competitive_discussion

[sudden remnant]

why tf is britain 5 hours ahead of me

im east coast 😭

[neat dust]

Can’t believe nobody likes sableye like US

[leaden fox]

Yeah, that is five hours behind us in the UK xP

[neat dust]

WE love sableye

[stuck perch]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-old-gif-4327453260111621237

[sudden remnant]

im not a sableye fan sorry

[leaden fox]

I know East Coast of US to UK is five hours apart

[sudden remnant]

i absolutely fw its counterpart in ruby mawile though. and banette is peak

[leaden fox]

If I was in Australia, it'd be more like 10 - 12 hour difference

[neat dust]

This dude genuinely tried to cc a baculegion some people deserve to stay in the bottom of masterball

[sudden remnant]

lmao

[leaden fox]

Likely thought you were gonna switch

[sudden remnant]

someone tried to draco my mega gardevoir

i was very confused

[leaden fox]

Right, gonna grab myself some sleep now 😅

[sudden remnant]

deuces gangey

[neat dust]

Might have to remove protect from my bridge set

[neat dust]

alright bro 😎

[sudden remnant]

arch gets aura sphere

something to consider

[neat dust]

people love encore so protect is a liability

[sudden remnant]

i love encore

i won a game just with a scarf zoroark-h and encore whimsicott

they tried clicking sd in front of whim

[neat dust]

got encored again into protect yea it has to go

[neat dust]

Scarf zoroark shadowball 🫩

[sudden remnant]

and didnt learn their lesson andclicked fake out on their next pokemon

[sudden remnant]

no scarf icy wind

it was a chompy

[sudden remnant]

(which was a sneasler btw)

[neat dust]

Garchomp vs vanillite icy wind

[sudden remnant]

and after i encored the sneasler into fake out they just quit

[neat dust]

Anything but switching out

[sudden remnant]

literally

or just dire claw the whim

instead you go for the one move i can abuse

[neat dust]

Camerupt vs -1 aqua jet basc in rain does it ohko

[sudden remnant]

after your swords dance garchonp suffering encore 2 turns before that

[sudden remnant]

remember that its quad weak

[sudden remnant]

although 70/100 is not terrible

i should try kings rock fling weavile

[neat dust]

this guy used trick room and the rest of his pokemon are faster than my bridge

who is genuinely stopping me rn

[neat dust]

what’s the highest bp for fling

[sudden remnant]

🤷‍♂️

[neat dust]

Lowkey fling acrobatics yveltal would be good set

[sudden remnant]

fake out beat up fling

3 different chances to flinch

[neat dust]

evil

[sudden remnant]

you saw my mega banette set

[neat dust]

😭😭

Let’s start running victreebel

[sudden remnant]

nah

destiny bond banette is funnier

[neat dust]

Destiny bond is always funny

nobody expects Barnett which makes it funnier

[sudden remnant]

i could actually give zoroark destiny bond too

[neat dust]

do it

[sudden remnant]

i really should

[neat dust]

“sylveon with destiny bond? Oh”

[sudden remnant]

yeah i trade 2 mons but like i have so much power in the back does it even matter

[neat dust]

Then the real sylveon sweeps

[sudden remnant]

exactly

i could give ninetales heat wave

[neat dust]

I’d throw sash on it then

[sudden remnant]

it has sash

zoroark has spell tag

[neat dust]

perfect

[sudden remnant]

and its perfect cuz even if they frisk my sylveon and find a spell tag it could have shadow ball

[neat dust]

Aura sphere and focus blast are so annoying dude

if I get hit by ONE

[sudden remnant]

me who had focus blast zoroark

[neat dust]

my whole plan goes to shit

I ran into a focus blast charizard and it just blew me

[sudden remnant]

phrasing

[neat dust]

sorry

[sudden remnant]

although i agree focus miss zard is especially evil

[sudden remnant]

dont worry im chillin lmao

just damn freakyzard

[neat dust]

focus blast anything is weird

Makes me wanna do priority moves

[sudden remnant]

[neat dust]

I used to be a kingambit merchant

[neat dust]

😭

[sudden remnant]

gross

cringegambit

gambit was the whole reason i had focus miss in the first place

i wanted to watch the enemy players misery as i landed a focus miss nuking their gambit

[neat dust]

dang didn’t even have to do all that 😭😭😭

one vacuum wave from riolu

[molten oasis]

Really?

[neat dust]

Mach punch from machoke

[sudden remnant]

yes

[molten oasis]

The problem is gambit, not basc, okay dawg

[sudden remnant]

what did i say about the fih?

[neat dust]

Yo but who is stopping tyranitar

[molten oasis]

Basc has barely any fucking counterplay and GAMBIT is the one causing issues

[sudden remnant]

low kick tsareena

[neat dust]

this guy has 384747 weakness and has been dominating since gen 2

[molten oasis]

(Sneasler)

[neat dust]

Upper hand??????

[molten oasis]

For fuck sake it’s a meme

[neat dust]

yes I know

but I thought it was niche

[molten oasis]

I was just, nvm

This format is pretty bad

[sudden remnant]

truth nuke

[molten oasis]

Flinch merchant Aero and barely any counterplay basc

[sudden remnant]

even the sun doesnt stop the fih

[molten oasis]

Floette is also fckn stupid

[neat dust]

I used to be an incineroar merchant this format turned me into a sneasler merchant

[molten oasis]

Incin’s like, fine

Sneasler’s super common which i think is fine, dire claw is fine

[sudden remnant]

incin is in really rough spot rn

[neat dust]

yeah so many special attacker just not worth it

[molten oasis]

That’s not really why but okay

[sudden remnant]

gambit milotic and white herb sneasler cry tears of joy seeing an incineroar

[molten oasis]

Reg f and g and I were all dominated by special attackers and shifu

Items and mons around it affect its usage

[neat dust]

yea but sneasler was never stomping people like this

Mine can’t even take one cc usually

so like what’s the point

Can’t stop attackers or special attackers

[molten oasis]

Sneasler was super good

But we don’t have gholdengo this format which was a huge way to handle it

[neat dust]

Indeedee too

[molten oasis]

It’s just the mons in the format make it harder to run

[sudden remnant]

absolutely no one misses the string cheese

[molten oasis]

You have to choose who you die to

[molten oasis]

I do

I like dengo

[neat dust]

I wonder when people will put down aerodactyl

[molten oasis]

And dengo would be something to fight floette with

[sudden remnant]

or just choose to win

[molten oasis]

When we get better mons to play

[foggy lodge]

When there's more counterplay for other mons

Cuz in reality Aerodactyl is a niche mon as in it just beats some specific stuff while also providing tailwind

But it beats like 5 of the top mons which are what most teams need to beat

So then it sneaks into the top 10 lmao

[neat dust]

I guess it’s like how people used to play pachirisu

😂

[sudden remnant]

252+ Atk Leafeon Solar Blade vs. 12 HP / 0 Def Aerodactyl: 148-175 (94.2 - 111.4%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

252 Atk Aerodactyl Dual Wingbeat (2 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Leafeon: 100-120 (58.1 - 69.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

this is +0 mind you

this is before my swagger lum berry stuff

[neat dust]

I wanna see a match with this team 😂

[sudden remnant]

ill do some showdown matches later

[neat dust]

yea just remind me

[sudden remnant]

basc nukes zard leafeon nukes aero

i imagine floette wouldnt like a fairy feather hyperbeam with its own fairy aura boost

[neat dust]

Forgot about that 😂😂

Fairy is neutral to fairy yea gg

Are YOU the reason floette isn’t top 20 anymore??

[sudden remnant]

maybe

they cant do much to my mega delphox so i might be partially to blame

and after i get leafeon to +2 even sneasler isnt safe from a resisted solar blade

[neat dust]

Gengar stomps your team lowk

[sudden remnant]

are you sure about that

[neat dust]

They can’t go wrong with a sludge bomb in any slot

[sudden remnant]

you forgot i have a scarf fih

[neat dust]

👀

[sudden remnant]

+2 252+ Atk Leafeon Solar Blade vs. 12 HP / 0 Def Sneasler: 156-184 (99.3 - 117.1%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Sneasler Dire Claw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Leafeon: 120-144 (69.7 - 83.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[neat dust]

[sudden remnant]

sneasler? whos that guy.

[neat dust]

sneasler the goat

close combat into zoroark 👀

[sudden remnant]

lmao

that would be really funny

[neat dust]

Wouldn’t even know it was zoroark

nah cuz if I direclaw it and it’s transformed into leaf that would be bad

[sudden remnant]

lmao

ghost resists poison btw

[neat dust]

yeah

[sudden remnant]

so i have an answer for just about everything

idk how much wave crash will do to a mega hawlucha

[neat dust]

One shot if rain

nobody takes wc if don’t resist

[sudden remnant]

its a sun team

but it is adaptability fih

i wanted to complete my fwg core and the only water type that can exist in sun rn is the fih so

basc insta made the team

[neat dust]

Try Rotom heat if basc sucks

[sudden remnant]

rotom wash would keep my fwg core

but like wtf would i want with hydro pump on a sun team

[neat dust]

yea

Any Rotom would fix the garchomp issue

[sudden remnant]

zoroark fixes the chomp issue

actually there is no chomp issue it cant touch leafeon

252 Atk Garchomp Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Leafeon on a critical hit: 84-99 (48.8 - 57.5%) -- 93.4% chance to 2HKO

lmao

even 5 hits from a scale shot would only do 60%

252 Atk Garchomp Scale Shot (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Leafeon on a critical hit: 135-165 (78.4 - 95.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

i dont die even if all 5 hits crit me

thats absurd

[mighty stump]

Electric moves - with that logic people shluldn’t run Basc on Sun but here we are

[sudden remnant]

the logic to run basc on a sun team is its adaptability makes it not care about the sun

so your sentence makes no sense

if i wanted an electric mon theres a whole list of them
that could probably do rotoms job better 😐

[viscid garnet]

Thoughts? Basically trying pikachu on sun 🤷‍♀️ i could def improve it but it’s the planning phase

[neat dust]

Forgot about icy wind 🥹

ok the team is def ready then

[sudden remnant]

also i have the ribbon cat

garchomp hates to see the color pink

my friend is hating on my leafeon 😔

[neat dust]

What set is it again

Solar beam and what else

[sudden remnant]

max hp max attack 2 speed chlorophyll solar blade trailblaze synthesis detect

with a lum berry

as long as i dont face any of you ill be good cuz yall know like the whole strat of the team

https://tenor.com/view/tony-tony-chopper-one-piece-ducking-out-sneak-anime-gif-13933034

although im sure i could find loopholes

[neat dust]

Incineroar victim

lowkey same prob with meganium

[sudden remnant]

yet again you forget about my fih

matter of fact does incin live max spa modest fairy feather pixilate hyper beam

[polar canyon]

Sorry forgot to answer but I'm still experimenting with it

[sudden remnant]

yo wanna see the leafeon team im cooking

[polar canyon]

I thought I'd try speed swap alakazam and when it works it really works but it's inconsistent from how many basculegions and rotoms hard stop it

[polar canyon]

Sure

My response for basc in the back switching in is protect camerupt and switch in sinistcha for redirects but if they lead with it I'm screwed

[neat dust]

Forgot now I imagine you can bait darkest lariat or brutal swing and just flip turn so many options

[sudden remnant]

https://pokepast.es/e706c69bfa240e85
zoroark is spell tag not chople berry

[neat dust]

Phantom force?

[sudden remnant]

yes

[neat dust]

Try aqua jet to kill low hp

[sudden remnant]

thats what quick attack on sylveon is for

[polar canyon]

Looks a bit wack but if it works that's cool, wyd against zard or rain tho

[sudden remnant]

zard can catch this fih and rain can catch this leafeon

[polar canyon]

Like wyd against an archaludon and hurricane peli

[sudden remnant]

arch is taking a scorching sands

[polar canyon]

For like 40%

[sudden remnant]

peli can take this last respects

[polar canyon]

Well did you try it out yet

I can't argue against results

[neat dust]

I Freeze dry pelipper

[polar canyon]

Just looks like it would struggle against archa rain to me

[neat dust]

Leafeon can take an electro shot

probobaly

[sudden remnant]

also how much does arch take from a spell tag shadow ball

[polar canyon]

Yeah for sure but then do what

[sudden remnant]

for sure it can

[neat dust]

My arch can take 2 but not everybody goes bulk

You might run into snarl/stall bridges

If so that’s an easy match

[sudden remnant]

spell tag zoroark shadow ball?

[spark siren]

Is m-2 starting now?

[neat dust]

yea

[sudden remnant]

its the same as season 1

[polar canyon]

63-75 no bulk arch actually more than I thought

[sudden remnant]

is that shadow ball or scorching sands

[polar canyon]

Bitter malice

[sudden remnant]

calc shadow ball im not using bitter malice

[lavish frost]

https://pokepast.es/126975c2dc921c25
I was using this for most of the season and only rly started trying Vivillon on sd 2 days ago

[polar canyon]

79.8% max roll on 2 hp arch

With timid 32 spatk

[sudden remnant]

yummy

[neat dust]

If only aurorus didn’t have abysmal typing

[polar canyon]

You also get one shot by electro shot

[sudden remnant]

destiny bond

[polar canyon]

Oh zoroark gets that?

[neat dust]

yes

[sudden remnant]

yep

[polar canyon]

That's nasty maybe I should use it

I'd use it with dash

[lavish frost]

I peaked at 2300 on cart using Aurorus

[neat dust]

Just illusion basc and click destiny

[sudden remnant]

if it works is there anything else to say lmao

[lavish frost]

it's not the highest but not bad I think

[polar canyon]

Holy

[sudden remnant]

LMAO you’re cooking

[lavish frost]

Also this is me running Aurorus here

[neat dust]

try sash aurorus

[lavish frost]

32+ SpA Charizard Heat Wave vs. 1 HP / 16 SpD Aurorus: 55-66 (27.6 - 33.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

[polar canyon]

Can you share with the class

What's the strat

[lavish frost]

Aurorus safely switches in on zardy to remove the sun

[polar canyon]

Aurorus has snow warning?

[shadow wind]

That’s non mega

[neat dust]

Idk what coverage people have these days any 4x weakness has me paranoid

[lavish frost]

oh you right

[polar canyon]

I only remember it for having glaciate I keep forgetting that

Now I wanna copy you and run it

Any notes on how to use it

[sudden remnant]

*refridgerate

glaciate is a move exclusive to kyurem

[neat dust]

Reminding me of glalie

[polar canyon]

Yeah somethingate

[neat dust]

some dude exploded and I double protected

[lavish frost]

32+ SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Heat Wave vs. 1 HP / 16 SpD Aurorus: 73-87 (36.6 - 43.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[neat dust]

😂 😂

[lavish frost]

doesnt change what I said tho

[polar canyon]

Least predictable explosion glalie player

[sudden remnant]

i love doing that

even better if you wide guard and finish off their other pokemon

[lavish frost]

32+ Atk Adaptability Basculegion Last Respects vs. 1 HP / 18 Def Aurorus in Snow: 166-196 (83.4 - 98.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

also against 200 bp last respects which can matter especially vs scarf bascs

[sudden remnant]

now calc the wave crash

[polar canyon]

Wow

[neat dust]

I didn’t even know snorlax could either and I had basc and sableye on my side once

dude nuked his team

[polar canyon]

Snorlax could what

[sudden remnant]

explode

[neat dust]

Explode

[lavish frost]

I know wave crash kills which is why I highlighted it can matter vs scarf bascs that chooses to lock to last respects lategame

[polar canyon]

Anyone can explode just usually not voluntarily

[sudden remnant]

[lavish frost]

also the sash bascs that run liquidation don't kill which is nice

[polar canyon]

Didn't know sash bascs ran liquidation

I mean I didn't know sash bascs were used

[neat dust]

99% is choice

[sudden remnant]

they do to avoid wave crash recoil

[polar canyon]

Yeah figured

[lavish frost]

I've seen sash more in the last few days on cart at 2200-2400

[neat dust]

yea cuz adaptability is really good

[polar canyon]

That's why people use scarf adaptability

[sudden remnant]

also 120 base hp is quite high for a sash mon

[neat dust]

Mystic water swift swim is rookie tech

[polar canyon]

I guess side effect of no other items

[lavish frost]

It's just so you know gambit sucker doesnt immediately delete you

[polar canyon]

Usually they just start spamming aqua jet when I send a gambit in

[sudden remnant]

does anyone have a kingambit spread i can calc solar blade against

[polar canyon]

My guess is 3hko best case scenario

[neat dust]

That shit would do a quarter I’m guessing

[polar canyon]

Like 3hko no bulk

[sudden remnant]

does anyone have a spread

[polar canyon]

Max max

[neat dust]

Most gambits run bulk cuz gambit is slower than dinosaur

sucker punch merchants

[sudden remnant]

that doesnt help 🫠

[sudden remnant]

max hp max attack?

[polar canyon]

I put the extra 2 on speed just in case I can low kick other gambits

[neat dust]

Yea

[neat dust]

So I should go 3 speed on my kingambit 👀

[polar canyon]

Not saying you shouldn't

[neat dust]

I’m joking

[lavish frost]

Some ppl have decided to use sash with a lot of spe on their gambits so you know you don't immediately die to sneasler cc while outspeeding the low spe investment gambits so you win the 1v1 in the gambit mirror

[polar canyon]

That's cool I didn't know that

Maybe 2 speed gambit isn't that genius after all

[sudden remnant]

okay at +2 ill do about half and it cant do much to me either

[polar canyon]

Still an edge over like max max 2 spdef

[lavish frost]

this is assuming both of the gambits have low kick

the sash gambit has a faster low kick and sucker

[polar canyon]

I just try to bluff it lol

I don't love running low kick when I'm only running it for the mirror and like nothing else

I guess incin but that's not coming in on gambit that super often

[sudden remnant]

chat should i run leech seed over synthesis

[polar canyon]

On what

[neat dust]

What’s the delphox usage anyone know

[sudden remnant]

leafeon

[polar canyon]

No

[sudden remnant]

mega delphox is my main team if that means anything

[neat dust]

If your leafeon is stall run leech

[sudden remnant]

its not

leech seed is just chippies

[neat dust]

Synthesis to get quick go back

Leech is only good if you can stick around

Like I’d throw it on mega Chesnaught

[polar canyon]

Stall leafeon sounds pretty hard to use in zard y floette froslass gengar pelipper meta ngl

[polar canyon]

Or mega scovillain

[sudden remnant]

stall in doubles in general is hard to pull off

[polar canyon]

I only enjoyed doing it with fire spin scovillain and encore disable sableye but it was less of having my pokemon eat hits and heal and more about don't let the opponent play the game and be a bastard

[lavish frost]

I think it can be saved by giving it enough coverage lol. Maybe not enough to be a meta pick but a legit choice on sun teams

95 spe chlorophyll is rly fast

[neat dust]

I wanna use scovillain but the stats just piss me off

[sudden remnant]

its best coverage moves are xscissor knock off body slam double edge and last resort

so coverage is uhhh quite limited

[polar canyon]

Scovillain is out there proving everyone wrong atm (until tornadus comes back)

[sudden remnant]

scovillain and anyone who uses it could disappear and absolutely no one would miss them

[polar canyon]

My mom would

[neat dust]

Landorus + kyogre sounds like hell

[sudden remnant]

thats the same as “my grandma called me handsome so i must be”

[neat dust]

Tornadus*

[polar canyon]

Fire spin scovillain was some of the most fun I had

[sudden remnant]

you have a special spot in hell

[polar canyon]

You'll find that usually when an opponent is leech seeded burnt and encored into a status move they tend to want to switch out

[neat dust]

That pokemon should not be good as it is

[polar canyon]

So there's a little trick I use to prevent that

[neat dust]

If you ignore it your fucked if you attack it you will do pillow dmg for the rest of the match

[sudden remnant]

assuming you dont miss fire spin

[neat dust]

rage powder threat just fucks you anyway

[polar canyon]

You're right why is 85 accuracy actually 40 accuracy I missed 3 in a row

[sudden remnant]

cuz it traps

[polar canyon]

It's not even a good move in like any other context

[sudden remnant]

it traps and thats what matters

[polar canyon]

Other than idk perish song altaria or something

[sudden remnant]

politoed

[polar canyon]

That's whirlpool

[sudden remnant]

you could run a fire spin mon next to politoed

[polar canyon]

Then it's not politoed that's trapping it

[sudden remnant]

my point was politoed knows the song of perish

[neat dust]

Politoed is so fraudulent

[polar canyon]

Anyways try fire spin scov next to disable encore I swear it's hilarious when it works and mildly disappointing when it doesn't

[sudden remnant]

no thanks i enjoy having friends

[polar canyon]

Like when the opponent actually has 2 moves that threaten you so you don't insta checkmate by removing one

[sudden remnant]

ill draw the line at swagger destiny bond

[neat dust]

I’ll start using swagger when salamence joins us

[sudden remnant]

im still waiting for mawile to be legal

[polar canyon]

Wasn't confusion nerfed

[neat dust]

Yes

[polar canyon]

Or was it just other status

[sudden remnant]

its not for the enemy

[wet light]

We need a non-legendary drizzle user with a good design 😔

[neat dust]

All of them except burn were nerfed

[sudden remnant]

i like politoed 🙁

[polar canyon]

Shit then I can be more mad that I had hurricane confuse into 2 consecutive confusion hits

More than once mind you

Wasn't just in one game

[neat dust]

It’s not the chance of it happening

[wet light]

And hate scovillain so

[sudden remnant]

i despise scovillain

remove it from the game

[neat dust]

you can get out of it easier and activation more rare

[polar canyon]

It's easier to hate a pokemon less when you try using it and get a feel that it's not as easy to keep them alive as it seems

[sudden remnant]

i dont want to use it

[neat dust]

It’s like using alolan ninetales

[sudden remnant]

im good. nerf that fucking ability. why is it 100% guaranteed to burn ANYTHING?

[polar canyon]

Like trying to keep scovillain alive is like trying to keep a plush alive

[polar canyon]

Because it has trash stats so it needs something to make up for it also just use special attackers

Archa peli shuts it down if you don't play poorly

[sudden remnant]

special attackers dont tend to like being chipped down by burn for long

[neat dust]

+leech seed

[polar canyon]

They take it way better than physical attackers and you'll have to remove it either way

[sudden remnant]

burn leech seed just cooks you

[neat dust]

• giga drain

[polar canyon]

Overheat or fire spin

[sudden remnant]

and fucking fire spin too i guess

[polar canyon]

I haven't seen anyone else run fire spin I think you're safe

[neat dust]

Fire spin scovillain would blow me

[sudden remnant]

freaky pepper?

[polar canyon]

I haven't lost to any other scovs and my win rate with it myself isn't outstanding either so from my experience it's not as crazy as yall make it sound

[neat dust]

+leech seed + giga drain

[polar canyon]

I guess it did hit rank 1

[neat dust]

That’s 3/8 health every turn dude

[polar canyon]

But like any mega could hit rank 1 if played right

Or played by wolfe ig

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-wolfe-glick-wolfe-glick-vgc-gif-17254009357993497791

[neat dust]

Wolfe took raichu to world

[sudden remnant]

and won

[polar canyon]

Raichu has good use cases I don't think it's crazy

[polar canyon]

Fake out nuzzle lightning rod all cool utility

[sudden remnant]

raichu is so goated

[neat dust]

Rayquaza too

[polar canyon]

Ok is this still about niche picks

[sudden remnant]

no

[neat dust]

Rayquaza is niche in doubles

chill

[polar canyon]

Oh non mega

[sudden remnant]

it wasnt in mega formats

[neat dust]

both

[polar canyon]

Idk how used it was before

[sudden remnant]

mega rayray was a big dog back in the day

[neat dust]

Non mega Rayquaza is a choice

[polar canyon]

I started on vgc in gen 8 lol

Was mega ray crazy in doubles like they say it was in singles

[neat dust]

Gen 8-9

No he’s just a pick

[sudden remnant]

idk about “crazy” but he was good

[neat dust]

It’s weird

[sudden remnant]

i started at the start of gen 9

[polar canyon]

I started with gen 8 bss which was a choice

[neat dust]

Singles merchant

[sudden remnant]

would have started in gen 8 but…. circumstances

[polar canyon]

Hit master ball for the first time in early gen 8 bss using pyukumuku and it became my favorite pokemon

Also butterfree

[neat dust]

I wouldn’t have started there cuz of xerneas people

that geomancy shit would blow me

[polar canyon]

Fear the mighty pyukumuku butterfree bss team

[sudden remnant]

i could have used base spectrier

[neat dust]

Butter free bro

[neat dust]

Base glastrier >

[sudden remnant]

i like the horses i dont like the carrot muncher that goes with them

i need a slur exclusively for calyrex

[polar canyon]

Don't diss my guy he carried me with compound eyes sleep powder hurricane and quiver dance

[neat dust]

an actual broken restricted

[sudden remnant]

thats not a slur

[neat dust]

It gets calyrex movepool and that wack ass spread move

and expanding force

leech seed

[sudden remnant]

we’re supposed to be naming slurs

not singing its praises

[neat dust]

Ghost Jackass

ice jackass

grass jackass

[polar canyon]

Caly ice would lose to mega scov fr

[neat dust]

Caly survives overheat trust

[polar canyon]

Doesn't like getting that burn leech seed tho

[neat dust]

yea

dk how that pokemon survives without clear amulet

[polar canyon]

Gonna want to be careful clicking a broken spread move

[neat dust]

Swagger indeedee

Before you can burn

[polar canyon]

Watch it hit itself

[neat dust]

That would happen to me

[neat dust]

Like how everytime I get rock slided I flinch

[neat dust]

wtf is that comment 🫩

Click more bro

[sudden remnant]

“whos getting hard over an olive tree”

[neat dust]

😹

[polar canyon]

You'd be surprised

[sudden remnant]

no i wouldnt actually

[polar canyon]

I don't actually know but always assume more than what makes sense

[tropic minnow]

Until what time does maintenance last

[sudden remnant]

🤷‍♂️

[neat dust]

wtf is there maintanence for

Whole lotta nothing

[tropic minnow]

Lowkey

[sudden remnant]

maybe some hotfixes

[neat dust]

Less than 200 pokemon in the game

[tropic minnow]

They are nerfing greninja

[sudden remnant]

me when i lie

[neat dust]

and there’s not additions for a month

[tropic minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/greninja-pokemon-nerf-pokemon-greninja-greninja-pokemon-gif-6570017865584291029

[neat dust]

Less than 200 Pokemon bro

[sudden remnant]

they’re probably hot fixing some nerfs

[neat dust]

Wild

[polar canyon]

We know no new pokemon for new season but maybe new items? Is this the season maintenance or something else

[sudden remnant]

should be

[polar canyon]

Covert cloak please please please

[neat dust]

Loaded dice 🤤

Choice band pelipper

Choice specs sneasler

[polar canyon]

Band basc can be real

Band swift swim son or scarf adaptability daughter

Or mold breaker non binary

[neat dust]

Specs genderless sondaughter

Mold breaker basc would stop helioptile

[sudden remnant]

did you just say…. choice band pelipper?

[neat dust]

Now that I’m thinking about it

[polar canyon]

Why exactly

[sudden remnant]

dry skin

[polar canyon]

I was thinking abt solar power

[sudden remnant]

dry skin gives a water immunity

[neat dust]

Dry skin walls bask

[polar canyon]

Yeah I was wondering how mold breaker helps against solar power lol

[neat dust]

And it heals 25%

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-i-am-just-a-fish-dont-cry-gif-25697823

[polar canyon]

Ye ik

[neat dust]

Nobody hates basc cuz fish usually gets a kill then dies

Same with sneasal

[polar canyon]

Nah sneasler also fakes out and occasionally causes sleep

[neat dust]

true

[polar canyon]

But a chance low enough to piss off anyone who loses to it

[mighty stump]

That’s not how that works what

[neat dust]

poison point sneaslers always blow me

[sudden remnant]

im starting to think you’re the freak and not the pokemon

[polar canyon]

I feel like the logic of basc on sun is that sun isn't always up and it also has last respects

Hi tofu

[mighty stump]

The logic was “Why would I run Rotom Wash because I have sun”

[polar canyon]

Volt switch is cool

[neat dust]

I like sableye what did you think

[sudden remnant]

why would i use hydro pump was actually what i said. try reading next time.

[polar canyon]

Twinning

You tryna argue with the goat

[sudden remnant]

yes

[mighty stump]

Yeah yk there really isn’t a point

[neat dust]

[mighty stump]

These days I just people watch and let people be wrong. Ignorance is bliss as they say

[sudden remnant]

its inaccurate its damage is reduced far beyond being useful cuz of sun

but without it my fwg core would be in spirit only

[polar canyon]

I mean if you halve the damage and then double it again it's still base damage

And I've won games with scarf locked rotom into pump in sun because chip matters

[sudden remnant]

how many did you miss

[polar canyon]

When not targeting peli or incin I use rotom for chip

[mighty stump]

Concepts like chip might be too advanced

kekw

[polar canyon]

Brutal

[sudden remnant]

if i wanted to chip couldnt i just use tbolt which wont miss 10% of the time

[neat dust]

I always hold that 80% accuracy over my head

[sudden remnant]

cuz why are we doing chip with inaccurate moves

[polar canyon]

My point is scarf is a common item

[sudden remnant]

if your goal is to chip surely you actually want to LAND THE MOVE RIGHT?

[polar canyon]

I try not to lock myself into tbolt if I see something like say garchomp on their team

[mighty stump]

And then it comes back to “Why would I hydro pump in Sun” which is a water move when the core decision to choose was “should i put Rotom Wash on my FWG” and when you got the answer regarding Electric moves

[neat dust]

🤔

[mighty stump]

How did you end up circling to your own point that you wanted to try and be cheeky about for lol

[polar canyon]

I think there's some nuance when it's a context dependent thing

[sudden remnant]

basculegion has adaptability which boosts stab by 50% which counteracts the sun reducing water moves by 50%

[mighty stump]

Nuance? In a Pokemon chat?

[sudden remnant]

correct?

[neat dust]

I like Rotom you like Rotom we all like rotom

[polar canyon]

I don't think you got that math right

[mighty stump]

It’s a 33.3% jump from 1.5x to 2x lol

[polar canyon]

Think of it like sun halves it while adaptability boosts it by like 1.5x

[mighty stump]

Then you cut that whole thing by half

Bro

[polar canyon]

Wrong numbers same concept

[sudden remnant]

regardless, basculegion doesn’t particularly care about the sun

[mighty stump]

(Neither does Rotom)

[sudden remnant]

which is what i need from
my water type move on my water type pokemon

[neat dust]

Rotom heat moment

[sudden remnant]

with its “chip” 80% accurate water move

[mighty stump]

sigh

Anyways now that that matter has been pointlessly settled

Who’s ready for another month of AeroZard slop

[polar canyon]

Yay oh boy

[neat dust]

why is aerodactyl at the top

[polar canyon]

Maybe we'll have more items this time

[neat dust]

I don’t understand

[sudden remnant]

im ready to make aerozard users lives miserable

[mighty stump]

Fastest TW, takes out Sneasler/Zard, rng Rock chip

[polar canyon]

Because zard and sash sneasler are on top

[mighty stump]

Some run Wide Guard

[neat dust]

I could make whimsicott more useful

[polar canyon]

It doesn't outspeed and ko sash sneasler turn 1 does it

• charizard

[neat dust]

I’m just gonna play with my tyranitar mega garchomp team

[polar canyon]

Fair enough

[mighty stump]

The offensive pressure is always useful cause of consistent “chip” even if the damage isn’t super impressive

[neat dust]

Scale shot or breaking swipe guys

[polar canyon]

Depends

What's the team

[neat dust]

bully stall garchomp

Bulky

[polar canyon]

I guess you don't want a defense drop and appreciate attack drops

[neat dust]

true 🤔

[polar canyon]

But I'd just run dragon claw or no dragon stab if you're using it for the damage

[neat dust]

I keep forgetting about spread multiplier

[neat dust]

Imma just run dragon claw I don’t wanna be left wondering about the if and the why my shit spread moves don’t sweep

[polar canyon]

If you want spread chip to finish off a low pokemon you got rock slide

Or eq if it fits your team

[neat dust]

Rotom heat

Might have to remove sneasler

[polar canyon]

I mean you got protect

[neat dust]

true

fake out pressure is enough

[polar canyon]

I don't know how mega chomp plays or what the popular consensus is for base

[neat dust]

People go mixed but it’s a waste

[polar canyon]

I just either go eq dragon claw or stomping tantrum no dragon move with rock slide for spread

[polar canyon]

Ur joking

[neat dust]

It’s like putting eruption on base groudon

[neat dust]

Yea because high special

[polar canyon]

I can almost see it if it kos incin and stomping tantrum -1 doesn't

[polar canyon]

Not the case

[neat dust]

Yeah I’ve been saying this Just cause the stats aren’t distributed in the best way doesn’t mean it doesn’t have better stats than

99% of pokemon

[polar canyon]

Roughly same damage from 32 attack 0 spatk on incin

[neat dust]

In the format

[polar canyon]

Found something

[neat dust]

?

[polar canyon]

It ohkos archaludon in sand with uninvested earth power while 32 attack stomping tantrum barely doesn't

32 hp

[neat dust]

Forgot arch has bad special bulk

[neat dust]

insane

[polar canyon]

Adamant is a likely roll too

0- SpA Sand Force Mega Garchomp Earth Power vs. 32 HP / 2 SpD Archaludon in Sand: 192-228 (97.4 - 115.7%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

There's your use case I guess

32+ Atk Sand Force Mega Garchomp Stomping Tantrum vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Archaludon in Sand: 182-216 (92.3 - 109.6%) -- 56.25% chance to OHKO

[neat dust]

broooooo

[polar canyon]

Needs full investment adamant just for a 50 50 while earth power is free

I wonder if it has any other utility or if it's just a kill archaludon button

[neat dust]

😭 😭 😭

so do I just become a tyranitar merchant or what

This is embarrassing

[polar canyon]

Wym

[neat dust]

The stats are so ass

I might have to start using follow me swords dance

🤔

[polar canyon]

On what

I wouldn't call 170 base attack ass

[neat dust]

Just the distribution

[polar canyon]

Maybe the rest of the stats are up to interpretation

[indigo coral]

It's 700 bst, the distribution is literally better than almost every other legal pokemon still

[polar canyon]

And while I didn't play comp in any games with megas I totally get why base chomp over mega but mega chomp doesn't look that bad

Just not better enough to justify losing an item and some speed

In most cases at least but I guess sand makes a bit of sense

[neat dust]

I have mega stones on both tar and chomp cuz I may never need it

don’t wanna mega and fall over to an ice punch or beam

[polar canyon]

Or you may want the speed to outspeed a non bulky zard

And rock slide if it's not the popular one set that lives chomp rock slide

[indigo coral]

Garchomp just doesn't need a mega to be good because it's so overtuned. People equate "Oh I don't mega every battle therefore the mega is bad" but it's still a 700 bst monster.

[neat dust]

Char x can live a slide but y hell no

[polar canyon]

I think the use case for mega chomp rn is partly the lack of item options

[neat dust]

bright powder sometimes

[polar canyon]

Like if you're running lum berry chomp or something and it never gets actually use it I guess you might as well

[indigo coral]

Bright Powder is only a meme, no real sets run BP Chomp

[neat dust]

make everyone’s moves <70% accurate

[polar canyon]

Give it a mega stone just in case it comes in handy someday

I'm not saying do it because I'm not speaking from experience

But since there's barely any worthwhile items you might as well give it a mega stone now that I think about it

Even if you have megas in your team because you never know when that could get you a win

Same case as the lack of items being an extra incentive to run itemless talonflame

On top of brave bird losing your gale wings and dual wingbeat being 90 accuracy

[neat dust]

Forgot about Acrobatics

[indigo coral]

Itemless Talonflame won a regional in ScVi, it was a mystery gift distribution with battle champion ribbon

[neat dust]

talonflame and Zard y make me want to use accelerock 😂 😂

[polar canyon]

No one is stopping you

[indigo coral]

That's not even a lack of items set for Talonflame, it's just a good Talonflame set in general

[polar canyon]

I don't love stuff like lycanroc ttar but like you can try

[neat dust]

I just don’t wanna get used to using glass cannons

[polar canyon]

Why not

[neat dust]

make 1 wrong play and the game is over

[polar canyon]

They can be cool

My first irl thing win was with mega starmie that guy is like a glass cannon and nothing else

Unless you're using it for the skill swap gimmick

Still proud that I won any tournament at all even if it was tiny

[neat dust]

That shit is funny 😂

[polar canyon]

It was my first one and I won

And a guy there was an international top cut once apparently

[neat dust]

Skill swap starmie goat

[polar canyon]

It was just liquidation flip turn ice spinner protect

The actual real star of the team was sableye tho

Hard carry

[neat dust]

I’m a sableye merchant

[polar canyon]

Encore disable quash

I decide how I play the game and I also decide how you play the game

[neat dust]

I also decide how much damage you do to my feraligatr

Reflect light screen

[polar canyon]

Also rain dance to hard check zard

[neat dust]

Quash to stop everyone in trick room and tailwind

Your however fast I want you to be 😂

[tropic minnow]

Game back?

[jaunty cargo]

Sooooo when is

Maintenance over I’m to lazy to do the math it’s confusing

[neat dust]

why maintanence even 🫩🫩🫩

[stuck perch]

https://x.com/pme_5/status/2054391836526203206?s=46&t=KB4CVv355gDMDGNjhuVNuA

Preston Every (@Pme_5)

@Pokemon_Champs START: 5/13 @ 3:00 UTC END: WHO KNOWS!

X · May 13, 2026, 2:42 AM

Lmaoo

[polar canyon]

It's because they're taking a long time putting all the covert cloaks in

Unfortunately once maintenance is over and we definitely have covert cloak back sneasler will fall to -200% usage

[shadow wind]

Unfortunately??

Thank god

[tropic minnow]

No way we get items bro

[shadow wind]

We won’t

We will never get items in a patch mid season

Because then it changes the entire regulation

[tropic minnow]

Nobody misses assault vest arch

[tropic minnow]

mhm

[foggy lodge]

a dnite oneshotted my Charizard Y #wtf

[zinc edge]

Yo

I thought the ladder was supposed to reset ?

[sudden remnant]

i mean its the same format so

would make sense if it didnt

[molten oasis]

Bruh

[zinc edge]

So then what's the point of a "new season"

What's changed ?

[sudden remnant]

[cyan smelt]

Hooray more sneasler

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-i-am-just-a-fish-dont-cry-gif-25697823

[tropic minnow]

Sneasler not even the bad guy

basculegion with 150 stab adaptability move might be

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/floette-legends-z-a-eternal-flower-light-of-ruin-az-gif-4845285092810107123

[tropic minnow]

[sudden remnant]

dont forget about this thing

[tropic minnow]

“Just this once”

[sudden remnant]

real

[tropic minnow]

Fleur cannons*

[sudden remnant]

you mean light of ruin

[tropic minnow]

Lol yes

[sudden remnant]

fleur cannon is magearna

its okay i have light of ruin at home

hyperbeam sylveon

[tropic minnow]

Today I discovered that a perish trap player no longer loses if all remaining mons in the match faint to perish song

Am I right or did I get hacked

[sudden remnant]

erm

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/ee7290bbaf9e12d4 trying once again to make an actual team, any thoughts?

[sudden remnant]

is your team called slay queen?

i see a tsareena milotic mega lopunny surely you named it that

[timber falcon]

lmao i might as well

[tropic minnow]

That’s cool

Me personally I’d run protect on the lopunny

[timber falcon]

over?

maybe i drop ice punch

[tropic minnow]

Probably ice punch

[sudden remnant]

nah its fine as it is

[timber falcon]

i think im running tripple axel on tsareena

[sudden remnant]

encore is a pretty good alternative

[mystic spade]

isn't it whoever dies last wins

[tropic minnow]

Oh maybe

But how is that determined

[mystic spade]

speed stat

faster mons die first

[tropic minnow]

🥀

Thanks will be taking that in mind

[molten oasis]

I like sylveon

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2608510921

[polar canyon]

Been speed based for a bit

You just need your pokemon to faint last

And that means you need to have the slowest pokemon

Perish song faints don't care about who triggered it so it defaults to that for wins I think

[zinc edge]

New season is up

[timber falcon]

somehow dominated with delphox under rain

maus put in the work tho

[molten oasis]

Delphox is goated

[old jay]

Did they add any new pokemon orrr?

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-know-gif-17552966235424643644

the answer is no 😔

[old jay]

What the hell man 😭

[sudden remnant]

says you and literally all of the rest of us

they didnt add any new mons so im making a stupid team

and dammit im gonna make leafeon work

and nothing is stopping me

https://tenor.com/view/leafeon-pokemon-eevee-happy-gif-27462633

yay new episode of this anime

[old jay]

LETS GOOO love her sm

[sudden remnant]

wanna see what im cooking

[timber falcon]

So apparently play testing is very important when building a team

[molten oasis]

Cart seasons are the same as they’ve always been guys

We don’t get a new format for usually 3 cycles of new seasons

[molten oasis]

It is

[timber falcon]

I only do like 10 battles and usually if it doesn’t click I drop the team

Shouldn’t be doing that I realise

[molten oasis]

Well I mean, if the team just doesn’t feel good it’s fine to drop it, but if you think something can work and it’s shown potential then yeah I think play testing it is good

[split stone]

Why are people dumb. They use metal sound then use a physical attacks after making the metal sound they just used useless

[timber falcon]

Could always be a new player or a simple mistake. No need to call people dumb

[timber falcon]

Ik but I’ve been dropping ideas like Kommo-o only to find that it’s pretty viable

[real prairie]

Team that finished 1st in the M-A ladder

Fairy feather whims is interesting

[real prairie]

If you go 0-10 think it's fair to drop it at that point. But if it's 5-5 it could just be learning to pilot the new build

[cyan smelt]

I definitely think i want to use tr, but it's just who i want on the tr team that's the challenge

[supple latch]

Yeah, Trick Room options are very lacklustre rn

In Champions, not S/V

[cyan smelt]

Hatterene but no indeedee, torkoal and farig but no ursaluna

[supple latch]

Yeah

@cyan smelt, anything interesting coming up over the next few weeks?

My fellow Aussie

[cyan smelt]

Not pokemon related haha wbu

[supple latch]

Melbourne regionals next week. I thought someone like you world participate, but I’m guessing Champions is all that’s on your mind rn

First ever tournament I’m entering btw

[cyan smelt]

I would have gone to melbourne but i had already booked concert tickets on those days

[supple latch]

Oo ok, what artist?

[cyan smelt]

Aleksiah, then on the 22nd sebii, billionhappy and kimj

[supple latch]

Nice

Here’s my team sheet if you’re curious on what My team is https://pokepast.es/1b7b1019a62655cd

[cyan smelt]

Oh it's reg i and not champions?

[supple latch]

Yes, it’s Reg I, Melbourne regionals is actually the last tournament that will use Scarlet and Violet before Indianapolis, which uses Champions

[cyan smelt]

I would probably have used zama + chien pao + bolt

[supple latch]

Ah ok, standard team comp, but who would your other restricted be?

Actually wait, what am I saying? Most common partner with Zamazenta is CSR (Shadow Rider)

[cyan smelt]

Yeah zama csr is what i felt most comfortable with

[pearl wind]

ooh the next online challenge thingy in champs will be single battles

[shadow wind]

Only way it can kill chomp

Also allows it to run more bulk

[next stump]

https://x.com/mihono_suica/status/2054478796812943367?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

すいか (@mihono_suica)

シーズンM-1
記念すべきチャンピオンズシーズン1最終1位でした！！！本当に嬉しい！！！
構築は後で公開するかも！

X · May 13, 2026, 8:28 AM

of course it’s suica

[shadow wind]

Repost 😔

Oh actually I guess not cause this time it’s twitter

[next stump]

https://x.com/pokeks14zwzw/status/2054464220335624607?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

やちみん。 (@Pokeks14zwzw)

シーズンM-1“逆”チャンピオン級最終1位(マスボ最終最下位こと503620位)最終R600でフィニッシュ😭😭

なんと上位帯とR2200差…

なぜマスボ最下位であるかわかったかというと、

レ　ー　ト　に　下　限　が　あ　る　為

1ROMかつ降参ボタンに頼らずこの順位...

X · May 13, 2026, 7:30 AM

last place lol

[shadow wind]

Why’d they blur the team

I wanna use it

[zinc edge]

I found a new bug yay

It completely fucks my team over

[cerulean nacelle]

All the way back to pokeball 4. Dayum.

The grind restarts

[cerulean nacelle]

Also do tell

[zinc edge]

One sec @cerulean nacelle

[cerulean nacelle]

Gotta love fighting bots in the lower ranks.

Also I just met the dumbest player lol.

They used shell smash polteageist + instruct oranguru for a second shell smash into my tr team lol

Literally the easiest win of my entire life.

[zinc edge]

Ok so I'm not exactly sure what happened but I led meowstic Alakazam right with meowstic using psychic terrain and Alakazam using expanding force @cerulean nacelle

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah?

[zinc edge]

The enemy led with orthworm and some other mon I can't remember the other mon took the expanding force but under terrain it's supposed to be a buffed up spread move but it didn't hit the orthworm at all and I was like that's weird and then the orthworm just gets off shed tail completely for free taking no damage and after that for the rest of the match my expanding force was stuck as single target ? @cerulean nacelle

Even though terrain was up the whole time

[cerulean nacelle]

That... is weird. Shouldn't work like that.

[zinc edge]

Exactly 💯

Pissed me off and cost me the match

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah that's unfortunate

I'm already at great ball 3 lol

Just from 4 matches.

Had a very unlucky sun match then a bot then an idiot who did shell smash polteageist into trick room then I won against rain.

aurorus is goated

[zinc edge]

I'm great ball 1

[cerulean nacelle]

Noiceee

[chrome knot]

you should have probably clipped that lmao

[zinc edge]

I wish I did but idk how on switch 😕

[chrome knot]

id love to see the user error show itself ngl

[zinc edge]

I know how to take screenshots 😂

... Rude

[chrome knot]

its the same button but u hold it

[zinc edge]

Well if it happens again I'll be sure to do that but I really hope it was a very specific glitch that never occurs again

Wanna see if we can recreate it in a private battle ?

@cerulean nacelle

[cerulean nacelle]

Uh sure. Do I have to specifically use orthworm?

Oh actually, let's try using my standard trickroom team and see what happens. Then we can see if it was a random 1 of or if it's happening to every team.

[solid frigate]

who the fuck pinged me in rental teams

[zinc edge]

Ok let me finish this battle @cerulean nacelle

I'm ready @cerulean nacelle

I will say I've done about 10 or so battles this morning and it only happened against orthworm

[cerulean nacelle]

Hmmm OK lemme build a very shit orthworm team

[zinc edge]

Ok just make sure it knows shed tail

[cerulean nacelle]

It's an orthworm, it's never not gonna know shed tail as far as I'm concerned lmao

Aight @zinc edge gimme a code

[zinc edge]

Code is 0628-0186

[cerulean nacelle]

Let's get it

[zinc edge]

Lol just don't 1 shot zam so we can see what happens 😂

[cerulean nacelle]

If it's mega zam it'll be faster

But I can try not to lol

[zinc edge]

It is

[cerulean nacelle]

Seems to work fine

[zinc edge]

Ok so it worked that time

I now I'm even more confused 🤔

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah that's weird

[zinc edge]

I know we both protected turn 1 but I doubt that had anything to do with it ?

[cerulean nacelle]

Not a clue honestly...

[zinc edge]

Well if it ends up happening again I know how to clip it now

[cerulean nacelle]

Fair do's

[zinc edge]

So I guess back to the grind

[cerulean nacelle]

Ig so

I legit made this team as a bit of of excuse to actually use zard x

[zinc edge]

Idk why I clicked t wave 😂

[cerulean nacelle]

When I was running zam + meowstic I didn't run t wave or taunt

I ran gravity

[zinc edge]

What should I run instead of twave ?

I don't have taunt

[cerulean nacelle]

Does your alakazam know focus blast?

[zinc edge]

No I thought about gravity focus blast but I needed gleam more and a single target move when I expect wide guard

[cerulean nacelle]

I think expanding force, gleam, focus blast, protect is a fine combo.

But gravity focus blast guarantees a lot of kills such as archaludon.

[zinc edge]

But arch is giving me problems

[cerulean nacelle]

Lmao I'm psychic

Anyways ggs, cool team

Sorry that we couldn't figure out the bug

[zinc edge]

Lol I also didn't expect blitz to kill but I forgot about zard x ability

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah my zard X is mostly HP and speed but I'm adamant with 2 points in attack. After a d dance, you're pretty solidly set up.

• tough claws like you said.

Zard x may be my next choice of thing to do but in enjoying mega camerupt + mega garde trick room team.

[zinc edge]

I was loving torkoal oranguru instruct trick room 😂

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah I saw torkoal oranguru which seems funni but I don't have a shiny oranguru and I use shiny only teams (just preference) and torkoal is always used, I wanted to try a different fire type.

[zinc edge]

I personally just hate camerupt lol 😂

I've been wanting to do some zard x shenanigans myself maybe next to sableye for weather control @cerulean nacelle

[leaden fox]

Well, at least glad we get VP for end of seasons 😅

Just need to sort out my Pokémon HOME sub before I can actually do any proper matches xP

[cerulean nacelle]

Honestly sableye could be rlly good support. Fake out to let zard X set up d dance and then sunny day for even stronger moves is pretty nice.

And dual screens to let you live hits easier is also good.

[zinc edge]

Yessir

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah it ain't the worst. I played very little singles and got 1000VP for getting to great ball in singles.

And what... 10,000 for master rank 3?

[cerulean nacelle]

Honestly give it a gander.

Sableye I thought was really slept on anyway and then everyone and their mama is using it on rain now.

[zinc edge]

Fr dude always next to arch

Shits annoying 😂

[cerulean nacelle]

I had a match where it was next to basculegion

And basically I've had to EV my farigiraf to have only a 6.3% chance not to get OHKOed by an adamant basculegion in the rain

But I did win that match. Aurorus changed the weather and made it hard for them to recover. Sinistcha was a good secondary TR setter and then a combination of aurorus + mega gardevoir at the end meant they had no chance to win.

Especially since I lucked out and got an archaludon freeze too.

[leaden fox]

Considering what we get from dailies, BP and rank ups; not so bad if you don't go crazy with it 😅
Though guarantee down the line, they'll increase the rewards eventually

Luckily changing any mon fully is about 2500VP in total, so it ain't all THAT bad 😅

[cerulean nacelle]

I dont think I've been lacking in VP. And I still have 45 training tickets lol.

[leaden fox]

I have about 33 training tickets leftover; so yeah, know the feeling xD

But I only used it on mons that were 2000+ VP to build, which wasn't many xP

[cerulean nacelle]

Though also I haven't bought every mega stone. But that's because I'm not using every mega.

I did buy every held item except all mega stones because those could come in useful.

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeahhhh haha the game is a lot cheaper if you don't start from scratch.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I think you should only buy the Mega Stones of mons you are gonna use; it's more likely for us to buy the other held items more (when they add more)

Still wonder which new and old megas they'll add during M-B though 🤔

Though I'd say Mawile, Hoenn Starters, Salamence, Metagross, Scolipede, Dragalge, Falinks, Raichus and Staraptor mostly 😅

Maybe Baxcalibur, Golisopod and Tatsugiri as well

[cerulean nacelle]

I think mega scrafty too

Honestly the talk of using sableye with zard X is now making me wanna test it out haha.

Still gotta have an alternate playstyle for rain. But it could be fun.

[leaden fox]

I do like Mega Scrafty, but so many Fairy types out there atm to not make it great 😅

[cerulean nacelle]

It probably won't see massive play but with more mons, more variety.

And more meta shifts.

For example if mega metagross is added, it'll be an insanely scary secondary or primary mega.

If mega golisopod ends up being good it could be a trick room menace/ rain offense mon.

That would deter fairy use.

And we still don't know abilities yet.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, once we know the new Megas' abilities, it may surprise us

[cyan smelt]

Mega metagross will shoot straight to the top

[cerulean nacelle]

Mega floette is the strongest?

who decided that?

Tough claws BP right to the face

[cyan smelt]

Also it'll smack sneasler around

[cerulean nacelle]

True, with the extremely consistent psychic fangs now instead of zen headbutt.

But with one monster rising to the top, another monster will rise alongside.

Incin will come back reinvigorated.

[cyan smelt]

Oh yeahhh i forgot it has psychic fangs now

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeahhh no more mid headbutt

rip mega gallade, they should've given you sharpness

[cyan smelt]

Tbh i prefer incin to sneasler because if you don't have an answer to sneasler you just lose

[cerulean nacelle]

Incin is a lot more of a nuisance but sneasler does just have more offensive pressure.

[cyan smelt]

It kinda sucks when the only real answer to sneasler is basculegion

[cerulean nacelle]

Me when aegislash

Me when will o wisp sableye

Me when farigiraf ironically enough.

Can't even say they're all fake. Aegislash is more niche but does get usage specifically for how well it does against sneasler and mega floette

And the other 2 are now either common staples or rising in popularity.

I think people saying "the only answer to sneasler is basc" is incorrect.

[cyan smelt]

I can say i used farig before it was cool

[polar canyon]

What if you give sableye sunny day

[cyan smelt]

I kinda want to use sableye now, it's a good pokemon

[polar canyon]

25 Atk Corviknight Dual Wingbeat (2 hits) vs. 2 HP / 0 Def Sneasler: 156-184 (99.3 - 117.1%) -- 96.48% chance to OHKO

What if I actually just run this

What am I missing by not using brave bird instead

[cyan smelt]

Surely brave bird + roost

[polar canyon]

But sash sneasler ohko

[keen quiver]

sigh
rotom wash bulk pissses me off

[cyan smelt]

Who's running sash instead of white herb

[keen quiver]

i mean both of them activate unburden lol

[polar canyon]

Kinda wanna use umbreon just for inner focus taunt on farigiraf

Kang fake out + farig annoys me

[keen quiver]

you should always have 2 inner focus mons to begin with ngl

[cerulean nacelle]

That's part of the plan but still its risky to lead a zard X into a basculegion even in sun

Basically the 2 mons ik I wanna use are d dance zard X and sunny day sableye

Idk about anyone else.

[keen quiver]

Stalwart is actually Good correct?

[cerulean nacelle]

Depends.

[keen quiver]

Thinking of making 2 teams
One involving mega skarmory
and one involving Mega lucario
In double battles lol

[cerulean nacelle]

In doubles it's pretty good. In singles it's literally useless.

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah, mega skarmory can be fun with SD and stalwart ignoring redirection.

Mega lucario I feel like is underwhelming. A lot of stuff threatens it.