#competitive_discussion

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timber falcon
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if it helps why not try it out

next dust
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They speed tie

timber falcon
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cant hurt to give it a go

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But not many are running aero mega

cyan smelt
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i remember testing out swords dance coaching kingambit on showdown and the thing hit like a truck

timber falcon
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mega aero usage is has risen quite quickly

next dust
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Sneasler is too big a threat to safely run mega aero

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Without sash it's an ohko

timber falcon
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sneasler never OHKOs mega aero does it?

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timber falcon
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its not that frail once it megas

cyan smelt
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doesn't aero always outspeed anyway

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sneasler needs the white herb boost to activate unburden

timber falcon
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32+ Atk Sneasler Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Aerodactyl-Mega: 129-153 (83.2 - 98.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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mega aero a genuine threat

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2hko without boost

timber falcon
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by then sneasler just dies tho

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and aero is a gust of wind away from following it

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spread move and cc wipes mega aero

cyan smelt
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i really need to test coaching sneasler again, it might help me with these coil milotics

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another great matchup for pikachu

timber falcon
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which is its purpose

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thats fine

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whimsicot sets tw faster

cyan smelt
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glass cannon

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sticks around a bit longer

timber falcon
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but does whim OHKO sneasler

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and doesnt waste your mega slot

timber falcon
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why would i need it to i run delphox

cyan smelt
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does whims have wide guard

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psychic ohko sneasler

timber falcon
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does mega aero OHKO delphox

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not while its setting tw.

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which again it gets beaten out by whimsi

timber falcon
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true whim is the fastest tw setter of em all

next dust
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hell even whimsi tsareena removes that threat combo

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no fake out garunteed tailwind and you can hope on triple axel

timber falcon
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double grass lead in this ecomony though?

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tsareena literally nukes half the format

cyan smelt
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i don't think anyone would ever run whims and tsareena

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i do?

cyan smelt
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tsareena is most often on rain teams

timber falcon
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whims tsareena sableye m. gengar primarina sneasler/toxicroak

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sometimes i swap tsar for a9

timber falcon
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do you have a paste?

next dust
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lemme find my laptop

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here

timber falcon
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ooo perish trap

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looks solid tbh cant say much cause idk how ro run it

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perish has been my default for a long time haha

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the only thing on here i might think about swapping is the prima

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i just never really need to bring her

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but dont really have an option i like to swap her with and still retain a second singer

cyan smelt
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politoed? also gives you weather control

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with so many milotic i dont want incin in there but def would like a throat chop user

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which is why toxicroak sometimes replaces sneasler

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that damn cat never wants to sit still.

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timber falcon
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is it just me or are more people running hard tr teams

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atp im just running imprison farig

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nah def more

timber falcon
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I wish they allowed us to lower speed IVS

cyan smelt
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ursaluna, kingambit and iron hands in ruins

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like it can extend perish sure

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but its no star of the show

timber falcon
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Questionable choice of lead from your opponent tho

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Maybe they forgot about shadow tag?

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yeah the aero sinistcha lead would have done them better

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at least given them tailwind and an option

clever root
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Tryna think of my final mon, maybe hydreigon?

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Or a ghost

cyan smelt
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Scarf basc?

clever root
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Good ol scarf basc, nothin beats that!

cyan smelt
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With farig you can flip turn or wave crash without having to worry about sucker

timber falcon
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scarf basc looks good

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somehow despite making in around 3 minutes im climbing the ladder with this team

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in the end i went for the more niche stalwart tho, won me 3 games against scovillain and sinistcha. And without bodypress staminas value isnt as high for me

cyan smelt
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Showdown has some real wacky teams

timber falcon
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yh i just beat heracross + blastoise?

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no rain and they mega the blastoise

cyan smelt
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Heracross is just ursaluna at home

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Oh wait mega heracross has skill link

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What does it even get, rock blast and pin missile

timber falcon
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they used pin missle tbf

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Then hit me with a last resort kangaskhan 😭

cyan smelt
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Fake out last resort kang is just memes

timber falcon
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I don’t really being in primarina I’ve noticed. Not once have I ever pressed calm mind

cyan smelt
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Meta feels kinda hostile for prim

clever root
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I tried bascu, it just feels off

timber falcon
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That’s what I thought, but I’m having good neutral or straight up positive MUs cause of its typing

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Sneasler is a bit scary but I’ve got scarf peli

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And Venasaur

timber falcon
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Also what’s the goal of ur team

clever root
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Win

timber falcon
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Win how

clever root
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Nah but in reality either use fastmode glimmora, or slowmode fatboy chesnaught

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clever root
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Its one bp slower than garchomp which bums

timber falcon
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I feel like

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Getting chestnaught and glimmero to work on the same team is gonna be a real challenge

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Sure you have 2 modes in mind. But I’m not seeing the synergy

clever root
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Yeah true, i may drop chesnaught for now n try n force more of a glimmora core as i love the mega

timber falcon
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I think that’d be better for now

cyan smelt
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Should i play more firered or hop on champions and try coaching sneasler

clever root
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Atm my main core is incine, aero and glimm, so i'm heavily weak to water and ground, might pick up some redirection like the mouse or clef, then also a setup mon like kommo-o

timber falcon
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Reminded me to beat it. I did a nuzlocke and lost at the first elite 4

clever root
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Aero feels like the best offensive tailwinder, talonflame blows up too quickly i feel

cyan smelt
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I mean people have run whims and farig together before

clever root
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I could add farig and a torkoal onto the team and run a sun tr team with glimm aero as an optional fast mode

cyan smelt
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You know what might help you, blastoise and sinistcha

timber falcon
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Would glimmera be better in tw or tr in this meta?

clever root
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Its in a rly odd tier, at 101 speed

cyan smelt
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I feel like i've seen it on neither

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Isn't it usually on balance

clever root
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I think so

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Its difficult but my ass is tryna make it work

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Im seeing glimm often put on with ninetales-A, ig because ninetales hard counters glimms biggest fear being garchomp

pearl wind
clever root
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I might run it next to scarf alolatales with blizzard, icy wind, moonblast and extrasensory

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extrasens oneshots sneasler that have 0 bulk

timber falcon
violet parcel
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lol had a match that the trainer used perish mega gengar

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but got scared and recalled it haha

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cause i has a mega ttar

cerulean nacelle
real prairie
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Team I'm using for GC

cerulean nacelle
real prairie
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Air fryer is an air fryer lol

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Almost called him Ninja lol

cerulean nacelle
cerulean nacelle
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Honestly better than most nicknames for rotom heat on showdown.

real prairie
cerulean nacelle
real prairie
cerulean nacelle
real prairie
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Haha giving it brand names >>>

cerulean nacelle
real prairie
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Would call a wash Rotom "Fairy" myself lol

cerulean nacelle
real prairie
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Or LG

lost sun
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does leftovers washtom act like calgon

cerulean nacelle
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That washing machine does live longer lol

real prairie
cerulean nacelle
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Also can we just acknowledge that these "leftovers" should not last forever like they do.

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I get the idea is it's multiple leftovers, but the picture is just an apple core.

That shit ain't lasting that long.

violet parcel
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love how easy it is to read a team with a pelipper, dragonite and archaludon in it haha

dark sorrel
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I don't think this rain team can cut it anymore

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I know it's also a skill issue, but drizzle, wid guard and tailwind feel like too much for Pelipper

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It has to be constantly switched in and out to reset rain, so it takes a lot of chip damage

violet parcel
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yeah

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i stopped using the rain team once i hit masterball

timber falcon
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I’m jealous

timber falcon
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I’ve done it for my farig which lessens the burden for my peli

real prairie
violet parcel
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idk why

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but bellibolt is working for me right now haha

real prairie
keen quiver
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making a team with castform cause why not

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actually imma wait till it get buffs on it sp atk

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real prairie
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moldbreaker scarf excadrill is causing me so much pain atm

keen quiver
violet parcel
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i paired it with sinischa

chrome knot
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hi im sinistcha

violet parcel
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life dew keeps both alive

keen quiver
violet parcel
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i was thinking of swapping out tyranitar but it sjust too good when it comes to weather battles

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and when i fail to put up trick room

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so im gonna need to take out either sylveon or torkoal

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and put in garchomp

keen quiver
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hmm whats a good item for empoleon.

keen quiver
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bruh the moment i hopped on za to get a gardevoir in a love ball
A shiny weedle and a shiny beedrill were in the SAME SPOT of me catching a ralt.

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great now i gotta wait till they buffed mega beedrill to use that shiny beedrill

dark sorrel
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the game is taunting me

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clever root
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Got 4/6, stuck on the last 2 tho

keen quiver
clever root
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Bro i'm tryna use it so badly

keen quiver
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peak adaptability

clever root
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I do not care for what they call "meta" i will find the gem among us

keen quiver
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its actually a really good adaptability mega

clever root
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The temptantion to readd mega chesnaught or crab again

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They are like the green goblin masks talking to me

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I will add them and then lose every match and wonder why

keen quiver
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wow. empoleon is REALLY nice in this game

clever root
leaden fox
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Does this team look nasty? šŸ¤”

clever root
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Current update - decidueye sucks doo doo

chrome knot
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think anyone coulda told u that

molten oasis
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It’s quite bad

leaden fox
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Yeah, Decidueye isn't all that great atm šŸ™
Too many counters for a low-ish powered mon

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And with Aerodactyl rampant, that doesn't help xP

timber falcon
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And never returns

clever root
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tryna think of a good replacement for it, probably a fighting type

pearl wind
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i actually like h-decidueye

clever root
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hell i could use gallade

bold geode
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The ever so loving Sneasler in my pocket

clever root
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i dont LIKE the sneasler in your pocket

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I will eat it

bold geode
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Good eat mine and then find you one to slap on that team

clever root
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mmm what if passimian

leaden fox
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It's a shame there isn't too many good fighting types in-game atm; hopefully will change

clever root
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paldean tauros goes brrr

mental mason
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Slowly working my way through Master Ball 3. I get excited and tilt when I win and I get upset and tilt when I lose, so been playing in small chunks. Nothing major but both effect how I play lol.

clever root
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ye current meta is seeming to make archaludon a raid boss ini

keen quiver
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ooo female basculegion

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I love seeing people try the special attacker version

mighty stump
clever root
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the hungry fish

keen quiver
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man who TF DOES EMPOLEON NOT HAVE SCALD

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GIVE IT SCALD GOD DAMN IT

clever root
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give it back to politoed he is currently broke

keen quiver
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yea no chilling water is Enough

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muddy water too

clever root
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if pelipper can get hurricane

lavish frost
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I prob already ranted in DMs to a friend at least 3 times about empoleon having no clickable water stab lol

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even water pledge is gone lol

clever root
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wdym it can water pulse right

keen quiver
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imagine they buff telepathy to always Dodge the enemies Multi hit moves alongside not taking damage from teammates

clever root
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surely thats enough 😭

keen quiver
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water pulse is only good for Mega launcher specifically

clever root
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oh ik im beiung sarcastic

lavish frost
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my latest rant abt it a few days ago

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lol

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timber falcon
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Could always go water pulse

keen quiver
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lmao bellibolt is actually cracked as shit 😭

foggy lodge
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it sucks ngl some really interesting things could come up with them

foggy lodge
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Cuz he has weather ball and it deals more damage than scald

lavish frost
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"the starters lost their pledge moves"

winter fox
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Do you guys run Max HP and Max Sp.Def on your Milotic or Max Def Max Sp.Def with a small HP investment?

clever root
keen quiver
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i genuinely just forfeit the moment a person dodges heatwave
like at this point that move gotta be undodgable during sunlight

zinc fjord
leaden fox
timber falcon
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considering modes for my kangaskhan team. Which one seems best?

timber falcon
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is it weird if in some games i opt out of bringing a mega evo?

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ive had the mindset that i should always bring one, but i realise i hadnt for this game

dense latch
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i regret not trying csr zama earlier

cerulean nacelle
polar canyon
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Incredible things are happening

cerulean nacelle
timber falcon
bronze quarry
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Anyone know when the new regulation is out? Haven’t logged in for a bit

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bold geode
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Chat how we doing so far in the GC

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chrome knot
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rustic mountain
rustic mountain
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glad u see the light

dense latch
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i stopped bo1 ladder after t100 bc there's like 5 people total rn

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gonna test with some friends bc i think this might be it

rustic mountain
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erik yday: how did u even play this?
erik today: how did i not play this

foggy lodge
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which zama csr variant are you using

dense latch
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mdb

rustic mountain
foggy lodge
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the tera ghost av pao?

dense latch
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yea

foggy lodge
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That one had rockpon right?

dense latch
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yea this is the rockpon one

foggy lodge
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Yeah rockpon over raging bolt

dense latch
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but i might try montana's version later

rustic mountain
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continued reg i talk harold

dense latch
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idk how im gonna get a zama or a bolt but we move

rustic mountain
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u didnt have swsh? or had sword?

dense latch
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had sword

foggy lodge
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I can give you mine dw

rustic mountain
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mak comin in clutch

dense latch
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i was playing during the shiny zama event but i traded it for a zacian bc i thought i'd use it more in comp

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the irony šŸ™ƒ

dense latch
rustic mountain
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yea hard to have the foresight after its run in swsh that zama would b better the next gen

dense latch
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i still have a few weeks to keep testing but so far the team has felt really consistent and the leads feel comfortable

rustic mountain
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few weeks? wen tf is this event

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they really stretching sv in the circuit to its absolute max hahaha

dense latch
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22nd?

rustic mountain
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damn near june lmao

dense latch
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im pretty sure it's the last sv major

rustic mountain
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makes sense gta pivot to champions sooner rather then later

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just funny how the main circuit is sv atm but the comp game is champions

foggy lodge
inland loom
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Are there any slow megas from za that aren’t in the game rn?

foggy lodge
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kinda sucks cuz it even went under the radar that the guy who won prague was a senior player

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I mean he is a masters now but its his first season in masters lol

inland loom
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I’m trying to go all in into trick room now lol. Never did trick room until recently

winter fox
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Pokemon Champions can do something really funny to Zama

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Get rid of its only viability via Body Press

dense latch
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it already suffered through that in gen 8

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let bro have his fun

foggy lodge
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Idt they would backpedal on that decision considering we already have the data that zama without body press is top 3 worst legendaries of all times

winter fox
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I wouldn't hold it against them. They have done some questionable things regarding balance in the meta game.

waxen dock
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yeah

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they play phase 2 r9 swiss round in d1

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so they have 1 less round in d2

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which mean the regional is shorter

foggy lodge
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what

waxen dock
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yeah

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in europe they have r9 swiss which is part of phase 2(d2) in d1

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so the prague stream was shorter

timber falcon
bold geode
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And I'm enjoying Mega Scovillain LOL

shadow wind
lyric sorrel
keen quiver
rustic mountain
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u doin solo scovillian or dual mega

bold geode
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Using Davide Fazio's team

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From the GCF

shadow wind
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That’s the Kommo o one right?

bold geode
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Placement #121 at the end
Rating 1613
12-3 to end Day 1

shadow wind
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W

bold geode
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Could've gone 13-2 but I made a fuck up so

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Scovillain crazy

orchid gust
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im new to champions and pokemon in general whats a good mega that can setup that is already in champions and i dont need another game for

winter fox
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Charizard Y

orchid gust
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rly?

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ive been hearing gengar and like frolass but ion rly like frolass

bold geode
winter fox
# orchid gust rly?

The game gives you a free team first play. So build your team around that.

bold geode
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Delphox is also good

orchid gust
tired echo
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Does anyone know why there are a lot of mons that I caught bck in sw/sh and transferred to home that arent able to transfer to champs? Im just talking about legal mons, of course I Know some cant make it. I can show a pic if its llowed in this channel
it says one or more pokemon selected have been selected that cant visit pokemon champions
even though they are legal mons
they dont have the crossed out circle on them

orchid gust
bold geode
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A set up guy?

orchid gust
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yh

bold geode
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
So Froslass and Delphox have Nasty Plot but idk about that

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Your best bet then is like
Charizard X or Mega Gyarados

winter fox
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Yeah

orchid gust
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im guessing dragon dance

bold geode
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Yeah

orchid gust
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alr ima do some testing

tired echo
bold geode
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

tired echo
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Im the ot, caught in sword

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with a graet ball

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Its super weird. anything Ive transferred recently I can move to champions, but stuff that had been there a while I cant

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Has anyone else had any sort of similar problem?

bold geode
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Imma be real I have no clue

tired echo
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ya its super weird

bold geode
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I can't find anything about it either via Google

tired echo
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like if I catch a tsareena in sword and put it in home I will probably be able to move it to shamps

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but the one thats already there wont go

bold geode
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Yeah I really can't tell ya

tired echo
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its so wierd

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fuck now I need to go catch another tsareena

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should I go to sword or viloet?

bold geode
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Try Violet

tired echo
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Casseroya Lake?

bold geode
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Idk where they set up crib at

tired echo
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so I already had a tsareena in my violet box, I transferred it to home and then to champ no problem

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its so weird that I couldnt transfer the other one since it came from the same place

timber falcon
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wait has the GC started

tired echo
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ta

timber falcon
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yh i thought it started on the 4th

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i keep missing these thanks for the confirmation

waxen dock
timber falcon
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luckily enough i did so like 6 hours ago just incase

cyan smelt
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Think I might practice with coaching sneasler for a bit on casuals then enter

waxen dock
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Also

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Why tf i cant see gcs in home anymore

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I want to see my plavement eithout looking at my.phone every time

mighty stump
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Some of you guys need this @bold geode

shadow wind
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Wait

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I just realized

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I live near a city, there’s probably locals near me now

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What a revelation

cyan smelt
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In adelaide? Press x to doubt

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Sorry for adelaide shade

inland loom
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Are there size differences in champions?

pearl wind
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yes

inland loom
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Hell yeah

teal cairn
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https://pokepast.es/4b082bbd8852e835
My first attempt at creating a team. Most of the EVs are just a guess and are probably incorrectly placed, so I would like advice in that. Also id like to know if I should remove or add another PokƩmon. The moves are also another guess, I dont know all the moves in the game so idk if I chose the correct ones.
I know mega excadrill is not optimal but I want to use him so he cant be removed

cyan smelt
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I think you've got a strong weakness to rain, and having talonflame in sand is counter intuitive as it breaks sash and negates gale wings, kommo-o ideally wants redirection to help it set up and so it doesn't take fairy type attacks, incin definitely does not want flamethrower, it wants flare blitz, you also have a strong weakness to fighting, not sure who i'd replace given you want to use mega excadrill but usually garchomp is on sand to deal with sneasler and other fighting types

real prairie
cyan smelt
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My fav dragon type pikachu

real prairie
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Without changing the team, what's my best line into excadrill?

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Its always causing me issues

shadow wind
cyan smelt
real prairie
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I tested low kick but it just didn't help much

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Surprising sneasler and killing it quickly is a huge win factor for the team

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Maybe whims + tsareena lead and u turn + beat up into self proct stamina is the best idea for excadrill

cyan smelt
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Wisp with rotom then volt switch out into rain?

old jay
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Does anyone have mega meganium team theyd suggest?

teal cairn
teal cairn
cyan smelt
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Yeah but there's still the problem with rain, chomp takes neutral from basc and peli

teal cairn
cyan smelt
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Wash rotom is good, replace kommo-o

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Gives you something to eq next to with excadrill too

real prairie
cyan smelt
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Oh right i forgot that's a thing

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Wait does mold breaker ignore stamina

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It does not, so beat up whims is probably the best

real prairie
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I couldn't buy a win today if i tried, between tsareena insisting she can only hit 1 of 3 triple axels or mega alakazams hitting focus blasts

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gone from 2100 to 1920

chrome knot
real prairie
chrome knot
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u need him

real prairie
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not sure i do with the amount of gambit around

chrome knot
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you know who else is around that checks gambit

real prairie
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so go back to balance that i wasn't enjoying lol

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2nd game of GC and the cheese is real...

lum berry unburden sneasler + swagger sableye

violet parcel
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finally hit masterball

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bellibolt carried

real prairie
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GG

timber falcon
bold geode
bold geode
waxen dock
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i made a gc report

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what im using in the gc

dapper musk
waxen dock
dapper musk
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What’s gc?

dapper musk
waxen dock
dapper musk
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Group chat?

waxen dock
dapper musk
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???

cerulean nacelle
bold geode
bold geode
cerulean nacelle
rustic mountain
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šŸ«‘ šŸŒ¶ļø

cerulean nacelle
bold geode
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Honestly it barely has a Floette MU KEKW

indigo coral
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I suppose your Floette out is Sand Rush Iron Head? That's so easy to play around if you're the Floette though

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Also the random Windows install message in another language in the team post is extremely based

rustic mountain
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scov also takes resisted damage from its stab

foggy lodge
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the gambit needed to be iron head on that team for the floette MU

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Its not terrible but you can still lose to it

bold geode
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Yeah
I do like this team though

stuck perch
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My first battle on global challenge competition I got cooked šŸ˜‚šŸ˜­

leaden fox
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I actually forgot GC started today šŸ˜…

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But I know it unfortunately doesn't give out any CP šŸ™

jade dust
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What is a good 2nd mega for Floette?

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That uses similar teammates

stuck perch
chrome knot
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championship pts

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for the irl circuit

stuck perch
jade dust
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Help me find a 2nd mega for Floette pls

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Or should I run Floette only as mega?

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The issue is I feel forced to bring her every game I play

chrome knot
winter fox
#

Using the mega crab team finally

dense latch
#

zard y beats or has a better time into most of what floette struggles against

keen quiver
winter fox
jade dust
winter fox
dense latch
#

you dont have to follow it exactly but maybe drop incin for zard?

jade dust
dense latch
#

yea you can do that for sure

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based on the evs im assuming it's calm mind floette

jade dust
#

Yes

dense latch
#

i think if u do try out zard floette maybe it's better to go full offense 3 attacks on it or find a different second mega

jade dust
#

I was considering mega blastoise too

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Instead of Milotic

dense latch
#

but i think you'd be fine without the double mega floette's a beast

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unless you do feel like you need it

jade dust
#

I’m at Master 2

#

I’m struggling to reach champions lol

dense latch
#

this one did really well in the champions festival tour too

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it's your team but zard over milotic

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i'd look at this as a template and make item/move adjustments to your liking

jade dust
#

Double fire type

keen quiver
#

its so funny seeing people trying to deal with a Bellibolt
im fucking crying 😭

dense latch
jade dust
dense latch
#

zard is gonna be nice for that

jade dust
#

I have 0 fairy resists

#

I was considering mega scizors too

dense latch
#

i've used that duo

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it's nice so long as you have answers to bulky steel types

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the one i was testing got fully walled out by bulk up corv

pearl wind
#

started 0-3 but finished my games today with a 7 win streak, feels good RSitHappy

teal cairn
shadow wind
#

We love Corv the MU maker

pearl wind
bold geode
viscid garnet
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I’ve never used mega Hawlucha before so i thought it’d be fun to try

outer heron
#

Can someone help me complete the mission to play on private?
7593-3887

solid frigate
viscid garnet
#

Before i say something that’s unproductive what are you suggesting

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Just curious

solid frigate
# viscid garnet Before i say something that’s unproductive what are you suggesting

Pikachu is fine,it’s mostly a Supportive mon

No Fighting Stab Hawlucha?

Goodra I’ll close my eye on this one since I have nothing to actually point at cuz I haven’t use one in Champs

Special Attacker+Supportive Dragonite without Mega Limits it’s potential

Palafin without Close Combat is interesting and the EVs don’t help on it since you ran full bulk on a scarf set

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That’s just the minor stuff that you can change it instantly

The PokƩmon choice doesnt really help the current meta when you are trying to make Mega Hawlucha work

viscid garnet
#

Yeah no i understand the pokemon choice isnt good in the meta

shadow wind
viscid garnet
#

Especially trying to make Hawlucha work

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If i were to keep at least Pika, Meganium, and Hawlucha, what would you recommend for the party

solid frigate
viscid garnet
#

Like pokemon choice wise

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Or if I’m keeping everyone, what sets would you reccommend

solid frigate
#

Ill make two versions of the team and explain

#

One second

viscid garnet
#

Okie

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Take your time

timber falcon
#

Just lost to a t1 double flinch with rock slide

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Sometimes I can’t with this game

solid frigate
viscid garnet
#

My first team has been my best

solid frigate
# viscid garnet Right, i def understand that given the teams i’ve used up til now

https://pokepast.es/dd6ddbd9e1037acb

EVs are slightly adjustable depends on people's opinion but this is a rough draft on a backbone core here (Similar core to my Mega Zard X team)

Corviknight and milotic should be tanky enough to live one electro shot,here is the reasoning why i use it

Corviknight is a solid tailwind setter currently while also not bad at dealing with Eternal Floette
Milotic is here to stop setups/stat drops with Haze and act as a speed control.
Scarf Garchomp is enough to stop mega Zard Y and should outspeed most meta threats like Aerodactyl

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here's the type matchup chart

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The only thing you have to beware is Mega Froslass since your team is weak to ice

viscid garnet
#

This set is not bad at all

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I will say the main thing i’ve done with my own team comps have been not to use the overused, if you get what i mean.

viscid garnet
#

I guess? Lol

timber falcon
#

But it’s always good to have a good meta core on the team

solid frigate
#

If you want to build an Anti Meta then you have to really use a Meta core to support it

Since a good core could make them work if you can justify the anti meta pick

bold geode
solid frigate
#

Lmfao

bold geode
timber falcon
#

Wait

timber falcon
bold geode
#

Ive been one for months now LOL

timber falcon
#

I’m proud of you

bold geode
#

Thank you

solid frigate
#

Wait there’s still people don’t know about that?

keen quiver
#

the amount of Bodies this thing gets

viscid garnet
#

And it worked really well, but i was trying something different i suppose

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The only weakness i had was against Zard Y

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Palafin outsped EVERYTHING

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And the team had the bulk and power, and tailwind Nite helped with speed control

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Zard Y was an issue only due to me not having weather control

solid frigate
#

its just special set dnite without mega is just not that good and more of a liability

viscid garnet
#

Right

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I realized that the more i used it

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This pika set has been really nice to use i will say

solid frigate
#

I still have to grind towards Champion tier cuz I have like a 1-2 week break on VGC

finite vine
#

FINALLYYYY

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And with my own team, YIPEEEE

shadow wind
dry nexus
#

I got a 6-win streak with this stupid team lmao

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I have never pressed the aurora veil button yet so might as well change it to thunderbolt

timber falcon
#

With champions out I’m putting more time in

timber falcon
cyan smelt
#

it's no worse than king's rock pop bomb lol

tired echo
#

am I the only one that feels like Tinkato has been underestimated this season?

bold geode
spiral ridge
#

bros a jealous gf

tired echo
#

it seems like a better sylveon to me

tiny karmaBOT
dry nexus
#

tinkaton has low attack

timber falcon
#

Horrendous attack

dry nexus
#

gigaton hammer was its only saving grace

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and without tera its only gotten weaker

timber falcon
#

I can see a niche feint , fake out set working

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But it doesn’t seem worth it in this meta

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It’s like a sitting duck against mons like garchomp, basc ect

tired echo
#

I guess I didnt relize its atk was so bad

dry nexus
#

not giving my whimsicott any attacking move almost lost me a game lmao

river sparrow
#

what site can i find online champions tourneys?

shadow wind
cyan smelt
#

You know what would be funny, skill swapping huge power onto tinkaton, all of a sudden 150 attack gigaton hammer

timber falcon
#

Did they buff flinch in champions

dry nexus
#

it truly is the "everything is a 50/50 chance" with this game

cyan smelt
#

Still wondering if i should replace protect on sneasler with coaching

shadow wind
timber falcon
#

Mega aerodatyl shenanigans

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I swear I’m being flinched like 70%

cyan smelt
#

Is it double rock slide

timber falcon
#

For both turns I was flinched after 2 rock slides

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On both mons

cyan smelt
#

Just bad rng

#

Rock slide can also miss

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
#

Actually they nerfed flinch chances on a lot of moves

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
#

Ok well the bot is outdated

#

Iron head is 20 now

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Also this is why I love Ttar

cyan smelt
#

What does it say in showdown for rock slide flinch

shadow wind
#

30 still

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252+ SpA Fairy Aura Floette-Mega Light of Ruin vs. 96 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar-Mega in Sand with an ally's Friend Guard: 171-202 (91.4 - 108%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

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Wowie

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Yo I love this guy

cyan smelt
#

Ttar just doesn't die

shadow wind
#

That dude is awesome

cyan smelt
#

top 3 megas

shadow wind
#

Welllll

#

Top 3 is a pretty hard group to crack right now

jade dust
#

Damn now I have to play 30 battles a day in Global Challenge? 15 was already a lot

bold geode
jade dust
#

I was hoping they would reduce it to 10 a day

#

Idk 15 is exhausting

cyan smelt
#

I haven't played yet, I need to play

jade dust
#

I just started my 3rd game lol

#

10% done

cyan smelt
#

I'm still unsure about whether I want to go coaching sneasler or not, Tofu said he's iffy about coaching Sneasler

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Also wondering if I put water damage reduction berry on Gliscor

waxen dock
#

do scarf basc run jolly or adamant?

molten oasis
waxen dock
#

i legit lost a game to a overheat miss

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and then getting flinched the same turn

cyan smelt
#

And freeze dry for milotics and water types

shadow wind
#

That freeze dry is doing like 30%

cyan smelt
#

Well I do not want to be clicking icy wind into it

foggy lodge
jade dust
shadow wind
#

Golurk gets headlong rush???

cyan smelt
#

Yep

shadow wind
#

Why was I not aware of this

cyan smelt
#

I only found it out when I had it used against me

#

Still hurts even through protect

shadow wind
#

And non mega Ttar just live mega Floette moonblast

#

Gg

#

That’s my goat

jade dust
#

Ok I went 17-3 today

#

I’m feeling good

#

How high do I need to reach to get championship points?

cyan smelt
#

No points for this gc i think

jade dust
#

Really?

#

That sucks smh

cyan smelt
#

They probably don't want to discourage new players

jade dust
cyan smelt
#

Maybe it's because there still might be bugs then

jade dust
#

Maybe, I’m surprised the game released with multiple bugs of moves and abilities that worked just fine in SV

shadow wind
#

I mean it was a whole new engine

#

Like they had to rebuild absolutely everything

#

And from the constant delays it seemed like they didn’t have enough development time

jade dust
#

The game has terrible frame rate which is not that big of a deal gameplay wise cuz the game is turn based

#

But aesthetically looks pretty bad

#

How the frames drop to like 10 fps

cyan smelt
#

the video games are not a priority

shadow wind
#

Exactly

#

They make so much more money from other stuff the games are just an ip they own

#

Jeez perish trap will always be stressful to play against

cyan smelt
#

yeah, even before the game starts there's the mindgame of how long do i have to ko their mons

shadow wind
#

Also why does the showdown ladder seem so inflated?

#

1900s???

cyan smelt
#

wtf that's crazy

#

ig some people don't have champions lmao

shadow wind
#

Holy watch party

cyan smelt
#

i swear there always is for your games

shadow wind
#

Jeez like 1700 is not even top 300

shadow wind
cyan smelt
#

it's because you always have interesting and unique teams

shadow wind
#

Also to be fair any game where both people have spectators on and are higher than 1500 is like seeing an albino rhino

cyan smelt
#

i'm gonna put spectators on when i get the courage to ladder on showdown again

#

i'm 1400s currently

shadow wind
#

I always play with spectators on

#

I like the atmosphere

#

Also this game was pretty stupid

#

Lowkey both of us played bad

cyan smelt
#

woah mega meganium on sand, i usually see it on rain

#

holy shit that live on 1hp

shadow wind
#

Volcarona my beloved

cyan smelt
#

will never understand why people eq their own mons

shadow wind
#

Lowkey should’ve brought clef there instead of Volc

shadow wind
cyan smelt
#

it's like preserving mons is an alien concept to some people

shadow wind
#

Singles players

#

No shade but usually it is them

#

Also when I missed that wisp I thought it was so wraps

cyan smelt
#

i play randbats and even in that i try to preserve mons

shadow wind
#

Ok I phrased it wrong, singles players that now play vgc

#

I see pokeaim do it all the time

#

It’s not that he doesn’t want to preserve his mons it’s just an outside the box way to play

cyan smelt
#

idk it just feels bad, a key switch can win you the game sometimes

shadow wind
#

100%

#

Or just protect

#

I don’t know why that guy just didn’t want his Gardevoir alive

#

Like if I iron head it turn 2 it’s just gg

cyan smelt
#

that garde was clearly the wincon

shadow wind
#

Cause single target gleam would’ve killed the chomp

#

Nah basc is ALWAYS the wincon

cyan smelt
#

i hate that dead fish

shadow wind
#

At least that’s how everyone that uses basc thinks

#

I hate Sneasler gambit and basc right now

#

It’s just a triangle of unfair mons

cyan smelt
#

i'm bout to start using kowtow on it more because i never know if they're going to go for a cheeky aqua jet

shadow wind
#

Not a bad idea

#

I either use all 8 or 0 when it comes to sucker punches

cyan smelt
#

i would like the option in champions to be able to see what moves you're clicking most

#

if they could add some pasrs functionality that'd be fire

shadow wind
#

That’d be cool yeah

cyan smelt
#

they already have the usage stats which is great

jade dust
#

They don’t start a new generation till the new game releases

cyan smelt
#

yeah but i'm saying that the games don't make them money

#

whether they function or play well is not a priority

jade dust
#

+20 millions copies sold per game isn’t their main money source?

cyan smelt
#

tcg and merch is

#

that's why vgc is always on the backburner

jade dust
#

Lol well isn’t the vgc finals the big event?

cyan smelt
#

nope, tcg gets way more participants and is way more popular

jade dust
#

Interesting

cyan smelt
#

i think it's at least 4x bigger

jade dust
#

Well at least with championships they made a step in the right direction balancing but made 100 steps back in other stuff

cyan smelt
#

eh it's fine so far for a free to start game

jade dust
#

The main issue is the limited items and Pokemon rn but that will improve

#

Just please don’t bring Z moves and Dynamax back to competitive play

#

I hated those mechanics specially dynamax

cyan smelt
#

well they already showed tera so i assume they're bringing back everything

jade dust
#

Keep megas and Tera

#

I still don’t like Tera that much tbh

cyan smelt
#

i hate tera

jade dust
#

It’s objectively the best competitive mechanic but I don’t like it

cyan smelt
#

oh you've got a good MU into something? wait suddenly you don't because they tera'd

jade dust
#

Cuz many mons are balanced by their bad typing. Shadow rider for example

cyan smelt
#

please never let csr and tera be legal in the same format ever again

jade dust
cyan smelt
#

imo tera overcompensates for bad teambuilding

jade dust
#

I agree

#

We don’t want Xerneas with Tera either

shadow wind
cyan smelt
#

primal groudon with grass tera, no thanks

shadow wind
#

Scariest Archaludon ever seen

jade dust
shadow wind
cyan smelt
#

people are using baton pass with arch now?

shadow wind
#

Well that guy was

jade dust
#

I believe that mega evolutions won’t be able to use Tera

#

Might be the same for primal

shadow wind
#

They have also baton passed into a floette

#

Pretty much a quiver danced floette

cyan smelt
#

yeah we definitely don't want xerneas being able to tera

jade dust
#

I think the game is in a way healthier state with mega evolutions

cyan smelt
#

there's a reason xerneas wasn't legal in gen 9

#

i prefer mega format because it feels less broken

jade dust
#

Champions made me realize how much I missed megas and how they are good for competitive play

shadow wind
#

If anyone was curious on the baton pass team/game

cyan smelt
#

i can get by with mega kang and it's still good

jade dust
#

While many megas are broken, they have a higher cost than tera or dynamax. You give up your item

#

While you can tera and have a good item

shadow wind
#

I honestly liked Z moves a lot

jade dust
#

Eww

cyan smelt
#

pulverising pancake šŸ”„

jade dust
#

What I don’t like of Z moves mostly is the cringe animations

#

Many have very cringe animations

#

Some are very cool tho

shadow wind
#

They had the same cost of megas which I liked

#

Item gimmicks are amazing for meta games

jade dust
#

Yeah that is true

#

Specially in open team sheets

#

You know what to expect

cyan smelt
#

all that set up with baton pass espathra for arch to get 2hkoed lmfao

shadow wind
#

It also let mons like gastrodon do stuff instead of be a yawn bot

shadow wind
#

+3 speed to be outsped by adamant drill

jade dust
#

I think Z destiny bond was cool

#

Being a follow me as well

shadow wind
#

Extreme evo boost

cyan smelt
#

espathra stuff is extremely gimmicky imo

shadow wind
#

But it can also be very strong

#

Wouldn’t be shocked if that Sableye had gravity too

cyan smelt
#

another mon i'm not gonna sucker punch because they could baton pass at any time

jade dust
#

I would like to have Dozo in champions

shadow wind
#

Also Lumina crash is a broken support move

jade dust
#

Except Dozo mirrors are a pain

shadow wind
jade dust
#

You can’t damage each other and can’t switch

shadow wind
#

Send this man to a mental asylum

#

Enjoy the time without Dozo

cyan smelt
#

no idea why dozo was in the trailer but not included at launch tbh

jade dust
#

I like Dozo cuz he looks funny

shadow wind
jade dust
cyan smelt
#

dozo and mega tatsu is gonna be a pain, i just know it

shadow wind
#

Wait no that’s plusle and minun

jade dust
#

Well if mega Tatsu is good at all

shadow wind
#

Mega Tatsu better have some cool ability

jade dust
#

Might be better with scarf or sash

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
#

Lowkey has some built on it

cyan smelt
#

so many megas we don't know the ability so we don't know if they'll be good, i wanna know if mega dragalge is gonna be worth it

shadow wind
#

I wouldn’t be shocked if each form had a different ability

#

Mega Heatran is who I’m staring at with full attention

jade dust
#

I don’t think they would lol

#

They just give Dozo a different stat boost in order up

shadow wind
#

Who knows

#

They do weird things all the time

#

Man I love Meganium

cyan smelt
#

i need to look up a full list of new megas

jade dust
#

I’m actually thinking in running a mega Gengar Dozo team if mega Tatsu isn’t good

#

So I have tatsu faint from perish inside Dozo

cyan smelt
#

i want to run mega metagross

molten oasis
#

But the ability determines if it prefers an item or not

jade dust
#

Having a boosted dozo plus a partner is very strong

shadow wind
shadow wind
jade dust
#

I want mega Metagross too

cyan smelt
#

oooh mega mence and mega ray

molten oasis
#

I think it’s insane they let floette be legal and metagross not lol

cyan smelt
#

mega mence is gonna be insane

jade dust
#

I will run it as my 2nd mega in my Floette team

molten oasis
#

However, idt floette is THAT bad

shadow wind
molten oasis
#

It would have anyway

shadow wind
#

Like how Xerneas wasn’t in sv

#

Wanted their new toys to be good

cyan smelt
#

give me back smeargle i beg you

molten oasis
#

I would have had fun with phox anyway, Phox is good into gross

jade dust
molten oasis
shadow wind
jade dust
#

Delete Smeargle forever

cyan smelt
#

i love smeargle shenanigans

shadow wind
#

On god kill that guy

molten oasis
jade dust
#

My most hated enemy

#

Kill Smeargle to extinction

shadow wind
#

Why does showdown ladder feel so hard all of a sudden

cyan smelt
#

because you levelled up conner

molten oasis
#

Teams are more optimized or bullshit lmao

shadow wind
#

Nah if anything I levelled down 😭😭😭

molten oasis
#

No groudon nerf

shadow wind
molten oasis
#

Lmao

shadow wind
#

And I’m on mobile

cyan smelt
#

conner is the bwahacough of groudon

shadow wind
#

So in reality I’m playing at like 50% right now

#

Mobile legit makes me play worse

#

But the mobile ā€œGgā€ will always be top tier

cyan smelt
#

just wait til champions mobile, then you won't be handicapped

molten oasis
#

I’m having fun, but I also had a guy I liked actually be really strong for once

shadow wind
#

I mean I’m running Ttar right now, I’m having fun

molten oasis
#

Last time I got my hopes up it was hydrapple and that mon is shit

cyan smelt
#

wait eelektross got a mega? wut

molten oasis
shadow wind
#

Too bad they cooked him on the stats 😭😭

molten oasis
#

I’m eyeing golispod and bax

tiny karmaBOT
cyan smelt
#

the one i'm really interested in is mega dragalge

molten oasis
#

It’s got great stats id argue but that typing is buns

shadow wind
#

On the eel??

molten oasis
#

No hydrapple

shadow wind
#

Oh yeah that guy

cyan smelt
#

mega falinks looks buns

shadow wind
#

His stats are good

molten oasis
shadow wind
#

But grass dragon…

#

Gg

shadow wind
cyan smelt
#

woah 175 base attack with mega bax

molten oasis
#

Yeah

molten oasis
cyan smelt
#

that's going to be a nuke

shadow wind
#

Honestly if Bax just keeps thermal exchange it’s gg

#

One dd and it is wraps

molten oasis
#

Intimidate? Ok

#

I hit like a freight train anyway

shadow wind
#

Real

cyan smelt
#

looking at mega dragalge it's kinda frail and the speed

shadow wind
#

Bros -1 is like a normal mons +1

#

Depends on the ability

tiny karmaBOT
cyan smelt
#

i'd be looking at tr for mega dragalge definitely

molten oasis
#

THIS guy, he’s a behemoth

shadow wind
# tiny karma

Anything but emergency exit šŸ™šŸ™šŸ™šŸ™

#

ā€œTactical retreatā€ šŸ¤“

molten oasis
#

Istg

shadow wind
#

I honestly don’t dig the bug steel typing for it though

#

We already have a bug steel mega

molten oasis
#

They’ll give it water bubble that’s why

shadow wind
#

A man can dream

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
#

Bro got Groudon stats

molten oasis
#

Huh, they’re like, kinda hella similar

cyan smelt
#

mega scizor is no joke

shadow wind
cyan smelt
#

hence why it's on rain most of the time

molten oasis
#

Bro dies to sunlight

shadow wind
#

Might as well have built in dry skin

#

But only the bad parts

molten oasis
#

Tho based on this round of megas I think the upcoming ones are gonna get fckn shafted

#

Except for like 2

cyan smelt
#

i don't think i have ever played against a toxicroak

shadow wind
#

Man I love Toxicroak

#

That dude is awesome

molten oasis
#

I played against a couple in reg g/i

cyan smelt
#

i have promised to never underestimate another pokemon again after underestimating mega drampa

molten oasis
#

It got one shot by behemoth blade and fckn died

cyan smelt
#

i still lost to it because i dismissed it

molten oasis
#

Fair

#

Always respect your opponent

cyan smelt
#

those berserk boosted hyper voices hurt

shadow wind
#

Sableye never should’ve existed

#

Yeah encore disable prankster that’s fun

cyan smelt
#

that gremlin is very annoying

#

also wisp and quash

#

also when did it get helping hand?

shadow wind
#

And fake out and double screens

cyan smelt
#

and sunny day and rain dance

shadow wind
#

Bro was Grimmsnarl before Grimmsnarl

#

Pretty much top 200

#

I call it good enough

#

I swear the ladder is so much harder than last I remember

cyan smelt
#

i feel like i can read the flow of games much better, i was spectating and could see that a player was going to set up tr and they did

#

i consider that improvement

shadow wind
#

W

#

Feel like I haven’t improved in like a year

#

Which definitely isn’t true but it feels like it

#

But also I usually suck outside of restricted formats and I’ve never played a mega format so I’ll take anything I can get right now

cyan smelt
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i feel like with a lot of mons it's predictable what they're going to do, scizor is going to mega and set up a swords dance, floette is gonna mega and protect or set up a calm mind

shadow wind
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I just played a scizor

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Bro almost got me

cyan smelt
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i'm noticing it a lot more in games i'm spectating, i wonder if it's picking up

shadow wind
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Double cursed body proc 🐟🐟🐟

cyan smelt
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gengar is annoying pre and post mega

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feels like the format is shifting towards bulk

shadow wind
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All formats do eventually

cyan smelt
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if i play against sableye i'm tempted to get rid of it as fast as possible

shadow wind
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Yeah it’s usually good to do that

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I’m stubborn and leave it though

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Which is usually bad

cyan smelt
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from wolfey or cybertron i learnt it's bad to leave support pokemon or mons that inflict status alone too long

shadow wind
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Wait that game didn’t even have Sableye

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The cursed body fried me mentally

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I was so scared of that Gengar

cyan smelt
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usually gengar should be afraid of ttar

shadow wind
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Typically

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But I’m not the average bear

cyan smelt
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ig when they've got a kommo-o it changes things

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i'm watching games and in so many games they just leave the farigiraf alone and it causes them to lose

shadow wind
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I usually leave Farig alone

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Ttar lets me do that