Also that lol
#competitive_discussion
cerulean nacelle
shadow wind
Completely walls chomp actually
cyan smelt
Unless chomp is running iron head or poison jab
shadow wind
Nah
They don’t do that
I’ve played a million ladder games and I’ve only ever seen one pjab chomp
cyan smelt
The only problem is they like to run zard next to chomp
shadow wind
Sure do !
And now you’ve run into the million dollar question
“How do you beat chomp and Zard at the same time”
cerulean nacelle
“How do you beat chomp and Zard at the same time”
that's the neat part! You don't!
shadow wind
And you never will 😔
cyan smelt
I still like imprison protect then ice punch then double edge
Meganium is so i don't struggle with gambits and archaludons so much
shadow wind
The humble steel type
cyan smelt
Oh and also stoise
clever root
I could be even sillier with it, and run follow me clef, and then give it the mega stone 😭
cerulean nacelle
Idk why but blastoise players never seem to respect sinistcha
clever root
I could be even sillier with it, and run follow me clef, and then give it the me...
So I can HH garchomp's EQ
cerulean nacelle
If I had a nickel for every time a mega blastoise shell smashed against me and I matcha gotcha'd and almost KOed them immediately, I'd have more than 5 nickels.
shadow wind
If I had a nickel for every time a mega Blastoise shell smashed against me and then won in 2 turns I’d have my than 5 nickels as well
cerulean nacelle
If I had a nickel for every time a mega Blastoise shell smashed against me and t...
You know what that means? We can afford like... 50p worth of sweets
shadow wind
Fire
cerulean nacelle
🤣
zenith hill
Yea the typing is what I thought too. I saw people use it so though I would give a try
cerulean nacelle
Yea the typing is what I thought too. I saw people use it so though I would give...
If something catches your fancy, give it a try. It might surprise you.
For example I think mega camerupt is highly slept on as a TR pokemon.
zenith hill
Idk why but blastoise players never seem to respect sinistcha
I instant switch if I see sinistcha tho
cerulean nacelle
I instant switch if I see sinistcha tho
Then you're not most players ig.
But so many just don't respect it and then pay the price lmao.
zenith hill
If something catches your fancy, give it a try. It might surprise you.
Unless I see it doing rage powder for sure
clever root
zenith hill
But so many just don't respect it and then pay the price lmao.
Many shell smash player just want to set up and sweep through the game lol. But a lot of the time is that that easy
cerulean nacelle
Hydreigon is probably gonna struggle to set up that focus energy. It's best friend is scarf atm I believe.
I also think maushold and mega clef as a secondary mega is a bit of an odd choice.
shadow wind
I ran Hydreigon with Haban berry for chomp with a tw set
cerulean nacelle
I ran Hydreigon with Haban berry for chomp with a tw set
Which resist berry is haban. Fairy resist?
shadow wind
Dragon
cerulean nacelle
Ah. That's fun
I do need to start building more teams. I've just been really outta it and can't find a team I vibe with other than mega froslass.
cerulean nacelle
I like it... I just don't like not vibing with the teams.
shadow wind
Fair
cerulean nacelle
Like I loved mega aero but honestly it's just a momentum sink against mega scovillain.
Mega camerupt is a fun TR mega and actually can have a good match up into zard Y because you can run sheer force boosted ancient power lol
But you can't bring it to rain at all.
cyan smelt
Plus it needs tr
cerulean nacelle
TR ironically ain't the hardest thing.
shadow wind
Impossible you say
cerulean nacelle
But finding good partners for mega camerupt can prove challenging
Although torkoal in the back with venusaur to give you an alternate playstyle is surprisingly fun.
clever root
I also think maushold and mega clef as a secondary mega is a bit of an odd choic...
No its maushold or clef as the follow me support, and if i cant find a good secondary mega, then it'll be clef
cerulean nacelle
No its maushold or clef as the follow me support, and if i cant find a good seco...
If you want clef as redirection it's better off holding a resist berry or sitrus berry or the likes.
Especially if you factor in the fact it gets unaware naturally.
So set up can't even break through it super easily.
dense latch
Impossible you say
you’re 150 elo above 2nd place???? at least give the others a chance lmaoo
shadow wind
Pizza how does munchteams feel about ladder tour replays
shadow wind
you’re 150 elo above 2nd place???? at least give the others a chance lmaoo
There’s still like 4 days left it’s fine
They’ll catch up, maybe
And look the whole point of a ladder tour is to show off
zenith hill
No its maushold or clef as the follow me support, and if i cant find a good seco...
Hydreigon and maushold both weak to fighting type tho. Clefable probably better lol
shadow wind
I ran a Maushold with chople berry and dude was the goat
zenith hill
At least you can play mind game with sneasler, otherwise its just gonna spam cc on u
shadow wind
you’re 150 elo above 2nd place???? at least give the others a chance lmaoo
Not to mention 13 GXE 🤓🤓
Genuinely don’t know how my GXE is that high
Well I know how but I don’t think I’m a 77 GXE player
cerulean nacelle
I ran a Maushold with chople berry and dude was the goat
With the right partner dude just locks it down.
@shadow wind we need to do maushold + froslass...
cerulean nacelle
Nah but follow me to redirect kingambits and helping hand blizzards
Could run a nasty plot set instead of an aurora veil set.
Just let the froslass go crazy.
Obviously you need secondary measures to zard Y. Every team does.
clever root
Hydreigon and maushold both weak to fighting type tho. Clefable probably better ...
Ye smart idea
shadow wind
Funny thing is I was actually thinking about plot Froslass earlier
cerulean nacelle
Funny thing is I was actually thinking about plot Froslass earlier
I'm currently running bulky froslass with enough speed to outspeed 102 base speed pokemon.
But going balls to the wall with nasty plot froslass kinda sounds dope.
shadow wind
Like you could literally run 252 hp and 252 speed
cerulean nacelle
THATS WHAT IM SAYIN
Though it might actually be an idea to run a bit less HP and invest a bit In defense.
shadow wind
Yeah true
cerulean nacelle
Because snow stonks
cerulean nacelle
Yahhhhh
shadow wind
1 billion spdef
And now mega Ttar with zero investment has 210 spdef
That’s my goat 🤧🤧
cerulean nacelle
I literally invested enough defense to get to 100 with mega froslass. So in snow that's 150 defense which is actually higher than it's special defense afterwards.
shadow wind
Smart
I wonder if chilly reception would ever be useful
Like on a slowking or something
Probably not though
cerulean nacelle
Can go... 24HP, 10 defense, 32 speed with timid nature. That makes froslass pretty bulky and also max speed.
cerulean nacelle
If there were any half decent slush rushers snow would be crazy
I think the only issue atm is everyone and their mother is on rain dance sableye atm.
shadow wind
True
cerulean nacelle
Could do a dual mega team
Idk why I legit think maybe this froslass maushold thing ain't that insane.
Or using sableye of our own to guarantee some shenanigans.
shadow wind
So glad I’m part of the 100% group
You’re welcome pizza for being one of your statistics
strange fjord
Pizza how does munchteams feel about ladder tour replays
should get picked up on munchteams
shadow wind
Yippee !
I had a game that 1807
I’m number 1 🤧🤧
I wanna thank Tyranitar, I wanna thank Volcarona, and most importantly I wanna thank pizza for this W website
Well technically I’m not the #1 replay yet
But soon
Also pizza
The usage score thing
Is the higher the number the more unique the team or is the lower the number the more unique the team
I’m gonna guess low is unique high is common
leaden fox
That is certainly new 😅
Also I know that May 13th (next Wednesday) should have a maintenance at 3am to 6am UTC; don't know if we will get any mons added in or not, same case with items, we'll see though
shadow wind
That is certainly new 😅
What munchteams?
Also it’s maintenance there won’t be any mons or items added
They can’t change the format half way through
leaden fox
Well we'll see for sure; would be nice if they add only a few items and mons, but if not, fair dos xP
shadow wind
They already gave the pipeline for the next regulation and when mons will be added
They won’t give us a surprise Salamence in the maintenance
It changes the entire format
leaden fox
Yeah, it's just a different aspect than ScarVio, that is why I wasn't sure 😂
But only "valid thing" I hope for is: VP bonus rewards depending on our rank
Since each format is in two parts
shadow wind
Well sv never had any battling bugs because it was a fully developed game
Unlike champions
indigo coral
Well sv never had any battling bugs because it was a fully developed game
Oh it definitely had a lot at launch. Especially around Zoroark, there were multiple bugfix patches specifically around fixing Zoroark in battles. Also there was the Protosynthesis/Neutralizing Gas patch if that counts, but I'd argue that was more balance patch than bugfix
cerulean nacelle
Oh it definitely had a lot at launch. Especially around Zoroark, there were mult...
There was also the OHKO move patch if I'm remembering right.
spark siren
Once these Pokémon get added to Champions, how would you counter them?
cerulean nacelle
Once these Pokémon get added to Champions, how would you counter them?
Dozogiri is just using haze or a phase move.
P2 is annoying but knock off ruins him. Electsbuzz and magmar are just the same.
Clefairy is annoying but hit it hard enough it dies.
If amoonguss gets brought into the game and safety goggles won't ima kill myself. Or just... use lum or chesto berry.
chrome knot
any fire ice psychic or flying types that have ohko rolls & safety goggles
incineroar beats it unless its hhp max attack rilla
terrain of your own
amoonguss, haze, strong electric & grass
balance core that can waste time, knock off
kill it
upper zealot
clefairy is lowkey homeless til restricteds come back
real prairie
TR expanding force shenanigans again
Indeedee male + Mega Alakazam could be lethal
polar canyon
If they add indeedee before rilla it's over
foggy lodge
Once these Pokémon get added to Champions, how would you counter them?
double rock slide spam flinch
cerulean nacelle
Indeedee male + Mega Alakazam could be lethal
If the usage of kingambit stays high, which it provably will, then there will be some safeguarding.
Alakazam has to land focus miss lol.
real prairie
If the usage of kingambit stays high, which it provably will, then there will be...
Except psychic seed sneasler will probably be back
cerulean nacelle
Except psychic seed sneasler will probably be back
Oh yeah the seeds will definitely come into play. Which opens up sash and white herb for other mons.
the ptsd of tapu lucha comes running back
leaden fox
Once these Pokémon get added to Champions, how would you counter them?
tbf, if Dozogiri get added, there is some counters to them already, but if Mega Tatsugiri is REALLY good once Dozo is down, who knows what could happen
tiny karmaBOT
leaden fox
It all depends on the Mega Ability it gets, because I doubt it'll have Commander or Storm Drain
steady linden
Sooooo, fun fact, using Encore on a pokemon with a move that can't be used twice, like Gigaton Hammer, it bypasses the clause and can be used back to back........
pearl wind
winning a game after 5 turns with 0 damage taken on both sides is so silly
encore is so mean
lapis prawn
I wanna run Mega Aggron/Trick room. What is a good set for Aggron?
leaden fox
Question: Looking to change Hydreigon for a Water type; what suggestions would you pick?
chrome knot
roar stealth rock flash cannon thunder punch
lapis prawn
Okay, I’ll try that out and go from there! Thanks
tiny karmaBOT
timber falcon
flash cannon?
leaden fox
flash cannon?
I mean, it worked for a while xP
dense latch
i cant find the original ai aggron build tweet 😭
molten oasis
I remember that post
bold geode
Okay, I’ll try that out and go from there! Thanks
It's not that
Your best set is Iron Defense/Body Press/Heavy Slam/Protect
Guys I know we like to joke but plz dont let misinformation ACTUALLY be spread
molten oasis
I still need to find another mega I like lol
forest arrow
Scovillan
violet parcel
man i really need to work on predicting
i could have won my bout yday if i volt switched instead of using parabolic
polar canyon
Looking at the selection of showdown and seeing the champions ou tiers is funny because what do you mean they had to ban lucario and starmie
Anyways does aerodactyl want coverage
chrome knot
no
keen quiver
Looking at the selection of showdown and seeing the champions ou tiers is funny ...
Adaptability and Self destruct merchants
polar canyon
Would yall vibe with semi bulky mega aerodactyl that lives timid froslass blizzard
clever root
i need a stupid nickname for hydreigon that follows my stupid naming scheme
polar canyon
I would suggest change garchomp just to keep it hidden
Not that most people would assume mega garchomp but who knows
Non 0 chance you win a game because someone thought mega chomp
polar canyon
If clefable is estrogen what if hydreigon is testosterone
keen quiver
okay at this point make it so hydro pump always hit in Rain
This move is so Shit its insane -._-.
polar canyon
okay at this point make it so hydro pump always hit in Rain
This move is so Shit...
If not rotom just run weather ball
clever root
If clefable is estrogen what if hydreigon is testosterone
too big of a name, max of 9 characters so the last 3 characters of the name can be "!!!"
polar canyon
Triple t
clever root
absolutely not I despise that brainrot slop
polar canyon
Fair
keen quiver
If not rotom just run weather ball
they still need to make upper hand to always hit if a pokemon is doing a Priority attack
because apparently if a fake out mon is faster than your upper hand
You lose the priority fight.
which is bullshit
pallid hare
Triple H!!!, then?
polar canyon
I'm in the field that can hate the source but sympathize with the disconnected product
clever root
Triple H could be good
polar canyon
Saw someone comment triple t is soulless slop but the internet gave him a soul
I thought that was funny so it stuck with me
pallid hare
the hell is triple t?
clever root
an italian brainrot ai creation known as "tung tung tung sahur"
clever root
nvm I like this name
his hands look like sock puppets so
now what do I need for my final mon
hawlucha...
i will die to basculeigon
chrome knot
why is clefable estrogen
keen quiver
lmao the Thunder wave, hex strat backfired on them
this is what happens when you put rng in turn based
clever root
why is clefable estrogen
trans icon
keen quiver
trans icon
Um actually its them.
chrome knot
trans icon
since when😭
chrome knot
Um actually its them.
definitely not them
chrome knot
doesn’t really make them icons if its jus u
keen quiver
doesn’t really make them icons if its jus u
you talking shit about my babies 🤨
clever root
wicked blow material🤩
you want to wickedly blow trans icons??
chrome knot
weirdo
keen quiver
wicked blow material🤩
dont make me snatch yo wig
clever root
LKFMA0OLKASNJDAD
clever root
now what do I need for my final mon
my question was never answered, me thinks it has to be another mega
chrome knot
dont make me snatch yo wig
ok specimen
clever root
someone lost to expanding spam too many times
keen quiver
someone lost to expanding spam too many times
imagine
chrome knot
someone lost to expanding spam too many times
nooo its always the free matchup in regional prep☺️
clever root
just run 6 dark types duh
chrome knot
its just not hard to play into a very linear team
craggy dagger
clever root
faster
craggy dagger
no 
craggy dagger
i hope your pillows are lukewarm
i hope that ur entire bed is boiling hot :D
like
just the right temperature where you won’t be burnt alive but hot enough that it’s super uncomfortable
clever root
now what do I need for my final mon
im thinking between
blastoise
skarmory
lopunny
greninja
clever root
i hope that ur entire bed is boiling hot :D
like
just the right temperature wher...
i hope you always have an itch on your back you will never be able to reach
clever root
i’m too flexible for that to happen
yeah well what if i just take your spine
bold geode
i’m too flexible for that to happen
Nuh Uh
clever root
why are you upside down btw
bold geode
Why are you not upside down
clever root
im not australian
bold geode
That's very offensive to people that don't have waffle irons and imma have to ask you to bring it down to a 7
clever root
what if i were to sneeze really obnoxiously loud
bold geode
@chrome knot what is best cookie
clever root
like a dad waking up at 7am
bold geode
what if i were to sneeze really obnoxiously loud
I already do that
clever root
like you begin it by going AAAAAHHHHH before sneezing
bold geode
Yeah me
chrome knot
<@224303371564220418> what is best cookie
what
chrome knot
the smores cookies a local place named cookiebar makes
clever root
crumble cookie review
bold geode
That actually sounds so gas
chrome knot
its yum
bold geode
Real talk
Subway cookies
clever root
the long cookie
chrome knot
yo im feinberg
bold geode
I have not had the long cookie
clever root
the long cookie slaps
spiral ridge
monkey please dont tell me youre an oatmeal raisin fan
bold geode
If they do that's the worst
If not then the worst is the white chip macadamia
spiral ridge
im afraid wed have to stop being friends
spiral ridge
oh okay thank god
bold geode
An oatmeal cookie WITHOUT raisins
spiral ridge
decent
bold geode
Those CAN be gas
bold geode
But if they don't got oatmeal raisin
Then it's white chip macadamia then hmmm
Do I think the triple chocolate or the chocolate chip is better
clever root
i dont like ice cream, any form of ice cream
pallid hare
i dont like ice cream, any form of ice cream
my condolences
bold geode
I say triple chocolate better so white chip macadamia
Then actually no triple chocolate
Then chocolate chip
And the best Subway cookie is the raspberry cheesecake ones holy fuck
foggy lodge
i dont like ice cream, any form of ice cream
clever root
IT HURTS MY TEETH
foggy lodge
Don't have sensitive teeth then
bold geode
@foggy lodge @chrome knot what's the best ice cream flavor then
spiral ridge
damn i got shut down
bold geode
I need to consult the archives
See if we know ball
bold geode
damn i got shut down
Best ice cream flavor go
Actually y'know what flavor I haven't had that everyone else has had
pallid hare
<@797571447118757910> <@224303371564220418> what's the best ice cream flavor th...
dark chocolate brownie batter is a good one
bold geode
I've never had rocky road
spiral ridge
Best ice cream flavor go
either vanilla cinnamon honey from a local dairy thats so fucking bomb or strawberry shortcake
solid frigate
Best ice cream flavor go
If cookies and cream is not on the list then I am gonna Crashout-
spiral ridge
vanilla cinammon honey sounds basic but its like crack genuinely
foggy lodge
<@797571447118757910> <@224303371564220418> what's the best ice cream flavor th...
chocolate
bold geode
dark chocolate brownie batter is a good one
Any like batter/dough flavor is gas
foggy lodge
objectively the best flavot
bold geode
Aight so here's my opinion right
If I'm going like a straight flavor nothing in it and not going neopolitan
Vanilla is the goat
BUT
If we talking flavors with stuff in it
There's these two Blue Bell flavors I like
Ones a new one called Brookie A La Mode which has like I think some cinnamon ice cream or some shit with brownie and cookie pieces in it
pallid hare
Tillamook makes some good ice cream flavors, like the one I mentioned
bold geode
And then my favorite is one called Cookie Two Step which has Oreo cookies and chocolate chip cookie dough in vanilla ice cream
bold geode
Tillamook makes some good ice cream flavors, like the one I mentioned
There's this one zero sugar neopolitan ice cream I had that Breyer makes one time and man that shit was actually not bad at all
pallid hare
then again, Tillamook makes a lot of dairy stuff, like butternase (an unholy combo of butter and mayonnaise)
chrome knot
<@797571447118757910> <@224303371564220418> what's the best ice cream flavor th...
cotton candy
bold geode
cotton candy
How many cavities do you have
chrome knot
??
bold geode
I feel like cotton candy ice cream is crazy sweet
Like that shit is acid for your teeth
Y'all ever have like cake batter ice cream and be like "damn I'm fat"
pallid hare
Y'all ever have like cake batter ice cream and be like "damn I'm fat"
well, I am fat, but no, I've never had cake batter ice cream
solid frigate
well, I am fat, but no, I've never had cake batter ice cream
Trust me on this
It’s too sweet that I never tried it again
pallid hare
Trust me on this
It’s too sweet that I never tried it again
ah, well then
solid frigate
I have to lose some weight before 3 cakes at June since My parents and my brother’s Birthday are in June
pallid hare
best of luck with that
spiral ridge
cake batter is yummy
stuck perch
Do I push for master ball before season 2?
rustic mountain
if u want to
rustic mountain
What second mega for scovillain
ive also seen floette as the dual mega
more on espathra comps
shadow wind
Oh I stopped seeing Espathra comps on the showdown ladder
They all died or something
Maybe I went too high on the ladder
rustic mountain
good
rustic mountain
yep
shadow wind
My Kommo likes to click clangorous soul but he can’t if they Lumina crash turn 1
Usually I lead Ttar Kommo into teams
Cause mega Ttar rock slide hits the flower like a truck
spiral ridge
its just 50/50 calls most of the time
Sad part of vgc is how often these chance teams spurt up as “easy” wins but die down once people realize oh it’s chance that fucks me too
lol
rustic mountain
right
rustic mountain
Cause mega Ttar rock slide hits the flower like a truck
just gta make sure u dont get burned from scov if they do espathra-scov to arch instead of floette
rustic mountain
ahahaha
shadow wind
just gta make sure u dont get burned from scov if they do espathra-scov to arch ...
Ok here’s my flow chart
rustic mountain
i mostly think of the perish teams wolfey won w/ that ppl tried and were awful w/
in sv
spiral ridge
Lowkey never had much trouble with them cus they weren’t Wolfe
rustic mountain
exactly
spiral ridge
Ohh ok
I was thinking ones where I actually would lose cus of their shite
rustic mountain
similar to the sableye arch stuff, like im not playin vs aaron
shadow wind
Ttar protect turn 1
Kommo clang turn 1
If they lumina crash Kommo gg
If they protect turn 1 then turn 2 I click my strong spread moves because either they die or the flower only is +1 and honestly I do the same thing if they cm turn 1
dense latch
after euic ladder was full of wolfey's team
rustic mountain
Ttar protect turn 1
Kommo clang turn 1
If they lumina crash Kommo gg
If they p...
so ur flow chart relies on a 50/50 hahaha
shadow wind
Always
rustic mountain
dense latch
is baton pass espathra all over cart ladder like i've been seeing
looks kinda annoying
rustic mountain
it was common a cppl days ago, i didnt play yday
shadow wind
But odds are they value getting their set up Mon going than killing the dragon fighting type
rustic mountain
it is annoying
shadow wind
So I meta game the 50/50
Who cares what a Kommo can do if you have a +2 +2 +2 mega floette in the back yknow
rustic mountain
thats honestly super fair lmao
shadow wind
But now that I say this people will start killing the Kommo
Just how it goes
Also I can’t believe I never noticed how little hp Kommo has
It makes sense cause all his other stats are quite high
tiny karmaBOT
dense latch
it's interesting how his signature move is special yet has a higher atk stat
i think that's the case for another mon but i cant remember what it is
shadow wind
Fire lash on the sexy lizard
Sorry I forgot her name
Salazzle
Nah gg my career is over
Ok but imagine clanging scales on a good special attacker
dense latch
yea but that's not a signature signature move
shadow wind
?
dense latch
heatmor and centiskorch get it too
cyan smelt
I want centiskorch back
shadow wind
Volt tackle
tiny karmaBOT
spiral ridge
Anime one did for sure with how much it loved iron tail
shadow wind
True !
dense latch
water shuriken used to be physical
shadow wind
Wait really?
dense latch
i think i was thinking of core enforcer on zygarde
tiny karmaBOT
dense latch
o yea victini also has 2 signature moves
shadow wind
Wrong one
tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
Technically this one is true
dense latch
well they did give v create to rayquaza in an event
shadow wind
But hoopa unbound has 160 and 170 so it barely counts
tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
I always forget how funny blacephalon is
tiny karmaBOT
dense latch
man i miss the ultra beasts
shadow wind
Me too
rustic mountain
I want centiskorch back
y
shadow wind
So much cooler than paradoxes
rustic mountain
wat would centiskorch do in this meta
dense latch
1.8m and 13kg what is bro's diet
rustic mountain
I always forget how funny blacephalon is
love blacephalon
shadow wind
What a freaky move
shadow wind
1.8m and 13kg what is bro's diet
Got the vogue model food plan
rustic mountain
idk
dense latch
wrong server lmao
shadow wind
Nah it’s true though
rustic mountain
wemby is unreal
lebron said hes glad wen he hits his prime it wont b his problem
tiny karmaBOT
dense latch
thats sirfetch'd right
shadow wind
Bro who is using this move ???
rustic mountain
is sirfetchd even in the game
tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
Nah I don’t think so
dense latch
like this guy makes a deep 3 and blocks a shot in the span of like 10 seconds
rustic mountain
y r we pullin it up then
dense latch
playing basketball being that tall must be so fun
rustic mountain
lotta really tall guys that just cannot move like that
dense latch
maybe not that tall idk how wemby does it
rustic mountain
playing basketball being that tall must be so fun
"you cant teach height"
shadow wind
y r we pullin it up then
I was looking at all signature moves
dense latch
look at tacko fall and shit
rustic mountain
hes honestly not bad, hes just not nba level
dense latch
ariados had two signature moves but not at the same time
rustic mountain
theres levels to this
tiny karmaBOT
rustic mountain
scalabrine was like im closer to lebron then u are to me
shadow wind
Y’all didn’t need an essay on protect that does -1 speed on contact
dense latch
and yea it's 100% true
rustic mountain
Y’all didn’t need an essay on protect that does -1 speed on contact
free gambit boost thx
gentle cragBOT
free gambit boost thx
treeco. has given 1 Gen Rep to connertep
dense latch
also it's funny to see early signature moves now be widespread moves
like it's pretty obvious blaze kick was blaziken's signature move
rustic mountain
right
shadow wind
free gambit boost thx
Real
dense latch
but i did not know muddy water was swampert's
rustic mountain
i forgot about that
shadow wind
And leaf blade was sceptiles
rustic mountain
now fucking kartana has it
dense latch
for some reason camouflage was staryu's signature move for a single gen
rustic mountain
how do the ultra beasts even have the same learnsets from a different dimension, they should have completely new moves
tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
Average Gen 3 mon
dense latch
it's like how some aliens in movies and tv shows just so happen to also speak english
shadow wind
how do the ultra beasts even have the same learnsets from a different dimension,...
Arceus still created them
rustic mountain
it's like how some aliens in movies and tv shows just so happen to also speak en...
so suspense of disbelief
shadow wind
As part of the Pokémon universe
Or something
My Pokémon lore is not up to date
I just play showdown
dense latch
also parting shot was pancham and pangoro's signature moves
shadow wind
Yup
dense latch
this has been an interesting website to scroll thru
shadow wind
I’ve seen a few more pangoros recently
rustic mountain
i find it funny how they decide wat gets to become not a signature move and what stays one
dense latch
it's also kinda funny to see old moves become signature moves bc of dexit or the move no longer being a tutor move or whatever
dense latch
speed swap was rabsca's signature move in gen 9 and terrain pulse was the sig move of the smoliv line
rustic mountain
They have Sneasler gambit and basc
and?
rustic mountain
ok?
shadow wind
I’m honestly just sick of seeing those guys
cyan smelt
Rising voltage was raging bolt's signature move in gen 9 and steel roller was treads' signature move
shadow wind
As long as that guy isn’t running low kick foul play farig
rustic mountain
gna hav to wait like another monthish for maybe things to b shaken up
cuz idt those guys r losing top 3
shadow wind
I mean honestly I’m fine with how the meta is right now cause my team is good into it
rustic mountain
whats ur team again
shadow wind
Also how would you guys weigh skill and team strength?
Obviously skill and team strength are dependent on level of play and all that
But I got into an argument with someone in a different server because they thought it was 10% team and 90% skill
Average Wolfey fan but that’s ok
dense latch
extremely bad player with extremely good team vs extremely good player with extremely good team
rustic mountain
idk if its quantifiable enough to weigh in percentages but id say skill is far more important tho a good team still matters
stuck perch
Ain't there an ability to stop sucker punch?
rustic mountain
a few yes
dense latch
i'd say like 75/25 skill to team
rustic mountain
dazzling/armor tail/queenly majesty
dense latch
maybe a bit higher for the skill
shadow wind
i'd say like 75/25 skill to team
I was thinking closer to 66/33 but like tree said it’s not really quantifiable
stuck perch
dazzling/armor tail/queenly majesty
Wat are the mon choices for those?
shadow wind
Tsareena and Farigiraf
rustic mountain
having a good team doesnt matter if u dont have the skill to pilot it
shadow wind
I think it’s like a bell curve
rustic mountain
Wat are the mon choices for those?
2/3 of them are in the game farigarif for armor tail and queenly majesty is tsareena
stuck perch
2/3 of them are in the game farigarif for armor tail and queenly majesty is tsar...
Ah ok nice
rustic mountain
bruxish is the one w/ dazzling but idt thats in the game atm
cyan smelt
I love bruxish
stuck perch
bruxish is the one w/ dazzling but idt thats in the game atm
It ain't
shadow wind
Cause the really really bottom 1% players will be carried by a good team and have little to no skill, but the average player usually needs a good team to play well and if they don’t have an above average team they won’t do well, then you hit the top 1-3% of players where the team matters less
But then you hit the top .001% of players that play in worlds and then teams matter again
Which is why I think it depends on level of competition more than anything
rustic mountain
i think its far more nuanced then that
shadow wind
Cause will Wolfey beat 99% of players with a Simisear team? Yeah probably
But he’s not beating the top 1% with the same simisear team consistently
shadow wind
i think its far more nuanced then that
Probably is
rustic mountain
But he’s not beating the top 1% with the same simisear team consistently
he has tho, not simisear but things of the like. the dude won w/ perish in a format nobody else could
in a format w/ urshifu of all things lol
polar canyon
When doesn't he win with perish
rustic mountain
idk
shadow wind
My example of simisear was supposed to be like the end all be all of terrible mons
But yeah he’s won with some crazy things
But those perish trap teams are incredibly made
Like it isn’t talked about but the creation of his teams is just as impressive as his in game decision making skills
rustic mountain
maybe not bottom barrel but hes done well where idt others couldve necessarily which i think is why i find ur original description of a bell curve that read more like a seesaw is just kinda flawed
shadow wind
And maybe it is, as I writing it felt a lot looser than I had originally thought
But also the team building aspect of top players is what makes them top players
And so then the teams do matter significantly
rustic mountain
not even just wolfey, look at the crazy shit a jamie boyt can do well w/, is this skill is that team is that not a very on the pulse understanding of ur mons and how it interacts w/ the meta which requires so much understanding of mechanics and their interactions outside of just skill in playing the game
dense latch
paul chua makes me feel better about only stealing teams
rustic mountain
im not saying it isnt? im saying its more then just boiling it down to where some1 is in the ladder and how that works on a bell curve graph
shadow wind
Yea maybe that was too definitive and strict of a metric
rustic mountain
u before were like oh well its this at this line and then wen ur here and goes back to this etc etc like it just i think overlooks a lot of things in the process
shadow wind
But I do think the team plays a much bigger role in succeeding than people think
I’ll stand by that
rustic mountain
as i said originally its really tough to put which is where on a percentage based metric wen even tourney runs require so much luck not only in certain board states/sets but also the mus u pull, no team is perfect
shadow wind
True
But a stronger team will have better answers into most things so that you can in theory play worse and still win
rustic mountain
ofc
id say at the top level there really shouldnt be a weak team ud bring to a tour
rustic mountain
id say wen the skill pool becomes less apparrent to differentiate, yea
shadow wind
Yeah like top 32 of worlds high of a level
rustic mountain
even at a regional level, a lot of times a team breaks thru that calls out the meta and succeeds in it
dense latch
Is it crazy to say at a higher level the team matters more?
the gap between the best of the best and the rest is pretty big but then it gets to a point where yea this is prob the case
shadow wind
Skraw might infact be closer to Wolfey than I am him 😔
I couldn’t think of a vgc content creator that wasn’t a regional winner skill level
dense latch
moxieboosted
rustic mountain
I couldn’t think of a vgc content creator that wasn’t a regional winner skill le...
theres an insane amount that arent
rustic mountain
regional winner is also rare air like thats a big thing to get done even once
shadow wind
True
dense latch
remember playing against mdb in the smogon tour a while back and the difference was crazy
shadow wind
I think I could day 2 a regional
rustic mountain
I don’t watch vgc content anymore
theres good vgc content id say just depends where ur at in ur journey, at this point for u id say most prolly wouldnt help ud have to watch top players
the wolfeys, the marcos, the justin tangs, tub nation
dense latch
i feel like most of the vgc content rn is pretty beginner leaning given how many new players have started playing
rustic mountain
which is cool u do need entry level stuff
dense latch
yea im all for it
polar canyon
Had a game earlier with hurricane confusion into 2 hits 1 important crit 1 important matcha gotcha burn 3 important 90 acc misses
dense latch
just because it's not for me doesnt mean it's bad
rustic mountain
right
polar canyon
The world itself is against me
dense latch
I think I could day 2 a regional
i think u could too
rustic mountain
idk bout ur first but maybe, u def could get there
dense latch
i'd be happy with a 4-4 or 5-3 in lima
i just have no idea what to expect skill level wise
but i feel like i'm good enough to not go negative
rustic mountain
yea for sure
rustic mountain
id say just stick w. ur gameplans and let them show u tendencies b4 overpredicting
dense latch
once im done with midterms im gonna get my lines as clear as possible
rustic mountain
usually u can gauge generally skill level from that and go from there, and obviously if ur 1-0, 2-0 u kinda off rip know hey this person prolly knows wat they r doing haha
shadow wind
idk bout ur first but maybe, u def could get there
What if I’m really cool about it though
foggy lodge
Is it crazy to say at a higher level the team matters more?
Its probably true
Like I think you can get away with running weird things or straight up suboptimal things and still do well
rustic mountain
What if I’m really cool about it though
foggy lodge
But at the higher level its more difficult
The reason why a lot of weird mons and stuff make day 2 at regionals but most things are standard once you get higher like from top 32 or 16 onwards
rustic mountain
right cuz the good teams/mons are always gna have a higher ceiling
or better i guess is the more efficient way of phrasing that
foggy lodge
yeah
shadow wind
Maxi what are your thoughts on the Milotic idea
foggy lodge
i forgot about answering your dm but i saw it yeah i like milo
foggy lodge
It helps into intimidate and its bulky
shadow wind
Mhm
foggy lodge
yeah but atleast it doesn't get ohkos like a bunch of stuff
And yeah we can avoid solar beam
shadow wind
It’s pretty fire
And secondary speed control is fire
And now we have a FWG core
Although the g part is very lacking in that core
foggy lodge
ngl i also straight up thought about adding mega scovillain as a 3rd mega LMAO
shadow wind
Crazy work
foggy lodge
cuz tytar is just that guy and i pick it a lot of the times without even megaing it
Im playing a mega tytar Scovillain team and the same happens a lot
foggy lodge
True
Scarf Tytar it is now and Mega Scovillain
but nah volc better cuz volc meganium leads are insane
shadow wind
True
cyan smelt
I'm keen to try mega meganium, might help out to have a second mega
It can't be worse than hydrapple at least
shadow wind
Like a Tyranitar or something
cyan smelt
Mega kang is pretty good despite the nerf
cyan smelt
I feel like ttar is better with chople
shadow wind
I feel like ttar is better with chople
That brother getting OHKO’d through chople man
rustic mountain
It can't be worse than hydrapple at least
meganium 100% better lmao
i think ive seen 1 hydrapple so far
shadow wind
I don’t think I’ve even seen one
Kommo kinda nukes him anyway
Actually Hydrapple definitely eats one clanging scales
foggy lodge
guys i really need help how tf does this team beat this lead alone
spiral ridge
Prolly need a rock slide mon on lead very least
But after that it’s still messy
Exca basc could feasibly do it
foggy lodge
i thought like excadrill basculegion but you just eat an earthquake for free from garchomp
spiral ridge
Is it not sash exca?
shadow wind
I heard somewhere that a Milotic might help?
foggy lodge
Yes but it's left in sash tytar lives on an inch and now everything is in range of basculegion
Its not my team bro
Its the team that won the VR
shadow wind
Or maybe a Kommo o?
spiral ridge
Yes but it's left in sash tytar lives on an inch and now everything is in range ...
Oh sash is on ttar wtf
shadow wind
Nah I know I’m just playing
spiral ridge
If it was scarf basc sash exca you could just double wave crash rock slide and should live
shadow wind
Oh sash is on ttar wtf
Nah he’s saying he’s left on sash
Zard and chomp might both outspeed drill
spiral ridge
Well fuck
foggy lodge
Oh sash is on ttar wtf
No its exca
spiral ridge
Okay good to know I’ve been facing that like it always is 😭😭
I just had to delete weather lmfao
foggy lodge
The original paste had giga drain scovillain but i wasnt clicking it lmao so i just changed to leech seed
A lot better into archaludon and set up stuff
spiral ridge
Yes but it's left in sash tytar lives on an inch and now everything is in range ...
Exca ttar basc and then scovillain to redirect so you can get the basc?
wheat rapids
ttar really does have the clutch gene
shadow wind
Uh oh, seems like I have some competition
foggy lodge
Exca ttar basc and then scovillain to redirect so you can get the basc?
Ehhh maybe but
Idk it just feels so bad to have exca and tytar eat garchomp's eq for free
spiral ridge
It’s your best bet sneaslee corv doing diddle fart here
spiral ridge
Idk it just feels so bad to have exca and tytar eat garchomp's eq for free
Yeah but it leads to a good setup to get rest
Honestly if it’s aero in back you lose but if it’s gambit or floette you win
foggy lodge
Maybe you just have to kill zard y and have Corviknight in late game to win
spiral ridge
If they go this lead and aero basc in back you’re cooked 😭
spiral ridge
Maybe you just have to kill zard y and have Corviknight in late game to win
I just don’t see a way to passively get zard cus like
That dude can always leave lmfao
Honestly
Just look your opponent deep in their eyes and beg for mercy
Maybe they’ll be nice :D
chrome knot
I just don’t see a way to passively get zard cus like
honkshoo honkshoo
chrome knot
sure
spiral ridge
chrome knot
ew omg
wheat rapids
they used those fuckass wings for druddigon 🤦♂️
shadow wind
New elo peak🔥🔥
I decayed for 2 days then first game I gain 21 elo
Gg!
Never punished
Truly a guy is never punished
21 then 19 at this elo is like a gift from god
Nah cause 1880 and being 25th is crazy
winter fox
Damn someone tripped over the ethernet cord and unplugged it the Champions server room. I've been waiting on my opponent for five minutes.
waxen dock
Idk if 1800 eith 69 gxe is good or bad
shadow wind
Are using Milotic or still on corv
Trying Milotic out
shadow wind
Idk if 1800 eith 69 gxe is good or bad
Sorry that I use my account for testing
And who cares you don’t have to be so cynical all the time
I’ve actually never heard you say a single word of congratulations to anyone in this server
You just show up rage bait and disappear and lowkey I’m not a fan
cyan smelt
Conner what do you do against mega heracross, lowkey these bugs are a problem for my team
Seems like a pretty decent pokemon
shadow wind
Weather ball
cyan smelt
Rock blast skill link
chrome knot
You just show up rage bait and disappear and lowkey I’m not a fan
shows up with ego in hand
timber falcon
thank you showdown for the kinda match ups
waxen dock
Gz
shadow wind
thank you showdown for the kinda match ups
Hey wait I’m on the other end of that
But the ladder is popular still so at least I’m only getting 200 elo downpairings
cyan smelt
Ok i'm going to try mega meganium, hopefully it goes better than hydrapple lol
winter fox
Cybertron has unleashed a plague upon VGC
I never want to see Archaludon and Sableye ever again next format
cyan smelt
i wonder if i should use pangoro
but i already have gambit
oh shit pangoro gets hammer arm, that's perfect for tr
imagine hitting basculegion and archaludon with the hammer arm
also incins
shadow wind
Imagine getting OHKO’d by basc and arch easily 😭
shadow wind
Mega Lopunny
tiny karmaBOT
cyan smelt
doesn't work in tr
cyan smelt
slower than almost everything in tr
except for like golurk, torkoal etc, tr staples
quad resist for gambit is also nice
i wanna know how much a scrappy cc does to basc
it still doesn't have anything for scizor though
it just has 4mss
because you definitely want detect on it
wow i saw something gimmicky but hilarious, mega starmie and passimian with receiver, the starmie used self destruct and the passimian received huge power
some people run incin and gambit, could i run gambit and pangoro?
cyan smelt
also being able to hit sableye with the close combat would be so satisfying
shadow wind
And they can’t wisp you
cyan smelt
or encore you
or disable you
or any sableye things
conner have you seen this mega chesnaught whimsicott shit
timber falcon
But farig already helps w that
cyan smelt
yeah but kang can't hit sableye for se
timber falcon
Jst don’t mega immediately
cyan smelt
double edge is still pretty weak into sableye and low kick doesn't do enough into arch if it survives electro shot
cyan smelt
i mean i could run pangoro and gambit lol
sneasler food ik but i have tr
it would also feel good to hit the CC into froslass and sinistcha
and basc
i could do something with tr and pangoro and glowking and curious medicine and chilly reception
eh farig is strictly better than glowking
real prairie
cyan smelt
Lovely
tiny karmaBOT
timber falcon
congrats
cyan smelt
Vex should i use pangoro
sudden remnant
Vex should i use pangoro
ummm what does it do
sudden remnant
congrats
i earned that shit ive been working so hard
my team is a little strange but hey i got there
cyan smelt
ummm what does it do
Scrappy close combats into ghost types and arch
sudden remnant
sudden remnant
Scrappy close combats into ghost types and arch
so mega lopunny with worse typing
cyan smelt
Yeah but you don't need to waste a mega slot
tiny karmaBOT
cyan smelt
And you can't get intimidated off the bat
sudden remnant
yikes
these stats leave some things to be desired
good attack, and thats like it
cyan smelt
Once tr is up it can sweep trust
sudden remnant
hp is good, but not good enough for the defensive stats
speed is very very hard tuned to tr
and nothing else to speak of
cyan smelt
It's tempting to fire off hammer arms or close combats in tr
cyan smelt
Because i want to be able to hit those pesky ghosts and there's a lot of them
cyan smelt
Also sableye can't wisp or disable pangoro
sudden remnant
cyan smelt
I want to just fire off a cc into sableye, it'd be so satisfying
tiny karmaBOT
cyan smelt
Hisuian decidueye would also work in tr
tiny karmaBOT
pearl wind
h-decidueye is fun to use
sudden remnant
why does it have 95 special attack
cyan smelt
Scope lens hisuian decidueye sounds fun
pearl wind
triple arrows/leaf blade/sucker punch/protect is what i used
sudden remnant
doesnt triple arrows already have an increased crit ratio
cyan smelt
Yes
sudden remnant
scope lens wont stack with it
cyan smelt
Oh damn
pearl wind
can go either min speed for TR or some investment for TW but if opponent also has TW its kinda iffy
pearl wind
scope lens wont stack with it
it does stack
sudden remnant
no
cyan smelt
I was thinking of doing tailroom
sudden remnant
moves with heightened crit ratio dont stack with scope lens
moves with flinch chances also dont stack with kings rock
pearl wind
moves with heightened crit ratio dont stack with scope lens
where did you get that info
cyan smelt
Need to ask dawob about this
sudden remnant
i ran into this guy with kings rock maushold toxic thread ariados milotic and zard y
unfortunately for them i had an answer to all 4 of these pokemon
cyan smelt
Inner focus umbreon?
sudden remnant
i dont have the umbreon on the team anymore
trust me i miss it every goddamn match
cyan smelt
That is a fast team
sudden remnant
hm?
cyan smelt
Your team
cyan smelt
I feel like more people are gonna use ariados now it won the gc
sudden remnant
it did not work out for the guy i fought with it
delphox hollow purpled the poor spider
cyan smelt
Delphox is really good
sudden remnant
someone should fr make a meme of mega delphox doing the gojo hollow purple
sudden remnant
Delphox is really good
possibly one of the best megas in the game
great typing, defensive ability, amazing stats
cyan smelt
Surprised you're not eqing next to it
sudden remnant
Surprised you're not eqing next to it
im not a garchomp fan
what other eq mons are worth talking about
sudden remnant
what else
cyan smelt
That's all i can think of
sudden remnant
exactly 😔
excadrill is a no cuz id then have 3 mons weak to fire
meow is my mascot pokemon and tsareena is my offensive farigiraf
isnt there a way to check in game what mons learn eq
solid frigate
G a r c h o m p
sudden remnant
im not a garchomp fan
😐
solid frigate
Bruh
Then just run Rock Slide Excadrill against Zard Y
Unless you aren’t playing Sand
sudden remnant
im not
my team is weatherless
mudsdale 😄
doesnt gyarados learn eq
gyarados is an option
aggron learns eq
and isnt weak to fire
but is unfortunately weak to water
lum berry aggron
cyan smelt
Mudsdale needs tr
sudden remnant
ofc this guy rolls speed with his moody
cyan smelt
I feel like they wait til they roll a favourable moody boost then mega
sudden remnant
isnt that what they should do?
sudden remnant
ofc i miss triple axel the one tome i simply cannot afford to
its fine tho they double miss rock slide
why the fuck do they have scale shot
what
ofc i never get the double protect when i need it
but my opponents get triple protects no problem
cyan smelt
Yeah scale shot chomp is new
sudden remnant
sitrus garchomp lmao
cyan smelt
At least it's not scarf chomp
cyan smelt
Scarf basc is really easy to sucker punch
sudden remnant
with what pokemon
cyan smelt
Gambit
sudden remnant
i dont have sucker punch on anyone bruh
and why the fuck would i ever use that cringe piece of shit
cyan smelt
Gambit is awesome though
sudden remnant
cringe
sudden remnant
meowscarada rules. umbreon rules. cringegambit is cringe
cyan smelt
Mmm yes i love my dark type getting one shot by most things
sudden remnant
umbreon wants a word
cyan smelt
Meowscarada i meant
cyan smelt
I don't actually hate meowscarada or umbreon
Wait why do you have meowscarada and tsareena
cyan smelt
I still want to use pangoro
Wait lowkey would hisuian decidueye be good against blastoise
sudden remnant
id imagine so
sudden remnant
lmao
cyan smelt
Shell smash torterra would be funny
sudden remnant
i just fought a torterra mega camerupt cofagrigus tr team
unfortunately for them, araquanid solo’d their entire team
tiny karmaBOT
cyan smelt
And an annoying ability
cyan smelt
Did it turn ur ability to mummy
sudden remnant
yes
cyan smelt
Annoying
sudden remnant
which didnt matter cuz i had leech life for the torterra anyways
cyan smelt
Did the torterra shell smash
sudden remnant
no
it high horsepowered my sneasler and then double protected cuz my araquanid was slower than it
cyan smelt
I kinda want to use torterra, it could bullet seed those pelippers then keep headlong rushing arch
sudden remnant
cyan smelt
Or maybe it could rock blast peli
sudden remnant
smack down 
cyan smelt
Wanna mirror the shell smash blastoises with shell smash torterra
How i check moves
Shell smash headlong rush wood hammer protect
sudden remnant
yikes
cyan smelt
Shell smash bullet seed high horsepower
dark sorrel
meowscarada rules. umbreon rules. cringegambit is cringe
I just switched to using meowscarada over kingambit. Going well so far
sudden remnant
I just switched to using meowscarada over kingambit. Going well so far
HELL YEAHHHHHHHH
cyan smelt
Meowscarada is good against chomp
sudden remnant
and aero
cyan smelt
Wait does tsareena or meow have triple axel on ur team
sudden remnant
both do
cyan smelt
Do u have brick break on meow for incins and gambits
cyan smelt
Meow has a crazy movepool
sudden remnant
this guy had pure sand with mega ttar glimmora aurorus lycanroc and ofc incinicringe
cyan smelt
I played against a full ice team
sudden remnant
and they forfeit after i one shot everything except glimmora completely ignoring it
they thought reflect would save them lmao
cyan smelt
Lol that aurorus didn't know what hit it with the brick break
cyan smelt
Goodbye ttar
sudden remnant
the ttar folded to sneasler cc
i wanted to trop kick it but i didnt get the chance
cuz it was already dead
i had low kick on tsareena but it wasnt necessary with meow brick break sneasler cc and gardevoir aura sphere
cyan smelt
U rly don't like dark types
lavish frost
Just fought someone rated 2290 on cart with some weird bulky sneasler spread lmao
+2 volc heat wave did like 70
I legitimately thought I was winning until the sneasler tanked the heat wave
It was at 80ish hp before I heat waved into it lol
indigo coral
Whirlpool Perish Song Azumarill my beloved
polar canyon
I never liked perish strats but maybe I'm not that above them looking back at how I play
Playing fire spin leech seed like a 5 turn perish song
cyan smelt
I want to use pangoro + farig but idk who else
polar canyon
Why pangoro