competitive_discussion

[cyan smelt]

oh btw delphox learns encore so never protect or set up in front of it

[lost sun]

just give it every move icl

ttar I mean

[cyan smelt]

true

ttar goated

[lost sun]

fr

using it on SD and every other match is a floette

[cyan smelt]

ttar, floette, mega charizard y hell

[lost sun]

kinda annoying without av

[molten oasis]

Learns doesn’t mean it’ll use it

I think nasty plot/calm mind phox is better

[cyan smelt]

true

mega floette hits like a truck

do you think i should run low kick instead of drain punch on mega kang for the ttars, gambits etc

drain punch has been underwhelming

[molten oasis]

Maybe

[cyan smelt]

i've been struggling with ttar

[red willow]

Maybe I am a shell smash gamer lol that was kinda funny

[cyan smelt]

low kick low key sounds good against incin and mega ttar and gambit

should i run 3 moves + protect on gambit, like iron head as the 3rd move?

might be good against aerodactyl and floette

[pearl wind]

who was using the m-glimmora + h-decidueye team here?

[cyan smelt]

it was chloe

[cyan smelt]

man these calcs are looking so good for mega ttar with the low kick kangaskhan

idk what evs they run

also i'm scared about farig next to mega zard y

[mighty stump]

just calc for max-max and if it kills you’ll never worry

Check for after -1 post Intim but you’re Parental Bond anw

[lilac summit]

Hi, I'm creating a team in Pokémon Champions. I'm unsure which other Pokémon to add and if any of the ones I've already included are unnecessary.

[mighty stump]

Doubles or Singles?

[lilac summit]

doubles

incineroar @ sitrus berry
Level: 50
Ability: intimidate
EVs: 0 HP / 0 Atk / 0 Def / 0 SpA / 0 SpD / 0 Spe
serious Nature
IVs: 31 HP / 31 Atk / 31 Def / 31 SpA / 31 SpD / 31 Spe

• fake out
• parting shot
• flare blitz
• darkest lariat

Aerodactyl @ aerodactylite
Level: 50
Ability: unnerve
EVs: 0 HP / 0 Atk / 0 Def / 0 SpA / 0 SpD / 0 Spe
serious Nature
IVs: 31 HP / 31 Atk / 31 Def / 31 SpA / 31 SpD / 31 Spe

• dual wingbeat
• tailwind
• rock slide
• protect

sinistcha @ leftovers
Level: 50
EVs: 0 HP / 0 Atk / 0 Def / 0 SpA / 0 SpD / 0 Spe
IVs: 31 HP / 31 Atk / 31 Def / 31 SpA / 31 SpD / 31 Spe

• trick room
• matcha gotcha
• rage powder
• life dew

Sneasler @ white herb
Level: 50
Ability: unburden
EVs: 0 HP / 0 Atk / 0 Def / 0 SpA / 0 SpD / 0 Spe
IVs: 31 HP / 31 Atk / 31 Def / 31 SpA / 31 SpD / 31 Spe

• close combat
• dire claw

[cyan smelt]

nerd of now doesn't have mega kang in there yet but it does high damage with scrappy so i assume it's a ohko

champions would go hard with an in-game damage calc

[mighty stump]

For future reference i’d use a paste but the movesets look fine

[mighty stump]

its on a drop-down under the Kanga in “Formes”

[cyan smelt]

ty tofu

[mighty stump]

I’d use Focus Sash mroe for Aerodactyl cuz imo the mega isn’t worth it

[waxen dock]

That looks like a scroll

[cyan smelt]

these damage calcs are looking promising for mega ttar

[lilac summit]

Pokepaste?

@mighty stump what pokemon I should add?

[mighty stump]

Honestly I’d probably just close out the set with something to deal with Garchomp

Zard also is so self-sufficient you can always slap it on there

I’d say Kingambit but you’d definitely have to be wary of Garchomp

[cyan smelt]

i have no idea if its's even worth running throat chop on gliscor

[lilac summit]

Charizard?

[mighty stump]

Zard Y

[lilac summit]

i was planning to use mega aerodactil

[cyan smelt]

should i run rock slide on sneasler instead of coaching?

[mighty stump]

You can have 2 megas.

[mighty stump]

If you’re really concerned abt Zard Y i wouldn’t see why not

I’m mixed abt Coaching

[cyan smelt]

Dire claw + sucker punch feels bad

[next stump]

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If the game has a ladder, suica is getting first

[oak geode]

Hey, wanted to ask what's a good pokemon to add to my Mega Froslass team to counter Zard Y?

[next stump]

scarf garchomp is an option

[oak geode]

I am using scarf on my Basculegion, might need to switch them then

Focus on Bascu, Scarf on Garchomp

[next stump]

I would run that combination rather than Sash or another item on Garchomp

[sudden remnant]

yall im running this cancer ass team and this shit is WORKING

[cyan smelt]

What hilarious team are you running

[sudden remnant]

its not funny its straight cancer

quick claw quick draw g-slowbro is quite reliable

[cyan smelt]

Hydrapple goated lmao

[sudden remnant]

i love hydrapple ofc he was gonna make the team

that’s actually my hydrapple from my sv dlc playthrough

[cyan smelt]

Why no psychic move on glowbro for sneasler?

[sudden remnant]

no space

[cyan smelt]

Ig hatterene is the nuke

[sudden remnant]

yeah

hatterene and hydrapple are the carries

[cyan smelt]

What do u do against basc

[sudden remnant]

i didnt know what other move to give the giraffe that why it has hyper beam

[sudden remnant]

mimikyu crying in a corner

[cyan smelt]

Sd shadow sneak right

[sudden remnant]

+2 shadow sneak SMACKS

[cyan smelt]

What about mega ttar

[sudden remnant]

mimikyu again crying in a corner

[cyan smelt]

Does sandstorm break disguise

[sudden remnant]

no

neither does burn or poison

[cyan smelt]

Goodbye sand

Do u struggle with corv or chomp

[sudden remnant]

garchomp? whos that guy? my hatterene has no idea

[cyan smelt]

Lol

[sudden remnant]

and for corviknight thats why gslowbro has ft

[cyan smelt]

Oh i didn't see that

[sudden remnant]

its for corviknight gambit and basically any other steel type

except archaludon which dies to hatterene anyways despite it being neutral

[cyan smelt]

Arch without vest is a lot less scary

[sudden remnant]

arch without vest is a rusted bridge

[cyan smelt]

Washed

[sudden remnant]

also even if hatterene cant kill the bridge sd drain punch mimikyu sure as hell can

[cyan smelt]

Goodbye delphox

[sudden remnant]

delphox dies to shadow sneak lmao

squishy fox

[cyan smelt]

How bout incin

[sudden remnant]

people sleep on mimikyu but its genuinely strong

[sudden remnant]

just absolutely nuked one with hydro pump from hydrapple

and it cant fake me out cuz i have the giraffe AND psychic terrain

[cyan smelt]

I want to use spiritomb now

[wild knot]

okay, i didnt expect justified beat up to show up in comp.
(they forfiet cause i burnt lucario as last two mons)

[sudden remnant]

supersweet syrup is a busted ability

[cyan smelt]

That's the evasion right

[sudden remnant]

yeah

absolutely busted

pretty sure it makes hydro pump 100% accurate

[cyan smelt]

How did u come up with this team

[sudden remnant]

i got a gslowbro from the recruit

and already had all the other tools to make it work

i wanna add mega drampa but idk who to swap and what to even do with it

[lilac summit]

@mighty stump https://ibb.co/6cyJJ17B

[wild knot]

uh

[sudden remnant]

focus miss zard is so troll

[lilac summit]

if you can see my team and corrected I will apreciate

[cyan smelt]

I wonder if i can make something with glowking

[wild knot]

its focus miss or hit

[wild knot]

chilly reception is funny

[sudden remnant]

kalos who should i seap out for mega drampa

[lilac summit]

Is it really that risky?

[sudden remnant]

there are other moves youd rather have im sure

[cyan smelt]

I have no idea who you would swap

[lilac summit]

what I can put? dragon pulse and protection?

[sudden remnant]

protect solar beam heat wave and weather ball is my suggestion

[lilac summit]

ok

[sudden remnant]

heat wave for spread damage weather ball for single target

weather ball is also good for weather wars for coverage if you need it

[lilac summit]

and the rest of the team?

[sudden remnant]

life dew is fine

aero without mega is still good

[lilac summit]

I'm not sure if the Dragonite Mega Evolution is worth it, or if I should just give it an item instead.

[sudden remnant]

i really gotta re-ev hatterene a bit i wanna live that flash canon

[lilac summit]

how i can calculate if aerodactil one hits most used pokemon like Incineroar, Charizard, Whimsicott, Sneasler, Pelipper, Dragonite?

[cyan smelt]

I wonder if i should use spiritomb and panpour

I mean simipour

[sudden remnant]

i was just about to say lmao

[noble hatch]

still not good though

[cyan smelt]

It gets fake out and i want achievements

[sudden remnant]

🧐

[noble hatch]

any reason youd want to use it over another fake out user?

[sudden remnant]

can you suggest someone to swap for mega drampa

[noble hatch]

idk if mega drampa would be best for that team tbh

[sudden remnant]

i want it

[noble hatch]

he really likes being paired with sinistcha tbh

[sudden remnant]

we have sinistcha at home

sinistcha at home:

https://tenor.com/view/hatterene-pokemon-scream-battle-cry-gif-25477121

[cyan smelt]

How about spiritomb and heliolisk to start

[noble hatch]

probably slowbro then

or the umbreon

[cyan smelt]

Actually ykw i want to try to make hisuian decidueye work

[lilac summit]

@sudden remnant that would be the team https://ibb.co/d4WFX1DC

[cyan smelt]

Archaludon on sun is no good, try venusaur

[sudden remnant]

try leafeon 😁

clorophyll solar blade

[cyan smelt]

Mmm yes sneasler food

[sudden remnant]

yeah yeah whatever

sneasler this sneasler that

its fun and its niche

[cyan smelt]

I think i'm gonna try and get my team working decently but idk if throat chop gliscor is it, mega garde is faster but sylveon, farig and prim are all slower

And zoroark is faster too

But incin is slower so that stops it from pivoting

[sudden remnant]

bro kalos i won without trick room lmao

[cyan smelt]

How

[sudden remnant]

it was one of those hawlucha entrainment teams

[cyan smelt]

Yuck

[sudden remnant]

kills the hawlucha turn 1 with mimikyu play rough

it did guillotine my farig before i could tr

but i won anyways

[cyan smelt]

How did mimikyu outspeed

[sudden remnant]

it didnt

[cyan smelt]

Ohhhh i see

And what else was in the team

[sudden remnant]

and then they made a mistake by double protecting excadrill kingambit and i got a free SD off

and then shadow sneak took out excadrill and hydro pump killed kingambit

[cyan smelt]

I'm scared of guillotine because that can kill gliscor

[sudden remnant]

then shadow sneak did like 60% to sneasler and fickle beam ended it

[cyan smelt]

Is guillotine normal type

[sudden remnant]

uh

[sudden remnant]

yes

wtf is this team

[cyan smelt]

Ok cool if i see gambit and excadrill i assume they both have guillotine so i send in skeledirge

Psyspam

[oak geode]

Small question, what are some good partners for Mega Froslass? I'm using a team off youtube, Wolfey's team. Don't know if its really standard, so wanna try some more pokemon out.

[sudden remnant]

if wolfey says its good it must be true

[oak geode]

I'm sure it is, and currently undefeated in Ranked, but I wanna try out more options since I don't really feel great just copying someone else's team

I feel like once I get passed great ball is when I face people with an actual IQ

[wild knot]

I faced a guy who tried to use justified beat up at great 2 when they only had 2 pokemon left…

[cyan smelt]

Bots?

[wild knot]

They forfiet when i burnt lucario with will o wisp

i think they wanted to sweep with basc but they couldnt set up rain again cause rotom fainted pelipper and i switch to A9 for snow

[sudden remnant]

my opponent kept removing my tr and i still won

chat have i actually become good at this game

[mighty stump]

Depends on performance consistency, really

But confidence is generally good

[cyan smelt]

I feel like i've suddenly become good at randbats, but still not good at vgc

But at least i'm analysing my team's weaknesses now

[sudden remnant]

god umbreon is so fucking good

[cyan smelt]

Ykw who i want to use, salazzle

[sudden remnant]

so use it

[cyan smelt]

Idk what it does

[sudden remnant]

OOOOOOH A MEGA SKARMORY GUY

LMAO I BURNED IT IMMEDIATELY

[mighty stump]

Fake Out Overheat ig

[sudden remnant]

poidon steel types

[cyan smelt]

Ok you know what i see salazzle has, corrosive gas, might be nice to get rid of scarfs

Why do i always look for the meme stuff lol

[sudden remnant]

poltergeist aegislash

mega skarmory

what is this guy cooking

[cyan smelt]

He burnt down the kitchen

[sudden remnant]

i gotta swap syrup bomb

lowering their speed is risky for this team

they burned my special attacking hydrapple

😭

[cyan smelt]

You do not want to use that on gambit

[sudden remnant]

i wouldnt wanna use a grass move on it anyways

chill with the gambit talk

[cyan smelt]

I don't think corrosive gas is worth it since it doesn't remove mega stones

[sudden remnant]

nothing does bruh

[cyan smelt]

Ik

Salazzle kinda ass

[sudden remnant]

you’re kinda ass 🙁

[cyan smelt]

Idk i keep failing using niche picks

[noble hatch]

salazzle has a niche use actually

[sudden remnant]

it poisons steel types which is really good

[noble hatch]

cant remember what it is outside of it being access to fake out + something else

[sudden remnant]

and other poison types

[noble hatch]

on top of being able to poison steel types

[wild knot]

i saw a clip of someone running sub, toxic, encore, disable salazzle in singles

[cyan smelt]

I'm no jamie boyt

[sudden remnant]

keyword there was singles

[noble hatch]

oh yeah it also gets access to dragon cheer

which can be funny

[wild knot]

it was funny though

[cyan smelt]

i feel like most people are using aerodactyl now

[sudden remnant]

every team ive seen is zard venusaur incin aerodactyl sneasler + 1 usually farig

[tawdry urchin]

I need Incin for my trick room room, other than parting shot and fake out what other 2 moves and stat points do I give it?

[cyan smelt]

yeah idk how to beat this

[sudden remnant]

flare blitz throat chop

[sudden remnant]

me neither this loss streak is absurd

[tawdry urchin]

Why throat chop?

[sudden remnant]

cuz you dont have knock off anymore

[tawdry urchin]

Why not darkest lariat?

[sudden remnant]

cuz throat chop stops hyper voice and perish song

which are really popular rn

[tawdry urchin]

Alright, and for the stat points?

[sudden remnant]

idk

[tawdry urchin]

I'll just do max attack and half of Def and sp Def. Tysm

[cyan smelt]

i feel like i'm playing better in randbats, should i hop on showdown ladder

maybe my play will be better in vgc

[cyan smelt]

ok I think I like low kick, it does big damage

and iron head destroys fairies

i think iron head will be good for sneasler too

and at least does neutral into prim

ykw mamo would be fun to use i think

[tawdry urchin]

Incin is too slow. Gengar sets it up before anything else

[sudden remnant]

so play knowing that

[tawdry urchin]

Bruh 😭

[sudden remnant]

im so serious

[tawdry urchin]

Does throat chin Incin at least 1 shot mega gengar?

[sudden remnant]

i dont use cringe cat idk

[tawdry urchin]

😭

[cyan smelt]

most perish trap teams have incin and they have protect

also what evs does orthworm have on those chomp orthworm sand teams

i'd assume max hp max def right

[split stone]

I'm never gonna reach master rank

[noble hatch]

not with that attitude

[split stone]

But I'm not I'm terrible at competitive

[noble hatch]

right now yeah

but like with anything all you need is practice

[bronze quarry]

Is Mega Floette good in tailwind teams?

[cyan smelt]

it's just good in any team but especially good with aerodactyl

[sudden remnant]

mega floette is the devil incarnate istg

[cyan smelt]

i thought you had glowbro

[sudden remnant]

i do

but if they remove my bro its just cooked

[cyan smelt]

vex check this out https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2582379078-i5kqlv1ews2uq3fpa2a4tqh7474mmtkpw

proud of my reads here

[sudden remnant]

crystal kitty is a peak username btw

[cyan smelt]

i really feel like randbats is helping me

ty that's my dj name as well

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-new-jeans-hanni-oh-my-oh-my-god-ditto-gif-27515218

[cyan smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/underscores-do-it-music-gif-12680572467725739925

[sudden remnant]

im swapping through teams i got to ultra 2 and hit a fuckin wall 😭

[cyan smelt]

i'm refining my team until i get good results on showdown

btw pasrs 7 is out if you want to use it

[sudden remnant]

i cant drop below ultra 4 so i got nothing to lose just practicing in game

[cyan smelt]

what are you struggling the most with

[sudden remnant]

zard venus incin sneasler farig + flex could be aero could be basc could be ttar

the core is so hard to deal with

[cyan smelt]

that is crazy

[bronze quarry]

It’s so cute tho

One of my faves since X & Y

[sudden remnant]

its cuteness is a facade

its a straight demon

[cyan smelt]

that thing is pure evil

[bronze quarry]

lol I’m glad the Florges line is getting some use

One of my faves

[cyan smelt]

because of it i added iron head to gambit

well it and aerodactyl

[bronze quarry]

Damn

[sudden remnant]

florges was used by one of the gym leaders in sv

[bronze quarry]

I meant in comp

I want to use gard in a tailwind comp trick room is getting stale and her nat speed is too high anyways 😭

I need to watch a tailwind guide or smth im not experienced with speed teams

[cyan smelt]

i'm sure there's teams out there in the repository that use gardevoir

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-ross-geller-david-schwimmer-tv-series-american-sitcom-gif-17315839

i use garde

[bronze quarry]

Idk where said repository is so I just have to doom scroll

[sudden remnant]

CAN THIS GUY JUST GIVE UP WORH THE TR ALREADY IVE DISABLED IT 6 TIMES

[bronze quarry]

Oh what kind of team?

[cyan smelt]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1axlwmzPA49rYkqXh7zHvAtSP-TKbM0ijGYBPRflLSWw/edit?gid=736919171#gid=736919171

there's a sun team with garde

[bronze quarry]

I clicked on champions and it just refreshes the page

[cyan smelt]

you clicked on champions m-a?

[bronze quarry]

Yes

[cyan smelt]

strange, could you try a different browser?

[bronze quarry]

Oh god

[cyan smelt]

how worried do i have to be about paldean tauros water

or blaze

[sudden remnant]

now why is everyone using the fucking dolphin

just let me play the game 😭

this guy has aerodactyl palafin and DITTO

[cyan smelt]

seems like overkill

[sudden remnant]

And i have yet to see the 4th they brought

last one was sinistcha

OMG I WON

GET OUTPLAYED

[cyan smelt]

how did u win

[sudden remnant]

lets just say tinkaton lopunny garde infernape is a very good team

[cyan smelt]

seems like intimidate bait

[sudden remnant]

it is

show me the cat i dare you

garde has aura sphere and vacuum wave

show me that fucking cat

[cyan smelt]

damn

[sudden remnant]

oh and lopunny has hjk so assuming it lands the cat should die anyways

[cyan smelt]

does a -1 kill

[sudden remnant]

it does enough damage for vacuum wave to kill

it actually does enough for hyper voice to kill

and also lopunny is faster than incin so i can fake out the fake out before it can fake out and get free damage on it

this guy thought he was cooking with incin farig sinistcha and belly drum snorlax

i showed him he was in fact not

[wild knot]

https://vxtwitter.com/theyisusone/status/2043690704266784837

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Oh so Skarmory can just one-shot Froslass in snow ok

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[mental mason]

Ended up in the 7,000's for the warm up competition. But considering I only played 20 matches, pretty happy with the result.

[cyan smelt]

low kick mega kang absolutely cooks mega ttar

[sudden remnant]

bro my mega lopunny survived a kang low kick from 50% down to 3%

lopunny surviving won me
the game

[cyan smelt]

tanky

also throat chop cripples incin

[sudden remnant]

no just lopunny weighs like nothing

so low kick is weak against her

[cyan smelt]

low kick just obliterates mega ttar though, that's why i put it on kang

[sudden remnant]

im considering focusing my team around mega lopunny exclusively instead of having 2 megas

cuz ive run into a LOT of ghost types and had to mega lopunny to hit then and then garde doesnt have an item anymore

i also wanna add a meowstic male to support said lopunny

[cyan smelt]

vex check this out https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2582428337-9fycefw05389509mktnd97ase4euc1opw

[sudden remnant]

why sucker punch spam at the start

why not iron head or smthn into the fossil

[cyan smelt]

idk i'm tired and really should have led gliscor kang

[sudden remnant]

also what the land bat doing

[cyan smelt]

tailwinding for me

[sudden remnant]

and what the crocodile doing

[cyan smelt]

yawning for me and it disrupts their momentum

[sudden remnant]

so its the same as my moon cat

[cyan smelt]

exactly

[sudden remnant]

there to force switches and cuz i want it there

[cyan smelt]

yawns their main threats

[sudden remnant]

i just wish mental herb was int he game

encore is really popular rn

[cyan smelt]

damn whims

[sudden remnant]

not just whim either

[cyan smelt]

maushold, a9

[sudden remnant]

one of my games i led mimikyu farig and ally switched and they taunted the farig slot and ended up taunting the mimikyu instead and thank god i didnt click sd and just went for damage

[cyan smelt]

what taunted

also i think i'm still struggling against rain and snow

[sudden remnant]

maushold

it was maushold kingambit vs my farig mimikyu

[cyan smelt]

did u drain punch the gambit

[sudden remnant]

yes

[cyan smelt]

get rekt gambit

[sudden remnant]

it only does about 64%

but it guaranteed 2hko which is good

[cyan smelt]

wait what i just saw mental herb on a showdown match

[sudden remnant]

[cyan smelt]

that can't be right

[sudden remnant]

no it cant

[cyan smelt]

do i play more vgc or go to bed

[sudden remnant]

eepy time

[cyan smelt]

one more randbat before bed

I've gotta do better against perish song, i hate that damn toad

[red willow]

Wait I just realized why people are using funky moves on mega blastoise it has a weird ability lmao

Mega clauncher

[next dust]

I have literally cooked straight buns to see how a few different leads feel and haven't lost am I mf nuts? Why is this working so well

[whole ibex]

Why not Garchomp over Tyrantrum?

[next dust]

Because head smash hits like a truck and there is no drawback

Wanted to see how viable I could make him as a coverage Mon in tailwind

I only threw this together to test leads with maus,typhlosion maus,Lucario Aegislash,tyrantrum Aegislash, Lucario

[wild stream]

I have good memories of twind tyrantrum

[next dust]

M. Lucario with wide guard support was being tested as my possible answer to spread spam m. Floette

[shadow wind]

You should run beat up on Maus for justified Lucario cheese

Maybe not “should” but you could

[dull ibex]

What's the best rain team rn

I'm open to balance finally if that's the answer

[mighty stump]

Mine clearly

Kekw

[dull ibex]

Maybe I'm just looking at balance wrong which is why I'm so afraid of piloting itn

[mighty stump]

It has Single target moves though

[dull ibex]

I think we've heard this convo before?

[mighty stump]

I think I aged and have become less strict

[dull ibex]

Well what's your rain team

[dull ibex]

I stand by I'm an aggressive player and need to play aggressive leaning teams

[mighty stump]

^

[dull ibex]

But if I stay scared of defensive plays I'll never grow

Oh that's not a bad team

Too bad I can't copy it kek

[mighty stump]

It’s more aggro than what I usually run but yeah

[dull ibex]

What do you think of this tofu

[mighty stump]

I really think Dnite is depressing damage output wise

[dull ibex]

It's not just me?

[mighty stump]

Nope

[dull ibex]

What do you think the best rain sweeper is dnite arch or starmie

[mighty stump]

Arch no contest

People just use Arch wrong nowadays

And complain about no BPress

[dull ibex]

I do find myself missing arch

[rustic mountain]

dnite has impressed me in other areas, mostly bulk but the damage is rough which like usually u want ur mega providing

[tawdry urchin]

I just had the greatest matchup aot agaist zard Y, read the guy like a book XD

[dull ibex]

How are you supposed to use arch now then

[mighty stump]

Sturdy + Damage item or Stalwart Sash - either way max max spe spa modest/timid

[dull ibex]

Oh neat

[rustic mountain]

agree w/ tofu, the stamina stuff w/o no body press tera or av its like why

[dull ibex]

Maybe monke is right and r/vgc dulls out shoddy advice

[rustic mountain]

ur not sustaining enough to benefit off it

[mighty stump]

Free yourself from the chains that bind fundamental advice…

After you learn about the game

[rustic mountain]

r/ vgc gives out terrible advice monke is right

[mighty stump]

Its a new meta, new format, and new limitstions

[dull ibex]

Are you in that discord too?

[mighty stump]

Think about what actually works

[rustic mountain]

i thought u were just talkin about the reddit for vgc, idk bout the discord but a lot of ppl giving insanely bad takes

[mighty stump]

Knowledge without wisdom is pointless broskis

[rustic mountain]

but yea its more the quality of advice ur getting not quantity, tofus right u have to think about wat it is ur doin, why ur doing it etc

[mighty stump]

You know Arch is good buff strong - but now you’re applying it where it had none of the tools to actually be that

[dull ibex]

I don't use the reddit personally I'm in a few different vgc discord

Fair enough also

[mighty stump]

https://x.com/mihono_suica/status/2042505803312304401?s=46&t=NSIK9f9OViHUJnm37QZcEQ

すいか (@mihono_suica)

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X · Apr 10, 2026, 7:31 AM

[rustic mountain]

its just like asking advice your only getting a stockpile of info from other ppl who may or may not have it right, its knowing how to apply it and generally its better for u to figure that out urself tbh and have a few ppl u trust that u work on a team w/ or w/e

[dull ibex]

I use jojis version

[dull ibex]

Fair

[mighty stump]

I think people either don’t bother learning the game and think they know what works without understanding or just fail to actually extend their understanding

anyhow

[rustic mountain]

otherwise its like yea lemme get takes from xyz and they were all different and now wat. ur own discernment is wats gna win u games and have u improve. u cant at every stop b like wats wrong here, atleast imo

[mighty stump]

ya

You don’t have to take my advice - I just relay what I found is most consistent for me and to those who seem to listen to me

[tawdry urchin]

Why do people still use fraud-chomp?

[mighty stump]

Because it’s an actually good Pokemon if you believably review the metagame and it’s required answers/approaches

Anecdotes do not trump usage stats and metagame

[rustic mountain]

well u have good advice generally, im speaking more for ppl in general who like u mentioned think they know but dont which spreads like wildfire

[mighty stump]

Like a lot of things are weak to Ground and it resists/outspeeds Zard Y

Like why not

[tawdry urchin]

Quad weak to ice, some berry ain't save it from my crabomable 💔 ✌️

[rustic mountain]

yea chomp is good

[whole ibex]

Hi Tofu

[rustic mountain]

good thing vgc isnt a vaccum

[mighty stump]

This isn’t Singles either …

[whole ibex]

Quad weakness ≠ bad

[rustic mountain]

imagine bein like oh man sneaslers everywhere ttar sucks

[tawdry urchin]

?

[mighty stump]

Kingambit sucks its quad weak to fighting

Meanwhile:

[dull ibex]

I might go back to my original team

[mighty stump]

ZARD Y SUCKS ITS QUAD WEAK TO ROCK

[whole ibex]

lol

[dull ibex]

I do still think I find myself not bringing incin

[mighty stump]

Then run sth else

[foggy lodge]

zard y will never be good guys accept it

[tawdry urchin]

Gambit does suck lmao, I hard counter it

[dull ibex]

I'm thinking about

I'm just not sure wut

[tawdry urchin]

same with zard Y

[foggy lodge]

Non of the megas are good because they have weaknesses eelektross is the best Pokémon ever

[whole ibex]

What’s your team?

[rustic mountain]

ur describing a scenario that exists in a vaccum, whereas the game we play isnt boiled down to one simplified board state so its not really relevant to the mons strength and ignores surrounding context of partners, defensive play, speed control etc

[mighty stump]

Dude what’s with Champions and suddenly having a bunch of braggadocios recently

[whole ibex]

lol

[dull ibex]

Oh hi 1uk3

[tawdry urchin]

https://giphy.com/gifs/who-is-this-he-she-ah33NGwdLWGAJEtpnF

[dull ibex]

Still think perish is easy?

[mighty stump]

You know what is great though

606k players

VGC boom

[rustic mountain]

nice

[mighty stump]

And at least 10 of them are open to discussion

[dull ibex]

Here's the og team

[mighty stump]

Maybe even 11

[tawdry urchin]

I've beaten it twice in a row and plus I'm not running it

[rustic mountain]

dont push it

[dull ibex]

I've lost to it and beaten it easily

[mighty stump]

I think you need Jet on Starmie cause of Kingambit pressure if you’re not in FO position

Ngl thanks to @foggy lodge I am no longer a Scarflegion believer

[gentle crag]

woodtofu has given 1 Gen Rep to maxihd

[dull ibex]

Will add it

[rustic mountain]

as in ur running it different or not at all

[mighty stump]

Running diff item

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-legends-arceus-pokemon-the-pokemon-company-nintendo-an-antique-gif-25074890

[mighty stump]

Also

In this lower power format

[rustic mountain]

i think scarf basc is good

[mighty stump]

Yall need to take more advantage of damage boosting items

[dull ibex]

What do you think about dropping protect for wide guard tofu?

[mighty stump]

The 1.2x stuff

[mighty stump]

Wide Guard comes up so little cause you already autowin Zard if you have rain

They run at least 2 fire moves and Protect so like

[dull ibex]

And what about chomp?

[whole ibex]

Cool I been testing a dual weather team with Zard Y and Ttar. I might make some adjustments myself.

[rustic mountain]

mystic water basc in rain is almost an auto delete on anything

[red willow]

So with m blastoise shell smash core I should lead it with scarfed up peli for rain plus tw or sinistcha for fake out redirection probably right?

[mighty stump]

What about it - you either outspeed or KO with correct Archaludon

[mighty stump]

Maybe consider Maushold/Sinistcha + Farigiraf if you’re gonna invest all your eggs

[red willow]

Im just trying to cheese with water spout bruv

[mighty stump]

Scarf Peli + TW as inspired as it is doesn’t sound like the right fit because you only need one Water Spout and one Shell Smash

[rustic mountain]

hence the all in then

[dull ibex]

What moveset on arch do you run

[mighty stump]

and you should be more focused on protectio

[mighty stump]

Same moves

ah well

might as well send it

hold on

[red willow]

I respect the vision of the original team I saw

think it was m blastoise peli sinistcha sneasler garchomp and gambit

that way you have decent mons outside of cheese to clean up if water spout cheese goes south lol

[mighty stump]

If only original meant good; I wouldn’t trust a set-up core without at least Follow Me - + Maushold gets Feint

[foggy lodge]

Feint can't hit ghost types right

[mighty stump]

Nope

[foggy lodge]

The only mon i remember using feint was Flamigo and I didn't know if it was because of the move or the ability lol

[mighty stump]

But its like Prio 2 or 3

[mighty stump]

2

which is sick

and plus free cleanup on Sash mons

or breaks sash

[foggy lodge]

Yeah faster than follow me and rage powder

[mighty stump]

yur

[foggy lodge]

I think feint sneasler with zard y has potential

[mighty stump]

Honestly credits to @foggy lodge this team wasn’t realised without his theory

[foggy lodge]

wujuu thanks

[mighty stump]

credits to my girlfriend for the basculegion

i love her very much

[rustic mountain]

u dont own pla?

[mighty stump]

I do

I have no idea where my Basc is

[rustic mountain]

oh lol

[mighty stump]

Lmfao

Like 0 clue

[whole ibex]

https://pokepast.es/87e2c3705b587c13

I still trying to figure out if I want either Incin, Snealser, Masu or Basc they all seem really good on this team. I have been considering forgoing Ttar and stick to a sun mode.

[rustic mountain]

ooo sash basc

[mighty stump]

Honestly I am a fan of Ttar Sun

[rustic mountain]

really?

[mighty stump]

I played against it and thought it was interesting

I think multi-weather teams have always been underexplored

[rustic mountain]

i guess if itd work in a format itd b this one

[whole ibex]

Yeah that’s why I been trying it plus this team has ALOT of pokemon I like so it’s like a nice bonus

[mighty stump]

or Primals

[rustic mountain]

i do remember the dude jon something got 2nd at worlds 2016 brought dual weather far in players cup 4

p sure he also made finals

[whole ibex]

Any ideas who should be the last member?

I mean recommendations

[mighty stump]

Looks fine to me - Incin just seems like a flexi slot. You’re better into Kingambit and Sand mirror if you have sth like Sneasler

[rustic mountain]

tofu question, do u click light of ruin often

[mighty stump]

Yes

[rustic mountain]

was using a floette team no light of ruin but was curious on its use case

[mighty stump]

I want a free switch and delete a slot ill click it

[hollow latch]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-gif-25783770

[mighty stump]

and in some situations I just need it to do big chip or put sth into range

So even resisted mons are just chipped down to range

[whole ibex]

So either fake out guys works?

[rustic mountain]

makes sense

[mighty stump]

Ya - again, Sneasler would be a more positive matchup into Sand mirrors which may start to become relevant

[mighty stump]

Also funny haha big button big damage

[rustic mountain]

lmao gotta have that

[whole ibex]

I don’t have Snealser (because I haven’t gotten far in Arceus) so I’m gonna stick to Incin for now. Unless someone wants to trade in a Snealser in scarlet and violet.

[hollow latch]

ur guy are the reason why i play sciscor

[rustic mountain]

yea my first iteration of floette was solid but had glaring weaknesses, im trynna make some changes and see how they go but might also try out urs

[rustic mountain]

idk how i feel about scizor it seems ok

[mighty stump]

32+ Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. X HP / X Def Mega Floette: 128-152 (70.7 - 83.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[mighty stump]

Imo two ways

Bulky button presser

[hollow latch]

gotta say if u dont play into charz or incin (which is impossible) u win

[mighty stump]

Fast CM

Max Spe Spa is just wrong also

[dull ibex]

how much vp you guys got

[mighty stump]

It’s literally Flutter Mane

[dull ibex]

40,000 is mine

[mighty stump]

26k after spending like 10s of thousands on clothes

[dull ibex]

I found an outfit I liked

[rustic mountain]

i have almost 50k vp

[mighty stump]

me2

VP is rlly easy to come by

[rustic mountain]

i went max speed but even then im like eh prolly no lol, thinking aerodactyl as a tw setter

also anti sneasler

[hollow latch]

most of floetta player use calm mind or protect and if u sd u win plus they cant okho beside using the light that burns the sky move (playing max hp atk)

[mighty stump]

My reasoning for not max spe is because what r u trying to outspeed

You outspeed Zard for no reason

Garchomp cant OHKO and you OHKO nack

Tied anyways

[hollow latch]

still surprised how f2p that game is

[rustic mountain]

i think i just thought 150 was a solid enough benchmark to hit and was like i can always change it if need be, but then realized i was caught out a lot w/ the lack of overall bulk even w/ intimidate and friend guard support

[mighty stump]

151 for the memes

[rustic mountain]

as long as u spent 200+ on the other games sure

[dull ibex]

why sturdy vs why stalwart btw I want to know both sides to this coin

[mighty stump]

Unironically I’d set Timid Rotom-W as a speed tier to care about

[mighty stump]

Sturdy is just a free revenge kill especially into Sneasler since they always click CC and die to Draco despite White Herb

and since when is Focus Sash not good

[hollow latch]

i mean with home and most people are open to trade guys u get them very easy if u open to interact with other people

[mighty stump]

Stalwart is just for whatever redirection reason and anti-meme Lightning Rod

[hollow latch]

beside mega stone locking floette

[mighty stump]

Sinistcha is popular

[dull ibex]

ig ignoring redirection could be funny

[mighty stump]

Maushold exists

[rustic mountain]

sure if ur getting legit mons idk how freely ppl r trading those unfortunately

[mighty stump]

Im an OT only for myself or gf so i dont have to worry

[rustic mountain]

im mostly ot otherwise its from ppl i trust

[mighty stump]

Yk whats been disappointing

Crabominable

[hollow latch]

most of the mons are very farmable in this meta (beside floetta) it will definitly change with legendary etc

[rustic mountain]

yea i thought itd b better

quite a few new megas just r not it

[mighty stump]

Like you’d think Iron Fist with Mach/Drain Punch and fat bulk is good but the typing is depressng enough as is

[rustic mountain]

good offensively, terrible defensively

[mighty stump]

Fighting coverage is huge but its like weak to almost every top mon

[hollow latch]

i actually expected them that u have to pay vp for home guys too. i take that as a win xD

[rustic mountain]

yea its def nice but even if it was a small cost w/e its so easy to get vp

[rustic mountain]

i had some1 overread me went for cc into my mega dnite (multiscale active expecting incin switch) and i 1ohkod them w/ draco

[mighty stump]

Lul

[dull ibex]

maybe mega starmie isn't the call?

[mighty stump]

It’s funny but it’s not it

[dull ibex]

it dump trucks damage

[rustic mountain]

yea it seems really tough to use

[dull ibex]

im not sure what to replace it with tbh

[mighty stump]

So does Basc wo a mega slot or running Starmie

You speed tie Sneasler/Frosslass

Its crowded in here

[rustic mountain]

its strong but yea i think it gets outclassed

also mega delphox winning a tour? didnt expect that

[dull ibex]

I could just use sun but idk I just lose with sun

tofu you have za yeah?

[mighty stump]

Ig fast Psychic that outspeeds Sneasler is the niche

Yes

Yk what I’m surprised about

[dull ibex]

can you trade me a za delphox just to get the mega stone ?

[mighty stump]

No Feraligatr

[mighty stump]

How does that work

[dull ibex]

you send in a delphox from za and get the megas tone

[rustic mountain]

yea maybe, its been decent in the cybertron vid i just am not sure it seems amazing

[dull ibex]

I assume you can use it on a normal delphox after that

[mighty stump]

Where do I trade you

[foggy lodge]

Its fine i think it has potential

[dull ibex]

needs to be home?

[mighty stump]

I think its like

[dull ibex]

I think

[mighty stump]

Garchomp

Where you kinda just click damage

and clean up w the team

[foggy lodge]

The speed tier its fine into sneasler gengar and floette

[mighty stump]

It’s not a star

Oh yeah Mgar

[foggy lodge]

And also resists floette

[mighty stump]

I keep forgetting he exists

[rustic mountain]

yea p much wats been happening thus far hahah

[mighty stump]

lul

does it not get NPlot or sth

[mighty stump]

uh sure

ill see if I have a fennekin

I did a mass release recently cuz My boxes were too full from random quests and doing things

[dull ibex]

if you don't have one thats fine

maybe I run sinischa

[rustic mountain]

this one uses sub but it gets plot

[dull ibex]

is there an offensive support set or just support

[mighty stump]

ig Sub for Kingambit

[rustic mountain]

seemingly yea or passive board states

[mighty stump]

Standard Matcha Gotcha/Rage Powder

TR/Life Dew/Shadow Ball all options

[dull ibex]

I meant evs

[rustic mountain]

mainly bulk

[dull ibex]

im tr, matcha, life dew, ragepowder

[mighty stump]

lucky you i have a fennekin

ill evo it and we can trade

[dull ibex]

gotcha

do you want it back or nah?

[mighty stump]

idc

[dull ibex]

ight ill return my ranch delphox and use that then

thanks a bunch

[mighty stump]

np

[dull ibex]

as far as not seeing it coming that it'd win a tour

I saw that coming tbh it seems stupid

[mighty stump]

Why is everything this weird 159 SpA

lmao

[rustic mountain]

dragos been on delphox

[dull ibex]

The team that won the tour is balance yeah?

it seems like balance always wins tours

[rustic mountain]

check out the new cybertron vid its there

its balance esque i guess

id say more just good stuff

[dull ibex]

good stuff seems SUPER common

[mighty stump]

its goodstuff

[foggy lodge]

i lost to diggersby delphox on ladder ngl diggersby got hands

[mighty stump]

Scarf Diggersby the goat

Hol up

[rustic mountain]

me finding out diggersby is in the game

[mighty stump]

EQ Garchomp w Delphox bro lets go

[chrome knot]

eq chomp, substitute on delphox

[dull ibex]

are the evs important

[ripe grail]

Anyone friendlies??

[dull ibex]

can i run standard sets

[mighty stump]

I have calc’d like

One set

this entire time

which is Floette

[chrome knot]

vibes based gameplay im ngl

[mighty stump]

yea

[tawdry urchin]

https://pokepast.es/c8a4f978bb4f7dfe What do I change? I'm hard stuck in ultra ball 3 💔

[rustic mountain]

its pretty early, if u wanna calc wat u know is common and go for that u can otherwise just yea go off vibes and change if need be as u go

[mighty stump]

Why is your Crabominable invested like that

and why double status Roseli Spiritomb we have like one Fairy type

[rustic mountain]

i feel like its a troll, it has meganiumite

also old ev spreads

[mighty stump]

Idk it looks pretty believable to me

iykyk

[ripe grail]

Trick room is very easy to counter man

[chrome knot]

think imma just steal mdb warmup chal team and add the garde > floette like he meant to lmao

[ripe grail]

As long as they ko your trick room mon

First turn
You're done for

[dull ibex]

maybe i can find a rain team to pilot based on this toruney delphox won

[mighty stump]

Well easier said than done since good players can leverage the TR threat and if you double target you might just be left open too

[tawdry urchin]

attack and defence are it's highest base stats and is mainly weak to pysical type moves?

[ripe grail]

It's all a mind game

Also personally with a mon like incin in my team
I can just pivot around with protect and all and navigate the 5 turns

[mighty stump]

Again, still easier said than done. 5 turns of pivot and protect is pretty passive play

[mighty stump]

Why is it “mainly weak to physical moves”

[rare drift]

Armour tail 🦒 just shuts down opposing fake out users too

Which is great

[ripe grail]

I mean I used to face trouble when facing farigiraf earlier

But since I started opening with zard Y and venus
I ko it first turn

[ripe grail]

Yes am aware

[tawdry urchin]

Flying, fighting, rock, fire. The majoirity the attacks my crab takes are pysical moves

[rare drift]

Im sure you are im just a GDR

[ripe grail]

Acid spray the girrafe
And then heat wave or air slash takes it out

[ripe grail]

What's gdr bro 😭

Errr why can't I upload images here??

Can I tag some mod?

[rare drift]

Idk if I can say it😭 but it means im a giraffe supporter

[ripe grail]

💀💀💀

[mighty stump]

Well in general you would be getting similar benefit physically while more benefit SpDef wise if you just max out HP. You get better returns. Investing into very high stats defensively has diminishing returns.

and category of move isn’t really what you look at when you EV train

[left bobcat]

Crab?

[tawdry urchin]

Incin fake out ✌

[rare drift]

Yup

[mighty stump]

@dull ibex im ready

[dull ibex]

alright one second

[ripe grail]

Uhhh yes but then again you'll almost lose your fairgiraf with just heat wave
Incin would be at 65%

Which is still a good first turn for me

If you fake out the zard I'll put the giraffe to sleep

[tawdry urchin]

using?

[ripe grail]

Sleep powder on Saturday

*saur

[dull ibex]

are we friends on home?

[ripe grail]

Horrible auto correct sorry

[mighty stump]

No

Just use room

[dull ibex]

gotcha ill do that as soon as i get in

[chrome knot]

good thing its monday

[ripe grail]

😭😭😭

[tawdry urchin]

If it's not 100% acurate it's 50%, I'll take my chance with the 75% 🙏

[dull ibex]

5639 6009 2584

[ripe grail]

I don't generally face a problem against TR

Unless it someone using M- golurk

[ripe grail]

I mean yes then again
In fact I'll just acid spray the giraffe and ko it the next turn also

[mighty stump]

what is this

[dull ibex]

room idea

[ripe grail]

You wanna play a friendly??

[dull ibex]

idk did i do something wrong? I dont use home often lmao

[tawdry urchin]

Acid spray? Just use sludge bomb apt, It'll be on 50% hp

[mighty stump]

just give me your friend code

[ripe grail]

Nahhh I keep acid spray on my set

Lowers the spd

It's for killing TR mons first turn

The spd drop makes it easier for zard Y to pick up kills

[ripe grail]

@fast blade do I not have perms to upload pictures???

[dull ibex]

Woops sent a team wit it

[mighty stump]

You could have sent me text to copy

[dull ibex]

It wouldn't let me lmao

[mighty stump]

i sent it

[dull ibex]

aceepted

are you getting the cant trade pokemon with this account error?

[mighty stump]

got the “cant trade bug”

sucks ig

[dull ibex]

can you send za mons to sv?

is delphox even in sv

[mighty stump]

yes

idk

[dull ibex]

wanna see if that works

[mighty stump]

reverse those answers

[dull ibex]

oh okay

we might just be sol

[mighty stump]

yk ive been seeing a bunch of mega hren

gren

its depressing and free

[dull ibex]

so what should i replace dnite with if i want MORE damage

we have basc and arch

[mighty stump]

what are you looking to get out of dnite

[dull ibex]

im looking for a mon to threaten kos

[tawdry urchin]

Whats the best kind of team to play rn? I'm done using trick room

[dull ibex]

theres a few best teams imo

I've been having fun with sun

[ripe grail]

Sameeee

[ripe grail]

I dmed you my team

[mighty stump]

Sun/Rain probably

[dull ibex]

whats also rough is I can't just copy a proven team for rain

because I can't find any lmao

[tawdry urchin]

Fraud chomp? Giga drain? No frig?

[ripe grail]

Did you call the most used mon rn a fraud 😭

[ripe grail]

Why would I have the giraffe
I have no use for TR

[tawdry urchin]

Imprsion?

[surreal echo]

https://pokepast.es/59c07e361c178c26 Thoughts? Currently hardstuck at 1830 elo in master ball

[tawdry urchin]

No fakeout or priority?

[ripe grail]

Wdym??

[surreal echo]

armor tail, those qualities alone aren't a reason to use it though unless you want trick room

[ripe grail]

Exactly no

It's just not suffice enough

All of them are nearly irreplaceable

[surreal echo]

also chomp + venu + charizard is one of the most popular cores rn

[tawdry urchin]

Imprison hello?

[ripe grail]

Why do you wanna use imprison bro?

[tawdry urchin]

And if they somehow set up trickroom you can just undo it

[tawdry urchin]

Do you even know what it does?

[surreal echo]

or you can just have a plan for trick room instead of dedicating an entire slot to stopping it

it's not that hard honestly

[ripe grail]

Whimsicott encore exists

[dull ibex]

what do i do if the only competent rain i found has a floette

[ripe grail]

As much as I know
It doesn't allow the opponent to use the same moves as the pokemon who used imprison

[dull ibex]

but I can't get floette

[tawdry urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-oh-my-god-bruh-saleswoman-oh-my-god-bruh-gif-2398788864743270124

Holy larp

[surreal echo]

what's the team

[dull ibex]

nvm it uses quick claw pelipper 💀

[surreal echo]

not every tailwind team needs imprison bruh 😭 give it up

[ripe grail]

Blud it works as long as they're no farigiraf vs whimsicott

In which case I'll open with venus + zard simply

[surreal echo]

also imprison only works until you switch out farigaraf or it dies

[chrome knot]

sleepinf

[ripe grail]

Exactly

[surreal echo]

if they know it's coming, and they probably will, all they have to do is kill it

[ripe grail]

I haven't seen a single impirsom user yet

And yk the reason why now

[tawdry urchin]

Whimsicott makes none attacking move priority, Frig stops priority moves.

[dull ibex]

does mega gengar benefit rain at all?

[surreal echo]

it's used as a perish trapper alongside politoed

[ripe grail]

Bro tell me whats the issue with this team

Fari is not synergistic at all

[surreal echo]

what is the team btw

[dull ibex]

nah not that

[surreal echo]

i mean it helps against mega meganium I suppose?

[ripe grail]

I can't upload pics here for some weird rzn

I'll dm it to you

[surreal echo]

use pokepaste

https://pokepast.es

or if dming is easier do that

[ripe grail]

Did it

[tawdry urchin]

Garchomp is a fraud, giga drain over solar beam is crazy, sneasler is usless without sash but whim needs it

[ripe grail]

Bruh no wonder you're stuck at UB

[surreal echo]

solar beam venusaur is ass

[ripe grail]

You have no idea about the meta

[solid frigate]

Are we doing this again

[surreal echo]

yeah this team doesn't need farig

i think it's good

[ripe grail]

Nor does it need frickin two solar beams 😭

[dull ibex]

if anyone finds any great rain teams ping me

[surreal echo]

also chomp is the third most used mon in the format what are you talking about

[tawdry urchin]

Fine, the other 2 are valid though

[surreal echo]

no???

[ripe grail]

No??

Garchomp single handedly counters all weather setteds

It's a staple in all teams

[solid frigate]

He literally fried comp helpers brains last time with Lugia
Just ignore them

@surreal echo @ripe grail

[tawdry urchin]

Quad weak to ice, the 2 best ice types rn hard diff even with the berry, It's frail for what it is

[surreal echo]

bro was trying to help you and all you're doing is criticizing his team, if you're gonna ask for help don't immediately attack their team

[ripe grail]

Thank you 🙏🙏🙏for telling

I could tell

[gentle crag]

mercyy006 has given 1 Gen Rep to morrispxg456

[surreal echo]

yeah this guy is ragebaiting

[ripe grail]

He's damn annoying

[ripe grail]

That's what man

[ripe grail]

Bro called goatchomp a fraud

[surreal echo]

yeah no wonder he can't make it past ub

[ripe grail]

Disrespect for my fav gen 4 mon ain't gonna be tolerated

Yes lemme have a look @surreal echo

[surreal echo]

anyways, any way to improve this team? https://pokepast.es/59c07e361c178c26

yeah accidentally pasted the wrong one

[tawdry urchin]

Pokemon vcg players when you want to use a less popular pokemon instead of the same 10(+) 🙏

[solid frigate]

Ngl scarf Chomp is a nightmare

[ripe grail]

Chomp is a nightmare to face off against with zard Y

Have to bring in my own hence

[tawdry urchin]

Try using fraud chomp against any team with ice/ dragon moves and tell me how it goes 🙏🙏🙏

[ripe grail]

I think mega delphox is really cool.

[mighty stump]

mfw competitive players use the most competitive mons in a competitive games

[ripe grail]

Don't worry about the slump

It does happen sometimes
Maybe not a good day

Your team looks really balanced

[surreal echo]

i did, it actually worked really well because I took out their ice types before sending him out. Mind blowing right?

[ripe grail]

I lost some 5 matches in a row yesterday

[ripe grail]

Never an issue 🙏 thenks

[surreal echo]

"Try using incineroar against a team full of water types and tell me how it goes"

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah and thats brain dead and boring, I'm trying to have fun not go to an offical championship and try to win $10,000 💔

[solid frigate]

Ngl

I kinda see where Orthworm is going but ehhhhh still not ideal imo

[ripe grail]

Happy battling in UB mate

[surreal echo]

okay good for you, if you want to have fun do that, don't force other people to play like you do though

[surreal echo]

what do you suggest then?

[ripe grail]

Yeah I think he's tryna setup

[surreal echo]

yeah with shed tail

[ripe grail]

Buttt

He's generally very weak

[mighty stump]

mfw people try to break the meta without learning what they’re trying to break

[ripe grail]

To sun teams esp

[surreal echo]

yeah that's why i have delphox and chomp

[ripe grail]

Yes I understand
But they can always be faked out first turn

[dull ibex]

tofu do you mind doing a set with me and giving feedback?

[ripe grail]

And orthworm is then just a free kill

[solid frigate]

Kingambit is literally the prime steel type to use

Good against Ghost at least and you get a solid Fantasy Core (Steel,Dragon,Fairy)

[tawdry urchin]

Breaking the use of restricted sp attackers at the time?

[bold geode]

Success is chasing them, but they're faster

[ripe grail]

@surreal echo let's run a game do you mind?

[surreal echo]

I mean I usually don't bring orthworm against sun anyways, delphox + clefable is usually more than enough

[surreal echo]

in class sadly

[ripe grail]

Ahhh that sucks

Dm me when you're free

I wanna workaround mega del anyways

[dull ibex]

im going back to su n

[ripe grail]

Good practice for me too

[surreal echo]

yeah that's true, the reason I paired both together was cause I saw wolfe use orthworm and wanted to try and do something similar

I think worm does have potential, maybe on a different team though

[ripe grail]

More so on the frosslass team

[mighty stump]

its like 3:36 am and I’m putting Scary Face on Incineroar so the answer is no

[surreal echo]

+2 body press oneshotting arch was all I needed to see

[ripe grail]

I feel

[dull ibex]

LMAO FAIR

[bold geode]

Hey man it cooks trust

[mighty stump]

I realise I somehow do not own a Garchomp anywhere lul

[solid frigate]

Tofu why-

[dull ibex]

I can lend you one if you want

[surreal echo]

I also did see a delphox + orthworm team in some tournament do well

[mighty stump]

Im OT only

[foggy lodge]

You can catch a wild one in SV

[mighty stump]

My genius knows no bounds

[ripe grail]

We'll battle then

Only then can I tell fr to be honest

[surreal echo]

alr

[mighty stump]

Yeah rhats the plan

maybe tomorrow

[bold geode]

It's ok bro, it's fraudulent

[surreal echo]

I mean I def can't bring orthworm against your team it would die immediately

[mighty stump]

I have a house call to do for work then i can play

[foggy lodge]

Everytime I do the recruitment i get mons i can catch in other games lmao

[surreal echo]

house call at 3:38 AM??

[tawdry urchin]

Not trying to make others play like me, just sharing my opinion on a team I'm considering using because I'm done using tr

[foggy lodge]

I think the only mon I had to recruit was Kangaskhan

[solid frigate]

Bro is gonna be Kiryu Sento during 3 am

https://tenor.com/view/kiryu-sento-excited-hair-kamen-rider-build-build-sugoi-desho-gif-9720655248296357658

[surreal echo]

maybe share your feedback after you actually try the team instead of immediately saying "unga bunga garchomp bad"

[solid frigate]

I’m pretty sure bro contradicted themselves about wanting us to play like him

[tawdry urchin]

Sorry but I hate garchomp and refuse to use it, I'd rather use frig. It makes sense using it if you think about it

[surreal echo]

no it really doesn't 😭

Like it's not hard to say "Huh, I wouldn't personally use Garchomp but I'll try the team and give my thoughts after a few games"

[mighty stump]

I think we’ve all learned a lesson today - some opinions matter more than others

shoot for the cardboard hit the wall

or wtvr it is

[solid frigate]

It’s not even an opinion atp

It’s just gargle

[mighty stump]

anyways Kleavor

Kleavor though

[tawdry urchin]

Frig stops priority, shuts down oppodent's fake out and whimsacot entirely and I can imprsion trick room and protect

[solid frigate]

Ngl

Good against Sash Mons because Stone Axe Stealth Rocks

Neutral to Garchomp

[ripe grail]

😂🤣

Bro got ratioed frrrr

[foggy lodge]

Kleavor got top 4 at a big online tour and idk if i want to believe on it LOL

https://x.com/i/status/2043420185818722361

Karim (@RiotVGC)

Made top 4 in The Champion's Cup money tour with Kleavor. Played really well and my team was sick so a good start to Champions. Thx for hosting and ggs to all my opponents!♥️.

X · Apr 12, 2026, 8:05 PM

[surreal echo]

What makes Kleavor good exactly

[mighty stump]

its cuz SRocks into Zard and run a Pelipper lol

[solid frigate]

I’m pretty sure only said some points

[mighty stump]

Force the switch or to stay in a shit situation

[solid frigate]

Good into Sash Mons,Pelipper and Charizard on switch in

Neutral to Garchomp which is abundant

[foggy lodge]

True

I think its scarf Kleavor so you directly threaten the KO into Zard

[mighty stump]

Yeah thats rhe plan as well

Force a switch - set up SRocks anyways

[solid frigate]

Actually what was the stats again