#competitive_discussion

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mighty stump
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32 Atk Black Belt Sneasler Close Combat vs. 32 HP / 15 Def Chople Berry Kingambit: 192-228 (92.7 - 110.1%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

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ill take it

rustic mountain
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yep thats good

mighty stump
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The crazy part is

cerulean nacelle
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50/50s are pretty good odds.

mighty stump
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I have finally figured out something for my own play

lavish frost
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Is this to throw off chople gambits

spiral ridge
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Gj tofu

rustic mountain
mighty stump
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If everyones runnign Chople to live Sneasler

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Why not

mighty stump
rustic mountain
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nice

mighty stump
rustic mountain
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took me a bit to get acclimated to the format

mighty stump
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I mean I ran what I like to still call @foggy lodge rain to 2300s and then fell while testing new wave Balance

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so im hovering 2200s or so now

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I just wanted to start something I’d be happy with

rustic mountain
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yea thats where im at, was gna aim for champions but idt ill make it at this point w/ the time i have, gna hopefully try for top 1000 atleast

mighty stump
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I have solved all the kinks but I think I’m in a satisfied spot where my brain no longer tortures me

rustic mountain
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hell yea

viscid garnet
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My team now that I have Tsareena

rustic mountain
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awesome, always a good feeling wen that something clicks

spiral ridge
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I run black glasses gambit and now been too lazy to change it
I let that motherfucker die

rustic mountain
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hahahah

mighty stump
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Lmfao

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I ran mono-dark (Sucker) and Iron Head/Low Kick for a bit

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It was ok but I ran into too many situations I wanted to click Kowtow

rustic mountain
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right

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yea iron head feels bad to drop but i usually prefer the double dark fighting and protect in most cases

mighty stump
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My current take is as good as Floette is Sylveon is the top fairy type

rustic mountain
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sylveon just more splashable

spiral ridge
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I did iron head
My WiFi been broke for three weeks so haven’t been in to edit shit I rly need to

mighty stump
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Floette is more polarising to your team while Sylveon is glue

rustic mountain
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but agreed

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fire/fairy feels so nice to bring consistently

mighty stump
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What r u trading for Mystical Fire

rustic mountain
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mega floette generally paired w/ mega zard y makes that tough

mighty stump
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Yur

rustic mountain
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i meant fire fairy w/ zard and sylveon

mighty stump
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ohhh

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Aero Sylv Zard Y Chomp

rustic mountain
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great 4 yea

mighty stump
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Basc Gambit

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Lmao

rustic mountain
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hahah yep basic ass team

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but really the only one ive played w/ ive felt solid playing

mighty stump
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So far I have seen more Bascs play more bulk

rustic mountain
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everything else was like good for a sec then crumbled

mighty stump
gentle cragBOT
mighty stump
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what

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oh

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nya

rustic mountain
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i played actually a few other teams in that rinya sun format that i felt better w/, idk so far in ma i was bouncing between mid megas then i got to play zard and was like damn this is an actual mega

winter fox
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Pokemon Champions in three years

rustic mountain
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tf is that bottom team

foggy lodge
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Nah that team was cool asf

rustic mountain
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i dont remember that ever being a thing

winter fox
rustic mountain
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im aware

neat dust
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Terapagos 🥹

winter fox
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Terapaflop

viscid garnet
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Sableye is genuinely so infuriating

neat dust
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ok bro chill

viscid garnet
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Its like the one pokemon i cannot stand

dense latch
neat dust
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What did sableye do to you

dense latch
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i think i remember who used it

winter fox
viscid garnet
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Never even set up rain

dense latch
rustic mountain
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thats why im confused hahaha

neat dust
dense latch
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i guess some ppl tried the team out afterwards

rustic mountain
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thats wat i mean like this random ass team i had no idea existed made the finals/won all 3 of those?

dense latch
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maybe it’s from someone’s twitter

rustic mountain
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i feel like ive been transported to another reality

dense latch
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i think what they mean by final is the final version of the team

rustic mountain
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ohhhhh

foggy lodge
neat dust
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And then there’s the issue of trying to disable or encore a dark type 😂 😂

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I just remove it

dense latch
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i was confused for a moment there too

neat dust
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I do it so many times

rustic mountain
neat dust
foggy lodge
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It was this one

rustic mountain
# mighty stump The Cybertron Effect

the funny part is he always says to change the moveset or item in bo1 of a commonly used mon/strat/team and use it to ur advantage yet ppl still just load up the replica/rental

dense latch
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i’ve always been and always will be a sableye hater

foggy lodge
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Drifblim is here for an amazing reason

neat dust
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Volcarona no quiver dance 🫩

rustic mountain
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fuck sableye

foggy lodge
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People forget that Volca has the same spa as Flutter Mane

neat dust
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3 different Sableye for all of my teams I hope I run into yall

dense latch
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jumpluff is another mon i have an irrational hate for

foggy lodge
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🙁

dense latch
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fuck sleep powder in general

rustic mountain
dense latch
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it’s like a mosquito

neat dust
neat dust
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I’m a sneasler merchant

rustic mountain
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was gna say depends on ur team, whims is an actual good mon

dense latch
# foggy lodge 🙁

sorry maxi nothing against the mon i just don’t think it’s nice of it to smile as it just sleeps and encores my team to death

rustic mountain
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sableyes like, oh u didnt guess this random move im running? sorry
but then u still win anyway

foggy lodge
rustic mountain
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lmao

viscid garnet
dense latch
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i hope no one brings it though would be very nice

rustic mountain
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i mean maybe 1 guy

foggy lodge
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That groudon cir pluff team is really cool

viscid garnet
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I thought it’d have rain dance so it basically cooked my pikachu when i saw arch

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Next time im using Meganium and blasting the shit out of it with dazzling gleam

rustic mountain
dense latch
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mdb said he tried banded scale shot dnite at his local and said it was better than outrage so i might test it out

i’ll trust the guy that took the team to too 8

foggy lodge
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in reg I i played with that team and ended up in a 1v1 against sneasler and fought i lost cuz usually pluff doesn't run attacking moves but then realized that pluff has pollen puff LMAO

viscid garnet
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And i have tsareena to cook disable

rustic mountain
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groudon cir? mariokekhandslike

neat dust
forest arrow
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Toxapex being a goat

dense latch
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groudon cir pluff is what justin tang brought to worlds

rustic mountain
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did he even do well

dense latch
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and to the most recent regional

forest arrow
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I think he got top 16 recent regional

rustic mountain
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not bad for groudon

foggy lodge
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Yeah and Junxi too with the same team

rustic mountain
dense latch
rustic mountain
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is it cuz it walls koraidon?

forest arrow
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Yeah

foggy lodge
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Yeah its really cool with pagos

dense latch
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t32 i think

forest arrow
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basically

foggy lodge
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Walls koraidon zama kyogre

neat dust
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Normal Groudon is a choice

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😭

foggy lodge
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Has wide guard and can outstall leech seed CIR

dense latch
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i hope no one learns how to run that team in the two weeks left for lima

rustic mountain
foggy lodge
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And like you just poison things while having +1 def +1 spdef pagos next to it and you just win from stalling

rustic mountain
dense latch
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the less scarf mirai i have to face the better

neat dust
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Unless this is after sws but then Groudon instead of koraidon is still a choice

rustic mountain
foggy lodge
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With the seed

dense latch
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koraidon isn’t really a strict groudon upgrade

forest arrow
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Electric seed

dense latch
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it’s generally better yea but that doesnt mean it fully overshadows it

rustic mountain
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so u live 1 and then wat

foggy lodge
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And you have sash sinistcha to redirect too

rustic mountain
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i dont understand how u stall effectively

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oh ok sinischa

forest arrow
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Yeah sini

neat dust
foggy lodge
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Clam or AV are like its best sets

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Its thing is being bulkier and being a ground type

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It gives it a niche over Koraidon

forest arrow
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I played korai

neat dust
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I try to run Tera ground because normal Groudons spatk doesn’t justify running eruption

left bobcat
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YUH HUH

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CHOICE SPECS TERA FIRE HELPING HAND ERUPTION

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🌋

neat dust
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Fire punch 👀

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Heat crash

dense latch
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tera fire heat crash groudon is what typically does the best

neat dust
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cmon bro

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you must not wanna do maximum damage

dense latch
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pblades hhp heat crash and protect if you’re clam random coverage if av

foggy lodge
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why tera ground if tera fire solves for offensively and defensively at the same time

neat dust
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Choice spec is just kyogre downgrade

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Throwing salt on the wound

left bobcat
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Specs earth power lessssss gooooooo

neat dust
foggy lodge
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you reminded of that one fucking bo1 groudon team with choice specs eruption next to jumpluff😭

neat dust
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Choice specs eruption is definitely a choice

left bobcat
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That’s probably me

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From a long time ago

left bobcat
dense latch
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the team matches up really well into fedecampo lunala mirai so im hoping i match into that a lot

neat dust
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Just run torkoal at that point

shadow wind
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Why was there Groudon conversation and no one told me

left bobcat
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Cuz ummm

dense latch
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groudon groudon grudon

left bobcat
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Cuz it’s specs Groudon

neat dust
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Choice torkoal 🫩

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Would be a better option

left bobcat
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LORB torkoal 🥀

dense latch
shadow wind
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🫩

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Tired of this

left bobcat
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That’s why ERUPTIONNNNNNN

neat dust
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Kyogre victim

shadow wind
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I’ll run helping hand Groudon next to scarf eruption Entei but that’s as close as I’ll get

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Honestly it legit did well in Reg G

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Cause they can’t fake out either

neat dust
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I’d run choice band xerneas draining kiss before ever specing groudon

dense latch
shadow wind
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Truly

neat dust
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Choice band liquidation kyogre is better

shadow wind
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This is not true

neat dust
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Does liquidation miss

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Or something

shadow wind
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Does eruption miss??

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Like what is that comparison

neat dust
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oh thought we were talking about precipice blades

left bobcat
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CHOICE BAND WAVEEEEE CRASH 💥

neat dust
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on who

shadow wind
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Kyogre

neat dust
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this guy needs to be stopped

stuck perch
left bobcat
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Nvm it does not learn wave crash

neat dust
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What yall think of choice spec mega beedrill

left bobcat
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Sucker punch

neat dust
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I wouldn’t put a physical move on beedrill

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That’s illegal!

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It’s gotta have max difficulty

left bobcat
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No I’m saying a sucker punch can obliterate it

neat dust
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oh yea

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Fake out kanghaskan

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First triple axel

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Choice band torkoal

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ember

left bobcat
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Quick attack

stuck perch
neat dust
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Haven’t seen ceruledge or armarouge in master ball once

left bobcat
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I have only once tho

mighty stump
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Whats with everyone hopping on Mega Lop

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I have been whelmed by it

lavish frost
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I didnt realize I was so high on sd ladder until I looked it up

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I thought my gxe would be way worse than this

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I was using this acct to test awful ideas that didn't work out lmao

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so I lost a lot with those lmao

rustic mountain
winter fox
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Alright I'm going to bed

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Satan introduced itself with Psychic Politoed against my Sneasler.

sudden remnant
sudden remnant
gentle cragBOT
shadow wind
sudden remnant
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i used lopunny i quite liked it

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had fake out cc ice punch protect

lavish frost
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it's not the highest rating ever but I've used mlop to get to 2300 on cart

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Fastest fake out user, has some good MUs like sableye/arch/gambit and you can even fake out basc and stuff

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can punish your opp playing defensively with encore while having fake out to sometimes force defensive plays

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is faster than base aero and mgar which is nice at times

shadow wind
lavish frost
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I said to someone before that if you aren't like close to mb2 or like top 3000, you're low elo

rustic mountain
lavish frost
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I saw someone on twt having 1100 elo

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I didnt even know you can get that low

rustic mountain
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one guy hit the supposed floor was like 863 or something

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they did it on purpose from my understanding

lavish frost
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I think you only calibrate at 1800+ if you have a good w/l ratio

rustic mountain
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o

lavish frost
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I think most ppl got calibrated to 1600-1700

rustic mountain
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thats where it put me i just assumed

lavish frost
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same

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I got told by many ppl they started around those ratings

rustic mountain
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gotcha yea i guess i just assumed wrong

lavish frost
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Someone also said having a high winstreak also helped calibrate you to higher ratings?

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Not sure on that cuz that was basically a he/she said moment lol

rustic mountain
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i could see that, used to be the case in other games ladders ranking into other tiers and such and even within mball u had a winstreak usually it jumped u further

shadow wind
lavish frost
shadow wind
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You posted a showdown screenshot though 😭😭😭

rustic mountain
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wat u responded to they said cart tho

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mfer too sd pilled

shadow wind
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Uh

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True !

hasty night
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It put me at 1900 when I got mb

sudden remnant
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and then lost 3 games in a row

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and then got right back to 1800

sudden remnant
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my friend wont play deadlock with me he hates me chat

lavish frost
sudden remnant
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it doesnt help my team is quite unusual

lavish frost
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The team I've been running on cart has been kinda weird too

sudden remnant
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and then i changed it and made it somehow more weird

lavish frost
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I was running this except Farig over Vivillon

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I just started testing Vivillon yesterday cuz y not

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I noticed I haven't been bringing Farig in my latest games

sudden remnant
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im running mega delphox tsareena umbreon araquanid gallade and sneasler

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i have a solo mega and then 2 type cores fwg and dark fighting and psychic

lavish frost
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Umbreon doesn't seem like it has a lot of particularly good MUs in the format

sudden remnant
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umbreon is my cat he stays

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hes a good kitty

lavish frost
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I know it becomes viable when there's some bs like Caly that umbreon walls

sudden remnant
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umbreon solos a lot of the megas running around rn

lavish frost
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is it froslass and gengar

sudden remnant
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and even ones it cant fight itself it can support the mons on my team that can

sudden remnant
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and more

lavish frost
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I have not seen a single chandelure on cart ngl

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same with golurk

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I think I saw one when I was laddering to mb

sudden remnant
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i did and they absolutely got nuked by my moon kitty

scarlet edge
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All we get for watching VGC is a Blastoise... I guess that's the price of moving to Champions. No partner ribbon for the first event distrib. Hopefully they come back for future Champions events

cyan smelt
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They want us to do mega blastoise cheese

sudden remnant
shadow wind
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Where’s raging bolt when you need him

cyan smelt
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Isn't blastoise faster and can ko with dragon pulse

shadow wind
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Uhhhh

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Av + Eweb + my goat tanks that

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  • tclap gg
cyan smelt
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No tclap with the giraffe

shadow wind
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I also brought my Weezing 🔥

sudden remnant
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does anyone know what evs floette are running rn

cyan smelt
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Probably some physical bulk? Special bulk is already high

sudden remnant
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im asking cuz i wanna calc how much my ft will do to it

shadow wind
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Depends on if it’s a cm set or not

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I always just calc against max hp and like 16 defense

cyan smelt
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The light of ruin sets are scary

shadow wind
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And then my hopes are crushed cause nothing kills

sudden remnant
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🫠

shadow wind
sudden remnant
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so yall got nothing for me

shadow wind
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Nope

sudden remnant
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sadge

shadow wind
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Just go on Munchstats or something

cyan smelt
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Calm mind draining kiss, it's just like having calydow back

sudden remnant
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munchstats has champions now?

shadow wind
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It has like every showdown format

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And that includes champions bo1 and bo3

cyan smelt
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Have u hopped on bo3 ladder yet conner

shadow wind
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Not really

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I don’t see a point in it for me

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I went 3-0 then realized that I’ll never actually need to do bo3 games in champions

sudden remnant
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14 hp 20 spa and 32 speed

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and modest

shadow wind
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No shot they’re running max speed 😭

sudden remnant
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thats what it says

shadow wind
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I mean I’m not arguing with the numbers

sudden remnant
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another set is 32 hp 32 spa and 2 speed

shadow wind
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I just know I’m not running into max speed sets

sudden remnant
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also modest

shadow wind
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That’s how I’d run floette

sudden remnant
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scary

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i dont even have a mega floette so i cant run it even if i wanted to lmao

shadow wind
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Me neither

sudden remnant
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i havent done the za infinite royal

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nor do i plan to

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i havent even completed the swsh pla plza or sv pokedex yet no way in fuck am i doing the infinite royal what is it 100 times??

shadow wind
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Not a clue I don’t own PLZA

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I have completed every dex since sun and moon

cyan smelt
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It's a p2w pokemon, you can get it if you buy the dlc

sudden remnant
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i really should complete the swsh pokedex i want a shiny keldeo

sudden remnant
cyan smelt
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I want the shiny volcanion

sudden remnant
cyan smelt
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I wish genesect wasn't locked

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Genesect is so cool

sudden remnant
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wasnt shiny genesect available during sm

cyan smelt
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I wasn't playing back then but it must have been available during oras/xy

sudden remnant
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isnt there also a pokeball magearna still claimable in sm to this day

cyan smelt
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Not pokeball

sudden remnant
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im watching this new romance anime and so much has happened in 3 episodes im lost

cyan smelt
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Oh speaking of that i have 3 mons that i need to claim the pokeball magearna

sudden remnant
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i understand why the gave magearna a mega but did it really need it 😭

cyan smelt
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Does it matter if it'll never be legal

tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
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170!?????????

cyan smelt
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Everyone gonna be using it in the joke mythical format

sudden remnant
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125 attack is kinda sad though

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maybe someone will run a troll physical set

cyan smelt
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Shift gear

sudden remnant
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like rapid spin terapagos was a thing for a bit

cyan smelt
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Terapagos so painfully mid

sudden remnant
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if only tera starstorm stayed normal

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but gained the effect of being super effective to terastallized mons

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that would have been so much better

cyan smelt
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Terapagos without tera is gonna be so sad

sudden remnant
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pagos was sad even with tera

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but tera will come back eventually with the omniring right?

cyan smelt
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Surely, they showed donbozo with tera in the trailer

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All i ask is that calyrex and tera never be legal at the same time again

sudden remnant
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they gave me umbreon ill be fine

cyan smelt
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How does umbreon do against tera fairy calm mind draining kiss

sudden remnant
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eat that shit for breakfast

dry nexus
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altaria is crazy for not even taking 50% from +6 defense body press from corviknight

sudden remnant
cyan smelt
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Cotton guard altaria?

dry nexus
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nah

sudden remnant
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was it mega altaria?

dry nexus
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regular

shadow wind
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I mean both resist it

tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
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75/90

dry nexus
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27hp/20+def/19sp.def

sudden remnant
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why the fuck-

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nevermind i dont wanna know

dry nexus
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it enabled me to win with perish on enemy stall

sudden remnant
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i honestly dont know which is worse

dry nexus
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+6 defense body press is still very strong even if resisted

cyan smelt
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Is mega altaria just temu mega gard

sudden remnant
dry nexus
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idk if I should just go all in on defense on altaria

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he'll most likely will melt to mega froslass anyway

cyan smelt
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Once they introduce dubwool i bet they remove body press from its movepool

sudden remnant
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“we have mega gardevoir at home!”
mega gardevoir at home:
mega altaria

cyan smelt
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Nothing seems to have cotton guard and body press

sudden remnant
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i dont see why they would its not game breaking like archaludon with it was

cyan smelt
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Hooray i can use coaching cotton guard body press dubwool again

sudden remnant
cyan smelt
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Or strength sap will o wisp gorsola

dry nexus
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evil and menacing dead coral

sudden remnant
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can i have mienshao please

sudden remnant
cyan smelt
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Dunno how that one's gonna do in a gambit meta

dry nexus
sudden remnant
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true

cyan smelt
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Zacian status washed

sudden remnant
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especially if we get eviolite back by then

dry nexus
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surely corsola can live with max defense vs kingambit

sudden remnant
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eviolite g-corsola gonna go so crazy

cyan smelt
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Tankier than mega aggron

dry nexus
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will-o-wisp go crazy

sudden remnant
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and somehow better typing

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hot take but pure ghost > pure steel

cyan smelt
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Sneasler shudders in the face of gorsola

dry nexus
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even aegislash makes that stupid cat seem like a fraud

sudden remnant
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sneasler isnt a cat

cyan smelt
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Aegislash is goated

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Aegislash is really good against aero too

sudden remnant
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aegislash is good into a lot of meta mons rn

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including but not limited to mega floette

shadow wind
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Pretty unfortunate that most Floette teams have Zard y too

cyan smelt
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And aero teams have both zard y and chompy

sudden remnant
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i think they did that intentionally for mons floette just doesnt wanna see

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unfortunately they forgot my mega delphox in those mega pairings 😝

cyan smelt
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Psychic go brrr

sudden remnant
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psychic from max spa modest mega delphox is a guaranteed ohko on mega zard y

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and floette doesnt particularly wanna take that hit either

cyan smelt
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U can hit the heat wave too

sudden remnant
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i mean yeah i could

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but ft or psychic is more damage

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and cant miss

cyan smelt
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Teams i hate to see are ones with mega delphox and tsareena

sudden remnant
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is that specifically targeted at me

cyan smelt
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Nope

sudden remnant
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i am conveniently running them both

cyan smelt
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But they have crazy good synergy and stops the sucker punch and fake out

sudden remnant
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and zero type overlap

cyan smelt
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Not that you want to fake it out because it might run encore

sudden remnant
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i will tell you mine isnt

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i have heat wave psychic grass knot and protect

cyan smelt
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Can never be too sure with cts

sudden remnant
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grass knot is for sand teams that think theyre safe

shadow wind
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32+ SpA Delphox-Mega Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Charizard-Mega-Y: 97-115 (63.3 - 75.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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Fun fact

sudden remnant
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so why have they always died

shadow wind
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They haven’t 🔥🔥🔥

sudden remnant
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but they have

shadow wind
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Are you really gonna argue with the calc?

sudden remnant
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ive won games that way

shadow wind
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32+ SpA Delphox-Mega Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Charizard-Mega-Y on a critical hit: 145-172 (94.7 - 112.4%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

sudden remnant
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am i gonna trust my wins over a calc? yes.

shadow wind
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😭😭😭😭

shadow wind
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No clue man

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If you can find any evidence of winning by that then I’ll believe it

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But until then I’m going with the calc

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Zard Y has good spdef it isn’t gonna die to a neutral hit

sudden remnant
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👨‍🦯

shadow wind
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Any helping hand or cm buffs you might be forgetting?

sudden remnant
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no one on my team has either of those

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i have coaching on sneasler but that doesnt effect anything here

shadow wind
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Any fake tears?

sudden remnant
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also no

shadow wind
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Then the game bugs for you only every single time ! I’m so glad we can agree on that

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What a good finish to the story

sudden remnant
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idk something weird happened

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cuz ive always killed them with psychic

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the math is not mathing

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but i’ve literally won games that way 😭

cyan smelt
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What's one mega that is never used but is legal

lavish frost
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audino is there

cyan smelt
#

Definitely the weakest mega

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I wonder if anyone is using quaquaval

lavish frost
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I think a good player can make it work lol

next stump
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Never seen someone so dense since I quit playing league

supple latch
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hello everyone

supple latch
lavish frost
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@supple latch

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is this the same person

supple latch
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You got a problem?

supple latch
solid frigate
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the first one applies over every comp game

supple latch
dark sorrel
old jay
cerulean nacelle
old jay
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TRUEEE

cerulean nacelle
#

Man i feel like im really close to making mega camerupt TR work rlly well but I can't decide on good teammates

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Ik mega camerupt is gonna be paired with farigiraf or hatterene, maybe both, but i don't wanna put incin on the team because of kingambits + milotics.

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Theres also the issue of needing a mon thats actually good into rain

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I might see if toxicroak can work tbh

old jay
cerulean nacelle
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Its a really good mon atm

old jay
#

Singles or doubles?

cerulean nacelle
#

Ohhhhh, doubles

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I wouldn't be tryna run singles TR, thats just such a momentum sink.

old jay
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Yeah no I'm at master ball on doubles and I havent gone against a single milotic. Weird

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Good for her though I love Milo

cerulean nacelle
#

Also damn toxicroak is a lot faster than I remember

old jay
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Whats its speed?

cerulean nacelle
#

its not like... unusable. But just a lot higher than I remember

old jay
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Dayum

cerulean nacelle
#

Like incin is base 60

old jay
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I mean its supposed to be a ninja right? So makes sense

cerulean nacelle
old jay
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Which others. Cuz I can only think of greninja

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Sidenote its weird we got 2 ninja frogs

cerulean nacelle
#

Accelgor is considered ninja like (not in champions but im just naming ninja mons)

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In general a lot of those pokemon with that theme are a lot faster than base 85 lol

cyan smelt
#

Shedinja, bring it back pls

cerulean nacelle
old jay
old jay
cerulean nacelle
cyan smelt
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I wanna use shedinja

old jay
cerulean nacelle
#

Not to mention an insane attacking stat and basically the best type combo for bug you can get

cyan smelt
#

Hopefully mega golisopod is as good as scizor/mega scizor and escavalier

cerulean nacelle
#

Just give it tough claws, and its goated as hell

cyan smelt
#

Tough claws close combat hell yeah

cerulean nacelle
# cyan smelt Tough claws close combat hell yeah

Tough claws iron head, tough claws 100BP first impressions or X scissor if you don't wanna get stopped by a farigiraf, you can run it in rain to have stab on its liquidation again + tough claws

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I would argue he is mr potential mon if done right

cyan smelt
#

Just don't give it reskinned emergency exit

cerulean nacelle
cyan smelt
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Sure lol

cerulean nacelle
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Also idk why i said x scissor, if you're not running impression youre running leech life

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Also can someone pls put me outta my misery and help me build for mega camerupt im legit just strugglin

cyan smelt
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Well it struggles with rain teams right and it's slow af so it needs tr

cerulean nacelle
cyan smelt
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How bout ampharos, gives you a second mega option and is great against camerupt's weaknesses

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And is good in tr

cerulean nacelle
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Ampharos is... yeah ironically maybe ill try ampharos

cyan smelt
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I know how it sounds and it may backfire horribly but you could also lowkey try rising voltage shenanigans with alolan raichu and ampharos

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Gives you fake out pressure too

cerulean nacelle
#

Its also the idea that raichu would have to fake out and eat a hit to let ampharos set up electric terrain.

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I have got an idea involving gravity hatterene however

cyan smelt
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No, i mean with farig you can set up e terrain turn one with alolan raichu, volt switch out into ampharos and set up tr t2

cerulean nacelle
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Well i am

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I just don't think all that set up is worth

cyan smelt
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Farig prevents fake out on alolan raichu so it guarantees e terrain being set up, t2 you can volt switch into ampharos and set up tr or tr and bring in camerupt

cerulean nacelle
cyan smelt
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It can imprison protect

cerulean nacelle
#

Eh, i still think its too much effort

cyan smelt
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Probably

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Not very many good electric types

cerulean nacelle
#

Nope

lavish frost
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I love robbing people with a w

cerulean nacelle
#

Ok so gravity on hatterene is actually quite funny

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Gravity let mega camerupt hit both mega delphox and rotom wash with EP

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and it gave me 100% accurate heat waves

chrome knot
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thats bo1 for u ig

lavish frost
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u right bo1 in a nutshell

cerulean nacelle
#

Alright so as much as i love camerupt

lavish frost
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ok this was an honest game finally

cerulean nacelle
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Camerupt is not performing the way I'd like.

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He fun. But he also got too many weaknesses to common threats.

neat dust
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Dies to bubble gun from frogadier

polar canyon
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I like camerupt if you can play around the weaknesses

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It's true for most pokemon but especially with camerupt I feel like once you remove the checks its totally over

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If basc/rotom is down you win

neat dust
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Turn 1 if you don’t get trickroom up you just lose

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basc ends your career

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Nvm cuz if you run aqua jet the camerupt is finished anyway

cerulean nacelle
cerulean nacelle
sullen coral
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Any idea if there was going to be new megas for the format tonight?

foggy lodge
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No new megas

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This is just a season reset not a new regulation

leaden fox
#

The very most we'll get tomorrow is new items (if we do); but no more mons until mid-June (after NAIC)

lavish frost
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Others snow setters can't do this lol

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and my team prefers going tr as its speed control

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so I can spam blizzards after tr is set ideally

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you also switch in pretty nicely vs other setters

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I've seen my Aurorus tank even a ttar low kick

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32+ Atk Adaptability Basculegion Last Respects vs. 1 HP / 18 Def Aurorus in Snow: 166-196 (83.4 - 98.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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also neat calc vs 200 bp last respects

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scarf bascs run jolly mostly tho afaik which is where this matters a lot

cerulean nacelle
# lavish frost

Honestly the more you show me this the more I wanna fuck with aurorus

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But I'm still tryna work on mega camerupt.

cerulean nacelle
# timber falcon Why aurorus though?

Surprisingly bulky, works under trickroom, blizzards. Also an ice type with freeze-dry so it ain't walled by milotic.

This is what I've seen as far as I know from sn1v33.

lavish frost
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32+ SpA Charizard Heat Wave vs. 1 HP / 16 SpD Aurorus: 55-66 (27.6 - 33.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

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if you switch in on zardy to remove the sun

cerulean nacelle
#

I'm realising aurorus could be maybe a decent partner for camerupt for a slow TR mon to beat out rain.

lavish frost
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I'm using modest cuz iirc you still don't underspeed adamant no spe gambit anyway

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which is what you prob want if tr is set up

cerulean nacelle
#

I might do slower anyway because I've seen TR pellis before

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And being modest would mean you actually outspeed quiet peli

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Very VERY niche but eh. I'm probably not dual speeding on this team.

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Unless I end up picking kangaskhan as my secondary mega.

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Which I might ngl.

lavish frost
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Not sure why people want to run peli in their tr team but I feel it is more possible on tailroom teams that have a rain mode

cerulean nacelle
lavish frost
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I think those teams are tailroom afaik

cerulean nacelle
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Maybe. Even then... being slower actually does yield some benefits such as outslowing -speed nature incins with TR.

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Which means you can fire off an earth power or ancient power.

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Either way @lavish frost what's ur team?

leaden fox
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So, what teams are people planning to run for M-A Pt2? 😛

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I'm stuck between 3 teams 😅

sudden remnant
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they dont wanna change the format ill pretend like they did

cerulean nacelle
sudden remnant
leaden fox
sudden remnant
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does meowstic get screech in champs does anyone know

leaden fox
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I don't know 😅
I'd have to look it up

sudden remnant
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cuz if it does that makes my job significantly easier

leaden fox
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it does

sudden remnant
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maybe i dont even use its mega lmao

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sunny day screech protect psychic

cerulean nacelle
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For meowstic I'm thinking about doing fake out, psychic terrain, gravity and maybe protect or expanding force.

sudden remnant
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why not use quick claw quick draw g-slowbro and have it set up the psychic terrain for meowstic

cerulean nacelle
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Because I want to win and not be reliant on a 50% chance.

sudden remnant
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😝

cerulean nacelle
#

But my thought process is that gravity can not only help alakazam hit focus blasts

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But also give me milotic shenanigans

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With hypnosis.

sudden remnant
cerulean nacelle
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So it's not a waste.

stuck perch
#

Watching Kabuki and AfroSenju play Pokemon champions

tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
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okay so it will start at 115 speed if i make it 32 hp 32 atk and 2 spe it will be 117 doubled to 234 in sun with chlorophyll

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hm

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252+ Atk Sneasler Dire Claw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Leafeon: 120-144 (69.7 - 83.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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im a liver

cerulean nacelle
sudden remnant
#

ill check gengar sludge bomb in a sec

leaden fox
#

Almost forgot, need to resub my Pokémon HOME 😂

sudden remnant
#

chat whats the super effective poison berry called

cerulean nacelle
stuck perch
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Your welcome

sudden remnant
#

thqnks

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252+ SpA Gengar-Mega Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Kebia Berry Leafeon: 145-172 (84.3 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

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😀

leaden fox
#

Because whenever we want to play a fun team; we always get crit >_<

sudden remnant
#

true

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do mega gengar even run max spa

foggy lodge
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No

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Its like in between being max speed or bulky modest but almost no one runs max spa gengar

sudden remnant
#

so i can live anyways 😀

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+2 252+ Atk Leafeon Solar Blade vs. 12 HP / 0 Def Sneasler: 156-184 (99.3 - 117.1%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO

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😀

leaden fox
sudden remnant
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252+ Atk Sneasler Dire Claw vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Leafeon: 120-144 (69.7 - 83.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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thank you nintendo for 130 physical defense

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do i swap mega meowstic for mega banette

timber falcon
leaden fox
leaden fox
sudden remnant
#

um

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the swagger is for lum berry leafeon

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sunny day with mega bannete, detect leafeon, swagger leafeon, eat lum berry, excalibur

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also banette has frisk in its base form which is huge in CTS

leaden fox
#

Yeah, it's just an interesting tech since Mega Banette has 165 atk 😅

sudden remnant
#

what am i gonna do with furfrou

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i imagine it has the standard normal type movepool of everything under the sun?

timber falcon
sudden remnant
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alcremie is too slow

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coaching is only +1 and wont secure the kos i need it to

timber falcon
#

But like do you NEED all those moves on one mon?

sudden remnant
#

what

timber falcon
#

Sunny day, swagger

sudden remnant
#

it has prankster im gonna use it

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im thinking swagger sunny day shadow claw and deatiny bond

leaden fox
#

a nasty move set xD

sudden remnant
#

and frisk in its base form for some free info

sudden remnant
gentle cragBOT
leaden fox
sudden remnant
#

every move on it is for something

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😁

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and leafeon will have detect instead of protect cuz it gets detect, solar blade, x scissor and synthesis

leaden fox
#

I swear that Ceruledge doesn't run Protect at all 😅

cerulean nacelle
#

Ok so aurorus is kinda goated

sudden remnant
#

true

cerulean nacelle
#

I'm trying TR with mega camerupt and mega garde. But aurorus + mega garde seems to actually make a rlly good pair into rain.

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Incin is a necessary evil to give me the ability to set up TR on zard Y + venu

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And sinistcha can heal my bulky mons and maybe give em a bit more longevity with life dew. And it's a secondary TR setter.

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I have maybe found my groove.

sudden remnant
#

what we think so far

cerulean nacelle
#

My least favourite monke

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But funni

cerulean nacelle
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I see the plan though. Protect leafeon, set up sunny day with banette, then use swagger from banette onto leafeon so it's +2 and chlorophyll sun boosted.

sudden remnant
#

yep

cerulean nacelle
#

Also... is x scissor seriously the best coverage it gets? 😭

sudden remnant
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and im running shadowclaw over poltergeist just in case they dont have an item

cerulean nacelle
#

That's... not a good reason lol

sudden remnant
cerulean nacelle
#

Hmmmm... guess it's what do you play into. A swagger boosted x scissor probably kills farig

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But knock helps you deal with sinistchas.

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But yeah I'd seriously say run poltergeist

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Mega banette is most likely doing a support role but if it can output some damage, great. 70BP is pathetic. 110 but the risk of missing or the opp having lost an item just means either slightly unlucky or you keep track of what mons do and don't have an item.

sudden remnant
#

i was also told to just run trailblaze over x scissor

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for very funny solar blades

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leafeon:

sudden remnant
#

if i were to click howl and click protect on my other pokemon would they both still get the howl attack boost

cerulean nacelle
sudden remnant
#

im considering dropping simisear for kantotales

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for 2 ways to set sun and also ninetales gets howl which is very interesting for furfrou banette and leafeon

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im talking about levels of greed they spoke of in the bible bro

cerulean nacelle
sudden remnant
#

swagger lum berry combo for +2 leafeon

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howl kanto minetales for +3

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do i add a coaching sneasler for +4

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like i might as well right?

cerulean nacelle
sudden remnant
#

hm?

cerulean nacelle
#

I don't think coaching sneasler is all that lol

sudden remnant
#

i quite like it

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its what im
running on my current team

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fake out dire claw cc coaching

cerulean nacelle
#

I'm not saying it can't work. I just never found myself wanting to use it.

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It's use cases were very few and far between

sudden remnant
#

although leafeons base 130 defense doesnt necessarily need the defense boost

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but it wouldnt hurt either

sudden remnant
timber falcon
#

I think you could maybe benefit from a tr mode perhaps with torkoal over ninetails, but idk each mons funtions so take with a grain of salt

sudden remnant
#

id genuinely swap out furfrou for another normal type that gets icy wind

timber falcon
#

Why does it have to be a normal type

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Also kangaskhan gets icy wind

timber falcon
#

Oo and that

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Then again

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Why specifically normal?

sudden remnant
#

the only mons i could disguise it as are banette and sylveon

sudden remnant
timber falcon
#

Fair enough

sudden remnant
#

and give it the super effective dark berry maybe?

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colbur berry

timber falcon
#

But with disguise why would they do that anyways

#

They wouldn’t know the typing

cerulean nacelle
#

I think mixed sylveon is semi cope.

timber falcon
#

Sylveon is mixed?

sudden remnant
#

quick attack

timber falcon
#

Oh yeah why not protect

sudden remnant
#

and then hypervoice and hyper beam

timber falcon
#

It has double edge

sudden remnant
cerulean nacelle
sudden remnant
#

oh misclicied lmao

#

its supposed to be detect

cerulean nacelle
#

Thank God 😭

sudden remnant
#

i swear its supposed to be hyperbeam hypervoice quick attack detect

sudden remnant
#

and if its banette its still weak to dark

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cuz like if a leafeon uses hypervoice for big damage surelyyou know instantly thats not a leafeon

#

ig i could disguise it as ninetales too

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sash is taken scarf is taken

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what else do i give it?

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spell tag?

#

thats not a bad idea actually

timber falcon
#

Or you could give ninetails smth else and opt for sash

sudden remnant
#

i think ninetales needs it more

sudden remnant
#

aight heres what im gonna be testing out

leaden fox
sudden remnant
#

like how scared would you be of a +2 attack +1 speed leafeon in sun

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possibly +4 if i greed a bit and risk the confusion

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and +3 or +5 if i get a ninetales howl off

leaden fox
#

Been building so many up xD

sudden remnant
#

and i have basc and sylveon on cleanup duty if leafeon misses any kos

leaden fox
timber falcon
leaden fox
#

May get rid of Sucker Punch for now 😅

neat dust
#

This game lucky I can’t use loaded dice

sudden remnant
#

this game is lucky i cant use mega mawile

neat dust
#

if I could use mawile or Salamence next season 👀

sudden remnant
#

season 2 is the same as season 1

leaden fox
#

I suspect they'll bring in another 12 - 14 Megas in M-B

sudden remnant
#

we arent getting anything new until maybe season 3

neat dust
#

so I have to sit through all these fairy and fire types

sudden remnant
#

yes

neat dust
#

for another season

leaden fox
#

M-B starts 13th June I believe: right after NAIC

sudden remnant
#

yes

neat dust
#

I might have to join them since I can’t beat them

sudden remnant
#

i can beat them so i dont have to join them

leaden fox
#

I may have some Fairy types on my newest team, but no fire types xP

neat dust
#

My team has to have weather on it or I just can’t play

sudden remnant
#

yo @neat dust rate my new team

neat dust
#

let’s see it

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Destiny bond 🥹

leaden fox
sudden remnant
#

i have 4 mons that could protect i wanted banette to be different

neat dust
#

Fire but what is the goal with the zoroark

sudden remnant
timber falcon
sudden remnant
#

cuz swagger destiny bond mega banette isnt enough spirit damage

neat dust
#

what I would say tho is don’t ever have ninetales at the end if you have zoroark before it

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No heat and your already screwed on turn 1

sudden remnant
#

im most likely gonna disguise zoroark as sylveon

neat dust
#

anything but ninetales

#

I’ve played games where I just ignored a zoroark

sudden remnant
#

its not scarf you CANT ignore it

neat dust
#

And it bit me in the ass

sudden remnant
#

its the elephant in the room and must be addressed

neat dust
#

I’m dumb but anyone else would notice a blastoise that spams shadow ball you using it for support is good

winter fox
#

We ARE NOT bringing back Hisuian Samurott into VGC or singles. We had enough of him and Great Tusk in Gen 9.

sudden remnant
winter fox
# winter fox We ARE NOT bringing back Hisuian Samurott into VGC or singles. We had enough of ...

Samurott doesn't get enough respect. Sucker Punch beats Basculegion, Ceaseless Edge beats Focus Sash users, and Sacred Sword handles Kingambit & Archaludon. It's the ultimate anti-meta pick! We paired it with Mega Aerodactyl to cover Charizard & Sneasler. Check it out down below

neat dust
sudden remnant
#

maybe theyll think its cute charm sylveon 😝

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the team is already weird enough where that would be believable surely?

neat dust
#

I have to pick between basc and sneasler what are we thinking guys

sudden remnant
#

fih

neat dust
#

ok

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I’ll show the team in a min

sudden remnant
#

someone told me swap shadow claw for poltergeist i decided not to cuz i cant afford to miss

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and besides banette is here to support anyways

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supportive mega cuz i can

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and who needs a mega anyways when i have such raw power in the rest of the team😝

viscid garnet
#

Brainstorming a new team cause i wanted to use sylveon and had an idea to use a “two-mode” team to be able to use M-Blastoise. This might be actual ass and idk what ev spreads I need for sylveon and venu

neat dust
#

Poltergeist isnt consistent

sudden remnant
#

exactly why i have shadow claw

neat dust
#

It’s like using Draco instead of dragon pulse

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nah actually not as bad because Draco -2

sudden remnant
#

i use dragon pulse cuz i like to minimize my chances to miss

neat dust
#

Yea I always miss drac

sudden remnant
#

ive landed more focus misses than heat waves

#

😐

sudden remnant
neat dust
#

Let’s goo

sudden remnant
#

youd probably win though cuz my playstyle is weird

neat dust
#

As long as it’s not stall you have a chance

sudden remnant
#

its not

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i click whatever button my instinct tells me to click

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and sometimes i end up clicking nothing

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and it just used whatever move is in the first slot

neat dust
#

I shit on stall teams

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and I make mistakes alot

#

Like whenever I see a farig or tsareena I go priority

#

can’t help it

sudden remnant
#

unfortunately i could not fit it on this team

leaden fox
#

At least you didn't have an opponent who kept trying to use Dual Wingbeat Gale Wings while you have Armor Tail up 😅

sudden remnant
#

lmao

neat dust
#

Hilarious

leaden fox
sudden remnant
#

i had an opponent try double fake out and i had tsareena mega delphox as my lead

#

they lead infernape incin

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and pretty much lost on the spot

neat dust
#

I ran into an incineroar with protect and it just lost me the game immediately

sudden remnant
#

oof

leaden fox
#

Yeah, you'll see Incin like that if in a Shadow Tag Mega Gengar team >_<

#

But sometimes escapes that team pool

sudden remnant
#

i wish i would see a mega gengar

#

i wanna test my spell tag shadow ball damage

neat dust
#

Mega gengar is a fraud

#

Everyone is running ghost types

#

No guard and unseen fist are in the game

#

Stall is bad

leaden fox
#

tbf, I know a lead that can deal with it anyways xP

sudden remnant
#

i usuall lead tsareena mega delphox into anything gengar

leaden fox
#

As long as you bring in double threatening leads into Mega Gengar, your opponent can only fake out one of them 😅

sudden remnant
#

delphox umbreon

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😝

#

i cant wait to see fairy feather pixilate hyper beam absolutely obliterate something

neat dust
#

3 win streak with this team ✌️

sudden remnant
#

peak

#

i saw that beat up justified gallade

neat dust
#

Didn’t even have to show gallade

sudden remnant
#

i was considering side fake out steadfast gallade

neat dust
#

What about Justified

leaden fox
#

Just glad my new team is working the way I want it 🙂
Just need to update my sub on Pokémon HOME and I can transfer my mons in 😅

#

Have all the mons on my team in Shiny form xD

sudden remnant
#

i considered weavile

neat dust
#

Goat

#

but glass cannon

sudden remnant
#

exactly

neat dust
#

one vacuum wave from riolu

stuck perch
#

I just made the most hilarious comeback win in Ultra ball rank

neat dust
#

Vanquishes it

neat dust
#

or atleast tell how it went

sudden remnant
#

basc and ninetales

leaden fox
#

Still good ones 🙂

#

I still haven't got a shiny "male" Bascu 😅

sudden remnant
neat dust
#

Rotom 🥺

sudden remnant
#

for a perfect iv calyrex for calyrex ice

neat dust
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Already know this is about to be heat

sudden remnant
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i should hunt for a shiny banette

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its shiny mega is so peak

leaden fox
stuck perch
leaden fox
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I luckily have my shiny Alolan Ninetales in a Beast Ball xP

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im using kanto tales

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its shiny is grey 😁

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Rotom heat + garchomp is what I do

leaden fox
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I used shiny Kantonian Ninetales during Gen8 competitive; was a great partner alongside my GMax Charizard 🤣

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😁

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4 wins

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Made a dude forfeit 🥹

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where should i hunt banette at chat

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Just trade for it

sudden remnant
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um from who

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ivs and stuff don’t matter in champions

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It was max speed Ninetales with Eject Pack + Overheat, then switched into a Lightning Rod Raichu 🤣

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From pokemon violet

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yeah but who tf has a shiny banette 🫩

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@neat dust Your EVs & Nature will transfer over; but all IVs are set to 31

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As long as the pokemon is in the regional dex you can get it from anywhere

leaden fox
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🥺

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Go to a website or something

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I'll check to see if I still have it; could be willing to trade ya one xP

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Yep, still got two of them xP

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Flip turn one shot this guys charizard y and he just quit

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lmao

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Though if you can only do it through HOME; I'll have to get that sub (in the morning xD)

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i have sv and za

leaden fox
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not rn i dont have my switch with me but i would very much appreciate one

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ill dm you cuz we cant trade here

leaden fox
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All good; it's no rush, though likely getting sleep soon as is xD

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Midnight this end nearly xP

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yikes

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imagine being 5 hours in the future

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what is that australian time?

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Well I am British, so yeah xD