competitive_discussion

[supple latch]

For the megas that didn’t immediately arrive to Champions, what abilities do you think they might get?

[cerulean nacelle]

Never. People are stupid.

Someone tried to use super fang from their maushold onto my froslass.

[supple latch]

What is wrong with ppl

It’s absurd

[red willow]

I mean

[indigo coral]

I'm assuming Mega Malamar just keeps Contrary, idk if it's even possible to fix it without a new busted ability like Topsy Turvy the field on Mega

[daring jungle]

i unfortunately havnt encountered any of this

[red willow]

Ill take a free shell smash bruv

[stuck perch]

Surely the skill gap won't be a big difference

[leaden fox]

Well, you'd be a little surprised 😅

[lost sun]

I faced some dude who spammed EQ like 3 times from their burnt -3 chomp and they killed their own sneasler
the only Pokémon of mine he could've hit was Incin

[indigo coral]

People in Master still try to Fake Out and Sucker Punch into Farigiraf leads. Some people just copy a Sun team and spam Zard Y to Masters

[daring jungle]

im using a zard y team, but im struggling. am i bad?

[red willow]

Is this strategy cooking or lame: Trick Sableye holding its mega stone to give it away for sash

[earnest rapids]

??? Is blastiose not weak to electric

[red willow]

Rage powder moment

[lost sun]

gl using that

[supple latch]

I might use a sun team for masters, like it is a beginner friendly team some websites say

[indigo coral]

That doesn't mean you're bad, people are just starting to account for it in the builder now

[stuck perch]

Bruh my trick room spiritomb with willo wisp fucks all physical attack mon 🤣

[cerulean nacelle]

Not bad. Maybe inexperienced. Once you get an idea of what pokemon do in the metagame it'll be easier to use your team's strengths.

[spark siren]

Is this a good mega Glimmora moveset (singles format)?
Power Gem
Sludge Wave
Energy Ball
Earth Power

I already have Excadrill as hazard setup (stealth rock)

[cerulean nacelle]

Should have rocks. Drill can be an SD variant instead.

[lost sun]

I burnt him with a rotom

[supple latch]

Would Mega Glimmora have been better off with Levitate? I know Adaptability is good, but it’s a 4x weakness to ground

[stuck perch]

No status move or spikes?

[cerulean nacelle]

Unless you're using mega glimm here.

[stuck perch]

Ah ok

[lost sun]

probably but it's hard to say

[earnest rapids]

Did I just see a message talking about unofficial leaks here???

Which is against the rules

[lost sun]

what message

[supple latch]

Whoops sry, I got rid of it now

Didn’t know

[indigo coral]

Oh I missed that, thanks SusGaming

[cerulean nacelle]

Both are good abilities.

Adaptability helps mega glimmoras damage output since it wouldn't be able to do power herb meteor beam. So power gem being essentially base 160BP and sludge wave being 190BP does a lot for it.

[earnest rapids]

It dealt with abilities to unreleased ZA megas

[supple latch]

Yeah sry, that’s my fault, I didn’t know it was against the rules

[red willow]

What about OFFICIAL leaks bb

Tpc is just like yeah

[earnest rapids]

Those are called announcements

[red willow]

Oh shoot

[cerulean nacelle]

Ngl, I don't think people care anymore lol. A lot of it is just speculation. If it is against the rules, someone would enforce it.

No need to be a teachers pet lmao.

[daring jungle]

is mega floette faster than zard y or venu in sun?

[supple latch]

I mean, yeah, but I still wanted to follow the rules so I don’t get warned/banned from the server

[lost sun]

faster than zard

[supple latch]

Zard Y, yes, Venu with Chlorophyll, no

[cerulean nacelle]

Faster than zard Y as its base 102. Not faster than chlorophyll venu.

[indigo coral]

Mods aren't all-seeing, when people report it they do enforce it. Speculation is fine, mentioning leaks got another big pokemon server shut down. Not worth the risk and the reason the rule exists

[red willow]

Yeah big papa nintendo hates us having the forbidden fruit of knowledge

[cerulean nacelle]

Fair enough if.

[spark siren]

Replace energy ball with stealth rocks

[daring jungle]

why is aerodactyl so fast?

[cerulean nacelle]

If you're set on using mega glimm, then this should be fine.

I don't think mega glimm is gonna be great into singles when mega lucario is around.

[cerulean nacelle]

Big ancient pterodactyl birb

[daring jungle]

yeah, if i run into one, its almost feels like an auto loss

[cerulean nacelle]

It's the quickest non prankster tailwind setter.

It's not an auto loss but deffo a threat. Especially if they're mega aero.

[daring jungle]

but it just outspeeds and almost oneshots all my mons

[earnest rapids]

I mean, prankster tailwind targets your side, so it isn't blocked by armor tail style abilities

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm aware? Not what I'm on about.

Prankster tailwind is also useful but aerodactyl is also a real mon that threatens mons like zard Y and such under it.

[earnest rapids]

Sorry, I didn't read the context

[cerulean nacelle]

No worries.

[earnest rapids]

Zard Y gives me nightmares due to it setting up sun... and since it is slower than froslass... it has weather priority when both mega at the same time

[daring jungle]

mine outspeeds mega froslass so its quite annoying to deal with

[supple latch]

How fast is Mega Frost again? 120?

[earnest rapids]

120 base

[stuck perch]

Thats why I got him in my team plus Frosslass in the cut chillin

[supple latch]

Yep, knew it

[stuck perch]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-tyranitar-rage-battle-flames-gif-5377172

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-evillaugh-gif-4756571

[earnest rapids]

Wait, how? Mega froslass usually has 32 speed points and timid

[supple latch]

Probably it was Modest Nature

They wanted damage over speed

For me, I usually give my Pokémon their nature depending on what their 2nd highest base stat it

[daring jungle]

For some reason, whenever i mega my zard and they mega their lass, mine is always faster somehow. Its annoying

[supple latch]

So for example, if a Pokémon’s highest stat is special attack and the 2nd highest is speed, I’m gonna run a timid nature rather than Modest, though there are some exceptions to this for me

Like Chlorophyll and Speed Boost

[earnest rapids]

I usually decide natures by cutting the lowest attack stat (or speed if aegislash, trick room, or if there is another advantage to being outsped) and raising the other attack stat, lowest defense stat (if it frail in 1 stat), or speed (usually for pkmn with high speed above 100 as a minimum)

[red willow]

How much speed does +2 on average give

[vernal shadow]

I read somewhere that there was a bug when moving Pokémon out of champions. Is this still the case or is it fixed ?

[red willow]

Im outspeeding things I didnt think I would after one shell smash lol

[earnest rapids]

Double the original stat

[supple latch]

I have heard of it but I never experienced it

[earnest rapids]

+4 is triple, +6 is 4fold

[red willow]

Oh so blastoise has mfin 200 speed

Nice

I guess that explains it moving before fast mons lmao

[earnest rapids]

Factoring in stat points and nature too

[vernal shadow]

Want to bring some shinies in but don't want them thanos snapped
Are ribbons earnable and able to be moved back ? Do we know ? Haven't had time to play yet. Deadlines on the 28th so I don't want to get dragged into something and not do my work

[red willow]

Modest, but full speed investment too

We want fast chonky spouts bb

[earnest rapids]

260 speed, then

[red willow]

Oh

[stuck perch]

I've only been able to utilize sword dance once on my Gallade 😭💀

[red willow]

Yeah thats kinda cracked

[earnest rapids]

Wait thats mega

My bad

[red willow]

Yeah Im using mega

So thats a calc for me

[earnest rapids]

Nvm they're the same

[stuck perch]

Water spout mega Blastoise gives me nightmares

[cerulean nacelle]

It's a pretty strong pairing with sinistcha and incin.

[red willow]

It is hillarious on ladder

[supple latch]

I’m guessing it’s also a gg button in rain

[zinc edge]

Anyone wanna hop in a VC ?

[real prairie]

reached a point of losing as many as i am winning now, think i need to shift up the team

[red willow]

Yeah Im using it with a scarfed up peli for a shite tornadus impression

"Priority" tw bb

[stuck perch]

The hell with that team that shyt shud be illegal 😭😭

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm look I haven't really ran into it. Especially atm that I'm just testing TR mega camerupt in casuals.

Blastoise would nuke my man.

[red willow]

Sinistcha is there too

[stuck perch]

Yeah just gonna ahead n forfeit 😭

[red willow]

The funniest is when you lead sinistcha blastoise and they click double electric attack on blastoise

[stuck perch]

Oh yeah you wud be cooked 🤣

[supple latch]

I mean, it’s just as bad as Kyogre in the rain

[red willow]

And you rage powder and shell smash

[supple latch]

Kyogre is still worse

[cerulean nacelle]

Kyogre is immediate.

[earnest rapids]

Is there a move that stops rage powder with equal or higher priority that can hit ghost types?

[cerulean nacelle]

Nope.

[stuck perch]

So double thunder in rain wudnt hurt him 😭💀?

[zinc edge]

If you want priority tailwind use gale wings talon flame 🔥 @red willow actual priority tailwind

[cerulean nacelle]

Unless you use like... scrappy kangaskhan fake out?

[real prairie]

Advice on improvements?

[red willow]

Naw dishcarge would tho

[supple latch]

Yep, the whale is still worse

[red willow]

I need rain for big spouts :c

[stuck perch]

That mf is tanking more than Blastoise 😭😭

[supple latch]

To go up against, just for context

[real prairie]

Talonflame gets raindance

[supple latch]

What

[zinc edge]

It does fr ?

[red willow]

I mean that is really cool and I will keep it in mind

[zinc edge]

Peli would be better I think tho for what he's doing

[cerulean nacelle]

100% because it also doesn't need a mega stone for some high special attack so it can run scarf or specs and it sets its own weather.

[stuck perch]

Rain dance while it's a fire type is insane btw

[real prairie]

Probably but an excuse to share the info

[supple latch]

Well that’s stupid

[supple latch]

Make it even dumber by giving it the Blue Prb

[cerulean nacelle]

I mean does it make much sense for farigiraf to be able to use sunny day?

[red willow]

Should I go full on unga bunga and add clefable for follow me for an even safer setup?

[cerulean nacelle]

I am curious if primals are gonna come back.

[cerulean nacelle]

Clef or maushold for sure.

[supple latch]

Big 6 will come back

[real prairie]

Id imagine so

[zinc edge]

How's my team looking ?

[real prairie]

Think some have been power crept

[real prairie]

Familiar lol

[cerulean nacelle]

Kang did so yes.

[stuck perch]

Cracked on paper

[supple latch]

Yeah I know, especially with heavy nerfs to some of them but still

[real prairie]

Kang actually hits really well into the current meta

[red willow]

Kang is good

[zinc edge]

Well it just walked all the way to ultra ball 🤣

[supple latch]

Even with nerfs, Kang is still good

[cerulean nacelle]

He's good but he is nerfed. Lost a lot of good things.

[zinc edge]

He lost power up punch 🤣

It was So good

[supple latch]

By far the biggest nerf

You can no longer sharply raise your attack by x2

[zinc edge]

Sword dance plus good damage it was crazy

[real prairie]

Not related to kang but I keep forgetting Aegislash gets close combat, it's so stupid

[cerulean nacelle]

Yup

[supple latch]

I did not know that

[zinc edge]

Is Aegislash still used as a swords dance 3 times and then sweep kinda guy

[earnest rapids]

I just thought of something!

Turn 1: fake out on sneasler outspeeds sinistcha, flinches blastoise. Taunt on sinistcha by whimsicott prevents turn 2 rage powder
Turn 2: attack blastoise

[supple latch]

Very risky, but it can still work i think

[real prairie]

Nah, it's being used as a focus sash counter to Floettes weaknesses

[zinc edge]

Yeah scrappy kang can fake out sinistcha

[supple latch]

Very good breakthrough there sir @earnest rapids

[cerulean nacelle]

That does work but there's no guarantee they lead like that. And they might protect blastoise to stop the fake out.

[earnest rapids]

It delays a turn... and opens up for a good encore

[supple latch]

But yeah, silly stuff like protect may cause the strategy to go off the rails

But yeah, there’s also Encore

[red willow]

Yeah thats why I like this dang fat turtle so much

Its unpredicatable

[earnest rapids]

Imagine blastoise being forced to sit spamming protect

[supple latch]

You can either go support with Fake Out and follow me, or call it ggs with Max special attack and Mega mode. No wonder it’s so entertaining

[cerulean nacelle]

Most sets that run taunt aren't running encore.

[earnest rapids]

I do

[cerulean nacelle]

Well kudos to you ig lol

[earnest rapids]

Whimsi knows encore tailwind taunt and king's rock fling

[supple latch]

I still run encore on Whimsy, it just feels right, but also funny at the same time

[earnest rapids]

Encore into taunt also produces struggle

[red willow]

Poor basc and his frail little fish body

Blastoise used water spout!

[earnest rapids]

I mean, it knows a base 200 ghost type move

[red willow]

Its not very ecfective.......

[stuck perch]

https://x.com/splashplatevgc/status/2044254158358802897?s=46&t=KB4CVv355gDMDGNjhuVNuA

SplashPlate (@SplashPlateVGC)

okay bro

X · Apr 15, 2026, 3:19 AM

[red willow]

Basc dead in a corner:

[supple latch]

I forgot you can do that

[stuck perch]

I ain't good enough for Champion or Master Ball Tier. The ceiling is too high 😩😭

[earnest rapids]

I really gotta learn to read context

[red willow]

Lol youre good I actually did kill a basc at full health with +2 water sput in rain after outspeeding

[cerulean nacelle]

Trust me it isn't. I was a singles player until champion dropped and I still managed to get to master rank.

[red willow]

I was just making a funny

[supple latch]

Well, it is the VGC Goat after all, so it makes sense, but also Congratulations to him

[stuck perch]

Oh fr well that's interesting 🤨

[earnest rapids]

The ceiling is just barely in reach

[stuck perch]

Yeah most definitely

[earnest rapids]

Why does it have to be the 67th placement

[red willow]

You know

[supple latch]

Yeah, for my whole life, I’ve always been singles battle person, but thanks to being inspired by content creators and through Champions releasing, I know it’s possible for me to get to at least hit my modest goal of reaching Master Ball

[gentle crag]

lightly.friendly has given 1 Gen Rep to diobrando8256

[red willow]

6

[supple latch]

Why is the vot like this

[red willow]

7

[stuck perch]

https://tenor.com/view/sixseven-six-seven-six-seve-67-gif-14143337669032958349

[supple latch]

I did not notice that

[red willow]

Im scared of singles

Volcarona doesnt like stealth rox

And I like volcarona

So we have a problem

[supple latch]

I still do singles casually, but doubles is where my competitive spirit kicks in

[earnest rapids]

I was going to give volc heavy duty boots, but it isn't even in the game

[red willow]

Lol ikr

Throat spray prim moment:

[supple latch]

Where does bro wear the boots anyways?

[red willow]

On his antannae like a silly little guy

[earnest rapids]

Unironically, this got me thinking about how pokemon hold items

[cerulean nacelle]

It's certainly possible. It's definitely possible to reach master rank utilising abstract strategies as well.

I think I'm one of the only people who utilised a bulkier mega froslass aurora veil team from what I've seen. Everyone else uses max speed max special attack.

[supple latch]

Man I wish. Though Life Orb would be somewhat better because at least, it’s not getting prevented by Throat Chop

[earnest rapids]

Like: where does glaile keep its mega stone to mega evolve?

[red willow]

I mean if they throat chop the prim I just start moonblastin

[supple latch]

In it’s mouth, where else

[cerulean nacelle]

In it's mouth, that's why it's jaw breaks lol

[red willow]

Like that danny devito meme

[supple latch]

Yes, that’s why

[earnest rapids]

And most humanoid pokemon have 2 hands, but can hold 1 item

[supple latch]

Unless, they pull off those fashion things in the anime.

[cerulean nacelle]

Thing is, they may be able to hold multiple items, it may just be standard regulations that they can only hold one.

Like when people do drug tests in the Olympics lol.

Can't be holding 2 life orbs, that's against the rules

[earnest rapids]

Do standard regulations apply when fighting a bioterrorist who wants to evaporate the oceans?

[cerulean nacelle]

Yes because even villains have scruples.

And tbh in whichever game you played the opposite team was the good guys, so like... yeah probably still obeying the laws.

We have yet to see team rocket just steal one of our pokemon lol.

[earnest rapids]

I just thought of this, there is a popular fangame out there with a sidequest in which your entire team is stolen... (idk if this is the right place to talk about this)

[real prairie]

i just faced a fucking scarf Floette

like fml

[red willow]

Is anyone else kinda confused why mega dnite with full sp attack investment fails to ko half the meta with a neutral draco meteor

Leave em at 20 percent: the mon

I want my mega to be a delete button holmes

[earnest rapids]

Imagine if pokedex entries determined a pokemon's viability... Victini would probably be the most used pkmn

...In a hypothetical tier it existed in with said hypothetical viability

[red willow]

Literal god of the pokeverse in the corner:

[earnest rapids]

Pokedex entry from Black: This Pokémon brings victory. It is said that Trainers with Victini always win, regardless of the type of encounter.

[red willow]

Le humble both trainers bringing one: Victory paradox

[solid valley]

Guys, i could use some help. I do like to create a fire/ sun team together with Trevenant, because of his Forest curse.

Any ideas?

This would be for champions

[red willow]

I feel like my choice of adamant sash sneasler is paying off

KOing things off a se dire claw I dont think jolly necessarily would

[real prairie]

sash sneasler is driving me up the wall now

[red willow]

If you still wanted to get that game in against me Id still like to jam against a traditional rain team

Youd get practice against sash sneasler too win win

Lol

[earnest rapids]

This game is an absolute embarrasment to online competitive games everywhere.

[real prairie]

Sure, DM me

[novel fjord]

Tinkaton, mega gengar, mega dragonite, archaludone, peliper, basculigeon

[cerulean nacelle]

I think that's a little harsh. It's not great but it's the beginning. They're doing what they always do and dripfeeding us content so we don't just get bored with the game immediately.

Gotta see how it develops before you make this kind of statement.

[earnest rapids]

There are too many glitches and 99% of the entire playerbase use hacked clients

[leaden fox]

Saying 99% is a bit of a stretch honestly; I'd honestly say about 10% at the very highest

[dim pendant]

did you get got by a perish trap team or something?

[torpid hearth]

Yeah the game has problems but jesus lol

[violet parcel]

more like they got baited by illusion horoark hahaha

[dim pendant]

and the problems are - from i understand - just a limited pokemon/item pool which... honestly, seems like a bit of a first world issue.

[wild knot]

Someone made some speed tier charts feel free to use https://vxtwitter.com/sbe_u/status/2042616769609916551

さいん (@sbe_u)

https://t.co/VYSYxyKP9w

vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 10, 2026, 2:52 PM

[torpid hearth]

Oh cool

[cerulean nacelle]

Literally, feels like a bit of a harsh commentary for a game that's so fresh.

[leaden fox]

I know we'll obviously get more mons and items in due time; just no clue when xP

[leaden fox]

Basically their comment reminds of a certain youtuber very disliked 😅

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeahhhhhh

[leaden fox]

Obviously if you know, you know 😅
Not gonna say their name, don't want a Joe Hendry moment 🤣

[torpid hearth]

Okay what would be a good mon to deal with gambit on a tr team

[cerulean nacelle]

Depends on your current team comp.

Can't just say "this pokemon is good" because it may not work with the rest of your team.

[leaden fox]

Hm, likely a slow mon that is Fighting type with possibly Low Kick, etc; Machamp comes to mind

[torpid hearth]

I see

I'm still trying to figure all this shit out haha it's alot at first

[leaden fox]

That is perfectly understandable; after all, Rome wasn't built in a day, so likely it takes a little bit to get used to team comp, building, etc

[dim pendant]

My suggestion, look into WolfeyVGC's vids - he does a great job of explaining how he builds his teams and why

[leaden fox]

Yeah, always a solid suggestion

[torpid hearth]

I know i am keeping mega aggron and sinistcha on whatever my final tr team ends up being because good god they are fun together

[dim pendant]

Oh I bet - unbreakable wall and something that can help heal + redirect

[leaden fox]

Farigiraf is an option too; Armor Tail stops your opponent's priority moves and it gets Trick Room too

[torpid hearth]

Yeah i've been trying farig too

It is also very useful

[leaden fox]

I know Machamp is 55 base speed; so if you gave it Brave or Sassy Nature with no Speed EVs, it'll help in Trick Room too

I believe everyone got a free Machamp with the code: CHAMP10N

One thing that is unfortunate though; you can't fully rely on Guts yet until Flame/Toxic Orb is in the game

[torpid hearth]

Yeah that's why i've been avoiding guts mons haha

[leaden fox]

Yeah, can understand that 😅

You could also go Conkeldurr since it gets Iron Fist I believe

Even gets Sheer Force

[torpid hearth]

Oh yeah

[leaden fox]

But I think Iron Fist would be the better option; powers up Mach Punch and Drain Punch

[torpid hearth]

Yeah def

[leaden fox]

I'd suggest Mach Punch, Drain Punch, Protect and likely Poison Jab (for Fairy counter)

[torpid hearth]

Oh cool it gets upper hand, that could be funny for the constant incin spam

[leaden fox]

Yeah, forget it gets that too xD

Once we start getting a few more extra mons and a few more held items, could see a slight meta shift again

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/f2f89a3ecb1ffda5 thoughts?

[leaden fox]

Looks solid overall

And I don't mean because Rock and Steel types xD

[dull ibex]

Any changes i should look into

[dim pendant]

Main thing on my mind is what is your answer to other dangerous fighting-types?

[leaden fox]

atm, not that I am sure of; though hard to say if you may use Dragon Dance on Ttar, maybe something like Ice Punch/Fang for Ground counter; or possibly Stomping Tantrum

[dull ibex]

Corv

[dim pendant]

🤔 I dig it. What's your approach if you're unable to get trick room off with Sinistcha?

Sneasler?

[dull ibex]

I don't focus on tr

[dim pendant]

ahhh, okie

[sage estuary]

so I queued up for a game in pokemon champions and my game went black screen so i restarted it now im actually soft locked in "Preparing for battle". Has anyone else ran into this issue because I'm actually softlocked 💀.
Edit:
it ended up going away after like 20min i guess match played out in the background

[leaden fox]

Not run into that before honestly O_o

I've been very, very fortunate not to hit any issues so far

[viscid garnet]

https://pokepast.es/d599030ecda5eb5a So I have been testing this team on the ladder and it does surprisingly well, I had a 6th pokemon but every 6th pokemon kept not being used, Goodra Hisui was too gimmicky, and I also struggled against Sneasler a LOT, and some trick room teams a bit, anyone have any advice on a 6th mon?

Venusaur made me struggle a bit too tbh

[spiral zealot]

if you're struggling against Sneasler and Venusaur you could add another fast flying type like Talonflame or Aerodactyl?
maybe like Scarf Hawlucha??
another flying type might make you too weak to rock slide tho idk

[cerulean nacelle]

I think guts is still a useful ability with things like dire claw sneasler about. Punishing the opponent for landing a poison or paralysis is viable.

[viscid garnet]

thats what I was thinking too

[cerulean nacelle]

Especially when you can just give it a black belt if you want a 1.2 boost to match punch and drain punch.

[leaden fox]

Yeah, not saying Guts is bad; but requires you to take a hit for sure 😅

At least until the Orbs are in

[viscid garnet]

rock slide has been an issue but my meganium always sweeps garchomp and ttar tbf

[spiral zealot]

maybe like Scarf Garchomp? it would hit Sneasler with Ground

[leaden fox]

You have no idea how many times that happens to us 😅
Heck, has happened to Wolfe Glick too 🤣

[cerulean nacelle]

I mean, in singles, people still ran marvel scale on milotic but ran leftovers. You could bait the opponent using something like wisp or t wave on a different mon and become bulkier.

I still think guts is a high value ability.

[viscid garnet]

maybe? that'd just mean i'd have to make sure to not kill my ally in the process if i use EQ

[spiral zealot]

Garchomp can also just use Stomping Tantrum instead of EQ

[viscid garnet]

true

[leaden fox]

@viscid garnet You could run Archuladon as well; pairs up well with Pelipper

[spiral zealot]

you also dont have to use Scarf necessarily if you're consistently doing Tailwind

[cerulean nacelle]

Even see people proc their own guts mons by using will o wisp on em.

[viscid garnet]

i've thought of archuladon tbh

[leaden fox]

Yeah, I just mean for Doubles more than anything

[leaden fox]

I know for a fact it does very well 🙂

[viscid garnet]

i just thought it might overshadow Pika tbh

[viscid garnet]

true

[cerulean nacelle]

Even then guts Is still very good.

[viscid garnet]

but pika isnt meant to be the sweep

[leaden fox]

May do yeah, but atm, it is a very solid mon with Electro Shot getting +1 SpAtk and instant charge when in rain

[spiral zealot]

you could also try a psychic type? i dont know if any of them are particularly great this format but Gallade seems decent into Sneasler and Venusaur

[viscid garnet]

that's very true

and i have mons to cover ground types

[leaden fox]

Exactly yeah

[pearl wind]

[leaden fox]

Though ironically, if you use Stalwart Archuladon; it'll not get hit with redirection moves nor Lightning Rod

[spiral zealot]

max attack gallade psycho cut nearly OHKOs max bulk regular venusaur
if you add Adamant nature and Twistedspoon you have 94% ohko chance

[red willow]

Whats the fastest knock off user this format?

[leaden fox]

Trying to think myself 😅

[viscid garnet]

thinking about it, i have two phys attackers being pika and palafin, one/ technically two sp atk, and technically two supports

[spiral zealot]

Weavile and Meowscarada close second unless you count Megas (then its Mega Zam, Mega Beedrill, Mega Gengar)

[red willow]

Ah igy thanks

Weavile seems like the best option outta all those imo if Im going that route with it

[spiral zealot]

the one with the most usage thats decently high speed is normal Gengar with 110 speed

[red willow]

Yeah but like its gonna lightly tickle oppo

A knock off from a weavile prolly hurtz at the same time

[sage estuary]

Can anyone explain why my burned galar* slowbro (special) used the physical version of shell side arm when it was burned? was into a milotic

[dull ibex]

What do yall think about replacing exca drill with garchomp

[noble hatch]

do note for knock off it doesnt get the power boost when hitting a mon holding a mega stone

since it cant get knocked off

[red willow]

Doesnt excadrill get the speed boost where chomp doesnt?

[dull ibex]

Yes

[red willow]

Hmmm

Idk if Id straight up replace it then

Speed control hella valuable

[dull ibex]

We have tailwind on the team

[red willow]

Ah igy

[stuck perch]

I don't know wen to use knock off tbh

[red willow]

On valuable items usually

It will go up in viability as we get life orb assault vest etc lol

[stuck perch]

Oh alright

[red willow]

Are any of the other .076% of mega blastoise players in here?

I want to optimize my spread and moveset but Im not too sure on the optimal numbers lol

[viscid garnet]

i miss assault vest

it messes with some of my team comp ideas

[red willow]

It also messes with poor arch he misses his suit

[viscid garnet]

yeahh

[red willow]

The somber realization that they will never put eviolite dusclops in game

Hes kinda a cool guy

[stuck perch]

https://www.threads.com/@duragdragon/post/DXIIOPVEnuD?xmt=AQF0OUH2OU_H0kV9_VuVU4NmbQd5JUDFf7DzgBPn5e6gLxLHh40pGS7rMR8Yk0EI5of7Y2XY&slof=1

[leaden fox]

Trying to think what mons and items they'll add into Champions either next season or the season after 🤔

My hopes are Indeedee, Galar starters for mons
then for items, AV, FO, TO, CC and CA

[spiral zealot]

i would think they wouldn't hold off too long on the rest of the Z-A megas

[leaden fox]

Yeah, that is true too

[spiral zealot]

especially if we're gonna move away from megas entirely back into a tera or dynamax format at some point

[leaden fox]

I'll be happy to see Metagross in soon

My favorite Psuedo-Legend

[spiral zealot]

like if i were to place a bet, i would think the next regulation would be the rest of the megas and maybe like 100-200 more non legendaries, including the missing starters
meaning terrain setters would be back in

[red willow]

Rillaboom supremecy episode 4: more rilla for the boom

[spiral zealot]

oh i guess "The rest of the megas" would have to include legendaries tho, huh? i might need to rethink my theory

[stuck perch]

https://tenor.com/view/staraptor-pokemon-shiny-gif-23133810

I need his mega

[knotty geyser]

https://pokepast.es/aacbb3840c1c783b

Trying my rain team again

[leaden fox]

So many people want his Mega xD

[stuck perch]

Close combat with Contrary 😮‍💨

[leaden fox]

IF it gets Contrary xP

Because the same "leak" said Drampa was getting Drizzle 💀

[stuck perch]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-hank-hill-gif-3722783

[stuck perch]

Didn't he lol

[leaden fox]

Nah, got Berserk

[stuck perch]

https://tenor.com/view/dol-huh-eyes-disgusted-gif-11690827820922534530

[leaden fox]

Best case scenario for Mega-Staraptor is: Contrary or Defiant

[wet light]

Defeatist

[leaden fox]

omg if it gets that xD

[stuck perch]

Wat do those two abilities do? Ik wat contrary does

[next dust]

Boost spatk when dropped by half hp

Beserk

[leaden fox]

Defiant gives you +2 Atk if you get a stat drop in any stat
Defeatist is half atk and speed if below 50% hp

[stuck perch]

Can't use beserk if it dies in one hit 😮‍💨

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

[next dust]

I prefer to let it get beserk then fake out cycle it to death at the cost of my win

[stuck perch]

Defiant sounds like the better choice

[leaden fox]

Agreed

[next dust]

Nothing funnier than three mons running fake out

[stuck perch]

Sound like a nightmare

Wen you keep tagging ya fake out mons out to do back to back fakeouts https://tenor.com/view/boogie-woogie-todo-aoi-todo-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-gif-20545984

[next dust]

I cooked up this hellishly annoying hot pile of garbage last night. No intentions on winning by anything other than rage quit forfeit

Fake outs flinches follow me helping hand inshallah we will make you very upset, win or lose

[stuck perch]

Your a monster 😂

[cerulean nacelle]

Tbh that's so accurate. Especially when you run a team with both incin and sneasler.

[stuck perch]

It's so toxic 🤣

[next dust]

Little ten year old Timmy tries ranked with his favorite team but I'm drunk as hell one leg out my pants screaming "THIS IS GOING TO BE A LEARNING EXPERIENCE MY CHILD GROW FROM THIS"

[cerulean nacelle]

So far all the teams I've been running tend to only have 1 fake out user.

Incin works well on bulky veil and is a good TR mon.

[next dust]

Fake out cycle repeat. Fake out cycle repeat. Follow me fake out for the memes rock slide flinch then protect stall. Repeat. It was a glorious night

[cerulean nacelle]

I respect the use of mega aerodactyl. Love that man.

[red willow]

Sinistcha so good

My boy out here tankin 2 neutral hits letting toise set up then switching out for peli like a champ

[cerulean nacelle]

Oh yeah sinistcha is goated.

[red willow]

My fat purple turtle demands tea and he will have it

[cerulean nacelle]

ah you have a diseased tortoise, a man of culture I see!

[red willow]

Honestly Im not sure shere the shiny stoise came from but Im glad I found it

Its set me down a path of righteous justice

[cerulean nacelle]

I wouldn't say justice... more like... H2O based genocide.

[red willow]

Mostly +2 water spout based justice but justice nontheless

[cerulean nacelle]

I still wouldn't say justice lol

[red willow]

Lmaooo

[cerulean nacelle]

But I use clangorous soul kommo-o which is fairly similar.

So i can't really talk.

[red willow]

Yeah I honestly think there are very few setup moves worth using this format

And shell smash and clangerous soul are a couple of em

Poor volcarona in the corner just wanting to quiver dance but dying at the sight of ttar:

[cerulean nacelle]

Or chomp... or excadrill... or aerodactyl...

yeah this ain't volcs format

[red willow]

Which is ridiculous because it has one of the highest bsts of any legal mon

The typing is just SO BAD rn

Unless power creep has gotten that bad

Lemme check

[cerulean nacelle]

We are seeing some calm mind users like calm mind drampa and mega floette.

[red willow]

Ehhhhhhhhhh if it works it works

But I personally cant see myself taking a turn off for +1

I guess it depends on whats on oppos field at the same time

[cerulean nacelle]

Nah it legit is just that rock slide spam is at an all time high and volcs not immediately useful enough as opposed to mons like sinistcha for rage powder or like so many fire types with much more powerful heatwaves.

[red willow]

If its free its free

[cerulean nacelle]

ddance ttar would like a word lol

Or d dance gyara lol take ur pick

[red willow]

Yeah Im saying if its free to set up I could see doing it on those mons

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm ngl calm mind drampa is kinda on the meme team with speed swap alakazam.

[stuck perch]

https://x.com/paintmakesart/status/2044201083812122765?s=46&t=KB4CVv355gDMDGNjhuVNuA

[chrome knot]

https://x.com/chefvgc/status/2044461631950753805?s=46&t=FIWgOpf0yRQcHBdRCEbKnw

chef / Ben (@chefVGC)

Pokemon Puzzle - Champions edition

The rules are simple - find the guaranteed win based on the situation and information below!

Make sure you include the full sequence required to win!

A little warm up puzzle here for the return of Megas…

X · Apr 15, 2026, 5:03 PM

[cerulean nacelle]

My brain wants to say protect the aerodactyl and rock slide with ttar

But it doesn't feel right lol

[stuck perch]

Double rock slide in one turn 😮‍💨

[chrome knot]

solar beam

[cerulean nacelle]

But they're under tailwind. It doesn't say we are.

If we are under tailwind then it's deffo double rock slide and hope to flinch venu.

[stuck perch]

Trick room helps too

[cerulean nacelle]

It isn't under TR.

[stuck perch]

Let's fucking goooooo!! I'm him

[cerulean nacelle]

🤣

[chrome knot]

yeah it does

[stuck perch]

It feels good to beat a huge power belly drum Azumarill

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-i-do-do-mark-henry-gif-14691967

[bold geode]

Emma do you know how stance change works

[chrome knot]

wym

in defence stance its 140s are moved to its defences

attack stance the 140s go to the attack stays

[bold geode]

Ok my main question is like

When it's going to the blade form, when exactly in the turn does it swap

[foggy lodge]

When it moves

Thats why Aegislash likes being slow

[chrome knot]

when it moves

[bold geode]

Ok so it waits to change

That's good ok

I can work with that

[foggy lodge]

Cuz it protects with priority and it moves last on the turn to blade form after the opponent attacks

[chrome knot]

like ability activates, then attacks immediately adter

like on its turn it changes

[bold geode]

Ok

Well I got TW and TR so MAYBE I don't know about that LOL

Can probably still make it work? Not sure

Actually y'know what the play could be

Just making it as slow as possible like via nature

Also when did
I know it had Will O Wisp at some point

Chat it never learned it LOL

[cerulean nacelle]

Ok so I just had one of the weirdest matches of my life lol

I set up trick room because I was against a basculegion and a pelipper.

This pelipper is slower than my sinistcha

That is some mad bulk into the peli

[stuck perch]

https://x.com/temp6t/status/2044457333070192871?s=46&t=KB4CVv355gDMDGNjhuVNuA

𝙩𝙚𝙢𝙥 🍵 (@temp6t)

If you're scrolling, please just stop and watch this battle.

▶ Play video

X · Apr 15, 2026, 4:46 PM

[wheat rapids]

changed/fixed up my team a bit, any thoughts? I guess its fine to have the 1 mega but I think some of the sets can change a bit, like idk if I should have wide guard over protect on aero

[cerulean nacelle]

Super fang over pop bomb on the maus

Pop bomb without wide lens is just an inconsistent and risky play since each move has a 10% chance to miss.

[wheat rapids]

kings rock gaming for the hailmary 40% flinch chance, but ya i gotchu

my 40% factors in misses unless gemini did the math wrong lol

i admit/recognize my team isn't the best possible team in the world because its not using the likes of incin or sneasler, so I have some rng baked in to hopefully steal SOME games from losing matchups (flinches, misses with chomp, etc)

[cerulean nacelle]

It's funny but in most cases it's inconsistent.

[wheat rapids]

if I wasn't already using focus sash I'd be more inclined to put it on the maus and use super fang, but ive yet to see another item for maus that can get as much value

[wheat rapids]

yeah its also a wasted move/item combo every turn i dont click it lol

outside of maus, any thoughts overall?

no ice moves feels bad

[cerulean nacelle]

I think the rest is overall pretty good.

[cerulean nacelle]

It's not the be all and end all

[foggy lodge]

Protect on Aerodactyl

[wheat rapids]

true but chomp is everywhere and it feels like I dont have much for him

[foggy lodge]

Aerodactyl needs to be able to not be doubled up turn 1 with fake out + another move

[wheat rapids]

over wideguard?

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[wheat rapids]

do i just cry and let rockslide end my career if I have him and zard out lol

or maybe thats what I bring aegi for

[foggy lodge]

I don't see the point of double wide guard here

[cerulean nacelle]

Dire claw into sleep lost me a match lol

[rare pumice]

did the champions channel get removed?

[pallid hare]

yes

[noble hatch]

no u just got banned from it

only cool kids are allowed there

[wheat rapids]

makes sense

[chrome knot]

ai math lmao

[wheat rapids]

i mean, is it wrong lol

im at work and wanted to know quickly 😂 kinda giving "calculator math" energy 💀

but if its wrong then sure

[cerulean nacelle]

Matcha gotcha is my favourite move.

Didn't need it but I burnt a mega kang

[wheat rapids]

the fact that its spread is kinda nuts

[cerulean nacelle]

Sinistcha is just the support goat. Bro healed my omni boosted kommo-o to victory.

[pearl wind]

this is so stupid, i love it

[mental mason]

https://pokepast.es/e3cb0040a85debf5

Hitting a ceiling with my current team and made a rain team. Usually go Pelipper/Archaludon/Basc/Mega-Floette as my basic 4 but will bring Sneasler into sun. Not sure how to use sinistcha well yet.

[wheat rapids]

have you tried meganium?

[wheat rapids]

still waiting

[mental mason]

Not yet.

[cerulean nacelle]

You can use it to heal your arch or to predict a CC into it and switch out to try and gain momentum.

But I'm ngl I don't think rain is a sinistcha kinda team.

[chrome knot]

for what exactly?

[pearl wind]

@spiral zealot hit 1900

[cerulean nacelle]

That's really good. I'm taking it slow atm. Though my team is typically doing well.

Only lost a 5 win streak because of dire claw landing a sleep on my froslass.

[spiral zealot]

daaaang congrats!!!
i haven't had a chance to play since i hit masters but i went in at like 1823 i think

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm at around 1850 I think?

[spiral zealot]

how much use are you getting from glimmora, @pearl wind? i feel like im getting more use out of basc and talonflame a lot of the time

[wheat rapids]

for you to reply to what I said!

i was assuming you knew it did the math wrong and knew the answer, otherwise your comment was as useful as going "lol you used a calculator"

so i gave you the benefit of the doubt that your comment wasn't useless x)

[spiral zealot]

i mean surely other regulations of comp acted like this as well
it takes time to feel out what works

[cerulean nacelle]

Ok wait I just made the craziest play lol.

I'm under trickroom

The opposing kingambit which is defiant +2 kowtowed my farigiraf but it lived because colbur.

The farigiraf sets up sunny day

My incin uses flare blitz under the sun to OHKO the kingambit.

Peak Cinema.

[pearl wind]

uuuh its hard to say really, it can do wonders vs some and absolutely fumble vs others LOL

i def dont rely on it being my main damage mon (which is a shame considering its stats and the mega), i usually rely on basc + deci and use glimm as a switch-in after flip turn

[wheat rapids]

I mean, makes sense. Usage doesn’t dictate everything anyways, what’s interesting to me is sorting the first tourney by win rate and picking out ones that have a much bigger sample size, aerodactyl I think is the highest winrate X games 👀

[spiral zealot]

ok thats kinda how i've felt as well
just wanted to triangulate

[stuck perch]

Nice

[pearl wind]

cute word
triangulate

[stuck perch]

The average win percentage with each mon wud nice to know also

[pearl wind]

but yeah my leads have been either giraf + basc or talon + basc/deci

i only brought glimm as a lead once

if it could tank at least one ground move i'd risk more with it but

[cerulean nacelle]

Glimm is Mr potential mon but also Mr I die to 1 ground move mon lmao

[pearl wind]

i do run wisp on talon to at least give glimm some play

and like to not die vs chomp regardless of glimm

[spiral zealot]

i feel like glimm is really good in the right matchups, it just doesnt have as many right matchups as other big name mons

[chrome knot]

more just ai chud boowomp

[stuck perch]

For me it's spiritomb + dragonite or either excadrill + Tyranitar

[pearl wind]

spiritomb

[stuck perch]

Can't be hit by fakeout

[cerulean nacelle]

If we are talking about all time fave leads, I don't think you can go wrong with froslass + incin ngl.

[dull ibex]

I have disdain in my heart for this game rn

[wheat rapids]

lmao low tier virtue signalling gg

[dull ibex]

maybe im just shit at the game

atp

[chrome knot]

honkshooo honkshooooo

[pearl wind]

yeah thats true, i feel like if you lower your expectation from carry mega to a balance-ish damage dealer it works fine into most teams

[cerulean nacelle]

I accidentally went Into ranked with my mega camerupt team

Managed to win against ttar drill with a mega meganium sneasler lead.

[pearl wind]

i also went with sucker > upper hand on decidueye since i have farig on my team

[cerulean nacelle]

Sunny day farigiraf is kinda goated.

[pearl wind]

i do wish i could run 5 moves on glimm tho, mortal spin is so cool

[cerulean nacelle]

What's ur current moveset and is this singles or doubles?

[wheat rapids]

jobless behaviour 🥱

[wheat rapids]

speaking of upper hand

did anyone see that turbopeak meme on reddit

[mental mason]

Trying out Rotom Wash over Sinistcha.

[chrome knot]

i legit jus clocked out of my job sorry girl

[pearl wind]

doubles, sludge bomb/power gem/earth power/spiky shield

[wheat rapids]

does anyone think replacing maus with competitive milotic would make my team better

[chrome knot]

ask chatgpt mayb

[wheat rapids]

good one

anyone who's helpful wanna answer lol

[chrome knot]

#real suggestion

butfr maus seems odd here since u have 9 nuclear bombs but milo rn is hard to check

would recommend trying

[wheat rapids]

go on

[chrome knot]

like besides scarf meowscarada & sinis or like venu there isn’t much grass damage

and sinis isn’t threatening to milo given ur team config with zard & ttar

[wheat rapids]

outside of archaludon is there any electric either

[chrome knot]

same goes for venu

[dense latch]

just realized this was said before but still, i dont think pop bomb maus is as strong anymore with the lack of wide lens and it not being technician, i think it'd be better to commit fully into support maus with a chople berry or something + super fang

[wheat rapids]

moveset for milo?

[chrome knot]

well u have 2 sets of weather so if played well you wont see a turn 1 electro shot

[dense latch]

and yea wide guard on aero is overkill

[chrome knot]

usually scald ice beam +1 & protecf

[wheat rapids]

yeah. kings rock is there for the hail mary memes to steal games lol

[chrome knot]

i think recover? is the 3rd move rn since no dozo in format

[wheat rapids]

that does give me the ice move i want 👀

item? grass berry for memes?

lowkey there's prob more grass than you said

[chrome knot]

leftovers or sitrus

[wheat rapids]

solar beams from zard and meganium

[dense latch]

i dont see what the charizard mode is here

[chrome knot]

alot of the team is anti synergy ngl

[dense latch]

like what is the sun doing for zard's allies

and what does the team do to check zard's weaknesses

[wheat rapids]

good stuff archetype 🤷‍♂️ mostly just. i dont feel the need to be predictable running venu alongside zard, and zard just hits very hard standalone

[wheat rapids]

set tailwind, wide guard, spam eq

im also biased to these mons since chomp, ttar, zard are like top 3-top 5 favs all time lol

[chrome knot]

venu is lowk what makes zard broken

you shut off alot of paths to the matchup that ur opponents can exploit

[wheat rapids]

i hit like top 10 on singles ladder of gen 9 ou using "off meta" favs so im not too miffed not following the cookie cutter standards

[wheat rapids]

ugly frog

[chrome knot]

ugly winning frog

[wheat rapids]

winning with ugly mons is the same as losing

otherwise id just slot incin

chopped ass cat 😭 🙏

[chrome knot]

oohhhh its the casual mindset

[wheat rapids]

fr tho mostly just saying like, yeah y'all's feedback is correct but there's reasons why im not going that route lol

[chrome knot]

hard to ask for team suggestions and take them on if its jus that unfortunately🫩

[wheat rapids]

literally said i hit top 7 on showdown ladder in (imo) a much sweatier format why do you always come out swinging 🤣

i mean. i just said im not running venu as a choice lol

its not like the milotic suggestion wasn't taken

[chrome knot]

and the reasoning was just unfortunate lmao

[wheat rapids]

zard venu is so so predictable tho

rather have things ppl dont know how to play against with their eyes closed

[chrome knot]

this doesn’t take away from the fact that if played well its hard to lose with them

[wheat rapids]

also

top 2 and 3 teams in previous tourney used zard and no venu

imo goes without saying its not a be all end all pairing

pretty significant data that backs me up 🤷‍♂️

[chrome knot]

zard venu just won the warmup cup

[wheat rapids]

im not saying it isnt strong. im saying it isnt necessary

but ya prob gonna sub in milotic

cool non ugly mon that i think i have as a beast ball shiny

my family of 3 beast ball shiny maus is a bigger flex but o well

[chrome knot]

raid origin?

[wheat rapids]

🤫

[chrome knot]

lmao!

[wheat rapids]

i did NOT farm that shit lmao

[chrome knot]

not really a flex thennn

[dense latch]

i'd take a page out of those teams' book bc there's actually some strong zard partners

[wheat rapids]

yeah i opted to use aero over whims

god knows i needed another rock slide on my team

[dense latch]

id just drop ttar tbh

[wheat rapids]

never.

[cerulean nacelle]

Aero is goated

[wheat rapids]

i need to run the calcs but in my head im 99% sure ttar heavy slams floette

[dense latch]

it's just really bad synergy with zard

[wheat rapids]

and if they click follow me ill just cry :)

[dense latch]

im not saying ttar is bad or anything lol maybe just not the team for it

[wheat rapids]

nah i hear you

very unlikely theyll be out at the same time ever

you should've seen the last iteration of my team

triple weather 😂

[wheat rapids]

damn is mega floette fat?

[wheat rapids]

mind linking me that actually

[winter fox]

I would replace Tyranitar with Whimsicott, since you don't need two weather setters. I hate to say this too but you're going to need Incin or Sneasler to have any type of stability. Your team looks like it could fall apart if one of your cores go down or doesn't lead. And replace Aegislash with Gambit or Wash Rotom.

[dense latch]

yea and that's the issue, you're handicapping your options in each game while the rewards arent as big

and you're compromising the strength of the zard mode when you're using the team

[spiral zealot]

https://nerd-of-now.github.io/NCP-VGC-Damage-Calculator/
^ here's the damage calculator

[dense latch]

chomp has no ability and there's not much coverage for zard's weaknesses

[wheat rapids]

thanks

[gentle crag]

tomb99 has given 1 Gen Rep to mothscales

[wheat rapids]

i mean yeah at that point just sort by usage and use the top 6 😅

[chrome knot]

mega goes up to 222lbs

[spiral zealot]

i think people are running mega floette at least semi bulky as well
at least based on my observations

[wheat rapids]

fuckkk i was not counting on that lol

[spiral zealot]

mega aggron heavy slam does OHKO 0 bulk mega floette

[winter fox]

Then why ask for the help 💀

[brisk crater]

I went from popping off being top 6k to falling to 1700 elo and throwing every game

[wheat rapids]

cause i wanna improve my team :) Ideally looking for more insight than "use incin and sneas", for obvious reasons (anyone can recommend that)

[wheat rapids]

how much bulk does she need to live?

[chrome knot]

ngl last time i made a floette spread it was 32hp & pretty high def

[spiral zealot]

yeah i was just saying it to compare mega aggron heavy slam to the mega tyranitar heavy slam which does not ohko

[cerulean nacelle]

No speed? 👀

[chrome knot]

was aero tw

[dense latch]

pretty common

most are like 32 hp 15ish def

[wheat rapids]

explain why im dumb and am getting a different calc than you please

[wheat rapids]

ok so a lot. still tho, damn

[spiral zealot]

i calced with Mega Tyranitar
you used normal style

[wheat rapids]

yikes so even worse lol

wow so if floette is bulky its a 3hko

wtf 💀

[spiral zealot]

i think tyranitar just isn't a good mega floette counter

which why would it be

[stuck perch]

https://youtu.be/9eGiiKunnBQ?si=In4XE0SJDJJJ9-No

[cerulean nacelle]

Oh fair enough.

[wheat rapids]

lets say i put ttar in the wood chipper, who would yall say is a good replacement?

@winter fox ik you said whims, but i feel like that might be a bit redudnant with aero; any other suggestions?

[chrome knot]

boring frog

[dense latch]

the best options are the "boring" options

[wheat rapids]

sigh

[winter fox]

No lol. That's all you get or play in singles and use whatever you want.

[wheat rapids]

my fault king

damn some of y'all not in good moods today 😅

[stuck perch]

Well damn

[winter fox]

Replace Aero with Whimsicott because Whimsicott is a better tailwind setter with prankster. And you can't have a Zard-Y team without Venu or someone with Trick Room to spam Eruption.

Alternatively you could use Scovillan instead of Venu because of its mega

[cerulean nacelle]

I wouldn't necessarily say better. Besides tailwind and encore, whims is a bit of a wet blanket mon.

Aero actually has some damage behind it.

[wheat rapids]

aero underrated

Are either of aegi or milotic bulky and slow enough to warrant a -speed nature to help in trick room?

[winter fox]

Why are you trying to run offensive Whimsicott 💀

[wheat rapids]

that's not what he said lol...

[winter fox]

Anyways, I came in here to ask what items do you use on Kangaskhan if you don't have its mega stone.

[dense latch]

silk scarf probably

though idt it's super worth it without it

i've seen some funny fake out last resort silk scarf scrappy stuff but thats abt it

[pearl wind]

@spiral zealot almost 1950 now

also fun sequence

[cerulean nacelle]

Not at all what I meant lol

[wheat rapids]

right 😂

[spiral zealot]

nice try kingambit

[cerulean nacelle]

I will steal this quote from someone I watched

Aerodactyl has the disadvantage of not being a prankster tailwind user.

But on the other hand, you get a real pokemon

[pearl wind]

also im telling you, sucker punch is the play!!!

[chrome knot]

what tf is this team

[foggy lodge]

Whimsicott is better at setting tailwind Aerodactyl is better at doing damage while setting tailwind

[chrome knot]

decidueye goin stupid vs rain

[spiral zealot]

me and amoransia are glimmora/decidueye ambassadors

[foggy lodge]

Its the same thing as Roaring Moon in SV for example where you wanted it for certain mons like shadow rider or Lunala

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah exactly.

[cerulean nacelle]

Honestly the lack of flying type moves besides maybe peli or aerodactyl does make this actually an ok format cor H-decidueye.

And you can just not bring it to a floette match up

[foggy lodge]

I miss Flamigo

[cerulean nacelle]

I never used flamigo in doubles.

[spiral zealot]

or is it?

[torpid hearth]

Lmao someone just ran out the clock. And pressed protect on the last turn

Can't knock it down

[chrome knot]

is the ladder climb tech for bo1 cts close your eyes and throw darts at mons till u get a 6

[pearl wind]

[torpid hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/mega-aggron-the-wall-gif-23706647

[pearl wind]

i also had to click aqua jet into gambit today

[torpid hearth]

Man instruct oranguru with a rockslide mon is annoying

[stuck perch]

Can I not check my win loss ratio in ranked?

[pearl wind]

nope

[stuck perch]

Well that sucks

[cerulean nacelle]

Have you ever heard the tragedy of instruct onto eruption torkoal?

[dull ibex]

Does anyone here play sand?

[cerulean nacelle]

I've dabbled in ttar drill

[dull ibex]

What do you lead

I need some go to leads

[torpid hearth]

Man the bots are so funny

Also no i have not heard this tale

[cerulean nacelle]

Depends. Weather is big but against some you can still just lead ttar drill.

But sneasler is a good mon to lead 99% of times.

[dull ibex]

Okay

[torpid hearth]

Damn 3 quick draw procs in a row

[cerulean nacelle]

When in doubt, sneasler or incin it out.

[torpid hearth]

God incin really just fits in everywhere

[cerulean nacelle]

Incin is that goated that people still bring him into rain match ups lol.

Because being able to intimidate basculegion cannot be underestimated ngl.

[chrome knot]

and then he flip turns out still hitting for 60% on incin

[next stump]

what sand team are you using

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/d75c5db84b98ab7b

[ripe grail]

Bruhhh I finally made it to 1900s

Was hard stuck at 1870s smh

Rock slide from aerodactyl always flinches for some strange reason

Most annoying thing ever

[cerulean nacelle]

Irrelevant. He is the intimidating one.

[ripe grail]

@cerulean nacelle hows ranked going man

[cerulean nacelle]

Very nice. I'm chilling at the 1850s. Not done a lot of ranked.

[ripe grail]

I think I'mma take a break for a bit

Am too tired

[cerulean nacelle]

I actually went into my last ranked match with the wrong team, I went in with my mega camerupt team

And still managed to win lol

[ripe grail]

Ahhh shiii

I went into one with the 4 mega evos 💀💀

I still manager to win

[ripe grail]

Lmao sameeee

[chrome knot]

need jank to play ladder, im using teams that are too honest and losing to scam

do u know any jank

[cerulean nacelle]

I'm ngl I've been hunting for a shiny male white stripe basculin and I've found 2 females. I'm just sadge.

[supple gulch]

Was the champions channel closed/merged with this?

I don't see it, not sure if my client bugged out

But anyway, was gonna ask - does Mega Sol weather ball (fire) get reduced power in rain?

Or does it just ignore rain entirely

[sudden remnant]

it acts as if its sunny so no

[supple gulch]

Cool thanks

[cerulean nacelle]

Yeah got aborted

We just have a comp discussion channel now

[supple gulch]

This makes sense

[indigo coral]

Run Perish Trap RainRoom, like me

[red willow]

Im at work spacing out thinking of swapping my 6th mon

Lmao

[red willow]

Is Mega Blastoise water spout cheese up your alley?

Been doin a heckin lotta dmg

[cyan smelt]

I figured out why people are running water pulse mega blastoise, it's because of mega launcher

[red willow]

Yeah im dumb lol

I just prefer aura pulse or ice beam for coverage

[cyan smelt]

I think it's a waste to run pulse moves when shell smash is right there

[wild stream]

you can't deal damage with shell smash

[jade dust]

What is the common Sneasler EVs?

[cyan smelt]

That's why sinistcha is a great partner

[jade dust]

Is it just max atk and spd?

I wanna know if I can train Floette to live a dire claw

[cyan smelt]

How about run it next to maus

[jade dust]

Floette?

[cyan smelt]

Yeah

Or sinistcha

[left bobcat]

Soda

[jade dust]

I have sinistcha yes

But I hate there is no counterplay around fake out besides protect

Or bringing Farig but it’s not always good in every team

I miss IndeedeeF to have both follow me and priority denial

[dull ibex]

I wonder if mega gengar fits on this team somehow?

[cerulean nacelle]

What team?

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/014bbc271a85b839

or mega garde 🤔

[brisk flume]

The best counter play to fake out is your own, faster fake out.
Bring mega Lopunny

Scrappy lets you fake out ghost types too

[jade dust]

What’s the name of the berry that reduces ice damage?

[daring jungle]

Yache

[jade dust]

Thanks

[daring jungle]

How does one get out of the extremely repetitive win-loss-win-loss cycle

Im stuck at ultra 1

[jade dust]

It’s mostly sneasler. I hate that piece of shit so much

[next stump]

my honest advice is to start really critically thinking about the game and analzying your gameplay

pokemon showdown is incredibly helpful for that

[dull ibex]

you never responded to my team btw LMAO

[next stump]

shit sorry

[dull ibex]

want me to send it again

[foggy lodge]

3-1 on this tournament thank you Aerodactyl

https://tenor.com/view/aerodactyl-pokémon-tongue-out-make-face-lick-gif-15161389

[cyan smelt]

is upper hand ever worth it

[next stump]

yes send again

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/f34f2efed86d2c2c

might replace sneasler with mega gardevoir

[cyan smelt]

should i run upper hand on sneasler?

[next stump]

i'm running a pretty similar team and it's been fun so far

[dull ibex]

what are your goto leads?

[next stump]

I think Corviknight + one of your physical attackers would be a good lead

Protects you from intimidate somewhat

[jade dust]

252 SpA Froslass-Mega Blizzard vs. 100 HP / 60 SpD Yache Berry Garchomp: 158-188 (80.6 - 95.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

I think I’ll use this Garchomp

[indigo coral]

Wtf happened, why is everyone suddenly playing around Perish Trap correctly

[rustic mountain]

cuz yall play it the same way

[indigo coral]

I don't is the problem, I'm playing the most cursed version of it possible

What content creator copied my team

[chrome knot]

https://x.com/kinurincipall/status/2044357988325249127?s=46&t=FIWgOpf0yRQcHBdRCEbKnw

キヌガワ | Umbra (@kinurincipall)

2200到達
この子たち強い...のか？

X · Apr 15, 2026, 10:11 AM

dying to see the ots

[rustic mountain]

saw that earlier

[jade dust]

I’m currently using sash

But feels like a waste of sash

[keen sigil]

Is anyone running a serperior team?

[chrome knot]

it looks so good lmfao

what does female basc do?

[jade dust]

Cuz Garchomp can take neutral hits well

[rustic mountain]

basically just m basc but special attacker instead

idk exactly why they chose it

[chrome knot]

like what does it click

[cyan smelt]

muddy water i'm guessing

[chrome knot]

ts ass

[cyan smelt]

it definitely doesn't seem as good

[daring jungle]

That ttar is out for vengeance

[stuck perch]

You did this against Tyranitar? 😭🤣

[stuck perch]

I lost earlier becuz it reduced my accuracy once the turn before I used rock slide

[cyan smelt]

imagine using upper hand on gambit

[daring jungle]

Nah. I see ttar, i try n nuke it with chloro venu leaf storm

[rustic mountain]

[chrome knot]

jobless…

[spark siren]

Inner Focus is very helpful against incineroars (immunity to intimidate and fake out)

[chrome knot]

what mon is this even about

[spark siren]

mega gallade

[ember jungle]

So I’ve heard Champion Rank has been unlocked. Do we know if anyone has reached this rank/what it gives, like a title or for pokemon a new ribbon?

[chrome knot]

player title & mon ribbons

[rustic mountain]

u get a title its top 300

[ember jungle]

Oof

[rustic mountain]

so if ur top 300 mball ur there

[chrome knot]

I need scammer team

[ember jungle]

Just the same master rank ribbon we have now, though?

[rustic mountain]

no

[cyan smelt]

Use female basc lol

[rustic mountain]

its separate

[ember jungle]

Well dang, that sucks because I’m never getting that high, lol

[rustic mountain]

champion tier is its own tier i shouldnt say top 300 mball its top 300 players on the ladder

[rustic mountain]

not w/ that attitude haha

[chrome knot]

that jon is ass

[ember jungle]

XD so basically we’ll probably see the same top 250, with like a rotating list at the bottom

[rustic mountain]

idk

[chrome knot]

waiting for lopunny team ots

[ember jungle]

I’m stupid, I forgot technically Home doesn’t register the Champions ribbons/titles anyway… I’m safe for now

[chrome knot]

id argue a ribbon master now ends with champs connectivity and viewing all the ribbons from there

including champion-tiered

and all the irl event ribbons that might come with trainer titles

[noble hatch]

yo anyone wanna do a private battle with me real quick so i can complete the mission for vp?

[stuck perch]

https://youtu.be/inL-C6M4Xf8?si=aOQS1CnF83mjh2ta

[chrome knot]

?

[stuck perch]

Palafin ain't that damn good lol

[spark siren]

jet punch priority plus insanse attack

[stuck perch]

Oh damn yeah I wondered why it hit so hard with that move even on neutral

[dull ibex]

Something about this team isn't working and I'm sure what and it's REALLY frustrating

[solid frigate]

Singles or Doubles?

Cuz I am not watching that while packing up my bags

[stuck perch]

All doubles

[solid frigate]

Doubles wise Palafin is having a competition with Mega starmie

Singles He’s slightly better

[stuck perch]

Yeah I heard Mega Starmie is cracked

[dense latch]

eh

[rustic mountain]

mball tier 2 now long way to go before champion tier

[dense latch]

starmie's a decent mega but not really near the best

[rustic mountain]

its painfully average i feel like.
oooo big damage isnt really enough i feel like

[dense latch]

how fast is it again

[rustic mountain]

120 right

[dense latch]

oh lmao this is still the za bst

[rustic mountain]

oh nvm my messages are delayed lol

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/321e34a23e31026e would you call this hyperoffense

[dense latch]

was that originally a scarf rotom

also no not really

[rustic mountain]

its speed is 120 still

[dense latch]

o yea i just found it interesting that it still had the 140 atk

that's a decent speed tier

[dull ibex]

can i make it hyper offense?

[dull ibex]

yeah in game its different

[rustic mountain]

so much threatens it haha

idk i just see it as like clip farm mon that prolly cant convert at a tour

[dense latch]

yea even at that speed the format is so hostile to it

[rustic mountain]

idk tho i thought mega delphox was meh nd it turns out it might b good

[dense latch]

it's fun

[rustic mountain]

also hits a way better speed tier tho

[dense latch]

my friend was trying encore on it over sub and he's been doing great

floette delphox aero seems strong rn

[rustic mountain]

im thinkin of maybe replacing incin on my current team for it, not sure if i want double mega or really need it but well see

[rustic mountain]

yep its on a floette team w/ aero that im considering it haha

[dense latch]

it's really hard for your opponent to cover for both a possible mega floette mode and a delphox mode

if the mu makes it unclear who'd come in ofc

[rustic mountain]

p much the idea, also can flex megas depending on mu like sand? ok prolly no delphox

also gta say, ive been loving chomp

[dense latch]

lmao i was just about to say that too

so fun

[rustic mountain]

yea im runnin the boring core rn haha

but im havin fun w/ em

[spiral zealot]

you know who hits both mega floette and mega delphox tho 😎

[dense latch]

welcome back bolt balance

[rustic mountain]

is it really tho hahah

[dense latch]

realistically the only things that stay are the cm mon and incin so idk lol

[dull ibex]

so theres no way to run sand hyper offense?

I can't figure it out if there is

[rustic mountain]

yea im not even running cm haha light of ruin

[dense latch]

oh damn

[stuck perch]

My goat dropped his first Pokemon champions YouTube video today 😮‍💨

[chrome knot]

gang ive beeb staring at this yeam wtf does roserade do

[rustic mountain]

i genuinely have no idea, the team confuses me

2200 tho gta b some kinda heat

[dense latch]

im supposed to play reg i to prep for the lima special event 😭 if it wasn't my first major i'd honestly refund

[rustic mountain]

that sucks

[dense latch]

it's the last sv major as far as im aware

so close yet so far

[rustic mountain]

but honestly, just lock in as best u can gna prolly b a smaller event cuz of champions interest, u can make a run and get a worlds invite

nah but fr, just go and prepare well and have fun dont put too much expectation on urself

oh btw, u still need those trade evos i got u

[dense latch]

kinda excited to meet some of the top latam players and hopefully get the chance to play one of them

[dense latch]

o shit that'd be huge ty

[gentle crag]

eriksp has given 1 Gen Rep to treeco.

[dense latch]

i just need to get switch online again bc my auto renewal got canceled 😭

[rustic mountain]

yeh i didnt forget, jus been a busy week for me, didnt even get a chance to play champions the last cppl nights

[dense latch]

i've only played seven champs games myself

[rustic mountain]

oh damn, yea i guess lmk wen u hav nso again

[dense latch]

ill do it in like 5 mins

[rustic mountain]

oh ive gotten a bunch under my belt so far, jus ramped down to nada recently, luckily able to get some games in tn hopefully can hit 1900s

aim for 2000s mball 1 after that

[dense latch]

best of luck 🫡

[foggy lodge]

I played a tournament today

[dense latch]

i've been so busy these past few weeks but hopefully i can squeeze in a few games during the weekend

[foggy lodge]

I lost against encore mega delphox ngl that thing cooked me i had to read every turn

[rustic mountain]

have a bit over 40 games 34 wins and i think 6 or 7 losses so far

really wish they showed both lol

[dense latch]

btw tree sent u a dm for the za trades

[viscid garnet]

https://pokepast.es/5140401dc03b9f56 i wanna use Pika, Meganium, Goodra and Umbreon somehow, i just didnt know the best partners to add to the other two slots, anyone have ideas?

[spiral zealot]

it sounds like you have the makings of a rain team

[foggy lodge]

thats a lot of really mid - bad mons idk how much we can help lol

[zinc edge]

Umbreon actually works better on a sun team

[bold geode]

Those Pokemon suck

[viscid garnet]

i know they suck gang

[bold geode]

There's nothing you can really do or cook when 2/3 of your team blows like that

[viscid garnet]

umbreon wasnt originally there

[foggy lodge]

put incin and sneasler as the last two you can't go wrong with those two ig

[viscid garnet]

i've used the other 3 together and they've cooked

i used ot have a rain team with pelipper and palafin

[bold geode]

Yeah sure ok I guess we're doing Incin and Sneasler fuck it

[viscid garnet]

incin sneasler is crazy