competitive_discussion

[sudden remnant]

negative

[rustic mountain]

thats literally the point tho, every format is always gna come down to the mons that are above and beyond the best and everything adapts around them until a new meta develops and then it continues

[sudden remnant]

i didnt even know there was one

[bold geode]

Oh @foggy lodge I saw some evil shit from a casual player

[foggy lodge]

not me it doesn't give points anyways

[keen quiver]

its literally in the battle category ingame.

[rustic mountain]

also too the funniest part is incin isnt even that great atm, still a good mon but nowhere near the impact its had in the past

[bold geode]

I saw some dude
Use Mega Hawlucha
And Pop Bomb Kings Rock Maushold

[sudden remnant]

i havent touched the game in 4 days

[keen quiver]

there literally a Pink bar on top saying "VGC COMPETITION LIVE"

[keen quiver]

[sudden remnant]

ive been playing ORAS USUM and Y on my 3ds what do you want from me

[forest arrow]

Defiant Gambit, Sneasler, Basculegion and Garchomp

[foggy lodge]

No yeah it happens at every format and its also a good thing too at a certain point

[forest arrow]

Just not a good time for incin at all

[winter fox]

I give up on Mega Blastoise the game obviously doesn't want me to use it with the games I keep getting put into

[bold geode]

Oh yeah the funny thing is like
It's still a good Pokemon and yet this is the weakest it probably will be

[rustic mountain]

milotic too

[forest arrow]

Milotic

Tf

[keen quiver]

competitive

[forest arrow]

you beat me too it lmao

[foggy lodge]

Thats like the crazy thing most of these are not even good cause the counter incin they are good regardless

[bold geode]

Like there's the comparison of this format being a kindergarten class

[rustic mountain]

yep p much

[foggy lodge]

Like incin existing is just a bit annoying for them

Or straight up benefits them

[bold geode]

Imo Incineroar is one of the kindergartners but at the same time that kindergartner specifically is Billy Madison

[foggy lodge]

Activate defiant or white herb

Activate competitive

You cant fake out basculegion

[forest arrow]

You fake out Garchomp you’re getting stomping tantrumd

[bold geode]

Like Incineroar is a kindergartner rn but give him a week or two and he's in 5th grade all of a sudden

[sudden remnant]

true

[foggy lodge]

Milotic is one that does rise in usage because it checks incin

[keen quiver]

waiter waiter
more inner focus mons

[foggy lodge]

But idt the other top 4 mons would change too much depending on incin's usage

[rustic mountain]

still can perform but yea its hostile cuz u dont have ur best friend rilla and if u go sini its 2 support mons ur bringing otherwise i guess u could use tsareena

[sudden remnant]

mega gallade exists

[bold geode]

Though yeah I will say this format is really good at Incin management

[forest arrow]

God no they ruined Gallade

Give the mega sharpness

[rustic mountain]

not that rilla isnt support but it can atleast do some damage too

[bold geode]

Which is surprising for a format that's low power
Which btw feels like a complete fucking oxymoron to say

[foggy lodge]

clam gallade i still think about you

[bold geode]

Like yeah the format with MEGA EVOLUTIONS is low power

[sudden remnant]

give it a new signature ability with the affects of both sharpness and inner focus

[foggy lodge]

its also cuz like

[forest arrow]

What’s funny is Gallade would be good into gambit Sneas

[foggy lodge]

Incin is a support so the better the mons it helps the better it is

[forest arrow]

If it wasn’t paper

[rustic mountain]

it more just speaks that incin isnt broken and actually is the reason some things dont become massively overpowered wen the formats do increase in power level

[foggy lodge]

like incin was actually more used in reg I then in reg G

[keen quiver]

i can't wait for gamefreak to make a new pokemon that has the ability to prevent Held items from activating

[bold geode]

Oh yeah
The best it's felt for me was with Floette

[sudden remnant]

theres a move that does that

[bold geode]

Yeah
He's a good check

[sudden remnant]

i think its called magic room?

[bold geode]

Incineroar is my bouncer

[rustic mountain]

incins best spots are tr set up, floette stuff and perish

atleast rn

[keen quiver]

just make that an ability at this point
Weak filler move tbh

[forest arrow]

P2 Ursa I miss you

[bold geode]

Actually Incineroar did feel fucking broken the short time I played Perish

[sudden remnant]

[sudden remnant]

you are pure evil

[dense latch]

it was good in the xern days

[sudden remnant]

satan gave you the throne to hell

[bold geode]

HEY WE HAD TO TRY IT AT SOME POINT

[dense latch]

you could run scarf tapu lele and use magic room

[bold geode]

Also bro my name means Spawn of Satan I'm already screwed

[rustic mountain]

uses viable strat
cynicalvex: how could u?

[sudden remnant]

exactly 😄

[keen quiver]

casually made a tail wind team involving aerodactyl, incineroar, and whimsicott.
oough it stank.

[bold geode]

Genuinely crazy to say "oh yeah btw Perish Trap is viable

[rustic mountain]

right

[bold geode]

But like it's true

[sudden remnant]

im using mega manectric and winning games bro

[rustic mountain]

usually is a lot better in low power formats tbh

[bold geode]

Actually y'know who I like Mega Gengar into

Dozogiri

[sudden remnant]

isnt tatsugiri immune in dozos mouth?

[bold geode]

Mega Gengar just has like 10 tools to bully Dozogiri for absolutely no fucking reason

[rustic mountain]

nice

[keen quiver]

mega tatsugiri getting a signature ability that makes dondozo even more cracked for no reason

[bold geode]

Don't matter if Dozo goes down

[rustic mountain]

gengar a9 disable encore sounds miserable for dozo haha

[forest arrow]

So uhhh we were talking about screens and Aaron’s posted that rain team

[rustic mountain]

i hope mega tatsu lets it stand on its own

[bold geode]

That
It has Perish
Shadow Tag disrupts the combination
Will O Wisp
HAZE

[forest arrow]

You can’t even bring chande to the mu LMAO

[keen quiver]

atleast make it able to dish out damage

[rustic mountain]

yea haha

[sudden remnant]

not every team has to be crazy meta d-riding my team has 2 meta relevant pokemon rn Araquanid and Sneasler (araquanid has been on the rise recently)

[bold geode]

Bro Mega Gengar just fucks Dozogiri 8 days of the week

[sudden remnant]

what about the 9th and 10th days?

[rustic mountain]

oh for sure just seen that do well last weekend and also happens to do well into dozo/giri

[bold geode]

Extremely hot take but I'm ready for Dozogiri

[rustic mountain]

instead of like oh lemme use haze for dozo u already have a strat cooked in thats effective towards it

[foggy lodge]

will o gengar is underused

[bold geode]

I wanna see how Dozogiri plays now

[foggy lodge]

Fast will o wisp is super good in this format

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

I also saw some Mega Froslass running it now

[bold geode]

WELL IT'S INTERESTING RIGHT CUZ LIKE

[forest arrow]

Delphox too

[bold geode]

It doesn't have tera anymore

[forest arrow]

I’ve seen wisp on a few of them

[foggy lodge]

I actually think i could make regular arcanine usable just due to the fast will o niche

Also not weak to sneasler is cool

[rustic mountain]

again, idm dozo coming back but id like a breather of not having it in the game for a bit

[bold geode]

Wisp Delphox is good
I think Gengar could do it too but like
I think Froslass doesn't use it as well from personal experience

[rustic mountain]

we just had 4 years w/ dozo

well prolly b gettin it in a month

[bold geode]

I think the best 2 moves for that slot is Aurora Veil or Substitute

[rustic mountain]

lets enjoy the time w/o it

[bold geode]

And Nasty Plot is an honorable mention

[forest arrow]

We shall see June 17th

[foggy lodge]

i think will o is underexplored with it

[forest arrow]

Iirc

[rustic mountain]

oh right its not the 1st anymore

[foggy lodge]

So worlds will be in a new format cuz naic is before that wujuu

[bold geode]

Honestly I think the best is Aurora cuz Aurora Veil just REALLY punished passive play and like

Unless you fuck it up by trying to set it before another weather mega hits their button, you can even sac off Fros sometimes and get value cuz you got the Veil up

[rustic mountain]

oh bro the gc is literally 2mw

[forest arrow]

Wait is mobile release happening with M-B?

[bold geode]

But I think Sub is also good too cuz it also punishes passive play and low-key one of my favorite thing to do with Substitute is just stall out turns by using Sub as a pseudo Protect

[rustic mountain]

they didnt say

[foggy lodge]

i would guess it releases with it

[rustic mountain]

yall have teams for the gc ready?

[forest arrow]

Can’t wait to play Pokemon when I should be working

[foggy lodge]

Makes sense to drop it with a new format

[rustic mountain]

i guess atleast we can sign up during the weekend which is cool

[forest arrow]

I’ll prob just run zard

[foggy lodge]

So new players from mobile dont play mid regulation

[rustic mountain]

yea

[bold geode]

Imma just use a Meganium team I touched up

My only thing is well

I gotta pray I don't fight Mega Venu

[rustic mountain]

dude meganium absolutely blitzes the farig stoise team

like its actually wild

[solar siren]

Yo for wishiwashi
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Wishiwashi_(Pokémon)#Form_data
If it is switched out while in School Form, it will revert to its Solo Form. Does this happen regardless of health? If i switch it out while it's full health, will it revert to solo form?

[bold geode]

Yeah bro it's fucking crazy

Against TR teams like that I basically force them to lead Incin Farig

[forest arrow]

Slamming a gambit with weatherball is prob my favorite button to click

[rustic mountain]

another reason i dropped stoise mega im like fuckin mega meganium is beating me? nah

[bold geode]

Which I know that's a common lead for those teams but basically my game plan is built in a way where they can't really lead anything other than Incin Farig

[bold geode]

PUT SOME RESPECT ON THE DINO DAWG

[rustic mountain]

its been awhile since ive used wishiwashi i think it reverts wen swapped

[bold geode]

Did you know if you burn a Sneasler Meganium lives the Dire Claw

[rustic mountain]

full health isnt enough to activate school form so ud stay in the same form of solo

[rustic mountain]

i would fucking hope so lmao

but yea its bulky

[bold geode]

Like I mean bro tbf
It's 4x SE from Sneasler

[rustic mountain]

i guess haha

[bold geode]

Also I learned from the GCF
I was totally right about using Aegislash
That Mon FUCKS

[rustic mountain]

idt u needed that to tell u its a good mon

[mighty stump]

wow

who knew

did u know if you do less damage you don’t kill

[bold geode]

Bruh

[foggy lodge]

Aegislash is cool ive been using it

[rustic mountain]

[mighty stump]

I agree

[foggy lodge]

Dark berry to kill gambit with sacred sword lmao

[mighty stump]

Aegislash goated

I like Spell Tag

[rustic mountain]

yea that seems so nuts w/ damage output

[mighty stump]

Just gotta not miss Poltergeist

[bold geode]

I run Metal Coat but I might do Spell Tag?

[mighty stump]

Why Metal Coat

[rustic mountain]

bruh

[mighty stump]

Your best neutral is a Ghost move

and Sneak

[bold geode]

To hit with Iron Head as hard as fucking possible for the Fairies

[rustic mountain]

lame

[mighty stump]

You resist anyways why do you care

[bold geode]

It's my Sneasler Floette Aero counter

Never missed the extra Polter damage

[foggy lodge]

I tried metal coat but it was meh

[rustic mountain]

poltergeist does unreasonable damage w/ spell tag in a lot of scenarios

[foggy lodge]

you only boost iron head anyways

[mighty stump]

It’ll open your eyes

[bold geode]

Open my nuts

[mighty stump]

@foggy lodge My updated version of rain changed out the Corvi

[foggy lodge]

What did it become

[rustic mountain]

wat mega u running?

[mighty stump]

Kingambit lul

[bold geode]

My hot take
Rain is still the weakest weather, fight me

[foggy lodge]

lmao gambit too broken man

[mighty stump]

Floette

[rustic mountain]

top 3 mon this format

[foggy lodge]

iron head or low kick

[mighty stump]

aegislash can also be a replacement but I wanted sth better into mirror gambit + froslass + bascu

[mighty stump]

Low Kick Chople

[rustic mountain]

yep

good set

[mighty stump]

Also are Kingambits running mfing Speed because mine keeps getting outsped and im like

bro

[rustic mountain]

yes

[foggy lodge]

I like that the top 3 rn kill eachother basically

[mighty stump]

i run speed

how much

[shadow wind]

I’d run 252 jolly if I were you

Sorry 32 jolly

[foggy lodge]

Sneasler kills gambit
Gambit kills bascu
Bascu kills sneasler

[mighty stump]

BECAUSE PEOPLE PLAY RAIN WRONG AND BAD

[shadow wind]

I been sayin

[mighty stump]

I dont have LOrb Tera Dark Assurance so lowkey dw to

[rustic mountain]

i havent seen enough to know like speed creeps and stuff but ive seen a fair amount go over 80 speed

[mighty stump]

bruh

nevermind then

[rustic mountain]

saw 1 that was 92 speed

[forest arrow]

That’s crazy

[mighty stump]

Idrc anyways I just hit them with Light of Ruin

lmao

[rustic mountain]

hahahah

[mighty stump]

Nice speed broski eat this

[foggy lodge]

I saw some running sash max max

[mighty stump]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gif-949319236308169219

[rustic mountain]

also some sash yea

[foggy lodge]

At the Skraw tour

[rustic mountain]

id say chople most common atm

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[rustic mountain]

a few black glasses still

[foggy lodge]

People realized that they have to live the adamant cc

[rustic mountain]

even then its a roll unless u go heavy invest

[foggy lodge]

I think they are running more defense now

[mighty stump]

I don’t; if they run Adamant CC then I will always win the FO war and I can play around that

I notice more Bulky Zards and i’m like

Wow this is freelo

[rustic mountain]

y

[mighty stump]

Because Timid Archa outspeeds and always KOs

lmfao

[bold geode]

I'd say prove me wrong but we know how that goes

[rustic mountain]

ahh gotcha i mean yea if they dont have tw which i think u should have as a zard player

[mighty stump]

+1 32 SpA Dragon Fang Archaludon Draco Meteor vs. 16 HP / 0 SpD Mega Charizard Y: 172-204 (101.7 - 120.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[rustic mountain]

dragon fang arch havent seen that yet

[mighty stump]

lmao

[mighty stump]

I think I’m running the correct Archa set cause what r u tryna live with Stamina + bulk

[bold geode]

But once again
Give me a Rain setting mega and I'll drop the slander lol

[mighty stump]

At most you eat 2 CCs which is tbe same as Sturdy

I’d rather take advantage of my EShot boosts and be fast and KO every neutral I come scross

[foggy lodge]

my chari was ohkoing archas with weather ball

[mighty stump]

+1 32 SpA Dragon Fang Archaludon Draco Meteor vs. 32 HP / 16 SpD Farigiraf: 220-259 (96.9 - 114%) -- 81.25% chance to OHKO

[rustic mountain]

i gotcha, i think its a fine choice ive just seen arch w/ a lot of other items instead so far

[bold geode]

I just think Snow is better than Rain but nah no abusers so

[mighty stump]

I have like

a 100% winrate jnto that AVeil Froslass team with Bulky Sneasler

[bold geode]

Everything gotta have abusers, you ever think how that makes the weathers feel

[mighty stump]

With Dnite and stuff

They always lead Froslass + Sneasler and proceed to lose

[bold geode]

How do the weathers feel about getting abused

[mighty stump]

I think name of the game is being better at chipping your opponents

[rustic mountain]

u running basc?

[mighty stump]

Sash Basc

[rustic mountain]

yea i think u were the 1st i saw on that

[mighty stump]

my older variant team is posted in #replica_teams

[mighty stump]

Nah that’s @foggy lodge

I took it from him

Team came together because of his ideas I yoi ked

[bold geode]

Hey LeBron can carry the Lakers, Froslass can carry Snow

[rustic mountain]

nah we dont need to credit him

[mighty stump]

LOL

[bold geode]

Chat how does no Rain setting mega affect Lebron's legacy

[rustic mountain]

monke wat r u blabbing about

[mighty stump]

Pelipper is the mega

[bold geode]

Bro I was watching some edit of Bronny "getting Lebron's powers" and they put both their names above them at one point and they called Bronny "Brownie"

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

Like bruh c'mon

Wait Tree doesn't LeBron have another son

[rustic mountain]

bronny and bryce yes

[bold geode]

Is Bryce any good?

[rustic mountain]

idk

some ppl say better then bronny

[bold geode]

Aw hell

Shit finna be like Lonzo and Lamelo again

[shadow wind]

But bronny has bron for all

Gg

[foggy lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/701184292146905110/899441762802761808/lmfao.gif

[rustic mountain]

huh

the huh was in response to conner

[shadow wind]

I hear his bron for all is at like 15% now

[rustic mountain]

yea ight this guys fried

[shadow wind]

Like one for all from my hero

He’s even copying Brons animations now

[rustic mountain]

oh ok i think i get it now

dude hes his son ofc they gna have similarities in mannerisms

[shadow wind]

How tall is bronny?

I always forget that LeBron is like 6’8”

[dense latch]

like 6'2 i think

188 cm in normal units

[shadow wind]

Dang I’m taller than that guy, crazy stuff

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/simpson-ralph-drawing-stairs-escape-gif-5561458491540469104

[foggy lodge]

It would be so cool to do that irl

[dense latch]

bron wouldnt get any help so he had to make his own

[shadow wind]

Shocked he stopped at 2

[bold geode]

Real

[rustic mountain]

how tall r u

[foggy lodge]

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[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

I'm as tall as Bronny?

[rustic mountain]

is every1 here over 6'?

[dense latch]

i forget people abroad are like tall tall

[dense latch]

im 5'11

[foggy lodge]

idk what y'all refer to with 6'

[shadow wind]

190 cm

[rustic mountain]

i respect u not rounding up

[dense latch]

im used to that being tall bc the average here is like 5'6 for men

[dense latch]

182cm

[bold geode]

Do you live in Whosville?

[foggy lodge]

omg im so behind

[dense latch]

latin america

[rustic mountain]

ahh ok yea average here is 5'9

[foggy lodge]

Im like 1.72-75

[bold geode]

What's that in bald eagles per cases of diabetes

[dense latch]

5'8-5'9

[rustic mountain]

isnt that 6'2 lmao

unless my conversions r off

[dense latch]

2 to 2 and a half bald eagles

[bold geode]

Ha Max is short

[foggy lodge]

but im young and @bold geode is old and bald

[bold geode]

Brother I am the complete opposite of bald rn LOL

[foggy lodge]

Im still young and you are not

[rustic mountain]

wats not young

[foggy lodge]

So i win

[foggy lodge]

monke

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[bold geode]

I'd argue with you but my knees ache rn so

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

I'm 23, I'm nearing unc status

[rustic mountain]

oh god lol

23 is not unc

[bold geode]

Yeah but I'm getting close

[rustic mountain]

[bold geode]

Then again I've had people call me unc so

[foggy lodge]

im already an unc

[rustic mountain]

ur closer to 20 then u r 30

[bold geode]

Oh Tree did you see this clip of LeBron playing golf talking about this thing that made him feel old

[rustic mountain]

cuz ppl dont know wat unc actually means haha its been reappropriated to a dumbed down mass audience

literary comprehension is in the toilet for most ppl u think they know wat words mean

[bold geode]

Skibidi Toilet

[rustic mountain]

exactly

[dense latch]

unc is where jordan played in college

[rustic mountain]

erik knows ball (quite literally)

[bold geode]

[dense latch]

im still far from unc status thankfully

[rustic mountain]

actual unc status is like 45-50+

[foggy lodge]

no erik you are also an unc already

[shadow wind]

On my life it’s 6’2 and a half

[rustic mountain]

every1 callin ppl unc who r like early 20s in a few years r not gna wanna think of themselves as unc, cause they arent lol. its just dumb lmao it makes no sense

[bold geode]

Max is unc

[rustic mountain]

but w/e cycles be cycling i guess

[shadow wind]

I think unc is a mindset and not a defined age

[dense latch]

unc status is relative

[bold geode]

Btw side note
I wanna play that new Tomodachi game so fucking bad

[rustic mountain]

and im 6'1 and 3/4s haha i just round down

[shadow wind]

I usually round down too

[dense latch]

im playing the 3ds version rn

[shadow wind]

Or just say 190 cm cause it’s so much cooler than 6’2 and a half

[rustic mountain]

ahahaha

[shadow wind]

Now that’s peak gaming right there

[dense latch]

and i feel like what i'm missing is what the switch version improves upon

[bold geode]

Bro it's so cursed, why is there no filters

[foggy lodge]

no its real club penguin said so

[shadow wind]

Erik you won’t believe what my friend gave me before I left for Australia

[dense latch]

groudon plushie?

[shadow wind]

Mario and Luigi partners in time

[dense latch]

WWW

im still trying to find bowsers inside story

[bold geode]

I like how all of them are just normal and doing different activities and then the last one is just old

[rustic mountain]

dude y r ppl obsessed w/ tamagochi all of a sudden, is it just game of the week vibes

[bold geode]

New game that like

For some fucking reason idk why

It's a Nintendo game that just has no fucking filters

[rustic mountain]

is it not tamagochi the handheld egg raising simulator

[dense latch]

different things

[bold geode]

No it's Tomodachi

[rustic mountain]

oh so different game

[bold geode]

It's a thing with Miis

[rustic mountain]

ahhhhhh

even less interested now

[shadow wind]

Dude you gotta find that

[dense latch]

yea its def not for everyone

[foggy lodge]

im watching a stream about it now

[dense latch]

i think i could use a chill game like that rn

rate my walter white

[shadow wind]

Bro married peach and his best friend is Mario 🤧🤧🤧

Does Mario at least get to watch?

[dense latch]

i tried to get mario and peach together but mario rejected her

[shadow wind]

Lore accurate Mario

[rustic mountain]

hahah nice 10/10

"i am the danger"

[dense latch]

idk why i didnt make that his catchphrase

[rustic mountain]

also likes should have
pizza on the roof

[winter fox]

Hello? Why did Serperior's Dragon Pulse hit through my Rage Powder??

[dense latch]

grass types ignore rage powder

[rustic mountain]

grass types ignore rage powder

damn erik beat me to it

[winter fox]

I hate this game

[rustic mountain]

wtf emote is this

heres what i was trynna go for

[dense latch]

the game hates you too you'll get used to it

[winter fox]

Every match has done something to spite me today

[dense latch]

it hates me at least

[rustic mountain]

just learn from it

u played not realizin that was a mechanic in the game, now u do

[dense latch]

you gotta learn some stuff the hard way in vgc

[rustic mountain]

yep

[foggy lodge]

when i first started playing i would try to play paonite into psyspam

[rustic mountain]

w/ ice spinner right

[bold geode]

Oh God we had the same experiences

[winter fox]

I encountered a Throat Chop Sneasler today I wanted to chuck my Switch in the bin

[foggy lodge]

no i was icicle😭

[rustic mountain]

[rustic mountain]

reg h returns

if only a glimmer

[shadow wind]

No no no

You can’t take me back

[zinc edge]

My sneasler runs throat chop

[shadow wind]

At least the Ursalunas are dead for the time being

[zinc edge]

It's the strongest dark type move it learns to hit dem peaky ghosts plus it's good against farig and sylv/gard

[shadow wind]

Would Ursaluna save tr right now?

[winter fox]

I will drop a bus on your head pick it back up and continue to slam it on you until you become a brown stain on the pavement. Rearrange you back together and destroy you molecule by molecule.

[rustic mountain]

or u could idk ko garde and sylv w/ dire claw

[zinc edge]

Trick room is in a good place rn

[shadow wind]

Honestly it probably would

[rustic mountain]

itd help but idk bout save

[winter fox]

For legal reasons this is a joke

[zinc edge]

Why tho @winter fox

If it helps I don't run protect which hurts a lot

[foggy lodge]

depends

[rustic mountain]

teras gone ursa wont b what it was

[foggy lodge]

cuz base ursa is like useless without the flame orb anyways

[rustic mountain]

also yea that i keep forgetting no flame orb hahah

[winter fox]

I hate Sneasler and I hate that fucking Giraffe and bridge

[zinc edge]

Mmm not really and you can always put it beside sableye and willow it turn 1

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah no flame orb

[zinc edge]

Sableye is the poor man's flame orb

[shadow wind]

Side Eq into partner Scovillian

🔥🔥🔥

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[zinc edge]

Then it wouldn't be buffed for the first attack

Side willow sableye is better 🤣

[rustic mountain]

do u think he thinks thats actually optimal?

[shadow wind]

That’s fine it’s still a 140 base attack stab eq

[zinc edge]

I don't think there is a single guts mom in game rn 🤣

[shadow wind]

Conkeldurr

[zinc edge]

Is he the only one

[rustic mountain]

yea conk

[shadow wind]

Mic has been dropped

[dense latch]

w scovillain counter

[rustic mountain]

u fool i want to b burned -conk probably

[shadow wind]

Just don’t look at the overheat calc

[rustic mountain]

no need its all good

[zinc edge]

I use to use trick room conk back in I think x/y

He was solid

[rustic mountain]

conk back then seemed good

now?

[shadow wind]

Conk was actually really good in some SwSh formats

But like any fighting type was good

[molten oasis]

Scovillian’s, a Mon, I guess

[shadow wind]

Max knuckles gg

[molten oasis]

I haven’t struggled once so

[shadow wind]

Bro might have a single fire type

[molten oasis]

It also nukes it

[agile dove]

Does anyone wanna do some trial battles with me? I am using a scovillain team that wolfey made and could use some practice before using it in ranked. I am masterball tier and my current team isn't cutting it anymore

[viscid garnet]

I need some thoughts. Lowkey this team has been putting in work for me as I’ve played, but i was very curious if it would be possible to switch out Palafin for Mega Blastoise and not have a mega on dragonite or if that’s just not possible. (I know my team has a bunch of weaknesses but its been super nice to be able to use my favorites and still surprisingly succeed) (also as a heads up for the team itself, Palafin’s role is the clean-up sweeper, while dragonite is supposed to be a “back-up” mega as well as a tailwind setter mainly since my team is mid-speed tier)

[agile dove]

Heracross?

[viscid garnet]

This is VGC btw

[agile dove]

Is pikachu in there cuz it's one of your favourites?

[viscid garnet]

Ye

It’s been surprisingly good in all of my matches

Started using full support Pikachu and this is the one comp that actually has been putting in work

[agile dove]

Gotcha, yea people underestimate it.

[viscid garnet]

Sad there’s no eviolite but having light ball has gotten me some good wins since lightning rod/volt switch hits surprisingly hard without spatk ev investment

[agile dove]

What rank have you reached so far?

[viscid garnet]

I’m like a win away from Ultra, just havent gotten there since i havent played in a while. I went on a 9 game winstreak with this specific comp and got stuck for a bit (horrible plays on my part) but this team is surprisingly strong, even without weather control

[agile dove]

That's awesome!! I bet the pikachu would be a decent counter to electroshot spamming archaludon with peliper for the rain

[viscid garnet]

It has been

And pikachu has gotten many pelipper snipes with that strat specifically

[agile dove]

I just hit masterball 3!! But it's kinda dull in this rank, every team is pretty much the same comps, sneasler, kingambit, basculegion, incineroar

Literally everyteam

[viscid garnet]

Yeahh i’ve seen lmao

I’ve surprisingly cooked some sneaslers, kingambit is lowkey not a problem, basculegion is a bit of a struggle if my Meganium dies, and my pikachu/scizor mostly destroys incin

[viscid garnet]

Without speed investment, im always faster than incin so i usually tend to like doubling into it with fake out/CC

[agile dove]

This is what I'm running with, but it can get easily walled by trickroom teams

[viscid garnet]

Lowkey fire team btw

My goodra is crazy good against trick room teams

Life dew stalling plus it being faster than most mons in TR has been a saving grace

[cerulean nacelle]

Is electro shot just for the rain MU?

[agile dove]

Oh yeah! And thank you... It's wolfey's team, I've made some changes to suit my playstyle

[viscid garnet]

The main issue with my team is that it struggles in the sun matchup

Thats like the most consistent loss that i’ve had team comp wise

Since i dont have pelipper for the weather control

[agile dove]

Yeah, but since my archaludon is scarfed i don't use him in matches where i know there will be a toss up for weather

[agile dove]

Try drampa sometime! It has cloud 9 for weather control and mega drampa throws people off hard

[cerulean nacelle]

Fair enough. There ever been matches where you wished you had tbolt rather than electro?

[agile dove]

Sometimes, but a lot of the times when I get hit with knock off, which gets rid of my scarf after I've used electroshot to boost my sp. Atk

[cerulean nacelle]

Also on this can I ask what bold pikachu outlives?

[agile dove]

And it cooks so hard after

[cerulean nacelle]

I mean, good for you if that happens tbh.

[agile dove]

Especially if my Aerodactyl is around to t. Wind

[agile dove]

You can actually steer knock offs meant for your other mon by sacrificing them, or switching in at the right time

[viscid garnet]

A surprising amount of things tbh, rock slide barely does anything, it’s lived multiple different kinds of strong moves, i think EQ chomp is the only thing that it can lowroll to barely survive

But that’s been kinda rare to come across getting hit by eq at all given i usually hit protect on pika before that happens

So i dont really know

[agile dove]

My peliper single handedly walls chomp with eq/rockslide, anything with hypervoice, electroweb, even sludge wave mega gengar or blizzard froslass

Wideguard is so handy

[viscid garnet]

Wide guard is so good

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm aware.

[agile dove]

Especially when everyone you face has spread moves they spam... I ran into a sun team with torkoal and typhlosion... As soon as I popped my wideguard, they forfiet 🤣

[viscid garnet]

Lmao usual sun team activities

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm not sure about the sun MU. I don't wanna tell you how to edit your team. But pikachu does get Ewebs. That could be useful in helping you beat the sun MU.

But otherwise, kinda need a good rock slider for zard Y.

[viscid garnet]

Right, that’s what i was thinking

[viscid garnet]

If i added mega Blast over palafin, i could make dragonite phys atk and replace ice beam with rock slide and give Blast ice beam

[agile dove]

This is another team I use, mega feraligatr is a demon

[agile dove]

At that rate just use a stronger physical attacking dragon

[cerulean nacelle]

I quite like this. Only thing I'd say is make sneasler run white herb and make talonflame run sash.

[viscid garnet]

Fair, i just use dnite over other dragons for tailwind

Multiscale helps with setting it up

[cerulean nacelle]

Also on talonflame, running quick guard or upper hand can help you preserve pokemon if you predict a fake out.

[agile dove]

Yea I'll try that!

I love this team cuz it can run both modes, and both my megas fall in the mid tier where they can go with tailwind or trick room

[cerulean nacelle]

👌

Main reason I've said white herb on sneasler is because 1. Sneasler can proc it with CC if it doesn't get intimidated. 2. You've invested bulk in your sneasler which means you're less likely to activate focus sash in the first place.

[agile dove]

Really helps when I can control the tempo

[agile dove]

Quite true! Plus I've lost my sneasler to things like mega kangeskhan or mega scovillain which break through the sash anyways

[cerulean nacelle]

Yup. Imo white herb just is the right move for sneasler atm.

[agile dove]

Should I keep the poison touch then, or go with unburden?

Poison touch is pretty handy but if I'm using white herb it kinda makes sense

[viscid garnet]

I’ve found out that foul play umbreon is lowkey the counter to Basculegion

A counter*

[agile dove]

So is suckerpunch kingambit

[viscid garnet]

That too lmfao

Kingambit things

[agile dove]

Dude I walled this trickroom team by also using trickroom the same turn as they would, did it twice and I won 🤣

[viscid garnet]

Wild

[cerulean nacelle]

Kingambit does do some stuff n things.

[viscid garnet]

I tried optimizing EVs on a lot of my mons as well as seeing what Blastoise could do if i took palafin out, and lowkey this team would kinda solve my basc/gengar issue along with sun team issues (having rock slide on Dnite) and this also allows me to use another one of my favorite mons and dnite doesnt have to be my second mega considering i usually mega my meganium anyways

https://pokepast.es/005ef78101342bc3

[agile dove]

Basc last respects would still do A LOT of damage.

[viscid garnet]

Yeah i know 🫩

Also Dnite is supposed to be Adamant wtf

I thought about naking my team fully favorites and replacing scizor somehow with Umbreon as a second support mon, but then i wouldnt have Bullet Punch priority against fairy types (MEGA FLOETTE)

So i might just leave scizor and cope

Also figured Extreme speed over dragon claw on Dnite would help with priority to chip things without getting killed first

[agile dove]

If you wanna test shit out I'm happy to go a few rounds!

[viscid garnet]

I unfortunately don’t have blastoisnite in champions just yet so it’d have to be over showdown if that works

but not atm, lemme get my vp up so i can actually get mega blast

[agile dove]

Sounds good!

[viscid garnet]

got everything in game

[viscid garnet]

if you wanna run some now

[agile dove]

Im out for some food, I'll hit you up in an hour or so.. did you get mega blastoise?

[viscid garnet]

i did!, and thats completely fine lol

[leaden fox]

Tbf, as long as you know which mons use Trick Room, you can outplay them if they don’t have Fake Out in play

[cerulean nacelle]

Eh, still its hard to know what item people are running. Ive ran into white herb farigirafs when ive taunted so yeah

Can't fake out an oranguru or a farigiraf due to inner focus or armour tail lmao

[leaden fox]

It’s mainly a matter of knocking them out asap

Like how I see Farig a lot and no Fake Out; I just double into it

[cerulean nacelle]

Even then doubling into it isn't always a guarantee. Especially with colbur or sitrus

It's just tricky to try and beat it ngl.

[leaden fox]

Have knocked out a Farig with max defences and sitrus; it's just a matter of being aware of your mons best moves too
More difficult if they have Fake Out in play, but if you have a Trick Room + Imprison play, that helps too

It's mainly a matter of reading is all; obviously TR will be harder to put up because of Covert Cloak (when in-game) or anti-flinch abilities (like inner focus) or ghost-types, just as long as you know what your opponent's strats are, it's easier to overcome

And even if they run redirection, you can use strong spread moves or stalwart mons (and grass types if they have Rage Powder only)

[cerulean nacelle]

I've been aware of what best to use. Just sometimes that isn't enough. Damage rolls can be a bitch sometimes.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I know the damage rolls aren't always in our favor

[cerulean nacelle]

This isn't me just complaining lol. This is literally from personal experience. I've done a darkest lariat into a max attack adamant kowtow kleave before and came up short.

[leaden fox]

Why is every image for Parting Shot just Incin xD

[cerulean nacelle]

Because he is the honoured one

Thoughout heaven and earth, he alone is john vgc

[leaden fox]

until we get something better than Incin 😅

[cerulean nacelle]

It's ironically gonna be really hard to get something that has better utility than incin.

Also yippee I have my shiny alpha tyranitar now

I have access to all weathers.

[leaden fox]

Nice nice 🙂

I'm just making sure to work on some teams I have in mind; just a matter of "will it work out?" is all 😅

Trying this team out atm:

[cerulean nacelle]

I just like having loads of things lol.

The only one that I struggled to get was basculegion. And even then I got it in the end.

[leaden fox]

I mean, I have Pokémon HOME (as well as PLA and Scarlet w/DLC), so I don't need to worry about that thankfully

[gentle crag]

djdanny88 has given 1 Gen Rep to diobrando8256

[leaden fox]

So if you need any mons from any of the games on the Switch, just let me know

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah I just like to have em shiny because I'm obsessive compulsive lol.

I can get virtually whatever I want.

[leaden fox]

Of course if you have HOME to use

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I perfect dex'd Basculin in PLA to increase my chances xD

[viscid garnet]

Just hit ultra ball rank

[leaden fox]

Let's go 🙂

[cerulean nacelle]

I just stuck with dex level 10 haha. No shiny charm. Couldn't be arsed in that game.

[cerulean nacelle]

Wheyyyyyy!!!

[leaden fox]

I have the shiny charm, wasn't overall hard

I'd say the shiny charm is harder to get when you need the "opposite version of the same game" 😅

[viscid garnet]

hitting a high rank with Pikachu feels so nice

[leaden fox]

No one expects the Pika xD

[cerulean nacelle]

Getting the shiny wasn't that hard. Getting the right gender was.

I got 5 shiny females before a male lol

[viscid garnet]

4/6 of my team is my favorites so that feels good too, cause screw the meta

[leaden fox]

Yeah, know the feeling xD

[timber falcon]

thoughts on aromatise as a tr mon with aroma veil (no taunt ect)?

[leaden fox]

But at least unlike Combee, at least female Basculegion can still be used xD

[leaden fox]

Never used it, but unsure how good it can be

[cerulean nacelle]

Still not the worst thing I had to deal with.

I had to deal with egg hunting for a drought ninetales in SwSh. I got 5 flash fire vulpixes before ninetales.

And before you say it, this was way before ability patches.

[timber falcon]

its got decent bulk, ig its the moveset im unfamiliar with

[leaden fox]

Yeah, thankfully got Drought rather quickly 😅

[gentle crag]

You gave Gen Rep too recently. You can give Gen Rep again <t:1777479381:R>.

[leaden fox]

I would help if I had used one before, but unfortunately haven't 🙁

[timber falcon]

what is scizors role here? never thought of it without mega

[timber falcon]

aw shame

[leaden fox]

Scizor can still access what makes it great as a Mega too: Technician, Bullet Punch, etc

Also counters Floette

[timber falcon]

so quick floette removal i see

[leaden fox]

And if your opponent is too passive; Swords Dance can be used

[leaden fox]

Ok, that new team of mine is actually managing what I want from it (thankfully)

[leaden fox]

This team that is

[real prairie]

Another rainbow unlocked

[leaden fox]

Very nice 🙂

[real prairie]

Makes 4 now

I've played far too much of this game lol

307 victories so far

[keen quiver]

damn bright powder is fucking anoyying lmao

[leaden fox]

Yeah, faced non-Mega Kangaskhan with Bright Powder earlier 🤣

[real prairie]

Do I keep playing?

[leaden fox]

You decide that 🙂
If you are happy just hitting Master, that is all good

Though I am curious once May 13th comes around; will we get bonus VP for what rank we ended at 🤔

Along with any other goodies

[real prairie]

I meant I don't want to ruin the streak lol

I want CT

But I keep bottling it at 2100

And now it's 2300 for CT

[viscid garnet]

basically bulky BP priority with CC white herb for quick snipes

[viscid garnet]

him being bulky works for this specific team way more

also guys i switched palafin for Basculegion and now it sweeps better with that role of "speed control clean-up"

[real prairie]

I actually cackled out loud

[keen quiver]

what they get for intimidate spamming

[lost sun]

how to win instantly

[sudden remnant]

surely they saw the milotic in team preview right???

[real prairie]

Guess not 😂

[sudden remnant]

freelo i guess

[keen quiver]

i LOOVE encore

[leaden fox]

So many people don't think "Wait, Milotic has Competitive" or "Wait, Kingambit has Defiant" etc xD

[sudden remnant]

or “that corvi could have mirror armor”

[leaden fox]

That as well yeah

Mirror Armor Corv is just a threat atm, but since Char Y is getting high usage rate, not as bad 😅

[sudden remnant]

physical contrary superior

[leaden fox]

I would never use Physical Serperior, but that is me xD

If only Serperior got a Mega 😅

[sudden remnant]

intimidate? oh why thank you!

does it flip allies lowering its stats

like whim using tickle or smthn

[leaden fox]

it does

[sudden remnant]

hmmmmmm

[leaden fox]

So if you Bulldoze, you get a speed +1

[sudden remnant]

am i cooking something really really stupid? possibly

[leaden fox]

Shame the Pledge moves aren't in the game though 🙁

[sudden remnant]

a true shame indeed

[leaden fox]

Or I'd be cooking up something crazy xD

[sudden remnant]

i could use zard y and have the burning field

[leaden fox]

If Pledge moves in-game: Mega Emboar or Mega Feraligatr alongside Serperior xD

So you can have burning field or swamp

[sudden remnant]

does superior get weather ball in champs

[leaden fox]

I think it doesn't, cannot remember

[sudden remnant]

why the fuck would i ever use emboar 😭 ive never ever liked that pokemon i dont plan to start now

[leaden fox]

lmao xD

[sudden remnant]

i like tepig, i dont like pignite or emboar

[leaden fox]

I suppose you could do Incineroar as your fire type then

[sudden remnant]

id use torracat

if it was available

[leaden fox]

But regardless, without the Pledge moves, that Pledge strat cannot be used 🙁

[sudden remnant]

zard y is right there

and gives serperior the sun so the fire pledge that will appear will be sun boosted

and zard y is considerably faster than all of the other starters you just named

[leaden fox]

Actually: Mega Greninja + Serperior if pledge moves in game xD

[sudden remnant]

i want the burning field not the swamp

but yes greninja would be a good pledge mon

[leaden fox]

I just know you need a fast starter so you can outspeed certain mons is all

[sudden remnant]

delphox

the answer was right there the whole time

mega delphox

[leaden fox]

yep, and won't have 4x rock weakness

[sudden remnant]

i almost wish the pledge was coming off of delphox’ absolutely absurd 159 special attack

but theres no grass starter faster than delphox is there

scarf meow maybe

[sudden remnant]

absolutely fucking rediculous stats right here

[real prairie]

i kept playing, went 9 games until losing to mega meganium and ttar

[polar canyon]

Hey yall whats a good 0 experience vgc tutorial I could share with a friend

I wonder if anything is up to date with champions

[hardy sable]

Just want to say thanks to everyone for the collective conversation. Finally got masterball

[timber falcon]

Congrats

[indigo coral]

🎉

[mental mason]

https://pokepast.es/f006374b12fe01b0

Hmm. Running this as a sun team. Orthworm is there for another EQ partner for Garchomp, but am unsure how I like this team. Orthworm is also there cause funny.

[dense latch]

is that supposed to be white herb on sneasler?

[mental mason]

Yes.

[dense latch]

air slash or solar beam are better options for zard especially when you already have sneasler and kingambit with fighting moves

[mental mason]

Solar beam is a good idea.

[dense latch]

acro looks a bit underwhelming when weighed next to the utility fake out provides

[mental mason]

Hmm. I guess it's still a 2-hit ko with cc.

*Against other sneaslers.

[foggy lodge]

Heavy slam is better than iron tail on orthworm

[mental mason]

[inland loom]

I really wonder what the best mons will be once everything is added to champions

Or best teams per se

[winter fox]

Calyrex-S,Urshifu,Rillaboom

[stuck perch]

Will we see megas vs dynamax Pokemon?

[next dust]

I'm just waiting for mega scrafty to show up still

[near crag]

Given swift swim basc wave crash with mystic water hits the same as mega starmie liquidation, is there a point to really using starmie, since it has poor bulk and no last respects?

[solid frigate]

32+ Atk Mystic Water Basculegion Wave Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 127-151 (69.3 - 82.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
32+ Atk Mystic Water Basculegion Wave Crash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp in Rain: 192-226 (104.9 - 123.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

32+ Atk Huge Power Starmie-Mega Liquidation vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 139-165 (75.9 - 90.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
32+ Atk Huge Power Starmie-Mega Liquidation vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp in Rain: 210-247 (114.7 - 134.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

if you factor rain then Basc is usually better

its just which other stab you prioitise on

tho i would prioritise Basc since it doesn't take your mega slot and hits just a tiny bit less

[foggy lodge]

Not really

Mega starmie is just outclassed

Also the typing hurts it a bit cuz its weak to ghost and can't run something to boost its speed like scarf or swift swim

So its super weak against certain mons like froslass or mega gengar

[polar canyon]

Starmie is cool

I like 120 speed and ice spinner

Wonder what's the best archetype to use for introducing a beginner friend to vgc

[keen quiver]

Time to meet a new line up 😍

[polar canyon]

Bet you simipour and watchog are gonna be there

[keen quiver]

no but huge power diggersby is here

[polar canyon]

Barely any better

Gacha filler pokemon

[keen quiver]

Copped a snorlax 💤

alright next lineup

[polar canyon]

In defense of mega starmie it's at least less reliant on rain to work than mystic water basc

And not choice locked otherwise

[keen quiver]

hisui goodra...
hmm

[keen quiver]

so it can use heavy slam

[chrome knot]

simipour is goat hopoff

[polar canyon]

Agree in casual gameplay

Cool monkey

I appreciate the elemental monkeys but if separating casual from comp those guys are ass

[chrome knot]

simipour day 2’d champs festival as a non gimmick mon

[keen quiver]

yea im keeping thunderbolt on drampa just to target pelippers

[polar canyon]

How

What does it even do

[keen quiver]

Gluttony merchant

[winter fox]

Well shit

I have to train up another Farigiraf for my Tyranitar team

[chrome knot]

fake out scald icy wind flip turn @ 101spe

[left bobcat]

What type of mon is that?

Oh nvm

[keen quiver]

I know a funny heat wave nerf

[stuck perch]

Who needs to go from this team? I just lost to a Clawitzer with sludge bomb and Farigaraf trick room with dazzling gleam

[next stump]

Anyone know if you withdraw from the GC, can you rejoin before it starts?

Want to make a team change

[graceful scaffold]

i made it to master ball!!!! yippee!!! i have literally never done battles before

i can check for you dillon maybe, i only joined to have fun and get the rewards lol

[graceful scaffold]

yeah u can leave, change team and rejoin :3

[cerulean nacelle]

Congrats dude. Proud of you.

Master ball isn't a small feat. Genuinely. That shows good playing and strategy. Good job.

[graceful scaffold]

helps that my fav mons are broken, ttar chomp and incin :3

also got the advice to use mega fox which i love now too, really works well with EQ chomp and against arch

[timber falcon]

I’ve never met someone with incin as a fav outside of competitive

[graceful scaffold]

i started liking more it coz of competetive hahah broken kitty, i like most pokemon except the mime family

[foggy lodge]

I like it from smash

He is cool there too but its not as good as it is in VGC lol

[graceful scaffold]

i dont like picking faves but ttar is so awesome, never would've thought was good lol barely run into any others in champignons

[cyan smelt]

Kingambit is one of my favs bc of sv and champions

[graceful scaffold]

got a shiny larv in gen 4 and got it the ribbon so its moon ball Avocado the living legend, frightening

[cyan smelt]

Can i assign marks in champions or do i have to do it in another game

[graceful scaffold]

you can assign in champs but u need to get them in other gams

[cyan smelt]

Yeah my gliscor and sneasler are both alphas

[graceful scaffold]

gimme 1

[cyan smelt]

U have plenty of alphas

[stuck perch]

Fix my team

Sub out Froslass for a water type?

[cyan smelt]

Double blizzard isn't too great

[stuck perch]

Yeah ik too many fire, steel and water mons

[winter fox]

People that play stall teams in doubles deserve to have their beds shaken violently

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/VGCVictoryRoad/status/2048871067435909186?s=20

Victory Road VGC (@VGCVictoryRoad)

Week 3 of #PokemonChampions featured The Grand Champions Festival, a free-entry 6,000+ player tournament hosted by @JacobSkraw! 🏆

This is how much it would cost to train the most common used sets for each Pokémon into the Replica Teams featured here! 💸

X · Apr 27, 2026, 9:05 PM

lot of cool teams

that venu team is gross😭

[viscid garnet]

Currently Ultra Ball Rank 4 with this team, the team is very unorthodox but it works SURPRISINGLY well. Trying not to use meta mons, went with using only my favorites.

https://pokepast.es/5f833b96b2d07c73

(Umbreon tanks a max atk sneasler CC btw)

Not sure what i can do about my blastoise set cause he seems to be the weakest member

Tempted to give water pulse over dark pulse given water spout isnt great under full HP, and Umbreon sweeps any phys ghost type (Basc)

[rustic mountain]

i hate the point conversion thing

"this is how much itd cost for blah blah blah" like dude we have the replicas

[cyan smelt]

Gambit on almost every team

[rustic mountain]

top 3 mon of the format

[cyan smelt]

Easily

[viscid garnet]

Gambit do gambit things

[cyan smelt]

What's your top mon tree

Sneasler or zard y?

[rustic mountain]

uhhh

prolly basc

[shadow wind]

Sneasler basc gambit triangle needs to explode

Hate those guys

Actually I really like basc and gambit but I don’t enjoy how dominant they are right now

I now understand why Garchomp is extremely popular right now, either a winning or neutral MU into all 3 of them

[rustic mountain]

id say its good in spite of that, just an added benefit it can do well into those guys

[shadow wind]

True

[rustic mountain]

tho depending on the board state it does not wanna take a cc or wave crash/last respects

[shadow wind]

Garchomp is just a really good mon

[rustic mountain]

even gambit can take an eq or stomping and kotow/sucker for a ko less ur a super bulky chomp ur trading 1:1 most times

[cyan smelt]

I like chomp even though I don't like playing against it

[rustic mountain]

i think its more ground = great offensive coverage whose the best ground type rn? chomp

[shadow wind]

Mega Excadrill 🔥🔥🔥

[rustic mountain]

lmao

as weve seen abilities can make or break a mega

[cyan smelt]

I mean i have seen mold breaker excadrill to check mega delphox

[rustic mountain]

regular exca actually is a solid alternative for ground damage but its not as easily slottable

[cyan smelt]

And rotoms too ig

[dense latch]

tree how did you play csr zama for most if not all of reg i

[rustic mountain]

i was thinkin ppl might start that for that and rotom

[dense latch]

im trying mdb's worlds team rn and i already never wanna touch this duo again after my first mirror match

[rustic mountain]

wdym

mirrors always suck

[shadow wind]

Just run imprison Zama

[rustic mountain]

tho i did get jaded at the end of it

but by then i was just ready for champions and didnt care to jump to another team nor had the time really

[dense latch]

im trying just about anything rn idk what to bring to lima

[shadow wind]

Why is a guy playing SV?

[rustic mountain]

he just said it, lima

[shadow wind]

Oh my bad

[rustic mountain]

have u tried lunala koraidon

[shadow wind]

Lowkey thought that was a team

[dense latch]

not yet

i do know i hate playing against it

[shadow wind]

Now have you tried, Groudon Miraidon?

Asking for a friend of course

[rustic mountain]

id say try that next

if not mirai/cir

kyogre/cir

[dense latch]

i won my first mirror so that's nice

[shadow wind]

No Lunala Korai?

[rustic mountain]

pog, yea like give csr/zama a chance, i just thought it was the best duo originally and stuck it out for comforts sake cuz i had gotten pretty good w/ it

[dense latch]

i think im 5-0 in bo3 sets so far but pretty far down in ladder

[foggy lodge]

I hate all those guys

and like there's very few mons that can atleast trade neutral into them

Like garchomp as you said

[shadow wind]

Mimikyu also trades well into them

Also Maxi do you know how fast Joes Mimikyu was?

I didn’t realize how fast Mimikyu was

[rustic mountain]

good start tho

[forest arrow]

Bro I took a nap after work today and just woke up at 1 am

I’m so screwed lmao

[shadow wind]

Many such cases

Man I hate Archaludon

The guy isn’t even that common

But I’ve ran into like 6 in a row no joke

[rustic mountain]

i think its picking back up

especially after cybertrons latest vid

[forest arrow]

Yeah screens arch is crazy

[shadow wind]

Very unfortunate

[rustic mountain]

nd it did well last weekend

on a similarish comp

[forest arrow]

Pretty sure Aaron ran it for GCF

[molten oasis]

We found a workaround to no av

[forest arrow]

Said Quash was better for all the fast mons cause I think he was on encore before

[molten oasis]

Screens

[cyan smelt]

is that next to sableye

[shadow wind]

Well now my team needs something for it

https://pokepast.es/782ffbd53d9f8a81

Extremely experimental

[timber falcon]

any thoghts on ice punch kangaskhan?

[timber falcon]

why Mimikyu here? As in the role

ghost type i get

[shadow wind]

Allows me to slow down the pace of the game

Also goated typing

And is almost always a prime switch in for a Manectric volt switch

[real prairie]

isn't Mimi missing EVs?

surprised you aren't running mega camerupt Conner

[shadow wind]

Appears so

[shadow wind]

Nah screw that guy

I was changing the evs of Mimikyu and forgot to reinvest

Mega camerupt is just L Torkoal

Rather run the crab

W crab

[cyan smelt]

angry crab

[shadow wind]

I also think Mimikyu is really good right now

[timber falcon]

https://pokepast.es/be31761e5e6a566d first team that im making myself since champions

ive mainly spent my time looking at meta and other kangaskhan teams, are there any weaknesses ive missed?

[shadow wind]

Make sure Kang outspeeds Incin

Like Jolly Incin

And I think I’d recommend sturdy Archaludon

[timber falcon]

people run this?

[cyan smelt]

turbo incin has always been a thing

[timber falcon]

realised this mistake after one game lol, stalwart was too situational

[shadow wind]

Well it’s dumb if your Kang is getting outsped by Incin

And there’s a pretty severe lack of redirection right now

Sinistcha and Maushold are pretty much it

[cyan smelt]

mega scovillain

[shadow wind]

Oh yeah that guy too

[timber falcon]

yeah but idk where to slot them in. the core was Kangaskhan, Farig, Primarina and venasuar. Peli and arch just happened to slot in nicely

id love redirection but do i have space for support?

[shadow wind]

Nah I mean like

You were right in saying stalwart was a bad call

Redirection doesn’t super exist so sturdy is just better

[timber falcon]

ohhhhhhh

[shadow wind]

I think the 6 are probably fine

I like how they look

[timber falcon]

ive played 3 games and won them so im feeling pretty good

[shadow wind]

But I think I’d suggest Basculegion somewhere

Basc is like a top 3 mon right now

But also it might not fit

I just know basc is very strong

[timber falcon]

definitely considered it, but in the end i opted for primarina cause i feel it has great options into the meta rn. i got the inspiration from another kangaskhan team that got top 8 in that grand champ event

if it doesnt work out i might go tw mode with basc instead

[cyan smelt]

i'm wondering if i try coaching sneasler again, coaching into most of my mons sounds really good honestly

[shadow wind]

Depends on the guys

Coaching mega gyarados seems scary

[timber falcon]

this one. But i cannot for the life of me figure out how to pilot

[cyan smelt]

gambit, gliscor, kang, skeledirge, a9 and sneasler is my 6

i'm particularly thinking of coaching into gambit, gliscor or kang

[timber falcon]

whats the game plan for the team?

[shadow wind]

9 times out of 10 you don’t mega Kang

[timber falcon]

it just feels weird running mega zard in tr

[shadow wind]

Well you don’t have to tr

Sneasler Prima and Zard all function outside of it

I don’t quite understand the Prima on that team though

[timber falcon]

even with aero all over the place?

[shadow wind]

Well if they have aero bring tr

[timber falcon]

exactly. Like theres 2 sun setters

[cyan smelt]

well a9 is there for strong blizzards, gliscor is mostly support and anti-sand stuff, sneasler and gambit are just really strong, skeledirge is primarily anti-sneasler and is there to wisp physical attackers

i've got a lot of anti-incin stuff on my team lol

actually kang is the best at dealing with sand

[timber falcon]

not sneasler?

[cyan smelt]

no way, exca is too fast for sneasler

kang got the bulk and destroys ttar with double low kicks

[timber falcon]

true

do you have speed control?

[cyan smelt]

kang is also there to fake out ghosts

yeah gliscor has tw and a9 has icy wind

[timber falcon]

scrappy FO is great

[cyan smelt]

i swear people don't realise what kang can do

they like never protect their ghosts in front of it

[timber falcon]

i think it losing power up punch made people doubt it a lil too much. Its great at support, and double edge hits like a truck

[cyan smelt]

also the parental bond nerf

[timber falcon]

deserved imo. Free choice band off already increasing attack via mega is broken

[cyan smelt]

i'm sad i never got to use it pre nerf, but it's already pretty good

[timber falcon]

yeah i was happy to see it place so high in a tournament

[cyan smelt]

gives me a lot of momentum against mega froslass and basculegion

[timber falcon]

weirdly enough though (and this is why im tr) the top 2 highest kang teams are trick room based

im still trying to figure out why

[timber falcon]

basc is the bane of my existence

[cyan smelt]

maybe because a lot of the format is faster than it

sun, sneasler, basc

mega froslass

[timber falcon]

thats a really good point actually

guess i was just blinded by the aerodactyl core people been using it with

[cyan smelt]

aero is still really solid imo

[timber falcon]

im just not great at using it tbh. Or i just need to work on speed tiers

[cyan smelt]

130 base speed isn't it

[timber falcon]

so many megas/scarfed mons kept outspeeding me when i didnt expect it

no OTS has me second guessing every rotom and garchomp i see

[cyan smelt]

probably best to assume every mid speed tier mon has scarf at this point lol

[timber falcon]

might as well, probably a reason so many just mega it now

[cyan smelt]

let's see, aero is 130, sneasler is base 120, froslass is also 120, gengar is like 130 isn't it

wait i think it's 154

[timber falcon]

crisp 150

does anything outspeed?

[cyan smelt]

tough claws boosted dual wingbeat yowch

[timber falcon]

mega aero actually really good wow

fastest in format

[next dust]

This damn scarfaludon sableye duo is so annoying

But damn is it giving me the unique chance to absolutely wall the thing with Pikachu haha

[real prairie]

Second shiny

[timber falcon]

so its not just a niche strat i ran into

[cyan smelt]

oh yeah i forgot you can look at the recruit thing for free right

[timber falcon]

cybertron or Wolfe im assuming?

[next dust]

Beaten out by a singular Mon. Mega Alakazam

[next dust]

Cybertron

[timber falcon]

they have the same speed dont they?

[timber falcon]

ofc

[cyan smelt]

is this the one with wisp and quash and rain dance sableye

[next dust]

Aero 200 mega zam 222

[timber falcon]

both 150

[cyan smelt]

think i played against it before cybertron featured it

[timber falcon]

i havent seen one with wisp

thank god for that

[cyan smelt]

the one i played against in casuals had rain dance, wisp and quash

[timber falcon]

mine had both screens, rain dance and quash

so it was literally harmless

[cyan smelt]

coaching on sneasler is sounding better by the minute

[timber falcon]

makes me consider brick break on kang if this escalates tho

[next dust]

200 and 222

Lightning rod Pikachu makes it absolutely worthless haha

[timber falcon]

i meant mega aero