be reliant on incin. That will help em a load.

[sudden remnant]

exactly 🫩

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm tryna think what other strats will benefit once more mons come back

[sudden remnant]

i dont even like perish trap i just like gothitelle and pokitoed

[cerulean nacelle]

The lilligants coming back will help torkoal.

[cerulean nacelle]

You wolfeglicks illegitimate child or something? 🤣

[sudden remnant]

no

i do not deserve that honor

unless my gimmick team works

[cerulean nacelle]

If you get to masters with your leafeon + mega banette team, I will be seriously impressed lmao.

[sudden remnant]

then id prove myself

[sudden remnant]

i already am in master ball lmao