competitive_discussion

[viscid garnet]

i lowkey hate that core

[bold geode]

...

Yeah imma let you cook whatever gang imma dip

[viscid garnet]

me when im just trying to have fun and dont care about tourney play

[wild stream]

How goes palafin rain?

[zinc edge]

Don't let them get you down I believe the best team is the one you like to use

[noble hatch]

yo anyone able to help me do the private match mission for the vp real quick?

[viscid garnet]

palafin rain was pretty good

[spiral zealot]

you could go special attacker on the pikachu and use thunder in the rain maybe

then pelipper basc

[wild stream]

Pikachu is kinda slow

[zinc edge]

I think the buffed Pikachu's stat for this game

[viscid garnet]

they havent touched him i dont think

[winter fox]

That fucking bridge that I hate

[spiral zealot]

the menacing archaludon:

[wild stream]

[viscid garnet]

me when that bridge

https://pokepast.es/64c1b2f59dafbb4f how does this look?

[winter fox]

Can't Close Combat it,Can't Draco Meteor,Can't Earthquake. Just accept your fate when Basculegion comes out.

[cyan smelt]

what's wrong with the bridge, it's nerfed atm, doesn't get av or body press anymore

[rustic mountain]

its still solid

nerfs aside, u just cant play it the same way u used to. doesnt mean its not a stat stick w. some very strong move options and solid defensive type given certain situations

[rustic mountain]

outside the pikachu seems fine enough

no jet punch on palafin kinda meh, clefable doesnt seem like the greatest support piece here

[winter fox]

No real special attackers besides Mega Floette. Everything else just feeds it.

[viscid garnet]

thats what i was thinking

i had jet punch over CC before

[viscid garnet]

also i wasnt sure what supporter might be best

[viscid garnet]

I changed my pikachu to phys atk btw, that has worked for me more often. but i always use pikachu

just have been testing things out i suppose

[rustic mountain]

sinischa usually the de facto rain support but kinda tough wen u have a grass slot w/ meganium

[cyan smelt]

i mean against archaludon it's the same thing it's always been, just hit it really hard

[viscid garnet]

right

[rustic mountain]

theres plenty of strong special attackers huh

[viscid garnet]

if i wasnt using meganium i would've used blastoise

for my mega

even though he's not crazy

he's just my fav starter

[rustic mountain]

p much and no tera means its more exploitable, doesnt mean its bad now

mega stoise might actually b real

seen a few ppl run it to some good success so far

[viscid garnet]

actually?

[cyan smelt]

oh ofc it's not bad but it's not what it was

[viscid garnet]

i havent seen anyone using it

[rustic mountain]

i mean i cant say for sure, its early and i havent played vs it or used it much myself but ive seen like 2 ppl in champions tier running it and 1 other person speakin high of it that was running it

[viscid garnet]

gotcha

[rustic mountain]

and iirc it got top 10 in the warm up challenge

[viscid garnet]

if i run blastoise should i still keep palafin?

[rustic mountain]

no

[viscid garnet]

thought so

but maybe use sinischa?

[rustic mountain]

if no mega meganium, sure its a good support mon

[cyan smelt]

mega blastoise definitely appreciates redirection

[viscid garnet]

gotcha, just need a 6th mon now ig

i wanted to make sure i kept goodra and pika at least

[rustic mountain]

y goodra, i get pikachu given ur name

[violet parcel]

i never knew mega aggron is good.

[rustic mountain]

its kinda meh

[viscid garnet]

fair

[violet parcel]

im climbing singles with it rn. haha

maybe its because ive just been playing against users that have either access to other pokemon or newbies

[rustic mountain]

no mega aggron lol i think hisuan goodra is fine, i actually just beat one lol got +4 w/ shelter

[violet parcel]

oh hahaha

[rustic mountain]

ooo singles, yea idk bout that one im just vgc

[violet parcel]

i still dont know what else to use for singles. i cba to pay for home subs again hahaha

[rustic mountain]

i couldnt even tell u its p different from vgc in a lot of cases on what mons are used or even how they r used

[rustic mountain]

also sorry wrong reply on that message

not sure why that happened

[violet parcel]

no biggie. also im just doing singles since i already hit ultra on doubles.

[viscid garnet]

either i can keep goodra or swap it for arch, but i also am not a huge personal fan of a lot of many meta mons rn

[violet parcel]

planning to get singles to ultra too then go back to doubles.

[rustic mountain]

fair enough

[foggy lodge]

I saw Fedecampo and I think Joseph Ugarte run Mega Aggron and they didn't like it at all💀

[rustic mountain]

arch is a better rain abuser, goodra is a better defensive tool

like i said b4 its not bad, i just think its omega exploitable

[violet parcel]

my gacha luck is bad right now i cant get arch on it

so im just using drag for my rain

[rustic mountain]

im not a fan of the recruitment process in the game

[violet parcel]

im just too lazy to organize the free box

on home

[rustic mountain]

if u dont have other games + home access its like good fuckin luck gettin wat u want

[viscid garnet]

i might prefer the defensive tool given my team is kinda frail

[rustic mountain]

which sucks on a game that preaches accessibility

[violet parcel]

yeah. its one of the complaints right now.

[cyan smelt]

just realised that mow rotom is immune to rage powder, that's kinda awesome

[violet parcel]

because of how good mega floette is performing

[viscid garnet]

yeah cause it's grass type

[cyan smelt]

just had never seen that interaction before

[rustic mountain]

right and how itll b in future formats w/ certain legends

oh u didnt play this game 6 years ago and get calyrex? sucks to suck

[violet parcel]

yeah thats gonna be a problem. the game isnt really what you call f2p friendly

tbh i havent caught calyrex yet hahaha

[rustic mountain]

u hav swsh?

[violet parcel]

yeah and both dlcs haha

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

crown tundra is fun

[cyan smelt]

tree do u think hoodra is still trash

[violet parcel]

i just did DAs and never advanced the CT story hahaha

[foggy lodge]

the rest of sw sh not so much personally lol

[rustic mountain]

in this format? nah

idt its good but not horrible

[cyan smelt]

it seems to have the same problem it's always had which is all my friends are dead syndrome

[rustic mountain]

p much how i had dealt w/ it just b4

[rustic mountain]

real

i still gta do das for some mons

[violet parcel]

and i tend to just make do with the pokemon i have when i build a team. plus i already stopped doing ranked battles when the CT dlc started

so i never bothered to get caly, drago and eleki

[rustic mountain]

can always shiny hunt eleki and drago if u wanted

[viscid garnet]

https://pokepast.es/053bcbceffa0fa52 this team plays around the rain build a bit more and now im just stuck on a 6th

[red willow]

Shell Smash water spout is actually kinda cracked

Ohkos most things at +2 at full health in rain for sure

[viscid garnet]

stole that idea thank you

i ended up having mega Nite for a second mega that also works well in the rain

but doesnt overtake too much

[red willow]

Glad to see someone else trying out the big man he doesnt dissapoint lol

Im always in the eternal debate of do I run a rage powder AND follow me mon

And I think at the end of the day the answer is honestly yes

[viscid garnet]

real

[red willow]

And the cut is prolly chomp for clefable

[viscid garnet]

yeah no i love mega blastoise

[red willow]

I honestly didnt have previous experience with it before this reg

But dang is it scary

[spiral zealot]

yeah it'll be... interesting to see how they handle legendaries for champions
maybe like. full on gacha game banner stuff? like "hey guys this month is the kyogre banner, pull 90 times to get legendary pity!"

[red willow]

Or is it maushold

Do I want ghost or dragon immunity

Lets see basc is a thing

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/941a34d76a382964 something about this won't click

[spiral zealot]

i think basc being locked into last respects is more common rn than seeing any dragon type without coverage

[red willow]

Fair enough Ill try maus and see how it works out

Cutting chomp for maus rn lol

The only thing that scares me is maus has next to no bulk right?

Clefable can take a couple of hits that may be relevant

[spiral zealot]

garchomp does have more usage than basc
and the scale tips even more if you take into account dragonite and archaludon
but i think a lot of the garchomp and dragonite usage is F2P players, which is probably outnumbering how many people have access to Basculegion to begin with

[red willow]

Yeah thats fair basc is the scarier mon by far but clefable being a second tankier redirect mon may have it take the cake at the end of the day

[spiral zealot]

personally it just feels like there aren't many dragon types up in the higher tiers rn
partially bc of how prominent floette is

[red willow]

Outside of calm mind shenanigans though Id think mega floette would have to 3hko bulky clefable no?

Itd just shred a maus

[fossil shadow]

Anybody know if champions give out anything for birthdays?

[spiral zealot]

idk what stats floette is usually running

[red willow]

Jeeze thats still alot of damage

But with max hp heavy sp def investment I think we def live from that right?

[spiral zealot]

if you max special bulk you can live yeah

[red willow]

We got it down to 2hko at least lol

Thats kinda neat

Buying a turn against floette with follow me could be the difference between winning or losing IMO gonna test it for sure

The only thing I dont like about special bulky clefable is the prevelance of our poisony fighty weasel ahh friend

But maus isnt faring any better there either lol

[spiral zealot]

you still live if you go 16 def 16 spdef

[red willow]

Damn thats pretty crazy

I think I wanna go even bulkier tho

[spiral zealot]

there's just a 6% chance you get ohko'd by light of ruin, which a lot of them aren't running

[viscid garnet]

so uh

found out that sneasler actually would've been really good for my team

but

the frog man exists

mid as hell

[red willow]

Politoed?

What is the frog man lol

[viscid garnet]

nope

toxicroak

[red willow]

Oh

[viscid garnet]

ass pokemon, but he could possibly cook on a rain team,

[red willow]

I hedged my bets and went with sneasler lol

[viscid garnet]

lmao

[red willow]

The spiciest thing about the team is honestly scarf peli IMO nobody sees it coming haha

But you just die to an electric attack looking at you is the added risk lol

[viscid garnet]

right

hence why i like sash tbh

[red willow]

Sneasler eating my sash and I want a fast as hell tw sometimes for turn one spout cheese in rain lol

[last yarrow]

Am super happy rn, made it to ultra ball tier for the first time ever :D

Been swapping between two teams, one has no mega evolutions but despite that is pretty decent so far. Espathra is fun to use

[last yarrow]

I have a personal hatred of incineroar purely because it's good & everyone uses it, so I'm using sneasler. Thinking about using weavile to outspeed other sneasler & deny their fake out though

[pallid totem]

i ahte incin too

its design is trash it should have stayed down and like its annoying

[mighty stump]

gg @next stump idk if i just played u

[viscid garnet]

i hate both of them lmfao

sneasler's just toxic af with dire claw

[last yarrow]

Tbh I mostly just use dire claw for fairy types, normally end up using fake out & close combat

[dull ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1ejCZ0EBqE&t=265s copying this team with some edits

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/Primus_Arts/status/2044266345362006371?s=20

Mr.Primus (@Primus_Arts)

Typa situation your support mon ends up in as the last man standing
#PokémonChampions

X · Apr 15, 2026, 4:07 AM

[strong anchor]

I think tw corvi in this setup is also worth considering as the base bulk often is enough

[dull ibex]

maybe

this set really doesn't have room for it though

[strong anchor]

You can drop roost.
Its relevant in some matchups only.
And some base bulk + leftis is enough.

Though its always funny to win a 3v1

[dull ibex]

Ill consider it

[strong anchor]

I only think about swapping bb for dual wingbeat

As withouth roost the recoil is annoying.

[wild knot]

https://twitter.com/pldhnet/status/2044634187043373538

PLDH (@PLDHnet)

Rented Pokémon in Champions can still be recruited permanently after their trial has expired. You won’t be able to battle with them if they’re in the expired state, but they’ll remain in your PC with an option to recruit them permanently.

X · Apr 16, 2026, 4:29 AM

[rustic mountain]

yea, maybe but even then like that seems awful

[foggy lodge]

oh thats cool

[rustic mountain]

i got quite a few mons they gave me that i wanna get rid of, i wonder if u can release em

taken up my precious box space

[spiral zealot]

oh it does seem awful yeah
its just funny to speculate

[rustic mountain]

[spiral zealot]

you can go into the ranch and click "return pokemon" which should let you do that

[rustic mountain]

[dull ibex]

Which do I pursue

[spiral zealot]

my heart wants to say gengar but the garchomp lineup is probably better

[dull ibex]

Mhm mhm

[last yarrow]

Anyone know a pretty decent counter to mega charizard? Thinking about a pokemon with cloud nine like altaria but dunno for sure ;-;

[jade dust]

Yeah it’s not worth the massive recoil

You want your mega to stay alive for as long as possible

[cyan smelt]

aerodactyl

[last yarrow]

I somehow forgot aerodactyl existed, tysm

[gentle crag]

flooferdooper6 has given 1 Gen Rep to kal0sunleashed

[cyan smelt]

i have crazy pokemon showdown ladder anxiety atm

[red willow]

Im just saying f it we ball throwing max bulk on clefable and calling it a day

[pure lance]

I hope this is the right channel: I have entered Aerodactyl in my team with unnerve (champions). I see that opponents can still consume their Sitrus berry even though I have that ability. Is that a glitch or is it because I switched Aerodactyl in the game?

[pearl wind]

i believe there is a glitch where pokémon with weather setting abilities (?) can still consume berries if they switch in? i think ive seen something like that, do you have the 30sec switch recording to show what pokémon it was?

[strange fjord]

The Unnerve Pokemon needs to stay on the field for the effect to stay

[pure lance]

I'll remember that, thanks

[gentle crag]

raffajel has given 1 Gen Rep to pizza.time

[pearl wind]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonChampions/comments/1sm8z22/question_why_didint_unnerve_stop_politoed/

[cerulean nacelle]

Morning peeps. So what are people up to?

[supple latch]

I too, have made it out as well

Also what have people been running with Mega Gengar recently?

Y’know, Mr. AG

[cyan smelt]

Incin, i've seen politoed too

[supple latch]

Hmm, are there any good EV spreads for Incin? Because I’ve mainly been running a very defensive one with no speed EVs

[cyan smelt]

I've been watching some games and i've seen some faster incins for the faster fake out for the mirror

[knotty mirage]

Just wondering does anyone on here already reach champions tier yet ?

[supple latch]

I’m probably gonna drop some Sp. Def for some speed

[last yarrow]

Honestly while I don't run incineroar with milotic I have 2 speed EVs for in case I end up against another milotic, could do something like that for people who don't invest in speed

Then again I'm literally just getting into stat spreads beyond max speed max attack/special attack. Trained my Aerodactyl to outspeed mega Charizard & mega frosslass by a single point when mega evolved & invested the rest in attack/bulk. Hoping it'll go alright

[chrome knot]

aero should just be max max sash

[real prairie]

mine is 32,20,9,5 Careful

[supple latch]

Yeah, I was considering dropping some Sp. Def for speed bcoz my Incin is Careful Nature as well

[real prairie]

that spread gives it an even DEF and SpDEF making it a good balance

i run it with sitrus but you could go Chople if you are worried about fighting moves

[supple latch]

While at the same time, still having some speed for some potential faster Fake Outs

[supple latch]

Nah, Situs makes a lot of sense, I’m just worried about the fact that there’s still Sneasler

Which I know is unavoidable, but it is what it is

[chrome knot]

gangaroo why do u want even defences when most timed physical attackers are swinging @ -1

[real prairie]

dem close combats don't care

[chrome knot]

they care alot you still live pretty well

[real prairie]

@chrome knot need your pretty little mind for a minute.

Need to come up with a finding Nemo name for Incin

[supple latch]

Sydney Harbour Bridge is very valid since bro literally looks like it, or is it closer to the Golden Gate Bridge?

[real prairie]

it used to be nicknamed golden gate before i went for finding Nemo theme lol

[supple latch]

Ah ok haha

[chrome knot]

im ngl i dont remember anything abt finding nemo

[cerulean nacelle]

Incin is a big partner with running fake out and protect to stall out perish song turns.

Some people also run icy wind mega gengar with mons to abuse it such as chomp.

Rock slides go brrr.

[zinc edge]

Does anyone know the shiny odds in champions by chance

[cerulean nacelle]

I don't know em specifically, idk if they've even been datamined yet, but I'd assume it's probably 1/4096

[zinc edge]

I just got one

[cerulean nacelle]

Thing is, you see a lot of mons at once so your rate is higher to see a shiny.

Because each has that chance to shine.

[cerulean nacelle]

Very nice. Who'd you get?

[zinc edge]

I mean I gotta grab it up right ? Even tho I already have the male version 🤣

I was just informed it's roughly 1/400 odds

[pearl wind]

i have never seen that shiny

what a weird color combo

[zinc edge]

Ikr 🤣

[pearl wind]

but congrats on the shiny

[supple latch]

Yes, support is just insane nowadays

[cerulean nacelle]

Female basculegion is still good. Might see some play eventually. I'd deffo pick it up.

[supple latch]

I like Female Basc, I might play with it eventually, but I don’t like the fact I see some people run Last Respects with an attack lowering nature

[cerulean nacelle]

Basculegion female atm is just limited by the lack of items.

If specs was in the game, specs hydro pumps would hit similarly hard to male basculegion band wave crash but without the recoil, making it less likely to be knocked out by neutral hits but the risk then comes from missing hydro.

There's also the thing that bascu female can utilise ice beam better which is good into chomp etc.

It legit is just the lack of items atm holding it back imo.

[supple latch]

Yeah, lack of items is the whole reason as to why a lot of Pokémon are struggling rn

[cerulean nacelle]

Either that or just being outcompeted.

Like... technically scarf bascu female with adaptability hydro pump and shadow ball would be fairly consistent.

But last respects is just a stupid move haha.

[supple latch]

My question is, why can’t Last Respects be like Tera Blast where the damage category depends on your highest stat, whether physical or special

Maybe then, both Basculegions could have similar usages

[cerulean nacelle]

Because it's already fucking busted lmao.

This shit was so oppressive it got the likes or houndstone banned to ubers.

[cyan smelt]

what do yall think of drampa

[cerulean nacelle]

Until they eventually just banned last respects from anything but ubers.

Because you could just fight with 5 mons and then when they died, a sand rush houndstone or a fluffy scarfed houndstone can just spam a 300 BP ghost stab move.

[lost sun]

can be good

[cerulean nacelle]

He's interesting.

[supple latch]

Wait what? Even a weakling like Houndstone is banned because of Last Respects?

[supple latch]

Speed Swap go brrrrr

[cyan smelt]

hyper voice mega drampa looks like it hurts

[lost sun]

no they just banned last respects not the mons

[supple latch]

Ah ok

[spiral zealot]

Darla

[supple latch]

Ty for the confirmation

[cerulean nacelle]

Was*

Last respects was that busted of a move. Why houndstone and later basculegion were uber mons regardless of being kinda mediocre in comparison to other ubers.

[supple latch]

Yeah, it’s nuts

[real prairie]

let me go find a female incin quick lol

[cerulean nacelle]

But yeah last respects and shed tail caused a massive uproar in 6v6 singles.

[cyan smelt]

step 1, drampa cancels weather, step 2, mega, step 3 ??? step 4 profit

[spiral zealot]

once drampa megas it will stop cancelling the effects of weather

[cyan smelt]

ik

time to see how much low kick does to mega drampa

[supple latch]

How heavy is Mega Drampa?

Maybe that damage could depend on how heavy it is

[cerulean nacelle]

Step 1. Drampa exists
Step 2. Set trick room or use speed swap from alakazam while drampa megas and either protects or calm minds
Step 3. Blast em.

[cyan smelt]

240.5kg, 530.2lbs

[supple latch]

Yes, ty WolfeyVGC for thinking outside the box

[gentle crag]

lightly.friendly has given 1 Gen Rep to diobrando8256

[leaden fox]

At least with Mega Drampa; you can use it in a Trick Room play or not thanks to that strategy 😁

[cerulean nacelle]

I still kinda think the speed swap thing is cope lol

[leaden fox]

It does work out right though

[cyan smelt]

mega scovillain is cope

[supple latch]

Copium levels are very high today

[cerulean nacelle]

It's mainly a thing of, 120 speed is fast, but tailwind is around every corner, chlorophyll venu always outspeeds and threatens sleep powder etc.

Your chances to use it are kinda niche?

[supple latch]

Yeah makes sense, but still, wouldn’t it be funny?

[cyan smelt]

honestly feels like reg h 3.0 with all the sneaslers, archs and dragonites around

[supple latch]

Dragonite isn’t exactly very threatening, but I agree with the Sneasler and the Sydney Harbour Bridge

[cyan smelt]

also ur friendly neighbourhood basculegion

[supple latch]

Ah yes

At least Ursaluna isn’t around to make it even worse

[cyan smelt]

somehow i'm having fun though

[supple latch]

Yeah me too

[cyan smelt]

idk if mega delphox is cope or not

[supple latch]

It recently won a tournament

So it might start to slowly become good

[cerulean nacelle]

Unique set of traits allow it to differentiate itself.

It has a decently good match up into mega gengar because it outspeeds it and levitate has synergy with things like EQ garchomp for strong spread.

It's potentially is slowly being realised.

[cyan smelt]

mega aggron is definitely cope

[supple latch]

My friend recently got to Master Ball with it

At least, that’s what she said

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm honestly not sure about that.

I remember my friend doing a calc with his mega aggron rain team and it was something like.

Zard Y heat wave in rain was a 4HKO.

Sneasler never 1HKOs.

And with redirection, it can become near impossible to remove.

Especially since sinistcha is it's favourite partner in crime.

Hospitality and life dew healing and rage powder go brrrrr.

I'm also gonna make the point that it's still far too early to tell what's gonna be cope and what's gonna be good.

So much isn't realised.

[supple latch]

There’s so many cool combos that can potentially be good in this game

[mighty stump]

Alrighto

I can relax now

[supple latch]

Whoa, congratulations!

[mighty stump]

Is there supposed to be any cutscenes for Champion tier cause I didn’t get one

[supple latch]

I can try to get one once I get there myself

But then again, since you said that, then probably not

[mighty stump]

Ohh

You have to win one game in Champion tier as a Champion to get the cutscene

[supple latch]

Ah ok, there we go

[real prairie]

Im chasing, mid 1900s atm

[mighty stump]

I finished at 150

So i’ll leave it there

[clever root]

Sadly as i climb more up the ranks, DAYUM!!! Just aint pullin his weight

Unsure what to swap him with

[sinful solstice]

Trying to figure out some greninja shenanigans.

[supple latch]

Hey guys, I’m looking at my recruitment screen, which one should I pick?

[mighty stump]

Aegislash, Meganium, Meowstic probably

Sableye if you’re familiar with utilising him

[sinful solstice]

Sableye and Meowstic both get prankster utility if im not mistaken

[supple latch]

Can Meowstic get Expanding Force?

[mighty stump]

I really see no reason not to run sth like Kingambit + consider a TR abuser if you’re running Farigiraf

[supple latch]

If Meowstic can get E-Force, then I know exactly what to do

Actually you know what, I’ll recruit and check it’s movepool

OMG it gets E-Force, I know exactly what I’m doing

I just bricked, I actually bricked

[supple latch]

I forgot that different genders get different abilities. So basically the male is the one that gets Prankster

So I used up 2,500 vp for nothing

[clever root]

Tbf the main purpose of farig is usually to stop other farigs from doing anythin

I rarely click TR, but i may go with smth slower incase i do need to use it

[real prairie]

@mighty stump any changes? and maybe a nickname for Incin if he is staying?

[cerulean nacelle]

This is giving the moxieboosted team vibes.

[gentle island]

el Tigre?

I want to ask what's a good final speed stat for a tailroom attacker?

[supple latch]

I am wondering that myself because I made a Tailroom team in Showdown

[gentle island]

you have 3 water types, so defensively I'm worried about electric types also incin maybe go for Manny Rivera

[gentle island]

i looked at ursaluna in tailroom and at max speed hes 104

[supple latch]

Oof

Yeah, on the team I made, I have Rillaboom and Prima who both work well in Tailwind and Trick Room (I know Prima can well use the twisted rooms, but not exactly for Rilla)

[gentle island]

what's prima's final speed stat?

[supple latch]

I’ll check tmr, I’ll ping you abt it

[gentle island]

Thanks

[supple latch]

I’ll actually send you how I built her tmr

Not just speed, but how she’s built

[real prairie]

Sorry should have specified, looking for a finding Nemo name lol

[real prairie]

Not too many electric types that cause me issues in the format thankfully.

[gentle crag]

averagejack_yt has given 1 Gen Rep to td399

[supple latch]

Well, there’s still opposing Sydney Harbours in the rain

[real prairie]

True

[bronze quarry]

Is there any Frosslass/Ninetales teams in the pokepaste?

[supple latch]

This Looks like Hell. I wonder what happened next

[gentle island]

RIP

[next stump]

anyone able to plug this into their switch for an english translation?

not home for a while today

[real prairie]

i just got done by a feint sneasler

[cerulean nacelle]

That's pretty rare.

I got surprised by an acrobatics sneasler and it killed my kommo-o because i assumed he couldn't touch it.

[waxen dock]

i think you can gfuess the team by the move types

[next stump]

True but I also would love to know stats

[chrome knot]

@next stump

[waxen dock]

only thing i was wrong about is eweb on rotom instead of tbolt

[real prairie]

nerfed para my ass

2 turns of 2 para, 2 full paras

[waxen dock]

it got nerfed

[cerulean nacelle]

I forget rotom gets electroweb. I should remember that.

[waxen dock]

from 1/4 to 1/8

[cerulean nacelle]

That's called extremely bad luck ngl.

[real prairie]

i won anyway, fuck em

[next stump]

you are amazing

thank you

[chrome knot]

lol i knew it all this was easier than typing it out

[mighty stump]

broski did we play today

[chrome knot]

holy gf aura

[real prairie]

i was not aware blastoise got fake out

[real prairie]

mega heracross have any viability in this meta?

[red willow]

I dont love 4x weak to flying with all the 100 percent accurate hurricane and a flying type tw setter that packs bb or something on the like on half of teams lol

But it does hit really hard

[real prairie]

I was looking at it for a gambit counter but tbh I could just go anti priority and just blow it up with other mons

[red willow]

Ah igy

[real prairie]

ive dealt with some proper cheese today though, including but not limited to Substitute Sneasler, trickroom whims, feint sneasler etc

[red willow]

What the hell lmao

[real prairie]

people realising its BO1 CTS and cheesing their way to top of the ladder

genuinely shouldn't be dealing with this nonsense at 1950 lol

[chrome knot]

i played quick claw gyarados

but also handedly 4-0’d a garbage crabominable tr team lmao

[red willow]

I guess aura sphere off m blastoise still almost 1 shots m ttar even in sand

Good to know

[chrome knot]

can anyone translate this

[strong anchor]

Some 40 bp moves can.
Quad effective is not to underestimate

[cerulean nacelle]

Was it using glowking?

[cerulean nacelle]

If it's mega yeah it'll do a shit ton of damage. Mega launcher giving you that stab lol.

[chrome knot]

oranguru torkoal mimikyu crab was their pick 4

[chrome knot]

TY

[knotty mirage]

Oh yeah i have been wondering about this but does winning on master ball tier give you master rank ribbon too your pokemon ?

Or is that's only mainline games thing

[indigo coral]

Trying out Froslass Palance and I can't seem to win a game. Part of that is definitely inexperience with the team and its playstyle, but part of that is also that the team itself feels off. Anyone got any moveset or item replacement suggestions?

Sinistcha and Sylveon in particular feel wrong in playtesting, but I can't seem to place what's not working on their sets

[keen quiver]

dang oranguru having imprison and instruct
probably going psychic, instruct, trick room, and protect

[left bobcat]

Yo

[keen quiver]

Can't wait till they banned ohko moves in rank lmao

or remove entrainment from hawlucha lol

[zinc edge]

@indigo coral I don't think your team is slow enough for trick room sinistcha so maybe try tailwind whimsicott instead

[mighty stump]

You get Champion title - not sure about Masters

If you’re Champion tier

[knotty mirage]

For your pokemon or is it for the trainer ?

[chrome knot]

both

[mighty stump]

I wish - I only got to play Rain mirrors, Sun, and Floette/Maushold stuff

[knotty mirage]

Damn alright then not sure if i even have chance too push too champions tier tho

[mighty stump]

Champion “ribbon” doesn’t tranlate out of Champions though

[solid valley]

I just encountered Danger Noodle in champions, for some reason that name is very familiar

[mighty stump]

https://pikalytics.com/speed-quiz

[real prairie]

Ty

[gentle crag]

averagejack_yt has given 1 Gen Rep to woodtofu

[leaden fox]

Hm, trying to think what Megas they will add in due time 🤔
Hoping for Metagross, Staraptor, Mawile, Scolipede and Tatsugiri 😅

Though may want Mega Baxcalibur too xP

[chrome knot]

i want amoonguss back🫩

and rocky helmet

[leaden fox]

@chrome knot Honestly, yeah, I'd like Amoongus back too xD

Even if we don't get Rock Helmet back, it'll have usage with Mental Herb too

[chrome knot]

sitrus berry

[leaden fox]

Unless Sitrus Berry is used on Incineroar

[craggy dagger]

[chrome knot]

chople berry

[leaden fox]

Ah yeah, keep forgetting about that lol

But yeah, I think there is likely 5 - 6 held items they could add to the game and be decently balanced still xP

Especially since lack of Covert Cloak and Clear Amulet buffed Incineroar; despite losing Knock Off 🤣

[viscid garnet]

Guys this actually feels great to play (I finally decided to make pikachu the support he’s supposed to be)

Incin seems weird on paper but he works pretty decent as a support

[leaden fox]

Very nice 🙂 Shame no Eviolite in-game atm 🙁

[viscid garnet]

No i agree

But LB volt switch is kinda goated lowkey

[leaden fox]

Haven't used it, so no idea xD

[viscid garnet]

Also he does decent chip given LB

[leaden fox]

I remember using Raichu during X/Y with Mega Char Y 😅
Lightning Rod came in clutch xP

[viscid garnet]

Indeed

[leaden fox]

Plus Nuzzle really helped xP

[viscid garnet]

It also helps my partners like Pelipper, Dnite, and Palafin to cover electric moves

And yeahhhh nuzzle is crazy broken

Underrated asf

[leaden fox]

Think for Raichu during X/Y, I ran Lightning Rod ability, with the moves: Fake Out, Nuzzle, Helping Hand and Brick Break 🤣

[viscid garnet]

PURE support lmao

[leaden fox]

tbf, I had a lot of good offense on the team is why xP

Two mons were my supporters

[viscid garnet]

Thats fair yeah

[leaden fox]

Although if I remember correctly, my team in X/Y ranked was: Mega Char Y, Mega Garde, Raichu, Garchomp, Aegislash & Umbreon

Did eventually replace Umbreon for Talonflame though; since Gale Wings was broken prior to Gen7 xD

Biggest torture in X/Y for me though: 5 IVs in all but SpAtk, took me 4000 eggs to get that properly, but it came out shiny at the same time xD

for Aegislash that is

[zinc edge]

I found it everyone the perfect counter pic for sneasler

[leaden fox]

Which is?

[zinc edge]

Weavile

[atomic portal]

anyone have the answer for this one

[chrome knot]

INCINEROAR !

[zinc edge]

Yes weavile and galarian slowing is the perfect counter

Slowking*

Pickpocket weavile is literally the perfect counter to weavile In everyway 🤣 it's so great

[copper stag]

looking to build a team around empoleon and floette any suggestions?

[zinc edge]

Whimsicott or Aerodactyl for sure

Probably aero though

This is my team it's been working wonders so far

Thinking of switching the mouse out idk what for though

[mental mason]

https://pokepast.es/09631865e226da43

Current team. Been moving slowly upwards. Feels like I should have answers to any team if played right. Whimsicott and/or Charizard Y in the back has given me huge problems though.

[zinc edge]

Do you want to battle @mental mason

I need to test against floette and other weather teams

[mental mason]

Sure! I've got a few more matches in me.

[zinc edge]

Vc ?

[rare drift]

With champions out it'd be cool for the server to host a tournament

[rare drift]

Whimiscott for potential trick room counters?

[chrome knot]

@tranquil kraken iwi is the draft league in this server pokemon draft or team draft

[rare drift]

Wdym

[cerulean nacelle]

I wouldn't run crab without a way to set snow.

[cerulean nacelle]

The main trickroom setter is farigiraf who will block prankster taunt with armor tail.

Only really works against the very VERY rare slowking trick room setter for mega crabominable teams.

[rare drift]

I don't mean countering with taunt but instead with the move trick room itself

I've had a couple people do it to me

[cerulean nacelle]

Honestly not as good as you think because trick room has -6 priority.

You just go from -6 to -5 which still leaves whimsicott wide open to get killed.

If you wanna use trick room to beat trick room, sinistcha is your guy.

Not worth using a slot like that for whims.

[wheat rapids]

How do you counter perish trap?

[rare drift]

I was just throwing the idea out since it was between Aero and Whims although i'm not sure what role Aero serves since i don't use it myself

[cerulean nacelle]

Sash tailwind typically.

It's not prankster but aerodactyl is a pokemon that can also output some damage with stab rock slides and dual wingbeat onto mons like venu or whims.

[cerulean nacelle]

Honestly you kinda don't. Best thing to have is pokemon who can pivot out such as parting shot incineroar.

Ghost types also can't be trapped by shadow tag so they can always switch freely.

[wheat rapids]

Prankster taunt I guess would work?

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah that too.

[sinful solstice]

Any suggestions for what might go well with Toxicroak or Mega Greninja?

[cerulean nacelle]

Toxicroak has dry skin so can be OK on rain.

Mega gren is kinda just worse than other mons but I'd probably say generic tailwind and support for it to just fire off protean attacks.

[spiral rock]

guys i got a mon from a bot can i use it for like pokemon champions and stuff

[sinful solstice]

I know they’re not S tier but kinda worse isn’t unusable for me. Was planning for it. I was also thinking rain/tailwind. Toxicroak is obviously outdone by sneasler but also fits the same role practically.

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah toxicroak gets uh fake out too doesn't it?

[sinful solstice]

Yeah, Feint, Upperhand, Sucker Punch i think etc.

It’s literally just slower than sneasler

[chrome knot]

one you draft pokemon one you draft players

[sinful solstice]

If I wanted a direclaw like effect on toxicroak id use poison point but dry skin always just feels better cause free heals.

[cerulean nacelle]

Probably a good moveset for toxicroak is CC, poison jab, sucker punch, fake out/protect.

[sinful solstice]

I usually forgo protect

[cerulean nacelle]

In general? Gotta say that's probably wrong.

On occasion with fake out mons? More acceptable lol.

[sinful solstice]

Yeah I only choose to forgo it on fake out mons usually.

Does sucker punch still get stopped by fake out? (I rarely use sucker punch)

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah. Fake out had a priority of 3. Sucker a priority of 1.

[sinful solstice]

Figured. Thanks.

I guess id have to go with pelipper then, Unless I do prankster weather/tailwind

[zinc edge]

@rare drift are you wanting those 2 on a trick room team ?

@cerulean nacelle have you looked into the viability of weavile I'm really liking him right now

[cerulean nacelle]

Kinda weird considering sneasler is so viable.

But it's fast and strong. Probably does have some usage.

[rare drift]

Um no I was responding to someone else about them

[zinc edge]

Well he perfect counters sneasler and with him being on every other team it's nice plus he out speeds sneasler and take his herb

[sinful solstice]

I saw weavile being used in a video recently

[zinc edge]

Yeah I'm really liking weavile on my team

Putting in the work

[sinful solstice]

I saw someone running it with kings rock fling and fake out lol

[dull ibex]

Which one do I pursue

[cerulean nacelle]

I wouldn't say perfect counters, but it's all context dependant. Weavile still struggles into incin which is why sneasler is good.

[zinc edge]

Fair enough what do you think of the team I'm running

[cerulean nacelle]

Only one that's a bit weird is glowking but I don't think this is awful. Aero without aerodactylite or sash is probably a bit more underwhelming as it's more threatened by things to KO it.

[wheat rapids]

EVs for incin?

[zinc edge]

Yeah but it out speeds the things it's meant to kill or it's just there to drop tailwind

And my incin is full bulk

[cerulean nacelle]

But it also doesn't outspeed prankster tailwind, which means other mons can move before it and potentially KO it

[chrome knot]

gang😭

[wheat rapids]

32 def and spdef surely isnt the wave

[zinc edge]

My guy tanks hits and gets off multiple intimidates and parting shots per game 🤣

[cerulean nacelle]

Should have those defense EVs into HP. Maybe a bit into attack or speed if you want it faster or a bit more aggressive.

[wheat rapids]

someone wanna give me an ev spread with 32 in HP pls 🙏

[zinc edge]

Nope mine hardly ever attacks he's full support

[wheat rapids]

3 of bro's moves are attacks 🙏

[cerulean nacelle]

I'll post mine later.

[zinc edge]

99% of the times his picking fake out or parting shot

[cerulean nacelle]

Actually wait.

@wheat rapids that's my incin EVs

[wheat rapids]

ty

[gentle crag]

tomb99 has given 1 Gen Rep to diobrando8256

[wheat rapids]

what do ppl run on whimsicott?

[cerulean nacelle]

Tailwind
Moon blast
Encore
Protect/taunt

Some people run sunny day

[zinc edge]

Yep I've also seen a lot of people opting to use endeavor

[cerulean nacelle]

^ there's also endeavour yeah

[wheat rapids]

evs tho?

[zinc edge]

Max speed max sp atk focus sash

[wheat rapids]

do you go bulk to get full advantage of prankster, or still speed?

[cerulean nacelle]

Max maxed. Special attack and speed.

[wheat rapids]

ty ty

[rare drift]

I have mine built almost the same but with investment in Attack instead of special defense

With a minus speed nature so that I can outspeed other inci in a trickroom

[zinc edge]

Interesting

[dull ibex]

This is not a good spread

[zinc edge]

@cerulean nacelle any thoughts on gale wings talon flame

[dull ibex]

If you're max maxing incin you want hp and a defense

Not both defense

[zinc edge]

Been working just fine for me big dog 🤣 @dull ibex

[dull ibex]

Well it could work better

[rare drift]

I also like having inci move last even outside of trickroom because it gives me a chance to see what the field looks like if I do a parting shot and plan accordingly

[rare drift]

If its working for him then thats all that matters

[zinc edge]

He also has the highest spdef on my team soooo

Great wall for all those pesky sun teams

Haven't we battled already @dull ibex

[dull ibex]

Ye

[zinc edge]

And I won ye

[dull ibex]

One yeah

[zinc edge]

With the bad incen 🤣

[dull ibex]

I won two

You didn't bring incin I don't think?

[rare drift]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-joseph-joestar-jojos-bizarre-adventures-jjba-anime-gif-17143041

[cerulean nacelle]

Only thing is that overall, health is usually a better defensive stat to invest into than going dual defenses.

There's many theoretically tanky pokemon that fail because of low base health such as dusknoir or cofagrigus.

Health Investment just gives you more health to sponge hits.

[dull ibex]

Exactly

[cerulean nacelle]

Also yeah gale wings tailwind talonflame is still a good choice.

[zinc edge]

Think I should do that over aero on this team ?

[rare drift]

What kind of team could a configrigus work on?

[cerulean nacelle]

Talonflame also kinda wants sash. So overall it's your choice. Does aero cover something that talonflame doesn't etc.

[zinc edge]

Not really they both kinda hit venasuar and sneasler

[cerulean nacelle]

TR technically? Both it and runerigus are mad slow and they can't be flinched by fake out unless it's scrappy kangaskhan.

[polar canyon]

Saw someone online call zard y yarizard I think that's funny

[zinc edge]

But I did the calcs and my aero 1 shots sneasler when aero is at -1 atk 63% of the time

[cerulean nacelle]

Main thing is aero doesn't have prankster tailwind but has rock slide to force mega zard Y to protect.

Talonflame has prankster tailwind, access to upper hand to stop fake out sneasler etc.

[polar canyon]

I'll be adopting that

[cerulean nacelle]

Does that mean I need to start called zard x... xarizard?

[polar canyon]

Yes

Pronounced zarizard

[cerulean nacelle]

Like zerneas lol

[rare drift]

I've also thought of using a ability swap malamar to give Hydra contrary for Draco metero BS but don't think that hydra would be the way to go with sneasler and other threats going on rn

[polar canyon]

I thought malamar wasn't in the game

[zinc edge]

Imagine a contrary pokemon but you parting shot it with your own pokemon 🤣

[rare drift]

Is it not? You are probably right

[cerulean nacelle]

Why did I log into champions and just get 4000VP for... rank up rewards? 😭

[rare drift]

Yo what

[zinc edge]

What else gets parting shot other than incen rn ?

[cerulean nacelle]

I don't know 😭 saw 4 notifications in my mail. It gave me 1000 VP 4 times.

[cerulean nacelle]

I genuinely don't think anything does.

Or if it does its too mediocre to hold even the smallest flame to incin.

[polar canyon]

Was grimmsnarl in the game

[cerulean nacelle]

If grimm was then yes. But it's not. I tried.

[rare drift]

I looked it up and malamar is not in the game which is devastating

[zinc edge]

I wish you could view things more readily in this game fr

[polar canyon]

Unfortunately they reverted the sableye buff from za of getting parting shot

It would go crazy

[cerulean nacelle]

He would've been hype. I would've used him.

Still probably will at some point but not rn.

[polar canyon]

I use it without particular bff shot

[polar canyon]

Why is this what autocorrect decided

[zinc edge]

I don't think I've ran into a sableye yet or a crab or a fox or a Greninja or most new megas mainly it's just zard frosslass or kang and the occasional dnite

[polar canyon]

I won an unofficial irl local with sableye

I'm a big sableye guy

It unironically carried too

People are sleeping on roseli berry sableye

[zinc edge]

I'm assume half fairy dmg berry ?

[polar canyon]

Yeah

Saved me against a gardevoir

[cerulean nacelle]

Babiri berry or something?

[polar canyon]

Rain dance sableye is the goat

[zinc edge]

This is my first time in an item restricted format so I don't know the name of all the berries yet 🤣

I want my Damm assault vest and choice items and life orb Damm it

[polar canyon]

I know most because I'm a nerd

[cerulean nacelle]

I know passho for water, colbur for dark, chople for fighting and that's about it.

[polar canyon]

Charti rock rindo grass chople fighting babiri steel yache ice roseli fairy

[zinc edge]

Occa for fire

[polar canyon]

I think I only memorize ones I used or see often

Rain dance sableye just checks zard y

If they're smart or know about it they'll still chuck a water weather ball at it but it doesn't ohko

[cerulean nacelle]

Oh yeah occa for fire I do know

And I was wrong I think, babiri berry is for steel.

[zinc edge]

Hey has anyone found a shiny yet in your recruit line ups

[polar canyon]

Yep it was like my third pull

[rare drift]

No i've not had any luck yet

[polar canyon]

But it was a morpeko

[zinc edge]

Got this gal earlier 🤣

[rare drift]

Niceee

[polar canyon]

That's much cooler than male shiny

[rare drift]

Its just unfortunate that these are trapped in champions tho

[zinc edge]

Facts but I believe they said this is gonna be competitive pokemon from now on is gonna be on champions so it's not the worst thing

[cerulean nacelle]

Not the same but I've got PTSD now. Been hunting for shiny male basculin for a basculegion

And it's just not been working in my favour lol. Got 2 females.

[rare drift]

Thats a good point

[zinc edge]

Hey who knows you may eventually find one here @cerulean nacelle

I can hunt for one in my spare time if you want

[cerulean nacelle]

Honestly ima keep hunting I like to have em available anyway. All my pokemon are comp shinies lol.

[cerulean nacelle]

You don't have to haha. I've just been rather unlucky it seems.

[zinc edge]

I hate catching the water pokemon in areceus bro it's atrocious

Arceus *

[cerulean nacelle]

I also just had the weirdest match.

Playing against a guy who has ttar excadrill with meganium and corv in the back against my froslass team.

Proceeds to not bring ttar and therefore get utterly shat on by aurora veil.

[cerulean nacelle]

The balls never go where you want em to lol.

[zinc edge]

Stg and if you miss bamm basculin runs away

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah I'm utilising stealth spray and smoke bombs to reduce it.

Hopefully I'll get lucky with a shiny male basculin or shiny male basculegion soon

[zinc edge]

You can catch basulegion wild ?

[wheat rapids]

i really wanna run aero but i think my team needs prankster taunt too much

[zinc edge]

What's your team so far tomb

[cerulean nacelle]

Show the team.

[wheat rapids]

prankster taunt feels like my answer to perish trap, other tailwinds, rage powder/follow me, etc

[polar canyon]

Why not both

Oh ew bright powder chomp

[wheat rapids]

valid reaction lol

I'd drop ttar to run someone like incin or aero - but i really do miss having ttar. Zard Y alone isn't enough to win a weather war

[polar canyon]

Warring with yourself using both

[wheat rapids]

and im already using a pokemon i dont like (whims, altho her shiny is cool) so i dont wanna make more concessions x)

[wheat rapids]

sure but i have experience running double/triple weather so its easy enough to play around. More often than not im overwriting enemy weather, not my own

[cerulean nacelle]

As a milotic enjoyer I agree with that choice. As a milotic enjoyer however I'd probably say give milotic the lefties and give aegislash a colbur or shuca berry.

[wheat rapids]

oh actually i meant to have sitrus on her. Had it on incin which is why i took it off

[cerulean nacelle]

Sitrus also works yes.

I forgor about sitrus lol

Poison jab on chomp also feels like unnecessary? I don't think chomp kills eternal floette mega with poison jab and why would you ever keep chomp in against an eternal flower floette. That's what aegislash is there for.

Though tbh special aegislash may get walled by eternal floette if it calm minds.

Idk, floette sucks lol

[wheat rapids]

yeah that’s kind of a flex slot I’m messing around with, since I dropped aero I’ll prob just put rock slide back

[supple gulch]

Oh man, I just found out you can access battle data for a Pokémon from the training screen. That's awesome

[cerulean nacelle]

Rock slide does do the do.

[wheat rapids]

True 😭 feels like my team doesn’t have enough special, but you’re right

[polar canyon]

I think I totally grew out of not wanting to use something for the sake of it being meta, only not using incin on my current team because I didn't feel like it fits

[cerulean nacelle]

Tbh zard and milotic are the only ones you need. Most mons when investing into bulk are investing it into special defense due to mons like zard Y and floette. So not having enough special mons isn't always that big of a deal.

[polar canyon]

And only using an off meta mega because I like how it feels and it feels consistent

But I think I'll try using something like floette in the future

[cerulean nacelle]

I think there's only 1 meta pokemon I never wanted to use and that was bloodmoon ursaluna because imo it's ugly and I'm mad it's not shiny huntable.

[polar canyon]

Maybe I'll use both and play a starmie + mega floette team

It's awesome that they gave good stats and a broken ability to one of the objectively funniest designed pokemon

[cerulean nacelle]

So tempted to get a starmie and call it saitama.

Because he is the 1 punch star now.

[polar canyon]

Starmie quickly rose to like a top 3 pokemon oat for me in za thanks to the mega and it being good in competitive too is the cherry on top

Jolly max attack liquidation can ohko bulkless zard y in sun

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah, starmie does the do. It also thrashes ttar

Gamefreak is so weird.

Oh we'll give the kinda mediocre stats mega victreebel innards out.

Oh the 120 speed good bulk mega star? Yeah let's let it nuke everything in 1 touch and let it be the quickest huge power user to exist

[wheat rapids]

tru. will make the homie physical, altho im kind of remiss of using poltergeist but ig thats not a huge problem? iron head will do the job when they dont have an item?

my points of contention are;

• do i need protect on whims (would drop encore)
• scald > muddy water, icy wind > life dew for milotic? If Icy wind I'd prob do some speed investment (should have just 2 right now, which under tailwind outspeeds base 130s)
• ttar is obv the biggest point of contention for the team, and his set can prob change. I'll have to see - might consider giving him the mega stone and never bringing him with zard (unlikely), in which case I'd give chomp white herb rough skin

[wheat rapids]

keep posting the wrong team lol mb that one should have no obvious mistakes

[red willow]

Anyone on Clefable? Curious about optimal defensive spread

[strong anchor]

Did the vhamions thread got folded into comp discussions or am i blind?

[strong anchor]

Why is zard y on the team?
You got no sun benefit.
Why not run pwder venu?

[wheat rapids]

js top 2 zard Y teams in the big tourney didnt use venu. He's strong but not a necessity, further reasoning is earlier in the channel when others gave me the same question if you care enough to go check

[wheat rapids]

zard is sun benefit

[strong anchor]

Fair.
Didnt know zard was good enough solo

[wheat rapids]

he for suresies is, very strong mon 👀

venu is a very good partner with him ofc, but itd be like saying "why dont you run x partner with mega froslass"

[strong anchor]

I just feel you got 2 mons that hate to be in sun.
The fish often doesnt care as he clicks respect.
Milo is hurt in the sun.

Aegislash is not fast and needs to tank hits.
Sun hurts too.

I think both have a hard time here

I guess zard is good cause froslass is exceptional?

[wheat rapids]

going back to my points, i think im leaning towards the milotic swaps (muddy -> scald, life dew -> icy) which i guess is nothing ground breaking since that's prob the more common "meta" set. I am kinda leaning mega ttar also but that means I can't bring zard and ttar together vs opposing weather (which basically makes me auto win if i play well)

[wheat rapids]

yeah that's true. Dropping zard entirely is for sure a consideration, but I rather not as he's one of my all time fav's (and very strong)

[wheat rapids]

yeah

[strong anchor]

Id maybe drop milo and aegi.
Zard limits them as bringing him can hurt in the long run.

Imo if you want a backup sand mode exca is always a good choice

Rotom h and flamethrower mega dnite is also not too uncommon isnt it?

[dull ibex]

I have Exca Ttar Whim Harcanine Sneas Basc

what do i do about id corv

[cerulean nacelle]

I think scald, icy wind, life dew and protect is a very strong milotic moveset. Icy wind will still do big damage to chomp

[wheat rapids]

for what they're doing, i think its ok. Thing is if aegi is out next to zard under sun, I'll prob be clicking wide guard anyways, if they spend a turn killing aegi with, idk weather ball, my zard is free to do things to their team. aegi brings a lot to the table otherwise

[strong anchor]

Basc hits it well.
But tbh...get a special aattacker.
5 physical 1 support

[dull ibex]

Who do I replace

[cerulean nacelle]

What's ur team atm?

[dull ibex]

^

[cerulean nacelle]

Rotom wash honestly is a pretty good option here.

[dull ibex]

I like the idea of washtom

[strong anchor]

I think garg might fill that role better...maybe?
At least a option.
Bulky fire resist with wide guard

[strong anchor]

Yeah agree i run a similar team ages and wash was a perfect add.
Also second support

Willow on hand is great

[cerulean nacelle]

Garg also dies to sneasler, dies to rain, dies to kingambit ironically enough.

[dull ibex]

Im not running will o

What set would I run then

Also again over what mon

[strong anchor]

Scarf switch tbolt hydro x then?

[cerulean nacelle]

Nah on washtom you can run hydro, thunderbolt, will o/electroweb and protect.

[wheat rapids]

garg doesn't deal with mega floette and sneasler like aegi does tho

[dull ibex]

No like I can run will o

But what mon do we replace

[strong anchor]

Isnt zad already good into them?

But yeah i tend to forget sneasler

[strong anchor]

Id say harc maybe?

[cerulean nacelle]

Zards kinda eh. Floette can eat its hits and deal good damage back. Sneasler, kinda? Depends on whether there's a venu pairing or if the sneasler runs rock tomb.

[dull ibex]

Okay

[strong anchor]

Maybe basc?
Idk tbh

[cerulean nacelle]

I would've said harc too. Just doesn't feel like it belongs and it's another ground weakness.

[strong anchor]

Doesnt your own sneazler also cover it?

[cerulean nacelle]

Once again, kinda? If the opp sees sneasler they're less likely to use floette immediately. And even if they do, a lot of floette are also connected to redirection.

So it isn't always clean cut.

Plus mega floettes are investing in defense and HP so I'm like... 87% sure most live a jolly dire claw now.

Sneasler is more likely classified as a soft check, not a straight up counter. Similar to kingambit.

[strong anchor]

Jesh.
I guess i need to get a few more games under my belt.

Btw do you get a box expansion for reaching ranks in solo and doubles rank?

[cerulean nacelle]

Just one or the other I believe. Not both.

[strong anchor]

Owww sad

[cerulean nacelle]

Tbh getting to master rank is enough. That's +20 spaces.

If you bought the bundle, you'll have 100 spaces then. Plenty to experiment with shizz.

[strong anchor]

Yeah, earlier or later i think the starter bundle is a buy.
I recently dusted off sw/sh to get a few mons frm there to transport them.
Teambuilding through X games is still annoying.

Also theres no sets to save is there for each mon

[cerulean nacelle]

I had a lot of mons already. Like... I had sneasler, incin and such from egg breeding and I got a lot of megas from shiny alpha hunting in ZA.

And ZA is actually comically easy to make comp pokemon in if you have the DLC.

[strong anchor]

I dont have za yet.
Im waiting for a limited edition switch 2

[cerulean nacelle]

Fairs.

I have a lot of the megas I want atm. Still missing some (I'm not one who's super hype on mega dnite or such) but the potential is always there to get em tbh.

[strong anchor]

Wasnt that given out free anyway?

Btw any suggestions who to add.
Atm i think of sinistcha, incin, starmie...maybe gyrados or aqua tauros

Whats some mons i need to counter?

[cerulean nacelle]

It was but even then, I'm still not super hype on it. I don't think mega dnite is actually that good outside of rain.

[cerulean nacelle]

Uh... sneasler, mega gengar, mega floette, zard Y + venu... probably some others.

Idk the meta is kinda diverse atm.

[tranquil kraken]

i have no idea sorry I am clueless with anything comp related

[strong anchor]

Mega gengar still perish trap?

[cerulean nacelle]

The ones I see are either perish trap or 3 attacks + protect, typically the 3rd being icy wind support if there's a dangerous chomp on the field.

[chrome knot]

do they pick pokemon or people

[cerulean nacelle]

If it's a pokemon draft league, you probably pick pokemon.

[tranquil kraken]

i do not know

[chrome knot]

both types exist.

[tranquil kraken]

the server itself probably specifies

[cerulean nacelle]

I've never seen a pokemon draft league where you pick people instead.

[strong anchor]

Good to know, thx for the info

[gentle crag]

gilgamesh_xii has given 1 Gen Rep to diobrando8256

[chrome knot]

NPA, NPAA, USPA, VGC World Cup, just to name a few

smogon world cup

[strong anchor]

Uh, thats automated now, neat

[pearl wind]

@spiral zealot 2k elo for decidueye

[chrome knot]

its pokemon draft BORINGGGG

[tranquil kraken]

[chrome knot]

honkshoooooo honkshoooooo

[cerulean nacelle]

Wow, basculin is giving me some serious troubles. Haven't found a shiny since the 2 females.

[formal parrot]

If covert cloak were here, I'd be giving it to Aegislash

[chrome knot]

for

[formal parrot]

So I can actually use a physical set

[pearl wind]

you prob mean clear amulet

[chrome knot]

^

[formal parrot]

Okay yeah right

Idk why I said covert cloak

[chrome knot]

covert cloak amoonguss for my scam in game ladder format

[cerulean nacelle]

Covert cloak on my kommo-o so I can run overcoat and not be flinched.

he will set up clangorous soul

I do miss items like clear amulet and covert cloak.

[chrome knot]

kommo o in the delphox floette garde format

[ember jungle]

Ooh, how does H-Decidueye work out?

[pearl wind]

u crit

[noble hatch]

so fun fact for ya'll Lopunny gets access to copycat which means technically it can use the move explosion and if you mega that means not even ghost types would be safe

do with that information what you will

[strong anchor]

How about mega starmie huge power explosion?

[noble hatch]

not as impressive tbh

[polar canyon]

Wait does twin beam lowkey have an use now

For sash sneasler

[wheat rapids]

its a p popular mon actually

also garde is kinda booty cheeks no?

[polar canyon]

Might as well just explode a mega glalie instead of sacrificing 2 mons

[chrome knot]

no

[polar canyon]

Glaciate explosion will hit ghosts

Garde is decently solid mega and non mega rn I think

[noble hatch]

i didnt say it was good

[polar canyon]

I think anything that can hit sneasler for super effective rn is welcome

[wheat rapids]

what's she do

[chrome knot]

pixilate hyper voice & psyshock

[polar canyon]

Wonder if I could center a team around offensive nasty plot sinistcha and make it work

Because even on 2 resists it jus gets a lot of healing from a +2 spread draining move

[noble hatch]

@polar canyonusing espathra to baton pass a speed boost + calm mind would probably be better

that way you dont have to start with sinistcha on the field too

[tired echo]

is there a difference still between male and female meowstic and basculegion in champions?

[noble hatch]

yes?

meowstics have different abilities

and basculegions are differnt types of attackers

[tired echo]

interesting

male meostic is better then w/ rankster?

[noble hatch]

depends what you want

male meowstic lets you use prankster quick guard against fake out and always succeed

but competitive is very good for mega meowstic

[wheat rapids]

would i be crazy to run taunt on aero and drop rock slide

idk i just feel like i have nothing i can do vs perish trap

[noble hatch]

then go for it

[chrome knot]

rain mu felt so hard until i learnt garde does like 60% to arch

[wheat rapids]

whats your team rn?

[chrome knot]

should garde just be hyper voice moonblast psychic/psyshock protect

[jade dust]

What is a good 2nd mega for a Mega Meganium rain team?

[noble hatch]

depends on what the rest of your team is

[wheat rapids]

thanks, nice

[gentle crag]

tomb99 has given 1 Gen Rep to setsumizi

[noble hatch]

not vibing with crabominable?

[jade dust]

I like it but I’m wondering if there is something better

Cuz I don’t bring it often

Except against trick room team

[noble hatch]

im a fan of mega lucario tbh

rain helps get rid of its fire weakness

and it hits things meganium tends to struggle against

mega starmie is another good option

[cyan smelt]

Or mega scizor

[noble hatch]

yup another good one

[cyan smelt]

Works in tr too

[noble hatch]

mega aggron is also a really funny option

if you can get it inside of trick room+rain it becomes pretty scary

also why are you running sunny day on farigiraf?

[cyan smelt]

That thing gets really hard to remove if you don't play around it properly

[rare drift]

Deadass Aggron can be such a menace

[jade dust]

I see

How slow is mega Scizor?

[real prairie]

That slow

[jade dust]

Also I’m considering if Incineroar is the correct pick

I want something against sun

I was thinking Rotom heat

[tired echo]

why are all the GTS trades for floette just looking for other floettes..

wish i didnt need ZA to get one of the best mons

[noble hatch]

basically people showing off that they have floette

[tired echo]

they suck

[whole ibex]

Any other items Venu runs apart from sash?

[noble hatch]

venusaurite

[whole ibex]

other than that

[noble hatch]

i could it running sitrus, leftovers or even the flying dmg reduction berry

[tired echo]

I guess if you want to change rotoms form you have to do it outside of champions?

[jade dust]

I’m glad I caught like 8 shiny rotoms in ZA and made each a different form

[supple latch]

@gentle island, here’s my Prima set

[tired echo]

hah ya I just have one shiny thats why I asked. is it pretty easy to get as shiny in ZA?

[chrome knot]

tf format is this even

[supple latch]

Doubles OU

[clever root]

Good place to leave it for tonight

The idiot patrol is movin up

[cyan smelt]

Are weaviles running low kick because i'm super scared of that into gambit

[noble hatch]

when i was running weavile i did

[jade dust]

Yes very easy

You still have to grind the donuts

That’s the annoying thing

After that you get a guaranteed shiny

[jade dust]

Thoughts about this Floette build?

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/e6b98e43bc4d4f55 how would i add tailwind to this team?

[stuck perch]

https://x.com/pokemonshell/status/2044755581018214561?s=46&t=KB4CVv355gDMDGNjhuVNuA

Pokemonshell (@Pokemonshell)

Pokemon logic🤣

X · Apr 16, 2026, 12:31 PM

https://x.com/choctopusyt/status/2044765830290759863?s=46&t=KB4CVv355gDMDGNjhuVNuA

Choctopus 🐙 (@ChoctopusYT)

My friend just sent me this lmao

X · Apr 16, 2026, 1:12 PM

Damn lmaooo

[cyan smelt]

I know that pain, I had a shiny baltoy use self destruct on me in swsh

[bold geode]

What format are you building for

[stuck perch]

Oh damn 🤣

[jade dust]

Well the current champions

[winter fox]

On a losing streak tonight ☺️

[stuck perch]

https://x.com/unitevids/status/2044387362520670557?s=46&t=KB4CVv355gDMDGNjhuVNuA

MAGIKARP🦈💦 (@UniteVids)

Metagross prefers to enjoy the simple life

X · Apr 15, 2026, 12:08 PM

[winter fox]

Ultra 2 is just pick a team and hope you win

[rare drift]

Deadass

[bold geode]

Why aren't you set to Champions then

For format

[dull ibex]

im 1510 chat 🙂

[cyan smelt]

I need to ladder today, what's ur team

[dull ibex]

Im using joeux9's sand team

but im not top 2k im 1,510 elo

im at the bottom of masterball 4

[quasi mica]

Does mega meganiums weather ball damage still get halved if used while it’s raining?

[lost sun]

no

[cyan smelt]

Nope it's always full 150 bp

[lost sun]

I'm also pretty sure it ignores the defence rises that snow and sand give

on all attacks most likely

[supple latch]

Current state of this team I’m making, but I’m wondering who to add as the final member. Also if there are other things I could change about the other team members, that would be great, thanks

[jade dust]

I’m just using showdown to show it

[supple latch]

This is for Champions btw

[bold geode]

@jade dust to answer your question btw I guess that spread is fine, wanna know what you calced it for
But generally know that Floette isn't usually timid max speed and go Modest

[jade dust]

I’m not playing ladder on showdown

[bold geode]

At least your CM variants

[bold geode]

Yeah but in your teambuilder in the format you can set it to Champions M-A and the EVs will follow how they are in Champions

[spiral zealot]

went 0-5 today

idk if its me or my team

[cyan smelt]

On champions?

[spiral zealot]

yeah

i dropped from like 1830 to 1700 rating or something

[cyan smelt]

Try it out on showdown, see what you're losing to and struggling with

[wheat rapids]

does it cook 👀

[pearl wind]

[spiral zealot]

focus blast seems pretty dookie

[spiral zealot]

thank you
it was depressing but i think i was just not in the right mental to be playing well

[gentle crag]

mothscales has given 1 Gen Rep to amoransiia

[cyan smelt]

Some advice i got taught (which I have been at times too stubborn to take on) is that if I lose 3 in a row to take a break

[wheat rapids]

what would you replace it with?

[cyan smelt]

Substitute

[wheat rapids]

someone went 13-2 in a tourney with that exact set btw 👀

[spiral zealot]

i mean im not an expert im just saying a 70% accurate move seems dookie

[wheat rapids]

true

[cyan smelt]

Focus blast sucks

[wheat rapids]

i think its one of those, click it or die type moves, prob against dark types

[jade dust]

Well Idk what EVs are used on sneasler

If just max atk and spd or some bulk

[cyan smelt]

i'm just going max atk max spe jolly

[jade dust]

So it’s safe to 1 shot it with Garchomp

[cyan smelt]

i'm sash

[jade dust]

Or dual wing

I rather see sash so intimidate stays

[cyan smelt]

i think blastoise is gonna be a problem for my team

[pearl wind]

mega blastoise is so silly

[spiral zealot]

i did play some games on showdown just now but i was only running into weird teams
i think i was mostly struggling today against teams with the kind of Main Characters of this reg like Kingambit and Garchomp and stuff

[cyan smelt]

it's a shame that champions doesn't have a replay function so we could share how we're losing

[spiral zealot]

yeahh hopefully something they can add

one of the games i lost today was against Mega-Floette Oranguru and i dont think anything i did there would've succeeded unless i was able to demolish Oranguru Turn 1

but the rest were just like. me not playing well around Kingambit and Sneasler and stuff

Sucker Punch is frustrating

[pearl wind]

not garchomp

[cyan smelt]

kingambit and sneasler are hard to play around

[zinc edge]

Ok my friend is running garchomp and basculegion M we are trying to decide who gets choice scarf any input ?

[cyan smelt]

basc needs protect, chomp is more likely to live a sucker punch

[pearl wind]

chomp is like the worst mon i could face and i see it 3/5 games 😭

[cyan smelt]

give basc the sash

[zinc edge]

Aero has sash

[cyan smelt]

give it mystic water then, budget urshifu

[spiral zealot]

i lost against someone running mega garchomp i was so mad

like who tf runs mega chomp and i still lost 😭

[cyan smelt]

dw about random ladder jank

that's why i like tournaments because it's more predictable what mons you're going to face

stalwart arch might pick up now that there's all this mega stoise and redirection around

[foggy lodge]

Whats the point of two priority tailwind setters here?

[pearl wind]

i lost vs a mega blastoise team yesterday cuz i brought the wrong mons vs their full TR mode

did not expect that

[cyan smelt]

yeahhhh, mega stoise is def gonna be a problem with my team if it runs water spout or water pulse/dark pulse/aura sphere

[wheat rapids]

im only bringing 1 at a time to a match, they do different things. talonflame pivots out right after chomp can earthquake, so ttar comes in safely to set sand (sets weather after any fast moves/megas/switches) which also makes garchomp tankier, whereas whims is there for more consistent prio tailwind if needed + fake tears nuke

so just for different situations

[pearl wind]

ended up falling to 1978 yesterday after i sent the screenshot LOL

[foggy lodge]

its not necessary

[wheat rapids]

if i dont need tailwind i just bring in aegi

[foggy lodge]

You'd rather have mons that do different things instead of the same thing but slightly different, it overlaps the role and the picks into each match

[pearl wind]

i dont mind too much, ye it stinks but its not like i dont know why i lost

[wheat rapids]

i mean i'd replace talonflame with rotom who does the same pivot idea but worse, while providing willo and hydro pump, but imo talonflame is better

[graceful scaffold]

this is good advice ty lol

[cyan smelt]

rotom is good in this format

[graceful scaffold]

yeah my team needs another update, corv just not good into sun and ghosts and rizzler

[cyan smelt]

rizzler?

[chilly sluice]

anyone fb rn?

[left bobcat]

Sheee

[austere pilot]

would you guys replace sylveon for someone like gardevior?

I find its a little slow/weak idk

[left bobcat]

Maybe

[austere pilot]

its mainly a counter into psychic mons like gardevior, which venusaur would have a problem dealing with

[left bobcat]

For now

[austere pilot]

wdym for now lol

[chilly sluice]

sylveon just does not feel good rn without tera or throat spray

[left bobcat]

Is throat spray gone?

[chilly sluice]

for now yes

[left bobcat]

Eh

[cyan smelt]

i'm scared of laddering because of mega blastoise

[supple latch]

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to change the team?