competitive_discussion

[spiral ridge]

Dude a non mega OHKOd my flowered and I am a bulk spread

[rustic mountain]

lol

[molten oasis]

It’s physical bulk ain’t great guys

[cyan smelt]

Mega kang deletes mega floette

[molten oasis]

It’s definitely a flutter situation where you can invest a lot into it

[spiral ridge]

Ima be real I jut let zard delete that fucker

[molten oasis]

But it’s still not great

[forest arrow]

Zard let me down today

[rustic mountain]

x or y

[forest arrow]

I double missed 3 heat waves

[molten oasis]

Phox hasn’t let me down she’s just goated

[spiral ridge]

Oh it has for me too I try to avoid heat wave much as possible 😭

[foggy lodge]

idk what to run rn i want to use another mega

[forest arrow]

Y

[molten oasis]

Gengar

[foggy lodge]

im running the most boring thing rn 😭

[spiral ridge]

I play the game slower to use weather ball solar beam more consistently

[rustic mountain]

yea once i saw heat wave miss i put it together haha

[winter fox]

Not mine 🙃

[molten oasis]

Curse of heat wave

[spiral ridge]

Now class repeat after me

[dense latch]

im gonna try marcus koh's team again

mega floette and scizor is so fun i just have to pray not to match into any corviknight

[forest arrow]

A9 is doing good today

[spiral ridge]

If it isn’t 100% accuracy

It’s 50%

[rustic mountain]

i like corv

[forest arrow]

And my aero got flinched in both my sets into mega aero

[spiral ridge]

And THIS WORKS THE OTHER WAY TOO WHY IS 30% FLINCH HAPPENING ALL THE DAMN TIME BOBBY

GOD DAMN IT BOBBY

[bold geode]

I fought 3 in a row the other day

[spiral ridge]

idk why but I decided I was Hank hill there

[rustic mountain]

rock slide flinches making me understand vgc oldheads wanting it nerfed

[spiral ridge]

I think

[rustic mountain]

oh jfc lmao

[spiral ridge]

We should all just
Use 100% accuracy moves with no secondary chance wffects
And play the least rng vgc possible

[rustic mountain]

sd or on champions?

[spiral ridge]

If someone crits reset the match

[rustic mountain]

lmfao

[forest arrow]

I just had really bad luck today ngl, I’m not blaming it all on RNG tho, I didn’t play at my best either

[bold geode]

On Champions

[spiral ridge]

Let’s leave rng and go to just reads guys!!

[molten oasis]

Fuh nah

[bold geode]

Reading is hard

[rustic mountain]

didnt realize it picked up more then i thought

[molten oasis]

I’m lowkey so happy tr is mid

[spiral ridge]

Yeah it’s not in southern school curriculum I know

[bold geode]

It's a kid?

[molten oasis]

That was a bad typo lmao

[rustic mountain]

ive come to find some cybertron vids, the teams just do not really get widely used

[molten oasis]

Anyway, fckn hate tr man

[foggy lodge]

https://pokepast.es/0f2c41a87f927b93

[bold geode]

Guys Trick Room is a kid, push him over

[rustic mountain]

the blastoise one he just put up? that has and will be tho

[foggy lodge]

For anyone that wants to use a super meta team

[molten oasis]

I meeeaaann

It’s kind of a push over mu this format

[rustic mountain]

tr sucks

[molten oasis]

Tr ain’t all that good rn

[bold geode]

I'd rather not play the team everyone is answering

[spiral ridge]

my sinistcha tanking the power of gods for two turns to get that fuckass TR down

[foggy lodge]

TR made top 8 at the VR and i still don't know how lmao

[spiral ridge]

mega crabominable rocked my shit cus i was sleep deprived and stressed and did one bad turn so their incin OHKOd my sneasler LMFAO

i had that game in the bag too it was so silly of me

[rustic mountain]

if u play outta ur mind sure

as an archetype rn tho? its not that good

[spiral ridge]

i mean you gotta do that regardless for top 8

[tawdry urchin]

Tr is so easily countered/ stalled out is this even a question? 😭

[foggy lodge]

Tbh the guy who played that is like a super hard tr main so

Comfort diff can show i think

[rustic mountain]

i mean tru but ur playin tr w/ limited resources in items and mon options i think it just makes it that much steeper of a hill to climb

[spiral ridge]

fair

[forest arrow]

I mean our world champ showed comfort diff

[spiral ridge]

i mean if they got the right tools even if the taem idea is meh it can work

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/a3979575f0e38671 i was trying this team from vr for a bit

[rustic mountain]

who

[forest arrow]

Gio

[dense latch]

but zard x was kinda fraudulent at times

[rustic mountain]

oh

[forest arrow]

He used Koraidon Lunala all of reg I

[rustic mountain]

right

[rustic mountain]

it seems good but also very position heavy

[spiral ridge]

oh true that finals

[forest arrow]

Just remember the Koraidon slander and it won worlds lol

[spiral ridge]

i forgot about that til now that CSR player just couldnt get in the game that set

[dense latch]

fake out rotation + sinistcha was really really nice

[bold geode]

Counterargument
Balls

[spiral ridge]

youre balls

[bold geode]

I had nothing to contribute LMAO

[dense latch]

im trying to find a better second mega for scizor

[rustic mountain]

usually how ive seen it played, it caught me off earlier i was playing to zard y i gta recognize the comp differences

had sneasler coaching

[dense latch]

i've gotten a lot of momentum from my bo1 opponents thinking it's zard y lol

[rustic mountain]

yea

cuz zard y is like everywhere haha

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

[spiral ridge]

a xard X could likely ohko chomp huh

[rustic mountain]

no haban id imagine yea

[spiral ridge]

cus i was about to say ima just swap from rock slide to eq if it dont work at first but then remembered
owie dragon

haban?

[rustic mountain]

haban berry chomp to limit dragon damage

[spiral ridge]

ohhh

[rustic mountain]

its decently common

[spiral ridge]

i dont remember the berry names yet dawg i barely built a team

[rustic mountain]

fair

[spiral ridge]

deadass i could pull the messages it was me to monkey and mak like GUYS SPREADS PLEASE MUNCHSTATS DOESNT SHOW SHIT not knowing there was a popularity function IN CHAMPIONS NONE OF THOSE FUCKERS TOLD ME TIL DAY FUCKING 333333333

AND THEY DIDNT TELL ME I JUST FOUND IT

ah well me having to get on SV to build and actually get a kingambit made me find a shiny orangutan it worked out

[rustic mountain]

rip but also nice

[spiral ridge]

the popularity function of moves and spreads is very useful but i also dont know why munchstats doesnt include it

[rustic mountain]

yea idk if i can b bothered hunting another shiny gambit

also prolly hav to hunt another male basc i have 3 females idk y i thought i had another male

[spiral ridge]

oh mine wasnt shiny i just never apparently got one even though i loved that thing in H

it fucking sucks evoing a gambit so that was prolly why

[rustic mountain]

yep

[spiral ridge]

and somehow had no shiny at all in that evo line even from my tera days

[spiral ridge]

hey girls are cool too just throw people off

champions players most likely wont know the difference lets be so fr

[forest arrow]

I got a shiny whims in the recruit today

I already have 2 but it was cool

[rustic mountain]

its a cool mon its just not male basc w/ last respects its atk is less

[rustic mountain]

thats cool

[spiral ridge]

yeah i was joking saying special set basc

[rustic mountain]

yea i have 1 or 2 shiny whims in my home boxes, one might b cottonee actually

[spiral ridge]

ive yet to get a shiny

[forest arrow]

Yeah the game felt bad for me after my bad showing lol

[spiral ridge]

im using a shiny whims from emma from like
SV GC 5???:

it was a mirai team so reg G

[rustic mountain]

some ppl r running that ive seen on high ladder, wasnt that bad of a suggestion tbh just not wat i need for the team comp im thinkin of

[spiral ridge]

oh

i was just saying girlpower i like women

sick

[rustic mountain]

women are awesome

[dense latch]

cant really argue with that they're great

[spiral ridge]

there is a reason for how high the transfem proportion of pokemon fans are

[dense latch]

they make up 90% of psyspam hard tr players

[molten oasis]

The mons I like are mostly feminine lol

[dense latch]

i always kinda noticed the trend and then there was small discourse about it on twitter lol

[molten oasis]

Wait, wtf

[bold geode]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Oh fuck sorry I heard women and got scared

[molten oasis]

Why is he right?

[craggy dagger]

[spiral ridge]

dont look behind you

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/women-coffee-gif-3071216446933358258

[spiral ridge]

i feel like he might be talking the old ruby group and allat if hes mentioning discource 😭

[molten oasis]

lol

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/danganronpa-kyoko-execution-kyoko-danganronpa-danganronpa-meme-crucher-meme-gif-2859277142206289678

[molten oasis]

I guess so, I did not step near that

[dense latch]

https://x.com/cecililytweets/status/2041570919470989346?s=20 i think it was this tweet that got me thinking

cecilily (@cecililytweets)

I find it hilarious how Psyspam is fundamentally a transgirl vgc archetype, like, whenever someone plays it they are unusually often.... 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍⚧️

Not saying you're trans if you play psyspam but like.... maybe you SHOULD get those amazon socks just to see how it feels like

X · Apr 7, 2026, 5:36 PM

[bold geode]

What was it

[spiral ridge]

vicky is also a giant TR user

[bold geode]

Oh
Yeah no people thought I was bi and I've played Psyspam so

[spiral ridge]

i like TR quite a bit too but lwokey im more balance/tailroom if anything

[dense latch]

yea she tweeted smth too

[bold geode]

Psyspam might be for gay people

[molten oasis]

I’ve played phox psyspam not tr psyspam

[dense latch]

i got cooked by her one time on ladder

[bold geode]

Which is fire

Glad they got an archetype

[molten oasis]

And crown psyspam? Fuck I like psyspam I’m gay

[dense latch]

i mean you see indeedee hatterene and it kinda adds up

[spiral ridge]

she does lots of TR tweets shes a big fan

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/i-get-it-danny-devito-its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-real-gif-27425748

[spiral ridge]

dont i FUCKING FORGOT DAMMIT

[molten oasis]

I was gonna play phox psyspam if it was legal

[spiral ridge]

or worked

levitate

[molten oasis]

[dense latch]

they really gave delphox levitate AND didnt add psy surge mons

[spiral ridge]

nah trust my gravity indeedee phox set up will chang ethe game
long as the game isnt fucking sand

[molten oasis]

Hey, phox will be fine

[spiral ridge]

or rain

[molten oasis]

HOWEVER meowstic and zam are so shit lmao

[spiral ridge]

or anything really dont use gravity phox psyspam

[molten oasis]

They need psyspam to literally do anything

[spiral ridge]

i want zama back :( i miss my restricteds a little lowkey

[molten oasis]

[spiral ridge]

this is worlds better than reg H non restricted but i still miss it

[molten oasis]

I’m so excited to nuke xerneas with zacian

[spiral ridge]

and i think thats just cus rilla is gone

hear me out for why

[dense latch]

i still have to play reg i to prep for a regional next month

[spiral ridge]

we can actually earthquake that fuckass sneasler

[molten oasis]

That’s ass

[dense latch]

i dont have a team

i dont know what restricted duo i even like

[molten oasis]

Forced to be in hell lmao

[dense latch]

im js going there for vibes lowk

[molten oasis]

Oh they’re vibes for sur e

You just, you have to play reg I

When sv is dead

[dense latch]

playing right next to my opponent is gonna be weird

[molten oasis]

Or on its last legs cuz once sv regionals end it dies

[molten oasis]

It’s weird but don’t let that get into your head

[dense latch]

i cant even go to locals first bc i have class on saturdays

[molten oasis]

They’re fun, everyone’s nice

[molten oasis]

I’m cursed with no locals state

I get 0 it’s so lame

[jade dust]

Bro I can’t wait for more Pokemon to be added

I hate I can’t make my ideal team

[dense latch]

here everything regional or local related happens in the urban sector of the capital so they're all a 30 min drive max

so that's really nice

[spiral ridge]

i got some around me and went to one and had a great time but then i got a job who wont stop fucking scheduling me double weekends

ima check around my college lowkey

[molten oasis]

That’s awesome

[molten oasis]

I work weekends and I have no locals

[spiral ridge]

yeahhh

only free days next week being monday wednesday #whatitdo #imaquit

she says and doesnt quit for the third month

[molten oasis]

I lost to scarf gallade

[spiral ridge]

that happened to me once i lowkey just wasnt ready

oh wait gallade not garde
wtf what move

[molten oasis]

Sacred sword next to zard x

I won if it wasn’t fucking scarf

[spiral ridge]

ah
thatll fuckign do it

god i miss sacred sword gallade you were my gem in reg H

those archaludons cowered it was so funny

[jade dust]

What should I prioritize on mega Floette? Speed? Physical bulk? Or power?

[spiral ridge]

youre tailroom so a mixed spread would help

also if youre running CM yeah you wanna live some turns

[jade dust]

How much speed would I need to beat scarf basc

In tailwind

[spiral ridge]

oh god okay hold on

forgot i had this on

do any of these people run swift swim i hope not

uh

unless its swift swim base speed out speeds in tw

215 if rounding up vs 244 in tw

if swift swim then yeah dawg idk go pray

i faced one that was i had CTS

base floette is 10 spe slower so be careful

[jade dust]

So

[spiral ridge]

yuh?

[next dust]

Oh btw, @foggy lodge for you. https://youtu.be/q5pz43cQ1RQ

[jade dust]

Is that adamant or jolly?

[spiral ridge]

its + spe on basc and no plus on floette

so like max possible besides swift swim on basc vs base flo

[molten oasis]

Kanga goated

[spiral ridge]

true

[jade dust]

So 0 speed EVs tailwind Floette is faster than jolly max speed scarf basc

[spiral ridge]

yes

long as theyre adaptability

im 90% sure im doing this math right its 12 am

[jade dust]

I doubt anyone would use scarf and swift swim at the same time tho

[spiral ridge]

yeah im just telling you

[jade dust]

Alright

Is there a common speed investment Charizard uses?

[spiral ridge]

im max max so

[molten oasis]

Wow, uhm

[spiral ridge]

dont

[molten oasis]

I’m not impressed lmfao

I’m not that’s so bad

It got drenched in sand bro

[spiral ridge]

Cucumber

[jade dust]

252+ Atk Sneasler Dire Claw vs. 244 HP / 100 Def Floette-Mega: 152-180 (84.4 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

[rustic mountain]

[jade dust]

Maybe this spread is good

[rustic mountain]

even w/ the nerfs it seems solid

obviously not the behemoth it was but can still put in work

[molten oasis]

Yeah it’s a good secondary mega

[rustic mountain]

yep

[molten oasis]

It’s not a good primary mega it just

[rustic mountain]

yea dont think it has that lvl of power anymore

[molten oasis]

It ain’t what it was, maaaybe if it kept ppunch

[rustic mountain]

maybe

[molten oasis]

Still have to deal with incin

[rustic mountain]

parental bond damage nerf + that was a lot

and even then still useable

[molten oasis]

A9’s also been super nice next to it

Encore pressure

[molten oasis]

Yeah definitely

[rustic mountain]

veil on fake out turns depending on the board then encore if they protected seems nice

[molten oasis]

Icy wind is great for speed control against more middling speed mons, and then blizzard

No tect has felt fine on it so far I just think it needs all 4 of those rn

[rustic mountain]

5 moveslot syndrome mon

[molten oasis]

Sash let’s it do that

[molten oasis]

Fckn 6 sometimes cuz I’ve thought about moonblast

[rustic mountain]

lol

[molten oasis]

Still wish we had cloak and av but here we are

[rustic mountain]

gta give ppl time to learn

[molten oasis]

Yeah fs

I don’t mind it now, makes for an interesting meta

[rustic mountain]

seems very specific no terrain jus weather pretty basic items

they dont wanna overload ppl

[molten oasis]

Can’t wait for the bunch of people that are gonna try making psyspam with Delphox work

[jade dust]

Well at base Kang has 2 abilities that are immune to intimidate

You can delay your mega

[molten oasis]

Yeah but incin is, incin

It’s still able to move around pretty easily

[jade dust]

I hate sneasler more than anything in this format tho

[molten oasis]

I think sneasler’s fine

I honestly think this format is pretty healthy

[jade dust]

My 2nd most hated enemy after Smeargle

[wicked crag]

one of the (Granted not a great record) gravity teams at the live event this weekend was using a meowstic with both psychic terrain and gravity to setup for a M-delphox with expanding force. probably good if they ever pulled it off lol

[molten oasis]

Wack lol

Idt anything is too broken stuff is just strong

[jade dust]

I really wish I could use mega Metagross or Salamance as secondary mega to my mega Floette team

[rustic mountain]

cppl months prolly

unless the next reg is completely different 180 mons w/ the other megas and items

[molten oasis]

That be crazy

No berries or sash but specs and band are legal lol

[rustic mountain]

itd b cool but unlikely

[rustic mountain]

yea maybe not so cool lol

[molten oasis]

I hope we get bax or golispod

And Mawile

[timber falcon]

Would swampert still be viable

[rustic mountain]

we should

[molten oasis]

Those were the others I had eyes on and they didn’t come so I’ve just been playing phox

Tho I think phox stays pretty relevant because of its mu’s into incoming megas

[rustic mountain]

mega exca turned out bad wen every1 thought itd b good

[molten oasis]

Should have kept sand rush

[rustic mountain]

yea

[molten oasis]

Unseen fist/Piercing drill aren’t great on mons that wanna use non contact

[rustic mountain]

nd ur speed isnt great

[molten oasis]

Not that it’s bad just, it’s meh

And the special bulk being so low sucks, it’s a physical metagame but the megas are all special attackers

Wait they’re like mostly special attackers, huh

[rustic mountain]

yea main ones

[molten oasis]

Zard y phox floette Gengar

[rustic mountain]

meganium, stoise, venu

[molten oasis]

Meganium, yeah

[rustic mountain]

ttar aero and x are the main physical ones atm

[molten oasis]

I’ve barely seen any mega aero

[rustic mountain]

mega scizor been solid

its very good

its a 2 mega type deal

[molten oasis]

It looks super well positioned in this meta

[rustic mountain]

u need another mega on the team

[molten oasis]

That makes sense

Lost to one zard x cuz I got got by his scarf gallade

[rustic mountain]

oof

[molten oasis]

Which idk if that’s just a thing cuz I’ve seen a couple now but it was still lame cuz I won otherwise

[rustic mountain]

random scarf mon in bo1 gta love it

i almost got boomed by scarf meowscarada earlier

[molten oasis]

A9 was positioned to blizzard and win and it was scarf that felt bad

[rustic mountain]

not that ive seen

[molten oasis]

Gambit couldn’t 2v1 there

[molten oasis]

Scarf on a meow is wild

[rustic mountain]

right? lol

[molten oasis]

Of all mons why meow lmao

[rustic mountain]

i was like dude wat is happening

[molten oasis]

“Man I hate sucker punch mindgames into phox”

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

As if you don’t outspeed the rest of the format lol

[rustic mountain]

hahah yea its gta b something like that

[molten oasis]

Weird choice, I wonder how it would shape up if dozo tatsu were legal

[rustic mountain]

which even then surely u can patch the mu more effectively

[molten oasis]

There’s another cat starter that does that

[rustic mountain]

haze mon on ur team prolly

[molten oasis]

Or defensive play I guess

No Tera for it anymore

[rustic mountain]

no tera so yea

[molten oasis]

It’s still gonna be a headache

Cuz it’s dozo, and it gets its choice of a mega in the back

Or on lead

[rustic mountain]

dozo always been a skill/team check

[molten oasis]

Definitely

[rustic mountain]

not that players cant take it farther but at its base its like do u have dozo answer(s)? and how can u execute it

[molten oasis]

My dozo answer is uh, encore lmao

[rustic mountain]

that can b valid

[molten oasis]

So glad I don’t have to deal with it rn tho

[rustic mountain]

yea

[molten oasis]

Format just feels fun to play in, most annoying thing is CTS cheese or rng tbh

[rustic mountain]

p much

[spiral ridge]

Both brothers on calls streaming and my WiFi is bricked
Is it champions time

Idt champs would even work if I tried

Realizing something was in that LMFAO

My WiFi broke right as I wanted to do champions basically

[rustic mountain]

-8ball hunt for another shiny male basc?

[gentle crag]

hunt for another shiny male basc?
:8ball: Ask again later

[spiral ridge]

Damn

[rustic mountain]

-8ball its later

[gentle crag]

its later
:8ball: As I see it, yes

[spiral ridge]

Lazy ass oracle

[rustic mountain]

frfr

hope ur wifi comes back soon

[spiral ridge]

Even if it is it’s so choppy

Tried to pla a different game and 700 ping

College WiFi would be better bro what is this

I’ll just kick my brothers out idk lol

[winter fox]

Alright guys goodnight. I just got frozen three times in one turn. 😁

[jade dust]

I can’t wait to play Dozo in champions

I’m surprised it’s not in on release since it was in the trailer when they showed tera

[tawdry urchin]

https://pokepast.es/f086375ec2e5f187 Is there anything I should change?

[cyan smelt]

You might want to add something for rotom or milotic

[tawdry urchin]

Nah I'll just self destruct 😁

[cyan smelt]

Basculegion likes this

[tawdry urchin]

Fine then, what do I change?

[cyan smelt]

Replace starmie with mega blastoise, that way you still have a tr mode and can hit ghost types with dark pulse

[tawdry urchin]

I want to keep mega starmie though

[cyan smelt]

Then you need something for basc, aegislash and gengar

Your team might also struggle against milotic because all you have is tbolt

[tawdry urchin]

Garchomp's earthquake?

[cyan smelt]

True but gengar is faster

The best thing is probably to play some games and see what you struggle with but I already see milotic and basc being a problem

Your damage output might reduce because of incin too

[tawdry urchin]

Gallade with coaching and leaf blade

[cyan smelt]

Something a bit faster maybe

[tawdry urchin]

There's like no good physical grass/ electric types moves 😭

Let alone a good Pokémon that knows one

[cyan smelt]

Aggron could work well on sand

Idbp

[tawdry urchin]

Horrible typing, mid base attack, thunder punch is all it knows

[cyan smelt]

Prim?

Actually I think Roserade is underexplored

[tawdry urchin]

Hold on it knows coaching as well...

[cyan smelt]

Huh did not know that

[spark siren]

What does ELO stand for?

[cyan smelt]

i feel like my prediction game is getting stronger

casual is weird, lost to mega scovillain with tr farig and guts machamp and gyarados

[indigo coral]

I wish Casual still gave VP for playing

[next stump]

It’s actually named after the guy who invented it

his last name was Elo

[violet parcel]

damn

i forgot that dark types are immune to prankstered moves

[cyan smelt]

think i might hop off casual battles, the teams are too random

[vernal shadow]

Just lost a match and feel cheated. Mega gardevoir with max speed investment under tw slower than sneasler?
Is that correct or would the sneasler have needed an item ?
Curious for future reference

[next stump]

If sneasler clicked Close Combat earlier (or was intimidated) and consumed White Herb, it is faster thanks to its ability

[cyan smelt]

leech seed mega scovillain sure is annoying

[dapper musk]

I had to go against sinistcha with leech seed and matcha gotcha 😭💀

https://tenor.com/view/fire-gif-10341555270454130792

[cyan smelt]

the sinistcha had leech seed?

[dapper musk]

Yeah it was either that it used leech seed or the other one used it

[cyan smelt]

surely it carries life dew

[dapper musk]

What’s life dew again

Isn’t it that one water type move

[cyan smelt]

restores allies and self hp

[vernal shadow]

Oh yeah forgot about unburden. It didn't pop up I don't think. Could've sworn it used to pop up in swsh?

[dapper musk]

Ohhhh right I remember a gardevoir having that

[vernal shadow]

Should've tw it earlier

[next stump]

I don’t think there was a visual in SV but I’m not sure

[vernal shadow]

I've only used it on a sceptile before and that was in swsh. Maybe I'm remembering wrong but it had a thing there. It really should flag it. Every other ability pops up except defensive ones like filter

[chrome knot]

item activation

is your flag for unburden

[vernal shadow]

Does it say in the same text box ?

Or just not mention at all and you just gotta assume that it'll have it ? They've put effort into making champions easier for players to understand but don't notify a speed boost which feels like a bit of an odd choice

[chrome knot]

if this is abt sneasler its not a guess

we can also do things like wonder why did this happen as a new player maybe do a little research maybe some google activity happenin

or we can look at sneasler in our box and read what unburden does

[vernal shadow]

Maybe not once your used to it. It boosts speed by one stage so I just don't understand why it doesn't have the animation for a buff.

[chrome knot]

its by 2 stages

bc its not a direct stat boost

think of it like setting tailwind

ur jus faster now

[vernal shadow]

And that's why I didn't get it. I knew it existed but always assumed it was a stat boost like Zamas defence boost

Or stamina

[chrome knot]

but the “animation “ instead of the move tailwind, like unburden suggests, is upon item activation

its not those abilities tho

[vernal shadow]

Has unburden always been a stat multiplier without being a direct stat boost like agility ?

[chrome knot]

yes

[vernal shadow]

So sneasler keeps it on swap out

[chrome knot]

no

one time use

[vernal shadow]

Interesting 🤔.
Well thanks for that. I just assumed that it raised the stat by X stages when item was used like a traditional buff

[chrome knot]

nah its a weird sneaky other thing

[vernal shadow]

So in theory, sneasler could go x5 speed where every other mon is capped at x4

Not that you would ever but like it could

[chrome knot]

not sure how that math works maybe

same logic can be applied to scarf mons ig

[vernal shadow]

Ye I'm probably wrong on that but what I mean is it could go +8

[cerulean nacelle]

I still don't think that's how it works but idk if unburden constantly doubles speed or just doubles the current speed stat.

[vernal shadow]

True. Still think it should say it 😂
Or maybe when picking mons in champions, it lets u look at their abilities or have an in-game Pokédex or something for convenience

[chrome knot]

or u can search it up

champs requires internet so ik youll have that

[vernal shadow]

True. Just would be nice if it was included in-game. Pc is on for other stuff anyways. I was just thinking convenience

[violet parcel]

2nd time i saw someone got confused with sneasler's unburden

[chrome knot]

hi im unburden sneasler

[cyan smelt]

did they nerf confusion too? felt like it used to last for ages

[vernal shadow]

Worst bit is that being one of the main things I knew about it and then still being confused when it suddenly outsped me. Perhaps it was from the opponent playing defensive dispite having the ability to wipe me that turn idk

[violet parcel]

hallo unburden sneasler. my name is bad at predicting hahaha

[chrome knot]

oooo i think im good matchup here

[violet parcel]

its either the white herb or focus sash trigger.

i might just put focus sash on my sneasler next time but white herb serves to at least offset incineroar's intim

[chrome knot]

or when im hungry for seeds

[cyan smelt]

idk if i'm missing fake out on sneasler or not

[chrome knot]

sash is unfortunately meh bc of aero

would rather cc with no consequences or ohko incin turn 1/2

[violet parcel]

i really need to pull a venusaur. to get a 2nd sweeper.

ive been relying too much on zard and tyhplo

and i need to review on some stuff again

[cyan smelt]

so white herb sneasler it is then

is rock slide worth running on sneasler

[violet parcel]

like how i freaking forgot dark types are immune to prankster

[chrome knot]

oop

silly goose

[violet parcel]

yeah. hahaha. i was proud of myself cause i was gonna encore tyranitar because it used protect.

and then it failed hahaha

i just forfeited out of embarassment

[chrome knot]

oah jeez

[cerulean nacelle]

Honestly I don't really ever see confusion so idk.

It's happened to me maybe twice.

[chrome knot]

isokie it happens bc now you’ll never do it again to avoid embarrassment

[violet parcel]

yeah. but i also need to review some of the defensive moves too.

it kinda wastes my time trying to google them in the middle of the battle haha

[chrome knot]

oahhh

[cerulean nacelle]

Your knowledge will improve with time and even then you'll still learn new things.

I've only recently been reminded that mega aggron is a pure steel lol. Something I constantly forget.

[violet parcel]

its more of i already forgot the moves

i used to do rank battles in swsh and then stopped and never continued even in swsh

and ZA has different play style so it doesnt count

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah it'll just take time to practice. Luckily people can help you understand what's good and what isn't, what moves are good on what mons etc.

You ain't alone in the situation.

Champions is my first proper time playing in a mega format.

And my first proper attempt at getting really into double battling.

[cyan smelt]

should i ladder on showdown or champions

[violet parcel]

both

[dapper musk]

Guys

Is this a good team

Pelipper: Weather Ball Tailwind Hurricane Wide Guard

Archaludon:Electro Shot,Dragon Pulse,Flash Cannon,Protect(For Sturdy)

Basculegion(Swift Swim): Wave Crash,Last Respects,Aqua Jet,Protect

Dragonite(Mega): Draco Meteor/Dragon Pulse,Hurricane,Thunder,Protect

Incineroar:Fake Out,Flare blitz,Throat Chop,Parting Shot

Sinistcha:Matcha Gotcha,Rage Powder,strength Sap,Trick Room or Life Dew

Archaludon has magnet pelipper focus sash basculegion mystical water

It’s supposed to be a rain team

Good?

[cerulean nacelle]

Showdown ladder is so weird until you get to a certain ELO lol

[waxen dock]

ig its fine

[cyan smelt]

well just lost to an own tempo tinkaton next to swagger aero on casual

[cerulean nacelle]

I think most people run scarf adaptability basculegion as it hits harder with its stabs then.

There also isn't much more you need to be faster than with swift swim atm. Scarf covers it.

Otherwise it's a pretty generic team.

[cyan smelt]

that's the kinda thing that only works on casual

[bold geode]

Hi Emma

[cerulean nacelle]

Gravity meowstic and hypnosis espathra beat my ass on casual doubles lol.

[dapper musk]

I normally set up tailwind though since that’s gonna give it basically max priority

[cyan smelt]

that sounds like a thing on showdown actually

[chrome knot]

gm

[cerulean nacelle]

Then perhaps you don't need to run scarf but scarf can get you out of sticky situations.

You aren't guaranteed to have tailwind up for the whole game.

[dapper musk]

Yeah sometimes I’m stubborn and I use another move except tailwind and get two shotted without setting it up

I use Incin and sinistcha for support

[cerulean nacelle]

I think another reason why scarf is popular atm is because the weather rocks aren't in the game either.

If rain could last 8 turns, swift swim would have a lot more utility imo.

But because we are stuck at 5 atm, and because last respects can reach ridiculous base damages like 200 to 300 with adaptability, scarf basculegion is a staple not only on rain teams but as a late game closer on non rain as well.

[kindred current]

I'm tempted to give my garchomp a mega stone and run 2 options to mega evolve
Garchomp/kangaskhan

[cerulean nacelle]

Mega chomp isn't that good.

[kindred current]

Aww how come?

[cerulean nacelle]

It's ability is quite lackluster, becoming sand force over the very useful rough skin or still situational but kinda funny sand veil.

It becomes 10 speed points slower and one of garchomps biggest strengths is being 2 points faster than base 100s. Zard Y for example.

Overall anything mega garchomp wants to do, a garchomp with an item can typically do better.

[dapper musk]

What’s atm? I forgot abt what it stands for again

[cerulean nacelle]

At the moment

[dapper musk]

Oh yeah sry mb

[cerulean nacelle]

Also fun fact, in previous generations, a life orb jolly garchomp was faster and hit harder than a jolly mega garchomp.

It's just not a very good mega.

[cerulean nacelle]

You're good dw dude

[dapper musk]

If they added Kyogre to champions that would be great since I’d rather use that rather than pelipper

Since pelipper has a 4x weakness to electric and plus kyogre is just stronger

[chrome knot]

so cool yeah lets just skip to the restricted format

anyway im choosing miraidon

[dapper musk]

I remember when I got banned from this server for smth I didn’t do

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah if you're running rain you're most likely running kyogre. But pelipper is a good secondary setter and can have strong applications such as being able to set tailwind, use wide guard and hold the weather rocks.

But even then we are leagues away from a restricted for... yeah what @chrome knot said.

[dapper musk]

Somehow ts happened

And the annoying ass thing is that I didn’t even do that

[chrome knot]

“somehow”

[cerulean nacelle]

Honestly the choice between groudon or miraidon is gonna be fun for sun teams.

[chrome knot]

miraidon is the electric one

[cerulean nacelle]

Oh yeah my bad. God I need sleep.

[chrome knot]

primal groudon puts koraidon out of a job

[cerulean nacelle]

Idk if it's just me but I also expect koraidon/miraidon nerfs

[chrome knot]

just you

[cyan smelt]

koraidon working at mcdonald's

[chrome knot]

no tera is the nerf lol

[cyan smelt]

miraidon is still gonna be ridiculous

[dapper musk]

I didn’t even do it idk how I got the report and the fact that it even went through as successful

[chrome knot]

i don’t care gang im ngl

[cerulean nacelle]

If miraidon comes back I'm 100% doing iron bundle shenanigans.

[lost sun]

no tera seems very bad for koraidon too

oh u said nvm

[cyan smelt]

there's gotta be something that'll make primal groudon tolerable

[chrome knot]

primal kyogre

[cerulean nacelle]

Probably primal kyogre

[chrome knot]

surprise!! 4x weaknesd

[cerulean nacelle]

Man part of me knows I'm not gonna like going into a restricted format lmao.

[chrome knot]

whatever mon doesn’t melt & die to primal groudon + has parting shot will take incin place

[lost sun]

wasn't Incin popular in the sm restricted format

[cyan smelt]

mega scrafty

?

[dapper musk]

Btw I’ve seen on a lot of ppl’s profiles like their tags say something ball

Like lure ball something-something

What is that

[chrome knot]

incin popular in every format

[cerulean nacelle]

That 4 times fairy weakness gonna make him a bitch.

It's also not confirmed whether scrafty gets parting shot in champions yet. He got it in ZA but greninja and chomp got nasty plot in ZA and they lost that.

[lost sun]

I doubt they would nerf scrafty

[cyan smelt]

scrafty isn't good lol

[cerulean nacelle]

It's not necessarily nerfing it's just them not getting a move they got in ZA.

But yeah I think mega scrafty is gonna be pretty mediocre.

[lost sun]

if it gets a good ability it could work

[cyan smelt]

i feel like there are more random teams on showdown compared to on champions

[chrome knot]

showdown is bad practice

play in game

[dapper musk]

Woah howd you guys do that

[cyan smelt]

but in-game doesn't have pasrs

[waxen dock]

tbh i hate videos like this

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/G0I6eG1YwxQ

its just alts or low ladder

[cyan smelt]

cybertron's latest video was cool

[waxen dock]

for example this person uses alts

[cyan smelt]

it's just clickbait

[chrome knot]

these are scripted lol

[waxen dock]

there is a big problem in singles with videos like this

only yotubers i know are real are big youtubers

also

finals now

[cyan smelt]

yeah i think i'll play on champions instead of showdown

[lost sun]

do /data

[dapper musk]

Alr thxs

[gentle crag]

sami1234768 has given 1 Gen Rep to alexr8698

[cyan smelt]

til that gliscor can survive a sun boosted heat wave from zard y, that helps

[dapper musk]

What’s a gen rep

[lost sun]

there's also /learn for the moves

[waxen dock]

/data

[dapper musk]

Holy moly

Coooolllll

Btw guys what’s same type attack bonus

[chrome knot]

man i wonder

[shadow wind]

And I wonder

[dapper musk]

?

[shadow wind]

Pretty much a Pokémon using a move that shares its typing will do boosted damage

Grass type using a grass type move of a fire type using a fire type move

It’s a 1.5x boost to damage so very important

[dapper musk]

Ohhhhhh so that’s why electro shot does so much damage

Thanks

[shadow wind]

?????

The only mon that learns that is not an electric type move

[dapper musk]

This helps a lot ngl 1.5 is a good multiplier

[dapper musk]

Archaludon is an electric type

Electric dragon

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694

steel dragon brother

[dapper musk]

WHATTTTTTT

[shadow wind]

Oh nah

[next stump]

LOL

[dapper musk]

NOOOOOOOO

[shadow wind]

Bro thought he found the second coming of Miraidon

Maybe do some research…

[dapper musk]

HOW TF IS HE STEEL

[next stump]

he is a bridge

[dapper musk]

I THOUGHT HE WAS ELECTRIC HALF HIS MOVES ARE ELECTRIC

dang it

What else can learn electro shot

[shadow wind]

Smeargle

[shadow wind]

Groudon learns thunder

And Twave and thunder punch

[dark sorrel]

In fairness I could understand how you might think steel/electric

[dapper musk]

He doesn’t really look like a dragon type to be fair

[shadow wind]

When has that ever been a thing to care about

Logic and Pokémon don’t mix

[dapper musk]

Fairs

I mean he is a fucking bridge that moves somehow

[dark sorrel]

guessing a pokemons typing from a design stand point vs actual typing is a pretty fun game, but competitive players are usually too data knowledgeable to not know off hand

[dapper musk]

Yh. Tbh the first time I played Pokémon and saw gardevoir I thought it was grass

Grass psychic

[dark sorrel]

I remember when it was pure psychic 👴

[dapper musk]

Oh yeah it got fairy typing when fairy came out right?

[dark sorrel]

yep

[cyan smelt]

just beat a mono=ice team on champions

[forest arrow]

Chat Dillon on Stream

[indigo coral]

I assume Froslass and Rotom Frost, who else was on the team?

[dark sorrel]

Abomasnow? I see him on a lot of snow teams

[cyan smelt]

no rotom frost, it had froslass, aurorus, a9

no abomasnow

just absolutely smashed this rain team

[waxen dock]

@next stump are you on stream?!

[leaden fox]

Don't know about anyone, looking forward to May 29th - 31st; will be our first Champions format in the US/EU circuit

At Indianapolis

[forest arrow]

He was

[next stump]

RAGHAV TOO STRONG

gg

[forest arrow]

Great set bro, Floette is such a menace lol

Ggs

[shadow wind]

77 spatk really ain’t that much

[cyan smelt]

mega blastoise is really annoying, esp next to farig

[shadow wind]

I saw a support Blastoise on a perish trap team

Fake out, flip turn, protect, life dew

[cyan smelt]

that sounds tedious

[shadow wind]

Lefties and rain dish on a rain team

It was quite annoying yeah

[cerulean nacelle]

Water spout go brrrr.

Though its also funny when idiot people think they can shell smash in front my my sinistcha.

Goodbye 90% of your health!!!

[cyan smelt]

the fake out, water spout, dark pulse, aura sphere set is so annoying

[cerulean nacelle]

It fr is

[cyan smelt]

next to farig idk what i'm supposed to do

[cerulean nacelle]

Not much you can do unless you're doing like imprison trick room on your own farigiraf

[spark siren]

I am looking for some advice to help with Ultra Ball tier ranked (doubles). Here’s my team

[bold geode]

I'm sorry bro, I cheered for Raghav cuz I have this curse where I cheer for someone and they lose
But the curse knew

@chrome knot I'm using the mega that IS DEFINITELY a bnuuy

[chrome knot]

ok

[spiral ridge]

Stinky

[keen quiver]

just for a reminder
Some Zoroark users are actually trying to adapt on tricking the opponents
They try to grab Pokemons that can learn the same moves as zoroark. 😅

[chrome knot]

talking to the mirror

[spiral ridge]

Nop

[chrome knot]

i just showered and tied my hair into pigtails for the day

[spiral ridge]

Shit
I’ll come back tomorrow

[chrome knot]

local today, gummies & pizza tmrw

bless my bunny life

[spiral ridge]

Ooo local today hffff

Enjoy the week silly

[chrome knot]

look dm i look so tuff

[spiral ridge]

Uh huh
Gonna beat up tons of people

[bold geode]

They never said you stinky in what way

[kindred current]

If someone made their mega froslass a little bit slower then Yzard, could that be something? Turn 1 guarantee snow and maybe veil?

[spiral ridge]

Just stalled like ten turns waiting for this ttar to mega only for them to never do it

Actually does mega ttar bring back up sand

[spiral ridge]

Yeah it does so idk what he was doing dawg

[near crag]

How good is mega gyarados rain? I'm trying to make a team for my begginer friend, and he wants to do rain. We don't have floette, so I figured gyarados should do the trick, since I feel like mega meganium and dnite are harder to use, and also weaker

[spiral ridge]

Mega megabium is great in rain due to mega sol

You will get a fire type weather ball while in rain for grass types

I haven’t really tried dos to say anything

[tawdry urchin]

Is it worth using gallade? I need a pokemon that can support mega starmie (coaching) and can deal with things like milotic and basculegion

[spiral ridge]

Gallade isn’t gonna live a lot if this is your issue

[tawdry urchin]

?

Last respects isn't an issue, taking it down is

https://pokepast.es/026e70c6ea909537

[spiral ridge]

Oh it’s a skill swap trick room set ok

Are you talking like night slash on Gallade or whatever dark/grass move it has

I mean if you get trick room up it can but it could also easily die to basc itself
Venusaur could be decent

[vernal shadow]

Think imma crash out. In over 10 matches i have missed nearly every hydropump, been hit by every move that has a 70% chance to hit and been flinched by every rock slide which the opponents needed all of these to occur to win. Need that world champ diff luck jesus 😭 😂

[spiral ridge]

Kingambit sucker punch does a lot too

Rotom wash

[ripe grail]

Ahhh goddd
I am hard stuck at 1950s

[tawdry urchin]

It's not a trickroom team, frig prevents trick room

[ripe grail]

Can't make it past at all

[indigo coral]

I 100% feel you. I had a 3v1 against a single Kingambit and missed 3 Rock Slides, 2 Play Roughs, and they hit multiple Guillotines. This is just my luck, you get used to it after a while. Makes the good luck more noticeable

[vernal shadow]

i was steam rolling about to hit ultra ball and ive been stuck in limbo today

[spiral ridge]

Oh I read it wrong
Then yeah basc would likely outspeed Gallade most of the time unless you’re like speed investment and also able to get tw up

Rotom or venu may be better choices

Gallade isn’t bad tho it gets wide guard

[ripe grail]

Suggestions please guys????

In real need of it

[tawdry urchin]

Protect incin? Nah give it thoat chop

[ripe grail]

It's crucial man

Trust me I've played over 150 games
I've found myself more in need of protect than a dark type move

[spiral ridge]

Weather ball over air slash for zard

[vernal shadow]

Yay i got a win despite a huge misplay offering up my win con into a +5 arch bc he chose to spare incin

[lost sun]

what u struggle with I've basically got this same team but gambit instead of sneasler

[cyan smelt]

farig helping hand blastoise is just malicious

[ripe grail]

Very helpful for pelipper dude

[ripe grail]

Perish trap at times

[spiral ridge]

You have rotom

[tawdry urchin]

Those are ahhh, doesn't fix my issue

[spiral ridge]

How do those not kill basc but Gallade does lol

[tawdry urchin]

Theres more issues than killing basc. You have mfs like incin that make starmie unusable

[spiral ridge]

Then mention incin lol

[lost sun]

bring smth with defiant or competitive

[spiral ridge]

If scovillain redirect isn’t letting you use starmie freely try Sneasler

Faster fake out and CC

[tawdry urchin]

Those only effect the user

[lost sun]

and u still get an advantage from it

it also might stop Ur opponent from leading Incin

[cyan smelt]

is it worth just running fake out dire claw cc and rock slide on sneasler with white herb

[tawdry urchin]

https://pokepast.es/d2a9b9be3a234ed1 Ok then, what else do I give Passimian?

[lost sun]

no idea

[tawdry urchin]

FUH

[lost sun]

no one has ever used passimian

[cyan smelt]

that thing is slower than delphox and aero and zard

[lost sun]

gambit would be nice here

instead of passimian

[tawdry urchin]

gambit it lowk outside trickroom and it doesn't support starmie. Sucker punch merchant 🙏

[lost sun]

id also change yache berry on chomp since when I had it on the berry hardly got used

[lost sun]

how does it not support starmie

good against basc

[cyan smelt]

this team seems kinda passive

[lost sun]

resists the dark ghost and grass types too

gambit is fine out of tr it's quite bulky and uses sucker punch if u need to move first

[tawdry urchin]

Starmie is there to go boom, nothing else

[cyan smelt]

then it's good to have gambit to hit the ghost types that starmie won't hit

[lost sun]

huge power gambit would hit like a truck too

[ripe grail]

Yes but helpful in opposing zard Y matchups and chomps too

[cyan smelt]

i never even thought about huge power gambit but that sounds awesome

get the defiant boost and then skill swap huge power

[lost sun]

pretty sure weatherball hits just as hard against a garchomp as air slash does

[spiral ridge]

If you want something for Pelipper charizard and chomp then add ice beam to rotom doesn’t itlearn it

[lost sun]

and for zard y u have Ur own chomp

[spiral ridge]

But yeah I never bring my zard out til I know chomp is gone

[ripe grail]

Y'all are right but man idk
I've felt that all this goes down the drain in quite a few matches

I find myself using air slash way too often

[lost sun]

I think Ur just overestimating air slash tbh

[spiral ridge]

Also you have solar beam for peli which is neutral

[ripe grail]

I might not have the weather mateee

[spiral ridge]

A weather ball for general usage can help you a lot

[lost sun]

give rotom thunderbolt

[tawdry urchin]

https://pokepast.es/ddc963c69fa01639 Fine then, what do I give it?

[spiral ridge]

Then zard should be rotating out matee

[ripe grail]

Aight worth a shot imo

[ripe grail]

Volt switch?

[lost sun]

kowtow for other farigs and sinistcha

[ripe grail]

Yeah worth trying imo

Fair fair
Anything else??

[spiral ridge]

The wars be a weather matee

[lost sun]

I got volt switch wisp eweb and bolt on mine

[tawdry urchin]

and?

[ripe grail]

No protect and pump?

[lost sun]

nah I hardly used pump

[ripe grail]

Is it scarfed?

[spiral ridge]

Gambit third move is either low kick or iron head

[lost sun]

not rn but I'm thinking I might

[lost sun]

use lowkick

[ripe grail]

I ain't trusting any of my mons with scarf 🙏🙏

Any item changes anything??

Thunderbolt for pump and weather ball for slash

Anything else?

[lost sun]

I'd swap protect on Incin for a dark attack

[tawdry urchin]

Do I run black glasses or chople berry?

[cyan smelt]

chople

[ripe grail]

Hasn't worked out for me man personally

[lost sun]

u got more of a support set for venu so u could change it's item to leftovers and give rotom the grass resist berry

that's what I got and it's good

[ripe grail]

Not bad honestly

Scarf who?.

[lost sun]

for chople u need an intimidate to survive sneasler cc

[lost sun]

I don't have scarf don't think u need it

[ripe grail]

And sash who?

[tawdry urchin]

glasses it is, tysm

[gentle crag]

1uk919 has given 1 Gen Rep to alexr8698

[cerulean nacelle]

Are you max speed max special attack on chomp?

[lost sun]

chomp

[ripe grail]

Yeppp

[cerulean nacelle]

Was having a convo with some other people. The things yache is there for really isn't that good.

It's not worth running yache on speedy chomp.

[ripe grail]

Nah I think yache better

Face more of icy winds and shirt than anything else

[ripe grail]

Hmmm I seee

[lost sun]

I had yache for like a week I think it activated maybe 3 or 4 times

[ripe grail]

Kinda right yeah

[lost sun]

I got white herb on mine but u need that for sneasler

[ripe grail]

Yeppp

[cerulean nacelle]

Icy wind will never kill a chomp anyway, and icy wind is becoming rarer because you don't wanna accidentally proc a gambit or milotic boost.

[ripe grail]

What do I run then jack

[lost sun]

does Ur chomp often get statused

[ripe grail]

Rarely

Honestly

[lost sun]

think u should use either sash or lum berry

[ripe grail]

I see

[lost sun]

haban could be nice against other chomps

[ripe grail]

True that

[cerulean nacelle]

Haban is good. Scarf chomp is actually good because you aren't running any other speed control.

Soft sand chomp if you wanna power up the EQs

Etc etc. But I just overall don't think yache is very good rn.

[ripe grail]

Scarf is very scary for me

Imagine it's my last mon

[cyan smelt]

what about fairy reduction berry

[lost sun]

char y is usually good into floette teams

[ripe grail]

Not required

Never faced issue

Chomp Outspeeds floette anyway

[cyan smelt]

sitrus?

[lost sun]

it's a speed tie

[lost sun]

Incin has it

[ripe grail]

Inc

Item on rotom then???

[cyan smelt]

scarf rotom is good

[lost sun]

grass resist berry or scarf

[ripe grail]

Grass it is then

Does it survive zard Y beam?

[lost sun]

ye

[ripe grail]

Fair enough?

One unnerve mon and am cooked 💀💀

[lost sun]

do u use hydro pump often?

I've used it like 4 or 5 times and it missed twice so I just removed it

[cyan smelt]

i swear hydro pump is always 100% accurate when used against me

it has never missed against me yet

[cyan smelt]

wtf is casual battles man, scarf archaludon

[cerulean nacelle]

Hydro pump is annoying but still useful. I wouldm't be caught without one.

[cerulean nacelle]

scarf arch is a funny mon. Seen it on a few teams.

[lost sun]

not like I need it on a sun team

[cerulean nacelle]

its not necessarily needed. But its appreciated. Can help you go into mons like ttar where you dont wanna bring your zard anywhere near.

[lost sun]

I got lowkick on gambit and garchomp and ttar is probably the only Mon I would use hydropump over thunderbolt

[cerulean nacelle]

you'd still be surprised how often it can come up.

[lost sun]

think I'd use eweb more

[cerulean nacelle]

can you still run wash rotom without hydro pump in champions? Ik the forms are specific arent they? Typically in the older games you'd have to run the stab to run the form.

[cerulean nacelle]

i go either ewebs or will o wisp. I prefer to have the stronger ish type coverage of hydro and tbolt

[cyan smelt]

what does everyone think of palafin

[cerulean nacelle]

its a dolphin

[cerulean nacelle]

no uh... it can work. I think a lack of band kinda hurts him though.

mystic water + rain boosted jet punch does hurt but its still not banded + rain boosted jet punch

[cyan smelt]

i'm on a 5 win streak, maybe my team isn't so bad after all

[cerulean nacelle]

whats ur team?

[cyan smelt]

gliscor, sneasler, mega kang, a9, skeledirge, gambit

[cerulean nacelle]

That's a pretty fun lineup.

Skeledirge supremacy fr.

How does big man dirge do into mega floette?

[cyan smelt]

not fantastic considering its high special bulk

[cerulean nacelle]

I was thinking more yawn disruption and resisting fairy.

[cyan smelt]

true it's good for that

yawn is actually really nice, stops a lot of setup

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah I think yawn or wisp has a fair bit of potential.

[chrome knot]

@torn parrot rain bunny is so broken i went undefeated at local :3

all the mini changes made it feel insanely strong

[cyan smelt]

does anyone actually use mega feraligatr outside casual battles

[cerulean nacelle]

I tried to. It's just a lot of effort.

[cyan smelt]

the big man dirge is great into sneasler

the bald man i should say

[spiral ridge]

oah good jobbb

[rustic mountain]

i havent seen skele once

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah I would've assumed so. Immune to both fake out CC and resists dire claw. Pretty funky.

[cerulean nacelle]

Its by no means a popular mon in doubles. Not having tera does limit its defensive capabilities. But it still has some potential.

[chrome knot]

thanky

[gentle crag]

setsumizi has given 1 Gen Rep to scottyboi7422

[chrome knot]

time for a nice nap

[spiral ridge]

You earned it enjoy

[chrome knot]

& then wake up tmrw for mcdonald biscuit

[spiral ridge]

Fuck yeah

Wait tomorrow
Girl is this the nap of the century

[chrome knot]

mhm

[spiral ridge]

Well enjoy then

[chrome knot]

pizza & gummies tmrw

so much yay tmrw

[spiral ridge]

Yeahh :3

I play overwatch with friends tomorrow

[chrome knot]

i go to beach an hour from home

and view the pretty stars

[spiral ridge]

Woahhh

Okay you win I’m jelly

Oh oh I had some good tank games I’m finally getting flow of junker queen and dominetta :3

I keep headhsotting with dom her gun just makes sense with how long it takes to aim at head for me lmfao

[rustic mountain]

oh i didnt even mean it as me not seeing it = bad, really just the observation like wow havent come across that so far

[cerulean nacelle]

Ik. I'm not saying it's bad either. It's just not super popular. It has sole obvious weaknesses etc.

[rustic mountain]

yea the meta rn is a bit hostile for it imo

maybe some1 can make it work

doesnt have horrible mus into every common mon

[spark siren]

@cerulean nacelle is this a good doubles moveset for Milotic: Scald, Icy Wind, Hypnosis, Coil

[cerulean nacelle]

Most people run recover if you're going to run the coil hypnosis set.

Icy wind doesn't tend to be as high of a priority on those kinda sets.

[cerulean nacelle]

It's mainly basculegion ngl. He's very prevelant. Kingambit also threatens damage but has to be more careful.

[dense latch]

i would drop icy wind for recover if you’re doing a coil set

most are usually muddy water since that also benefits from coil but scald is okay

[spark siren]

how do i counter belly drum huge power azumarill if my doubles team doesn't have a grass, poison, or electric type mon/attack?

[next dust]

You add one

But I don't see you crossing huge power azumarill that often tbh

[cerulean nacelle]

Azumarill is not that guy. I wouldn't counterpick specifically for it.

[keen quiver]

So we all participating??

[chrome knot]

noo

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm not.

Im currently thinking about how to teambuild on skeledirge

My main issue is picking teammates atm.

And whether to go will-o-wisp or yawn.

[dry nexus]

I'm always scared of bringing ghost types because of the evil and intimidating one piece reference

[cerulean nacelle]

there is a certain king who likes to do gambits

but, the dirge will torch song his skele, so i feel it balances out

[dry nexus]

I think the dirge can survive the sucky move but that specific move is the sole reason I run upsies on my kitty cat

[cerulean nacelle]

upsies?

oh upper hand?

im ngl I think dirge has potential. Its actually faster than gambit without any investment so i can land a will o wisp and neutralise it. It should in theory be a good match up into scovillain.

Atm ive got dirge, clefable, garchomp and gyarados

I do acknowledge that i need a floette answer...

[dry nexus]

I do wonder, can mega scizor bullet punch OHKO the floe?

[real prairie]

Shiny chien-pao + champions

[dark sorrel]

It can, on a high roll

[cerulean nacelle]

probably. Technician BP does typically go brrrr. but scizor is also kinda midddd

[dry nexus]

yeah it seems this guy just melts in doubles

[cerulean nacelle]

he shouldnt in theory but a lotta teams have ways to neutralise him.

[keen quiver]

"Yea lets give every mon a fire type move

[cerulean nacelle]

im really liking gyarados atm ngl

[spark siren]

yeah. any strong fire types (especially Volcarona) can tear through Scizor

[cerulean nacelle]

you're weirdly obsessed with volc my dude lol

but yeah, scizor doesn't really counter enough without set up first. Its in a weird spot.

[keen quiver]

how i feel after randomly 1 tapping dragonite with multiscale active

[cerulean nacelle]

the fuck you do?

was it mega froslass blizzard shenanigans?

[keen quiver]

Ninetales with never-melt ice 🤑

[dry nexus]

my goat ninetales mentioned

[cerulean nacelle]

were you max special attack?

[keen quiver]

yup

[keen quiver]

I have Both forms
gonna make a sunlight team with kanto ninetales 😍

[cerulean nacelle]

that makes sense then. Ballsy to not be focus sash ngl. but thats a funny gimmick.

[cerulean nacelle]

prepare to be heavily disappointed lmao

[keen quiver]

gonna make a team with castform as well 😍

[dry nexus]

I tried finding a match in SwSh for old times sake

can't find anything

[cerulean nacelle]

Lmao just had the funniest reason that a team gimmick failed

It was an alolan raichu + meowstic lead.

The meowstic megas and fakes out my garchomp and the raichu sets up psychic terrain.

But the meowstic traces my rotoms levitate. So expanding force DOESNT WORK

[wild stream]

I wonder if that could just be alakazam and meowstic instead

[winter fox]

Is Mega Meganium Rain not viable anymore what's going on 😭

I have been on six game losing streak

[dapper oak]

wait what pokemon have drizzle in this game it would be so much easier if i did not have to waste a turn setting up rain dance with blastoise

[spiral ridge]

Pelipper

Just use peli

[dapper oak]

fck pelipper

alright fine only for double battle stuff

that way archaludon actually viable

ooo maybe scarf might be good

that way spatk buff plus extra speed and one turn to use

[chrome knot]

lopunny has rain dance

[dapper oak]

i said no dance but thx'

[chrome knot]

wasn’t talking to you lowk

[dapper oak]

oh shoot mb

[spiral ridge]

Yes she does honey

[chrome knot]

i like that

[spiral ridge]

Mhm

[chrome knot]

what

[dapper oak]

mega golurk has no guard right'

[chrome knot]

unseen fist

[dapper oak]

fck

but it does go through protect which is good

but that means that dynamic punch is still 50/50

[spiral ridge]

Do not use dynamic punch on an ability that already makes attacks into a protect reduced lol

[dapper oak]

wait huh

i havent looked at klutz yet hold on