competitive_discussion

[cyan smelt]

ttar is top tier

[cyan smelt]

damn, 134

[sharp cobalt]

Nuke

[noble hatch]

damn

started using mega lucario

didnt know he had game like he does

[polar canyon]

Had a casual battle 7 win streak end to hurricane confusing into 2 confusion hits and a thunder wave miss

In the span of 2 turns

Literally what are the odds of that

[polar canyon]

So 30% into 1/3 into 1/3 into 1/10

[red willow]

Wait

I can evolve my shiny pawniard?

Gambit stonks are up

[real prairie]

Oh look Wolfey released a video about skill swap starmie 🙃

[cyan smelt]

How do i deal with psychic terrain meowstic next to mega alakazam

[earnest rapids]

Starmie knows skill swap???

It has pure power

[red willow]

Wait meowstic sets terrain?

[jade dust]

No

You have to set it manually

[red willow]

Oh lame I was pumped for a sec lol

[foggy lodge]

Top 100 bo3🤠

[winter fox]

Mega Drampa mission: Mega Evolve,get outsped,die and repeat

[noble hatch]

have you tried trick room?

[minor geyser]

So I am probably a sadist for clicking EQ while not protecting my partner mon. The opponents gets hella confused

[winter fox]

I vouch for Tailwind instead honestly

[noble hatch]

im a big fan of non-mega drampa in this format tbh

with how many weather teams there are i just go bulk city and cancel the weather with him

[winter fox]

Oh yeah Cloud Nine

I am running a rain team tho

[foggy cloak]

Anyone can't I change my Dragonite's Special Defense?

Like it's not giving me the option to even spend VP on doing so

I would attach an image but I don't have image perms for some reason...

[jade dust]

How many matches can you do in the online competition?

[pearl wind]

you can send me a DM if you havent figured it out yet, i can post the picture here or maybe help you out

[waxen dock]

probabky 45

but idk

[foggy cloak]

Thanks!

[gentle crag]

shrill777 has given 1 Gen Rep to amoransiia

[bold geode]

@atomic portal @torn parrot you're never gonna believe this

[atomic portal]

u got r 1?

[bold geode]

No

Someone stole my account

[atomic portal]

:^(

[foggy lodge]

Did you register it

[bold geode]

Not that account just yet
Usually I do but I didn't do that one right away cuz I never have these issue

Nobody ever naming themselves "x Monke"

So it's not like someone randomly took the account

[atomic portal]

thats really chode and im sorry abt that

[foggy lodge]

i registered an account that i never ended up using and days later i saw someone with my exact account's name but with a 1 at the end im sorry lil bro

[bold geode]

Oh no I think it's fucking hilarious

Like why are you taking MY shit

[indigo coral]

Hit Master Rank with a 22-2 record and this team. Perish Trap Rain is really solid into pretty much everything this meta.

[bold geode]

Like was I really doing that good that you felt the need to take my account and register it

[hollow latch]

Wait xD

[mighty stump]

Any amlunt

If’s like ladder

[spark siren]

i hate yawn snorlax

[sharp cobalt]

[mighty stump]

520 (1740) on Warm-Up Challenge but it’s 2:45 AM and I’m tired and I have work tomorrow

[dull ibex]

I ran into a bug

My chople berry didn't proc on a close combat

[near crag]

Any thoughts on this team? https://pokepast.es/642e21df2179b14a Don't really know if dual mega is the move here too

[mighty stump]

Unnerve

[dull ibex]

OH DUH

[mighty stump]

Ironically Technician Scizor with Metal Coat might be better if you’re keen on keeping single Mega. I think Dnite is very subpar

[craggy dagger]

dnite issssss
alright

[mighty stump]

Top 500 wey

Wonder what I’ll actuslly park at

[winter fox]

Your team changes don't get saved during Online Battles??

That's so stupid

[next stump]

what do you mean?

[knotty geyser]

What pokemon know the moves whirlwind and roar to deal.with annoying set up stall pokemon

[dull ibex]

Nice

[winter fox]

Like when registering for the Warm Up battles your team changes don't transfer over when you register them

[next stump]

that’s always how online challenges work unfortunately

lock into a team by Thursday and it ends on Sunday

they’re used to qualify for the world championship so they need to maintain competitive integrity

[winter fox]

I lost all three matches because my changes to Ninetales didn't transfer over 🙂

[next stump]

hit up the ranked ladder instead

[dull ibex]

so are there any other hyper offensive cores besides rain and sun?

[winter fox]

I'm only doing it for the Gardevoir lol

[next stump]

welp congrats on being done then

[dull ibex]

can sand be hyper offensive?

or is that locked to balance

[shadow wind]

You can make whatever team whatever archetype

I think the idea of only playing certain archetypes stupid

[wheat rapids]

yeah definitely dont put things into buckets so hard lol

there are so many combinations and pokemon and strategies. The likelihood of something like sand only being used for HO is very low

[shadow wind]

Who cares if a team “Hyper offense” or “Balance”

[wheat rapids]

I myself use it defensively more than anything

[wheat rapids]

i mean. i think that kind of label is ok for teambuilding and cohesion

[shadow wind]

If the team speaks to you then use it

[wheat rapids]

yes. you can use anything for anything tbh

[shadow wind]

A team can have whatever label you want but if you can’t play it then who cares what the label is

[dull ibex]

how do i build a snow hyper offense team then

[shadow wind]

Blizzard spam + Tailwind 🔥🔥🔥

[dull ibex]

is that a real suggestion?

[wheat rapids]

uhhhh you say that sarcastically which is funny

use mega froslass, alolan ninetales can also be a great offensive mon

[dull ibex]

No im not

[wheat rapids]

kk use mega froslass then

[dull ibex]

I need partners for mega froslass

[atomic portal]

blizzard pew pew pew

[wheat rapids]

i mean im not gonna sit here and teambuild you a whole team haha sorry. you can go watch wolfeyVGC's newest videos tho he uses a mega froslass, orthworm, garchomp, incin team that works very well

with rotom frost too

[dull ibex]

im not going to attempt to pilot a wolfe team sorry

hes a very different player from me

[wheat rapids]

more reason why im not gonna sit here and teambuild for you, you're gonna have to figure it out yourself then lol

but, the idea that one person can't play a certain team

idk. that's prob just a skill issue lol but idk why you're so quick to hyper generalize

[dull ibex]

what are you talking about generalizing lmao

[craggy dagger]

glaceon bright powder snow cloak if you wanna be gimmicky

uhhh
basculegion isn’t bad if you don’t mind doubling up on ghost dark weakness

[dull ibex]

I don't mind

[wheat rapids]

lol im doing that with garchomp and ttar

[craggy dagger]

this was my mega froslass team

https://pokepast.es/c96061e656ef8f3d

mega dragonite is honestly a preference
you can replace it with literally anything else

[dull ibex]

thanks for the ideas

I don't have a prim? I don't think

[craggy dagger]

you can always swap prim with someone else

and add like
whimsicott for grass fairy and replace dnite with whimsy

[dull ibex]

the froslass teams seem very good stuffs

[atomic portal]

r there any slush rush dudes in roster?

[craggy dagger]

uhhh

i think beartic is the only one

[atomic portal]

could always do that for more ho snow

go zoom whack pow

[craggy dagger]

true

[dull ibex]

I wonder how many new players to vgc we have

[craggy dagger]

beartic also gets liquidation i think-
so it can kinda cover itself

[dense latch]

i cant catch a break with opposing rock slide

[dull ibex]

maybe i do have a prim

[craggy dagger]

asking for suggestions vs asking someone to build a team for you is very different

[shadow wind]

I was doing that to people yesterday

[craggy dagger]

prim is nice

i’m guessing you wanna run aurora veil?

[shadow wind]

Man I love me some Aerodactyl

[dull ibex]

Im open to suggestions

[craggy dagger]

i think veil is prolly good for froslass

also
if i was using mega abomasnow
and in its base form
it snow warning, but gets overwritten by drizzle pelipper.
if i mega, do i get the snow back

@bold geode help me out stinky

[dense latch]

next game

[craggy dagger]

damn

[dense latch]

my aerodactyl could never

[craggy dagger]

but yeah
froslass is a great anti-meta pokemon methinks
it’s still a little more on the fragile side but yeh

[craggy dagger]

that looks good

[mighty stump]

well warm up challenge shows 606k

[dull ibex]

is it possible with over a million vgc players now?

ofc champions is free on a device with 150million and like 30 million units old

[craggy dagger]

Tofu!

[dull ibex]

what do you think of this tofu

[lost sun]

sunny day on a snow team?

[dull ibex]

oh right i forgot my whim had that

im just going to drop the snow idea

[lost sun]

could be strong tho u got quite a bulky strong team with aurora veil

and also tw for speed

[bold geode]

Yes

[shadow wind]

That’s cause you love him for the rock slides

I love mine for the tailwind

We ain’t the same

[dense latch]

i do love him for the tailwind

because i cant love him for the rock slide flinches bc he hasnt gotten one

[craggy dagger]

tyyy

[noble hatch]

i feel like im seeing more or less the exact same team every fight

with the odd gengar perish trap team every now and then

[shadow wind]

But it’s planted in your mind that you want the rock slide flinches

[shadow wind]

Cause there’s like 120 mons to choose from and half are Watchog status

[noble hatch]

180ish

and even if half are garbo thats still almost 90 "good" mons

[shadow wind]

Alright then you take 90 decent mons and give them to vgc players who will hop on any single team because they don’t want to team build

Those 90 can’t all play individually

[molten oasis]

Just play zard venu ez

[noble hatch]

ik im just wishing it wasnt the same 10 mons or so

[foggy lodge]

VGC players that can build vs VGC players that can't build

[shadow wind]

Making a functioning team is incredibly hard so if there’s only a few teams cycling through it’s because finding synergy between lots of mons is something new players won’t be wanting to do

[shadow wind]

5% vs 95%

[molten oasis]

lol

[noble hatch]

is it? this is my first time playing comp and i made my own team just fine

[shadow wind]

Team building is a lost art

[foggy lodge]

Crazy that with champions i managed to create a good team

[winter fox]

Be anti-meta

[foggy lodge]

I could never make a really good team in SV😭

[molten oasis]

Nah man

You need really solid teambuilding skills to run anti meta

[winter fox]

You don't have to make some super hardcore team. Just build what you find enjoyable.

[molten oasis]

I should know

[shadow wind]

Well you kinda proved it yourself by saying you’re seeing the same teams everywhere

You think those people all made those teams individually?

[dense latch]

i just missed against bright powder farigiraf twice in a row

[noble hatch]

no like i get they are just aping whatever team they saw was "good"

[shadow wind]

Yeah I got nothing you might just be the worlds unluckiest player

[dense latch]

this might be the unluckiest ladder session i've ever had

[noble hatch]

i just wish there were more people making their own teams vs rentals

[foggy lodge]

i hate these items

[winter fox]

Perish Song Mega Gengar and No Guard Excadrill is running rampant rn those are anti-meta

[dense latch]

im this close to ripping my hair out

[shadow wind]

I had a bit for the Aerodactyl stuff but that’s just terrible

[molten oasis]

Gengar is meta what are you talking about

[foggy lodge]

can hurricane and kowtow miss into bright powder

[shadow wind]

Meta this anti meta that

[foggy lodge]

I know sand veil and snow cloak can dodge those lol

[dense latch]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma-2581737553-g6junq3viywpcpy5u9e1vpc0661cpg3pw like what am i supposed to do mann

[winter fox]

With Perish Song?

[pearl wind]

i love aerodacrly but im never clicking dual wingbeat again

[molten oasis]

Why don’t you meta girl

[shadow wind]

Just play whatever teams you like 😭😭😭

[pearl wind]

went 0/4 with dual wingbeat hits vs sneasler

i do get lots of flinches tho

[craggy dagger]

lol

[molten oasis]

The Mon is but I agree with Conner just play whatever

[pearl wind]

love me the fossil bird

[shadow wind]

I think people think too hard about finding the perfect team

If you can win with a sub perfect team then who cares

[foggy lodge]

Comfort diff>>>

[shadow wind]

Literally

Sometimes all it takes is having fun to do better

Which is why I don’t think I can team build with other people

But Maxi I will try !

Whenever Maya and I teambuild the builder ends up on fire and a team neither of us can play comes out

[dense latch]

i havent had a normal game in the 7 or 8 games i played today so i havent been able to tell how much i enjoy this team

but floette is fun when it doesnt get flinched it does way too much damage

[shadow wind]

Yes it sure does

[foggy lodge]

LMAO

i wish mega skarmory was good

But i like when other people use mega skarmory my incineroar is very happy when it sees it on team preview

[shadow wind]

Which is a reason to not use mega skarmory

If Incin is happy turn the other direction

[tawdry urchin]

Besides taunt is there anyway I can prevent protect from being used? It's op af 🫩

[shadow wind]

Imprison

[lost sun]

feint breaks protect

[tawdry urchin]

Isn't that single target?

[lost sun]

affects both the opponents

[shadow wind]

It’s not even a targeted move

[lost sun]

they can't use any move that the Pokémon that imprisoned has

[spiral zealot]

you could also run Mega Golurk or Mega Excadrill (whose abilities let them hit through Protect with 25% damage), or use something with Phantom Force (hits through protection moves and removes them for the rest of the turn) like Dragapult

[jade dust]

Just use that turn to reposition or to set up if you have a set up move

Or what Chloe said

[spiral zealot]

Basculegion would probably be the next best Phantom Force user if i was just guessing, but Gengar and Mimikyu and some others learn it too

[jade dust]

Eh physical Gengar

[spiral zealot]

you just dont understand my mega starmie skill swap gengar strats

[tawdry urchin]

Mega slot is already taken but I'm probably going to change my team anyways. Trick room is garbage

[jade dust]

But if you’re using mega starmie means you’re not using mega Gengar

Sounds like a funny strat tho

I would like to see it in action

[spiral zealot]

yeah mega starmie skill swap onto normal gengar its peak

[jade dust]

Dm me the setup pls

I can use that to troll someone

[spiral zealot]

oh i dont have a setup im just goofing around

[sudden remnant]

just watched wolfeys video with alpharad and i wanna try it with meowscarada

imagine huge power on the cat

[tawdry urchin]

Is perish song trap worth playing?

[sudden remnant]

depends on your piloting skills

[jade dust]

Wolfey will definitely try it

[tawdry urchin]

Piloting skills?

[sudden remnant]

yes

piloting

[lost sun]

it's kinda frail tho and doesnt have spread moves

[sudden remnant]

it would still have a partner with it

[jade dust]

Yes cuz there is no room for error

[lost sun]

the mega starmie with protean

[spiral zealot]

Piloting just refers to like your skill level and your ability to maneuver the team
perish song is really difficult to play correctly compared to something more straightforward like hyper offense

[sudden remnant]

exactly

[lost sun]

don't see it working better than ttar or other stuff like garchomp

[jade dust]

Yeah only Wolfey has won tournaments

Using perish trap

[tawdry urchin]

The strat is pure stall what errors can I make? 😭

[jade dust]

Huh

[lost sun]

if it was that easy then other people would have won tournaments with it

[jade dust]

Is that a real question

[jade dust]

Did you read what she said?

@tawdry urchin

[sudden remnant]

literally one mistake and your entire plan fails

one missed protect and its over

[jade dust]

One bad switch

[dull ibex]

Yes but it's heavily skill dependent

[sudden remnant]

could i skill swap my teammate through protect

[lost sun]

no

[tawdry urchin]

Because mega genger hasn't been usable in like a decade

[dull ibex]

It's hard trust me

[lost sun]

gothitelle won with perish trap

twice I think one in a restricted format

[dull ibex]

It's basically the Wolfe strat atp

[sudden remnant]

gothitelle is goated

[jade dust]

Yeah all by Wolfey

[sudden remnant]

werent both of those wolfey

[lost sun]

ye

[sudden remnant]

thought so

[jade dust]

Also he won with mega Gengar

[lost sun]

every perish trap win in a tournament is Wolfe

[lost sun]

did that one have perish song

[jade dust]

https://youtube.com/shorts/1g7ybF22qqM?si=finHV7rlSQdtxEIU

[tawdry urchin]

The strat is just mega genger, set up perish song, fake out anything that can attack genger and it's then just 3 turns of protect and substitute. It's not difficult to mess up

[jade dust]

What are you smoking

[dull ibex]

Said like a scrub tbh

[jade dust]

I need it

[sudden remnant]

try it then

[lost sun]

wyd if they lead 2 Pokémon that can hit gengar

[tawdry urchin]

Protect? Follow me?

[dull ibex]

OK spread moves

[sudden remnant]

if you protect then your not trying

[lost sun]

he's gonna bring wide guard follow me on the same Mon and use them at the same time obviously

[jade dust]

lol

[tawdry urchin]

You're*

[sudden remnant]

yeah yeah whatever

[jade dust]

…

[cyan smelt]

Vex how do u do against sand, i feel like i really struggle against scarf ttar and rotom

[jade dust]

What do you do if they lead Farig and Charizard Y?

Can’t fake out and can’t live sun boosted heat wave

[lost sun]

just dodge the heatwave

[sudden remnant]

focus miss zoroark-h and aura sphere mega garde

[tawdry urchin]

Lead with lapras

[jade dust]

Genius

[tawdry urchin]

And wide guard is a thing

[lost sun]

so is weather ball

[dull ibex]

This sounds like a lot to account for

[lost sun]

and psychic from the farig

[dull ibex]

Doesn't sound very easy

[jade dust]

Yeah a move that only like 2 Pokemon learn lol

[spiral zealot]

the problem is that whatever you're doing to protect yourself is keeping you from using perish song, the thing you need to use for the strategy
and its extremely difficult to keep a specific pokemon alive on the field for 3 whole turns

[tawdry urchin]

Occa berry lapras 😩

[dense latch]

you do know that doesn’t work right

[cyan smelt]

Lowk thick fat snorlax

[spiral zealot]

so you kind of have to commit to some predictions which are going to cost you the game more times than not

[solemn flicker]

What is a good common spread for stats for E-Floe in Champions? I did 252 SpA/Speed but noticed I wasnt taking hits well. Was thinking of investing some more in HP but by dropping a bit of SpA since it gets the Fairy Aura boost upon Mega Evo

[tawdry urchin]

Fuck you're right 😭

[jade dust]

Yeah he’s just bullshitting me at this point

Lmao

[cyan smelt]

Thick fat smack down snorlax

[tawdry urchin]

5(+) Pokémon in the game learn it lmao

[cyan smelt]

Or bust out the ancient power zard again

[jade dust]

Wolfe, the king of perish song, he said it many times how difficult it is to pull @tawdry urchin

You know more of Pokemon than Wolfe?

[tawdry urchin]

I've been able to sweep with trick room mega crabomable. It can't be that difficult to set up and stall perish song

[lost sun]

no correlation

[jade dust]

… that’s much easier to pull

[dull ibex]

It's leagues apart

[dense latch]

it’s gonna be easier to pull off vs people that don’t know what they’re doing

[jade dust]

Trick room teams are way easier to pull

I know because I have used trick room all my life

[tawdry urchin]

Both are set up moves and perish song can't be undone, how's it harder?

[jade dust]

And Crabominable is genuinely a good pokemon

BECAUSE THEY CAN CLEAR IT BY SWITCHING OUT

[dull ibex]

Yeah crab just seems pretty solid in trick room

[jade dust]

AND YOU NEED TO SPECIFICALLY KEEP MEGA GENGAR ALIVE AND IN THE FIELD AT THE SAME TIME OR ELSE IT DOESNT WORK

[tawdry urchin]

Shadow tag dumbass 🤦

[jade dust]

And mega Gengar is frail

[dull ibex]

Dude don't be toxic

[jade dust]

…

[lost sun]

ghost types and moves like u turn can switch out

[dull ibex]

Just try it

[jade dust]

Ok I’m done here

[zinc edge]

Anyone wanna hop in a VC and help me test my new team for comp

[tawdry urchin]

Protect, substitute, follow me. You're making such a big deal over nothing

[lost sun]

did u forget the perish part

[dull ibex]

How fair do you think you can get with it?

Far

[jade dust]

He’s gonna hope he gets protect 3 times in a row

[lost sun]

also even if u pull this off that's only half of the opponents team gone

[tawdry urchin]

I haven't seen a soul use u turn yet 🙏 Incin is the only decent Mon that can learn it and no one is running it

[jade dust]

You know, 1/3 chance and then 1/9

[dull ibex]

IT DOESN'T LEARN IT LMAO

[lost sun]

moves like u turn means anything that can pivot out

like parting shot ,flip turn and shed tail

[jade dust]

… Incineroar lost U turn this gen

[dense latch]

a good player will just overwhelm you with offensive pressure or leverage their pieces well enough to not lose much after perish

[cyan smelt]

Doesn't scarf adaptability wave crash ohko zard in sun

[tawdry urchin]

Gengar has crazy special attack, I can just attack with shadow ball If needed

[lost sun]

calc it

[jade dust]

That if you even survive the first turn of setting perish

[dull ibex]

do you wanna 1v1 with you using perish trap?

[jade dust]

You can only fake out one thread

You can only do follow me OR wide guard

[tawdry urchin]

Don't have the Pokémon or BP, the ranch is rigged

[spiral zealot]

1uk3 if you're being genuine and not trolling then i think you should definitely try out perish trap if it seems fun to you
just don't be surprised if it's harder to play than it seems to you right now

[dull ibex]

are you new to vgc?

[lost sun]

and if u bring wide guard chances are they would just use a single target move

[tawdry urchin]

No?

[jade dust]

^

[dull ibex]

oh when did you start playing

[lost sun]

tomorrow

[jade dust]

0 Pokemon learn both follow me and wide guard

[tawdry urchin]

Day of release 😭

[jade dust]

Except Smeargle but we all hate Smeargle

[dull ibex]

of champions?

dude thats brand new to vgc

[dense latch]

nah i’ve seen him before in the server

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah?

[foggy cloak]

Just learned how useful Protean can be earlier today

[dense latch]

he was trying to make lugia work i think

[jade dust]

No wonder he doesn’t know anything

[dull ibex]

ok so you don't know what you are talking about

[jade dust]

^

[dull ibex]

I mean tbf I don't either

im not wolfe

[zinc edge]

Anyone wanna help me play test on champions

[dull ibex]

sure are you new?

[tawdry urchin]

??? Oh I started playing champions the day of release like everyone else so that means I'm a new gen 💔

[lost sun]

vgc been around before champs

[jade dust]

Tbh I think the best way to test is jump on ranked

[zinc edge]

@dull ibex not new just trying to test a new team and get some tips about some stuff I may have missed

[dull ibex]

are you?

[dull ibex]

sure ill battle you sure i could use practice

[dull ibex]

oh i see the confusion

[tawdry urchin]

No I thought that was obvious 😭😭😭

[dull ibex]

when did you get into vgc

[zinc edge]

@dull ibex alr I posted the room code in battle stadium

[lost sun]

u asked if he's new to vgc the first time not to champs

[tawdry urchin]

Idk I've mainly been playing singles for years. Doubles is usually boring and overwhelming

[dull ibex]

Oh ok so you are inexperienced

[jade dust]

Ok singles is a completely different game

[dull ibex]

why are you trying to educate us and calling us dumbasses lmao

[jade dust]

In singles stall actually works

In doubles that doesn’t work

That’s why Skarmory, Gliscor and such are terrible in doubles

[tawdry urchin]

No, I know a lot about doubles I just haven't played it outside showdown till now

[dull ibex]

still just don't be toxic in the future

[lost sun]

so u know a lot about doubles and still think perish trap is as simple as fake out protect and sub

[jade dust]

lol

[tawdry urchin]

Well yeah why can't it be?

It's predictable what Mon is going to attack what

[jade dust]

You have 2 opponents to worry about

Also perish trap Gengar has to be slow or you can’t invest in bulk

[lost sun]

arguably the best player in the world who is also the only player with success in perish trap says it's the hardest strategy

[jade dust]

And in perish song, the slower Pokemon faint last

So you want to be slow and bulky which means you’re likely getting hit before substitute

[tawdry urchin]

You always switch out before perish lands?

[jade dust]

There will be many situations when you’re on your last 2 as well

And all will faint

[zinc edge]

@dull ibex how did you paralyze lol

[dull ibex]

dire claw has a 30? percent chance to paralyze posion or burn

[jade dust]

https://youtu.be/Jbs8Yk851_8?si=HOu5lxyx5gqQ3tYr

[dull ibex]

forgive me I Don't know what im doing against tr

[jade dust]

https://youtu.be/MFmI5O8974Q?si=CP-cKO6QIlUwbCwU

@tawdry urchin watch those 2 videos

[tawdry urchin]

Playing perish song was just an IDEA anyways, trick room is garbage and easily come countered so I wanted to play something else.

[jade dust]

“Hardest strategy”

Trick room is good wdym

[lost sun]

kinda mid rn

[jade dust]

If you’re struggling with trick room you’ll flop with perish song

[lost sun]

but usually it's good

[dull ibex]

trick room is pretty good

[zinc edge]

@dull ibex NGL bruh you getting double status turn 1 screwed me 🤣

[dull ibex]

you had this game if i didn't

[jade dust]

Ok look at it this way, why is trick room hard? Because you need to set it up right? Exactly the same thing that perish

[zinc edge]

I think I did too 😂 can't say for sure tho @dull ibex

[jade dust]

But way harder

[tawdry urchin]

Trick room Mon can just get hit with 2 attacks, protect is op af against it with no real counters, charizard Y screws me over.

[dull ibex]

how does zard y screw you over btw?

[lost sun]

use a strong rock move

[jade dust]

Charizard Y will screw you harder if you play perish trap

[steady linden]

Just had a match where it was a 2v1, but I know I couldnt knock out the fully healthy Mega Froslass against my 3% Froslass Mega and a 15% sinistcha, so I used Destiny Bond, the enemy Froslass knocked out my Froslass and Sinistcha, but since D-Bond activated before sinistcha was down, I won even though all Pokemon on the field were knocked out.

I feel bad for the guy who lost like that

[jade dust]

@tawdry urchin ^

[lost sun]

rock tomb from crab deffo 1 shots char y

[tawdry urchin]

Trick room Mon just dies instantly there's none that resit or tank zard Y

[jade dust]

Camerupt

[dull ibex]

my zard isnt killing a mimikyu

[lost sun]

drampa resists and turns off the sun

[zinc edge]

Mimikyu lmfao 🤣

Mimikyu tanks everything once

[steady linden]

Unless Mold Breaker

[supple latch]

Alright, I have replaced the Toilet Bird with Garchcomp

[lost sun]

also farig survives char y

[supple latch]

How tanky is Farig?

[tawdry urchin]

And with perish I have a Mon that can wall or fake out for genegar to it up. For trick room I NEED crab to out before trick room is set up where I just protect

[supple latch]

If it can to dthat?

[dull ibex]

YES

[dull ibex]

I WIN

[lost sun]

high hp average spdf

[tawdry urchin]

Doesn't learn trick room

[lost sun]

farig

[jade dust]

No you just have to pivot or make something faint so you can switch crab in

[jade dust]

Synescha for example

[lost sun]

fake out helps set up tr

[tawdry urchin]

That's just a waste 😭

[jade dust]

Rage powder so it’s forced to faint and switch crab in

[supple latch]

So that can survive an attack from a base 159 sp. atk stat move?

[sudden remnant]

ROCK TOMB?? TS IS 60 BASE POWER

[lost sun]

ye I've hit farigs and they survive

[supple latch]

Damn

[lost sun]

4x weak and mega crab has high attack

[tawdry urchin]

The humble zard Y with heat wave:

[jade dust]

I train my Farig all in bulk

[lost sun]

a sneasler one shots it with the same move

[sudden remnant]

that is if you can get tr up

otherwise you just kinda die, no?

[lost sun]

ye

[steady linden]

Mimkyu is one of the best for TR

[sudden remnant]

i use mimikyu 😄

[jade dust]

I’ll use your own words against you. “JuSt UsE wIdE gUaRd”

[lost sun]

incin farig is very likely to set up tr

[tawdry urchin]

Mimikyu is a bad trick room Mon anyways. Too fast

[dull ibex]

its a really good setter

[sudden remnant]

its great for setting the tr tho

[steady linden]

In getting to Master Rank I have only seen Wide Guard be used ONCE by an Araquinid

[jade dust]

I’ll use your own words against you. “JuSt UsE fAkE oUt”

^

[jade dust]

But he was arguing wide guard and fake out make perish trap easy to play

[steady linden]

Oh, carry on

MB

[dull ibex]

@zinc edgemind if i swpa teams?

[zinc edge]

@dull ibex go for it

[jade dust]

And not to be rude but who do you think has more credibility? The best player in the world and the only one to ever win with perish trap? Or some random dude in discord that is new to doubles

[tawdry urchin]

You're talking about 2 completely different strats btw that set up completely differently. Crab is the only trick room wide guard user and filling a move slot with just for that one matchup is a waste

[lost sun]

u don't need a slow Mon to use wide guard in tr

[jade dust]

^

It has priority

[zinc edge]

@dull ibex what do you think of the team tho any tips

[dull ibex]

no notes lmao tr kinda kicks my ass

[zinc edge]

Yeah I can tell your not letting me get it up and that's what the tailwind corv is for lmfao 😂

[dull ibex]

Ima going to use rain team

[tawdry urchin]

I didn't say it did? I need 1 Mon to set up trick room and for crab to survive a turn. Neither can use wide guard without something bad happening

[jade dust]

You don’t need to have crab out when you set trick room

[lost sun]

have u tried using 2 mons to set up tr

[jade dust]

You can lead Farig and Incin

[lost sun]

then parting shot Incin out and pivot safely

[jade dust]

Fake out and then parting shot next turn

[zinc edge]

Farig incen is a strong lead for trick room

[jade dust]

^

[lost sun]

only real counter is sleeping the farig but incin stops that or they have imprison tr which is very rare

[tawdry urchin]

Trick room users are built to be bulky if both survive I've given the opponent a free turn to do whatever and I've lost basically

[jade dust]

You can have Farig heavily invested in HP and Sp Def

[lost sun]

no

[jade dust]

Since physical attacks will be weakened anyway from intimidate

I mean yes because they are slow they usually have more stats into defenses and HP

[zinc edge]

Good berry @dull ibex

[lost sun]

not an instant lose tho

[dull ibex]

shell bell is bad btw

[jade dust]

With the current items available

I might see it being used lol

[tawdry urchin]

And if they use zard Y? I doubt a hp sp Def frig can live against a heat wave, sun boosted, stab boosted, 159 base sp attack heat wave 🙏

[jade dust]

Mine lives

Fake out Charizard then

[lost sun]

it does

[tawdry urchin]

It has like 70 base sp Def how!? 😭

[lost sun]

fake out the venusaur if it's there cus sleep powder

[lost sun]

high hp

[jade dust]

120 HP

[dull ibex]

@zinc edge that was rought but I think it didn't matter

[tawdry urchin]

Than I have no way to switch into crab without wasting a turn on trick room and risking getting obliterated by zard Y

[zinc edge]

Let me put a team together I've been scheming with and yeah you had this one my team struggles against the bridge @dull ibex

[dull ibex]

I got one more in me

[lost sun]

have smth else instead of crab

[zinc edge]

I'll brb @dull ibex

[jade dust]

It’s ok to waste a turn of trick room to reposition

You still have 3 turns left

And the harsh sun will expire at the same time your trick room does

[tawdry urchin]

3 turns of protect prediction 🙏 It fucks me over so much and even worse every Pokémon runs it basically

[lost sun]

have ttar on Ur team

sets sand and has spread moves

[dull ibex]

actually I think im done with private battles for now

[jade dust]

Rock slide is strong from Ttar

[lost sun]

safe switch into char y

[zinc edge]

Ok @dull ibex

[tawdry urchin]

Alright then what other Mon do I run? Im currently running mega crab, frig, hattenne, spiritomb, torkal and whimsacott (filler)

[lost sun]

y u got whims

[tawdry urchin]

It's filler from my day 1 team. Didn't know what to replace it with at the time.

[steady linden]

Whims is a pretty good Tailwind setter, it's faster than most Prankster users and I've seen someone use a Chlorphyll one get around on uses status moves on Dark Types, surprised the heck out of me seeing one use Charm on my Incineroar

[tawdry urchin]

Whim is useless in trick room teams though, best it can do is be a taunt, encore user and maybe set up trick room. Tail wind makes my Pokémon slower in trick room.

[steady linden]

Oh, didn't know it was a TR team, should've read higher, mb

[visual trout]

bro I can't get an eternal floette and I keep losing to it I need one for my team

[tawdry urchin]

DW! Just buy the $70 Pokémon game, 100% complete the post game and transfer it using home 😁😁😁

[steady linden]

Well you pay 70$ and 30 hours of your time

[visual trout]

i dont want to pay $70

[tawdry urchin]

How's floette an issue?

[visual trout]

its 150 base special attack with fairy aura and light of ruin

[tawdry urchin]

Yeah and what team you running?

[dense latch]

top 3 mega

[lost sun]

who's no2

[visual trout]

its top 1

[visual trout]

it was a buns team that I just used to get masterball but not much I could do against it

[visual trout]

ulta *

[dense latch]

at the very least i mean

yea it’s probably the best lmao

[visual trout]

there is nothing close to as good as it rn

[lost sun]

never had a problem with it

[tawdry urchin]

I mean just make your main team then. Not that big of an issue

[tawdry urchin]

Same 😭

[visual trout]

i want it on my main team

just trying to get one without having za is the issue

[tawdry urchin]

Welp get ready to spend that $70 and 300 hours of your life to get it 😃😃😃

[foggy lodge]

You have to trade with someone to get it

[visual trout]

i am rn

but now I have to get me a shiny wingull

to trade him

[foggy lodge]

Its not that hard if you have sv

[visual trout]

im doing it as we speak

[lost sun]

brb gonna get a shiny wingull to trade it first so this dude can't get it

[visual trout]

the goat

[tawdry urchin]

Do you HAVE to though? Do you like the Pokémon in general or need it for a strat or do you want it because it's op?

[visual trout]

i mean I guess I could just use slyveon

but Idk what other mega to use rn

my showdown team has it and its disgusting

[tawdry urchin]

Well what do you want your main team to be?

[lost sun]

char y is very good

[foggy lodge]

He just wants to use the flower bruh don't try to give him options lmao

[tawdry urchin]

Ultra and above is teams with strategies.

[foggy lodge]

Maybe he just likes it

[visual trout]

KIng gambit, incen. sinescha, basc, mega floette and a ninetails

i lowk could go sylveon and mega fros instead

[steady linden]

I mean I use one for my team when I got to Masterball, but I only needed to use it when my opponent had no weather teams, which were not often.....

[visual trout]

only thing I could think of

[dense latch]

that’s a decent enough core

[tawdry urchin]

I don't think those synergies well.

[lost sun]

froslass would mean 3 ghosts tho

[visual trout]

ye

[steady linden]

Yeah, a Sun setter on the same team as a Swift swim, with no rain?

[dense latch]

but you want something to punish ground and steel types

[visual trout]

well obviously adaptability

[dense latch]

basc gets adaptability and it becomes a threat with scarf

[steady linden]

Fair enough

[visual trout]

and also what sun setter?

[lost sun]

ninetales

[visual trout]

a ninetails

[steady linden]

Oh, you must mean alolan ninetails

[visual trout]

ye for veil

[lost sun]

a ninetales could easily be mistaken for 1 ninetales

[dense latch]

i would try chomp or something over ninetales because you get cooked by sneasler rn

[visual trout]

ye i see now

i mean what do you guys think I change in that team

[dense latch]

biggest threats to floette are steel and poison types

and chomp is the best ground type itg rn

[tawdry urchin]

Because the chat is more active than it was before, anyone able to help me with this?

[dense latch]

what does spiritomb do there

[steady linden]

My team that got me to Master was M-Floette, M-Froslass, Incineroar, Sableye, Sneasler, and Sinistcha

[dense latch]

like yea maybe gets a trick room up but i feel like it’s very easy to just ignore

[tawdry urchin]

Trick room user, rain dance for zard Y, hypnosis spam

[formal parrot]

Any one knows where I can get the Kalos starter mega stones?

[foggy lodge]

You have to transfer them from home

And they have to be from legends z-a

But i think its easy to get them from trades

[steady linden]

Y'know I was tempted to make a TR team with Spiritomb and Sableye since Sableye has Gravity, which means almost 100% accurate Hypnosis

[formal parrot]

How do I know that? When I went to the selection screen on HOME. All I can do is filter all Grens that can "travel TO z-a"

[foggy lodge]

Idt the GTS has a filter for that

But you can try to see if someone on the trades channel of this server can get you those

[polar canyon]

Won a small unofficial local at a con today

12 people total and one of them was a child

One of them placed 8 at an international apparently

And I actually lost to him at swiss rounds and never fought him again

[dull ibex]

I think I play better with nerfed rain then buffed sun @bold geode

[bold geode]

Cool

[dull ibex]

mega starmie is nuts

[jade dust]

What's the most infuriating move to use and why is it Hydro pump

[tawdry urchin]

Should I run regular or mega tyranitar for trick room?

[jade dust]

Mega allows you to reset weather

[clever root]

He FF after this

[tawdry urchin]

Alright, what moves should I give it?

[jade dust]

Rock slide, knock off

[tawdry urchin]

People still using fraudchomp is beyond me, it's literally free kills for me in za 😭

[jade dust]

The other can be coverage like super power,brick break, earthquake and so on

And protect

[clever root]

Tbf with all the flying types in the current metagame, scarfchomp does make sense

[tawdry urchin]

Alright tysm

[gentle crag]

1uk919 has given 1 Gen Rep to shrekers

[jade dust]

Welcome

[mighty stump]

Low Kick***

[jade dust]

Screens and aurora veil are common so brick break can be good

[wild stream]

anyone have clips of themselves using terrible pokemon for pvp?

[bold geode]

Garchomp is literally one of the top 3 non megas rn

[dense latch]

what does za have to do with how a mon does in champions

and yea it's arguably just sneasler and incin over it rn

[bold geode]

Yeah ZA is an entirely different game and playstyle

[dense latch]

it beats both of those too lmao

[bold geode]

And Corviknight at #4

At least imo, I don't know how it translates statistics wise

[dense latch]

it can wall a lot of teams for sure

[bold geode]

Corviknight goated

[dense latch]

but in statistics i doubt it's very high

[bold geode]

Probably not

It's probably like 10th being generous

[dense latch]

idt it cracks top 20

[bold geode]

Absurd

[dense latch]

https://munchstats.com/gen9championsvgc2026regma/0/Corviknight this is all i found

i cant be bothered to count to 20

[bold geode]

Cuz it's so damn good rn

[upper zealot]

corv is lowkey a goat

[dense latch]

https://www.pikalytics.com/pokedex/championstournaments pikalytics has a good one

it's 23rd i think

[dull ibex]

Monke tofu do you think I can improve this at all

oh my incin spread is different now

im running the incin from joji's sun team

I'm not finding myself bringing incin to alot of games

[cyan smelt]

When i play against sand I'm always gonna assume it's scarf ttar now

[dull ibex]

I was reccomended to run gambit over arch

[cyan smelt]

On rain? Why not farig over starmie to prevent sucker punch and fake out

[dull ibex]

starmie is the main abuser

If anything I Would replace incin with farig

[cyan smelt]

It dies to one sucker punch tho

[dull ibex]

then we replace incin 🙂

[cyan smelt]

True

Or just destroy gambit with sneasler

[dull ibex]

Having extra support could nice since im adamant basc

oh nvm im not adamant basc

[cyan smelt]

Incin and farig are both fairly common on rain

[dull ibex]

gambit is being added because my whole team apparrently gets rekt by basc

why replace arch? idk that part

[cyan smelt]

Yeah seems counterintuitive

[wild knot]

https://twitter.com/craigisswell/status/2043077239244197962

Craig Campbell (@CraigisSwell)

PSA: Mega-Floette goes from 2 lbs to 222.2 lbs, make sure to check your Heavy Slam calcs! (Mega Aggron Heavy Slam is 80 BP)

X · Apr 11, 2026, 9:22 PM

[cyan smelt]

How tf does a flower weigh so much

[dull ibex]

qwhat moveset on farig btw

[cyan smelt]

Helping hand might go hard

Do you want to prevent/reverse tr

[dull ibex]

I do im hyper offense

[cyan smelt]

Imprison tr then?

[dull ibex]

tr pyschic hh imprison?

[cyan smelt]

Might work, if you're dying too easily replace something with protect

[dull ibex]

gotcha

[lost sun]

u could swap HH with protect

[dull ibex]

maybe

[lost sun]

keeps the imprison up longer

[noble hatch]

you also end up imprisoning protect

so thats an added bonus

[cyan smelt]

Imprison protect tr psychic seems good

[dull ibex]

what is the best rain sweeper, mega dnite, arch, or starmie?

[vapid drum]

Basculegion, palafin, plenty of options

Subjective based on what you're facing

[red willow]

What kinda team does gyrados fit on

realized I had a shiny sitting in home lol

[cyan smelt]

Sand

[vapid drum]

Rain

[dull ibex]

Palafin 💀

And what already have basc as clean up

[vapid drum]

I proposed palafin if you didnt want 2 water move 1 ghost move and protect as your options

[dull ibex]

For basc?

I run 3 water moves and a ghost move

[vapid drum]

That also works, yeah

Couldn't tell if you're scarf or swift swim adapt

[dull ibex]

Scarf Adaptability clears swift

More versatile too

But yeah I need a pick out of those three

Mega Dnite, Mega Starmie, or Archaludon

[vapid drum]

For rain id go dnite

[dull ibex]

What move set

[vapid drum]

Hurricane
Protect
Icy wind
Roost

[dull ibex]

I'm playing doubles

Wait I can just look up what the most common moves or in game

[vapid drum]

Icy wind helps with speed control, roost can bring back multiscale, hurricane stab in rain

[dull ibex]

Draco Hurricane Thunder Protect?

[vapid drum]

Id swap thunder for icy wind or tailwind

[dull ibex]

We already have tw

[vapid drum]

Then yeah thunder can work as coverage

[vapid drum]

If you want faster games pump this team into showdown and test

You'll fight better players there too

[dull ibex]

I'm okay with playing in champions.

[cyan smelt]

so the sand teams with rotom and gengar generally have scarf ttar right?

[amber patrol]

I wish there was an option in the main series games to play with competitive formats. The Leon battle in swsh would be much more hype if it was a bring 6 pick 4 doubles best of 3

[whole ibex]

does anyone have an Incin spread for champions?

[south pumice]

I’m being funny and running perish trap sand team

[cyan smelt]

I can never tell if it's going to be mega ttar or scarf ttar

[stuck perch]

https://x.com/nehzzyvgc/status/2043151752656977991?s=46&t=KB4CVv355gDMDGNjhuVNuA

Nehzzy (@NehzzyVGC)

Get clipped :) (opponent had tailwind up)

▶ Play video

X · Apr 12, 2026, 2:18 AM

[red willow]

Wait so a bunch of people are running basc outside of rain now?

Ig scarf can give you the same speed as swift swim w/o using ability up

[cyan smelt]

Yeah scarf adaptability basc is fast

I found this cool teambuilder site, pokebase.app

[red willow]

People are just not using a steel move on gambit too?

is iron head not good enough?

[dense latch]

some are

with the rise in floette usage

[red willow]

I guess he kinda has 4 move slot problem

cause you prolly want sucker punch too

Wait blastoise gets water spout lmao

but its slower than dogwater

tr maybe?

[mellow jacinth]

Made a trick room team thats the only thing thats let me make any progress through ultra ball. Tried floette and had no luck, tried rain and had no luck, but trick room has worked for me as long as no one double targets my firagaraf, which I might have found a solution

GV24FVQYKL this is my code in case anyone wants to take a look at it. My EVs arent based on any calcs really just kinda put stuff into all defenses or any lacking defenses

[red willow]

Wish I could find a mega I didnt hate for my sneasler balance team

is delphox any good?

[mellow jacinth]

Have you tried froslass?

[red willow]

Not yet

[mellow jacinth]

Delphox might be good, I havent really fought it properly, I did fight it and one shot it with sucker punch kingambit with everything in defenses, I was doing mega hawlucha entrainment with guillotine which is why I had no attack boost

[red willow]

I kinda want delphox for the typing is my only thing

[mellow jacinth]

But, I would calc for kingambit probably

[red willow]

Already have a ghost in either basc or sinistcha

[cyan smelt]

i'm looking at a type matchup chart and i realised why i've been struggling so much lmao

3 weaknesses to ground when sand is a top archetype rn is really bad haha

[red willow]

I mean if I see a sucker punch mon with delphox out Id prolly either switch or something rather than die to a dark move in one shot lmao

[cyan smelt]

but i think i've figured out a way to shut down incin and perish trap

and hyper voice stuff

[red willow]

Right as you said that a team popped up with fairy wing sylveon pixilate hyper voice lmao

[cyan smelt]

i realised that gliscor learns throat chop which is a decent bit of tech

[red willow]

Is there something that outspeeds mega geng that learns it to not get perish songed in the first place?

[cyan smelt]

i lead kang to force em to protect, fake out the partner, set up tw then go hog wild

[red willow]

Nice nice

[cyan smelt]

it backfires sometimes because they pivot incin but if i throat chop it it can't pivot

and then they're forced to manually switch in ttar

[red willow]

Im seeing more kommo-o-oh-oh'ohhahh

Or whatever

[cyan smelt]

kommo-o is good, clangorous soul makes it extremely strong

i really hope throat chop is enough to shut down the perish trap incin + gengar shit

or if they lead gengar incin i have gambit in the back, when they go to parting shot kang i pivot into gambit

i think i just haven't been playing smart enough against perish sand

oh yeah and with throat chop i can shut down mega gardevoir too

and farig

and prim

[red willow]

why in gods name is this top cut team not running dire claw on sneasler

rock slide buddy?

[cyan smelt]

i need to check which mons in the format are running hyper voice and parting shot

how often are horoarks running hyper voice

[red willow]

Lol rn the top cut teams feel like random strong mons thrown together from like 3 diff archtypes

[cyan smelt]

surely prim is running hyper voice and not whatever these moves are on the battle data

oh yeah i can shut down politoed perish song too

bro there's no way incin is 50th in usage on battle data

[daring jungle]

thoughts on this team?:
kingambit
excadrill
ttar
aerodactyl
lucario
garchomp

i just picked up the gambit

[red willow]

you dont have to have everything not take sandsotrm dmg

in fact

[cyan smelt]

you should add a rotom and an incin

[red willow]

you need more type coverage

[daring jungle]

rotom?

[red willow]

wash prolly

[cyan smelt]

rotom so you can safely eq next to it and covers water weakness

[daring jungle]

fair

and why incin?

[cyan smelt]

fake out pressure, all around utility

intim

[daring jungle]

fair enough

[cyan smelt]

sand hates rain and you want to be able to intim basculegion

[daring jungle]

who would be dropped for incin and rotom (when i get one)

i do not own a rotom wash in any game

[cyan smelt]

drop lucario and drop gambit because 3x fighting weakness in a format where sneasler is everywhere is not good

[daring jungle]

yeah fair 🥲

i really like both of em

[mellow jacinth]

Orthworm has been terrifying, once it starts subbing everything its hard to keep up

[daring jungle]

if i get archaludon, would that be worth putting in?

[cyan smelt]

on sand? no

you already have excadrill

[daring jungle]

thought so

how hard is it to get wash rotom in this game?

[cyan smelt]

it's a gacha and there are lots of water types

do you have PLA or any other mainline game?

[daring jungle]

i have all of them, i just havnt bothered getting one of each of the rotoms

[cyan smelt]

you can easily get a rotom in sv

[red willow]

sv is easiest

dont be like me and try to do the auction for the rotom catalgue after you trade for an arceus

Do you want _____ PLATE?

naw fam

[cyan smelt]

at least i figured out why i've been struggling so much, it's because of glaring weaknesses into weather teams lmao

[daring jungle]

how so?

im struggling with my sun team

[cyan smelt]

i have 3x ground weaknesses so no wonder i always lose to sand

[daring jungle]

and i figured it might help me by trying another team

[daring jungle]

oop

[red willow]

Im getting kinda tired of rains play pattern I really just want to climb with sneasler balance but not having a mega Im cool with is holding me back lol

[cyan smelt]

i'm taking the approach of sticking with one team and troubleshooting as i go along

yeah it's so predictable, it feels like basc always flip turns

[daring jungle]

i just have little vgc exp

[cyan smelt]

do you use pasrs?

[sharp cobalt]

Smol bean

[daring jungle]

does flip turn get around mega gengar?

[daring jungle]

?

[red willow]

why in gods name does this empoleon and blastoies set have water pulse

[cyan smelt]

yes, so does parting shot and u-turn and volt switch

[daring jungle]

sadness

[cyan smelt]

and shed tail

[red willow]

did they not give water mons good attacks lol

[daring jungle]

nope

[cyan smelt]

pasrs is a tool to analyse your pokemon showdown replays, it makes it so easy to see what you're struggling against, what you face the most often and what moves you're using most

[daring jungle]

ah, i dont even play showdown much

i only use it to play silly games with friends

[cyan smelt]

you should always test teams in showdown first before you commit in-game resources to building a team

[daring jungle]

eh, its fine

is tyrantrum any good?

ity looks so cool

[cyan smelt]

no

slow as shit, weak to ice and fighting

[red willow]

Do you just waste oppos turn if you follow me with clefable on like a draco meteor or somethin

[cyan smelt]

and steel

yes

[red willow]

thats CRACKED

I didnt know if it worked EXACTLY like rage powder in dbls

[cyan smelt]

i swear ttars and gambits and archs are all running chople berry now

ttars are running either chople or scarf

[daring jungle]

is scizor worth running on a sand team?

[cyan smelt]

it gets nuked by incin so doubtful

only worth it on rain

[daring jungle]

sadness

[cyan smelt]

idk how to fix my sand mu

specifically perish sand

[red willow]

Is that a real thing people are doing lol

how in the world do those strats even complement each other

[cyan smelt]

easy, cycle fake out, prevent switching, then send in scarf ttar to clean up

[daring jungle]

do i get a second garchomp?

[cyan smelt]

what i hope is that by running throat chop gliscor i can shut down incin if i don't ko it

[red willow]

Sounds like alot of moving parts

[cyan smelt]

perish trap is a complicated strat

[red willow]

I prefer nuanced strategy

like clicking eruption or water spout next to a weather setter

[lost sun]

it's better than rage powder

[cyan smelt]

i bet now that i decided to run throat chop on gliscor i never see any perish trap or perish sand lol

or even mons with hyper voice

now what item do i run on gliscor even

i guess i could run sitrus

[red willow]

Is getting a shiny sneasler very difficult?

Seems like it would be lol

[cyan smelt]

not massively but you need to roll a massive mass outbreak for sneasel or sneasler

[red willow]

Its the only one of two shinies im missign from my theory crafted team

[cyan smelt]

oh wait i can't remember if they're even in MMOs

i reset the wild spawn

[red willow]

I think it has to be hisuan so pla only right?

[cyan smelt]

yup

[red willow]

Yeah that sounds godawful lol

[cyan smelt]

oh wait i reset the alpha spawns that's right

that sucked

[red willow]

Is blackglasses the go to gambit item? Finally evovled my shiny pawniard that I thought was trapped as one forever cause I misread the gambit evo method lmao

[cyan smelt]

honestly chople because you're gonna see a lot of sneaslers

[red willow]

Can you live a cc with it?

[cyan smelt]

from full health yes

[red willow]

Thats p lit

[cyan smelt]

same reason ttars are running it sometimes

here let me pull up the calc

[red willow]

I need an excuse to use this shiny gyrados too but I think he is secretly just worse incin

[cyan smelt]

32 Atk Sneasler Close Combat vs. 32 HP / 0 Def Chople Berry Kingambit: 176-210 (85 - 101.4%) -- 6.25% chance to OHKO that's jolly sneasler

so it's a roll

but i'm running coaching so it turns it into a 2hko

i'm a bit worried about mega blastoise water spout now especially since they like to run healing next to it or sucker punch prevention

and it learns fake out

[red willow]

Yeah thats the team I was looking at transitioning my rain team into just becaue I like clickign the big dmg aoe attack

[cyan smelt]

it's budget kyogre

[red willow]

tell me Im a tornadus kyogre player without telling me

[cyan smelt]

it's ok i liked torn shifu too

[red willow]

I like that sinisthca has a tr mode cause you can get them into a postion to trap them if you fake them out good enough with m blastoise at full health lol

[cyan smelt]

and sinistcha has life dew to restore it to full health for more water spouts

[red willow]

Yep

[cyan smelt]

i should look up blastoise's moveset because i feel like it might threaten gambit

[red willow]

I was just complaining that they were running water pulse for some reason

[cyan smelt]

probably kids

[red willow]

maybe lol Im sure blastoise HAS to learn a better water move

[cyan smelt]

hydro pump, water spout?

ok yes this thing does learn aura sphere

[red willow]

wtf lol

yeah Im gonna throw together a blastoise team real quick and see how it goes

see if we cant get up to any water spout tr shenanigans

Thats kinda silly

they had scarf pelipper tw on team to do their best tornadus impression too lol

[cyan smelt]

run farig so you can set up shell smash safely

[red willow]

lmao I could lead bulky sinisthca and m blastoise and just click shell smash and rage powder

[cyan smelt]

or set up tr for it

[red willow]

even if sinsitcha dies

theres a v real chance I can just send in pelipper

set up rain and wipe all 4 mons with sped up spout

[cyan smelt]

scarf pelipper with sinistcha sounds funny

[red willow]

Yeah its like a janky priority tailroom type thing

lol

(Give me my tornadus back gf)

[cyan smelt]

should i forgoe shadow ball on skeledirge and run torch song, sub, yawn, protect

that really sounds like a singles moveset lol

[red willow]

Yeah idk about yawn in dbls especially with the sleep nerf

[cyan smelt]

trust me it's good to force constant switches and makes them lose momentum

[red willow]

take 1.5 turns to only maybe get average of 1.5 turns lol

I mean dont people know sleep only lasts max 2 turns now

might as well try to wake it up imo

[cyan smelt]

it's been helpful to buy me time

sleep powder venu is still good

[red willow]

If it works then hell yeah just sounds sketch on paper

Yeah but they dont get off an attack with sleep powder before they fall sleepy

[cyan smelt]

i yawn their main threat to make em switch out so i have time to set up with gambit or something

or yawn incin after they fake out gambit

[red willow]

yeah incin seems like a real good sleep trgt since they like to pivot so much

high chance its just snoozin most of the battle lol

[cyan smelt]

stops gambit from eating a flare blitz too

yawn sneasler after a fake out to stop it cc or dire clawing into a9

kommo-os are soundproof right

[red willow]

Yee

[cyan smelt]

ok i never want to bring skeledirge against kommo then

[red willow]

Wait so komo can just sit in front of mega geng and not be threatened by song?

[cyan smelt]

yes

[red willow]

Thats kinda silly

[cyan smelt]

soundproof is good

it also threatens mega ttar and exca

and it's immune to hyper voice

[red willow]

hey I randomly have a shiny blastoise on sv lets go

what spread do I even put on this thing lol

max sp attck obv

[cyan smelt]

mega delphox kinda cracked

[red willow]

was thinking of using it for my sneasler balance team

[cyan smelt]

it's like rotom heat on steroids

damn, parting shot goes through king's shield

[pearl wind]

yeah kings shield only blocks attacking moves iirc

is a fair trade-off for the atk drop on contact tho

[cyan smelt]

you gotta be smart with how you attack with aegislash then

[pearl wind]

time for some single battles wanna hit masterball there today

[cyan smelt]

i feel like ttars are running low kick a lot

[lost sun]

ye

good for gambit and other ttar

[cyan smelt]

just go the nuclear option like that guy in the warm up challenge and run superpower lmao