Most people speculate that it will keep defiant
#competitive_discussion
inland loom
As one, slow start and defeatist
sudden remnant
truant and defeatist
imagine they unironically gave a pokemon both of those abilities
cerulean nacelle
Tbh I'm starting to suspect that the reason drampa didn't get drizzle is cuz they wanna give it to mega tatsugiri
sudden remnant
😮
cerulean nacelle
Which would actually be a funny way to give it some relevance if they're smart enough to do that.
inland loom
Yesterday I made someone rage quit with araquanid. A wide guarded their meowstic and mega alakazam expanding force spam
sudden remnant
Which would actually be a funny way to give it some relevance if they're smart e...
as one drizzle and commander so it can set the rain and then still combine with dondozo
sudden remnant
and since it would be as one you cant shut it off with neutralizing gas
inland loom
Commander but gives dozo an Omni boost
sudden remnant
thats what commander does anyways
cerulean nacelle
Commander but gives dozo an Omni boost
Commander does that with dozo and better. It gives it a double omni boost lol.
sudden remnant
Does it? I haven’t played competitive since x and y
yes
cerulean nacelle
Yup
To compensate for the fact that tatsugiri can't do anything while in dondozo's mouth
It becomes a 1v2 but you have a double omni boost.
inland loom
And even then I was a teenager and didn’t know what I was doing lol
sudden remnant
That's overkill
overkill but its really funny
would possibly be the single most overpowered mega of all time
wet light
What if each Tatsugiri form gets a different ability based on the effect they have on Order Up
Curly form gets Defiant/Competitive
Droopy form gets Stamina
Stretchy form gets Speed Boost
keen quiver
I fake out on a mega gallade..
🤦
sudden remnant
oof
keen quiver
fake out really is Fucking instincts
sudden remnant
inner focus is a really good ability
keen quiver
inner focus is a really good ability
Anti meta ability alongside with cloud nine
sudden remnant
theres a few anti meta abilities those are just some of them
cerulean nacelle
inner focus is a really good ability
It's alright. Honestly mega gallade may have preferred being altered to have sharpness.
inland loom
Competitive milo went from anti meta to meta
keen quiver
It's alright. Honestly mega gallade may have preferred being altered to have sha...
this
like it use leafd blade on my clawitzer
It didnt kill
so sharpness literally mattered lmao
sudden remnant
Competitive milo went from anti meta to meta
you either die the hero or live long enough to become the villain
cerulean nacelle
this
like it use leafd blade on my clawitzer
It didnt kill
so sharpness literall...
Sharpness boosted sacred sword is a stronger stab than CC without the drawback.
And it means gallade would've had a much more reliable psychic stab rather than zen headbutt
A base 105 power psycho cut is pretty nice considering the critical hit rate.
winter fox
One can dream they change the older mega's abilities in Champions
cerulean nacelle
I'm about to send my shiny basculegions into championssss
winter fox
I can't be the only that thinks Mega Alakazam deserves Psychic Surge instead of Trace right?
inland loom
Mega meow
keen quiver
both of them need a new ability
cerulean nacelle
Sheeeeesh
inland loom
Nice
cerulean nacelle
Male basculegion was evading me for god knows how long.
So this is hella satisfying.
winter fox
Mega meow
Most def. I hope they give it a new ability soon. All of the Z-A mega abilities are so ass.
sudden remnant
both of them need a new ability
true
why the fuck do mega pokemon have trace
what the fuck do i want with that
sudden remnant
Most def. I hope they give it a new ability soon. All of the Z-A mega abilities ...
now that is objectively not true
keen quiver
Crabominable is good
Drampa is good
Golurks is good
Clefable is good
Glimmora's is good as well
sudden remnant
froslass is meta defining, floette is meta defining, dragonite is okay i guess
keen quiver
lmao my lycanroc did not give a shit about mold breaker and 1 tap them anyway 😭
wet light
Scovillain is good
sudden remnant
lmao my lycanroc did not give a shit about mold breaker and 1 tap them anyway 😭
what are you talking about
keen quiver
what are you talking about
the mega gyarados has mold breaker
Lycanroc 1 tapped it 💀
sudden remnant
Scovillain is good
scovillain is a menace to society and needs that ability to be nerfed immediately
keen quiver
scovillain is a menace to society and needs that ability to be nerfed immediatel...
yea no
on the bright side it basically can burn gholdengo lol
rustic mountain
scovillian is in fact good
sudden remnant
guaranteed burn contact or not with access to redirection is a little overpowered
rustic mountain
doesnt need a nerf tho, its fine
keen quiver
doesnt need a nerf tho, its fine
^
beside gholdengo users arent safe anymore
sudden remnant
no that ability is fucking stupid
rustic mountain
its a good ability, its not broken
rustic mountain
its balanced by the fact its defenses arent good to begin w/ so u need to invest to survive and function properly, it has counterplay
rustic mountain
Derbeste's team from Skraw
he released it?
foggy lodge
Yeah on stream
rustic mountain
gotcha
rustic mountain
ill yoink just in case i like non gengar perish
foggy lodge
Cuz you outspeed and kill it
rustic mountain
if its not haban sure
keen quiver
My paste has dragon claw chomp but he had rock tomb
scarf garchomps piss me off
rustic mountain
lemme guess rock slide flinch
keen quiver
earthquake spammers in single as well
rustic mountain
ahhh idk singles really
seemingly a lot of good teams to come out of the weekend
sudden remnant
winter fox
now that is objectively not true
Mega Skarmory having great stats but a terrible ability that doesn't benefit it. Mega Drampa being slow and having no way to utilize Berserk without Trick Room in doubles. Mega Clefable being another Magic Bounce user when it could have gotten Prankster or Misty Surge.
Mega Meowstic having Trace for some god awful reason.
Like the only good megas to come out of Z-A are Floette,Crabominable,and Golurk.
sudden remnant
Like the only good megas to come out of Z-A are Floette,Crabominable,and Golurk.
Froslass????
sudden remnant
Mega Skarmory having great stats but a terrible ability that doesn't benefit it....
you must have never met Mega Beedrill
not all the megas are meant to be outstanding
and also skarmory slander will not be tolerated
and also skarmory can do shenanigans with weak armor and like beat up before mega evolving
and then it cant be redirected and most likely nuke whatever its about to target
winter fox
you must have never met Mega Beedrill
Mega Beedrill actually benefits from its ability.
keen quiver
beedrill is like mid as shit
sudden remnant
cool design, good ability, but its still so fucking bad
sudden remnant
beedrill is like mid as shit
it is. its absolutely trash
winter fox
mega beedril is dogshit
+2 boost from Fell Stinger says Hello
sudden remnant
what boost? everyfucking thing under the sun resists bug
pallid hare
yeah, but mega beedrill still isnt good: bad main offensive type coverage and nonexistent defenses, leading its damage output being limited and being vulnerable to proper revenge killing
keen quiver
+2 boost from Fell Stinger says Hello
you know how obvious mega beedrill strats are in competitive format
pallid hare
bug and poison arent great offensive types
keen quiver
one damn priority move fucks up beedrill as a whole lmao
winter fox
you know how obvious mega beedrill strats are in competitive format
First Impression Mega Beedrill says hello.
sudden remnant
and also bug is resisted by like half the types in the game so what “fell stinger boost” is it getting
sudden remnant
First Impression Mega Beedrill says hello.
when the fuck did they give it first impression and wow it gets 1 turn of usefulness
pallid hare
First Impression Mega Beedrill says hello.
it doesnt learn first impression
sudden remnant
cuz then it cant click it again and its probably already dead
sudden remnant
it doesnt learn first impression
i didnt think so
keen quiver
First Impression Mega Beedrill says hello.
that still aint helping it lmao
sudden remnant
nonetheless, mega beedrill is absolutely fucking dogshit, its not “oh the za megas suck” its “not all megas are created equally”
keen quiver
beside reality wise 80% of megas in comp format be shit lmao
mega evolution is just nothing but "Wow this looks cool"
yet alot of executed poorly things
sudden remnant
cuz if the “za mega suck” was a valid argument mega beedrill would be good, right?
winter fox
All I see is angry people that they got swept by a Mega Beedrill
Cry harder, I love your tears
pallid hare
no, all we see is a troll
sudden remnant
if i ever get swept by a mega beedril im quitting pokemon
cuz at that point i dont deserve to play this game
keen quiver
the ragebait is so obvious
- mega beedrill can't even handle choice scarf mons
winter fox
no, all we see is a troll
No lol. I have actually made contributions here what are you on about. 💀
sudden remnant
that beedril is ass and you’re smoking something trying to make it sound good
dark sorrel
I've fought exactly one mega beedrill in Champions. It didn't sweep.
sudden remnant
ive fought exactly 0
i fought some in natdex on showdown
none of them even came close tho
pallid hare
yeah, I do champions singles and I havent seen a single one
and bear in mind, I'm running a crappy dragon only team
keen quiver
god the palafin switch in form is fucking receding
sudden remnant
you mean…. the “Hero Form”?
keen quiver
yes cause wtf is T H A T
cerulean nacelle
I love mega beedrill. The original min max mon.
But adaptability boosting it's stabs higher still has a big problem. Corv hard walls it.
If I've seen a mega beedrill it's usually doing some stupid thing like being a fast round user for pokemon like sylveon or in singles just being a very gimmicky mon that's either a fast pivot or people are tryna get fell stinger sweeps lmao.
pallid hare
yeah, thats the thing, having high offensive stats means jack when your toolkit is easily dealt with due to its weak offensive capabilities (bug and posion are at best mediocre offensive types for STAB and its coverage moves dont get the adaptability bonus)
cerulean nacelle
It also still doesn't get any coverage to properly deal with corv.
It gets drill run which can at least help against certain pokemon. But still does jackshit to a lotta things.
It's the same issue with mega manectric. On paper it's stats and ability and such are pretty decent. But it's coverage is super lacking.
Especially after losing HP ice.
sudden remnant
its design is so cool but its just so incredibly bad 😭
cerulean nacelle
its design is so cool but its just so incredibly bad 😭
It isn't bad. It's just not worth taking a mega slot.
There are far worse pokemon out there. I'd even dare to say far worse megas.
sudden remnant
and even that cheese with Sylveon it got mogged by chimecho
pallid hare
yeah, if we were talking adaptability pokemon, Lucario and Glimmora are pokemon that work significantly better at it than beedrill
cerulean nacelle
Tbh mega glimmora is basically thriving on the lack of items rn.
pallid hare
fair point
sudden remnant
Tbh mega glimmora is basically thriving on the lack of items rn.
Id like to argue that a lot of Pokémon are
cerulean nacelle
Id like to argue that a lot of Pokémon are
Absolutely. Sneasler is doing great because of the lack of items rn.
Aerodactyl has got super amazing match ups and the positives of turning off people's berries, which is prevelant etc.
Lots of niche things are just a lot more realised.
On my bulky froslass team alone there's 3 berries lmao.
Sitrus on sinistcha
Chople on kingambit
Shuca on incin.
sudden remnant
incineroar is running away with the game again cuz we lost covert cloak and clear amulet
cerulean nacelle
incineroar is running away with the game again cuz we lost covert cloak and clea...
Actually incin is really dropping in usage.
sudden remnant
cuz milotic and cringegambit showed up
cerulean nacelle
Not by like... super drastic amounts. But incin just doesn't fare well into white herb sneasler, or the defiant + competitive pair.
Even with my incin on my team, I gotta be real careful what match ups I bring it into and such.
But the funny thing is the mons that become meta then become targets of anti meta. Then that anti meta becomes meta and they get targeted.
Hence why aegislash is seeing more increase in usage. Sneasler can't do shit to it.
sudden remnant
i hate incineroar so much id choose to run torracat instead if it was available
cerulean nacelle
I'm indifferent to the fire cat but I know why people hate it lmao.
I'm ngl I'm just hating scovillain atm.
sudden remnant
I'm indifferent to the fire cat but I know why people hate it lmao.
they should make torracat legal
i wanna fuck with incineroar users
cuz torracat is for some reason faster than incineroar
cerulean nacelle
cuz torracat is for some reason faster than incineroar
Big muscular cat slower than smaller more athletic cat... yeah I think the reason why is obvious.
Plus it's not the only case of a prevo having much higher stats.
Just look up trapinch and vibrava.
sudden remnant
Plus it's not the only case of a prevo having much higher stats.
Just look up t...
its not vibravas fault trapinch has a base attack stat of 100
zinc edge
I need a sure fire answer to Venusaur bro 😂 aero just doesn't cut it
cerulean nacelle
its not vibravas fault trapinch has a base attack stat of 100
It's not incineroars fault that it trader speed for bulk?
cerulean nacelle
I need a sure fire answer to Venusaur bro 😂 aero just doesn't cut it
Aero + sneasler.
sudden remnant
it is incineroars fault that its a rediculously overused pokemon
cerulean nacelle
it is incineroars fault that its a rediculously overused pokemon
Not really. That's gamefreaks choice. And even with the nerfs it's received its still good.
So idk, just gotta deal.
zinc edge
sudden remnant
good riddance to incin knock off you will not be missed
zinc edge
Would you swap incen for kingambit ?
cerulean nacelle
good riddance to incin knock off you will not be missed
Also lost u turn which makes AV sets a lot weaker.
sudden remnant
Also lost u turn which makes AV sets a lot weaker.
WOOOOOOOO
keen quiver
a-
Flame charge charizard y??
cerulean nacelle
Would you swap incen for kingambit ?
You could do gambit. You could also do maushold to support mega floette, etc.
keen quiver
ok.
sudden remnant
a-
Flame charge charizard y??
i mean sure why not
it doesnt get tailwind anymore 🤷♂️
keen quiver
i mean sure why not
i mean it killed my meowscarada i guess 
cerulean nacelle
a-
Flame charge charizard y??
Wait flame charge zard y?
Literally yesterday we had a chat about flame charge zard X.
At least that shit somewhat makes sense tf is this guy doing.
sudden remnant
i mean it killed my meowscarada i guess <:sideeye:1362814177651065232>
meowscarada is like the definition of a glass cannon
zinc edge
The 3 teams I'm having issues against are perish trap Gengar just the Venusaur on sun teams and sand teams as a whole @cerulean nacelle
keen quiver
shadow sneak gallade.
okay you a bitch
sudden remnant
The 3 teams I'm having issues against are perish trap Gengar just the Venusaur o...
do you have a pokemon with access to low kick
its really good into sand teams
keen quiver
shadow sneak gallade.
okay you a bitch
Woe go my dolphin
cerulean nacelle
shadow sneak gallade.
okay you a bitch
That's more common than you think. Good way to priority kill pokemon and deal really good damage to mega gengar etc.
supple citrus
Guys is Pokemon Home down or is it just an issue with my system rn?
keen quiver
Yeah I have this built to counter sneasler but I never use it
ooo pickpocketing the sneasler
Clever
zinc edge
Yeah plus it's naturally faster than sneasler lmfao 😂
And as long as you get all 3 hits it one shots sneasler and aero with triple axle
supple citrus
Guys is Pokemon Home down or is it just an issue with my system rn?
Nvm lol, now it wants to work
cerulean nacelle
The 3 teams I'm having issues against are perish trap Gengar just the Venusaur o...
Perish trap is just a bit fuckin hard to deal with regardless. Even with incin.
Sneasler + aero pins zard Y + venu so you shouldn't have a problem there.
Sand teams... yeah idk about that. Maybe it's your lack of multiple mons to pair with garchomp to be able to spam EQs? Idk.
zinc edge
The issue is the lack of sleep clause bro it pisses me TF off 👌
And people hitting 3 sleep powders or hypnosis in a row without missing
keen quiver
maushold.
💤
cerulean nacelle
The issue is the lack of sleep clause bro it pisses me TF off 👌
Your fake out should always be going into the venu anyway while aerodactyl sets up tailwind.
If they attack then fair enough, you got the speed advantage and can threaten a kill on venu with dual wingbeat. If they protect, like they should to try and get a sleep powder off, you've faked out the venusaur and then gotten tailwind up.
Even with investment, most zard Ys don't wanna be eating a rock slide.
keen quiver
adaptability sp atk lucario is fun
sudden remnant
true
zinc edge
The issue is a lot of teams having been holding the zard Venusaur on the back end instead of leading them
keen quiver
And people hitting 3 sleep powders or hypnosis in a row without missing
techinally they need to "Nerf" that by removing it from venusaur movepool.
and it not even gonna kill venusaur either way.
cerulean nacelle
The issue is the lack of sleep clause bro it pisses me TF off 👌
And tbf yeah I've had milotic hypnosis matches where I've just had to watch em put my mons to sleep and I've had nothing I could do.
Even worse when they paired it with gravity sableye.
zinc edge
No they just need to add sleep clause into the game
Yeah dude those 60% accurate hypnosis be fucking landing bro I stg
Makes me wanna put electric terrain Jolteon on the team 😂
cerulean nacelle
techinally they need to "Nerf" that by removing it from venusaur movepool.
and i...
If venu lost sleep powder it would be a lot more niche ngl. There's not really an opportunity for it to set up growth to sweep and such. Sleep powder support is keeping chlorophyll venu afloat.
I agree with the sleep clause thing. 1 mon should be allowed to be put to sleep only. Because when amoonguss comes... dear God when amoonguss comes
zinc edge
I don't even want to think about amooongus incen leads rn bro
keen quiver
If venu lost sleep powder it would be a lot more niche ngl. There's not really a...
Yea no it REALLY aint gonna kill venusaur
even mega venusaur is a nice mega to have, in singles or in doubles
cerulean nacelle
Yea no it REALLY aint gonna kill venusaur
even mega venusaur is a nice mega to h...
Mega venu is a good mega. Harder to use in doubles overall but highly slept upon in singles.
The main thing is that when venu loses the utility of sleep, I'd argue there's not much more point using it and probably better off using whims.
cerulean nacelle
Just enough speed to outspeed the 130s... might wanna make that + delphox too.
zinc edge
It's scarfed btw
cerulean nacelle
Can be really good to get that jump on delphox.
cerulean nacelle
It's scarfed btw
I'm aware. This stat spread still is slower than mega delphox.
cerulean nacelle
So maybe make it like 145 ?
Getting it to 137 makes it faster than mega delphox with scarf.
keen quiver
i keep forgetting how ridiculous as shit bellibolt is as an electric type.
cerulean nacelle
If you really wanna keep bulk on it.
zinc edge
Ok should I just max speed to know I outspeed other chomps
zinc edge
Fair
keen quiver
bruh. Dragapult with a beast ball
zinc edge
So we're you suggesting me to run both sneasler and weavile ?
cerulean nacelle
That max speed scarf means you outspeed even the top speed tiers if they're not in tailwind such as mega aero, dragapult, mega gren etc (the last one isn't relevant but it's a high speed tier so thought I'd include it) and you can have the option of tryna win a speed tie against other scarf chomp.
cerulean nacelle
So we're you suggesting me to run both sneasler and weavile ?
I don't think weavile is a particularly great mon rn.
zinc edge
So who would you suggest ?
Possibly another mega for when floettes not a good bring
Maybe kang ?
cerulean nacelle
You could potentially do that. You could try and pair floette with something like maushold for redirection.
You could run a levitate mon or something such as rotom which can deal some ok damage to milotic and maybe do eweb support.
Mega kang is a variable fake out user and pretty strong all in all.
Depends what you think you need.
Also what's ur plan against TR?
zinc edge
The plan against trick room is focus the setter and if that doesn't work I stall with Milo
It's 50/50 at best 😂👌
cerulean nacelle
That's well and good and all. Just gotta note that with removing incin, your ability to deal good damage or stall out TR does become weaker.
zinc edge
How slow is scov?
cerulean nacelle
I'm kinda lucky in the sense that with my current team, there's quite a few slow mons on it already such as kingambit, milotic, sinistcha and incin. So my gameplan is usually to try and set up aurora veil with froslass and then just bash em down.
cerulean nacelle
How slow is scov?
Midling speed tier. Works in TR.
Slower than mega garde ik that much.
zinc edge
He gets rage powder plus auto burns the physical attacker she could help in both cases can't be slept by venu
cerulean nacelle
Yeah, that's an option. Gotta be careful of sludge bombs however.
Also... that doesn't work. Grass types can ignore rage powder.
Venu would just ignore scovillain, attempting to sleep powder ur aero.
zinc edge
Well I meant more ragepowders to protect floette
cerulean nacelle
Well I meant more ragepowders to protect floette
But then you can't mega the floette. And while regular eternal floette isn't awful... it's better when it's mega.
zinc edge
Would a max speed scarfed chomp out speed venu in sun
cerulean nacelle
Would a max speed scarfed chomp out speed venu in sun
Nope.
zinc edge
Fr ?
cerulean nacelle
Chomp is 169 x 1.5 with scarf which = 253
Venu with a timid nature is 146 which is doubled by chlorophyll.
That's 292.
zinc edge
But most venu are bulky now yeah ?
cerulean nacelle
But most venu are bulky now yeah ?
Still that's usually taken away from their offenses.
Not their speed. And most will probably still speed creep popular scarfers like scarf chomp.
cerulean nacelle
Yeah. Most things are killing venu hence why it runs the sash most of all.
Bulky venu just doesn't really tank enough to make it worth running imo.
Those other venu spreads you see are probably mega venu spreads.
Where you actually wanna spec to tank stuff.
zinc edge
Fair and most are still max speed
cerulean nacelle
But yeah it's good to note that whether timid or modest, a max speed venu in sun will always outspeed scarf chomp.
zinc edge
Super fang follow me helping hand protect for maus yeah ?
cerulean nacelle
But yeah back to the mega scovillain thing. Redirection is useful and scovillain is very good at it. But mega scovillain taking the mega slot means it can't support mega floette.
So if you were running scovillain it'd have to be a scovillain mode.
cerulean nacelle
Super fang follow me helping hand protect for maus yeah ?
I believe that's standard.
I've seen some ballsy men run pop bomb or taunt.
Maybe even a few encores.
But friend guard maushold provides a lot of set up opportunity for mega floette.
keen quiver
god damn.
Lycanroc coverage just fucks everyone over lmao
sudden remnant
The plan against trick room is focus the setter and if that doesn't work I stall...
what if both of their Pokémon know trick room
zinc edge
Well if the use it on both mons that's not a problem 🤣
They will just turn it back off
sudden remnant
but how will you know theyre both going for it
or which one is and which one isny
zinc edge
@cerulean nacelle I think I need a special attacker other than floette ?in the incen spot
cerulean nacelle
or which one is and which one isny
In general leading 2 mons like that is a huge momentum sink. Not worth doing overall.
sudden remnant
ive done it and won
cerulean nacelle
ive done it and won
I'm not saying it's impossible to do. I'm just saying typically it's a momentum sink.
cerulean nacelle
<@1132252337507934269> I think I need a special attacker other than floette ?in ...
Like what?
cerulean nacelle
They are. But also gengar can KO mega froslass with shadow ball I believe.
sudden remnant
Ghost are immune to shadow tag yeah ?
they are indeed
ghost types are immune to any and all trapping effects
zinc edge
Plus it might bait a shadow ball ?
sudden remnant
i wonder if anyone is running perish trap with forest curse trevenant
zinc edge
What's faster mega fros or mega geng
cerulean nacelle
Mega gengar
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sudden remnant
gengar by 10 base points
zinc edge
Mega geng or aero ?
cerulean nacelle
Mega geng or aero ?
Base aero is the same speed. Mega aero is 150. The current quickest mega.
sudden remnant
isnt mega alakazam also base 150
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cerulean nacelle
isnt mega alakazam also base 150
It is. I was more on about relevant megas. Though yes I should be specific.
zinc edge
Well they all get outspeed by a thunder waving set of keys so
sudden remnant
prankster is not “outspeeding”
cerulean nacelle
It does slightly vex me how the bolt of lightning mega manectric is slower than mega alakazam... a man with a fuckload of spoons and psychic abilities.
sudden remnant
its a seperate priority bracket
sudden remnant
It does slightly vex me how the bolt of lightning mega manectric is slower than ...
its interesting you use that specific term 😁
Vex is my name 😝
zinc edge
Lmfao 😂 I meant after than thunder wave 🤣👌
cerulean nacelle
Vex is my name 😝
That is quite the coincidence lmao
sudden remnant
Lmfao 😂 I meant after than thunder wave 🤣👌
isnt klekfi like base 70 speed or smthn
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
HOLY SHIT IM GOATED
cerulean nacelle
75... faster than I thought for a pair of keys.
sudden remnant
they hire a car to give them a lift and it makes them fast
zinc edge
Yeah which just so happens to be half of 150 so my bad he speed ties after the wave
sudden remnant
thats not quite how that would work
cerulean nacelle
Yeah which just so happens to be half of 150 so my bad he speed ties after the w...
Not necessarily? In what world are you running max speed timid klefki? Lmao.
zinc edge
Lmfao 😂 fair enough
sudden remnant
so the way base stats works is at max ivs your stat at level 50 should be your base stat +20
keen quiver
Gen 10 were probably gonna have moves that prevent players from using Stab moves
zinc edge
No thanks @keen quiver
gentle cragBOT
No thanks <@851638168943329361>
darkxchroma has given 1 Gen Rep to dualityconcealed
cerulean nacelle
Gen 10 were probably gonna have moves that prevent players from using Stab moves
Where did this come from lmao
sudden remnant
Gen 10 were probably gonna have moves that prevent players from using Stab moves
next your gonna tell me there will be a pokemon that can apply multiple status conditions at the same time
zinc edge
There is that yeah ?
sudden remnant
imagine being burned poison paralyzed confused asleep frozen and infatuated
youd unlock the minecraft achievement “how did we get here?”
zinc edge
If you count flinch as a status that lasts one turn
cerulean nacelle
next your gonna tell me there will be a pokemon that can apply multiple status c...
Technically dire claw has the chance to apply 3 in 1 turn. It's just only 1 of them can happen lmao.
sudden remnant
thats not what i said
cerulean nacelle
I know I'm just being pedantic for the lols
zinc edge
Can't the fang moves do their status and flinch in the same turn so if you count flinch as a 1 turn status then yeah it just only has a 1% chance of happening 🤣
cerulean nacelle
Tbh I wanna see the fang and punch moves buffed.
sudden remnant
i want the fang moves to be 100% accurate
zinc edge
Fr dude the fangs should be 80bp with a 15 or 20 % of the affects and punches should 90bp
cerulean nacelle
I want the fang moves to go to 75BP, keeping their other chances.
I want the elemental punches to be 80BP.
Maybe 85BP on the elemental punches at a push.
zinc edge
I think the punches should match their respective special attack version tbf
sudden remnant
85 bp punching moves means i can finally run thunderpunch on meowscarada without getting yelled at
sudden remnant
You know the 90bp thunderbolt ice beam and flamethrower
they used to be 95 i think
zinc edge
No only flamethrower was I think and that got changed when they added heatwave ?
cerulean nacelle
You know the 90bp thunderbolt ice beam and flamethrower
Eh, the only one that really would matter is thunder punch. There's other good coverages for those other types.
Whereas supercell slam and wild charge both suck for physical electric types.
sudden remnant
i think thunderbolt was too and it got nerfed with paralysis going into gen 6??
i think??
cerulean nacelle
But I think going to a solid base 80/85, especially so iron fist pokemon aren't benefitting too much.
zinc edge
But I think going to a solid base 80/85, especially so iron fist pokemon aren't ...
Fair
keen quiver
starting to see why unseen fist existed with the amount of people using blocking moves lol
zinc edge
I feel like paralysis is in a very bad spot rn
sudden remnant
please buff thunderpunch i want to punch stuff with my magical wizard cat
sudden remnant
I feel like paralysis is in a very bad spot rn
i mean 1/8 chance to full para is quite a big nerf
zinc edge
Prankster thunderwave used to be a problem it's not even a thought anymore
cerulean nacelle
80BP is also a solid baseline of a lot of spammable moves such as dark pulse, shadow ball etc.
sudden remnant
i mean i could run thunderpunch regardless just its quite weak
cerulean nacelle
Prankster thunderwave used to be a problem it's not even a thought anymore
Full para was a big pull. Especially with flinch on top. It's just not nearly as oppressive.
zinc edge
I'm gonna try twave keys and chomp 🤣 just for old times sake 😂
cerulean nacelle
i mean i could run thunderpunch regardless just its quite weak
Yeah the whole point was tryna give the moves a subtle buff.
Many types have very all or nothing moves. No in between. Look at special type flying moves. You're either using hurricane or air slash. Unless you're a special boi and have your own move.
zinc edge
Aeroblast 🤣
sudden remnant
physical electric and physical fairy especially have it rough
(get it? play rough?)
zinc edge
Play rough you mean
cerulean nacelle
physical electric and physical fairy especially have it rough
Lmao
Physical electric and special flying are rough.
Physical fairy could be better but isn't awful.
sudden remnant
Volt tackle Jolteon ?
let them cook bro
cerulean nacelle
Physical psychic got better over the years with the inclusion of psychic fangs.
sudden remnant
psycho cut is decent too
zinc edge
Zen headbut baby
sudden remnant
zen headbutt is ummmmmmmm lets move on
cerulean nacelle
Psycho cut is only good on a sharpness mon.
zinc edge
Zen headbutt is ok bro 😂 don't die on the smart man willing to smack you with his best asset
sudden remnant
zen headbutt is so underwhelming and why tf is that shit inaccurate
cerulean nacelle
I'm not saying zen headbutt is amazing. It's pretty meh. But it follows the trend like icicle crash. Strong move, flinch chance, chance to miss etc.
zinc edge
Dude don't tell milotic that accuracy matters
sudden remnant
i wish i could get the pikachu belle in any game other than oras
clear mango
If it isn't 100%, it is 50%.
sudden remnant
imagine an icicle crash pikachu in this meta
zinc edge
Imagine zippy zapp Pikachu 🤣
sudden remnant
that’s exclusive to the lets go games we will never get that
sudden remnant
still imagine how good an icicle crash pikachu would be
cerulean nacelle
If it isn't 100%, it is 50%.
Nahhh if YOURS isn't 100% it's 50%.
If the opponents is 50% it's actually 150%
sudden remnant
light ball icicle crash pikachu 
cerulean nacelle
still imagine how good an icicle crash pikachu would be
Still pretty underwhelming. That pikachu is dying.
zinc edge
Facts he's getting faked out on God i
sudden remnant
Still pretty underwhelming. That pikachu is dying.
tailwind/redirection partnerwith light ball
zinc edge
Have y'all ran into the kang that only runs 2 moves ?
sudden remnant
Facts he's getting faked out on God i
id like to menttion pikachu gets fake out
clear mango
The humble Earthquake
sudden remnant
Have y'all ran into the kang that only runs 2 moves ?
i ran into a komala that only had 2 moves
clear mango
Fake Out + Last Resort, the classic.
sudden remnant
i think it was a komala
cerulean nacelle
tailwind/redirection partnerwith light ball
Even then, I don't think pikachu is gonna be all that viable. Spread moves exist. EQ + flying/levitating mons exist.
zinc edge
I don't think that's in champs ?
sudden remnant
i think im thinking of ultra sun cuz i was playing that yesterday
cerulean nacelle
Fake Out + Last Resort, the classic.
Saw a kang with that.
thanks wolfeglick
gentle cragBOT
Saw a kang with that.
*thanks wolfeglick*
diobrando8256 has given 1 Gen Rep to endless.sorcerer
sudden remnant
lmao
zinc edge
I saw Wolfe on the leaderboards last night he was in 2nd by like 2 points lol
cerulean nacelle
I got to master rank and that's all I cared about really. Don't rlly think I have the time to yet to champion atm.
cerulean nacelle
I want the tag so bad
I just wanna get my 100 battles done with froslass so I can become a froslass professor lmao.
What a title.
zinc edge
Good luck g 🤞
cerulean nacelle
Good luck g 🤞
I'm not that far off I believe.
zinc edge
Do we know if they are adding more mons when this season is over ?
I would imagine the rest of the new megas are coming at least yeah
cerulean nacelle
And tbh mega froslass is my new favourite mega from using it in this early champions format.
So even if it falls into obscurity (which I doubt), I'll always rep froslass.
clear mango
I'd assume so. Likely get the rest of the megas.
sudden remnant
I just wanna get my 100 battles done with froslass so I can become a froslass pr...
i wanna be the manectric professor. imagine my aura fr
cerulean nacelle
i wanna be the manectric professor. imagine my aura fr
Better get to work then
zinc edge
I want my swampy boi so bad rn on God
clear mango
One battle off Politoed tamer. Love that little guy.
zinc edge
I feel like he would be really good in this meta
sudden remnant
Better get to work then
id probably be the only person with the title too cuz who tf else is running manectric
clear mango
Pelipper is a false prophet.
cerulean nacelle
One battle off Politoed tamer. Love that little guy.
I'd like him more if he wasn't just also part of hard perish trap gimmicks most of the time.
cerulean nacelle
id probably be the only person with the title too cuz who tf else is running man...
I was thinking about making rain with mega manectric as the mega.
Or at least as a secondary.
sudden remnant
I was thinking about making rain with mega manectric as the mega.
i remember you told me earlier
clear mango
If I'm using Perish Song on him, I'm using Helping Hand. No need for Shadow Tag if you have nothing left to switch to.
sudden remnant
and i said i use mine in a fake sun team
zinc edge
I tried it and wasn't in love even used my shiny one
cerulean nacelle
I tried it and wasn't in love even used my shiny one
Who? Poli?
zinc edge
cerulean nacelle
Ohhhh. Well that's a very weird moveset.
zinc edge
I messed around with it a lot couldn't find a great set for it
cerulean nacelle
For rain I'd probably run thunder, volt switch, snarl, protect.
Or maybe forego volt switch and run a support move like light screen if I really felt the need.
cerulean nacelle
I also have a shiny one. And it's alpha.
sudden remnant
zinc edge
Dude I have so many shinys from most of the recent games lol what you need big dawg
cerulean nacelle
I might also have a spare electrike
This reminds me I wanna get shiny alpha tyranitar from ZA.
tiny karmaBOT
zinc edge
I have shiny living from Arceus bdsp s/v and za
sudden remnant
anyone got one of these 🥺
zinc edge
No sun and moon mons unfortunately sir
cerulean nacelle
Sorry, no araquanids. If you have ZA tho @sudden remnant I have 2 spare shiny electrikes
cerulean nacelle
wasnt araquanid in sv
Twas in the indigo disk dlc
Anyway do you want a shiny elektrike yes or no
sudden remnant
yay im not crazy
sudden remnant
Anyway do you want a shiny elektrike yes or no
YES PLEASE
whatchu want for it gang
cerulean nacelle
whatchu want for it gang
I got 2 spares and I've got my own shiny alpha manectric. I don't care lol. But send me a trade code in DMs.
sudden remnant
in a bit im doing closing stuff at work rn
cerulean nacelle
in a bit im doing closing stuff at work rn
U might have to wait laterer then. It's 3 in the morning for me rn.
zinc edge
I don't buy dlcs so it was but I don't have it
sudden remnant
U might have to wait laterer then. It's 3 in the morning for me rn.
no rush gangey
araquanid was in the blueberry academy dlc you said?
might have to hunt one rq
rq i say like it isnt most likely gonna take me a week
cerulean nacelle
araquanid was in the blueberry academy dlc you said?
Yep.
zinc edge
Bro just make a Sammy and you'll find it in 10 mins 🤣
zinc edge
Say what 🤯
sudden remnant
i work full time bro i aint got time for that 😭
i guess that wouldnt make me “lazy” just “busy”
cerulean nacelle
i don’t have the shiny charm
Even without that a charm will help you out. They spawn in a very specific location too so making a bug sandwich should isolate em easily enough.
(Though I havent hunted araquanid shiny so don't quote me on it)
sudden remnant
then half my team will be shiny and half will not
wait i have a shiny whimsicott somewhere 4/6ths would be shiny
sudden remnant
i sont have a shiny sneasler a shiny meowscarada or a shiny zoroark
sneasler is replacing zoroark
cerulean nacelle
I ironically have all 3 of those shiny.
cerulean nacelle
I got the shiny sneasler the more annoying way too because I wanted it in a moon ball. I bred for it in SV.
sudden remnant
just give the sneasel/weavile an everstone
or the sneasler if you used a sneasler
cerulean nacelle
That's not what I mean lol. The easier way would be to technically hunt it in arceus. Very high odds there.
But I wanted it in a moon ball. Hence why I bred for it.
sudden remnant
the only shiny ive ever bred for was my hatterene
i am not excited to repeat that experience
it took me 3 weeks
cerulean nacelle
You're talking to someone who has literally hundreds of shinies, both bred and caught by other methods. I know to give a regional form an everstone to make sure it stays in that form haha.
sudden remnant
using the masuda method
cerulean nacelle
And tbh yeah I don't blame you. Breeding sucks in SV. I used it to recently ish get a shiny aqua breed tauros.
sudden remnant
i could hunt for a shiny meow and sneasler but i am not keen to repeat my hatenna sufferings
cerulean nacelle
Only way to get a shiny meowscarada atm is masuda.
Sneasler you can hunt in PLA.
cerulean nacelle
Fair.
Honestly the struggle of split gender evolution hit me.
I got 3 shiny female basculins before I got the male one for male basculegion.
Still I've had way worse shiny hunts.
sudden remnant
i have a shiny male basculegion
sudden remnant
my buddy paul gave me one for a 0 speed 31 attack calyrex
cerulean nacelle
That's pretty cool
God that's something I'm gonna have to do... shiny hunting legends...
sudden remnant
the only shiny legends i want are latias and suicune
cerulean nacelle
Box art ones at that... Ugh they're so annoying in dynamax adventures.
cerulean nacelle
the only shiny legends i want are latias and suicune
I've got both of those.
sudden remnant
😢
cerulean nacelle
Even before ZA I actually shiny hunted both latios and latias
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
does the shiny color not change??
tiny karmaBOT
cerulean nacelle
I have tons of shiny legends and such...
I've got moltres and zapdos
I've got all 3 legendary beasts
I've got cress, heatran and darkrai
I've got azelf
I've got thundurus and landorus
Tbh I'm not the biggest fan of shiny mega latios/latias
sudden remnant
oh there we go theres my goated dragon
sudden remnant
Tbh I'm not the biggest fan of shiny mega latios/latias
WHAT 😭
latias is like my favorite mega
cerulean nacelle
WHAT 😭
Green is really hard to pull off and their original colour palettes were so much better.
Their original shiny palettes are also top tier. Whereas this radioactive green is a 5/10 at best for me personally.
cerulean nacelle
As the other saying goes, "get your own damn controller" 🤣
Something I do find funny is how many people have actually tried reporting me because I have a shiny darkrai
sudden remnant
As the other saying goes, "get your own damn controller" 🤣
ive only been trying since 2022 to get a shiny latias
keen quiver
latias is like my favorite mega
They Green asf
sudden remnant
They Green asf
is there a problem with that?
cerulean nacelle
ive only been trying since 2022 to get a shiny latias
That's rough.
If it makes you feel better, I love thundurus therian and wanted a shiny thundurus therian.
If took me 8 months of hunting.
My longest hunt to this day.
sudden remnant
a little bit but uh… 3 years is slightly longer than 8 months
cerulean nacelle
a little bit but uh… 3 years is slightly longer than 8 months
Depends. What game u hunting it on.
sudden remnant
swsh
cerulean nacelle
Fair. I was hunting thundurus on SwSh with the shiny charm.
That's 1/100 odds.
I went more the 5 times over odds. Which is highly unlikely.
keen quiver
Ditto users when they get Countered by a focus sash
cerulean nacelle
That reminds me I need to shiny hunt tornadus.
Gots to get me the OP motherfuckin tailwinder at some point. Complete the trio.
sudden remnant
i gotta pray i can end my latias hunt soon
and then i gotta start another save and hunt a shiny suicune
(yay me) 😭
keen quiver
OH THANK GOD MY NINETALES OUTSPED THAT CHARIZARD X.
sudden remnant
isnt shiny suicune just a less saturated shade of blue
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
kind of
tiny karmaBOT
keen quiver
First Gay Pokemon to exist
sudden remnant
take that back rn
my leopard did nothing to you
and if it did its not guilty cuz i say its not
keen quiver
my leopard did nothing to you
no cause that a grown as Gay man right there
sudden remnant
suicune is female and also its slaying
thats not being gay
and even if suicune is gay/lesbian who cares
dont disrespect my leopard
isnt it strange that i like HO battle style but my favorite legendaries are all bulky
suicune latias and verizion
keen quiver
ugh why did they add a chance where protect can work for a 2nd time after being used for the first time.
genuinely remove that shit
keen quiver
literally remove that as well.
Prevent umbreon stallers from single
sudden remnant
am i the only person not using umbreon as stall?
keen quiver
I wouldnt even use umbreon as a stall
Its so predictable too lmao
sudden remnant
i have yawn but i use it supportively not to stall
i dont run either protect or detect (umbreon gets both)
keen quiver
i dont run either protect or detect (umbreon gets both)
looks like i know whats getting nerfed in the very first champions patch note
sudden remnant
x to doubt
sudden remnant
literally remove that as well.
Prevent umbreon stallers from single
wait youre talking about singles?
i can trade my mega latias from alpha sapphire to my Y
thats neat
keen quiver
oh my fucking god the Unburden bypassed choice scarf sigh
sudden remnant
unburden: 200% speed.
scarf: 150% speed
keen quiver
oh yea i forgot toxapex is in this game
sudden remnant
keen quiver
yeaa might have to nerf him next...
keen quiver
this game is gonna be active and have season so
Toxapex not getting nerfed would be impossible lmao
sudden remnant
it hasnt been nerfed in 10 years
i doubt theyre gonna start now
what game did riolu/lucario lose follow me
cuz they get it in gen 6
gen 8
sudden remnant
No only flamethrower was I think and that got changed when they added heatwave ?
i just checked and all 3 of them were 95 bp in gens 1-5
they all got nerfed going in to gen 6
next dust
I thought protect and detect shared the same system
So you had a chance to fail if you swapped to the other
sudden remnant
yes
next dust
Then why does having both matter?
next dust
Which makes it different because...
sudden remnant
it cant be imprisoned out of it
sudden remnant
protect can be imprisoned
tiny karmaBOT
foggy lodge
they are the same thing but detect used to have a niche because it had less pps so encore would end sooner if you get encored on it
Also most Pokémon that run imprison dont have detect so its niche for that too
sudden remnant
why does togekiss learn detect
foggy lodge
But its the exact same thing you can run one or the other one and nothing changes in 99% of cases
next dust
Got it
sudden remnant
scratch that why does WYRDEER learn detect
next dust
Because wyrdeer is goated
sudden remnant
you mean.... deered?
next dust
The pun was there. But I refuse to stoop that low
sudden remnant
i could never ignore a pun just handed to me like that
next dust
Use wyrdeer in vgc. As soon as he's thrown into the battle fetty wap starts playing out of nowhere
sudden remnant
lmao
keen quiver
okay so mega victrebell is just used for its ability cause it gets 1 tap easily lmao
sudden remnant
sudden remnant
okay so mega victrebell is just used for its ability cause it gets 1 tap easily ...
literal trash can. arguably worse than mega beedrill
next dust
Access to intimidate, good bulk, sets trick room, can skill swap
sudden remnant
what?
next dust
Wyrdeer 🔛 🔝
sudden remnant
oh youre talking abou the deer lmao
i thought you meant beedrill and i was really confused
next dust
I've used him as a tr setter and he isn't terrible for that
But anything else
👎
If they raised psyshield bash to a 100 hit I'd use it more tbh
sudden remnant
x to doubt
tiny karmaBOT
keen quiver
ass
next dust
70/90 physical psychic move
And now you see where they let him down
tiny karmaBOT
next dust
If that one move was better than it is, he would be used more often
sudden remnant
genuinely use this, same accuracy for 10 more bp
next dust
Yes
sudden remnant
90% of the time
next dust
If that move was 100% accurate
sudden remnant
cuz ts can miss
sudden remnant
just curious does wyrdeer get stomp
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
65 base speed its not even fast enough to use stomp efficiently
sudden remnant
can't wait till they kill stall more with patch note 💔
im sorry to tell you i dont think thats gonna happen
keen quiver
im sorry to tell you i dont think thats gonna happen
youll never know what they'll do with patch notes.
random buffs and random nerfs lmao
sudden remnant
im not saying its impossible
next dust
That would be a no
sudden remnant
im just cynical that theyre gonna nerf stall any time soon
my name is cynical for a reason
next dust
No stomp but good coverage
next dust
It isn't terrible
sudden remnant
65 base speed
next dust
It just isn't great without that 100
Int+def buff is insane if it can hit all the time
next dust
He gets intimidate
sudden remnant
thats what i said
next dust
Plus def buff to himself
From hitting psyshield
Which is why 100 acc is so important to make him great
sudden remnant
Which is why 100 acc is so important to make him great
gravity exists
rustic mountain
next dust
gravity exists
Could pair him with sableye
next dust
Yep
sudden remnant
not having stomp is sad icl
rustic mountain
https://x.com/flbreglass/status/2047291613513134457?s=20
sudden remnant
https://x.com/flbreglass/status/2047291613513134457?s=20
wtf
next dust
Lmaoooo
sudden remnant
there is no difference between this picture and this picture
rustic mountain
i dont really necessarily agree that rain sucks atm but it is tru, playing zard does feel like night and day
next dust
Other than weather swapped
dense latch
cant relate im playing reg i rn
rustic mountain
in comparison to other megas ive been playing
sudden remnant
i dont really necessarily agree that rain sucks atm but it is tru, playing zard ...
you mean day and sunny day?
next dust
Can't relate I play hyper offense gengar
foggy lodge
cmon erik tryhard lima
rustic mountain
cant relate im playing reg i rn
im so sorry
dense latch
cmon erik tryhard lima
im trying hirofumi's worlds team but smeargle wont lock in
sudden remnant
https://x.com/flbreglass/status/2047291613513134457?s=20
i wonder if theres a post of this between sand and snow
dense latch
not a single speed boost outside of tr but oh the second i set it up guess what moody decides to do
i guess it's the game i choose to play but man could i use some luck
sudden remnant
isnt smeargle uncomfortably fast for tr
sudden remnant
then again ogerpon was used in tr and shes 35 points faster by default
dense latch
the team has max speed smeargle but im usually targeting zama, pao, csr, etc with smeargle
foggy lodge
im trying hirofumi's worlds team but smeargle wont lock in
I forgot that team just won a regional lmao
dense latch
i took your advice
keen quiver
Temper flare gyarados?
ok.
dense latch
use whatever wins prague lol
sudden remnant
Temper flare gyarados?
ok.
im sorry what?
dense latch
yea it's a shame bc i had my eyes on that team before prague too
rustic mountain
if ur comfortable w/ it fuck it
dense latch
im still pretty lost tho it has been pretty fun but i havent done enough testing
tiny karmaBOT
dense latch
just bo1 on a fresh acct
next dust
I should try sableye and bridge out
sudden remnant
what the fuck is all of this
sudden remnant
I should try sableye and bridge out
gravity psyshield bash trust
bold geode
Ruination is cool but that Smeargle also relies a bit on luck
Imagine HAVING to play Reg I
Couldn't be me
rustic mountain
lol
sudden remnant
oh its fire type stomping tantrum
keen quiver
choice scarf basculegions users are so desperate to keep it alive just for something to be Knock-off foddered
bold geode
Honestly I haven't thought about even touching SV again even to like help people with Reg I stuff
sudden remnant
i cant play sv anymore im so done with reg I vgc
bold geode
Haven't needed to help anyone with that format and like honestly gun to my head I couldn't help ya with that format anymore LOL
foggy lodge
If ladder was reg G i would ladder in game sv
rustic mountain
i recently played sv to get another gambit shiny and tried to get a white stripe basculin outbreak otherwise just been using the game for training mons b4 transferring em to champions
foggy lodge
But its reg I so not thanks
sudden remnant
ive been enjoying the format in champions
im actually able to use pokemon i fucking like
bold geode
im actually able to use pokemon i fucking like
My favorite Pokemon is Sneasler
sudden remnant
im sure it is
rustic mountain
bold geode
And Basculegion and Kingambit and Floette and Aerodactyl and all those guys
Love them
rustic mountain
exactly
sudden remnant
and a certain cat with intimidate fake out and parting shot?
bold geode
I love that argument of "use your favorites" like yeah bro I love whatever lets me win
rustic mountain
wen ur favorites are also good >>
keen quiver
and a certain cat with intimidate fake out and parting shot?
Twin i got my Temu incineroar 🥹
rustic mountain
ive had quite a few mons become my favs just by using em cuz they r meta, which i otherwise mightve not liked em
bold geode
Maybe I need to hate the Pokemon that let me win
foggy lodge
wen ur favorites are also good >>
bold geode
Maybe I lose cuz they know I love them
sudden remnant
Twin i got my Temu incineroar 🥹
i also have a temu incineroar. (mega manectric has intimidate lmao)
foggy lodge
but its not in the game rn
rustic mountain
https://tenor.com/view/scream-tail-screamtail-scream-tail-pokemon-gif-1342336440...
oh god hahaha
foggy lodge
and its lowkey a fraud in reg I
rustic mountain
scream tail is a tough mon to use well
bold geode
My favorite mega in the game is washed inshallah
sudden remnant
scream tail is goated\
rustic mountain
My favorite mega in the game is washed inshallah
chandelure?
bold geode
chandelure?
Yeah its so cooked dawg
sudden remnant
My favorite mega in the game is washed inshallah
rustic mountain
wolfey did a vid onnit and won a few games, it doesnt seem horrible just tough af to position
dense latch
a few of my favorite pokemon have come from me having fun with them in comp
keen quiver
chandelure aint bad lmao
rustic mountain
chandelure isnt good
sudden remnant
its not bad its just not good
rustic mountain
yep
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I'd say Chandelure is pretty solid honestly
I could see a world where like it is good at some point but RN is not that point
rustic mountain
dude infiltrator 
if only it had a better ability
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Honestly the ability is meh but like the stats bro
sudden remnant
And Basculegion and Kingambit and Floette and Aerodactyl and all those guys
my team contains exactly 1 of those relevant pokemon 🧑🦯
rustic mountain
grats
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Look at Mega Chandelure's stats
rustic mountain
yea
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Those stats are unholy tbh
rustic mountain
its got an insane sp atk stat
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Those are great stats but like
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Imo it's not the fact it got Infiltrator that makes it bad cuz like
More screens in the game and we might cook low-key
sudden remnant
60 hp 110 in both defenses. thats quite good, no?
rustic mountain
u know wat it is tho? fire megas that are weak to sucker + basc have a tough time as is, i like my mega setting sun dealing heaps of damage and not have to worry about sucker punch mind games
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It's the fact that you look at the meta and you got
Basculegion
Garchomp
Kingambit
Aerodactyl
Incineroar
Like the meta is just not great at all for Chandelure
rustic mountain
yea
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Hell honestly you know what would help Chandelure out a fuck ton
sudden remnant
u know wat it is tho? fire megas that are weak to sucker + basc have a tough tim...
the charizard y propaganda has consumed you
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Literally one Amoonguss
foggy lodge
being weak to 4/6 top mons makes you lowkey unplayable
rustic mountain
i would watch wolfeys vids tho, like it is wolfey but he played some pretty high laddered games and won w/ it i think u might enjoy it
keen quiver
My mudsdale be eating incineroars and kingambits for breakfast ☕
sudden remnant
My mudsdale be eating incineroars and kingambits for breakfast ☕
MUDSDALE IS IN CHAMPIONS????
dense latch
chandelure kinda pays for the crimes the better fire types in the format are commiting
keen quiver
MUDSDALE IS IN CHAMPIONS????
yes
and hes good in trick rooms
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chandelure kinda pays for the crimes the better fire types in the format are com...
That
rustic mountain
lmao
sudden remnant
WHY TF DID NO ONE TELL ME MY GOAT WAS IN THE GAME (horse?)
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Y'know what pisses me off
They wouldn't put Amoonguss in the game
And yet we got fucking Emolga
rustic mountain
i just found from using delphox and now zard like, the difference in how u can play it is so much better
sudden remnant
And yet we got fucking Emolga
what is this slander
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Like who the fuck is using Emolga dawg
sudden remnant
me
rustic mountain
like wait i can bring my fire type into rain and win out if i position well enough? cool
rustic mountain
relax
sudden remnant
you didnt know that already?
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like wait i can bring my fire type into rain and win out if i position well enou...
Idk about Delphox in Rain
Zard Y do hit in that shit though
But it's ok
Cuz I found me a new favorite
rustic mountain
my point is its usually unbringable into rain whereas zard doesnt hav that issue, chandelure does as well
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I really enjoy the dinosaur Waltuh
I wanna try Mega Fera
I saw Wolfe use Fera on a Tailroom team and deadass before he did that I imagined it'd be on a Tailroom team
rustic mountain
it was one of the reasons i swapped off mega stoise, im like i cant b losing to ferilgatr man
foggy lodge
today i faced a mega fera and ngl if i didn't have freeze dry ninetales it would have farmed me
after a ddance i wouldn't have been able to kill it lmao
sudden remnant
im considering joining the mega zard agenda but i still wanna use my manectric. and also i dont wanna use venusaur
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I wanna try Mega Fera but the thing is like
rustic mountain
after a ddance i wouldn't have been able to kill it lmao
yea ddance +sini destroyed stoise
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It's sort of like Meganium where if you have a second mega and you're gonna use the other mega
Then Fera just is a dead slot 
Also can I just say
I feel so bad for Mega Kangaskhan
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Thing is like
Kang ain't even bad tbh
forest arrow
It had its time and I didn’t get to use it
sudden remnant
kang deserves every horrible thing that has and will ever happen to it
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It's just like
Kang can't carry games on its own anymore
rustic mountain
It had its time and I didn’t get to use it
shoulda played sooner 
forest arrow
H8r
rustic mountain
(i also did not get to play og kang)
forest arrow
But true
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Kangaskhan is now that one uncle that swears he could've gotten in the league if not for the knee injury
forest arrow
I do wish I got into it sooner such a shame
sudden remnant
Kangaskhan is now that one uncle that swears he could've gotten in the league if...
rustic mountain
eh same but we r here now
rustic mountain
Kangaskhan is now that one uncle that swears he could've gotten in the league if...
i mean in the case of it actually being tru then yes, kang was a monster pre nerf
it got power punch taken away and an ability damage nerf
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I think what's done it in fully isn't even the PUP or the Parental Bond nerf
But it also lost Return
forest arrow
Bros gotta be the only normal type to not get work up
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It lost Return which is just so bad for it
keen quiver
yea that player mad.
vaccum wave adaptability 1 tap its kingambit lmao
sudden remnant
But it also lost Return
fake out last resort trust
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BUT HONESTLY LIKE Y'KNOW WHAT
rustic mountain
wolfeys been running that on a cppl kang sets
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Fuck it, I'll take a stronger Kang
sudden remnant
wolfeys been running that on a cppl kang sets
i mean if it works it works, right?
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IF WE CAN JUST GET RID OF THE FUCKASS CHILIS
sudden remnant
red hot chili peppers made some good songs why would we wanna get rid of them
rustic mountain
u jus asked b4 about nerfing scovillian
so clearly theres some peppers u dont like
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scov is such a surprise
That ability is carrying it so fucking hard
rustic mountain
i mean, yea
sudden remnant
red hot chili peppers is a band 😔
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It pisses me off so much
keen quiver
ah yes go charizard Y on a tough claw lycanroc with priority.
forest arrow
Charizard weatherball delete button
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Cuz like
- You just gotta accept that something is getting burned
rustic mountain
red hot chili peppers is a band 😔
ik i was makin a joke off of urs
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And then 2 which makes me hate it EVEN MORE
Some fuckass twerps
Will DELAY THE MEGA
TO GET MOODY BOOSTS
sudden remnant
ik i was makin a joke off of urs
i really do think mega scovs ability should be nerfed immediately
that shit is so rediculously stupid
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LIKE WHY ARE WE FISHING FOR RNG ON TOP OF THE ANNOYING SHIT
foggy lodge
Today i faced one it got a +2 in special defense and it was an instalose right there ggs
sudden remnant
i can kill it but then my attackers are burned for the rest of the fight
dense latch
it's balanced by the fact that it's a scovillain
rustic mountain
TO GET MOODY BOOSTS
wen the moody boost goes - def or sp def: 
dense latch
like yea it's a really really strong ability but it's workable
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wen the moody boost goes - def or sp def: <:peepoglad:802777465101353020>
Bro I damn near lost a set yesterday cuz I blinked and the son of a bitch was at +6 Spatk
sudden remnant
like yea it's a really really strong ability but it's workable
not always TT
keen quiver
why tf are choice scarf dragon types so blantantly obvious in single battles 💀
sudden remnant
Today i faced one it got a +2 in special defense and it was an instalose right t...
cuz this can happen
rustic mountain
it's balanced by the fact that it's a scovillain
usually has to forsake strong damage for defenses and u either can run 1 of ur 2 strong stabs (overheat or leaf storm)
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Just bro why LMAO
rustic mountain
so a lot of times its like, i either spread atk get u low take the burn, or ko u w/ a special attacker take the burn on that and im chilling
keen quiver
Leech seed is annoying asf on top of burn chip
feel like leech seed should go away if the pokemon that has that move fainted
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Like I thought that the ability wouldn't get so much value cuz of how frail Scovillain is
But I didn't account for the fact that people would just train it all in bulk and that we'd be in a low power format where getting even one burn is so fucking impactful
foggy lodge
Cuz like in higher power formats you have to deal with landorus heatran or ursaluna
But at the same time you can burn an urshifu or some shit LMAO
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Scovillain's viability in higher power formats
I shit you not
I wouldn't be surprised if a Primal Groudon ran a Scovillain next to it
keen quiver
Scovillain's viability in higher power formats
the moment someone figure out what its weak to.
Then yea
sudden remnant
Scovillain's viability in higher power formats
i mean it can burn any non-fire type physical attacker (so anything thats not hooh and p-groudon)
rustic mountain
the most annoying part is like letting it get leech seed recovery and sustaining and putting u into positions where it just keeps burning ur physical attackers until u cant win the game
if u dont play into that, ur chilling
forest arrow
Spicy extract precipice blades
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Actually y'know what my legitimate question is
sudden remnant
Spicy extract precipice blades
hm?
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How does Xerneas do now that there's Mega Floette
foggy lodge
Still better
rustic mountain
yea
sudden remnant
same same, but different, but still same
rustic mountain
xerneas has better bulk
foggy lodge
No mega requirement geomancy is much stronger
I think floette has a bit more attack no?
forest arrow
And Geomancy
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sudden remnant
Groudon CSR Floette though no
why would anyone ever hate humanity enough to do this
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why would anyone ever hate humanity enough to do this
I want to win
sudden remnant
i want to use my stupid picks
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Cool, I'll be over here using good mons
rustic mountain
idm higher power formats necessarily but id like to put off thinking of those for as long as possible
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idm higher power formats necessarily but id like to put off thinking of those fo...
Real
forest arrow
Yeah like we still don’t even know the other half of the new megas abilities yet
keen quiver
oh no a choice scarf last respect user.
anyway 💤
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If anything I just wanna count down the days until they make Mega Scrafty shitty Incineroar
sudden remnant
oh no a choice scarf last respect user.
anyway 💤
my magic cat 😄
rustic mountain
Yeah like we still don’t even know the other half of the new megas abilities yet
hear me out, next format
the other megas only and 180 different mons
forest arrow
That’d be fire
forest arrow
Give me Ursaluna and Amoongus and I’m happy
sudden remnant
hear me out, next format
the other megas only and 180 different mons
id be chilll with that fr
keen quiver
MASTER BALL RANK TIER IN SINGLES 😄
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No don't take away Meganium from me
forest arrow
LMAO
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I don't wanna lose Meganium and Aegislash
foggy lodge
no bascu no sneasler no kingambit no incin❤️❤️❤️
forest arrow
Soft sand Ursaluna next to scovillan
rustic mountain
No don't take away Meganium from me
sorry my uncle works at gf, its already happening
sudden remnant
no bascu no sneasler no kingambit no incin❤️❤️❤️
good riddance to all of them
keen quiver
MASTER BALL RANK TIER IN SINGLES 😄
alright got both master ball rank tiers on singles and doubles
Now im gonna do doubles tomorrow because they're a global VGC competition starting on the 30th
rustic mountain
wat
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Is that like
The whole argument of "I wanna see something different, I always see the same mons"
In the long run nobody ever wins that LMAO
rustic mountain
wdym
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Cuz you take away some strong mons that are all you see
keen quiver
whos excited for live patch notes 😍
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And other mons just fill the empty slots
sudden remnant
Cuz you take away some strong mons that are all you see
and new ones show up 🫠
rustic mountain
oh well yea
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And like yeah cool you see something new
foggy lodge
no cuz like some mons are just more centralizing than others
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But then give it a week and well we're back to the same song and dance
rustic mountain
yea it always shifts
foggy lodge
like at some point centralization always comes and yesh youll see mons fairly common but some mons centralize more than others
sudden remnant
whos excited for live patch notes 😍
M-B when?
forest arrow
Gambit, Sneasler, Basc is just polarizing for everything else tbh lmao
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Like it's funny cuz I can tell a few people that argue that think for example taking Incineroar away means that 100 Pokemon become viable when really it's like
"ok now Arcanine goes here and done"
keen quiver
So we all participating in the online VGC competition?
sudden remnant
chat should i make a team of 6 pokemon that all learn rock slide 