competitive_discussion

[ripe grail]

I fell from 1910 to 1810 yesterday

Hurts like shit

My rotom has never escape a rock slide flinch atp

Mf always flinches its so annoying

[cerulean nacelle]

I feel that. I've been trying a bulky zard X + alola tales team.

My alola tales got up veil but an aerodactyl got up tailwind. Ninetales flinched twice in a row.

[cyan smelt]

We need covert cloak back

Either that or inner focus stonks rising

[cerulean nacelle]

When covert cloak comes back, sneasler stonks gonna drop lol.

[cyan smelt]

I wonder when we'll get more items, probably next season

[cerulean nacelle]

I will say I had a very lucky game where basically it came down to my low health kingambit and mega froslass vs their kingambit.

I predicted the gambit would attack into my gambit and protected. Blizzard chunked some health. I actually protected gambit again knowing it probably would fail but I was predicting the sucker punch, which the enemy gambit did. Blizzard then chunked the health and got a freeze.

So I won from sheer mind games and a bit of RNG.

Which, thank God, because my sinistcha died to a crit dazzling gleam from mega floette. Aurora veil can't save it from that

[cyan smelt]

I'm actually really worried about my gambit eating a light of ruin

[cerulean nacelle]

Don't be. Be more worried about gambit eating a moon blast. Light of ruin is such high recoil that even though it's powerful, it makes no sense to use overall.

[cyan smelt]

I think i have enough anti mega floette tech on my team, i'm still testing on showdown and need to play more

Just had ladder anxiety the past couple of days

[cerulean nacelle]

Mega floette is kinda weird anyway. But in general I don't struggle with it too much. Mega froslass still does a fair bit of damage to it with blizzard and can eat hits with aurora veil.

Kingambit under veil eats hits like a champ and iron head is a clean kill.

Milotic is max special defense and can make floette slower to allow me better chances to OHKO it later etc.

And incin is incin. He is the wall.

[cyan smelt]

I'm wondering if i should switch from a9 to mega froslass

[cerulean nacelle]

Depends on the team. But mega froslass gives better control over weather wars because of being able to delay your mega to win an opposing mega weather war.

[cyan smelt]

Gambit, gliscor, sneasler, mega kang, skeledirge, a9

Don't really want two ghost types

[cerulean nacelle]

2 ghost types isn't the worst? My team has mega froslass and sinistcha. It's just about what utilities your mons can provide.

[cyan smelt]

Well skeledirge provides yawn pressure to force switches, especially good with setup mons or tr setters or fake out users, a9 does encore which i find useful, unfortunately it's usually sneasler doing the fake outs

[ripe grail]

Tales+ zard Y?
Damnnn

[cerulean nacelle]

Not zard Y I'm stupid. Bulky zard X 🤣

Lemme fix that

[ripe grail]

Yeahhh exactly 💀💀

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah skeledirge is also a ghost type which threatens gambit.

[ripe grail]

Zard X makes alot more sense

[cyan smelt]

I also have low kick on mega kang for ttar, gambit and incin, deals frightening damage to ttar and gambit

I feel like gambit has 4mss atm, i want kowtow and sucker fs but then i want low kick for the mirror and ttar but iron head for floette

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah I like bulky ddance zard X. Washtom is a nice partner on the team to be able to weaken mons like ttar and such with will o

[cerulean nacelle]

If you have low kick on mega kang I'd prioritise having iron head for the floette.

You can still do good damage to incineroar even without low kick because they'll most likely have procced defiant

[cyan smelt]

Yeah plus gliscor has high horsepower

[cerulean nacelle]

Idk how I feel about gliscor ngl

[cyan smelt]

That slot is open, may replace it with aero

[cerulean nacelle]

Milotic stonks are rising so icy wind or ice beam is gonna nuke gliscor. A muddy water will also hurt gliscor and gliscor doesn't have good access to recovery.

[cerulean nacelle]

Something like that maybe.

[cyan smelt]

If i see any ice type or milotic i don't bring gliscor

It's mainly for sand tbh

[cerulean nacelle]

Mega kang and positioning your alola tales correctly should help you beat sand.

[cyan smelt]

Not when i'm facing scarf ttar!

[cerulean nacelle]

I have only seen Scarf ttar once ngl.

[cyan smelt]

Feels like i face it all the time on champions

I also dunno how common ice punch is on ttar

[cerulean nacelle]

It's not lol

Maybe more common on scarf ttar if you really wanna guarantee you can smoke that garchomp?

[solid frigate]

scarf chomp is abundant so you don't care about ice punch ttat this much

[cerulean nacelle]

^

[solid frigate]

also about your bulky Zard X

i have the corv version

[cerulean nacelle]

Ah fair

Honestly I just wanted to fuck around with zard X + alola tales. It's by no means optimal.

But zard X do be eating hits.

[ripe grail]

I love intimidating the zard X tho 😂😂

This one time I predicted d dances 3 times in a row

Eventually I ended up with 3 mons left and he was left with a +3 speed -2 attack zard X 😂

[cyan smelt]

Mons that have all my friends are dead syndrome, hisuian goodra, mega zard x

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah incin does do work on zard x. Luckily sneasler is quite a fair bit more popular rn.

[ripe grail]

Sneasler is annoying

What my current lineup is
Zard Y ( max speed, max spA)
Garchomp ( max offense)
Rotom wash ( bulky)
Incin ( bulky)
Sneasler ( frail and fast)
Venus ( somewhat bulky and max spA)

@cerulean nacelle suggestions?

[cerulean nacelle]

Seems about right but idk ur moveset or items.

[ripe grail]

I'll send it when I get back to my room from my college

I lost to perish trap twice yesterday

Just bcz my zard Y missed heatwave on gengar in one game

And the other game he got off a double protect

[cerulean nacelle]

That's pretty bad RNG.

I do despise perish trap gengar but that's why I have kingambit + incin on my team. Most mega gengar users see those two and don't wanna bring it.

[cyan smelt]

Sometimes they double down and have politoed or primarina too though

Politoed isn't scared of incin or gambit

[cerulean nacelle]

If they've doubled down then they've hard committed to perish trap. It's their only plays In that scenario. I don't mind playing into that. Especially because if they don't lead gengar, my mega froslass can just do all the shenanigans it wants.

[ripe grail]

Makes sense

[cyan smelt]

I've got kang so I'm not scared of incin + mega gengar leads

I just need to learn to play against perish trap better

[cerulean nacelle]

Kang still can't kill mega gengar. You can fake it out, but you can't kill it. Your best coverage move for it is sucker punch and they'll just not attack.

[cyan smelt]

Kang is to fake out the incin partner, then while they protect I usually set up tailwind with gliscor

[cerulean nacelle]

I did not know gliscor got tailwind. That is interesting.

[cyan smelt]

And its best flying stab is dual wingbeat 😭

[cerulean nacelle]

Yup. Welcome to birbs that ain't birbs so they can't learn brave birb.

Are you running hyper cutter gliscor to prevent attack drops then

[cyan smelt]

You mean like gyarados and landorus

Yes

Poison heal is bait

[cerulean nacelle]

Gyarados, landorus, aerodactyl, gliscor etc.

The fact base aerodactyl has rock head and no access to any stab recoil moves is criminal.

Give it head smash at least 😭

[cyan smelt]

Unnerve is better when some of the best items are berries atm

It's like having calyrex back but not as oppressive

[cerulean nacelle]

I was referring more to a singles perspective.

Even before the mega, aero always had potential but was held back by its move pool.

[cyan smelt]

Many such cases of mons with good abilities but garbage movepools

[cerulean nacelle]

Or vice versa

archeops cough cough

[cyan smelt]

Regigigas

[cerulean nacelle]

Regigigas and slaking would be stupid without their abilities. Hence why everyone and their mother tried to use neutralising gas with them.

[cyan smelt]

Toedscruel would also be busted without its ability, fastest spore user, yikes

[cerulean nacelle]

Yup. I do like toedscruel. The only spore user that can use spore on garg and goldengo.

But always moves last for that is a rough drawback.

[cyan smelt]

If you use neutralising gas you negate those abilities anyway

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah once again I'm talking more in singles.

[cyan smelt]

Oh right

[cerulean nacelle]

People do just forget how toedscruel works lol

[cyan smelt]

People forget how scrappy works, it's crazy how much i can fake out a basculegion or a mega froslass

[strong anchor]

Are there any good checks/counters to use vs arch?

[cerulean nacelle]

Are you on about rain arch? Scarf arch?

[strong anchor]

Tbh any of the stamina ones

[cyan smelt]

Hit it really hard with sneasler

[cerulean nacelle]

^

Or ignore its defense and hit it specially.

I've won games purely from just spamming blizzards and beating down archaludon that way lol.

[cyan smelt]

Yeah it can't take moonblasts well either

Or fairy hyper voices

[cerulean nacelle]

Also really can't take a clangorous soul boosted aura sphere from kommo-o lol.

[cyan smelt]

Nothing can

[cerulean nacelle]

Some things can. Delphox can actually tank it well.

I'm not gonna say oh floette oh primarina because I ain't bringing kommo-o to those matches anyway.

[cyan smelt]

All this comp talk makes me want to hop on showdown again and see what I come across

[cerulean nacelle]

Chaos. Pure chaos.

[cyan smelt]

Delphox is surprisingly tanky

[strong anchor]

Cant think of any decent spa ground and or fighting mons to keep it in check.

Oh yeah, fairy works too as steel moves arent that common

[cyan smelt]

There's several good fighting options, you got sneasler, mega lucario or mega gallade or mamoswine, specially you got a9, mega froslass, mega floette, primarina, mega garde

[strong anchor]

Mega slot is taken, so id need non mega non water ideally

[cyan smelt]

Post your team

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah post team

[strong anchor]

Ill write up a paste.
Need a bit

Can you see a team basicly spread out on 1 screen in champions?

[cerulean nacelle]

No. Most people take 2 pics. 1 of the team and moves and then 1 of the stat spread and nature etc.

[strong anchor]

Well heres the team atm.
Its filled up with what i got laying around though i think the first 4 are neat.
https://pokepast.es/14aaa50070ed3307

[cyan smelt]

You need excadrill on this team

[cerulean nacelle]

Ohhhh it's skill swap starmie

[cyan smelt]

And rotom

[cerulean nacelle]

I don't think he necessarily needs drill. There's plenty of teams that utilise scarf ttar and don't run drill.

But drill would give you a very fast mon under the weather so its good to consider.

[strong anchor]

Idk about exca.
What would he add.

Rotom maybe?
But none seem fitting

Tbh ttar is one of those laying around mons

[cyan smelt]

Drill gives you a way to hit arch

[strong anchor]

Slapped it in for some weather control

I dont think exca can reliably break through

[cerulean nacelle]

I personally don't think skill swap starmie is that good. You're better off just hitting people hard with starmie.

[cyan smelt]

What do u think about speed swap drampa, jack

[cerulean nacelle]

Also quite mediocre imo.

They're funny gimmicks but I think people see someone who's good at the game play it once, think it's a good strategy and then don't actually learn how to utilise it.

[strong anchor]

Maybe, but its a fun thing to try.
Intimidate on command is neat

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm not saying don't use it. I just don't think it's all that.

[strong anchor]

Fair.
I dont expect it to be super good.
I wanna see how far i can push the idea.

[cerulean nacelle]

That's fair. I do vibe with that. The gyarados + starmie thing is a fun idea.

[strong anchor]

Yeah.
Ddance huge power could be a strong setup.
Basicly i use it as helping hand on crack.

I just need a way for physicly bulky mons like arch

Ttar and corvi are replacable.
Also thought about aqua tauros over gyra maybe

[cerulean nacelle]

Sneasler always does big damage to arc with CC

[strong anchor]

I guess sneasler is an option

[cyan smelt]

how common is scarf arch btw

[strong anchor]

I dont think that common

[cyan smelt]

i'm scared about mega blastoise

[strong anchor]

Isnt it rather slow?

[stray flare]

hi, i need help for Club Union and trade

[cyan smelt]

it usually has a fake out partner or redirection or something and all it needs is one shell smash

[stray flare]

someone is connecte ?

[strong anchor]

Idk sounds like wrong chat?
Whats a club union

[strong anchor]

Guess so.
But shell smash leaves it vulnerable to prio.
Or things to bulky to handle

[stray flare]

pokémon écarlate or violet

[strong anchor]

Spread moves and redirection of your own can help

[strong anchor]

Yeah wrong room then.
Either s/v room or the union circle thread

[cyan smelt]

yeah but it has farig as support

or sinistcha

[strong anchor]

Post your team then

Theres multiple ways to go around that

Shell smash is a react right or loose on the spot strat

Thngs like spread move on bulky resist mon like cha and then simply protect on other slot can help

[cyan smelt]

i feel like playing randbats has helped me with predictions a bit more

[strong anchor]

Sometimes you also gotta accept when to trade mons

[waxen dock]

Not very common

[cyan smelt]

why am i so scared of playing on showdown

[leaden fox]

Hmmm, trying to consider a team for Champions; used Sun, Sand and balance so far 😅

[leaden fox]

No idea O_o

[cyan smelt]

have u tried blastoise yet lol

[real prairie]

You know what, ive been stuck in MB1 for a few days now and beating myself up... TBH I should be lowkey proud

[leaden fox]

I say that is still a big accomplishment regardless

I'm in Master Ball Tier 3 atm xP

[real prairie]

Still want to push for CT but feeling a bit more accomplished rn

[leaden fox]

Still higher than me xP

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah master ball tier 1 is a great accomplishment man.

I don't expect to make it to champions so I'm just taking it slow and enjoying myself. I also gotta study and such so I can't always focus on gaming.

[leaden fox]

Why do I suspect that once iOS/Android's version of Champions comes out, may increase the playerbase, even by just a small amount, but who knows

[cerulean nacelle]

It probably will lol

[cyan smelt]

i really like yawn skeledirge

i just need to ladder and not worry about how i do because i'm just testing

[dry nexus]

I'm not built on something that requires luck

I deadass missed rock slide 3 times in a row

[leaden fox]

I would use Skeledirge myself since I like it's kit, etc; but need certain mons to get added before I do xD

[cerulean nacelle]

The dirge is a beast. Use him. Is good for you!

[leaden fox]

I know he is quite the beast xP

[cerulean nacelle]

He was my favourite unaware mon to use in singles.

Torch song, hex, will o wisp and slack off just made him a nuisance all round.

Because torch song is a sound move, it also bypasses substitute which is neat.

[wintry valley]

Man, it is always fun watching Zard-Y users rage quitting when I OHKO their mon

Conversely, watching my Mega-nium get OHKOd sucks too

[leaden fox]

Yeah, Char Y is starting to get easily countered atm; but I know I'd love to see Meganium do more too 😅
I think Meganium will do more once more mons drop into the game, like Amoongus, etc

[wintry valley]

Ive started bringing Sash Aerodactyl instead of Pelipper to my games, making a world of difference. Just need to find a mon to fill the last slot (currently pelipper), and maybe consider dropping dragonite as Im using Archaludon

[leaden fox]

Yeah, Aerodactyl does well to counter Sneasler; maybe could suggest Milotic or Kingambit as well; a means to punish Incineroar players

As well as Icy Wind spammers xP

[wintry valley]

Yeah thinking that. Also thinking maybe another mega, as only running Meganium really limits my team spread

[leaden fox]

Hm, always the tough choice when considering a second Mega at times

I try not to run double Megas, but that isn't always the case

[wintry valley]

Well like running a 2nd choice mega, so that if it is a match where meganium really is outmatched I can choose not to bring it

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I am trying to remember all the current Megas in the game atm that may work alongside Meganium a little as an option change; though it all depends on your full team atm

[wild stream]

i think talonflame as a sneasler counter

[leaden fox]

tbf, Aerodactyl Jolly nature does easily counter Sneasler too; unless you are aiming for Upper Hand Talon

A suggestion for your second Mega could be: Gengar, Skarmory or Delphox

[dark sorrel]

pretty much stuck on ultra rank 2, which I assume is just my current skill level. Mostly got there with a tailwind rain team, but the prevalence of trick room teams required me to change the team a bit, but haven't had a lot of success. Tried a few other teams, including a trick room team of my own but it's mostly about 3-4 losses to every 1 win regardless of what team I'm playing, so I have to assume this is just my skill level atm.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, Trick Room is a 50/50 situation right now; though may improve once Indeedee drops into the game

[real prairie]

is there no way to clear battle names on champions?

not disable them, just clear them for certain mons

[cerulean nacelle]

I dont think ive run a double mega yet.

[cerulean nacelle]

trick room is still winnable but you have to play well. My bulkier aurora veil team does well into TR because mons like kingambit, sinistcha and incin are usually slow and bulky anyway and can take the hits.

[severe token]

I ALMOST GOT MY WHOLE TEAM SHOT BY A GENGAR IN CHAMPIONS

MY VIVILIONS FOCUS SASH CAME IN CLUTCH

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I haven't done so either

[indigo coral]

For your own Pokemon right? What I've had to do for a couple was just manually rename them to their original name. Like for the Battle Champion Sylveon from ScVi, I just renamed the foreign language name to Sylveon

[dark sorrel]

I had some success with a torkoal sun team, but then that team gets trashed by non-trick room teams. I'll play half a dozen games with that team and still come out with about two wins overall.

Guess I'm struggling to find a team that works into multiple strategies, but that's why I think it's a skill level issue rather than a team issue

[indigo coral]

Have you tried a Sand team yet? I've been having a lot of success with Mega Tyranitar / Focus Sash Aerodactyl / Choice Scarf Garchomp / Mega Delphox / Sitrus Berry Gyarados / Leftovers Sinistcha

[formal parrot]

Wish they add in more items soon

[leaden fox]

They likely will soon

[indigo coral]

If I had to guess... since Regulation M-A lasts two months/seasons, the soonest we'll get new content is whatever Regulation comes next

[formal parrot]

hope Clear Amulet is next among them, so I can use Physical AeSla

[indigo coral]

If I was TPC, I'd be adding new items extremely slowly to add longevity to the game over time

Same with adding new Pokemon over time, I'd imagine a hypothetical Regulation M-B would add around 8 or so of the missing Megas and remove some of the filler slash trash mons

[dark sorrel]

I like the idea of sand teams but sand teams were also some of my simplest fights coming up so uh

[leaden fox]

@indigo coral Obviously I don't mind them adding mons slowly, but items may need to be a little quicker

If they give us 5 to 6 certain items next season, it'll be better

[cerulean nacelle]

theres a difference between bad teams and bad players.

ive seen good teams and them be easy fights because of bad players lol

[river tangle]

Currently trying to form a team around mega crab, anyone got a good secondary mega to put in the team?

[leaden fox]

For a Trick Room format?

[river tangle]

Current team members are
Mega Crabominable
Farigiraf
Incineroar
Sylveon
Sinischa

[river tangle]

Yes

[leaden fox]

Mega Drampa?

[river tangle]

Specifically trick room for champions

[leaden fox]

Mega Drampa is 36 speed

[river tangle]

A bit eh for drampa

[leaden fox]

Mega Chesnaught is an option too

[river tangle]

Was thinking mega golurk, but team will become too dark-weak

[cerulean nacelle]

Perhaps kingambit? Its pretty slow and punishes opposing intimidate. Also works in and out of TR thanks to sucker punch.

[gentle crag]

diobrando8256 has given 1 Gen Rep to eurphios

[cerulean nacelle]

Though ima be real hard TR is a bit weak atm.

[river tangle]

Second team I have is rain, which is the standard
Basc
Archaludon
Pelipper
Incin
Sneasler
Mega meganium

[dark sorrel]

that's why I think it's a skill issue. I just have to get better. I do think rain should play well into the charizard Y meta that seems to be about. The torkoal sun team might be an issue on the team end though. I'm not seeing many running torkoal but it's useful as a anti trick room mon.

good news is most of the battles are close, bad news is it's still a loss lol

[cerulean nacelle]

Rain is strong but zard can auto shift weather so it's not as easily clean cut. Gotta play very efficiently.

It's why I've seen some people running scarf adaptability basculegion in the rain alongside a sneasler, as their gameplan is to actually fake out the venu partner or whims partner and flip turn out into pelli to win the weather war.

Not to mention adaptability + rain boosted wave crashes hit like a truck.

[river tangle]

Thought of something, what do you guys think of speed swap alakazam+mega crab?

[cerulean nacelle]

The same thing I think of speed swap onto mega drampa. It's gimmicky.

Drampa however had a strong spread move and doesn't have to worry about intimidates at all. So it's a better user for the gimmick.

[leaden fox]

It does at least get STAB Hyper Voice

[dark sorrel]

yeah I rarely led pellipper and switched in and out. I cut off solar beam so many times doing that. Basc + Sneasler was usually the opener. But knowing this is the usual play, just tells me I'm not executing the team well enough

[cerulean nacelle]

I think you knowing that's a good play into the sun match up means you're learning good habits. It's just important to be able to adapt if things go pear-shaped.

[dark sorrel]

and what do you do into trick room? Obviously avoid it going up in the first place. But once it's up, the team is very speed dominated. Except maybe pelliper.

[cerulean nacelle]

protects and potentially see what you can utilise elsewhere. Basculegion should have aqua jet so once the farigiraf is down, basculegion always threatens strong priority presence, otherwise its about utilising your slower, bulkier mons, such as maybe mega meganium or arch to a good degree.

most of the format is speed dominated anyway. But a lot of people also have slow bulky pokemon that can be a nuisance such as sinistcha, incin, etc.

[subtle saffron]

Mega dragonite can sweep teams

I rarely get to use my other mons

If you get a good spread of moves that covers a lot of weaknesses

Its good against everything except azumaril

[red willow]

Man gengar shiny kinda sus

Hes just slightly lighter purple

Oh ig if I mega it it turns white at least

Thanks tpc

Mega gengar is definitely seinfeld

Female garchomp is Reba

Who is Raymond

Incin cause everybody loves raymond

[real prairie]

My new HO team if anyone wants to try it (ignore the nicknames, can't reset the bastard things)

[red willow]

Looks flame I just sent over a shiny geng I wanna try

But I gotta finish grinding for mega flo

Only 9 more battle royales or whatever (yay)

[cerulean nacelle]

Ok I think I have peaked at 1900s with my current froslass team sadly. Milotic is proving to be a major nuisance.

[indigo coral]

Why can't you reset them? Just rename them in the summary screen

[real prairie]

You'd have to make their battle name their actual name, you can't remove the battle name

[indigo coral]

Yeah exactly, literally just do that. It's functionally the exact same thing

[bold ocean]

does anyone have an archaludon rain team that wants to help me practice? i'm trying to learn how to deal with it

my main counters are garchomp and sneasler if that helps

[red willow]

Does a male shiny kingambit give off more Ross Joey or Chandler energy from the 90s US sitcom Friends

Im thinking Ross

They must all have 90s sitcom appropriate names or the shtick wont work

[cerulean nacelle]

I reckon chandler. Kingambit looks like he'd be sarcastic all the time ngl.

I also need to make a new team. I love my bulky froslass team but I'm struggling into charizard Y + whimsicott. I am considering just dropping incineroar for sneasler, because ima be real, sneasler not proccing milotic or kingambit is very useful.

[red willow]

Debating on trying this except with Kommo o for Arch and M Delphox for Floette for now instead thoughts?

[stuck perch]

https://x.com/alexis_vgc/status/2046180677754733017?s=46&t=KB4CVv355gDMDGNjhuVNuA

Francesco Pardini 🇺🇦 (@Alexis_Vgc)

As expected, the first major Champions tournament of the format, with over 1,000 players, ended with a top cut completely dominated by Mega Floette. That is not okay at all. Champions is not supposed to be a pay-to-win game! #paytonwin 🥱

X · Apr 20, 2026, 10:54 AM

[red willow]

Ig you lose the ability to safely sludge wave into one of your mons then is the only problem

[real prairie]

I have arch for dual steel types so I can spam sludge wave

[red willow]

Thats fair for sure

[real prairie]

You could have corvinight and garchomp as another option

[stuck perch]

I forgot the ability wen a Pokemon gets poisoned they get stronger

[red willow]

? I prolly still wouldnt hit my own mon off a 170 spa stat for a 10 percent chance of posion heal/guts procs lol

[stuck perch]

That sounds terrible wen you put it like that

[wheat rapids]

anyone got a non mega gardevoir set they like using?

[red willow]

Ig I always just think of corv as a tw setter for the most part forgetting he has bulky body press mode too haha

[spark siren]

Since my Volcarona is mostly rage powder support, should I go for Bug Buzz or Struggle Bug as my second bug type move?

[red willow]

Struggle bug for full on support prolly

[spark siren]

i have heat wave on volcarona for spread damage and possible burn

[red willow]

Id much rather have -1 spattack on both my oppos threats for a bit less dmg than slightly more dmg for no effect generally

Like yeah 30 bp is a decent chunk

But on a bulky support mon you are prolly looking for the utility and stat reduction over flat dmg

[spark siren]

Ehh. I still prefer heat wave just for the extra damage. That's just me

[solid frigate]

Struggle Bug is supportive

What’s the set btw

[spark siren]

Here's my set for volcarona right now: Heat Wave, Struggle Bug, Rage Powder, Protect

[indigo coral]

Uh... what? That picture of top cut doesn't have a single Floette in it anywhere. Why are they just lying on the internet smh my head my head

[stuck perch]

Just spreading misinformation tbh smh

[red willow]

Somebody just tried to parting shot kommo o lmfaooooo

[indigo coral]

Oof, that's a learning experience moment. Now they know for next time

Had a game yesterday where someone found out what Armor Tail does after trying to Fake Out plus Sucker Punch into my Farigiraf plus Incineroar lead

[red willow]

Thats rough for oppo lmfao

Clanging scales lowkey kinda good in doubles

And they cant just ignore it either cause then they risk you clangerous souling

[pearl wind]

winning due to a double protect feels so bad 😖

[solid frigate]

Yeah heatwave or wisp is fine on Support Volcarona

[cerulean nacelle]

Can't be scummier than me. I got double freezes on this gardevoir talonflame team.

I'm ngl I do like mega garde but I don't think this is the format for it.

I am prolly gonna do an aero sneasler combo on my next team.

[spark siren]

What is a good support set for Milotic?

[cerulean nacelle]

Depends what ur teams doing. What ive seen atm is scald, icy wind or ice beam depending on if you want damage or speed control, hypnosis/life dew, protect.

[spark siren]

Froslass, Kingambit, and Garchomp are my main attackers. Volcarona redirects while doing some damage w/Heat Wave and Struggle Bug. Whimsicott helps with speed (tailwind).

[wheat rapids]

Anyone running gardevoir as a telepathy partner for someone like garchomp, or as a secondary mega with trick room and finding success?

[cerulean nacelle]

i think scald, icy wind, hypnosis and protect are probably good then.

[spark siren]

What about EV spread?

[winter fox]

What other two options are there besides Sneasler and Incin on a Mega Delphox team?

[red willow]

I am officially a Kommo o believer soundproof is fun e

[red willow]

? For what roles? Support and single target dmg I assume?

[cerulean nacelle]

I was running lum berry with soundproof on my kommo-o lol

Ironically, blocking perish song is funny.

[cerulean nacelle]

I believe most are going specially defensive to live hits from floette and zard Y solar beams and such.

[cerulean nacelle]

Also wdym by this? For like... fake out?

Or just support in general? The reason those two mons are used is because they're so good.

[winter fox]

They don't really fit on my team. Like they're not doing anything since I also have Mega Floette.

[red willow]

???? Mega floette and those mons all entirely serve different purposes and have unique typing lol

[cerulean nacelle]

They can still work? Like... sneasler + delphox or floette + sneasler is a very strong starting pair.

But if you want other support, friend guard maushold is a common one. Redirection, helping hand, super fang to chunk bulky mons like milotic, etc.

[red willow]

Sinistcha and clefable are p good supports in my experience as well

Clefable is prolly more relegated to teams with a specific hard hitting threat you wanna protect/ buff up with helping hand tho

And since youre on flo dont want another pure fairy

Prolly

[winter fox]

I think I have a Maushold in S/V I can transfer over

I might put Sinistcha in place of Incin, since it has Strength Sap.

[real prairie]

That'll do for tonight, slowly climbing but god to I never want to have agron Vs milotic ever again

[next stump]

https://x.com/mentalsyndrome/status/2046300983379263606?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

Mentalsyndrome (@mentalsyndrome)

Explicit confirmation that we’re staying OTS for Champions 🥳🥳

X · Apr 20, 2026, 6:52 PM

[cerulean nacelle]

In the 2000s, nice. Im still sitting around 1930. Got a couple bad losses but I picked it back up with some wins.

[real prairie]

Yeah, 200 points to push for champions tier.

If I can call myself one of the top 300 players it's a good personal accomplishment

[real prairie]

That's good but expected

[next stump]

yeah i agree, not sure why some people online thought OTS was gone

[real prairie]

People think because ladder is cts so will the tournaments but that's just foolish really. Tbh thing that annoys me is it's still a private lobby situation and not 1 big hosted online tournament managed by them. The idea you have to get up and move every round feels very dated, should be assigned a seat and be able to play all the games via the switch really imo.

LAN based in the docks

[cerulean nacelle]

That is pretty sick. I'd like to get to champion tier just to get those last couple box spaces lol.

But ima be real I'm quite content with master rank 2.

[red willow]

So Ive been trying Mega Geng and its been getting ohkod pretty consistently after getting one attack off should I not be leading it into suspected incins ig? Didnt think uninvested throat chop ohkod but it does lol

[real prairie]

It's a glass cannon you need to either be confident you are going to KO it's threats or accept it's going down but taking something big with it

[red willow]

Ah igy

[real prairie]

If you are trading it for mega Floette for example it's a decent trade

[red willow]

For sure for sure

Still 4-0 since trying out the concept so I appreciate the inspiration

[real prairie]

Appreciate it too, I shifted from the UO to this team and been winning too

[red willow]

People just blatantly have misplayed into Kommo o 3/4 games lol

[real prairie]

Went 7-0 earlier

[red willow]

Had someone try to parting shot it someone else try to perish it and a 3rd try to hyper voice it lmao

[real prairie]

Most people don't expect soundproof TBF over overcoat

[solid frigate]

This is gotta be the weirdest game I ever seen

[red willow]

I mean I can see the merit in either really I just wouldnt risk it lol

Honestly just smack it with a fairy move asap and move on

Not worth to test a powder/sound move and lose a whole turn lol

[wild stream]

Round inflicts damage. If another Pokémon uses Round before the user this turn, the user will use Round directly after it (regardless of Speed); all but the first Round within a turn will double in power to 120.
Holy hell

[sudden remnant]

please tell me trick room was up

cuz why was tha giraffe faster than the mega gardevoir

[red willow]

Idk mega garde isnt exactly winning any races is it

[sudden remnant]

base 100

[red willow]

Ah okay

Thought it was 80 or 90

[sudden remnant]

nope 100 flat

[red willow]

Ive ran into exactly one so far on ladder lol

[red willow]

Many more mega flos around than it

[sudden remnant]

WHY WAS THE FARIG FASTER

PLEASE TELL ME TRICK ROOM WAS UP

[wild stream]

Needs to be tr

so it can't not be tr

so it was tr

[red willow]

Quick claw farig:

[sudden remnant]

i mean it could be max speed timid farig 😭

[wild stream]

is qc not after mega

[sudden remnant]

yes it is

we’d have seen the quick claw activate

[red willow]

Does it say the proc

[sudden remnant]

yes

[red willow]

Oh ok

The gimmickiest imprison farig of all time: lmao

I will outspeed sneasler and ohko with my gimmicky ass item

[sudden remnant]

im curious if it was tr or timid max speed farig

[red willow]

Either is plausible

[sudden remnant]

and maybe the Garde was modest and max HP max SpA or Phys Def

[red willow]

At the end of the day round gamer is based

[sudden remnant]

true

i wish it was echoed voice personally

[red willow]

Lmao sometimes Im like theres no way this scarfed up basc is solo clearing their last 3 mons and then he does

Le humble light screen into 3 remaining sp attackers:

Thanks whimsi your death wasnt in vain lol

[solid frigate]

someone did not read the whole thing

[wild stream]

whimsi is built like that

[sudden remnant]

i did read the whole thing

OH I MISSED THAT

ZOROARK STRIKES LMAO

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-ooo-building-throw-throw-away-eiji-hino-gif-20195508

[sudden remnant]

in my defense, I just had a customer ask me if a hot latte was gonna be warm

[red willow]

Naw

Its gonna be hot

[sudden remnant]

naw its gonna be fucking frozen

what kind of question is that

[red willow]

Working in the service industry myself I can tell you

Some peoples stupidity cannot be overstated

[solid frigate]

thats the world we are in

Especially people from America

[red willow]

Had a customer ask if our ALREADY finely chopped romaine salad could be hand chopped even further and tossed in heavy dressing with all the fixings

Sent it out as requested

[sudden remnant]

hey im american im not that bad. i wish i could say to same for others

[red willow]

Got it back with a complaint that we used too much dressing and the lettuce was too fine

[sudden remnant]

throw it in their face

along with the receipt with the detailed instructions of how they asked for it

[red willow]

I just wish we could have a hall of shame for the customers

[sudden remnant]

we wouldnt have enough room for all of ours

[red willow]

So the servers could know who to not be quite so excellent to lmfao

[sudden remnant]

“Is that hot latte gonna be warm” is exactly what he said to me

[red willow]

Are there braincells in your skull that are actively working

[sudden remnant]

i guess not

[red willow]

Is what Id really be tempted to say but yk

I need to pay rent sadly

[sudden remnant]

i am absolutely certain i had the gen z stare on my face when he came to the window

[red willow]

Lol my biggest thing in the customer is always right culture of the service industry is that like

They arent?

[sudden remnant]

they almost never are

[red willow]

Fr

[sudden remnant]

ive been here for years its exceptionally rare i slip up on something

[red willow]

Yeah Im coming off 10 years of cooking demoted myself from managerial line lead to assistant manager down all the way to foot soldier now lmao

The responsibilty of showing up whenever someone calls in

(Every day)

Wears on you

[sudden remnant]

im going on 4 years

i do manager things but only get paid as a supervisor and this is what i deal with every day

i get at least 2 stupid questions a day

[red willow]

Mega Delphox is kinda good actually huh Id better thank them for setting up sun for me lmao

Dat heat wave kinda hurtz

[sudden remnant]

and then theres the mfs that dont fucking listen 😭

[red willow]

We are out of that

"Well can I have it"

[sudden remnant]

i say we dont have plain timbits “can i have plain timbits” 😐

[red willow]

Lmaooooo

[shadow wind]

Tim Hortons mentioned??

[sudden remnant]

we havent carried plain timbits in the 4 years ive been here btw

[red willow]

The last time I went to one I was back in Canada are they even down here in the states?

Maybe up north?

[sudden remnant]

yesh i work at tims hoes

[sudden remnant]

affirmative

[red willow]

Ahhhh igy

[sudden remnant]

tim hortons in the us is mostly northern states close to the border

[red willow]

I think I maybe spied one in seattle on my way up but idk

Been like a decade lol

Speaking of I should prolly go visit the fam soon lol

[shadow wind]

I haven’t been to one in a week 😔

Cause shockingly they don’t have them in Australia

[sudden remnant]

dont come to mine we have nothing good here

[red willow]

Vancouver is pretty nice here in like a month anyway

[sudden remnant]

i would go to canada but man its rough in both countries rn

[red willow]

Start of juneish

I meant weather wise

We wont even get into political wise

[sudden remnant]

i mean people wise

[red willow]

Yeah thats a thing too

[sudden remnant]

but yeah i wanted to go to toronto regionals in jan but uhhhhhh

probably best i dont atm

[next stump]

closest tim hortons to me (chicago) is 3 hours away in michigan

RIP

i miss that place

[sudden remnant]

michigan mentioned

thats my home right there 🗣️

also hello neighbor

[next stump]

howdy

[shadow wind]

Closest tims to me was like a 15 minute drive

And now it’s an 18 hour plane ride

[sudden remnant]

how are the spiders in australia

are they as big as the internet says they are

[shadow wind]

Haven’t seen a single one

It’s been a week

No spiders either

[sudden remnant]

me when i fly 18 hours for a cup of coffee

[shadow wind]

Nah it’s the timbits

[sudden remnant]

idk about canadian tims hoes but our coffee is genuinely undrinkable to me

i cant drink it 😭

[shadow wind]

Double doubles are good

[sudden remnant]

i make coffee for a living and cant even enjoy it myself

[shadow wind]

I don’t drink coffee but it’s alright to me

[sudden remnant]

our coffee tastes permanently burnt to me

no matter what i try all i taste is burnt coffee

[shadow wind]

Maybe you guys need to clean the filters?

[sudden remnant]

i tried that 🫩

[red willow]

Im just southo michigan in good ole middle of nowhere Indiana haha

Tbf indy has events sometimes and is only an hour away

[sudden remnant]

another neighbor 😄

[shadow wind]

Would be nice

[sudden remnant]

arent their events in lansing sometimes

[shadow wind]

Where I lived in Canada it’s an 18 hour drive or a flight across the entire country

Worst of both worlds to be honest

Cause for some reason every Canadian regional is on the coast

Gg to anyone in the middle

[sudden remnant]

@next stump do you know if lansing has any events?

[next stump]

95% sure it does

[sudden remnant]

just thinking where i could go for an in person event

lansing (if any) toronto (if things in canada calm down) indianapolis maybe

dc maybe but that would be quite a drive

toronto would be manageable cuz the ambassador bridge is like 5 or 6 miles south of me

i am not driving down to Florida that would be an awfully long drive

[red willow]

Wait indy is actually 40 minutes from my gfs house

I could hypothetically crash there the night before and get an early start

[sudden remnant]

indianapolis is actually further from me than toronto is 💀

[red willow]

Jeezus lol

[sudden remnant]

toronto is 3 and a half hours indy is 4 and a half dc is about 8 and orlando is about 17 hours

and lansing is an hour and a half away

[shadow wind]

Vancouver is 18 and Toronto is like a 3 day drive 🔥🔥🔥

[red willow]

Back when we ran mtg circuit most Id do for a drive to an event is 7.5 lol and even that was pushing it

[shadow wind]

Thank you Canada for only having cities every 2000km

[sudden remnant]

so in my area i got lansing toronto and indy

dc is manageable but id tweak out in the car at least twice

and orlando is a fucking no

[red willow]

My gf got stranded in dc last summer lol she said smithsonian good

Poop filled sidewalks bad

[sudden remnant]

i get motion sickness 🫩 so i dont think i could manage more than maybe 5 hours comfortably

[red willow]

Yee ify

I take a LIGHT dose of dramamine sometimes lol

[sudden remnant]

what is this in no-longer-freedom units

[shadow wind]

Miles makes no sense to be fair

[red willow]

True that

[shadow wind]

Meters makes so much sense

[red willow]

Do we use the unit that is evenly divisible guys

[shadow wind]

Not a clue how many feet are in a mile

[red willow]

Naw use the ass backwards one

5617? Or something

[shadow wind]

I know exactly how many meters are in a kilometer

[red willow]

Lmao

See I was 400 off my guesstimate

[shadow wind]

It’s dumb though cause we use feet and inches for some things

[red willow]

Stupid system

[shadow wind]

Like shoe size is inches and height is feet and inches

And usually people use lbs for weight

[red willow]

Tbf everyone would be roughly the same meters tall right? Lol unless Im tripping out

[shadow wind]

Although our licenses use cm and kgs

[red willow]

I guess could do the lesser unit

[shadow wind]

The range would be smaller yeah

Like I’m 190cm

[red willow]

Yee could just do that

[shadow wind]

Or 1.9m

[sudden remnant]

i couldnt even tell you myself lmao

[red willow]

Honestly thats more simplistic than 6 ft 2 and a half inches

I was close relatively

[shadow wind]

Yeah but it’s a jumble anyway

[red willow]

Its like 5200 somethin

Already forget cause its such an unmemorable number

[dense latch]

i dont get why the measurement system is so complicated

[shadow wind]

Cause people don’t like “conforming” to other countries

[dense latch]

im glad i was born into the metric system

[sudden remnant]

i use grams over lbs tho

[dense latch]

so like born into every other country

[shadow wind]

W metric system

Although I will say

“A mile out” sounds cooler than “A kilometer out”

[spark siren]

i prefer imperial over metric. being born in the US, i am more used to stuff like pounds, miles, inches, etc

[dense latch]

rolls off the tongue better

fahrenheit makes more sense for humans too i guess

[shadow wind]

Kilometer is a mouthful always

[dense latch]

0 very cold 100 very hot

[spark siren]

miles per hour

[shadow wind]

But celsius makes sense in a worldly setting

0 being freezing and melting is peak

100 being boiling is cinema

[dense latch]

yea for like science stuff celsius clears

[shadow wind]

Then there’s kelvin

And we don’t like kelvin

Would a wisp mega Delphox ever be decent

Or would something like encore be more useful

[red willow]

See Im on Mega Phox

And I acutally am running nasty plot over substitute wisp encore in the flex slot

Cause like

[shadow wind]

I’m not even sure if I’m on Delphox

I just think it pairs well with my other mega

[red willow]

If they are clicking sucker punch and partner kos

You are instsntly in a winning position

[shadow wind]

Gotta use that magic room mega Delphox

[red willow]

Wtaf does magic room do

[shadow wind]

Items don’t do anything for 5 turns

But I don’t think it works with mega stones

[red willow]

Lol

[shadow wind]

So it’s really not that useful

[red willow]

Yeah kinda funny but prolly not worth

[shadow wind]

Causing form changes yeah

[red willow]

I tried sub for a min but its def play aroundable by good oppos

[shadow wind]

So mega stones aren’t included

Encore on a 134 speed Mon seems nasty

It’s just like CSR again

[red willow]

Yeah encore is real good but whimsi already has prio encore on my team lol

[shadow wind]

Valid

[red willow]

If you dont have it anywhere else I might consider it

[dense latch]

encore is really cool on delphox

[red willow]

But I feel like you are locked into protect heat wave and psychic attack

[dense latch]

it’s like the fastest non prankster encore i think

[red willow]

So realistically you have one flex slot to work wit

[shadow wind]

In this format yeah

Oh actually nah

It’s Alakazam

[sudden remnant]

nah i fw kilometers i just wish i could process the distance as easily as i can with milesa

[sudden remnant]

i wish i could understand what a mega wants with trace

[red willow]

Alakazam traced basculegions adapility!

[wild stream]

yay

[red willow]

E force:

[wild stream]

where's the terrain coming from

[sudden remnant]

wow your strong psychic attacks hit harder as if you werent likely to ohko anyways

[cyan smelt]

Meowstic

[sudden remnant]

copying psychic surge?

[wild stream]

Meow prabkster sy terrain

and you get shredded by tr

[red willow]

I think we are too in the tank on this one guys lol

[cyan smelt]

I prefer speed swap drampa

[sudden remnant]

just please change both mega alakazams and mega meowstics abilities

[dense latch]

wouldnt that mean psychic terrain is up anyways

[sudden remnant]

give them something unique

[sudden remnant]

not if it ends

[red willow]

Its kinda bs geng gets shadow tag

And zam gets trace

[wild stream]

could run tr on meow to get rid of the tr

[red willow]

Lmfao

[sudden remnant]

i mean you could…. but just why

[red willow]

And mega champ just doesnt exist

[wild stream]

gaming

[sudden remnant]

you mean chomp?

https://tenor.com/view/flygon-pokemon-mega-flygon-mega-mega-evolution-gif-11294161806650074048

wheres my bois love at

[red willow]

No mega machamp

[sudden remnant]

garchomp gets 2, goodra got a regional variant, mence got fucking aerialate, and what does flygon get

absolutely fucking nothing

[red willow]

Shafted

By tpc

Lmao

[sudden remnant]

and this isnt even talking about metagross getting psychic fangs

GIVE FLYGON SOME LOVE TPCI PLEASE

PLEASE TPCI WE NEED THIS

[shadow wind]

Flygon isn’t a pseudo?

[sudden remnant]

shhhhhhhh

[red willow]

I mean its still a fan fave

That they neglect on repeat

[sudden remnant]

can they also change mega sceptiles ability

[wild stream]

sceptile needs the electric immunity

[red willow]

Make focus miss 85 accuracy gf like what are you doin atp

[shadow wind]

Precipice blades 😔

[sudden remnant]

quad resists electric btw 🫩

[wet light]

They get our love

[sudden remnant]

AND FIX PLAY ROUGHS ACCURACY FOR FUCK SAME

Moonblast has higher bp 100% accuracy and a better, more likely secondary effect

PLEASE FIX PLAY ROUGH TPCI ITS BEEN 12 YEARS

[sudden remnant]

which is ALL it gets

[dense latch]

at least they nerfed the spatk drop chance

[shadow wind]

Oh they did?

[sudden remnant]

please make play rough accurate 😭

[shadow wind]

30 to 20 I assume?

[dense latch]

10

[sudden remnant]

so their secondaries are (theoretically) equally as likely now

[shadow wind]

Holy moly

Actually huge

And the astral barrage and make it rain nerfs are pretty big too

Mostly the astral barrage one

[wild stream]

MB makes sense now

[sudden remnant]

and unseen fist nerfs were well deserved

[wild stream]

so maybe it gets onto togekiss

[shadow wind]

Crazy how he’s arguably still the best water type ever made

[sudden remnant]

gastradon and ogerpon water would both like a word

[shadow wind]

Those guys aren’t even close

Waterpon is good yeah but Urshifu clears by a lot

[sudden remnant]

idk ogerpon is incredibly goated

[shadow wind]

Surging strikes as a move clears

Raging bolt was literally designed to kill that guy

[sudden remnant]

ogerpon has better typing better utility and a very good movepool

[shadow wind]

Can you imagine being so insanely strong they need to create the perfect counter Mon and it barely be enough

[sudden remnant]

and a better protect clone

[shadow wind]

And Urshifu is Urshifu man

[sudden remnant]

midfu

[shadow wind]

Baffling

[sudden remnant]

midfu vs goatpon

[shadow wind]

Supposed “goatpon” vs hitting a dragon

Ggs

[sudden remnant]

it can hit any dragon thats not dragapult

actually it can hit dragapult too it gets dark coverage

[shadow wind]

Ogerpon?

[sudden remnant]

yes

[shadow wind]

No one has ever ran knock off pon in vgc

Or play rough

[sudden remnant]

also gets sucker punch and throat chop and play rough

[shadow wind]

Guy does not learn sucker punch

[sudden remnant]

huh ig not but it does get ways to hit dragons regardless

[shadow wind]

For 50% maybe

[sudden remnant]

how much does archaludon take from a 116+ superpower

[cyan smelt]

How's ogerpon gonna be without tera

[sudden remnant]

the only one that really gets nerfed is firepon

it loses intrepid sword at home

[cyan smelt]

I'm sure we'll get tera at some point anyway

[sudden remnant]

rockpon doesn’t really wanna tera anyways and waterpon will probably be fine without spD boost

[cyan smelt]

Grasspon ftw, gets defiant and can then tera for speed boost

[sudden remnant]

not anymore

[cyan smelt]

Oh well at least it still has defiant

[sudden remnant]

swords dance at home

which ogerpon also conveniently learns

if a water move crits in sun does it ignore the sun? like it ignores screens, attack/spA drops and def/spD boosts?

[shadow wind]

You mean better intrepid sword?

[sudden remnant]

it still only procs once

[shadow wind]

No it doesn’t?

It procs every time she comes in

Like every other embody aspect

[cyan smelt]

Zacian, ogerpon and urshifu all washed now

[shadow wind]

Urshifu still broken I don’t know what y’all are on about

[sudden remnant]

nah ogerpon is still chilling. just grasspon loses its niches and firepon loses its i guess gen 8 intrepid sword

[shadow wind]

Being able to go through protect even for 1/4th damage is incredibly strong

And surging strikes is maybe the best physical water move ever made

[sudden remnant]

zmove at home

[shadow wind]

He gets it every turn….

[sudden remnant]

dynamax move at home

does shifu still take damage from spiky shield?

[shadow wind]

I don’t think so

Cause he doesn’t get burned from burning bulwark

[cyan smelt]

Give me rocky helmet back to punish shifu

[sudden remnant]

shifu doesnt even exist yet so thats not a problem

what we need is ferrothorn fr

[cyan smelt]

How's ferrothorn gonna do in a sneasler and zard y meta

[sudden remnant]

cry for rain

badum tsss

[cyan smelt]

Like scizor

Ever since i put rock slide on sneasler i'm less concerned about zard y

[sudden remnant]

i went against a Wall.tm the other day and one shot it

[cyan smelt]

Wall?

[sudden remnant]

Mega Aggron

[cyan smelt]

With what

[sudden remnant]

The Wall.tm

[sudden remnant]

i think mega garde mystical fire

[cyan smelt]

Mega aggron is on fraud watch

[sudden remnant]

well its special defense is horrible

its like 60 or smthn

[sudden remnant]

80

[cyan smelt]

It's just worse archaludon

[sudden remnant]

230 defense

[cyan smelt]

Skeledirge doesn't care about mega aggron

[sudden remnant]

i wish mega ampharos wasnt weak to so many common types

[cyan smelt]

Or slow

[sudden remnant]

tr exists for that

its just weak to 4 very common types

ground dragon ice and fairy

[cyan smelt]

I have not seen mega altaria

[sudden remnant]

i have

i 2 shot it with meow triple axel without protean boost

(id knocked off the pokemon that entered before it)

[sudden remnant]

as in only 2 of the 3 hits not me clicking the move twice

[cyan smelt]

Meowscarada is too strong

[sudden remnant]

and this thing is quite bulky too

[cyan smelt]

Hyper voices from that thing would hurt

[sudden remnant]

its just mega garde at home

[cyan smelt]

With neat dragon immunity

[sudden remnant]

garde is faster and hits harder but altaria is noticeably more tanky

physically anyways

[cyan smelt]

Yeah even neutral hyper voices from garde hit hard

[sudden remnant]

even resisted it smacks

[cyan smelt]

At least gambit sucker punch does a lot of damage

Gambit is my fav gen 9 mon

[sudden remnant]

farig and tsareena just existing:

bruxish doesn’t exist shhh

[cyan smelt]

Yeah ik about prio blocking that's why I'm glad kowtow hits hard too

I love bruxish though

Them chompers

[jade dust]

This is hilarious

[cyan smelt]

Why no cc into chomp

[sudden remnant]

i hate the design but i like the concept

does that make sense?

[cyan smelt]

The concept of a bruxism fish?

[sudden remnant]

yes

[red willow]

I thought prim was bulky

[tidal sparrow]

Are there any damage calculators that let me put in 2 pokemon on each side? Estimating double ins is a pain having to swap back and forth between two attackers

[sudden remnant]

it is

[red willow]

Why tf neutral iron head from unboosted gambit doing 80 percent

[sudden remnant]

user error

[red willow]

Guessing no def invest then?

Maybe minimal hp?

[sudden remnant]

possible

[red willow]

Yee cause mine lives alot more punishment than that usually

Dying to a neutral 80 bp move and a not v effective sucker punch isnt where you wanna be lol

[sudden remnant]

maybe they have it built offensively

[red willow]

Their prim

"IM JUST BUILT DIFFERENT BRAH"

[sudden remnant]

i wanna use ampharos so badly but i just cant justify it

its weak to the most common types rn and it sucks

dragon ground ice and fairy

[red willow]

Its pretty sad that Rotom wash and various lightning rod sticks are the only electric types in the whole meta

[sudden remnant]

my manectric wants a word

[red willow]

Does it not run lightning rod

[sudden remnant]

i mega evolve it the turn it enters

so its base ability is never relevant

[red willow]

Oh okay I actually kinda like that

Cause they could assume you are on rod lol

[sudden remnant]

im also not running any electric weaknesses

[red willow]

Nice nice

[sudden remnant]

it has lightning rod yes but i have not once used its base ability

its mega has intimidate which is huge

and i have volt switch

see incineroar i can do that too

but yeah its hard for electric types to exist rn

cuz garchomp snorlax and aerodactyl are everywhere

(mons that ive seen commonly run eq)

id 100% use ampharos if it got EP

but my marsheep does not get the luxury of earthly power

[cyan smelt]

U know what else runs earth power, mega camerupt

[sudden remnant]

disgusting

if im using camerupt its not gonna be my mega

i hate its mega design

[sudden remnant]

my boi gets nothing 😭

[jade dust]

Wdym

Cc?

[cyan smelt]

Close combat

[sudden remnant]

close combat

[jade dust]

It learns that?

I don’t think it does lol

[cyan smelt]

Sneasler

[sudden remnant]

sneasler gets cc yes

[jade dust]

Oh lol

I thought Garchomp

It’s funny he forfeited after that torn 1

But yeah cc into Garchomp is a safer play

[bold geode]

Chat how we doin today, what we cookin

[dull ibex]

I'm back on sun for a bit

[sudden remnant]

im tying to figure out if i can make mega ampharos work in any scenario

[bold geode]

Didn't ask

[bold geode]

No

[sudden remnant]

if my opponent has a mono water team

[dull ibex]

Nobody likes you

[sudden remnant]

and even then it would struggle

cuz basculegion can cook most of the tr setters

[spark siren]

Double kill

[red willow]

I officially need a shiny kommo o

Im a stan and believer now

[sudden remnant]

where’s triple and quadra kill

[sudden remnant]

please name it pink panthress

[red willow]

It can be....

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/dap-dap-up-bro-homie-cyclops-gif-4428096331414899113

[red willow]

Kramer

No wait gengar is seinfeld

Rip in peace

[molten oasis]

Kommo-o in a floette and zard y meta?

[sudden remnant]

kommo-o can definitely return ko them if it doesnt die

[spark siren]

My opponent only had Gengar and Aegislash left on the field

[red willow]

Yee ive had good luck with screens against zard

[molten oasis]

No, no it cannot

[sudden remnant]

booooo

[red willow]

Floette not so much

[forest arrow]

It’s dieing to Floette there’s no if

[sudden remnant]

sash flash canon

[molten oasis]

Floette takes flash cannon and iron head from kommo-o

Sash when it wants to click clangorous soul?

[red willow]

Yeah I think Im kinda relying on geng or basc to just delete floette

[molten oasis]

If you don’t set up flash cannon is pitiful damage

[sudden remnant]

so dont click it

[forest arrow]

Nah that’s wild

[molten oasis]

Gengar kommo-o could actually be cool

However kommo-o just, idk man

[forest arrow]

Use the mon but not use what people are using it for

Makes sense

[molten oasis]

Me personally? I’m gonna lead Delphox and you get to suffer

[sudden remnant]

how much does mega delphox take from an unboosted clangorous scales

[molten oasis]

Nothing

It’s spD is high and it ohko’s kommo-o

At +1 maybe a little over half?

It’s special attack is pretty shit

[red willow]

Im on m delhpox too but idk realistically when to bring it over mega geng

[sudden remnant]

oof

[red willow]

Prolly against sneasler and ice based stuff right?

[sudden remnant]

i dont think this thing is taking a blizzard in the snow very well 75 hp specifically is kinda rough

[molten oasis]

Uhhhh

That sounds like a really rough double mega option

[red willow]

I mean you are never bringing both

So it literally doesnt matter that they are both weak to dark

[molten oasis]

Yeah but what do either do for each other?

Your secondary mega needs to patch mu’s that your main one struggles with, that’s the point of it

[red willow]

Hit really hard spread sp attack moves lmao

[molten oasis]

I like Ttar or Meganium with phox

Gengar, idk about gengar

[sudden remnant]

could i propose scarf typhlosion-h

[molten oasis]

I think it needs time to figure itself out

[molten oasis]

Incin

[red willow]

Id just run that with zard y and cheese if I wanted to do that

[sudden remnant]

what about incin

[foggy lodge]

what does zard y do to kommo o

[molten oasis]

Both for Gengar and against you

[molten oasis]

Air slash if it runs it but I still wouldn’t run it rn

I’ve seen slash zards

[foggy lodge]

air slash is like 5% and its still very weak

[sudden remnant]

you’re acting like partners arent a thing 🫩

[red willow]

Yeah they hit air slash on me but I had screens up

[molten oasis]

It’s weak off 170 base it’s still gonna hurt

[foggy lodge]

Neutral weather ball does the same damage as SE air slash

[cyan smelt]

I thought it was mostly weather ball heat wave and solar beam

[red willow]

Think it got me to 45ish

[molten oasis]

Nvm, still wouldn’t run it

Also think you want something to handle gambit and incin next to Gengar

Maybe there kommo’s cool but idk

[sudden remnant]

just dont being kommo-o against floette

[molten oasis]

Usually yes

[molten oasis]

Or Delphox

[sudden remnant]

or bring mons that can one shot it and play for kommo-o in an endgame

[molten oasis]

Whimsi’s also really annoying for you

[sudden remnant]

116 adamant sneasler dire claw has a 68% chance to ohko a bulky mega floette

[molten oasis]

Though, in a pretty heavy physical metagame kommo-o it might be fine

[sudden remnant]

i know this cuz i had a good buddy of mine calc it for me

[molten oasis]

I have an idea

[sudden remnant]

i wish mega aero was rock dragon

[cyan smelt]

U can use tyrantrum for that

[sudden remnant]

what the fuck does tyrantrum even do

[red willow]

Its mono rock isnt it

[sudden remnant]

rock flying

[cyan smelt]

Idk what tyrantrum does

[sudden remnant]

and tyrantrum is rock dragon

[red willow]

Head smashes shi I guess

[sudden remnant]

what the fuck is this shit

[red willow]

Low kick it

[sudden remnant]

flick this thing specially and it dies

[red willow]

Itd be funny

[cyan smelt]

At least it has a better typing than aurorus

[sudden remnant]

do not insult my fucking goat

aurorus slander will not be tolerated

[cyan smelt]

What does aurorus do

[red willow]

Does it get

[red willow]

Aurorus veil

[sudden remnant]

badum tsss

[sudden remnant]

it has an actual hp stat to work with and yes it does in fact set snow for itself and does in fact get aurorus veil

[cyan smelt]

Even with snow you hit it with any fighting move and it's toast

[sudden remnant]

i think it was one of the first mons to actually get the move

[sudden remnant]

123 hp and 72 defense is not that bad

[cyan smelt]

Halve those with the quad weakness

[sudden remnant]

it is carried by its hp stat for sure

[red willow]

Chopple maybe?

Ig if kingambit can live a cc that can maybe

[sudden remnant]

it has 2 quad weaknesses

[red willow]

Ahhhh yeah

Steel boiz

[sudden remnant]

max defense max hp

[cyan smelt]

We have arch, aegislash and gambit

Scizor too

[sudden remnant]

scizor who? never heard of him

(scizor does not exist rn bro)

[noble hatch]

am making a mega-medicham team, zen headbutt or psycho cut?

[sudden remnant]

i think it was torrent that has the clip of absolutely torching a scizor immediately after it megas

[sudden remnant]

😨 oh… im so sorry for you

[cyan smelt]

Wats wrong with mega medicham

[molten oasis]

Wait this might actually be really cool

[sharp trail]

Finally. OMG this was a hassle to achieve

[noble hatch]

he's not that good

but he has funny tech i can do with him

[sudden remnant]

better question is what ISNT wrong with mega medicham

and the answer is it has a good ability and thats it

[red willow]

Bro after eating 1 hurricane

[torn parrot]

We often underestimate the just hit it until dies method

And overthink stuff

By the way I didn’t read the convo I dunno if this relates to that

[noble hatch]

anyways back to my question, zen headbutt or psycho cut on him?

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-8392472359136910197

[red willow]

Mega medichams viability in the meta

[noble hatch]

one is higher bp but can miss and the other is lower bp but perfect accuracy

[sudden remnant]

if mega medicham is a real pokemon in the current meta

[red willow]

Id go with 5 bp cut for never missing

[sudden remnant]

(the answer is no)

[sudden remnant]

i agree

[noble hatch]

psycho cut is 10bp less than zen headbutt

but can also crit

[red willow]

Oh they buffed it?

[sudden remnant]

i pick dpulse over draco just so i cant miss

[noble hatch]

dpulse vs draco is a big diff though

[red willow]

He shoukd get psychic fangs

Just mike tyson em

[sudden remnant]

what fangs is bro chomping with