#competitive_discussion

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foggy lodge
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with what we have rn its probably the best item for it

steep burrow
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idk what items to put for h arcanine and prim

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i thnik just shell bell prim and leftys h arcanine no?

dense latch
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def not shell bell

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healing is way too small for it to be worth it

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if anything lefties is probably better for primarina

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or mystic water

steep burrow
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i was thinking that

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but then throat chop makes that useless doe

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unless i do a different water move

dense latch
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do lefties then and give harc smth different

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the issue is arcanine lost its two best items in band and clear amulet

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so maybe something like lum berry or white herb

high fractal
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is mega starmie any good?

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as in one of the better megas, or even to be used over something like basc

steep burrow
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i feel patrick star is good

lost sun
lost sun
cyan smelt
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Surely it's good against all the mega zard y running around, can't be bad against sand either

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Holy shit it has huge power?

craggy dagger
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yeah

shadow wind
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We’ve known that since ZA

mighty stump
dense latch
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o true

shadow wind
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Bro still might die

dense latch
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32 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Shuca Berry Arcanine-Hisui: 152-182 (89.4 - 107%) -- 43.75% chance to OHKO with intim or some bulk it'll be fine

shadow wind
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32 Atk Garchomp 🥀🥀🥀

dense latch
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im gonna have to get used to it being 32 rather than 252 lol

shadow wind
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Wait that’s 252?

dense latch
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32 is max yea

mighty stump
shadow wind
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Freaky

mighty stump
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Btw @shadow wind rmb yesteday when you were talking about 1800,000 ranking or sth

shadow wind
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Yeah I found out it’s rating and not number ranks

mighty stump
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When I got to Masters, thats a decimal point

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Yea

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Lol

shadow wind
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Why is it 3 decimals 😭😭

mighty stump
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I was like is there even 1.8 million people that play VGC

shadow wind
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That’s why I was so baffled

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The rating means nothing though and I think it’s a bad system

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Imagine showdown but there’s no real time ladder and you only see where you placed at the end of the month

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Highest I’ve seen was 2k

mighty stump
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Eh its basically like the GC ratings

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Wonder what it takes to be Champion Rank

shadow wind
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Or even Masterball rank 3

mighty stump
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Lol yeah

dull ibex
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we are so back

shadow wind
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Like I wonder if it’s even coded in the game

dull ibex
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how is everyone liking champions

shadow wind
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Champions is fire but I wish they explained Masterball better

dense latch
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it's really fun

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much faster than sv's battles

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and im glad they're addressing the issues quickly

shadow wind
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Same

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And honestly I’m fine with the lack of items

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I think it’s a good way to bring back berries

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And the type chart actually matters now

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You can’t beat the type chart

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Not like SV

dull ibex
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I bought the starter pack

dense latch
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faking out something knowing it cant tera ghost :)))

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and wdym i can cc gambit and have it actually do 4x damage

shadow wind
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I mean Kang does that anyway

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No more changing colours

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It’s so beautiful

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Yo there’s a built in “competition mode” in champions

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For when you go to like tours and that

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That’s pretty neat

polar canyon
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Which I do miss

molten oasis
polar canyon
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Hey you're using incineroar

craggy dagger
molten oasis
craggy dagger
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lum berry…?

tiny karmaBOT
craggy dagger
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mega glim is fun

polar canyon
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Maybe you could use leftovers

craggy dagger
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adaptability goes brrrr BijouHappy

craggy dagger
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a resistance berry instead FuwaThink

polar canyon
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The dreaded charcoal incineroar

molten oasis
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Sini

molten oasis
chrome knot
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dunnooo just a fun trippy & hiking

molten oasis
cyan smelt
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I've never seen what mega glim can do because I've always ohko it before it can move, same with mega starmie

bronze quarry
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Is the game still down

cyan smelt
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Nope

mental mason
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Entered the Warm up challenge with this team. Curious to see how well I'll do as it'll be the first time I've done a tourney. Probably not well as I'm like 20-10(?) With it, but I can always try.

lost sun
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what did the maintenance fix

dense latch
lost sun
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thx

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guessing this shows when u log in or in the news section

foggy lodge
mighty stump
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Are we able to join the warm-up challenge mid way

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For some reason I thought the 10th was not today

mental mason
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April 8th 2026 02:00 UTC - April 13th 2025 01:59 UTC``` looks like it?
craggy dagger
polar canyon
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Fuming bc I lost to a crit

lost sun
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happens

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does mega starmie really get like +140 stats or was that just for lza

polar canyon
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Lza

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Instead it gets 100 base and huge power

lost sun
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ok good

polar canyon
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Still crazy strong

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Really wish it had a fighting move

lost sun
dense latch
gentle cragBOT
dense latch
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i really hope i can get to masterball undefeated

dull ibex
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How's this spread

dense latch
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idk how big the boost is but it definitely exists

agile robin
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Who has 0 IV rotom, gollet, toxapex, applin, klefki, and torkoal for trade? Getting really bad luck trying to catch one rn

dense latch
lost sun
dull ibex
dense latch
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i feel like most of the time you'd be better off just running sash timid

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idk if it's bulky enough to take advantage of lefties

polar canyon
lost sun
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in mega charizard y I should've said

dense latch
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im just running max max

lost sun
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same

dense latch
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196 def is overkill

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252 timid is a must imo bc of how crowded that 100ish speed tier is

lost sun
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ye

dense latch
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you could drop some spatk for bulk if you think it's worth but i havent done much calcing yet

lost sun
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like -11% of Ur spa but u do survive some relatively common attacks that people won't expect it to

dense latch
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i've just been spamming eq and heat wave and probably wont stop until i face stronger players lol

lost sun
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I made my venusaur super toxic

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quite bulky with acid spray left overs and giga drain and just fast enough to outspeed scarfchomp

agile robin
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I'll take that as a no then

polar canyon
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Found my first mega hawlucha gimmick team in ultra 2, just immediately one shot before it got to use entrainment

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This isn't that bad lol

tiny karmaBOT
dense latch
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that's why i asked for the team

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what's holding it

dull ibex
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whim

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This but with sylveon over torkoal

molten oasis
rare drift
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People do not understand Armour tail😭

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I know theres alot of new players rn but the amount of times that a priority has been shut down and they keep trying is crazy

lost sun
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I saw some guy try to fake out when I had farig out twice in the same game

rare drift
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Litterally what happened to me then they brought a garchomp and tried to extreme speed

molten oasis
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Bet

dense latch
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did you start with glimm as a solo mega?

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also it might be worth it to run timid glimm so you outspeed timid zard y

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tho you can kinda deal with it with the rest of the team

molten oasis
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But that core gets wrecked by whimsi zard sun

dense latch
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o ok i was about to ask what made you add the second mega

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makes sense

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have u played any ttar teams yet

molten oasis
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No

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Had Tauros for a while to help, but dropped it for Glimm

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Chomp Phox is my sand mu rn

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I’ve debated soft sand chomp instead of scarf

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Almost dropped gambit but I can’t really take on basc without it

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And gambit Delphox goes hard

cyan smelt
lost sun
dense latch
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it might just be me being paranoid about sand mus lol i had to add sneasler to my team so it was playable

lost sun
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I'm hardly bringing incin tbh

dense latch
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gambit

lost sun
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gambit has clutched so much for me

dense latch
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the original team creator also agreed it felt like deadweight

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i wasnt bringing it too much

lost sun
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did u have a SD set

dense latch
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and with the rise of mega floette i think sneasler comes in clutch

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yes

lost sun
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odd

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for me it's working great

dense latch
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not saying it isnt a great mon

bold geode
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4-0 in a tournament rn with Mega Chandelure

dense latch
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but i think sneasler patches up a few trickier matchups

lost sun
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with the team

sterile marten
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anyone able and willing to participate in a private battle for my mission completion?

polar canyon
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Losing to perish trap because of 2 90 acc misses must have been the worst experience of my life

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Straight up did everything right but there goes like a whole fucking hour of my life watching protects

wild stream
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can you guys see opp nicknames?

red willow
wild stream
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what's the best one so far?

next dust
polar canyon
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I think I'd get banned if I voiced my opinion on that

cyan smelt
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I was raging about it when I was playing last night too dw

polar canyon
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Not all bad

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Ultra 1 now

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Homestretch

lost sun
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just played against someone who bought both charizard y and politoed

cyan smelt
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Hmmm must be new

lost sun
carmine trench
torpid hearth
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I think i love scarf samurott

polar canyon
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What do you mean there's 4 ranks in master ball too

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Anyways I'm in master ball now

shadow wind
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What’s your rating?

polar canyon
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1.8m

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I don't know how rating works yet

mighty stump
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Its not million

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Its 1800~

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the last 3 digits are decimals

bold geode
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5-0 to 5-2 like an absolute chud

torpid hearth
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Y'know i kinda didn't realize how much i hate singles until now

polar canyon
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Well I can confirm losing doesn't drop your rank lol

mighty stump
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It doesn’t but your rating lowers

torpid hearth
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Aigeslash why must you do this

mighty stump
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@foggy lodge i got a calc’d Floette set

rustic mountain
polar canyon
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Going to rank 4 of master ball and the wheel bar still being there on the victory menu when you rank up confused me

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I thought there might have been another climb to master ball 1 before reaching ratings

rustic mountain
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is mball 4 the highest u can go atm?

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it just ranks ppl in that?

polar canyon
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Yeah seems like it

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Maybe I'll go to 3 if I win

rustic mountain
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i havent seen anybody b higher

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just different rankings

mighty stump
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Iveseen people up to 1900s still MR 3

rustic mountain
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gotcha

mighty stump
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We don’t jnow the thresholds atm

rustic mountain
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right

dense latch
mighty stump
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@bold geode how is chandelure atm

rustic mountain
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i thought even w/o that it was still not as crazy as ppl thought

mighty stump
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HAHA BRO MEGA CHANDELURE STILL DIES TO ZARD IN SUN

rustic mountain
mighty stump
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chudzard

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Oh I may hae missed the answer but like is it too late to sign up for the tournmaent

dense latch
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i havent gotten a proc yet it's just there to deal with floette and cc gambit ttar and incin

rustic mountain
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yea its a solid mon

dense latch
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there's a lot of options tho

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i've seen milotic in similar teams

lost sun
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even set up calm mind so mustve had 0 bulk

rustic mountain
rustic mountain
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basc/peli/mamo/dnite/incin/rotom mow

lost sun
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ah

dense latch
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this is how i learn mamo's in the game lol

rustic mountain
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mamos been cool

dense latch
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cool picks there and with rotom mow

rustic mountain
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gta try out a few new things haha

lost sun
rustic mountain
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tho ive used both b4

dense latch
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rn it's zard/venu/chomp/gardy/incin/sneasler

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i really wanna try mega floette out tho that looks insane

dull ibex
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I need to get a hisuian typhlosion im stuck with johto form

rustic mountain
lost sun
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just thinking

rustic mountain
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wasnt a lead i was considering b4 theorizing mus but now def something i might do

mighty stump
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Also mine atm

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Sylveon eats Iron Head/Dire Claw ezpz

rustic mountain
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w/ friend guard?

mighty stump
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just raw

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lol

rustic mountain
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oh wow lol

mighty stump
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2nd bump SpA then bulk

rustic mountain
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ahh gotcha

mighty stump
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with friend guard you turn stupid fat

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i think iron head is like a 1/8 roll

rustic mountain
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howve u been likin dnite mega

mighty stump
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Placeholder for Mench tbh

rustic mountain
mighty stump
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I had a politoed live HH Draco

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and i was like

rustic mountain
mighty stump
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ok

lost sun
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damn

rustic mountain
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yea ive had a few instances im like damn really?

mighty stump
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Its ok into Zard Y

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but thats abt it

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idk if its worth just doing Dragon Pulse for consistent chip rather than one urst

rustic mountain
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hurricane is nice for rain teams but even still like outside se targets the damage just feels like meh

mighty stump
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Yea

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and mind you mind is max max modest

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so like

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bro

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HAHA

rustic mountain
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mine is max modest as well budgetgachichamp

mighty stump
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I think Froslass is stupid good though

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Snow + FG you live quite a bit actually

rustic mountain
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gambit seems like a good partner for it

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cover each other decently well defensively

mighty stump
rustic mountain
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i wanna use mega floette but i wanna see how far i can go w/ mega dnite b4 running into any potential roadblocks

mighty stump
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I think Kingambit’s optimal set would be to run

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2 dark STAB + fighting for the mirror tbh

rustic mountain
lost sun
rustic mountain
mighty stump
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Yeah I never had an issue

lost sun
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I don't have a steel move on mine and it's doing great

mighty stump
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I think ironically no Dark move on Incin hurts

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but flare blitz has been fine

wild knot
mighty stump
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Like tbh just launch the hardhitting moves into resists

rustic mountain
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for gambit ur saying?

mighty stump
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Yeah

torpid hearth
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Love bright powder so much rn

rustic mountain
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black glasses def gna give u a nice boost

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+2 even more if u can get it

mighty stump
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Yeah

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The +2 KOs Zard

rustic mountain
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sucker im assuming

mighty stump
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and I have a lot of moments where I forced the switch do I could just cover slots

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yeah

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and in niche scenarios if someone runs Bulldoze Chomp

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i basically won off that

rustic mountain
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haha nice

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i had a cool win off sucker punch mind games vs a kang last night

cyan smelt
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I need to just fake out + sd sucker punch zard

mighty stump
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Btw i keep over respecting players and they don’t click Protect and I’m like bruh

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I forget we have a new influx of players

lost sun
mighty stump
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My Godlax team

rustic mountain
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basculegion not dying to sucker so i protected 4 turns and attacked w/ my dnite at -4 then hit em w/ a wave crash on the 5th turn as they suckered into my dnite at 90 hp and somehow lived wave crash brought em to 3hp then had a guaranteed win w/ double attacking

mighty stump
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Medicham the goat tbh

rustic mountain
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and they suckered the previous turn b4 my basc came in so they had limited sucker pp to work w/

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after the 4 protects

rustic mountain
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it was weird i honestly should not have won that game for countless reasons but cool to somehow pull off an obscure win

lost sun
rustic mountain
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i mean yea i was like honestly if imma go for it i should do it here

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if they get it fine

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cuz they couldve just been like if u keep protecting ill ko ur dnite, then click protect and normal move a cppl times, stall out ur remaining protect pp if u dont make that call either time and then thats just it

lost sun
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getting reads right is so satisfying

mighty stump
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mfw I predict then get RNG’d is devastating

lost sun
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my rng is so bad

rustic mountain
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it is but id rather not get those kinda reads right, id rather be in a way better position cause i didnt botch the mid game

mighty stump
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yeah

rustic mountain
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like im glad i got it but i looked at it like how do i not wind up here

lost sun
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I missed 2 heatwaves got confused by hurricane twice and had 2 self hits in one game

lost sun
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but mine had half hp so I lost

rustic mountain
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oof

mighty stump
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I think Fighting coverage is one of the best things here

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atm

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I need to go make a corvi team

dull ibex
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Copying a second plus sun at a large tournament

torpid hearth
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I love trick room so much

tiny karmaBOT
dull ibex
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Master ball tier is hard

cyan smelt
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Waitttt, the drampas i've seen, have they been running berserk or cloud nine because if it's berserk I can bring a9

bold geode
mighty stump
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no one uses drampa too

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LOL

bold geode
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Like I'll actually use base a lot against Sun because no Charizard run Scorching Sands and they never click Solar into you so your Chandy becomes untouchable against that mon

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It becomes entirely dependent on the side slot to kill Chandelure

cyan smelt
mighty stump
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inb4 ancient power zard from the mirror

cyan smelt
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Rinya sun flashbacks

bold geode
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No joke

red willow
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Is rotom wash good again

mighty stump
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its solid enough

red willow
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Thinking of slotting it on a balance team

bold geode
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Low power for a mega format, Rotom is usually good in lower power formats especially

red willow
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Does it have decent water stab outside of pump yet? Lol

mighty stump
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nope

red willow
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Whack

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Give my boi scald

tropic minnow
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Is every trick room setter running mental herb?

mighty stump
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its either that or like Colbur Berry imo

olive sonnet
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I figured out how to stop Nintendo Piracy in like 5 minutes! Anyone want to know the details?

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I just figured out that this isn’t general lol 😂 MB

sudden remnant
dull ibex
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Hi tofu!

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I'm getting my shit kicked in master ball

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Holy God

polar canyon
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As soon as I got to master ball teams stopped being the standard stuff

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Maybe low rating master ball is like the low ladder of high ladder

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I'm losing because it's no longer predictable

red willow
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Im getting tired of weather wars might go back to balance lol

polar canyon
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I like weather wars because I win them

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I don't like seeing other rain

dull ibex
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Update I'm sticking with the sun team

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But I'm dropping rock slide on chomp

polar canyon
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I started competitive in gen 8 and thought I liked tera

mighty stump
polar canyon
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Turns out I just dislike dynamax more

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This is more fun

dull ibex
polar canyon
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I thought I'd try to get master ball before a small tournament at a con this sunday

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I did but now that master ball is kicking my ass I'm not quite as confident

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No idea what the skill level will be there as it's not an official one

mighty stump
dull ibex
mighty stump
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what is even mball 4

dull ibex
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I've won once

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A single time

mighty stump
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i thought it started at 3

polar canyon
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I won twice one was a forfeit

dull ibex
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In about 5-6 games

mighty stump
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i might be mball 4 then lol

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im whaever you start at cuz I barely played after hitting mball

dull ibex
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Should I change my team?

polar canyon
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Maybe you just kicked ass the whole way to master ball and they put you straight into 3

mighty stump
dull ibex
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I don't think my team is the probelm?

polar canyon
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Id still be scared of rusty tofu

mighty stump
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I wish I could see how many games we’ve played

dull ibex
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I would be more comfortable with a more hyper offense tailwind team like I had for reg B in sv thougg

mighty stump
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then run Sun or NPlot Froslass tbh

dull ibex
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I am running sun

polar canyon
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I almost lost to a nasty plot delphox once

dull ibex
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I keep changing it though

mighty stump
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i think sun is so easy tho - zard y, whims, scarfchomp, sash venu

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then just like

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toss kingambit and sneasler on there and gg

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LOL

dull ibex
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I don't know what to lead into what is part of my probelm

polar canyon
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The amount of kingambit I'm facing spiked when I entered master

dull ibex
polar canyon
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Now I'm realizing the team is not as prepared for it as I'd like and my only semi reliable out is managing to land a hyper beam

mighty stump
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what is Garde and Raichu doing there

dull ibex
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I changed out for scarf on garde

mighty stump
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honestly you can also run dual setter

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Yawn/Helping Hand Torkoal

dull ibex
molten oasis
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There’s like, Rotom

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And Archaludon ig

dull ibex
molten oasis
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Or manectric if anyone uses that

sudden remnant
polar canyon
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I actually really like hyper beam sylveon so far it's kind of like sacrificing your momentum to get rid of a massive problem

sudden remnant
dull ibex
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I could replace raichu atp

mighty stump
molten oasis
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1/1 million (minimum)

sudden remnant
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Manectric no.1 fan right here chat (possibly the only)

polar canyon
dull ibex
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"HO sun:

Zard Y is a must right now
Hisuian Typhlosion is very solid, scarf eruption generally
Whimsicott for speed control, has manual sun if needed
Garchomp is solid for dealing with rock types (and sand teams)
Venusaur (sash) for sleep powder disruption and grass type damage, decent into fairies as well (not that you struggle per say but poison damage is useful)

Sixth is a little loose as of rn

Sinistcha can be decent but you're stacking grass types on the fire boosting weather

Torkoal can be useful for a secondary weather setter but is less useful for hyper offense styles (slow)

Raichu can protect your zard y from electric types and hit waters for super effective

Sneasler is another anti-rock mon that's also generally solid on HO"

molten oasis
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Guys anything glimmora should be outspeeding naturally? Currently doing calcs

dull ibex
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I was following this advice

sudden remnant
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tldr

molten oasis
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Mega

polar canyon
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I don't think I like my harc that much rn as I never want to bring it against rain but also don't want to bring it if I see gambit

polar canyon
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Or scarf weatherless basc

spiral zealot
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Mega Glimmora has a single higher point of speed than either Charizard Mega

dull ibex
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Tofu what does kingambit do for this team?

molten oasis
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And I have speed control and am looking for bulk

polar canyon
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Maybe outspeed excadrill in tailwind

spiral zealot
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Mega Glim has base speed 101 so it outspeeds everything with 100 which is like Palafin, Volcarona, Mega Gardevoir, Typhlosion, Mega Kangaskhan,

mighty stump
molten oasis
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Well, walls, if it’s not running scorching sands

gentle cragBOT
polar canyon
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Thoughts?

dull ibex
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I didn't want to keep searching for a hisui one

mighty stump
polar canyon
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It's what brought me to master ball but it's still kinda wip

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I thought howl would be fun but only actually used it one time

molten oasis
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Rn I outspeed sneasler at -1

dull ibex
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Lemme send my whole team

molten oasis
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And take it out with icy wind+ep

mighty stump
molten oasis
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Only thing worth outspeeding I think is zard y and, that’s it

mighty stump
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imo Scarfchomp with Bulldoze also provides speed control and is a sideslot w Zard Y

molten oasis
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Naturally, can’t think of anything else

mighty stump
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the 100-102 speed tier and 120s are so cramped

polar canyon
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Does sneasler run adamant bc I swear I calcd this rotom now to live a dire claw

molten oasis
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And super annoying

polar canyon
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Well every time my rotom got hit by a sneasler it was adamant then

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I'm gonna start expecting most to be

tropic minnow
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What item are most Whimsicott running?

polar canyon
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Sash

mighty stump
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Sash

tropic minnow
molten oasis
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Sash

tropic minnow
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Thx

polar canyon
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Dont expect anything else

molten oasis
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No cloak

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So, sash

torpid hearth
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Is mega clef any good

tropic minnow
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Scarf gigachad

polar canyon
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Probably not

molten oasis
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Eeeehhhhh

polar canyon
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I mean no one's using it so no one can confirm that it's bad

molten oasis
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it’s not floette so, probably not. Not the worst but using a mega slot for a support doesn’t feel great

torpid hearth
#

Damn, might just use primarina on my tr team since i need a fairy type anyway

tropic minnow
tiny karmaBOT
molten oasis
#

Not even half bad on it’s own but needs the mega, probably

torpid hearth
#

If i had floette i would def use it

polar canyon
#

Check mega

tiny karmaBOT
polar canyon
#
  • has fairy aura
torpid hearth
#

I would run lorb clef like i used to back in the olden days when that still existed

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But noooo

cyan smelt
#

Mega chimeco might be a good partner for chomp + deals with the fairies and ice types that chomp hates

tropic minnow
cyan smelt
#

Yes

tiny karmaBOT
tropic minnow
#

Cool

torpid hearth
#

Oh sick

mighty stump
#

Bronzong at home

torpid hearth
#

Damn

polar canyon
#

I mean it'll eat hyper voice and gleam but it's not saving the chomp is it

cyan smelt
#

True

tropic minnow
#

Steel beam

torpid hearth
#

Outclassed by the bell?

molten oasis
#

Couldn’t even get budget iron crown

torpid hearth
#

I wish the bell was in the game

tiny karmaBOT
tropic minnow
#

gyro ball

mighty stump
#

basically jut got more SpA and costs you your Mega lol

molten oasis
#

Because levitate, they said no to every truly potential mega psyspamer that isn’t pure psychic

polar canyon
#

67 hp

cyan smelt
#

Mega delphox is better for chomp

mighty stump
#

75/110/120 isnt much better than 67/116/116

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especially considering Bronzong can hold an item - Ig Chimeco can be more specially offensive

tropic minnow
#

Calm mind

mighty stump
#

But like unless you have fighting coverage its free Kingambit food

molten oasis
polar canyon
#

I wish it just had a new offensive ability or something

mighty stump
molten oasis
#

cough cough floette

tropic minnow
#

Calm mind
Focus blast
Flash cannon
Protect

Looking like a singles mon

molten oasis
#

Focus miss

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Just run psychic or smth

torpid hearth
#

Good ol focus miss

tiny karmaBOT
tropic minnow
#

Tera blast

mighty stump
#

if it’s single I have no opinion, I don’t play

molten oasis
#

Tera isn’t legal

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That coverage is uh, smth

mighty stump
#

i mean

molten oasis
#

It’s not bad

tropic minnow
#

Signal beam 🗣️

mighty stump
#

Where the hell is Flash Cannon

tiny karmaBOT
mighty stump
foggy lodge
molten oasis
#

WHAT DO YOU MEAN NO FLASH CANNON

molten oasis
polar canyon
#

Maybe outdated list

mighty stump
dull ibex
#

@mighty stump

molten oasis
#

I unfortunately always pick the suboptimal Mon, oh well

dull ibex
#

Any changes you'd make

mighty stump
#

like Fairy Feather

molten oasis
#

Lum berry chomp kinda cool

foggy lodge
#

Babiri is good for Archaludon

torpid hearth
#

Oh ew venazard

polar canyon
#

I hate getting hit by sleep from a sash venu

mighty stump
#

nah try that

dull ibex
#

All my stats are max max with 4 in both defenses

#

So do I bring zard every game?

molten oasis
cyan smelt
#

I am glad I abandoned coaching on sneasler

mighty stump
molten oasis
#

Maybe I could go cm phox

torpid hearth
#

Is there anything with rage powder

molten oasis
#

Sini

cyan smelt
#

Sinis

dull ibex
polar canyon
#

Volc sinistcha vivillon

torpid hearth
#

Good to know

molten oasis
#

The one format where sini’s meta because we don’t have amoonguss

cyan smelt
#

Rage powder stonks up without goggles

sudden remnant
#

i wanna try moxieboosted’s mega delphox mega gyarados team

torpid hearth
#

Thought venusaur had it for some reason

polar canyon
#

There's also maushold with follow me

dull ibex
#

Alright some notes I want torkoal here for the tr match up and I might replace sunny day on whim with encore

cyan smelt
#

Oh yeah vex didn't wolfey post a team

molten oasis
#

What’s rocking tr?

#

Like what do tr teams even look like?

polar canyon
#

Farigiraf like usual

molten oasis
#

Mega, drampa stuff?

cyan smelt
#

Crab

sudden remnant
polar canyon
#

Most of what I see is tr mode for sun teams

wild knot
#

yeah i won a match with a real person and i got errored did i still win?

molten oasis
#

It’s crab? Ok

torpid hearth
#

I'm using aggron and it's working kinda well

sudden remnant
cyan smelt
sudden remnant
#

i havent checked what todays video was im still winding down from work 🫩

torpid hearth
#

Sinistcha is working well for tr, but i may switch to something else to set tr

cyan smelt
#

Farig

sudden remnant
#

mimikyu

torpid hearth
cyan smelt
#

Spiritomb (lol)

sudden remnant
#

mimikyu

torpid hearth
#

Have one trained up and ready to go

#

Y'know that may not be the worst idea lol

wild knot
#

is there a champions damage calc avalible now?

sudden remnant
#

immune to fake out, will always live a hit cuz of disguise and can shadow sneak in the tr to still chip away

sudden remnant
torpid hearth
#

Use the free sub to set up tr and then just shadow sneak away

cyan smelt
#

And can wisp

torpid hearth
#

Yeah

dull ibex
#

Trick room has been set on me multiple times

wild knot
sudden remnant
#

and can be an endgame sweeper when the tr ends with like swords dance and play rough

dull ibex
#

And manual weather never once come up

cyan smelt
#

I want to try and make spiritomb work but it's always felt pretty passive

sudden remnant
wild knot
#

yipee

sudden remnant
#

at +2 shadow sneak will still hurt a lot of pokemon

torpid hearth
#

Yeah i'll try it out and see how it does

sudden remnant
#

i must spread the niche pick agenda

cyan smelt
#

I should at least import a spiritomb to see what moves it gets

sudden remnant
#

umbreon manectric mimikyu and meowscarada all must help me show people the light

sudden remnant
#

i can tell you for sure meowscarada would not wanna see that

wild knot
#

im still erroring maybe no more battling today

cyan smelt
#

Idt dark types want to see that

sudden remnant
#

umbreon eats it trust

torpid hearth
#

Should i just run adamant, or would brave be a good idea

cyan smelt
#

I'm gonna import a shalpha spiritomb to see what moves it gets

tiny karmaBOT
dire sky
#

sorry if this question has been asked a lot but do pokemon retain their evs when you move them from a mainline series game to champions?

cyan smelt
#

Yes

sudden remnant
dire sky
#

thats good to know. thank you!!

sudden remnant
torpid hearth
#

Now the big question is do i abandon the wall for like scizor or ttar

sudden remnant
#

use what you like gang

#

dont let this fucked meta stop you

torpid hearth
#

Yeah that's the plan

sudden remnant
#

strong pokemon, weak pokemon… you all know the line

cyan smelt
#

That karen line is ragebait atp

sudden remnant
#

my team is literally just my favorites in a team together

#

and it cooks

mighty stump
sudden remnant
cyan smelt
#

Vex i feel like every time i see your team it changes

sudden remnant
#

i keep updating moves

#

to accommodate for mus i struggle into

#

like youll notice a lot of them have protect now

#

cuz of incin and sneasler

#

oh and sand in general i hate sand

cyan smelt
#

Do u struggle into mega froslass

sudden remnant
#

no lmao

cyan smelt
#

What about sun

mighty stump
sudden remnant
#

mega manectric thunderbolt can ohko mega zard

cyan smelt
#

People really don't be understanding how scrappy works

molten oasis
#

Lass is on my list to try

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Lass is shit into gambit and zard tho which is rough

sudden remnant
#

also to deal with froslass garde has mystical fire meow has dark stab umbreon has foul play manectric has ft zoroark has bitter malice and dark pulse and mikyukyu has shadow sneak all 6 of my mons can hit it for super effective damage

wild knot
molten oasis
#

A9 my beloved

molten oasis
#

Shouldn’t in theory harc be solid rn?

sudden remnant
#

theory and reality are not the same

molten oasis
#

It’s good into zard whimsi venu stuff

molten oasis
cyan smelt
#

not good into sand or rain

molten oasis
#

Incin isn’t either

sudden remnant
#

it gets the sand boost at least

#

idk if that matters for it whatsoever

wild knot
#

didnt get any freezes yet from blizard XD

cyan smelt
#

i really need to clean up my home boxes

sudden remnant
#

chat do i play some ranked matches or do some more duolingo

wild knot
#

i cant play anymore the game keeps erroring on me

#

ill do more later

sudden remnant
#

try restarting your router maybe

wild knot
#

i have other games to play

sudden remnant
cyan smelt
#

hmmmmmmmmm

#

poison

sudden remnant
#

why would i be a poison trainer im not toxic 🙁

torpid hearth
#

Y'know now that it's a bit easier to test stuff out in game i feel like i'm getting a little better

sudden remnant
#

most specialists follow their types literally

cyan smelt
#

hmmm maybe water

torpid hearth
#

I think i am def gonna try out mega scizor on this tr team

sudden remnant
cyan smelt
#

i put way too much pressure on myself

#

and am brutal on myself

sudden remnant
#

fire.

cyan smelt
#

yeah i could see myself being blaine

sudden remnant
#

i think myself id be an electric specialist

cyan smelt
#

what personality types do they have

sudden remnant
#

of all the electric gym leaders are, in a word, eccentric

torpid hearth
#

I might go with grass

wild knot
#

i cant pick

sudden remnant
polar canyon
#

Gee I wonder which I would have

torpid hearth
#

Ice clearly

cyan smelt
#

i feel like you need to explain the personality types of each type

polar canyon
#

I think personality wise maybe dark

sudden remnant
#

😨

polar canyon
#

Not to be the edgy cornball most dark types aren't even evil

sudden remnant
#

they arent “evil” but arent against underhanded measures

polar canyon
#

Hard to say because it's relative

#

I'm not against breaking rules if the risk of consequences is low

sudden remnant
#

im sure anyone here whos spoken to me will know i am both eccentric and dedicated to my craft of niche pokemon

dull ibex
#

Alright what do I need on a rain team

sudden remnant
dull ibex
#

Suns not working out

sudden remnant
#

try out mega chesnaught trust

polar canyon
dull ibex
#

Just need to fill the last two

polar canyon
#

I actually really like prankster rain setting because it completely negates zard y if you catch it mega evolving

dull ibex
#

I hear rain is also easy so I'm going to try rain

sudden remnant
#

rain is strong

spiral zealot
#

you could try Peli, Arch, Basc, Sneasler, Sinistcha, Mega Gardevoir

polar canyon
#

It can be tough finding your playstyle

#

I think my favorite way of playing is just maneuvering the opponent with crippling and control

#

Fishing for openings kinda deal

#

Love stuff like sableye, whimsicott, redirection

#

Wisp struggle bug

dull ibex
#

I love clicking big buttons

torpid hearth
#

Man i wish mawile was in the game rn

cyan smelt
#

tofu is definitely dragon personality type

sudden remnant
polar canyon
#

I like making my plan simply be to ruin their plan

torpid hearth
#

Aggron is fun to squish shit but god mega mawile is fun as hell to use

sudden remnant
wild knot
#

blZ

sudden remnant
#

WHERE IS MY BABY

cyan smelt
#

u get tinkaton and u will like it

spiral zealot
sudden remnant
#

i also have klefki but its not the same

sudden remnant
torpid hearth
#

Oh god hyper voice

wild knot
#

AAAAAAAAA

cyan smelt
#

lot of special nukes running around

wild knot
#

and that flower

cyan smelt
#

that thing is a menace

polar canyon
#

I managed to win most times I faced it

#

Sometimes barely

torpid hearth
#

How do rentals work in this game

graceful scaffold
#

kalos is there anyone who i should go to to learn about eating dirt

polar canyon
#

What

wild knot
#

like team or ranch mons?

#

rental team you have to have that pokemon in your box somewhere

torpid hearth
#

Nvm my question has been answered

wild knot
#

oh..

polar canyon
#

At least it's not that hard to have them somewhere if you have mainline games to transfer from

wild knot
#

yummy dirt

polar canyon
#

Annoying that they basically made rentals harder to use but at least it's still better than training teams from scratch in mainline games with all of ev training mints bottle caps breeding and stuff

cyan smelt
#

basically u use ttar, excadrill, corviknight, rotom wash, garchomp and win

wild knot
#

i think i need to some how deal with entrainment shenagins

graceful scaffold
#

im using ttar and chomp and corv, but not rlly winning lol

cyan smelt
#

well do you have a team paste, maybe we can figure out what's going wrong

polar canyon
graceful scaffold
#

wait how do u paste? can u paste in champignon

polar canyon
#

Or prankster taunt

wild knot
#

blizzard spam yes

cyan smelt
#

take a screenshot of your team

graceful scaffold
#

oh lol

cyan smelt
#

what are partners to hawlucha so i know what to look for

wild knot
#

any mon that can have either fissure, horn drill or sheer cold

cyan smelt
#

the ice cream, something with horn drill?

polar canyon
#

Excadrill snorlax vanilluxe kingambit all coincidentally weak to close combat

cyan smelt
#

thank fuck for that

polar canyon
#

But if you see hawlucha expect the gimmick

wild knot
#

mr.rime has sheer cold

polar canyon
#

There's no real other point in using hawlucha

cyan smelt
#

i can sucker punch that mr rime

#

or fake out + sucker

#

Abomasnow, Vanilluxe, Excadrill, Krookodile, Mudsdale, Rhyperior, Garganacl, Snorlax, Torkoal, and Kingambit is the full list of viable ones

polar canyon
#

I actually lost to a runerigus next to hawlucha because I thought "why tf are they giving entrainment to that does it get fissure too" then just got baited by protect on lucha and my way to ohko it wisped

#

Then they switched in the actual fissure pokemon

cyan smelt
#

if i see a wisper i am using the full force of gambit

polar canyon
#

The full force of a burnt gambit is not as much as you might like

cyan smelt
#

most ghost types have wisp don't they so i just hit it full force t1

#

or fake it out with kang and sd

sharp cobalt
cyan smelt
#

do u like mr rime

polar canyon
#

I think I'll start a new team from scratch tomorrow

#

Want to have options for the irl thing sunday so I can weigh which of my teams turns out better

daring jungle
#

Aight, finally got home from work. Time to try and climb

polar canyon
#

What rank did you stop at?

daring jungle
#

Made it to ultra 3, went down to 4, then back to 3

mighty stump
#

I didn’t even jnow you could go down

wild knot
#

did you face bots?

daring jungle
#

That was my question

#

Or they are just that good

cyan smelt
#

really wish we could save replays

daring jungle
#

Yeah

#

Would help alot with asking for feedback

wild knot
#

ye

cyan smelt
#

would help with sharing bugs too

graceful scaffold
#

@cyan smelt

cyan smelt
#

anti synergy having dnite there, sand breaks multiscale

#

scarf chomp instead of bright powder, you want rough skin not sand veil

#

idt milotic should have king's rock, meme item

wild knot
#

just need to figure out what move for chomp to change protect with

#

for choice

graceful scaffold
#

dnite has innard focus and chomp has rough skin and is special lol coz im scared of archduladon

cyan smelt
#

hmmmm i feel like you could go a strong fighting type here

sudden remnant
#

this guy has a special place in hell his umbreon has toxic wish protect

cyan smelt
#

holy singles moveset batman

sudden remnant
#

i mean it is a 1v1

#

my umbre vs theirs

mighty stump
sudden remnant
#

and im losing cuz of toxic stall

cyan smelt
#

meme how about mega aggron on your team, don't eq next to it but you can destroy arch with body press

sudden remnant
#

kalos i think i might be cooked

#

i dont wanna forfeit though so im gonna spam moonlight

cyan smelt
#

other options i'd consider are maybe mega medicham, mega gallade, or perhaps aegislash

sudden remnant
#

mega medicham is certainly a choice

#

gallade could be good tho

graceful scaffold
#

hmm i havent got all my shinies ready or recruted much lol

cyan smelt
#

u could also use lycanroc like bwahacough, i think it learns CC

wild knot
#

figuring out what move to replace protect for chomp for choice scarf
Dragon Claw
EQ
Rock Slide
Protect (replace)

sudden remnant
#

poison jab

cyan smelt
#

wait i got it

#

kommo-o with aura sphere

graceful scaffold
#

will c what i can do lol

sudden remnant
wild knot
cyan smelt
#

now we're cooking, get a fake out on there to guarantee setup

sudden remnant
#

to hit fairies

wild knot
#

i already have sneaseler

sudden remnant
#

still

#

give the chomp the jab of poison

cyan smelt
#

does mega glimm earth power guarantee a KO on arch

sudden remnant
#

🤷‍♂️

wild knot
#

arch bulky or not?

cyan smelt
#

150 sp attack + adaptability

#

surely they're making arch specially bulky to compensate for no AV

spiral zealot
cyan smelt
#

damn, no to mega glimm then

#

how about sylveon

spiral zealot
#

i looked it up earlier its a 3hko if the arch is bulky

#

from hyper voice

cyan smelt
#

how about mega floette

spiral zealot
#

what fairy move does Floette run

molten oasis
#

Glimm does damage with rock and poison moves

cyan smelt
#

i think it's usually calm mind, dazzling gleam, moonblast, protect

molten oasis
#

Earth power isn’t gonna be all that powerful

spiral zealot
#

power gem doesnt do shit to arch tho

spiral zealot
molten oasis
#

???

#

Why are we playing Glimm into an Archaludon

graceful scaffold
#

im probably losing no matter what lol most ppl have actually played pokemon battles b4 i havent

cyan smelt
#

i'd honestly say mega gallade is your best option

#

all the other options are too slow or don't do enough

molten oasis
#

What are you looking for?

cyan smelt
#

something to deal with arch

#

waittt, another option is mega lopunny

spiral zealot
#

is there a reason we can't just use CC sneasler

cyan smelt
#

because chomp likes to eq

molten oasis
#

There’s this thing called, stomping tantrum

cyan smelt
#

does nothing into arch

molten oasis
#

Earthquake also does nothing into arch by that standard

cyan smelt
#

mega lopunny is another option

spiral zealot
#

conkeldurr also bonks arch

molten oasis
#

Eq and stomping tantrum are the effectively same BP because of the spread reduction

hollow latch
#

U want something that Hits special

graceful scaffold
#

i just dont like losing to arch lol

#

but also i should have one special mon right?

molten oasis
#

Cm floette, Glimm does ok damage to it

hollow latch
cyan smelt
#

ideally you want 2 special, 2 support and 2 physical

graceful scaffold
#

oooo

molten oasis
#

Personally I like 3 physical 3 special attackers

#

But that’s good too

graceful scaffold
#

i like incin and ttar and chomp, theyre my fav pokemons

wild knot
#

i won again and error

spiral zealot
#

pretty much any fire type or fighting type bonks archaludon
hawlucha, charizard, etc

hollow latch
cyan smelt
#

it's on sand

hollow latch
#

Ye Sand most of the time has only phy guy

molten oasis
#

Phox if you have weather control

#

Strong neutrals are good too

hollow latch
#

Mega delphox would be ur guy

wild knot
#

oh well the game says i won 4 ranked battles guess it counted

hollow latch
wild knot
#

still no freezes on blzard lmao

molten oasis
#

And you can play snow or sand with it

graceful scaffold
#

who is levi?

hollow latch
molten oasis
#

Levitate

wild knot
graceful scaffold
#

OH

#

HAHHAHA

tiny karmaBOT
hollow latch
gentle cragBOT
wild knot
#

lol

#

i had a match with toxic spikes well sneasler shook it off

hollow latch
#

Covers ur weakness for example fighting and Grass and could be ur second mega beside ttr

graceful scaffold
#

ill see if i have a shiny one somewhere

hollow latch
graceful scaffold
#

true hmm

#

hey kalos do u wanna give me a shiny fox

spiral zealot
#

i mean you could pull one from ZA to get the stone and then just use the stone with your shiny thats not from ZA right

cyan smelt
#

only one i have is from ZA

foggy lodge
cyan smelt
#

i mean SV

graceful scaffold
#

blocked and reported

graceful scaffold
#

wait can u save battle videos?

foggy lodge
#

"omg i can't wait to play champions now that the bugs were fixed thanks for listeninf to us!" Champions after patch:

wild knot
cyan smelt
#

i keep getting u confused with pocket poof because his name is helmeted hoppip

spiral zealot
#

no full replays

graceful scaffold
#

ah, i meant like the good ol videos like they used to let u save lol

foggy lodge
#

Nah you can't

#

There's no battle recorder that kinda sucks

#

It would be super helpful in a competitive game specially i know people who could record battles from regionals to review them later on

wild knot
#

i was like why did flower trick crit then i was like ooooh it does that XD

cyan smelt
#

oh wait no throat spray so clangorous soul on kommo-o kinda bad

hollow latch
graceful scaffold
#

i saw the top item for drama includes frosslassite, is this any good

hollow latch
#

Its pretty good

cyan smelt
#

meme already has that on corv i assume

wild knot
#

oh i see hawlucha

hollow latch
#

Plus can spamm billzard

#

So it can be Played in many teams so that why its soo good

graceful scaffold
#

no but how does a frosslassite help drampa lol

hollow latch
graceful scaffold
#

does it boost its ice moves?

hollow latch
#

Auro veil

#

Blocks physiyal dmg and special

graceful scaffold
#

no i mean on the stats screen the mega frosslass stone is 2nd most used on drampa lol

hollow latch
#

Ah drampa really?

graceful scaffold
cyan smelt
#

probably kids who don't know any better

graceful scaffold
#

lol oh that makes sense

hollow latch
#

Ye that wrong lol becquse 85% makes no sense

cyan smelt
#

should like 95%

hollow latch
#

That means almosz every game u face 1 guy lol PikaLmao

hollow latch
cyan smelt
#

that's cool they have the item usage stats now though

wild knot
#

oh lmao

daring jungle
#

Does mega gyra have levitate?

wild knot
#

no mold breaker

#

oh thier 1hko move of choice was fissue so i just baited out with levitate rotom

#

the 1hko mon died before it do much havoc

wanton stirrup
#

I swear I’ve run into a couple of bots

daring jungle
#

Does armour tail stop whimsi prankster?

wanton stirrup
#

But it won’t stop it from using Tailwind.

daring jungle
#

Aight, i tried encoring it

#

Also, i hit a whmsi to sash, then it got burned

wild knot
#

rip

daring jungle
#

How fast is mega fross?

sharp cobalt
#

120 iirc

cyan smelt
#

Is the fast unboosted mon in the format mega aerodactyl?

sharp cobalt
#

Mega Zam! :D.

pearl wind
#

curse pult is so stupid

#

i love it

formal parrot
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I think I just bullied someone's poor Corviknight with Aegislash

cyan smelt
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Did you wall it

formal parrot
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Just completely blanked it

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It can only use U turn, this is down to our last mons btw

sharp cobalt
cyan smelt
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Aegislash looks fun