competitive_discussion

[cyan smelt]

Scrappy close combats

Most sinistchas have resist berries on em and that annoys me

[polar canyon]

I'm always wary of using fighting types because I just see peli hurricane as baby torn

[cyan smelt]

I'll use rotom as well

[polar canyon]

Is that really enough of a reason considering fighting will be neutral just like a dark move with colbur berry

Close combat dropping your defenses so it slurps up more health from matcha gotcha

[cyan smelt]

I don't think any sinistcha wants to take a 124 attack close combat and sableye def doesn't and neither does arch

[polar canyon]

Sableye doesn't wanna be in front of a dark type anyways and arch isn't a ghost type

[cyan smelt]

Basc doesn't want to take a cc

[polar canyon]

Even less a throat chop

If I were to use pangoro it would be for iron fist and only if I was a big pangoro fan

[cyan smelt]

It can sit in front of farig and not have to worry bout the twin beam

[polar canyon]

I mean yeah

I don't think that's because of scrappy

At least intimidate immunity is a reason to have it

If you're using pangoro at all

[cyan smelt]

It was just an idea, i also thought of tr farig with hammer arm pangoro

[polar canyon]

I mean nothings stopping you from trying

Non 0 chance you find the next big obscure thing

[cyan smelt]

I just dunno about partners

[polar canyon]

Tr mega gardevoir is cool

[cyan smelt]

I prefer farig for non fake out

[polar canyon]

Why not both

They don't share weaknesses

[cyan smelt]

Too many gambit weaknesses

[polar canyon]

Isn't it a pangoro team

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but i'd also be worried about low kick

[polar canyon]

I guess

[cyan smelt]

Not the greatest def

[polar canyon]

It's not that easy for it to get it off on you

[cyan smelt]

All i know is farig pangoro so far, need something for sneasler

[polar canyon]

I didn't know pangoro was so mid why is it fully evolved and under 500

[cyan smelt]

Temu urshifu

[polar canyon]

Half the reason to use urshifu is the crits

You're closer to that just using scope lens super luck absol

Don't do that btw

[cyan smelt]

I don't want to use absol

[polar canyon]

Good

[cyan smelt]

I thought of glowking or glowbro as an alternate tr setter and anti sneasler

[polar canyon]

Oranguru is cool too

Inner focus is just nice on a tr setter if you don't wanna use farig

[cyan smelt]

I don't want to use farig and oranguru but it might be super funny to instruct a hammer arm or a rock slide from mega kang

[timber falcon]

You’ve thought of everything these days

What seems to be the issue with the team?

[polar canyon]

It's a pangoro team

[cyan smelt]

People just be stalling out tr

[timber falcon]

Wait so is it different from the Kang + farig?

[cyan smelt]

Yeah

[timber falcon]

Alr what you got so far

[cyan smelt]

Farig, pangoro

[timber falcon]

Wow that’s slow

[polar canyon]

Because it melts to floette gard sylveon pelipper

Sneasler

[cyan smelt]

Zard aero

[timber falcon]

You’ll need some amazing coverage

[polar canyon]

Wait that parts not different from kang

[cyan smelt]

I probably shouldn't do it, it seems bad

[timber falcon]

I think it’s not a good idea

Pangoro isn’t amazing at all, unless you wanna use it for fav reasons

[polar canyon]

If you want funny tr hammer arm use crabominable

If you want scrappy use kang or lopunny

[timber falcon]

My issue with lopunny is its normal STAB sucks compared to Kang

Which is unfortunate

[cyan smelt]

Lowkey when i set up tr i've been struggling with incin and with doing enough damage in tr

[polar canyon]

Does it not get double edge

[timber falcon]

Nope

[polar canyon]

Is this up to date

I don't think champions has splash

[timber falcon]

I checked on showdown but maybe now

Mega kick too inconsistent

[timber falcon]

Seems like you need bigger damage

Fairy feather sylveon is good tr chipper, puts a ton of pressure. You’ve also got options like torkoal, primarina ect

[cyan smelt]

I'm reluctant to replace skele with torkoal because of manual weather override and megas

[timber falcon]

Spread moves are the way I think

[timber falcon]

A bit niche but farig learns sunny day, I used it when times were tough

[cyan smelt]

Yeah i think my 6th needs to be a fairy, i was leaning towards meganium

I get worried about zard chomp aero stuff

[polar canyon]

Fairy feather sylveon is also a good non tr chipper

Really specially bulky so basically only sneasler can ohko it

[timber falcon]

Yeah I’ve had my eye on it recently

[cyan smelt]

What about floette, second mega option and hits like a truck

[timber falcon]

Fairy seems very good as an offensive measure in this meta

[polar canyon]

What's the first mega

[cyan smelt]

Kang

[polar canyon]

What happened to pangoro

[cyan smelt]

That was another idea i had

[timber falcon]

Pangoro can’t mega

Also building a team with Kang as the primary mega (especially tr) seems tough

[polar canyon]

I think floette would be the focus in that scenario

[timber falcon]

Maybe you wanna play it like a bulky offence with a form of sustainability, a popular core uses icy wind mitotic as support along with dew

[cyan smelt]

Maybe i do need more sustain and maybe i do need a bulky water type, was also looking at rotom

[timber falcon]

What set rotom tho

[cyan smelt]

Wisp tbolt hydro pump

[timber falcon]

Looks good

Helps with basc too

[polar canyon]

I like trick tbolt hydro volt switch

Scarf

[cyan smelt]

Until it hits you with the last respects 😭

[timber falcon]

Also seen this set a lot

[polar canyon]

Wait not tbolt

Webs

[timber falcon]

Oh I’ve yet to see webs rotom

[polar canyon]

Spread damage chip + speed control + safe peli 2hko

Since it's always sash anyways

[timber falcon]

Untill the odd scarf peli gets in the way

[polar canyon]

Breaking sash and finishing off weakened mons

[cyan smelt]

I just dunno what to use, got farig, sneasler, gambit, kang, skele rn

[polar canyon]

Doesn't make it less of a 2hko and volt switch is a ohko anyways

[timber falcon]

I think I wanna try Kang + kimmo-o

[cyan smelt]

I think i want to try tailroom

[polar canyon]

I've only seen kommo-o in gengar teams and I assume it's just because of soundproof perish tech

[timber falcon]

I used a Kang + Kommo team in the past but meta evolved so quick it felt kinda outdated, was made by a Japanese team builder

Yubi something?

Anyways, it was fun at the time so I’ll try my own

[timber falcon]

Kang has great speed tier for this

But what if hammer arm gets in the way?

Oops wrong reply meant for kalos

[cyan smelt]

What if i ran hammer arm on kang rather than low kick

[timber falcon]

Hammer arm only great for hard tr imo

[polar canyon]

Or is it

Does low kick mega ohko archaludon

And does hammer arm

[polar canyon]

It's for some reason surprisingly light

[timber falcon]

Not even hammer arm OHKOs the sets nowadays

[cyan smelt]

Arch is bulky

[timber falcon]

Kang vs arch is really annoying cause it gets 2x stamina boost

[polar canyon]

I think the whole deal with duraludon was that it's made of surprisingly light aluminum or something

[timber falcon]

To evolve it or smth

[polar canyon]

But I didn't think that would carry over to arch when it's a giant bridge stapler twice the size

It looks heavy enough for a 120 bp low kick

[timber falcon]

Low kick mainly for gambit anyways

And Ttar

[polar canyon]

I mean arch looks bigger and heavier than gambit

It's just a guy made of knives and swords

[polar canyon]

Double the weight

[timber falcon]

That’s unreasonable what

[polar canyon]

Ok actually that's a reasonable weight but why is archaludon so light

[timber falcon]

No way arch is twice as light as gambit

[cyan smelt]

It's because suspension bridges are light

[polar canyon]

Yeah but it's also a big fat dragon with metal skin

And a stapler

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/c673540e83d5f167 sets arent finished

would appreciate any thoughts

a9 can swap with gengar, the i do need some pressure on fairy types after all so i may do the swap

[leaden fox]

what you considering moveset wise on sini and kommo

[foggy lodge]

Its made of a light metak

[timber falcon]

well sinistcha is part of the main core for sustaining kommo-o, kang and corv. So i think ill run matcha, trick room, rage powder, and protect?

protect might get swapped for life dew tho

[leaden fox]

If you don't do Trick Room, you could run Life Dew as well in that slot
Kommo would likely benefit from Clangorous, Clanging, Protect and Aura Sphere

But yeah, having something to threaten some Fairy types would help

Just have to watch out for Sucker Punch mons after that

Stat spread wise afterwards, cannot be sure of though 😅

[polar canyon]

I wanna use kommo o and special looks better but drain punch clangorous soul is looking at me funny

[timber falcon]

true i might drop trick room, now that i think abt it Komm-o wont really benefit from it

[leaden fox]

Exactly, and if your opponent runs Trick Room, you can counter that somewhat already with your current team

[timber falcon]

i might as well take this opportunity to practice stat spreading

[leaden fox]

Since you have Kangaskhan as it is

Make sure that Kanga is "Scrappy" before it's Mega though, let's you delay if you need to

[timber falcon]

i think kang is gonna be extra bulky, i wanna be able to absord things like heatwave and eq, ive used a similar set in the past

[leaden fox]

Plus Scrappy stops intimidate thankfully

[timber falcon]

yeah forgot about this lol, the amount of times ive lost by using early bird instead 😅

[leaden fox]

It happens 😁 We all forget how many buffs certain Megas (pre-Mega and Mega form) have happened since Gen8

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/6780df13f0d63c4f so these are the movesets. Im conflicted with hypnosis milotic as it while it acts as a distrupting mon, not only do i already have gengar, but it doesnt directly support my other bulky mons

maybe ill run a more supportive set since sinistcha doesnt wanna stay in sun

[polar canyon]

Wonder if mega scov mega gengar and kommo-o would fit together in a team

[timber falcon]

i lost to that yesterday.

[polar canyon]

Alright sounds good

Also running disable encore sableye

I'm trying to find fits for my scovillain sableye team

[leaden fox]

I know some people haven't been running too many of that form of Milotic recently, though that is a case by case basis

[polar canyon]

Scov sableye is kinda evil when it works especially with fire spin

You'll find that people usually really want to switch out when they're hit with disable and leech seed so that was my solution

[timber falcon]

with the sleep nerf the set isnt so relaible. Ive broken out of it wuite quickly many times

[timber falcon]

skill swap sabeleye to give it shadow tag? is smth ive seen too

[leaden fox]

Yeah, you are always guaranteed the one turn of sleep; which isn't beneficial if you go before the one you put to sleep

[polar canyon]

Amoonguss is especially vile for being a slow bulky spore so it usually guarantees the turn after

[leaden fox]

I think when I ran Milotic, I ran it as Ice Beam, Protect, Recover and Scald

[timber falcon]

oo ice beam

[leaden fox]

Shame that isn't in the game just yet 😅

[timber falcon]

blessing*

[polar canyon]

They better only add it when safety goggles are back

[leaden fox]

Milotic is fairly bulky, so it can take some hits

[timber falcon]

im at a loss for the items i should give these 4. All benefit from healing but i can only use 1 sitrus and one lefties

and one occa ofc

[polar canyon]

Holy recovery

[leaden fox]

Hmmm 🤔
Tyring to figure that out too

[timber falcon]

if i had my way id be running screens too

[polar canyon]

Where's rillaboom when you need it

[leaden fox]

Sitrus on Milotic may be a good call

[polar canyon]

Might I suggest sableye screens encore disable

[timber falcon]

no because i respect my opponents

[timber falcon]

you think? im just worried without it sinistcha would survive less hits

[leaden fox]

Imagine running a Scrappy mon with Brick Break 🤣

[polar canyon]

They're as capable of doing the same to you as you are to them

[timber falcon]

if only there was one currently on the team

but i dont think its worth

[polar canyon]

Also klefki screens twave is an option

[leaden fox]

Only scrappy mon with Brick Break is HDecidueye

at the moment anyways

[polar canyon]

Psychic fangs is the new cooler brick break

[leaden fox]

nvm then xD

Maybe run Brick Break instead of Low Kick?

Then you won't have any problems into screens

[timber falcon]

would help with screens arch tru

ill try it out

[leaden fox]

People always never expect the Brick Break xP

[timber falcon]

honestly ima just run quick claw corv

[leaden fox]

May be a good shout

[timber falcon]

1/5 chance to get a bs priority tw

[leaden fox]

This is the "current" issue in Champions for the moment; lack of held items that are viable for many teams

[timber falcon]

a shame really

[leaden fox]

As much as I am "hoping" we will get more items on 13th May, it is very unlikely until 13th June

Though that'll be after NAIC

[sudden remnant]

i love dark typez. what i DONT love is Rock types

[leaden fox]

tbf, Dark types won't be hard to deal with once we get more mons in, including more Megas

But Rock types are still easy if no sand in the field xP

[sudden remnant]

the issue is sand 🫠

[leaden fox]

Don't go to the beach then xD

[sudden remnant]

i really wanna add umbreon back to my team 😔

i miss my moon cat

[timber falcon]

32 Atk Sneasler Close Combat vs. 32 HP / 20 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 176-210 (83 - 99%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

never knew kang could even come close to living one of these

jamie boyt really knows what hes doing

[sudden remnant]

“come close” he says with almost all defensive investment

[leaden fox]

Did I just seriously face "Choice Scarf Sneasler"? O_o

[timber falcon]

yet with adamant im doing enough chip to make the defence bulk meaningful

[sudden remnant]

was it poison touch?

[leaden fox]

yep

[timber falcon]

lmao

[leaden fox]

And they used Fake Out on the first move >_>

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-based-the-boys-homelander-the-boys-facts-gif-26206051

[leaden fox]

Sometimes I wonder 🤣

[sudden remnant]

i love when i lead tsareena and people try and click fake out

like bro you arent tinkaton you’re not about that life of breaking mold

[leaden fox]

Yep; many have done that when I am running Farig too xD

[sudden remnant]

some guy used mega amphy in the gc

[leaden fox]

That isn't "that bad" at least 😅

It catches people off guard

[sudden remnant]

they won games 🤷‍♂️

it was mega amphy and the wall hard tr

[timber falcon]

i got absolutely destroyed by tinkaton a few games ago 😭

confidently sent in farig like THAT did anything

[sudden remnant]

tinkaton is absolutely goated bro

[timber falcon]

its so annoying i honestly underestimated it

[sudden remnant]

i just wish it actually had a move to complete its canon goal in life of using corvinknights metal for its hammer

(only gets moves corviknight resists btw)

[timber falcon]

gets encore too and amazing defensive typing

jst not hitting back

[sudden remnant]

it has the best typing in the game wym “amazing defensive typing”

its amazing in general

[timber falcon]

is fairy steel rly that amazing?

i can only think of 2 weaknesses huh

[leaden fox]

lmao; I double flinch a lead and they forfeit 😅

[timber falcon]

would do the same, been through some rockslide bs

[leaden fox]

yep 😅

[sudden remnant]

steel fairy is absolutelyamazing

lfire fighting is also a legendary type combo (looking at you gens 3 4 and 5 starters)

[leaden fox]

https://pokepast.es/38b37e3c5802c747
You can probably figure out where I pinched this from 😅

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-meme-buzz-year-copy-meme-gif-4668439001950303425

the story i am about to tell has been told before, and now i shall tell it again

[timber falcon]

isnt that the top 1 team in grand champ festival

[leaden fox]

yep xD

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/4afb343eb77d5474 finally finished designing team

[leaden fox]

Certainly interesting spreads

[sudden remnant]

3 anti incin pokemon

[timber falcon]

incin can stay burried

[sudden remnant]

true

my answer to incin is sneasler tsareena and insant ohko it with sneasler

[timber falcon]

i kinda copy pasted from munchstats and jamie boyt lol

but if i run into issue with the spreads ill make changes

[sudden remnant]

my team is original to me

besides sneasler ig

[timber falcon]

whats the full 6?

[leaden fox]

I mean, Sneasler is very good atm, can't really blame ya

[sudden remnant]

Meowscarada Delphox-M Gardevoir-M Tsareena Sneasler Araquanid

[leaden fox]

Ah, so you have a part-TR play

[sudden remnant]

im considering swapping one mascot cat for another mascot cat

[sudden remnant]

my answer to tr is araquanid gardevoir and pray

[timber falcon]

scarf meowscarada?

[sudden remnant]

no

tsareena has the scarf

[timber falcon]

ah yeah makes sense

i actually really like the team

[sudden remnant]

knock off trop kick uturn triple axel

i mostly click knock off and triple axel tbh

[timber falcon]

delphox covers gardevoirs steel weakness pretty nicely

[sudden remnant]

im considering making gardevoir not mega and make delphox the solo mega

the issue with gardevoir is a little too many steel and poison types are running around rn

(and ghost)

gengar froslass and basc all just absolutely cook garde

i could swap garde for my other mascot cat

which would actually give me real tr counterplay

[timber falcon]

the gears are churning

all roads lead back to incineroar

[sudden remnant]

um

[leaden fox]

Sounds right

[sudden remnant]

excuse you?

dont lump my absolute goat Umbreon with that cringe bipedal furry

[timber falcon]

another maskot cat in mind?

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I see why that team won Champions Grand Fest; it covers for a lot xD

[timber falcon]

umbreon is a cat???

[sudden remnant]

yes

[leaden fox]

Technically a cat and fox in one

[sudden remnant]

umbreon espeon vaporeon and leafeon are cats

[leaden fox]

Oh dear lord; just thought, I could eventually do a "Z-Stone" or "Dynamax" Singles run of Eeveelutions only 😅

[sudden remnant]

they should introduce mega eeveelutions

[leaden fox]

agreed

[sudden remnant]

and give is a dragon and steel type eeveelution

(two seperate mons not one thats steel dragon)

make the steel 110 hp 95 attack 130 defense 60 special attack 65 special defense and 60 speed

[leaden fox]

I know I want new Eeveelutions; so fingers crossed on Gen10

Wouldn't mind a Flying type one that has high speed and special attack

[sudden remnant]

like the eevees have fully evolved starter stats

i think they did that intentionally as like a second starter

[leaden fox]

Because imagine Flying type Eeveelution that can Tailwind, has Air Slash, etc

[sudden remnant]

imagine it and jolteon together in a rain team

thunder hurricane covers for a lot

but yeah i cant decide who i swap for umbreon

do i solo mega delphox or do i swap my mascot cat for another of my mascot cats

what if i do a solo cat team chat (id still be adding delphox which is a fox not a cat but like the only “cat” mega is lucario)

[leaden fox]

Yeah, never easy choices when swapping out the one member

[sudden remnant]

thats a lie mewtwo is a “cat” and zeraora exists but they arent legal and i wouldnt use mewtwo anyways

[sudden remnant]

let me not do that there would be a lot of bug weaknesses

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/3abff2e8d6103ec2
on my villain arc

didn't test it yet, any suggestions?

[timber falcon]

So I’m making notes on my team, leads , synergy ect

And I’ve come to realise I have no clue how to play Milotic

[polar canyon]

yo ot

do you like my team

[timber falcon]

Fake out wouldn’t be nice to help gengar I think

[timber falcon]

I do

[polar canyon]

I'd put in incin too if I had 7 slots

[timber falcon]

Maybe sabeleye?

[polar canyon]

I like sableye too much this guy is hilarious

[timber falcon]

No i mean sabeleye with fake out

[polar canyon]

and I bring it to like most of my games I'm just too used to the playstyle

I guess so but I like letting opponents have their first move so I can have plenty of choice for disables and encores

light screen is good for scovillain and quash is my response to tr torkoal

[timber falcon]

and is e webs alone reliable enough speed control you think? Idk if your team is bulky enough to survive in teams that dominate by going first. Ofc quash sabeleye is there ig

[sudden remnant]

i hate you for using mega scovillain

[polar canyon]

I was a scovillain fan before the mega

I like it

[timber falcon]

Yeah I get it now

[sudden remnant]

the mega ability needs to be nerfed immediately

other than that i got no issues

[polar canyon]

then the base stats need to be buffed immediately

[timber falcon]

Almost any soecial attacker

[polar canyon]

unfortunately mega scovillain would be hot shit if the ability was any worse

[leaden fox]

tbf, if Mega Scov's ability was on any "bulkier" mon's Mega Ability, then it'd be a problem

[timber falcon]

Agreed

[leaden fox]

But on Mega Scov, it's not a big threat

[polar canyon]

I've been getting scov from red to green hp with only leech seed

[leaden fox]

Plus if you wish to, you can use Skill Swap on it xD

[sudden remnant]

it lived max attack adamant dire claw 🫩

[timber falcon]

Bless your opponents man

[polar canyon]

barely but it's a normal thing to calc for

[timber falcon]

I hope you apologise after every game

[polar canyon]

for some I do when it's actually egregious

[sudden remnant]

🙁

[polar canyon]

like the game I trapped a sylveon and oranguru with fire spin

encored trick room and disabled hyper voice

roseli berry is a lifesaver

I'll try testing out the team with gengar and kommo-o now

first time trying perish song

entering my villain arc fr

[timber falcon]

Finally ready to get started with my team and computer has frozen with all the sets on it 💔

[sudden remnant]

i was telling kalos about this sand hard tr team i fought

they got me down to a 3v1 and i won that shit

[polar canyon]

is there anything I want to invest attack on incineroar for

[leaden fox]

oof >_<

[sudden remnant]

i saw 20 hp 4 def 1 special defense did something i just cant remember what lmao

but like umbreon fr smacks

32 hp 20 def 14 special defense and +special defense -speed absolutely slaps

give it lefties and bros a liver fr

[polar canyon]

what I see is 20 spdef+

can usually take a peli weather ball

I was just checking calcs to see what the most popular spread lives trying to reverse engineer it

wonder if it's for the timid peli 18% chance to live weather ball

or the 25% to live adamant scarf adaptability wave crash

[sudden remnant]

im not worried about peli i have ways to outspeed it and kill it immediately

[polar canyon]

it's usually sash

[sudden remnant]

give umbreon quick attack

it doesnt want protect/detect anyways

[polar canyon]

8 speed scarf rotom can outspeed peli at -1 tailwind so I think my safest bet for it is electroweb

[sudden remnant]

i can run quick attack umbreon lmao

[polar canyon]

just saying how I deal with it

[sudden remnant]

quick attack snarl moonlight helping hands

[polar canyon]

mean umbreon

really just there to survive

mean in a good way

[sudden remnant]

dont tempt me to run willowisp or toxic

[polar canyon]

it gets wisp?

I would be running that

wisp snarl is nasty

I like wisp struggle bug volc

[sudden remnant]

im pretty sure it gets willo

[polar canyon]

it's just a little awkward to use with chomp aerodactyl and basculegion running around

[sudden remnant]

no willo

[polar canyon]

nope

charm or baby doll eyes is the best you got

[sudden remnant]

i wouldnt run twave cuz tr is especially popular rn

[polar canyon]

is it?

[sudden remnant]

charm snarl quick attack umbreon lmao

[polar canyon]

just use foul play idk

[sudden remnant]

no

[polar canyon]

nothing especially hates foul play rn that I can think of but it's some nice chip usually at least

some megas have high attack for no reason

just in case you need that little edge over snarl in damage for a ko or something?

[timber falcon]

Basc probably doesn’t appreciate it

[polar canyon]

volc doesn't appreciate being put in front of a scarf basculegion either

[timber falcon]

Touché

[polar canyon]

I actually don't have a nickname for incineroar

never had a good one for comp at least

[timber falcon]

Yk I’ve never had a te am of nicknamed pokemon

[polar canyon]

I like nicknaming my whole teams with a food theme for single player casually because I think it's cute

[timber falcon]

I should do that

[polar canyon]

but I'm trying to be funnier for multiplayer

[polar canyon]

you get a little more attached to individual pokemon in single player when they have a name that makes them unique

[timber falcon]

I guess I did it for nuzlockes

[polar canyon]

I would not be a fan of emboar if I didn't have honey ham the emboar in plza

[timber falcon]

lol

[sudden remnant]

its here to support and snarl is right there

[pearl wind]

finally hit mb in singles

[sudden remnant]

i got masterball in doubles last night

[pearl wind]

congrats

[sudden remnant]

congrats to you as well 😁

[polar canyon]

skill swap gengar is vile

[sudden remnant]

skill swap gardevoir

😀

not trace that could be useful, but like, telepathy

[timber falcon]

Congrats

[dark sorrel]

I didn't trade over my nuzlocke Pokémon for fear of the visitor system breaking and losing them

I got too attached lol

[sudden remnant]

chat should i play heartgold as Gold (like using his team from the manga)

[timber falcon]

You shouldn’t play heart gold full stop

The level curve almost made me wanna never play an old pokemon game again

[indigo coral]

Expanding on that, I'm really not a fan of Johto in general. It has aged extremely poorly, and my hot take is that most people playing Johto for the first time nowadays would struggle to enjoy it due to that poor ageing. Compared to Gens 3, 5, 7, 8, and 9 it just doesn't hold up to current game design standards anymore

[sudden remnant]

soul silver was my first ever pokemon game

but im absolutely gen 3 stan but ive already played gen 3 so many times

[sudden remnant]

sounds to me like a user error

[polar canyon]

got crit slept by dire claw

1/240

[bold geode]

Mega Scov go hard

[polar canyon]

another crit the next turn

[timber falcon]

wholesome showdown interaction

and some pretty damn good advice lol

[indigo coral]

Unironically, it has helped my mental to not think of bad luck as bad luck. If I think of bad luck as the default/the norm, then I notice the good luck more and it overall leads to net positive mental

Then again, my luck is famously bad and I should have won several lotteries by now, so idk if my experience should be considered the norm 😅

[sudden remnant]

sunshine and happy days 😔

https://tenor.com/view/cat-space-nyan-cat-gif-22656380

[indigo coral]

I have not thought of Nyan Cat in YEARS 👴

[sudden remnant]

yeah i know im an unc

[indigo coral]

So am I, I remember when it was somewhat new still. The old person emoji was me LOL

[sudden remnant]

i remember when it was new

[indigo coral]

We need more videos like Nyan Cat in the world, that era of YouTube was great

[sudden remnant]

asdf save us

https://tenor.com/view/asfd-suddenly-pineapples-asfdmovie-mine-turtle-gif-23687594

[next dust]

Oh how it feels to be 30

[chrome knot]

what

you may be old but are you 22?

[sudden remnant]

im turning 20 this month

[sudden remnant]

but do you know nyan cat and asdf

[gentle crag]

naganohara_vexae has given 1 Gen Rep to ieatshortpeople666

[sudden remnant]

what

[stuck perch]

When are they gonna announce more Mons, held items, and ablilities getting added to Champions? Season 1 is almost over and no news on that

[zenith hill]

season 2 is going to be the same, then season 3 I think they will add more

[stuck perch]

🫩🫩🫩

https://tenor.com/view/oh-brother-this-guy-stinks-this-guy-stinks-spongebob-gif-12941826619780731259

[zenith hill]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-brother-this-guy-stinks-this-guy-stinks-spongebob-gif-12941826619780731259

[stuck perch]

I was saying that towards Pokemon company

[zenith hill]

I know brother, me too...

[stuck perch]

It's gonna be a boring season 2 🫩

[polar canyon]

https://pokepast.es/687b08e6774e6bea
I think I'm mostly satisfied with this

any input?

and any incin nickname

[timber falcon]

el gato

[polar canyon]

It feels awkward going up against floette

[zenith hill]

I thought protect was needed for incin on a perish song team

[polar canyon]

I did not think about that

But I'm not actually clicking perish song that often

Might drop flare blitz

[timber falcon]

yh against floette none of em besides gengar wants to take floette hits, and redirection could easily just stop genger/sabeleye getting in the way

[polar canyon]

The game I won against a floette had me doing switching gymnastics to force them to sneasler + floette against gengar + kommo-o

So I could double into floette with sludge and aura sphere to get either floette or kingambit

[zenith hill]

I'd saved flare blitz to better deal with steel type

[polar canyon]

The steel type would usually be archaludon who doesn't care about a neutral flare blitz in rain

[zenith hill]

I see, I was just thinking about gambit

[polar canyon]

And kingambit who I don't like bringing incin against

It's really more of a sableye centered team the way I play it

People usually tend to switch out when they're hit by encore + leech seed

So fire spin actually works

As well as gengar

Got to 1450 on showdown, nothing crazy but I think it's working well enough for me

I don't know what the average is for this format

Alright maybe protect over flare blitz or throat chop

Anything else?

[zenith hill]

I'd put jolly on rotom to outspeed choice scarf basc

[polar canyon]

Good idea

I had the speed as is for -1 peli in tailwind

[zenith hill]

timid lol not jolly

[polar canyon]

Yeah I just thought +speed nature

[winter fox]

Is Haxorus in Champions?

I need a mon for singles format

[sudden remnant]

no umbreon is el gato

incineroar is el cringe

unless your name is wolfe glick in which case i forgive you

[torpid silo]

Hey y'all can I get help with Golurk

I wanna fix my team built around him

[cerulean nacelle]

Show the team I'm curious

[torpid silo]

Idk why my pictures are all greyed out

[cerulean nacelle]

Idk either. Take some new ones?

[torpid silo]

No I mean it won't let me send

But I can just say the team

It's a Torkoal, Farig, Golurk, Incin, venusaur, and sneasler

[cerulean nacelle]

What do you typically struggle with? Also I kinda wanna know movesets, that also helps

[torpid silo]

It's pretty basic movesets for those Pokemon apart from Coaching replacing Protect on Sneasler and earth power on venusaur for coverage

[cerulean nacelle]

I think coaching sneasler on this team is kinda fake.

[real prairie]

Does suckerpunch trigger on copycat?

[torpid silo]

Depends on what u copycat I think

[cerulean nacelle]

Sucker punch would fail, the subsequent sucker punch from copycat would also fail

[torpid silo]

Yeah it high key has brought me nothing

[real prairie]

Okay, what about scarf typlohsion eruption next to mega delphox copycat? Would sucker punch proct?

[cerulean nacelle]

Imo CC dire claw fake out protect is just a very good set.

[cerulean nacelle]

On the delphox? No. On the typhlosion, yes.

[real prairie]

Yeah I mean on the delphox

[cerulean nacelle]

Sucker would fail because copycat still registers as a status move.

[real prairie]

Meaning id get off two eruptions

Interesting

[cerulean nacelle]

It's certainly an option. Though speed control would be a pretty weird dictator atm. And with how popular sableye has become with quash being a fairly common move, it could just entirely disrupt your plan.

[real prairie]

Tbh don't plan to bring it infront of something that can sucker punch but it's an interesting idea

[real prairie]

Yeah not ideal for anything with priority

[cerulean nacelle]

Basc just out here taking names lmao.

[real prairie]

Nothing new from Bruce

[lavish frost]

Aurorus taking me to 2200

[cerulean nacelle]

Also back to this. I just think a bigger issue of your team itself is that golurk isn't as good of a mega as what people think. It's risky, one of its moves doesn't work with unseen fist, and it's typing isn't the best.

I think torkoal + venu is a nice alternative playstyle but also that torkoal outside of TR is just a bit weird as well.

[cerulean nacelle]

You doing aurora veil shenanigans?

[lavish frost]

Nop

[cerulean nacelle]

Damn is it just blizzard spam?

[lavish frost]

Offensive aurorus with tr mode mostly

[cerulean nacelle]

That's fair.

[lavish frost]

It's also kinda good at switching in on other weather setters

Like zardy heat wave w/o the sun does like 35

Peli does nothing

[cerulean nacelle]

That... is interesting.

[lavish frost]

Ttar rock slide isnt a 2hko

Sry i made a typo lol

[cerulean nacelle]

Chople to hopefully help you live a fighting type move?

[lavish frost]

No it's nevermeltice

Cant say I hate chople tho necessarily

[cerulean nacelle]

Ah fair you really do just want it to hit hard

[lavish frost]

But it lets me get the dmg bump to kill sinistchas

[cerulean nacelle]

Tbh idk if chople makes any tangible difference.

[lavish frost]

Cuz I'm also running bd azu

So getting rid of sinistcha is nice for azu's game

[cerulean nacelle]

Honestly that's a pretty fun usage of aurorus.

Aurorus is like... what 123 HP and then pretty mid stats all round. So with the snow buff it probably is quite a fair bit bulkier.

[lavish frost]

Some bd azu calcs are funny like +6 aqua jet does 130 min to no bulk zardy in the sun

So you can sometimes just say idc abt the sun the zard shall die

[cerulean nacelle]

Sounds about right. What's ur moves on aurorus?

Blizzard, ancient power, some sort of coverage like thunderbolt or something, protect?

Or do you use freeze dry?

Very good into peli, gives a stab move into basculegion.

Man this is making me wanna use a god damn aurorus

[lavish frost]

Some of my spreads are slightly outdated cuz I had some spreads accting for incin intim which I dropped for volc recently

32+ Atk Soft Sand Garchomp Earthquake vs. 1 HP / 18 Def Aurorus in Snow: 122-146 (61.3 - 73.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

But ye lol

[lavish frost]

Running Blizzard/Freeze Dry/earth power/protect

Would love to run power gem if it had it but yknow

I think aurorus doesnt need tbolt if you run freeze dry cuz they are practically targeting the same mons for the most part?

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah I just legit forgot it got freeze dry ngl xD

[lavish frost]

32 Atk Adaptability Basculegion Last Respects vs. 1 HP / 18 Def Aurorus in Snow: 150-178 (75.3 - 89.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

This specific interaction happened in a handful of my games lol

Scarf basc locked to last respects not koing aurorus

This is 200 bp last respects btw

[cerulean nacelle]

Wow I rlly thought you'd have more HP investment than that.

[lavish frost]

I believe it's more optimal to bulk out through def and spdef cuz it's a high hp but mid bulk mon

And the snow def multiplier on top of it

[solid frigate]

I mean he’s not wrong

Another example being Iron Hands where you don’t run that much HP cuz you already have a lot,so you just dump stats on SpD

As for Aurorus,it’s harder

[next dust]

Yes. Hence why I said oh how it feels to be 30 XD

[sudden remnant]

lmao

[next dust]

Yeah man people who were there for it dropping. Are either 30 or pushing it lmao which checks out for the competitive pokemon scene

Well, the vast majority of them that is haha

[winter fox]

I'm listening to the green goblin mask. I'm using Sableye Archaludon I am tired of losing.

[lavish frost]

https://youtu.be/_SPiQqh9udU

Well

Let's add another fatass to the fatass arch team lol

[polar canyon]

Fire spin is the future of gaming

[graceful scaffold]

what gonna be the next format in champignon

[molten oasis]

Pest

[cyan smelt]

What does mega sableye do

[shadow wind]

Mirror bounce

[shadow wind]

Holy it’s called magic bounce

Cte is creeping in

He clicks recover well

[cyan smelt]

So it's just really fucking fat

And once it megas it can wisp gambit

[dense latch]

50 hp really drags it down

i dont see any use for it in a doubles context really

[cyan smelt]

Huh funny it's got the same hp as spiritomb

[left bobcat]

Wait spiritomb has 50 Hp? Damn

[winter fox]

Be more annoying

[timber falcon]

snarl and repeat

[river sparrow]

trying to make a team with mega candle any suggestions also need a name for meowstic https://pokepast.es/419cb7c7779ed983

[wet light]

Ur Kitten?

[timber falcon]

Why lycanrock?

Also el gato

[river sparrow]

priority accelrock to one shot mega zard and hes got a really fast taunt

[shadow wind]

Does Accelrock even kill?

Doesn’t Lycanroc have like 115 attack

[shadow wind]

Man I’m awesome

[timber falcon]

15 Atk Tough Claws Lycanroc-Dusk Accelerock vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 184-220 (99.4 - 118.9%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

[river sparrow]

yea it ohkos mega zard y

[timber falcon]

Only a really bulky one is living

[river sparrow]

^

[shadow wind]

Is it contact??

[river sparrow]

ye it is

[shadow wind]

Interesting

[shadow wind]

And he has more attack

Why not run sash on though

[timber falcon]

Yeah why try survive sneasler, you can max damage output instead

[shadow wind]

And rock as a defensive type is just weak to everything

[timber falcon]

So even with chopple, mons like basc and garchomp are probably gonna OHKo

[river sparrow]

i kinda forgot about the sash thanks for reminding me ill give it to em and maximize his damage

[next dust]

I would think

If Nintendo is gonna assume I will want the next battle pass and take money from me

That IT WOULDNT HAVE TAKEN IT FIVE DAYS BEFORE THE NEW BATTLE PASS ARRIVES

what is the point. Of deciding I will continue paying for a service.

If I cannot use the service when I am paying for it

[lavish frost]

Just got to mb1

[pearl wind]

congrats!! thats awesome

[lavish frost]

Thanks

[shadow wind]

https://x.com/ravencasts/status/2052650142629515492?s=46&t=ih-wSGNWJ37zvkia6A7cAg

Raven (@RavenCasts)

Seen a lot of people asking how season resets will work.

This info is in game but in case you didn't see.

@Pokemon_Champs

X · May 8, 2026, 7:21 AM

Gg

[pearl wind]

i forgot about helping hand on giraf aaaaaaaa

[cyan smelt]

Was it helping hand water spout

[pearl wind]

nope

slowly climbing back to 2k elo tho

[cyan smelt]

I really want to try pangoro

[pearl wind]

do it then

[cyan smelt]

Just need to figure out partners, i have no idea if pangoro, gambit, kang, farig is good or not

[timber falcon]

Congrats

Also is mega emboar behind a paywall?

I’m champions, or is there another way to get the stone

[cyan smelt]

What does mega emboar do

Waitttt i see, mold breaker high horsepower right

[dark sorrel]

You can get emboarite through the battle pass or the frontier shop

[violet parcel]

freaking rng man

when i use dire claw i dont get the sleep

when an opponent uses it its insta sleep

[leaden fox]

Yeah, thankfully all the Mega Stones on the BP are VP purchasable; it's just other certain things that aren't 😅
(Could be wrong about the character outfit, hair, etc; could get added next season)

Also; I swear I've seen an uprise of Mega Ampharos as of late 🤔

[timber falcon]

What’s the point of having it in battle pass then lol

[leaden fox]

In case you don't want to spend VP on them xD

But yeah, mainly cosmetic for the BP

atm; the starter pack and maybe the membership is more worth it than the BP if you ain't bothered about the clothing

Though atm, I don't think the membership is worth it "yet"

[bold geode]

Mega Emboar is found in the dumpster where it belongs

[timber falcon]

Mega emboar should’ve gotten mega sol meganium didn’t deserve it

[shadow wind]

Or just keep him with reckless 😭

[indigo coral]

The other two starters getting brand new abilities and Emboar getting Mold Breaker is crazy work

[pliant kelp]

out of all of the decisions for new abilities, its certainly one of them

[indigo coral]

I think the only relevant matchup for Mold Breaker Emboar is maybe to not get walled by Flash Fire Chandelure? But Emboar gets Head Smash already

[pliant kelp]

shoulda gave it noguard to match his fancy new look

[indigo coral]

I think I'd like Scrappy or Inner Focus better personally. It fits the Samurai vibe he's got going on

[clever root]

Metagame feels too voltaile towards scope lens hydreigon, will probs make it scarfed, probs will drop clef too

Actually i might just try giving hydreigon scarf and thats it

[real prairie]

I may be a little less active now, my workplace have blocked discord lol

[clever root]

Use your data hehe

[real prairie]

Aromatisse have some usage on a hard TR team? 👀 maybe mega Camerupt team

Slower than Camerupt with fake tears and sunny day is lethal

[timber falcon]

I’ve seen this around

It’s also quite bulky

[real prairie]

Haha work think they are gonna get me more productive, little do they know now I'm just going to sit around on my phone

[real prairie]

Aroma veil blocks taunt too

[clever root]

It is very fat which is nice

[real prairie]

Question is, do I even have one 😂

[clever root]

Time to shalpha hunt in za

[real prairie]

Absolutely not 😂

[bold geode]

Meganium did deserve it LOL

Meganium was so ass

[real prairie]

Surprised they made it such an attacker, really thought they were going to make it a support mega

[bold geode]

It fuck tho

[real prairie]

It really needs some more fairy moves though 😂

[spiral ridge]

Unlike you

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/frying-pan-nelson-cheng-date-of-honor-frying-pan-gif-18023648

[clever root]

That's what i did for kangka

Its now big momma the former alpha

[real prairie]

I just genuinely dislike LZA to be doing 1k battles to get the shiny charm

And as I dislike it, I don't want to buy the expansion

[clever root]

You can buy the dlc, and skip the 1000 battle mission btw

[real prairie]

This ^

The 15 games to get Floette had me hating life

TBF my son has the expansion, he can share the virtual card with me I think if I really want to do any shiny hunting

[clever root]

I wasnt too mad doing the battles

I think my record was 80 battles in one battle night

[leaden fox]

I remember facing Hydreigon + Sylveon lead, unsure why; until I found out the hard way: Choice Scarf Hydreigon and Fairy Feather Sylveon with Round each >_<

[indigo coral]

Round in 2026 is interesting, was unaware that was even still in the game to be fair

[timber falcon]

It still should be

[bold geode]

Sounds like someone has no Meganium MU

Which btw would be fucking dumb

[timber falcon]

No Ofc I do

I just hate it personally

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-build-kamen-rider-kiryu-sento-sento-kiryu-仮面ライダービルド-gif-3695492885460378130

(I got Para'd in the following turn but i still win regardless thanks to corv)

[timber falcon]

Wait what

They protected and then body slammed in one turn?

[solid frigate]

won the double protect as well

my guess is that they clicked body slam but Oranguru is faster in TR

[timber falcon]

And it was the EXACT interaction they needed to get that off 😭

And is your charizard slow?

[solid frigate]

Yeah Bulky Zard

[sudden remnant]

every time ive seen a mega glalie all it wants to do is explode

it has refrigerate right?

[solid frigate]

yes

[sudden remnant]

im also using a coaching sneasler 😁

but im not using a physical mega so i can usually catch someone off guard with it

its for araquanid and for physical bulk on delphox

[bold geode]

What did you drop for it

[bold geode]

I feel like basically there's no moves rn you can drop for Coaching

[timber falcon]

Protect

[bold geode]

No Protect No Sash is a choice

[sudden remnant]

its actually been working cuz i think theres a bigger fish to fry on my team lmao

that does have protect

[bold geode]

I think you're fried

[sudden remnant]

im not in fact

i reached master ball the other day

with that team

although im considering swapping meow for umbreon back cuz tsareena and meow on the same team is difficult

[bold geode]

Good for you but also like

Imma be real why it's something to be happy about it's not something that completely validates stuff

Like 100k+ people also made master ball, and I've seen some atrocities in master ball

[sudden remnant]

i wouldn’t say my team is an atrocity 😔

just a little less normal than the normal

[bold geode]

Yeah but I'm just saying like "oh I reached master ball with this" doesn't fully validate stuff

Like you could probably make Master Ball with Chimecho

[sudden remnant]

i reached master ball and it was comfortable for me

[sudden remnant]

what did chimecho do to you

[mighty stump]

Did you see that Mia Skylar nonsense lol

[sudden remnant]

who?

[mighty stump]

Everyone on ladder is playing the exact same Zard Y/Aero team, Espathra pass, and Wolfe’s team

[bold geode]

Why does that sound like some girl like the one big lip bitch from old YouTube

[mighty stump]

iykyk

Anyways

[bold geode]

I haven't seen Espathra once

[mighty stump]

Regma got stale real quick

[sudden remnant]

um excuse me

[mighty stump]

Lucky you

[bold geode]

Real lol

[sudden remnant]

speed boost protect calm mind and baton pass

basically quiver dance with extra steps

[bold geode]

But yeah Mia Skylar sounds like the name of a hot Cheeto girl

[sudden remnant]

lmao

[mighty stump]

Unironically bring back Urshifu because I’ve had it up to here with gimmicks

At least Zard Y is honest

[sudden remnant]

my team isnt a gimmick 🥺

[mighty stump]

I miss the days of playing skillful Balance

[bold geode]

I will say I don't mind the format at all
The two cons are like
The variance and the fact that everything has a counter but you can't counter everything

[mighty stump]

Monke everything is literally “spam moves on Archa” or spam moves until Basculegion comes out

There isn’t much to counter

[bold geode]

LMAO

[sudden remnant]

me who has neither

[mighty stump]

Sneasler/Kingambit dies to Chomp and you just win off that

[bold geode]

Have we got past the Sneasler Kingambit Basculegion bullshit yet or

Are we done with that game of chicken yet or

[solid frigate]

As far as I’m concerned

Probably not-

[mighty stump]

im gonna run Haze good luck to all my opponents

[bold geode]

I'm probably losing a lot cuz I refuse to run Basculegion LMAO

[mighty stump]

in all seriousness i have yet to see anything that makes me think “wow this is skill expressive”

[mighty stump]

If you dont want to run Basc then you have to run Gambit to counter Basc

Simple

[bold geode]

Real

[sudden remnant]

how is it i can comfortably tun my sneasler protectless but not my delphox

[bold geode]

But like I ran a Sitrus set with Mega Scovillain and at best it felt fine

Like it's just a Mon that feels shit in my hands and broken in everyone elses

[sudden remnant]

i have tsareena im not worried about the fish

[mighty stump]

ai’m about to run Hard Stone Garchomp to mess with everyone’s Zard Y calc

[bold geode]

LOL

I'm running Mega Fros and I need a speed control guy and I'm genuinely considering running Mega Manectric with Rain Dance just to fuck Zard Y

[sudden remnant]

wtf does hard stone do

[bold geode]

Mystic Water for Rock moves

[sudden remnant]

oh

so thats what the rock one is called

ik silk scarf dragon fang mystic water miracle seed charcoal and soft sand and like thats it

[bold geode]

Also I'm glad Soft Sand Garchomp is very common
I was on that like hour one LOL

[sudden remnant]

im more familiar with the plates

ive only played arceus like 8 times 👨‍🦯

[bold geode]

Well now there's Dragon Fang Scale Shot which is powerful but Soft Sand Garchomp smacks

I just slapped it on as soon as I saw no Lorb or Clam or Band LOL

[mighty stump]

I play Scale Shot and get two hits

Everyone else gets 4

I’m like bro

the fuck

[sudden remnant]

i got jumpscared by a scale shot chomp yesterday

cuz they havent been running it 🫠

what if they introduced a dragon type with skill link

[bold geode]

Yeah tbh I don't even wanna touch that move

[sudden remnant]

my araquanid died to a 5 hit rock blast from an aero

i was so mad bro

[molten oasis]

Same

I think scale shot Garchomp is shit

[spiral ridge]

i use soft sand :D

i just didnt feel like figuring out which berry was the ice one lowkey

[bold geode]

It says it in game LOL

[spiral ridge]

look

[foggy lodge]

Why am I suddenly seeing colbur berry Basculegion

[spiral ridge]

i wasnt scrolling through allat
and it was the right choice anyways so like

[sudden remnant]

yache berry right?

[bold geode]

Honestly I'm surprised I haven't seen it yet

[sudden remnant]

i ran into one yesterday which sucks cuz id clicked knock off

[next dust]

Nothing is funnier than leading mega Gengar and rotom wash into trick room and I will die on this hill

Go mega trick choice scarf onto setter w/rotom wash and see who can adapt to the chaos more haha

[pearl wind]

so silly

and i still lost the game LOL

[haughty void]

not sure if its ok for me to put in here but would anyone fancy a battle on champions?

[sudden remnant]

how 💀

can anyone tell me the standard arch set rn

i wanna calc against it but i genuinely dont know what people are running

[haughty void]

Electro shot, protect, draco meteor, breaking swipe. Could also run dragon claw

[sudden remnant]

i meant the evs

[haughty void]

32 hp, 2 defence, 32 sp attack. Is mine if that helps

[sudden remnant]

yes that helps a lot

im trying to see how much i can smack an arch for with a sharpness gallade sacred sword

[haughty void]

Modest nature and stamina but I have seen alot of sturdy

[sudden remnant]

even if its sturdy thats fine

[haughty void]

Fair enough I wish you luck with your build

[foggy lodge]

Why dragon claw

Or breaking swipe

[haughty void]

Just stating that it could run that

[foggy lodge]

You shouldn't tho

[haughty void]

And this for either a quick ko on a low hp mon or to lower attack stats of physical attackers

[haughty void]

Never said you should

[next dust]

I mean he asked what it was running and those are the moves you listed

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-gif-23372577

Free intimidate

[haughty void]

Yes if you bring one with intimidate

[sudden remnant]

i know what moves they run its electro shot flash cannon draco protect

[sudden remnant]

i hope you mean “one” as in a mon with intimidate

cuz why would you be using incin without intimidate

[haughty void]

Yes I do

[haughty void]

Some people don't run incin so another mon with intimidate

[clever root]

ive seen ppl say mega crab is a good secondary mega partner to mega glim

[sudden remnant]

is there a question here

[clever root]

yeah, im stuck on what the best secondary mega for glimm is

im trying kanga atm

got this except hydreigon is scarfed atm, but i still feel like im exploding way too fast with glimm, it gets off 1 attack then dies

the meta does feel very volatile towards it

[sudden remnant]

can you show the stats

[clever root]

yeah

[chrome knot]

@bold geode help me

i want to make another scream tail :(

[sudden remnant]

[clever root]

its at such a weird speed tier

1 bp slower than garchomp is so ass

[bold geode]

I have no clue where to even start tbh LOL

[chrome knot]

well ive made a core then idk what last 2 are

[bold geode]

Show

[bold geode]

You're just unironically making the Gengar teams that MDB had or from the GCs lol

[chrome knot]

ur mom

there was 0 inspo im just a girl

[bold geode]

No YOUR mom

[bold geode]

Real I'm basically copying a friend rn for one mega LOL

[chrome knot]

ive copied nobody

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/green-alien-cat-green-alien-cat-meme-cat-rage-meme-angry-alien-cat-gif-16978295465898295971

[solid frigate]

[clever root]

with how volatile everything is to glimmora (sand teams + garchomp existing) I feel like I either need a mega that can fight well in sand, and something that can deal with garchomp by itself

[sudden remnant]

the wall

[clever root]

yeah crabominable is the wall

the crunchy wall

[sudden remnant]

i meant the actual wall

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-aggron-aggron-mega-aggron-pokemon-mega-aggron-gif-25541149

my teams only gonna have 1 mega

[clever root]

risky

[sudden remnant]

ill be aight

its gonna be mega delphox umbreon gallade tsareena araquanid and sneasler

[timber falcon]

Looks like perish song

Without the perish

[chrome knot]

perish is ass

in my hands atleast

[sudden remnant]

chat what is the fire resist berry called

nvm i got it

[clever root]

I might try this

or a remix of it

[clever root]

thoughts on my final mon

need some ideas on what it could be

[sudden remnant]

what the birb doing

[clever root]

offers a fast mode once trick room is up, letter glimm safely outspeed stuff like floette-m, scarf garde, froslass etc

plus, it can hurt when used offensively

[sudden remnant]

tw only helps glimmora and itself though

[clever root]

exactly why my last mon should be another mon that can benefit from TW

[sudden remnant]

also isnt glimm uncomfortable in tr

[clever root]

because I dont have to use TR every game, Sinis works in and outside of TR, araquanid works as an anti rock slider and can scare off some sand mons that only car rock slide

[sudden remnant]

101 speed sounds weird

[clever root]

i wont use glimma if im using TR, if im TRing then its mega crab coming

if im speeding then its glimm

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-pepega-drive-meme-gif-16837577

[wet light]

Castform

[clever root]

https://tenor.com/view/husky-aoshima-edel-hired-stare-gif-20902335

[wet light]

The mice then

[sudden remnant]

simisear

[clever root]

me thinks i need another special threat

stuck between hydreigon and archaludon i think

[sudden remnant]

cmon give bro a chance

[cyan smelt]

Why

[sudden remnant]

cuz its funny

and its stats arent actually all that bad

[cyan smelt]

Isn't simipour the good one because it gets icy wind and scald

[sudden remnant]

🤷‍♂️

simisear gets gunk shots tho 😎

[clever root]

they should have kept simisear as the fat monkey like it in the beta

[sudden remnant]

talking about gen 5 beta 🫩

okay grandpa lets get you back to your room

[clever root]

oh i aint saying anything other than i miss the fat monkey

[cyan smelt]

Dance monkey dance monkey dance monkey oh oh oh

[sudden remnant]

also hi kalos

im editing my team and im changing quite a lot this time

[cyan smelt]

What are you changing

[sudden remnant]

swapping mega garde for non mega gallade and moew for umbreon

and making tsareena slow and bulky with occa berry

[cyan smelt]

Also if bascs are hitting the colbur berry now it makes even more sense to hit em with the cc, leaf blade or triple arrows

[sudden remnant]

[timber falcon]

Farig?

[sudden remnant]

they want a mon that works outside tr

for glimmora tflame mode

[cyan smelt]

Dnite

[clever root]

yeah im going back to the origianl team lmao

might add a9 onto this with veil

[cyan smelt]

Aero

[sudden remnant]

did you see my changes 🥺

[cyan smelt]

Gallade, umbreon and occa berry

[sudden remnant]

yes

[cyan smelt]

I want to use pangoro purely because hitting basc with the close combat would be super funny

[clever root]

yeah good idea, or i do talonflame and then add garchomp on again as rotom also works p well with garchomp

[sudden remnant]

do you think umbreon foul play would ohko a basc

[cyan smelt]

Not if it's running colbur

[clever root]

252 Atk Umbreon Foul Play vs. Lvl 50 4 HP / 0 Def Colbur Berry Basculegion: 196-232 (100 - 118.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[sudden remnant]

how much do you think it would do with colbur

[sudden remnant]

erm what

it does exactly enough to ohko?

[clever root]

if bascu is 196hp and has 0 bulk investment yes

[sudden remnant]

min 100%

[cyan smelt]

You wouldn't even need to run attack on umbreon with the foul play

[sudden remnant]

nope

[clever root]

exactly

calm nature works on it

[cyan smelt]

Rosser can u calc a scrappy cc into basc from pangoro

[sudden remnant]

i already know what evs im using

my umbreon is already ev’d

[solid frigate]

That calc doesnt look right

Did you set both to be level 50

[sudden remnant]

altho i cant decide between lefties and the se fairy berry

[clever root]

i did not

showdown set it the umbreon at level 100

252 Atk Umbreon Foul Play vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Basculegion: 206-246 (105.1 - 125.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

without colbur, it does ohko, buit it also does around 70% to you with wave crash

[sudden remnant]

calc with max hp 20 defense and + def - spe

i forget what its called

[clever root]

why minus speed

[sudden remnant]

cuz

i could run -attack instead since foul play doesnt use my attack stat anyways

[clever root]

252 Atk Adaptability Basculegion Wave Crash vs. 252 HP / 160+ Def Umbreon: 90-108 (44.5 - 53.4%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

[sudden remnant]

😀

im a liver

[cyan smelt]

I'm gonna calc an adamant cc into basc from pangoro

Ok cc doesn't even ohko so ig hisuian decidueye it is

[sudden remnant]

ofc cc doesnt ko

[sudden remnant]

so anyways more likely than not it will be a three hit ko

assuming i dont click moonlight lmao

[sudden remnant]

why does umbreons level effect foul play if it goes off the opponents attack

[cyan smelt]

I wonder if triple arrows ohkos

[sudden remnant]

if cc doesnt no way in fuck triple arrows does

[clever root]

with scope lens aint it guaranteed crit

[cyan smelt]

Maybe leaf blade does

[clever root]

leaf blade does, i was running it for a while

[sudden remnant]

crit doesnt stack with moves that can already crit 🙁

[clever root]

H-Deciduye might slot nicely here too tbf