competitive_discussion

[pearl wind]

hello hello

[formal parrot]

I am honestly glad aesla is here

[pearl wind]

im playing singles right now till i figure out what i wanna run for the thingy this weekend

the warm-up (?) challenge

[cyan smelt]

Always nice to have something mostly immune to fake out

[formal parrot]

Currently doing wonders with Mega Gyarados, Incineroar, Aegislash

[pearl wind]

oh theres more box space for ultra ball rank

[daring jungle]

Its a doubles format i believe

[pearl wind]

yeah but till i know what i wanna use for that im playing singles

[hollow latch]

How is ageisslahs in this meta?

[cyan smelt]

The team i entered is bad so i think i'm gonna get my ass kicked lol

[pearl wind]

what did u enter kalos

[cyan smelt]

Gliscor, gambit, sneasler, skeledirge, a9, kang

[sharp cobalt]

Idk what I wanna run yet...

[pearl wind]

whats gliscor doing

[cyan smelt]

Anti sneasler

Also anti ttar excadrill

[ocean pawn]

just run chomp

[cyan smelt]

Chomp can be cced

Unless i run scarf

[ocean pawn]

you don't die to it

[cyan smelt]

It still really hurts

I will trial replacing gliscor with chomp

[daring jungle]

I just had the funniest game

I had a full health venu and an opposing incin on 1hp used flare blitz into it. My venu holds sash

Then, at the end of the game, its a full health torkoal with light screen up against 1hp whims and 31%hp mega floette. The whims uses moonblast for about 20% of damage, then the floette uses light of ruin taking torkoal down to 45% but offs itself in the process so the whmsicott got hit with a silun boosted, charcoal boosted overheat at 1hp

[cyan smelt]

Surely you use weather ball in that situation in case it misses

[daring jungle]

I have overheat and eruption

[cyan smelt]

What are your other two moves

[daring jungle]

Alongside protect and sunny day for mttar or pelipper shenanigans

[cyan smelt]

Uh you should really not have sunny day on something slow like torkoal

[daring jungle]

Probably not

But, if i predict right, it slows the opponent down

I keep getting caught out by pelipper switching out and ttar mega evolving

So, by having it on torkoal, its guaranteed to have sun up at the end of the turn

Cause people dont targe lt it

[cyan smelt]

Have it on a prankster user like whims or sableye

[daring jungle]

I took it off whims

Im even considering swapping encore for TR so i can lead torkoal and just press boom

Whenever i need encore, theres always a switch or dark type

[cyan smelt]

Could work if whims is sash

[daring jungle]

Nah, my sash is on venu. Whims has mental herb

[knotty mirage]

Question do you need nso too play champions ?

[sharp cobalt]

nay

[knotty mirage]

Crap that's 8 dollar down the drain

[sharp cobalt]

[daring jungle]

Sadge

[knotty mirage]

Maybe if i read i can just use that money for premium pass but oh well

[sudden remnant]

i participated in the warm up event

[daring jungle]

It hasnt happened yet?

[sudden remnant]

and can i just say that any mega gengar player needs to be nuked

[sudden remnant]

it started 10 pm last night gang

its been live for 6 hours

[daring jungle]

Ah, i was at work then

[sudden remnant]

i quit

[daring jungle]

Irlt wwnt live at 11:30am for me

[sudden remnant]

mega gengar players need to be nuked for the sake of humanity

[daring jungle]

Which indeed was 6 hours ago

[daring jungle]

Understandable

[sudden remnant]

except wolfey hes chill

we like him

they had maushold gengar for unstoppable redirection the first turn then fuckin sinistcha to just keep it coming

[daring jungle]

Damn

[sudden remnant]

and of course they had incineroar

[cyan smelt]

What did the mega gengar do

[sudden remnant]

and of course they had the event wolfey marked one and it made me even sadder cuz i dont have one

[sudden remnant]

get access to shadow tag perish song

[pearl wind]

:(

[cyan smelt]

Ffs

Makes me wonder what on earth that mega gengar player i played was doing who just kept setting up subs

[sudden remnant]

let them cook lmao

[cyan smelt]

But it did nothing to gambit

[daring jungle]

Why?

[cyan smelt]

It only has shadow ball and sludge bomb/wave

[wild knot]

welp i won a competition double and error again

[sudden remnant]

huh its almost like its a ghost poison type huh i wonder why it cant hit the dark steel type

[wild knot]

idk if it counted XD

got a freeze from blizzard but thawed out instantly

[cyan smelt]

But like it kept setting up sub, i just kept koing the partners and removing the sub

[cyan smelt]

Stalwart time

[sudden remnant]

i dont have a stalwart mon on my team

[cyan smelt]

Spread moves

[wild knot]

i faced a zoroak then it used trick then i was like ohh its zoroark

[sudden remnant]

lmao

[wild knot]

well it was disgussed as another mon

[sudden remnant]

hypervoice and icy eind dont help me much

[cyan smelt]

Umbreon needs snarl methinks

[wild knot]

it made alola ninetales spam choice scarf blizzards.. idk if it was worth lmao

[sudden remnant]

i do need to give it snarl back 100%

i also think i wanna drop zoroark for ninetales

[wild knot]

you have to disgise it well

1 single move can reveal it

[sudden remnant]

i disguise it as my umbreon

[cyan smelt]

A9?

[sudden remnant]

yeah

[cyan smelt]

A9 is goated

[wild knot]

conkelder using trick? that was sus XD

[cyan smelt]

Everyone jumping on the mega froslass hype train but i still believe in a9

[wild knot]

i used both

[sudden remnant]

umbreon using icy wind is only suspicious if you are extremely knowledged in vgc

[cyan smelt]

(I just wanted to use my shiny)

[real prairie]

Welcome to VGC Austin John 🤣 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtr0yGFeMjk

[sudden remnant]

but yeah i think i eanna drop the scarf zoroark for a occa berry a9

[sudden remnant]

hi jack (day 2)

[cyan smelt]

Who has sash

[sudden remnant]

meow

[cyan smelt]

Uh i'd give it i think kaban berry or whatever the anti poison one is

[sudden remnant]

occa berry is for heat wave

[wild knot]

i faced a meow using toxic spikes out of all things. sneasler got rid of it though

[sudden remnant]

252 hp alolan ninetales with occa berry lives 252+ heat wave in the sun from mega charizard

[sudden remnant]

they probably just ran the default set the game gave them

[wild knot]

i hope so

[cyan smelt]

Kebia

[sudden remnant]

does NOT live weather ball tho

[wild knot]

i really hope its just my game only
everytime i finish a battle i get an error

the win still counts though

[sudden remnant]

i only get errors if i afk from my switch too long

[cyan smelt]

Try uninstalling and reinstalling

Vex don't @ me about my advice lmao

[sudden remnant]

jack did you register for the warm up challenge

what?

oh

[sharp cobalt]

Someone giv shiny Aromatisse

[wild knot]

i won my first warm up match

[cyan smelt]

What you using aromatisse for

[sudden remnant]

know what imma be a smart ass @

[sharp cobalt]

I cant hunt cuz work is hehcking busy

[sharp cobalt]

TR setting

[sudden remnant]

i have a shiny spritzee but what will you give me for it

[cyan smelt]

What about sneasler

[sharp cobalt]

Excellent point...

[wild knot]

i have one in a dream ball lol

[sharp cobalt]

Iit can tank

[wild knot]

redownloading the game

[cyan smelt]

I kinda feel like hopping on champions now

Woah it's slower than crab

[cyan smelt]

With intim maybe it can tank

[wild knot]

i really do need a mon in my team thats good in trick room

[cyan smelt]

Crab

[sudden remnant]

gang just use hatterene its like better in every way

aromatisse is just hatterene at home

[cyan smelt]

Woah why the aromatisse hate

[sharp cobalt]

But I wannt to usee Aromatisse

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/marcus-the-worm-marcus-campfire-marcus-it's-pissing-me-off-marcus-its-pissing-me-off-marcus-rock-gif-3003797320221769282

[cyan smelt]

Vex should i play randbats to prepare for the warm up challenge

[sudden remnant]

yes

[sharp cobalt]

Aromatisse gets funnny moves nglg

[sudden remnant]

prepare for the worst

[wild knot]

well rip redownloading takes forever

[sharp cobalt]

Sucuh funny moves that Idk which to use...

[sudden remnant]

i must spread the hatterene propaganda dont mind me but truly aromatisse is hatterene at home

[sharp cobalt]

TR, DGleam, Helping Hand, then either Protect, After You, Encore...

[wild knot]

oh sheet after you?

[sudden remnant]

after you could be really good

[sharp cobalt]

Even Heal Pulse!

[sudden remnant]

i might try that myself actually (on hatterene of course not aromatisse)

i do have a shiny spritzee in za but what would you even trade for a shiny spritzee lmao

[sharp cobalt]

I dont want yours

[waxen dock]

0-2 in the new warmup challenge

[wild knot]

Turns out my wifi is so bad re-downloading champions is taking a bit

[waxen dock]

i need a better team for the gc

[sharp cobalt]

Who has time to prep a team amirite

[sudden remnant]

i went i think 4 wins and 4 losses

[wild knot]

I felt like there was some potential with that conkelder i faced but no flame orb..

[sharp cobalt]

Ill just make multiple TR setters

Yoloo

[sudden remnant]

i hate to do it but i might drop zoroark for a9 and meow for cotton ball i want my team to be kind of tail room

[hollow latch]

let me cook sabeyele with prankster willo

[sharp cobalt]

Wish I had shiny Audino...

[hollow latch]

problem solved

[wild knot]

Lol true

[sudden remnant]

and mimikyu will either be my tr setter or get replaced by hatterene

[waxen dock]

i hate this challenge

[hollow latch]

i love how sabeyle solved most stuff lol

really got try that mon out

[sudden remnant]

chat do yall have faith in me to run a tailroom team with mega aerodactyl umbreon hatterene a9 whim mega ampharos

https://tenor.com/view/slice-joshua-weissman-cut-cooking-vegetables-gif-19534398

for non tr mus i grab aerodactyl umbreon a9 whim and for tr i grab hatterene umbreon a9 ampharos

trust the process

[waxen dock]

now i lost to hydro pump miss

what did i ask excatly? to hit 2 hydro pumps?

[real prairie]

enjoy the rockslide misses bro

[sudden remnant]

i will in fact enjoy the rock slide misses

i wont have to worry about draco misses cuz amphy doesnt learn it

and i dont care cuz i wouldnt run it anyways

I dont wanna miss and i used up all my luck for the next decade landing 16 focus misses in the last 2 days

i landed 16 and only missed 4

and i was comfortable missing those focuz misses cuz they couldnt gain any ground on the positions i had at the time anyways

[waxen dock]

i need a diffrent team for the gc

[supple citrus]

Wait, sell me on using Sableye in doubles. I have a Shiny Sableye I would love to use lol

[sharp cobalt]

Thats about 80%

If you dont wanna miss rock slides, no guard Mawlucha

[sudden remnant]

im not using hawlucha

ill stick to aerodactyl

[hollow latch]

its a one if not the flexible support guys there is

gravity stuff for example

[wild knot]

so i just ko'd an arch with mega frolass blizzard crit and it made me win the game

no clue what the calcs were but my goodness

[hollow latch]

the power of not having assault vest

[sleek vortex]

What’s mons mostly go with ZardY? I’m think Venusaur or Whimsicott but they’d both want sash

[sleek vortex]

I need my AV back…

[sharp cobalt]

Life O-h.

[wild knot]

i just wanted to get rid of the rain cause well electroshot didnt expect to KO

[sleek vortex]

English please 😭

[cyan smelt]

Usually you'd run lorb venu but it's not in yet

[sharp cobalt]

Life Orb but its dexited

Life O-h.

[sleek vortex]

Life orb is never coming back. No orb chomp for me

[cyan smelt]

i think randbats is even more rage inducing than a gc lmao

[hollow latch]

dumb question but were can i can tipp the team code?

[wild knot]

Train -> Replica Teams -> build or share

[pearl wind]

showdown randbats?

really fun

[cyan smelt]

yes

[hollow latch]

thanks

[gentle crag]

shin_juli has given 1 Gen Rep to dubiousdelphine

[pearl wind]

iirc my randbats peak was 1950ish

is a fun format

[ocean pawn]

my plan for mega floette is to doge the mu

[cyan smelt]

What's ur team

[cyan smelt]

I'm not good at it but maybe playing champions has helped me get better

[wild knot]

https://vxtwitter.com/luixens/status/2042517635938586735

Luixen (@LuixenS)

If you want to know ingame how many turns of Tailwind, Trick Room or Weather are left without opening the Information Tab be sure to turn on “Show combat information” setting in combat settings!

vxTwitter / fixvx · Apr 10, 2026, 8:18 AM

[cyan smelt]

Woah that's an awesome tip

[sharp cobalt]

Thank you friend!

[gentle crag]

pocketpoof has given 1 Gen Rep to dubiousdelphine

[hollow latch]

very usefull ^^

[graceful scaffold]

team feels way better thx @cyan smelt

[gentle crag]

axolotlhat has given 1 Gen Rep to kal0sunleashed

[graceful scaffold]

mega delph added and garydoes added

[wild knot]

Hello? Oh its just delphox

[cyan smelt]

Oh you added gyarados too?

[graceful scaffold]

well the milotic i couldnt change the moves on lol and i wanted more support but also water+ ice moves

[cyan smelt]

And intim support

Oh and i think it has thunder wave too

[graceful scaffold]

yeah, i did HH, TW, waterfall + kings rock for the lolz and icy wind

[sleek vortex]

Modest or timid Zard Y?

[cyan smelt]

Depends what you want to outspeed

[graceful scaffold]

biggest threats are the elemental monkeys and mr rime, scary thing

[sleek vortex]

I’ll have tailwind 90% of the time anyway tbf

[cyan smelt]

I feel like there are a lot of base 100 mons but modest zard is a nuke

[sleek vortex]

I’ll run timid because I’ll probably end up with fake tears whims if I need extra damage

[cyan smelt]

It's like chi yu flutter all over again

[chrome knot]

imo its so underwhelming

[cyan smelt]

Golisopod stonks up

[hollow latch]

Hope thex gives us the dlc mons fast

Got a shiny for it and cant wait to use it

[cyan smelt]

I'm sure they'll give us the bugs once they fix the bugs

[hollow latch]

Salt cure only doing 1/16 💀

[cyan smelt]

If dire claw is now boosted by sharpness does that mean they're going to give it to other mons?

[hollow latch]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-lost-new-york-sigh-alone-gif-24949861

[sleek vortex]

Just wait until chi yu can be put on Zard Y teams

[next stump]

https://x.com/chefvgc/status/2042410823268675819?s=46&t=fDxHQLlKCKU_ddfszOAZ6w

chef / Ben (@chefVGC)

Now that they’ve fixed the ability to click fake out after the first turn, they should really remove being able to side attack your own pokemon. What if a new player accidentally has their Kartana use sacred sword on their own Stakataka that just switched in?

X · Apr 10, 2026, 1:14 AM

[cyan smelt]

It's redundant, similar typing, just wait til flutter can be put on zard y teams

Flutter and bolt

[sleek vortex]

Also I’ve just found out I can see what the popular spreads are in game. So I can EV my incin to outspeed most others without losing too much defence

[cyan smelt]

Zard no longer needs to worry bout mega starmie

[sleek vortex]

Very true

[cyan smelt]

Where is this info? Is it in the in-game dex?

[hollow latch]

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-gif-12639877674493562634

[sleek vortex]

In training. Go to battle data and go over to the format you want

[cyan smelt]

This means i can see how much speed invest mega floettes are running and speed creep it

[sleek vortex]

Not too keen on facing mega floette

[cyan smelt]

It's horrible

[sleek vortex]

Mega Lucario BP ig?

[cyan smelt]

I managed to beat one with my kangaskhan, i just kept faking out their basculegion

And cycling a9

[hollow latch]

Can it kill it?

Whihout any sw?

[cyan smelt]

Mega scizor stonks up

[hollow latch]

Fr

[sleek vortex]

Idk but it’s probably your best bet with it having calm mind

[hollow latch]

Only if we had metagross

[cyan smelt]

I'm more scared of mega scizor than mega floette

[hollow latch]

Didnt face a singel scizor

[cyan smelt]

It's out there

[hollow latch]

In rain?

[cyan smelt]

Most likely

[hollow latch]

I will definitly give it a try

[cyan smelt]

I want to try it too, it cooked my gambit

[hollow latch]

Cc?

[cyan smelt]

Technician boosted bug bite is no joke

[formal parrot]

Pelipper and Archaludon in the same roster

Might need to roll for it on recruit

[mighty stump]

This is like a non-issue

[cyan smelt]

ig i need to look at actual usage stats

[wild knot]

I missed 2 hydros in a row im crying

[cyan smelt]

hydro pump always hits when i'm playing against it

[wild knot]

I lost because of it

[cyan smelt]

that's the deal with inaccurate moves

[wild knot]

oh well blizzard freeze pls

[cyan smelt]

time to check actual usage stats

[wild knot]

I won

though blizzard spam

[cyan smelt]

mlass or a9

[wild knot]

person also tried to use fissure but missed

Fross

[cyan smelt]

mega froslass is ridiculous

[wild knot]

Tried to stall me out using salt cure / leftovers but i guess single target blizzard with fross is well

[cyan smelt]

where is usage stats again

oh battle data

this battle data screen is awesome

ok so mega floettes are going modest with 32 in sp attack and speed

do you think it's worth trying to outspeed timid

[sleek vortex]

I would

Someone might randomly run it

Or the common set might change as the speed creep each other

[cyan smelt]

nerd of now damage calc doesn't have mega kang in there

well i'm never outspeeding timid mega floette on kang even with max speed investment

[wild knot]

I may have forgotten but does ice types get hurt badly with stealth rocks?

[cyan smelt]

yes

[wild knot]

Agh

no safety boots

Or whatever they are called

[cyan smelt]

no way garchomp is running stealth rock what

that's gotta be bots

no heat wave on zard? idt this battle data is accurate

some of this is definitely bots

[sleek vortex]

What’s last move for offensive mimikyu? Probably either psych up for belly drum snorlax or shadow sneak
-play rough
-shadow claw
-protect

• ?

Or just run SD

[cyan smelt]

do not run psych up mimikyu, you're wasting two turns doing nothing

[sleek vortex]

👍

[mighty stump]

unironically this feels meh

crowded speed tier + poorish bulk, rsther optimise tbh

[cyan smelt]

has anyone seen the team where it's shed tail orthworm with mega delphox, sneasler and garchomp

lowkey cooking

[cyan smelt]

why is everyone running perish trap

[sleek vortex]

Wolfey has done irreparable damage to the vgc community lol

[cyan smelt]

lots of interesting teams, it'd be cool if someone did a week 1 summary of the meta

[hollow latch]

cant wait for the perish video

how long will it take for wolfey to make one xD

[cyan smelt]

wolfe is an innovator though

good to know that chople berry on gambit doesn't do shit

[sleek vortex]

It’s quad weak tbf

[cyan smelt]

this person is cooking, white herb scale shot dnite

with low kick gambit

dunno what item on the sneasler then

also mega delphox hits hard

[sleek vortex]

Probably sash if I had to guess

[cyan smelt]

lum berry chomp is cooking too

[sleek vortex]

I mean it stops will o?

[cyan smelt]

yeah true

it's probably the best item for it

[sleek vortex]

Scarf chomp

[cyan smelt]

corviknight is lowkey most annoying mon this reg

[sleek vortex]

Yup

[cyan smelt]

i hate chomp corv oranguru

i'm bringing gambit kang every time

in fact i think i'm bringing that to everything except sneasler

i keep misplaying with stupid errors

at least it's only casual battles so i'm less likely to see mega stoise on ranked if ever

maybe i'll run into less jank on ranked

or i should give warm up challenge a try

[sleek vortex]

+4 gambit sucker punch does like 40% to incin. This mon is so broken

[cyan smelt]

i love gambit sm

it's my lynchpin

did king's shield get a buff? it lowers attack now?

[sleek vortex]

It always has if you make contact

[cyan smelt]

haven't seen aegislash in so long, almost lost because of it

won my first 3 games in the gc

[sleek vortex]

It wasn’t in gen9 and was bad in dynamax

[cyan smelt]

next time i see aegislash i'm not faking it out and faking out the partner and setting up sd with gambit

[sleek vortex]

Seems logical

[cyan smelt]

i just played against a greninja and it took half health with blizzard on a9 then it inexplecably used counter and lost

i feel like all these sneaslers outspeed, do i need to go jolly?

[sleek vortex]

Max speed jolly is the most common

By far

[cyan smelt]

how is aegislash faster than kingambit

[real prairie]

hit MB rank, 29-9

[sleek vortex]

Gambit is only like 60 speed

[cyan smelt]

and aegislash attack form is 150 right?

[cyan smelt]

oh it's a speed tie with aegislash

i might need some speed invest lowk

[sleek vortex]

No speed stays the same what it swaps. Attack and defences swap

[sleek vortex]

Slow aegis is better most of the time. You get hit while in your defence form

Then swap to attack

[cyan smelt]

aegislash seems underrrated, can wall sneasler

[sleek vortex]

Aegis really doesn’t like incin though

[cyan smelt]

or gambit

[sleek vortex]

Tbf nothing likes incin

[red willow]

Jesus christ how bulky is chomp

[sleek vortex]

Does it get aura sphere?

[cyan smelt]

it gets sacred sword

[red willow]

It lived a 200 bp last respects at 1 percent lmao

[sleek vortex]

Off basc?

[cyan smelt]

nuts pokemon

[red willow]

Yee

[cyan smelt]

i'm glad to have aegislash back

[red willow]

Mustve had hp investment methinks

[sleek vortex]

Were you intimidated? Might’ve just been a super bulky spred

[cyan smelt]

can you SD + shadow sneak to ohko basc

[red willow]

Naw no stat drops lol

[sleek vortex]

Id think so

[cyan smelt]

so many good ghosts in the meta atp

[red willow]

Thats why Im thinking it mustve been p bulky

[sleek vortex]

Base 140 x2 with super effective move

[sleek vortex]

Incin stocks are through the roof

[red willow]

Am I crazy for thinking I kinda want dark stab on incin for this reason exactly lol

[sleek vortex]

I’m only running flare blitz on mine but I might change that

[red willow]

Samesies

[sleek vortex]

Knock off, fake out, parting shot, will o might be something to consider

[red willow]

Wait

[cyan smelt]

it lost knock off

[red willow]

It lost knock off

[sleek vortex]

Lariat then

[red willow]

Is throat chop anti perish tech?

[sleek vortex]

You’d have to outspeed mega gengar

Prankster taunt would be better

[red willow]

Wait gengar itself uses perish song?

[sleek vortex]

Yup

[red willow]

Didnt know it even learned it tbh

[sleek vortex]

It has perish and shadow tag my itself

[red willow]

I thought itd be paired up with a poitoed or some weird shi

[sleek vortex]

With encore and will o. Pretty sure it lost disable though

[cyan smelt]

mega gengar is a friggin nightmare

[red willow]

So people arent even like shadow ball sludge bombin

They are perish trappin? Lol

[cyan smelt]

everyone wants to be wolfe ig

[sleek vortex]

Nah I used an offensive set for a meganium check on my rain team

I’ve been waiting for a chance to make offensive gengar good a while now. It just got overshadowed by flutter in SV

[red willow]

For sure for sure

I wanna find a way to fit rotom wash on my balance team

[sleek vortex]

Probably something like will o, volt switch, hydro pump, protect

[cyan smelt]

will-o or trick

[sleek vortex]

Lower speed so it can take a hit, volt switch for a sweeper to come in safely

[red willow]

Im prolly rocking wisp have seen too many scary physical mons

[sleek vortex]

Scarf trick is a good answer for whim

You could purposefully use slower mons with a trickroom option to punish whimsi tailwind too

[cyan smelt]

mega golurk sucks don't use it

[sleek vortex]

You found it that hard way?

[cyan smelt]

just onetapped it in a casual battle with sucker punch

[sleek vortex]

It has unseen fist but poltergeist is non contact

[cyan smelt]

whyyyyyyy u do dis gamefreak

[sleek vortex]

It needs farig id imagine. Blocks sucker + sets up trickroom

[cyan smelt]

at least they gave it headlong rush, that's...something ig?

[sleek vortex]

Is headlong contact?

[cyan smelt]

oh wait gambit is still slower lmao so i'd be fine with kowtow and yes headlong rush is contact

[red willow]

Is mega meganium playable as a generic sp attacking mega on a sneasler balance team?

[sleek vortex]

Probably

Gengar shuts you down though

You could use gambit to threaten sucker

[red willow]

Yeah Im thinking of gambit

But

[sleek vortex]

Or scarf chomp but that leaves an ice weakness

[red willow]

Would it be too spicy cutting incin for h arc if I play gambit lol

So Im not doubling down on dark weaknesess

Also get the rock slide annoying side mode

[sleek vortex]

I wouldn’t drop incin

Intimidate + chopple should be enough to keep gambit up

[cyan smelt]

i feel good that i optimised skeledirge's hp stat

[real prairie]

Anyone got a good M-A speed tier list

I keep getting my Starmie killed thinking its faster than it is

[red willow]

Holy hell tinkatons attack stat poopy

Why did I never look at that before lmao

[real prairie]

run it with skill swap mega starmie lol

huge power tinkaton

[lost sun]

gigaton nuke

[red willow]

Thatd be kinda spicy ngl

Tinkaton gets swap too

And knock off

[lost sun]

can't wait to see this with an e speed user

[hollow latch]

what is mega starmie special stats

maybe we can cook something

[lost sun]

there's quite a lot around 102 110 and 120

[hollow latch]

i mean guys 130special is still good xD

does starmy get swap?

because if so we can cook something

[real prairie]

Yes

But also it resets after switching so could skill swap then flip turn

[hollow latch]

didnt know that. and if she switch it and dies after?

same i guess?

[real prairie]

Ey?

[lost sun]

just played against some dude with thunder punch Incin and ofc it had to crit when it was -1 atk

[cyan smelt]

was this in the online comp

[lost sun]

ye

[real prairie]

I'm already running scarf adaptability Basc, hadn't considered skill swapping onto it aswell lol

[hollow latch]

Ye that was my idea but problem would be speed

[hollow latch]

I think scarf barf atks first so ye. I mean we can switch the item

[real prairie]

either run sash swift with or scarf adaptability, both sort your speed issues

[hollow latch]

I mean adapt would be fine for starmie tho

[real prairie]

true

[hollow latch]

And build it special

[real prairie]

also true

[cyan smelt]

jack how's ur gc going

[real prairie]

Haven't started, will when im not working. its also not a GC haha

[hollow latch]

Nah meant more like u will outspeed starmie if i am not wrong so u wouldnt get the benefit from it first turn

[cyan smelt]

it feels like one

[real prairie]

warm up haha

which i appreciate tbf

[hollow latch]

Does Max speed basc outspeed a Max mega starmie?

[real prairie]

no

not without scarf or swift swim

id probably look at alternative options to basc, starting with 2 water types is harsh already let alone one of them wont be attacking turn 1

[hollow latch]

Garchomp?

😭

[real prairie]

Could be good, not sure it can give Starmie back a decent ability though

[hollow latch]

A physicall atk

[wild stream]

starmie could be run special

[real prairie]

Still would be good to get a good ability back though, swapping Huge power for adaptability isn't a bad trade

[wild stream]

yes

[cyan smelt]

maus, pelip arch is annoying

[wild stream]

you got surf and Hydro pump and good coverage

can basc kill arch

[hollow latch]

And psychic

[real prairie]

not sure with huge power

[hollow latch]

Maybe we are cooking lads

[real prairie]

but lets look at other options too

[hollow latch]

King Gambit giving it overload

I am trollinh xD

[cyan smelt]

maus, peli, arch, sneasler is so well balanced

[real prairie]

Huge power Gambit is evil lol

[hollow latch]

Omg mousehold 💀

Giving it friendguard

And using the item that flinches

[lost sun]

2 thunder punch incins in a row and when I checked it's usage wasn't on the top10 moves so its less than 3%

[hollow latch]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-gif-20530397

What is mousehold stats👀

[lost sun]

fast and smth like 70s in the rest

[cyan smelt]

i think i will play more warm up tournament

[hollow latch]

Damn nv

[real prairie]

maybe D'nite? swap huge power for multiscale and then turn 2 spam espeeds

[hollow latch]

Was thinkkng too

[real prairie]

no stab though

does starmie get sheer cold 👀

[real prairie]

ah guess not, could have swapped with machamp lol

[hollow latch]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-you-dare-dont-dont-do-it-the-office-michael-scott-gif-14178027

[cyan smelt]

how did sneasler live a +2 sucker punch

[lost sun]

it resists and maybe they trained it in some bulk

[hollow latch]

Sound dumb

But how about intim mon

[real prairie]

doesn't it x4 resist?

[hollow latch]

Get a double intim

[cyan smelt]

2x

[lost sun]

no

[hollow latch]

Like water tarous

[real prairie]

viable, Arcanine?

[real prairie]

oh no sorry was thinking Fighting not dark

[fiery nacelle]

is there any immunity mechanic for ice moves, or should Sheer Cold be able to hit anything under No Guard?

[hollow latch]

Plus in rain but idk stats

[knotty mirage]

Okay wth why does this games literally put me in the middle of battle when i disconnect

[hollow latch]

U cant hit the guy with the same typ as the okho move i think

[real prairie]

was thinking another e-speed user, plus mega starmie doesn't need to be a rain team

[real prairie]

sheer cold doesn't work on ice types

[lost sun]

isn't there just arcanine and dragonite rn

[fiery nacelle]

ty!

[lost sun]

both arcs ofc

[real prairie]

yeah thats why i suggested Arcanine lol

we are discussing who to skill swap huge power too with mega starmie

Gyarados could be good

[hollow latch]

Saw ir too

[hollow latch]

Sheesh

[lost sun]

palafin too if u don't mind 2 water types at the same time

[cyan smelt]

i hate sand, why do they need aerodactyl on a sand team

[fiery nacelle]

both arcanines! love the SpDef boost to H Arcanine in sandstorm

[hollow latch]

120 atk and then hughe Power

[cyan smelt]

i lost my first game because of aerodactyl and sneasler in the warm up

[pearl wind]

does endure into protect work every time or does the fail chance stack between those 2

[cyan smelt]

should have led sneasler dirge

[lost sun]

fail

[pearl wind]

what a bummer

[hollow latch]

And get two intm

[real prairie]

could just be Incin tbf, 230 atk incin could go HARD

[pearl wind]

thank you

[gentle crag]

amoransiia has given 1 Gen Rep to alexr8698

[real prairie]

people hated it before lol

[lost sun]

resets intimidate too

[real prairie]

and fake out gives Starmie a chance to do skill swap

[hollow latch]

Tbh ye

[hollow latch]

Ur cooking

Max speed atk Inc

https://tenor.com/view/i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-celebrating-gif-6529507804860980052

[real prairie]

haha or a bulky max Atk incin

[hollow latch]

Does starmie get ice Wind?

[lost sun]

yes

[hollow latch]

Ohhh yeee

[fiery nacelle]

Okay so what ability would benefit Starmie to receive, so it's still viable after the swap? Multiscale would be cool. Intimidate not so much.

[hollow latch]

Intim is crazy here

[lost sun]

intimidate does get activated again after the swap

[fiery nacelle]

WHAT

[lost sun]

so would weather abilities

[hollow latch]

Double intim and any phys attk does nothing to

[real prairie]

yeah incin and starmie work great tbf

[lost sun]

could be great with ttar too

[hollow latch]

Boaah and atk inc and Support mega starmy

Never thought i said something outrageous lol

[fiery nacelle]

Oh here's a Q: can Mega abilities be Skill Swapped?

[real prairie]

yeah

[lost sun]

ye

[red willow]

Im bummed murkrow specifically isnt in the game atm

[hollow latch]

Haluwcha does it rn

With no guard

[fiery nacelle]

that's entrainment tho

[real prairie]

entrainment is a little different, both get the ability. that would be better.

but skill swap is a good second

[hollow latch]

Oh my bad sorry man

[red willow]

Is it begging for disaster running whimsi and mega meganiun on the same team?

Is there even another decent tw setter?

[lost sun]

talon flame

[bold geode]

Took long enough but we're finally in Master Ball with Mega Chandelure

[lost sun]

nice

[real prairie]

thunderwave skill swap flip turn psychic mega starmie could go hard

[fiery nacelle]

Skarmory-- slower but has BULK

[real prairie]

Welcome to the MB gang

[red willow]

Oooohhhh and gives me a potential second mega

And I dont have either typing yet

[fiery nacelle]

also gets roost!

[red willow]

Might be the call thanks

[lost sun]

and in future regs u could eject pack amoongus in to get starmie ability back the next turn if they try to attack it

very viable

[bold geode]

Skarmory is just a worse Corviknight

[red willow]

Does corvi get tw?

[bold geode]

Yes

Use Corviknight
Corviknight strong

[real prairie]

Rhyperior could be fun too, lightning rod Starmie

[wild stream]

why

[hollow latch]

Ooh ur right

[lost sun]

only electric types I see are thunder punch Incin and rotoms

[real prairie]

true

Raichu occasionally but grass is a bigger threat

[hollow latch]

The one thunder punch Inc on ladder

[foggy lodge]

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[red willow]

Ive ran into manectric a couple o times for lightning rod purposes assumedly

[lost sun]

2 actually

[real prairie]

unless you count electroshot arch

[lost sun]

found them both b2b

[hollow latch]

I guess everything to counter zarc

[bold geode]

Sir it's too early to be sending Raging Bolt IG edits

[hollow latch]

Zarz&

[lost sun]

I'm convinced when u get a winning streak the game matches u against people with random ass moves that counter u

[red willow]

Hmmm

[real prairie]

id say thats stupid but its equally as stupid as bots in ultraball rank sooo

[red willow]

Maybe I could forgo tw and just run tr with no speed invesment on any mons?

Mega meganiun and kingambit and rotom wash are not winning any races

Maybe farig?

[lost sun]

the thunder punch Incin has given me a 5th reason to use a high physical defence char y so now I'm doing it

[sharp cobalt]

Mega Chande

[lost sun]

these niche moves won't affect me now

[hollow latch]

The one torkel Player when tr gets Set for him for free

[sharp cobalt]

Insert rock move Incin here (idk if it learns rock moves)

[lost sun]

if it's rockslide I'll survive it

[red willow]

Clicking tr into a known torkoal would indeed be a move I could make legally lmao

[sharp cobalt]

Helping hand

[lost sun]

I'll just dodge ofc

[red willow]

No pincurchin is criminal

[real prairie]

Before I start playing the WUC any swaps for this team? (I've genuinely never brought gambit to a since battle in 38 games)

[red willow]

It was his time to shine

[cyan smelt]

just ran into the only dnite running fire blast, draco and e speed

[lost sun]

y heatproof sin

[hollow latch]

Low kick rather cleave

[hollow latch]

But that just me tbh

[real prairie]

Accident but thanks for spotting it

[gentle crag]

averagejack_yt has given 1 Gen Rep to alexr8698

[lost sun]

I thought about doing that since the only time I want cleave is against farig

[hollow latch]

Fair

[real prairie]

I get it but also, ive not used it once lol

[hollow latch]

But nice Team Jack ^^

[real prairie]

Danke

[hollow latch]

Maybe a other mega

[hollow latch]

Kein Ding ahahs

How do u know i speak german XD

[real prairie]

I didn't lol

i just like saying Danke lol

[hollow latch]

https://tenor.com/view/titus-warhammer-chad-space-marine-2-gif-10665446803840407692

I see

[real prairie]

tbf it was an accident but does heatproof not help with my sun issues lol

or does it get murdered regardless haha

[lost sun]

think it does

help

[hollow latch]

Btw could use rain Team with sciz mega?

[hollow latch]

Never played sciz mega so idk

[lost sun]

probably

[real prairie]

I had that before but again never used it

[dense latch]

what’s a mu you feel like you need to patch up

[hollow latch]

I dont like dnize so wanted to try other megas

[dense latch]

at the very least it’s better to have a mon you bring to one mu than one you bring to none

[real prairie]

I'm not sure tbh, I've kind of found lines into most of my MUs now

[hollow latch]

Sadly no mega swamper or metagross

[lost sun]

low kick on gambit would be helpful against sand

[hollow latch]

I mean just replace with a fighting typ

[real prairie]

I guess having a cleaner line into whims + Z-zard would be nice

[hollow latch]

Sneasler could be a guy

Fake out,cc for Sand and dire Claw for whim

[real prairie]

Really wish they had given us a new drizzle mega

[lost sun]

fr

[hollow latch]

Same

TR RAIN

[lost sun]

they had so much potential with the new megas and most of them have mid abilities

[hollow latch]

Imagine

I hope they dont fk up with golipod

And giving it a worser ability than emergency wxit

[lost sun]

they just give it exit

each time it's on the field it leaves

[real prairie]

Drizzle mega drampa could have been cool

[red willow]

Isnt tatsu water dragon they should give it drizzle lol

[real prairie]

Still possible, not been released into champions yet

Running it with Commander and drizzle could be filthy for rain teams

[red willow]

Its kinda dumb zard just gets final say in weather scenarios atm

They need one for sand and rain

[lost sun]

mega ttar

[real prairie]

Sand has one

[mental mason]

Whelp. Just one my first "Sucker Punch mind games" game. Got into a 1v1 versus Aegislash with my Mega Kangaskhan and it's only other move were fighting/normal. Thankfully they lost count of my usage.

[hollow latch]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-anguish-despair-gif-13915908866750092639

[real prairie]

So does snow

[cyan smelt]

will never happen, zard is gamefreak's fav

[red willow]

Oh ttar resets sand on mega evolve?

[lost sun]

only rain doesn't

[real prairie]

Rain is the only one that doesn't

[red willow]

Wasnt aware

[lost sun]

rain gets sableye rain dance ig

[real prairie]

Not to mention whims and no murkrow is broken af atm

[real prairie]

No TW though

[lost sun]

quash 🗣️

[hollow latch]

Sabyele mentioned

[red willow]

Think we get my boys

Bax and metagross next season?

[lost sun]

maybe

[red willow]

Ooohhh mega bax ability isnt revealed yet

He could be a snowjobber

[wild stream]

he will be independent of his ability

[red willow]

Naw I meant he could set snow on mega evolve potentially

[cyan smelt]

superpower mega ttar? wtf

[hollow latch]

Hope we get strapzor with contrary

Would be a Fun mon bulky mon to play with tw

[polar canyon]

I like how they made rotom wash actually the size of a washing machine but it's still jarring to see it be so big

[cyan smelt]

what are these moves man, superpower ttar, dragon rush chomp

and it's sand veil

[hollow latch]

I think ttr guy hates the mirror

[cyan smelt]

what is this shit

can't believe i'm losing to this jank nonsense

[fiery nacelle]

Hey, for Zoroark, how is Illusion handled? last mon in the roster? is it the same order on the foe's team preview? or is it the last mon selected of the 4 brought that it's disguised as?

[cyan smelt]

i can't get above 1520 bro, every time i lose to jank

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/mihono_suica/status/2042505803312304401?s=20

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X · Apr 10, 2026, 7:31 AM

Suica does it again bruh

[hollow latch]

Last mon selected

[hollow latch]

Basc scarf in sun interesting

[hollow latch]

Definitly a Fun mon

What are u trying to build @fiery nacelle ?

[cyan smelt]

wtf this sneasler lived on 15% they must be running some bulk

fuck this mega froslass just set up 2x nasty plot

this fucking sucks

tired of these jank sets

[fiery nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/touching-grass-touch-gif-21219969

take a break, bud

can't play thru tilt

[cyan smelt]

it's just frustrating because i thought it was a decent team then i ran into superpower dragon rush mega ttar chomp

[real prairie]

Oh FFS we already have a balance team 🤣

[light steeple]

Anyone wanna do a private battle rq for the quest? (ignore this i thought it said champions not competitive)

[cyan smelt]

nothing is going right for me

[high fractal]

is pelipper just better than politoed?

[cyan smelt]

now i've lost to iron head chomp

should have brought a9

but they had zard

idk maybe the team is trash

and i haven't put enough jank in it

[hollow latch]

depens?

ur playing rain or rain perish?

[high fractal]

rain with mega gengar with perish

[cyan smelt]

how tf did mamoswine outspeed sneasler bro

[knotty mirage]

Either tail wind or uh scarf mamo i presume

[cyan smelt]

that's garbage, i hate gc

[foggy lodge]

The only niche that Politoed has over Pelipper is the perish

Pelipper has a better typing and offensive coverage and better support moves

[cyan smelt]

i should have led double fake out

[high fractal]

i see, thank you

[knotty mirage]

Sadly this is just reality of playing on closed team sheet

[cyan smelt]

my goat gliscor beat it

it's nice having an immunity to fissure

damn, umbreon is bulky

has sleep been reduced to two turns?

[knotty mirage]

Yes

[hollow latch]

then u wanna play frog

[cyan smelt]

i forgot mega venu had thick fat

[hollow latch]

its bulky special and has perish song too

[hollow latch]

sorry for the late repsonse

[dull ibex]

I need a sixth for rain

[cyan smelt]

how likely am i to see mega venu or scarf basc

[pearl wind]

finally built a team

[cyan smelt]

megas feel a lot easier to deal with than tera

[cyan smelt]

how do i get the moves

[lost sun]

learn

[cyan smelt]

eh idt its moves are great

[cyan smelt]

it's not better than zard

[lost sun]

not even close

u can take away the sun and zard y does more damage I think

[cyan smelt]

i'd run altaria but it's slower than garchomp and sneasler

[dull ibex]

can anyone access the vgc repository

[red willow]

Need a generically hard hitting fast sp attacking mega

Anyone tried out zam?

[red willow]

Sinistcha maybe?

I cannot for the life of me figure out a good mega for a sneasler balance team lol

[dull ibex]

https://x.com/MattyiVGC/status/2042100357635981327/photo/1 copied this team

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I lost in t32 at the first tournament on pokemon champions @DesuVGC gg

X · Apr 9, 2026, 4:40 AM

[red willow]

Wait doesnt hydreigon learn tailwaind

[indigo coral]

Undefeated so far in the Warm-Up Challenge, on an impressive run so here's the rental

[cyan smelt]

well my team sucks and i blame jank

[mental mason]

Whelp. 8-2 for now. Will end the day over .500 so woo.

[cyan smelt]

it feels like it's not my night, i keep missing moves and getting bad rng and i hopped on randbats and the same thing happened

it feels like everyone is just reading me like a book

i don't know how to get better at this game

[sudden remnant]

my team has good matches and bad matches and i dont have the skill to accommodate for my bad mus

not much else to say

[cyan smelt]

i keep losing to jank and i don't know how to prepare for jank, how am i supposed to prepare for superpower mega ttar or dragon rush garchomp

and it's the same experience in randbats

everyone else seems to get it and i missed the memo

[sudden remnant]

SUPERPOWER MEGA TTAR??

[cyan smelt]

yeah i keep having bad luck in the warm up tournament and on randbats

idk this game is quickly becoming unfun

[real prairie]

I forgot to change my team for MUC

[sudden remnant]

for what?

[real prairie]

Sorry WUC

Warm up challenge

[cyan smelt]

i should probably give up on randbats for the night and accept i won't be good at it

[noble hatch]

just had a 3v1 comeback (with 2 of those mons on max hp)

feels really good

[sinful solstice]

My first two Warm up challenge matches people rage quit after I set up trickroom or refused to let them set up sand.

[pearl wind]

i just wanna finish with a positive record LOL

[sudden remnant]

ah

[fiery nacelle]

yes. this is a good idea for tonight.

[sudden remnant]

hey jack when i build my new team will you run a couple practice matches with me

[cyan smelt]

Ok i think i need to set a new goal of when i lose to unexpected stuff like superpower ttar i step away from the game and do something else

Also feels like i've barely seen mega floette but aerodactyl is definitely around

[dull ibex]

Need ideas for rain hyper offense

Balance isn't working out

We got Dnite Peli Basc and Sneasler

[lost sun]

archaludon

[cyan smelt]

Incin

[polar canyon]

Thoughts on mega gengar besides perish trap?

[lost sun]

I've only played against gengar ptrap so idk

[foggy lodge]

Probably top 5 megas

[dull ibex]

For ho?

[dull ibex]

Nah better on balance

[foggy lodge]

I think people just need time to actually figure out how to play it cuz shadow tag is a hard ability to master

[polar canyon]

I lost to one that wasn't becaue I thought it would be perish trap and tried playing gymnastics around it just to get hit by a sludge bomb

[lost sun]

ye and gengar not being very bulky doesn't help

[foggy lodge]

Its also good into Mega Floette

And Sneasler so its going to have its place regardless of what happens

[lost sun]

does it 1 shot guaranteed

probably not

[cyan smelt]

I was lowkey tilting when sneasler got ohko by scarf mamo

[polar canyon]

I think if sylveon lives floette must live too

[rustic mountain]

i lost to a perish gengar cuz of a double protect

[polar canyon]

I lost to a perish gengar because of 2 90 accuracy misses

[foggy lodge]

252 SpA Gengar-Mega Sludge Bomb vs. 4 HP / 4 SpD Floette-Mega: 254-302 (87.5 - 104.1%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

[polar canyon]

It's rough out there

[foggy lodge]

No it doesn't kill but Floette can't ko it back

[polar canyon]

That's if it's not a floette running bulk

I don't know if it runs bulk

[foggy lodge]

ive had 3 matches come down to opponents getting double protects i hate it here

[rustic mountain]

i literally was like come on bruh plz the last turn and then saw it go off i was like jfc

[polar canyon]

Missing the move that would kill their second mon and leaving 2 standing so they can't trap me and win

[rustic mountain]

also had a loss where i accidently self targetted cuz of the weird sensitivity move selection has

[dull ibex]

Okay added incin

[rustic mountain]

i barely even moved the joycon and it flips to my side to target lmao

[polar canyon]

Wonder if I could run a hybrid tr with mega gengar and drampa

[rustic mountain]

other then that i think 22-4 record so far ultra ball 2 atm

[polar canyon]

Nice going

[rustic mountain]

kinda hate it doesnt show win-loss just wins

[dull ibex]

Any ideas for a sixth?

How good is meganium

[polar canyon]

Yeah I haven't been counting my total games so no idea how many I lost

[rustic mountain]

it shows u total victories on ur profile, just not total losses

[polar canyon]

Probably ended with like 30-8 or something when I got to master

[rustic mountain]

solid

im thinkin tn i can make a final push to get there

[polar canyon]

Go for it

[rustic mountain]

then idk how this teams gna do in mball

[polar canyon]

From my experience mball is where you start seeing less of the meta and more of the funky shit that kicks your ass

Gets way less predictable

[rustic mountain]

also had a mega floette kill my mega dnite w/ multiscale w/ light of ruin, still won but that was insane

[polar canyon]

My mball rank up game had me twaving a mega floette to use eerie impulse on it and save my ass

[rustic mountain]

haha if it works i guess

floettes weird, i have a general idea on how to approach it but ive played vs it on quite a few different team comps. luckily only lost the first time against it cuz i just didnt know wat exactly to do lol

now its like, either chip it down and lower its speed and have something else finish it later or just nuke it w/ basc in rain

[polar canyon]

I won my first time against it because I actually had no idea what its stats were and how strong it is

So I fearlessly clicked huge power liquidation on it

[rustic mountain]

lmao

ive found if u incentivize ppl to click dazzle its much more manageable

still really hurts tho

[polar canyon]

Running roseli berry sableye for that and mega gard but that gleam still hurts a lot

[rustic mountain]

yea

[polar canyon]

Home box full already

Now realizing I never caught a crabominable in za

[mental mason]

Woo. Finished the Warm Up Challenge 12-3 atm. At like 1,669 when I exited so pretty happy. Teams got answers to most my problems, just gotta position right.

[lost sun]

just beat some dude without getting hit(he activated defiant lost his dragapult to a sucker punch and FF)

kinda annoying tbh cus he was using a sand team and I wanted to see how well lowkick works against it

[mental mason]

EQ kinda kills my team atm though.

[dull ibex]

Thoughts

[polar canyon]

Meganium set

[hollow latch]

Talked with someone about the hugh Power starmi stuff and we came up with an idea

(HYPER OFFENSE)
Starmie-Mega @ —
Ability: Huge Power

Skill Swap
Any water sspc mive
Psyshock
Ice wind

Incineroar @ —
Ability: Intimidate

Fake Out
Flare Blitz
Neck strike idk what the right Name in english
Parting shot

Garchomp @ —
Ability: Rough Skin

Earthquake
Rock Slide
Dragon Claw
Swords Dance

Dragonite @ —
Ability: Inner Focus

Extreme Speed
Dragon Dance
Earthquake
Ice Spinner

Gengar @ —
Ability: Cursed Body
Icy Wind
Shadow Ball
Sludge Bomb
Destiny Bond

Gyarados @ —
Ability: Intimidate
Waterfall
Ice Fang
Protect
Anything else

Triple Intimidate cycling possible
Incineroar + Gyarados + Skill Swap tricks
Huge Power + Swords Dance Garchomp = instant win
Dragonite sweeps with Extreme Speed
Gengar = fast disruption OR trades with Destiny Bond

[polar canyon]

Interesting

[hollow latch]

As long dont see a King Gambit ur good

[patent marten]

Just played the biggest fucking pussy I have had the displeasure of playing against, hit Fissure 4/6 attempts and stalled until it did hit. So fucking annoying I’m genuinely pressed rn

[hollow latch]

Just waiting for the meta guy to tell i am coping xD

[polar canyon]

I'm thinking about using starmie + gengar rn too but just abusing huge power starmie instead

Because that's still pretty strong

[hollow latch]

What i like about starmie is its has 130 special and a good speed stat

[lost sun]

neck strike is probably throat chop

[hollow latch]

So i doesnt matter if it loses hugh power

[hollow latch]

Ye german and english xD

[polar canyon]

You could also switch it out to get your huge power back

[hollow latch]

Ye

[hollow latch]

And get intim drop again

[polar canyon]

And skill swap on intimidate mons trigger it again

[noble hatch]

hmmm, need a good secondary mega, what would work well offensively against steel, dark and psychic types?

[polar canyon]

For all at once idk

[hollow latch]

Idk maybe scizor with cc

[polar canyon]

Wouldn't rely hard on scizor in zard y hell meta

[hollow latch]

But i definitly having a Bias so ye

[noble hatch]

zard isnt a problem for me

[hollow latch]

Ik but against the typ he mention its the first one that came up

[hollow latch]

U could go for the normal mega

[noble hatch]

need something more for like tyranitar, kingambit etc.

[hollow latch]

Kang

[polar canyon]

I think I'm just making my gengar double stab protect destiny bond

[noble hatch]

mega kang is pure normal right?

[lost sun]

kingambit with low kick

[polar canyon]

Yeah

[hollow latch]

Same

[noble hatch]

idk the mon im swapping out is mega lopunny

[hollow latch]

But got fighting move and hit twice plus fake out

[polar canyon]

Idk about stat spread tho

Wonder if I want max timid

[noble hatch]

and i just really wasnt feeling it, dont know if kang would be better

[hollow latch]

Ah isee

[hollow latch]

Could starmie abuse prankster?

Think about whim for speed control but i think scarf hugh Power chomp shouldnt have a Problem

Maybe sneasler with coaching

[hollow latch]

I could play tw dnite

[noble hatch]

fuuu- was gonna use blaziken but just realized he isnt in champions

[foggy lodge]

5-0 on the warm up challenge

[winter fox]

Please Pokemon Champions have the other Z-A mega stones tied with the subscription service and not in the shop. It would be the best thing ever.

[lost sun]

what stones are locked in the sub

[winter fox]

None, you can still get them in the shop. I'm hoping they put the Z Stones behind the subscription at least.

[tawdry urchin]

What's best champion's item rn for tankiness? (Spiritomb)

[foggy lodge]

y

[knotty mirage]

Either sitrus or leftover i guess

Or fairy damage reducing berey

[rare drift]

Wtf

Why

[winter fox]

Because it's an incentive and they're fairly new megas.

[rare drift]

Thats a genuinely bad take

[foggy lodge]

incentive to make the game more pay to win wujuu great idea

[tawdry urchin]

Sitrus can work, tysm

[gentle crag]

1uk919 has given 1 Gen Rep to vibez4420

[winter fox]

It was never pay to win. It literally said when you first booted the game up you do not have to pay money to play.

[rare drift]

But you wanna lock z moves behind a paywall?

[foggy lodge]

mega Floette is locked behind a whole game

[winter fox]

Dog what paywall. It's $6 if you really want to pay.

[rare drift]

Thats for the starter kit not the subscription

[foggy lodge]

"what paywall? * Exact description of a paywall *

[rare drift]

I'd rather not have a pay to win system in a official competition format

[winter fox]

Who is gonna tell him

[rare drift]

I can buy the game but locking game mechanics behind a pay well is the dumbest thing you can do

[winter fox]

I was talking about the Z Megas not Z Moves

[rare drift]

Oop thats my bad but I still think locking them behind a subscription wouldn't be fair to people. Im aware that certain pokemon can only be obtained by only having certain games but thats the way its always been long. Champions is supposed to be the format for competive so locking certain items behind a subscription is, in my personal opinion, the shittest thing you can do.

[lean storm]

does anyone wanna help with the 1 private battle quest

[knotty briar]

You still need help with the private battle quest?

[lean storm]

Yeah gimme 5

[knotty briar]

Alright

Just lemme know when you're ready

[sharp cobalt]

Nukeon

[bold geode]

Bad idea

That's a paywall

You don't want a paywall

[dull ibex]

monke are you at work?

[bold geode]

Yes

[brisk crater]

With the incin letting it get off a calm mind and offering a helping hand it’s busted. Ive also lead aroura veil and spammed calm mind

[sharp cobalt]

N u k e o n

Nuke is ON

[chrome knot]

honkshoo team

[brisk crater]

No fairy aura?

[dense latch]

that's after mega

base eternal floette gets flower veil

[dense latch]

wait that looks fire

how has aerodactyl been

[polar canyon]

The first time I faced an aerodactyl I was fully not expecting to see it in this meta at all so I thought it was someone playing off meta

And using like mega aerodactyl

[chrome knot]

broken

[dense latch]

i wanna try double mega and this feels like the best duo based on what i've seen

[polar canyon]

I thought aerodactyl was more used with sun

[chrome knot]

its used against it

[dense latch]

i believe it's used to counter it