competitive_discussion

[supple latch]

Yeah, you’re right

[shadow wind]

“Because it’s my favourite”

Like wrap it up bro 😭😭😭😭

[sudden remnant]

because its underpowered and needs whatever it can get

[shadow wind]

💀💀💀

[sudden remnant]

especially without choice band in the game

they took choice band away and now meow is flipping burgers for burger king

[cyan smelt]

it's not as washed as archaludon

[shadow wind]

Every physical attacker got nerfed by choice band being removed

And so many mons are terrible

[sudden remnant]

archaludon still has aura sphere it can still cover itself

[supple latch]

Though now that I think of it, what would be some good teammates to cover for the weaknesses of some ‘mons like Whimsy or Floette? Just something to try and look out for my team

[shadow wind]

Just because you like it doesn’t mean it should be better than it is

[sudden remnant]

they tried with its stats

[supple latch]

Can Aura Sphere deal more damage after every defence boost?

[sudden remnant]

just run sturdy bro

[supple latch]

Though about the bridge, would Stalwart be somewhat viable?

[shadow wind]

Not really

[sudden remnant]

i havent seen much redirection

[shadow wind]

It’s too niche and doesn’t come up enough

[lean storm]

Advice on my sun team? I feel like I could use torkoal for a slot but I honestly have no idea

[supple latch]

Oh well. I’m just wondering because like, WHAT ARE THEY THINKING WHEN THEY GAVE MEGA SKAR THAT ABILITY?!?!

[vapid halo]

Hey! Just a quick question
Ever since the champion was released, I've wanted to get into competitive play a bit because I love it and I'm really good at strategizin plus, I know all the basics, but the only thing I’m struggling with is understanding the meta, and I also don’t know how to build a team,or even if I did, I wouldn’t know which team to start with
Honestly, I’d like to start with something that takes advantage of the snow so I can use a Glaceon, which I’m really fond of.
Do you have any suggestions for me on how to get started and what kind of team to build?

[ocean pawn]

it's mega floette and waether for the meta

[cyan smelt]

i fucking beat mega floette

i'm in ultra ball rank 2 finally

[chrome knot]

simipour could help this matchup

[cyan smelt]

it's handy that kang is faster than mega floette

double edge does so much damage to basc

[supple latch]

Kanga is faster than her? Good to know

[cyan smelt]

and it can fake out the basculegions that are on the rain teams she's on

[supple latch]

Yep, weather setters are dominant again

[chrome knot]

Simipour learns gunk shot im actually gonna puke that is so funny

[supple latch]

Aren’t those part ghost as well?

[cyan smelt]

yes ghost/water

so it really disrupts their positioning

[solid frigate]

Emma used Gunk Shot!

It’s extremely effective

[chrome knot]

nooo not me, her name is Nelly

ohh no ur saying that bci m puking

[supple latch]

So why’d you say fake out if you can’t hit ghost types, Kanga doesn’t get Scrappy

[chrome knot]

LMFAO

[cyan smelt]

it does have scrappy

[supple latch]

Base form?

[cyan smelt]

yes

[supple latch]

I did not know that

[cyan smelt]

i feel like a lot of people don't know what it can do

[supple latch]

I’m just so used to talking about Parental Bond

[ocean pawn]

if your using mega kanga you fake out in base then mega it

[cyan smelt]

i've come undone in the late and end game by megaing it because then i can't hit ghosts

[supple latch]

Yeah, I can see the point now, You’re just making them think that you’ll mega immediately

[supple latch]

Yes, because they spooky to go up against

In the late game

Or just in general

[harsh depot]

Is there a baseline for a Mega Dragonite rain team?

[cyan smelt]

why do i play casual battles

[supple latch]

Because you don’t enjoy losing and prefer to just have fun

I know how it feels

[solid frigate]

My version of it

Gengar can be swapped with Basculegion

[harsh depot]

Thanks!

[south pumice]

This seems to be doing well

Wait wrong on lol

[solid frigate]

Two rain setters?

[harsh depot]

Oh

[south pumice]

Just in case for trick room then politoad outspeeds

[harsh depot]

Basculegion male, female, or does it matter? I forget, sorry

[solid frigate]

And it’s not like a secondary one with Prankster rain dance stuff

It’s 2 pure rain setters

[solid frigate]

Male is the better one

[harsh depot]

Got it, thanks!

[lean storm]

Hey torrent

[south pumice]

What should I switch with instead?

[solid frigate]

Incin Sini would be enough

I use Incin mostly against TR and stuff

Cuz having two mons contributing of the almost the exact same role is really repetitive unless you are like Kyogre and Tornadus like relationship

Having another support would be stronger for your defensive measures

[mighty stump]

hit masters

[solid frigate]

I’m legit busy back in Hong Kong lol

[mighty stump]

pretty smooth sailing after removing the rust

[solid frigate]

Wait you serious on master ball being easier

[south pumice]

I wanted 2 rain setters to counter sun/sand teams and politoad is slow enough to still be usable in trick room

But having something like sini would remove the trick room all together

[supple latch]

“Toilet Birb” 😭 (At least it makes sense)

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/pelipper-pokemon-gif-1710268354472802343

[mighty stump]

Honestly it’s an adjustmebt for me since Tera

But otherwise yea considering I have been on hiatus for how long

[cyan smelt]

i need to go to bed otherwise i'll stay up all night again

[chrome knot]

ts so fun

[solid frigate]

That’s fair

The game feels easier without Tera imo

Cuz you have less Guessing games

[rare pumice]

i was really sour about mega victreebel's ability but seeing what happens when it's up against charizard and venusaur combos is actually starting to inspire me

[cyan smelt]

Now I've learnt that kangaskhan can take down mega floette i'm a lot happier

[supple latch]

Hmm, maybe I might consider playing mega Khan if I ever go up against an opposing Floette

[mighty stump]

what u running

[supple latch]

But I wonder if I could pair the two together

[cyan smelt]

Double edge hits hard

[wild knot]

is there only bots on pokeball tier?

[chrome knot]

floette,,,,

[mighty stump]

Tera honestly supported a lot of skill expression but also defensive play

[chrome knot]

I was on floette sand but, i found a cuter japan floette balance team

[supple latch]

Ooh, what’s the team?

[rare pumice]

i've been seeing them as high up as great ball rank 1

[wild knot]

wow

[rare pumice]

generally when i see them it's right after a loss too

[supple latch]

Wait, what y’all are facing bots?

[wild knot]

im just starting so

i was so confused on flash cannon gambit

[supple latch]

I always just though they’re just inexperienced people

[rare pumice]

yea i was up against a venusaur and charizard turn 1 and neither mega evolved, there was no switching or anything, they just sat their and let the charizard get rock slided

i'm thinking maybe it's a connection issue where if you disconnect from a player or something, it replaces them with a bot, but idk

[solid frigate]

Yeah it does

I feel like it’s a double edge sword in terms of what the gimmick provides

[chrome knot]

ill send when i grind more to masters

[solid frigate]

Ngl I like how Mega Gengar Plays

[rare pumice]

i've been doing alright with focus sash meowscarada so far

[hollow latch]

Rain perish is fun

Slowy getting the feeling for it

[solid frigate]

I just run normal rain

[hollow latch]

Nah

I am that guy

[cyan smelt]

Kinda sucks realising the reason i was having a lot of wins and thinking the team was working was because i played against bots

[supple latch]

Yo u playing Con Perish? 🔥🔥🔥

[hollow latch]

Si

[supple latch]

Again, I want to try out Mega Gengar, but I just don’t know what to pair it with to make a unique Perish Trap team

[hollow latch]

Lol

I perished my own frog and the countdown was Zero and he didnt die

Thought it would be a draw

The build for now

[supple latch]

https://tenor.com/view/ping-command-league-of-legends-lol-gif-23818523

[hollow latch]

Idk about arch tbh

[supple latch]

How

[sudden remnant]

this guy thought he was cooking with hawlucha abomasnow

[hollow latch]

I was so confused i think its a bug like with the mega summons

[sudden remnant]

i showed him he was not in fact

[supple latch]

Are u German cause of “Neck Strike”?

I’m not being rude, I’m just saying

[hollow latch]

Swiss but ye its Sound weird lol

[supple latch]

I can’t even tell which move is which

[hollow latch]

Most of them are Standard moveset

Didnt switch anything big

[supple latch]

Chat do we agree?

[bronze quarry]

Yes we do

Meowstic not having psychic terrain is such a let down I was so ready for the potential

[tawdry urchin]

Any good trick room attackers accept torcal and gambit?

[supple latch]

Innards out is weird

[hollow latch]

Main never Was big Fan TR but i actually consider playing it if it got drizzle

[hollow latch]

The crab

[shrewd crown]

The crab is good

Anyone up for doing a quick private battle, want to get a quest done in champions

[tawdry urchin]

Already using that

[tawdry urchin]

I can

[shrewd crown]

thanks! ill make a room

[gentle crag]

sanchezyboi has given 1 Gen Rep to 1uk919

[tawdry urchin]

Code?

[shrewd crown]

I dm'ed it to you

[tawdry urchin]

Wait is it doubles or singles?

[shrewd crown]

doubles

[tawdry urchin]

K

[harsh depot]

@solid frigate sorry for the ping, but do you have stat points and natures for the team perchance? Also, decided on Basculegion instead of Gengar, but Idk what moveset

[hollow latch]

never mind i suc with it

[solid frigate]

Basc would be just

Wave Crash,Last Respect,Aqua Jet,Protect (since we don’t have Choice Band)

I’ll send the EVs later on hold up

[harsh depot]

kk, thanks

[real prairie]

most people are running supreme overlord gambit and thats a surprise

[solid frigate]

It’s just testing EVs

[high fractal]

anyone have a mega chimecho set?

[rare pumice]

i have no idea what moves chimecho gets

[real prairie]

does mega launcher boost water spout?

[jade dust]

Most new megas suck as expected

Their abilities too

Meganium at least looks promising

In the current format at least

[real prairie]

literally struggling to find one to bother putting in my team lol

[rare pumice]

just water pulse and origin pulse i think

[jade dust]

I’m using Meganium and crab lol

Those 2 are good rn

[real prairie]

mega blastoise gets origin pulse?

[rare pumice]

no but it's counted as a pulse move

[real prairie]

I really don't know which ones to use in rain team

[mighty stump]

Meganium is not great at all

[real prairie]

i had scizor, never brought it once

[jade dust]

Meganium

[solid frigate]

Mega Dnite and Mega Gengar for now

[jade dust]

You can get fire types weather ball

[mighty stump]

That’s bait

[jade dust]

And solar beams in rain

Fire weather ball at full power

No rain penalty

[rare pumice]

i'm a little interested in mega meowstic as a secondary mega

[real prairie]

not super helpful tbh. Rain seems the weakest of the weathers atm, only 2 setters, no megas and no prankster setters

by no megas i mean no drizzle megas

[jade dust]

I mean sand only has Ttar

[real prairie]

but it can mega to reset

[jade dust]

Snow is eating the best

[real prairie]

sun having whims is still tough

[mighty stump]

Sun > Rain = Sand

[rare pumice]

before champions came out i was telling myself "zard y plus whimsicott is gonna ruin my life" and go figure it has

[mighty stump]

Imo Snow is ok but not as AVeil nonsense

[jade dust]

I’m mad Baxcalibur didn’t get in

Would be very good in snow

[real prairie]

trying to figure out why i have a farigiraf with low kick on my account

[jade dust]

I think the worst is the items

[mighty stump]

I have yet to see a relevant Meowstic

[jade dust]

Why are there so little

[mighty stump]

I think the only good Megas are like

Froslass, Zard Y, Dnite

[rare pumice]

i think mega meowstic's biggest issue is just being a psychic type

[real prairie]

to i just throw floette in and call it a day lol

[mighty stump]

kanga is ok, Floette I have no opinion but statline is promising and so is abil

Ive seen a couple of Lopunnies which were really meh

[mighty stump]

This thing is basically slow Flutter Mane

[jade dust]

Try Meganium

At least give it a try

[mighty stump]

Whats the team

[jade dust]

Dazzling gleam, solar beam, weather ball

And protect

[real prairie]

@mighty stump

[chrome knot]

this team also broken

[random summit]

Yo u guys know if those rentals on champions give pokemon with no evs the evs the got on the rental? And the nature?

[mighty stump]

I think Palafin is really meh, I’d get rid of it and move Mystic Water to Basculegion. imo Pelipper, Archa with Sturdy is perfect and in that scenario id run Max Max Spe Spa.

Incin feels really unnecessary tbh. A second setter like Politoed can be really useful + MGar if you wanna try running some Perish Trap stuff.

I think you need a Kingambit, he’s just too good to pass up rn.

[mighty stump]

Shuca/Chople go brazy on Incin

Dragonite can be a secondary Mega as well with Hurricane in rain

[chrome knot]

chople has felt good, -1 cc w/ chople lets incin eat sneasler atk lmfao

then u get tf out

[mighty stump]

Doesn’t it eat anyways after -1

[chrome knot]

it still takes nearly 50%

or a little more but, to just soak all the dmg is nice

[mighty stump]

I wonder resist berry with Wisp vs Lariat

I guess it makes room for Sitrus

[chrome knot]

every time I dont use one of the stabs I regret it lmfao

[mighty stump]

lmfao

[real prairie]

Palafin has really been surprisingly good tbh, but i hear dropping it, just needs to be for something else that hits hard. both Pelli and Arch are running Max-Max so thats covered. Incin provides good resistance switches and parting shots but you are right its not necessary.

Was looking at swapping Scizor for Sinistcha but that would leave me with zero megas.

[chrome knot]

aero outsped cheeseler and ohko'd it I felt tears of joy

and then turned around and hit rock slide on charizard for game lmao

[spring sandal]

Can anyone help me with a showdown team? Im new and i dont understand a lot from the game.

[mighty stump]

Cheeseler

[mighty stump]

Well

[chrome knot]

idk it was shiny

looked like cheese

[mighty stump]

Slap Floette on it LOL

like unironically

[real prairie]

9/10 im probably just taking 1-Pala 2-arch 3-pelli 4-basc

would love to have a second mode where i don't rely on the rain, seeing as scarf adaptability basc hits like a truck anyway

maybe fake tears whims + arch, but without power herb its a bit meh

[mighty stump]

Then I’d add sth Independent like Kingambit, Sneasler

and you probably can run Sinis

Then at least its an alternative no Pelippermode

between those 3 and Bascu

[rare pumice]

i've seen arch work outside of rain just fine personally

[mighty stump]

Also just shared this team on twt but

[real prairie]

so drop incin and scizor for sini and gambit?

[mighty stump]

try that and play more offensively

[real prairie]

still no mega though

[rare pumice]

did maushold ever got fake out?

[mighty stump]

ehh who cares

[real prairie]

reg H'ing it all the way

i hear it

[hollow latch]

lol

how does the speed order work with perish song

[polar canyon]

People flexing full shiny teams on ranked while I'm flexing my masterpiece sinistcha and they don't even know it

[polar canyon]

Faster die first

[real prairie]

slowest dies last

[hollow latch]

lmao gengar surivied against chomp and chomp wasnt scarfed or in tailwind

[polar canyon]

Who knows maybe its different now

[rare pumice]

i'm surprised i haven't seen any hydrapple yet

[polar canyon]

I'm not

Why would someone use hydrapple

[rare pumice]

i seem to remember seeing it alot in lower ladder formats like on showdown for example

[polar canyon]

Can't think of anything meaningful it can do in the current meta

Hurricane magnet maybe

[rare pumice]

idk i guess i just expected to see some kind of team running dragon cheer

[polar canyon]

I think dragon cheer isn't exclusive

[vapid halo]

how does it look?

first team btw

[polar canyon]

Looks fine

Wyd if zard y

[vapid halo]

Kingambit sucker and fake out incineroar

[real prairie]

I don't even have AZ Floette yet and im not fucking grinding LZA, fuck that

[rare pumice]

i already have a few battles in the z-a royale thing and i still refuse to get the floette

15 in a row is like, obscene

[polar canyon]

I know right but what can you do

[real prairie]

they make you skip the grinding for the sake of grinding when it mattered during the story then expect you to do it in the post game

[rare pumice]

i wouldn't have the shiny charm if it weren't for the dlc adding new research tasks either, 1000 trainers is too much

[polar canyon]

Paying the debt

[rare pumice]

i remember when the game automatically skipped like half the ranks and shot me up to F and i actually got upset

[real prairie]

would have prefered more unique leaders to fight climbing up the alphabet personally

[whole ocean]

Before champions abilities for the new Megas got released, I had the stupid idea that when it did release, I would use Mega Scovillain competitively

[real prairie]

its not completely ass in a sun team

[polar canyon]

Be real would you enjoy the game if there were 26 different leaders each with a story arc and rank grinding

[rare pumice]

i've only seen two people using volcarona so far, and one of those people was me

[real prairie]

they didn't all need story arcs lol give me 26 blokes like the taxi driver, just with a single dialog line

[red willow]

I almost think quiver dance volc could be p good as well as support rn

[polar canyon]

The charming part of the game for me was the ones with story arcs

[whole ocean]

But now with Mega Scovillain having Spicy Spray, I have conceived an idea most ingenious

[rare pumice]

does scovillain get rage powder

[red willow]

If you get one off you are just melting most of the meta lol

[polar canyon]

I really like wisp struggle bug

[hollow latch]

ye

[real prairie]

yeah nasty ability

[polar canyon]

Also attracts parting shot from incin because people are scared of volc

[rare pumice]

i've been using volcarona well against meganium teams a little, but i'm not that great at battling so i'm not using it to its full potential i think

[polar canyon]

Where are you finding meganium teams

[real prairie]

we gonna see the fall of urshifu with the nerf to unseen fist?

[rare pumice]

meganium is like one of the most common megas i've seen so far

[polar canyon]

You can't be serious

Maybe they just drop off in higher ranks

[real prairie]

Charizard Y has to be the most common followed by Dnite

[polar canyon]

I haven't seen a single one

[rare pumice]

if i had to pick out the 3 most common megas i've seen, it's like zard y, meganium, and then maybe gengar or froslass

[real prairie]

same

[polar canyon]

You're playing in an alternate reality

[red willow]

Is it kinda dumb to have arch and mega dnite on the same team when they are essentially both bulky mons with high sp attack and even have like 2 of the same type attacks lol

[polar canyon]

What rank are you in? No judgement

[real prairie]

maybe we are showing the different regional metas forming lol

[red willow]

Its working but it feels clunky sometimes

[rare pumice]

i'm at ultra rank 4 so far

[polar canyon]

And you're finding meganium?

[whole ocean]

My idea? Mega Scovillain + Choice Band Guts Ursaluna in Double Battles. Yes it sounds stupid

[rare pumice]

one of my last few battles was against a meganium

[polar canyon]

So you're gonna kill your mega

Just use something with wisp

[red willow]

Mega Scizor no diffs m meganium lol

[rare pumice]

i haven't really seen a lot of scizor so far honestly

[polar canyon]

I also haven't seen any scizor at all

[rare pumice]

i think zard y is scaring them all off

[polar canyon]

I tried using scizor and quickly realized why its not used

[red willow]

Its my mega for my balance team

[polar canyon]

Zard y and incineroar

[rare pumice]

oh no wait i'd say tyranitar is probably the third most common mega i've seen actually

[polar canyon]

Ttar is a forgettable mega because I never lost to it

Because I'm playing starmie and it gets one shot every time

It's one of my better matchups

Maybe if I had a different team ttar would be more memorable but running into it on ranked is just yay free win

[red willow]

You dont even care about the sp def boost cause huge power thats kinda funny lol

[real prairie]

Is starmie that good? i was comparing its stats to palafin and was thinking its a bit meh, does it get flip turn out of interest?

[polar canyon]

It doesn't

[red willow]

It has huge power homie lol

[rare pumice]

i now have two different pokemon with meow in their name on my team

[polar canyon]

Dont believe sableye bot it still has za stats

100 base attack huge power

[whole ocean]

Scovillain can learn Endure!

[red willow]

Thats like if Azumarill took steroids for a year straight and came to collect lunch money

[real prairie]

that 1.5x or double its Atk?

[rare pumice]

how do endure and protect interact?

[polar canyon]

Double

[real prairie]

ah okay, i see now

[polar canyon]

Also doesn't require wasting a turn

[real prairie]

i was thinking 1.5x which would make it still weaker than palafin

yeah swapping palafin for Starmie might be the motive

[polar canyon]

I'm using it next to rain dance sableye and its a beast

[rare pumice]

i'm gonna give mega meowstic f a chance

[polar canyon]

Just use alakazam

Is it in the game yet

[rare pumice]

yes

[red willow]

Yeah zam is here

Havent seen one tho lol

[rare pumice]

i want meowstic's fake out and competitive

[polar canyon]

I've seen mega meowstic but I think the reason to use it is mostly novelty

Got one shot by a neutral move

[rare pumice]

well i'm gonna see how it does either way, and it's mostly just a secondary mega

[real prairie]

Starmie does get flip turn!!

black glasses best item for gambit?

[rare pumice]

i would assume so

[real prairie]

mega starmie also gets skillswap 👀

[wild stream]

but just sd or coaching or something

[red willow]

Here I was expecting Basculegion to be the goat on my rain team

But its sinistcha

[real prairie]

I was thinking skill swap to an ally then flip turn out, then you have a huge power mon on the field and one in the back for later

skillswap huge power onto Gambit 😱

[solid frigate]

@real prairie I legit forgot to EV my Incin and Sinistcha before Great Ball 1 lmfao

[real prairie]

thats fine, the bits before GB dont EV either lol

[solid frigate]

At least now I am in Ultra Ball

I underestimated Mega Dnite and Mega Gengar

[mental mason]

Hmm. Got to GB1 with team 3 but it feels like it lacks cohesion? Rain is, uh, a work in progress.

[azure ether]

how is mega dnite usually built?

[bronze quarry]

How many levels until i get pic perks smh

[red willow]

Im really liking support Sinistcha on my rain team

[mental mason]

Yeah. Thought about them. Wasn't sure how good it'd be.

Ez dnite replacement though if it works.

[red willow]

Holy hell is flip turn in the rain off basculegion supposed to one shot base form manectric? Lol

I was expecting like 60 to 70 percent lol

I guess manectric prolly has hoenn special stats tho so its prolly not tanking much

[indigo coral]

I run Draco Meteor, Hurricane, Tailwind, Protect on mine, invest SPs in Special Attack and Speed. You can also maybe slot in Thunder if you're not running a Lightning Rod Support like Manectric or Raichu.

[red willow]

Is there any decent spread damage for a rain team? Missin my boi water spout rn

[real prairie]

theres no way of seeing your W:L on champions is there?

know i can see my wins

think im 13-3 atm

[hardy sable]

What do you mean by lacks cohesion? I kinda dig this

[mental mason]

Hmm. Don't have a good answer to sun teams besides outplaying with A9. I wanna bring Dragonnite and Kagashkan a lot but they're competing for the same slot. Gengar is kinda there?

But it did get me to GB1 before I'm on errands soo....

Sneasler puts in a lot of work on it.

[real prairie]

Scarf adaptability basc maybe? used to do well on A9 balance teams

lets you flip turn to reset weather etc

[mental mason]

[hardy sable]

What do you run on the Kanga?

[mental mason]

Fake out, Double edge, sucker punch, and drain punch. Usually really good as clean up.

[hardy sable]

Standard health and speed build or did you split the Ev's?

Sorry I kinda forgot Kanga was a thing and I'm inspired

[mental mason]

I think standard. Know its max speed but can't remember the other half.

[hardy sable]

Well I appreciate the candor

[mental mason]

Might be max atk too.

[hardy sable]

Over HP? Interesting

[mental mason]

Yeah. My standard opener atm is either a9 incin or incin sneasler. Usually the later as it's great getting a kill with close combat for white herb unburden

So I don't need khan or dnite too last, just pick up the last kills. Now could I calculate my evs out for better usage? Yes.

[solid frigate]

Max Special attack Max Speed Timid nature

[mighty stump]

Id honestly just tun Modest

Cause like

Your damage output is so sad

[red willow]

Is chlorophyll venu worth running in a slot on sun

[lost sun]

yes

[polar canyon]

I kinda wanna do mega banette

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/MeninoJardim/status/2042168482037453088?s=20

Edu (@MeninoJardim)

2️⃣ The items

It’s very clear to me that they’re keeping certain items away to prevent newer players from feeling overwhelmed by the available choices, as well as the intensity of items such as LO and specs. I think it’s the right call, tho I agree it sucks during teambuilding(7)

X · Apr 9, 2026, 9:11 AM

[harsh depot]

What ability should Archaludon run in Champions?

[wide lichen]

Would M Meganium be Viable in TR? Or is it not slow enough.

[mighty stump]

There are better TR mons for choice if you’re wanted a sweeper

[solid frigate]

Any three is workable

Stamina against Physical attackers and usually really good with Recovery Items and Shuca/Chople Berries

Sturdy is basically a free Focus Sash and you can run damage boosting Items like Magent for Eshot

Stalwart is basically the same with Items but it lets you ignore the redirection moves like rage powder

Again,depends on what your team wants,usually I go for Stamina

[harsh depot]

kk, thanks

[mighty stump]

Stamina is bait now - Sturdy with item or Stalwart with Sash would be my coice

[rare pumice]

i didn't know archaludon ran stalwart

[foggy lodge]

Stamina Arch sucks without AV ngl

[mighty stump]

Stalwart is just more niche tbh - You’d prefer that with AV stuff and run sth like Dragon Tail lol

General use you may find Sturdy useful against Sneaslers

[wide lichen]

Trying to run off meta mon, with TR, Focusing on M chinecho. Trying to find another back up Mega that would benefit from Torkals Sun

[solid frigate]

Ngl I just use Stamina cuz the ladder don’t really understand how to fight against it (then again it’s Day 2-3 now)

Would change to Sturdy later on

[rare pumice]

all of the archaludon i've fought so far were running stamina

[harsh depot]

I was thinking Stalwart cause of a Pikachu with Lightning Rod I ran into, but idk

[wide lichen]

Oh wait M Meganium gets sun regardless, so it would be even worse...

[mighty stump]

I wouldn’t run an “off-meta” mon if you don’t fully know the meta yet especially if in this young metagame

[rare pumice]

i was expecting mega metagross to be a focal point of champions just to find out it's not even in the game

[solid frigate]

It’s only day 3 so I rather just use something competent that were proven from the past

[foggy lodge]

Tofu what do you think of Mega Floette

[mighty stump]

Hatt, Conkeldurr, Rhyperior, Crabominale would be options for proper TR sweepers

[wide lichen]

Fair, but I just want to run Chimecho lowk

[mighty stump]

Probably goated, needs more optimisations spread wise to get maximum benefit considering the stat distribution

[mighty stump]

Start with one, then use metamons, Ease yourself into cause using too many niche Pokemon can really mess up your teambuild direction

[solid frigate]

Actually Hatt would be slightly worse without Any Psychic surge mon

Like serious Terrain is basically non existent

[harsh depot]

Hey, can anyone donate to my P2W fund in Champions? /s

[foggy lodge]

It OHKOd my Mega Starmie and my Starmie has bulk 😭

[rare pumice]

i remember hatt being a pretty popular trick room setter alongside torkoal in reg A in sv if i remember correctly

[harsh depot]

I deserved that skull react

[mighty stump]

LOL

[wide lichen]

True, true, I've played singles with niche things before so I've got some idea of what I'm doing, doubles I didn't play as heavy

[solid frigate]

The Floette really did the end of tutorial Cutscene on the starmie lol

[rare pumice]

does base form floette also get fairy aura

[solid frigate]

No

[mighty stump]

No

[solid frigate]

Fairy Aura is only Mega Floette

Normal AZ Floette keeps everything in regular Floette’s Moveset and Abilities

[rare pumice]

how does light of ruin work then?

[solid frigate]

Isnt that just steel beam

[rare pumice]

yea but does it need to mega evolve to use it or is it just the only extra move it has access to

[solid frigate]

Mega Floette has a Mega stone

And it’s not like Nihil Light where is mega only

[rare pumice]

i don't think i have the willpower to go through 15 infinite royales for a mega floette either way at this point

[solid frigate]

Ngl it’s super easy to do anyway

[wild stream]

guys no being sweaty

[solid frigate]

Bro saying that in the competitive chat lmfao

[wild stream]

This where they'll hear it

[rare pumice]

is it just me or is sneasler not as big of an issue in champions so far? i feel like it was super unstoppable at one point, like in reg h i think, but it's generally a lot less of an issue than i remember

[high fractal]

dire claw got nerfed

[rare pumice]

what was the nerf?

[high fractal]

50% -> 30% chance to status

[rare pumice]

idk i still feel like there's something about it that's not as problematic as i remember

i guess not having terrain support is a big problem for it

[thorny shadow]

Anyone has good suggestions for slow pokemon in champions other than

Garganacal
Aggron
Farigiraf
Drampa
Torkoal

[polar canyon]

I'm completely raw dogging evs just going max max I need to do mega starmie calcs

I want more 2hkos and 3hkos

[lost sun]

kingambit

[wild stream]

Kingambit always

[thorny shadow]

Didn't think about him

[lost sun]

kingambits goated

[thorny shadow]

I'm running trick room but gargancal and aggron are meh

[rare pumice]

i've seen a super whacky mega slowbro trick room team with a final gambit lucario to get a slow pokemon into the field immediately afterwards

[thorny shadow]

Interesting I have fast sp attk lucario as a kamekazi as the lead

[rare pumice]

they also have a torkoal and a sylveon on that team

the reason i remember it so much is because i kept wide guarding their eruptions and hyper voices but they still ended up winning in the end even though i blocked like 5 or 6 of their moves during the battle

[thorny shadow]

I actually ran into komo-o with sinscha

[polar canyon]

Wonder if I could run a second mega on my team

[marble onyx]

You should, just as a backup Incase your primary mega is countered

[thorny shadow]

You can just in case the first is hard walled

[rare pumice]

do you think three megas is pushing too hard or do you think there are some teams/formats that could allow for that too?

[thorny shadow]

You have to be really good to make ot work

I don't think I can build something like that 😂

[polar canyon]

I got mega starmie, support volc, sylveon, sinistcha and rain dance sableye, I lean a lot in sableye being a shitass troll with encore wisp quash but while I have my workarounds for rain teams that work reasonably well I want something more consistent

[high fractal]

i like using two, but i suck

[polar canyon]

My game plan is ruin their game plan

[thorny shadow]

Use easier ones go for rain and scizor

[polar canyon]

I feel weak to intimidate with starmie so I don't think I want scizor as a second mega

[thorny shadow]

I have been runing trickroom aggron and drampa but aggron sucks

[polar canyon]

It's kind of a rain team with the sableye but I don't rely on the rain as much as I use it to counter other weather or on opportunities where I can fish liquidation ohkos with starmie

Completely negates zard y and its hilarious

[marble onyx]

I’ve been running gengar and Kommo-o with whimsicott and it’s been crazy

[thorny shadow]

Being weak to ground water and fighting is ass

You're always going to run into one or two

[polar canyon]

I might replace sinistcha with rotom mow

Being weak to hurricane is really hurting me

[thorny shadow]

Mow is grass?

[polar canyon]

But electric

Neutral and threatens peli

[thorny shadow]

A lot of dragons use hurricane

[polar canyon]

Mostly dragonite but im not worried about killing dragonite since I have sylveon and ice spinner starmie

Sylveon kinda walls dnite

[thorny shadow]

I might switch out aggron for king gambit and garganacal but still need another slow pokemon

[polar canyon]

My current solution to the rain matchup is turn 1 hyper beam sylveon into archaludon for an ohko / bring down to sturdy

[thorny shadow]

I have
Mimikue
Lucario
Drampa
Garganacal
Araquanid

Any Ideas for something other than garganacal

[polar canyon]

What do you want it to be doing

[thorny shadow]

I'm running trick room so any ideas are welcome

I have tried farigiraf but mimikue does its job better

[polar canyon]

The deal with farigiraf is countering fake out

[thorny shadow]

I usually have problems with sinscha if that helps

[polar canyon]

For both itself and its partner

Wild idea since I haven't even seen it get used at all and maybe there's reasons why

[thorny shadow]

I usually counter it with my fast lucrative it still working surprisingly well

[polar canyon]

But have you considered mega chandelure for tr

[thorny shadow]

Interesting I could try it

[polar canyon]

Dont blame me if its bad lol

[winter fox]

What fourth move do you guys use for Archaludon since it can't learn Body Press?

[thorny shadow]

Nah I like wild ideas

[polar canyon]

I see people just run standard double stab + electro shot

[thorny shadow]

Flash canon

After elctro shot flash canon reall hurts

[winter fox]

Oh right

I forgot Flash Cannon existed

[thorny shadow]

I was running
Elctro shot
Flash canon
Dragon pulse

4th move can be protect or something else your team needs

[winter fox]

I was thinking of Meteor Beam for some reason

[thorny shadow]

Still pretty good

Is there a way to make it 1 turn move?

[polar canyon]

No reason to use it when there's electro shot

[dull ibex]

I want to mess around with support volc ngl

[polar canyon]

Power herb but not in the game yet

[dull ibex]

I enjoyed it on sv alot

[polar canyon]

I still enjoy it a lot, and have been using it regularly, wisp + struggle bug giving you ways to cripple both sides of offense is just really fun

[winter fox]

Yeah I was thinking that. I might just replace Heavy Slam with Flash Cannon and have Protect as my fourth move.

[thorny shadow]

How fast is volc?

[dull ibex]

Yeah I agree campfire

[polar canyon]

100

[thorny shadow]

Nah that's too fast

[bold geode]

Alright what are we cooking chat

[polar canyon]

It's decently fast for what you might want it to do

I don't run max speed so I just have it go faster than what's important

Like fast archaludon

[thorny shadow]

Anyone has good suggestions for slow pokemon other than

Garganacal
Aggron
Farigiraf
Drampa
Torkoal

Any ideas other than kingambit and torkoal

[polar canyon]

I think the volc I brought over is faster than gholdengo so I can drop 2 stat points as ghold is not getting use

[thorny shadow]

That's my problem

[polar canyon]

Rain dance sableye

[thorny shadow]

I already have lucario as fast wild card can't have two

[polar canyon]

Lucario isn't that fast

[thorny shadow]

Max speed jolly it's faster than things I need it to delete

[polar canyon]

Whatever you're doing with non mega lucario you can probably do with sneasler

[thorny shadow]

It takes out most incini takes out arch takes out kingambit

[polar canyon]

Does lucario get inner focus

[thorny shadow]

It needs to be special is he not physical

[thorny shadow]

Yes

[polar canyon]

I forgot lucario is mixed

Maybe I should use it actually

[thorny shadow]

That's what people seem to forget they keep clicking fake out into him to then get deleted

[polar canyon]

Probably expecting mega since mega loses inner focus

They'll notice its inner focus when incin intimidate doesn't affect it

[thorny shadow]

It's like a fast kamikaze

[smoky terrace]

I've been playing Pokemon Champions with my first Double Battle team and it's working well, getting me into Great Ball Tier. It's a Sun/Trick Room team. But I was wondering, are there any improvements I need to make for it to perform better?:

[thorny shadow]

I don't know they still do I guess newer players

Or it happens to me quite often

[polar canyon]

I guess its a good accidental bluff if they fake out expecting you to mega turn 1 and lose inner focus

[thorny shadow]

Rhyperior could be just what I need

[thorny shadow]

Maybe

[bold geode]

I mean Hatterene
What even is the team

[thorny shadow]

Trick room

[bold geode]

Yeah but what mons do you already have

[thorny shadow]

I already have mimikyu and hes is very good at setting trick room

[thorny shadow]

I can get anything properly

[polar canyon]

Monke would you say mega lucario is a good fit for a team of starmie sinistcha sableye sylveon volc

[chrome knot]

monk d

[thorny shadow]

Rhyperior might be exactly what I need

[polar canyon]

Lacking speed control but I'm using quash sableye to make up for it

Might swap out rage powder for tailwind on volc since I'm never clicking that

[thorny shadow]

40 base speed rock ground

[bold geode]

Meh its probably not TOO bad but like
Why you think of Lucario

I could see Sneasler also working as well

[polar canyon]

Beats archaludon while not weak to hurricane

[thorny shadow]

What are you runing alot of options for speed control

[polar canyon]

Rn I have sneasler on slot 6 but I feel weak to hurricane

[bold geode]

You can always try it out

[thorny shadow]

What are the other mons?

[bold geode]

If it works it works
If not well

[polar canyon]

These

[thorny shadow]

Prim is bulky gets icy wind

[bold geode]

Hello Emma

[polar canyon]

Im thinking of swapping sini to rotom mow too, rotom + sneasler could be a viable start against archa thats less risky than hyper beam sylveon

[thorny shadow]

Rotom wash gets electro web

[polar canyon]

I'm using sylveon hyper beam like a hand grenade hail mary

[chrome knot]

howdy

for once i like playing vgc lol

[polar canyon]

If I'm struggling to kill something just throw it in and click kill button that makes it also die the turn after half the time

Sacrificing my momentum to break their momentum

[thorny shadow]

politoad gets icey wind

And you can set rain

[polar canyon]

My "speed control" is quash sableye for now

[thorny shadow]

Just another option

[polar canyon]

I like rain dance over drizzle because what I'm doing doesn't rely on rain being up

I'm just using rain as an optional tool and can also click it when I sense a zard y mega evolving or switchin in

Because as of now the only mon benefitting from rain is starmie

[thorny shadow]

I can't think of anything I don't like quash because it's temporary

[polar canyon]

I like quash because it's guaranteed

Doesn't matter if they are tailwind +2 and you're paralyzed

[thorny shadow]

Kelfki maybe

[polar canyon]

I'll try lucario when I'm on my switch

Just as my backup mega

[thorny shadow]

Outside of rotom wash politoad and prim I'm blanking

Nuzzle raichu?

[polar canyon]

For you or for me?

I actually have sylveon on this team because I had primarina but didn't want my fairy weak to electro shot

Does dragonite draco ohko archaludon

32+ SpA Dragonite Draco Meteor vs. 32 HP / 0 SpD Archaludon: 186-220 (94.4 - 111.6%) -- 68.75% chance to OHKO eh

145 spatk dragonite

Calc didn't have the mega

[red willow]

Well uh I guess you certainly CAN lead abamasnow heracross into my known H typhloshion and M Charizard lmao

[dull ibex]

what are the best setup sweepers in champions

I was thinking of going half rain half set up sweeper

[polar canyon]

I don't think there's really any setup sweeper that's being used rn

There's a lot of hard hitters that can hurt you right off the bat risking your mon setting up

No amoonguss and you can't just tera to bail out of a type you're weak to while setting up

You can't just tera steel your dragonite while dragon dancing in front of a fairy

[red willow]

Id think if there was some success to the strategy itd be involving a rage powder user or the like

But even then

Taking a turn off seems risky this format

Lol m dnite stayed in after first meteor and natty critted on the second

Thanks game love you too

Then their gardevoir traced my chlorophyll from venu

Bad beats

[hardy sable]

Team 3 slaps. Well done

[real prairie]

@shadow wind seems your grind isn't over at master ball rank, there is a champions rank lol

[foggy lodge]

that rank is not available

[polar canyon]

Imagine if its literally just for people who win competitions

[mental mason]

Thanks. Just hit ultra with it. Thinking of messing with the dragonite slot as I do like the Gengar now. Good poison/ghost attacker and has won me the last to games to ultra after I complained about him just being there.

[gentle crag]

xtra_ore has given 1 Gen Rep to g.omalley

[dull ibex]

Im going to go with Zard Whim Venu Torkoal Chomp and Raichu for my sun team

what item does raichu want

[polar canyon]

Sash if its not taken by whim

Otherwise with what's available in champions idk maybe a magnet or something

[dull ibex]

is it bad im strugling in great ball rank 2

[polar canyon]

Probably not

Must be the experienced players who are also making their way up that you're getting up against

[dull ibex]

Usually I only struggle in ultra and masterball

[shadow wind]

It feels a lot harder than SV ladder

But also maybe my team was worse than normal

[lost sun]

would it be worth making my charizard y 10% weaker spa to survive rock slides from garchomp

[shadow wind]

The questions of team building

@foggy lodge what’s your Masterball rating

Is 1800 like the baseline you start with?

[lost sun]

shoutout the 0.1% of people using blaze

[foggy lodge]

1840 something like that but im having a loss streak

i was running rain decided to run sun again and fought 3 tyranitar in a row😭

And a double weather froslass + pelipper team

[shadow wind]

Many such cases

I wish this rating meant literally anything

An ominous elo rating is so terrible for a monthly season

[chrome knot]

ive seen a few blaze incins lmfao

[dull ibex]

I'm open to Mon suggestions

[shadow wind]

At least give us a ladder

Has that Torkoal ever come to a game?

[dull ibex]

Wdym?

[dull ibex]

Yeah it's good against opposing weather

[shadow wind]

It’s like a GC rating system

But you have no clue where on the ladder you are

[shadow wind]

How is it any better than your mega?

Zard literally sets it up when it megas

[dull ibex]

It's for secondary

I'm open to replacing torkoal though

[hollow latch]

I didnt see u played 3 sun setter

Ye i would replace one of the setters

Seem to much. I get the point for TR but mhhh

[dull ibex]

replace it with what

[grand spire]

do mega flottes run any hp or def evs

[dull ibex]

I misread

[grand spire]

so is it just max speed max sp atk modest or smth

[cyan smelt]

I have no idea how my kangskhan outsped that floette

[chrome knot]

they usually don’t invest speed

[lost sun]

ye I face against a kang that was slower than my venusaur and it's not even max speed

[shadow wind]

I think my Kang is max speed adamant

As long as a Kang outspeeds jolly Incin it’s a good speed

[grand spire]

is there not a champions format on showdown i can build a team on before i make it

[hardy sable]

Mines been super useful. I'd be interested in seeing the breakdown for your team

[real prairie]

I can confirm there are still bots in ultraball if you lose 3 on the bounce

TBF losing 3 in a row sucks but I'm 21-6 to ultra ball 2

[foggy lodge]

how do you beat quick claw/bright powder/focus band/king's rock outside of praying that they don't activate in a cts format lol

[mental mason]

Haven't calced anything. But this is what I'm running.

I'm also curious to see what you've done with it too and how far you've gone. Stopped after reach UB4 for today.

[winter fox]

There has to be something going on with Trick Room. Why is it always going last before everything else.

[cyan smelt]

I've lost far too many games I don't want to think about it but at least I'm in ultra ball 2 now

[lost sun]

it has negative priority

[real prairie]

Quick claw you can work around with priority, band is a bastard. Bright powder can be negated with accuracy boosts but it's a waste of effort/ kings rock hit them before they hit you

[polar canyon]

I had a battle against super rookie jimmy who used dragon dance on his mega zard y and forfeited after turn 1 rain dance

You can't make this up

I forget there's actual kids playing the game

Probably an 8 year old

[cyan smelt]

At least they might learn something about team building

[torpid hearth]

Why and how did eq hit my corv

There was no gravity or smack down used

[dense latch]

did you use roost

[torpid hearth]

Oh shit i forgot about that

[hardy sable]

Struggling at g3 rn. Teams largely the same except I'm running the u turn sneasler. May be adjusting that.

[tawdry urchin]

What Pokémon should I use in mega crabomable trick room? I get screwed over by mega zard and dark types

[craggy dagger]

no

[tawdry urchin]

?

[lost sun]

what moves do u use on scarf gardevoir I put on dgleam mblast psychic and icy wind

[dense latch]

yea im using that

[lost sun]

even if u said smth else idk if I would've changed tbh icy wind is very nice in this format

[craggy dagger]

why not try rain crab

[tawdry urchin]

...

Have you seen crab's stats?

It's a trick room user

[lost sun]

rain would pair well with mega crab

[craggy dagger]

yes!
rain trick room

[tawdry urchin]

Why?

[lost sun]

no more fire weakness

[craggy dagger]

shuts down mega zard Y, dampens fire

[lost sun]

kind of

[tawdry urchin]

The only good rain Pokémon is peliper and it's mid

[craggy dagger]

maybe snow just isn’t it

[craggy dagger]

peli is good idk what you mean

[lost sun]

it's got good utility ability and moves

[craggy dagger]

and also with a speed stat like that, it can work in both trick room and tailwind

[lost sun]

weather ball and hurricane make it do some decent damage too

peli isn't about 1 shotting the opponents mons but instead supporting the team with stuff like wide guard and tailwind and also putting them into range of Ur other mons moves

[tawdry urchin]

Does tail wind make my Pokémon faster in trick room like quick claw?

[lost sun]

no only out of tr

would hurt if u used tailwind in tr

[tawdry urchin]

But quick claw make the Pokémon faster and so does tail wind?

[lost sun]

and trick room makes slower mons move first

[lost sun]

but quick claw should work normally in tr

[craggy dagger]

no
quick claw doesn’t make you faster
it makes you move first

even in trick room

[ember jungle]

I had quick claw bug out in one battle. The other Pokémon still moved first

[lost sun]

did they use a priority move or have quick claw

[ember jungle]

You know, not sure tbh

[craggy dagger]

quick claw is a chance
and it’s within the user’s priority bracket (ie, if you use a normal move and your opponent uses a priority move, the priority move goes first)

[tawdry urchin]

Ah alrlright

[chrome knot]

homhonk

ill be in your city again soon z

coffee !

[craggy dagger]

wait whaaaat

[bold geode]

@chrome knot did maintenance start yet

[chrome knot]

planning on going again ag some point

ill be buying u a coffee this time silly

[craggy dagger]

no

[rigid crane]

Are there any meta teams in champions?

[craggy dagger]

also what’s the occasion :o

[cyan smelt]

Maintenance starts in 7 mins

[lost sun]

what's the maintenance for

bug fixes?

[bold geode]

Also I see two stinkys in the chat now

[shadow wind]

“We’ve added choice items and life orb back!”

I would cry tears of joy

[lost sun]

I need my lorb chomp 🙏

[upper zealot]

i need throat spray

[shadow wind]

I need utility umbrella

[upper zealot]

i can’t be out here with a mystic prim

[shadow wind]

My utility umbrella Palafin would be doing gods work right now

[lost sun]

does that ignore the sun reducing water damage

[shadow wind]

Yes

[lost sun]

damn might actually try that in a future reg

[shadow wind]

It’s definitely not good

[lost sun]

guessing that doesn't work on the primals

[shadow wind]

Never had a format with them both

[grim edge]

Damn had no idea there was maintenance was just about to start a match

[polar canyon]

Maintenance is totally just day 1 bug fixing but imagine if they just added more missing items in

[foggy lodge]

Conner whe are we building a team

[shadow wind]

Uhhhhhhhh

Whenever you want

[foggy lodge]

uhhhhhhhh

when the format releases on showdown

[polar canyon]

Yo is mega kang good

[lost sun]

ye

[shadow wind]

Sounds good to me

[shadow wind]

Very

[polar canyon]

I think I'm gonna use howl harc

[shadow wind]

Howl harc is sick

[polar canyon]

Wonder if they work together

[lost sun]

I imagine they would

[foggy lodge]

Im stealing teams from japanese

[polar canyon]

Me when I'm a team rocket member

[shadow wind]

Looks like every team on the ladder 🔥🔥🔥

[polar canyon]

No there's some outliars

[lost sun]

I've not faced a mega gengar yet

[foggy lodge]

balance is gonna be the best archetype again when people figure it out

[shadow wind]

For sure

[polar canyon]

50% chance to be perish song

[foggy lodge]

And balance is gonna be mega floette incin garchomp

[shadow wind]

Mega floette balance is the new bolt balance 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[lost sun]

I'm just gonna assume it's 100% and try to 1 shot it

[polar canyon]

I always expect it to be perish trap and when its not I screw myself over because I tossed all my ghost types in front of it so I can switch out of shadow tag

[lost sun]

I hope they add an open team sheet mode soon

[shadow wind]

They won’t

[lost sun]

CTS is so annoying losing to some random ass niche move that 3% of people use

[shadow wind]

Pokémon has never had any form of open team sheet

[polar canyon]

Yes they have in official tournaments

Irl

[shadow wind]

So if 3% of people are running it you should be winning against 97% of people?

[lost sun]

ofc

[shadow wind]

In game I mean

[polar canyon]

That's why they should just added it to champions since its supposed to be the like new championships game

It is kinda dumb that we don't have ots

[shadow wind]

Wasn’t OTS new to gen 9?

[polar canyon]

Point is its a thing now

[lost sun]

SD has multiple game modes idk y champs only has 2

[polar canyon]

Because they're not made by the same people silly

But yeah where's casual 6v6

I may not be the target audience but they should add it for the many people who care

[shadow wind]

Bss is such a clown format

[lost sun]

what's bss

[shadow wind]

Battle stadium singles

[polar canyon]

Battle stadium singles

[shadow wind]

3v3 singles

[polar canyon]

It's how ranked singles are called in showdown

[lost sun]

ah

[polar canyon]

So people just adopted the term

[lost sun]

never liked singles

[polar canyon]

How do you play mainline

[shadow wind]

Well I think in sv the whole competitive thing was called “battle stadium”

[lost sun]

kinda different

[polar canyon]

Yeah but not anymore

[shadow wind]

True

[polar canyon]

And I'm assuming they're just gonna keep calling it bss over on showdown

[shadow wind]

I might actually play some BSS though

It would be cool to hit Masterball every season in both

And I don’t think real people play bss

[polar canyon]

Bss sounds like a fun pasttime since I don't care about ranked in it so its more relaxing

[shadow wind]

Exactly

[lost sun]

is masterball now like SD with the elo system or can u still see Ur position in lb

[polar canyon]

Won't care as much about the stakes

[shadow wind]

And singles in that format is easier

[shadow wind]

There’s no position it’s just elo

[lost sun]

damn

[shadow wind]

It’s a terrible system

I know a guy who has hit 2000 rating so that’s the highest I know of

[lost sun]

ye seeing my rank was nice now I just got to guess

[polar canyon]

Maybe we'll get to know when they add the champion rank

[craggy dagger]

what

be nice :(

[polar canyon]

Oh ok

[shadow wind]

What does that even mean

[polar canyon]

We're just gonna get a final placement list

At the end of the season

[shadow wind]

That’s so stupid

I really dislike that

[polar canyon]

Eh maybe it was hard to make the ratings accurate with the old system

Being devils advocate here

But its probably hard to make a rating system very accurate to player skill if its calculated in real time after basically every game

[shadow wind]

Yeah but having actual real time ranks is good

[steep burrow]

can i get some feedback with this idfk what team this is (i just made it in showdown no moves or evs atm just throery crafted something)
Tyranitar-Mega excadrill mega-froslass garchomp primarina hisui arcanine

[polar canyon]

Double weather

What's plan for when using froslass?

[steep burrow]

i plan to use it as like a sweeper with the right circumstances

cuz its a very agro team i feel

[polar canyon]

Depends on how you use the arcanine

[steep burrow]

i feel support may be fine

with willo intimidate

[polar canyon]

Looks like it could be a kinda bulky offense team rather than just hyper offense

[steep burrow]

lowk didnt see it like that and that sounds nicer

[polar canyon]

Froslass is lowkey a bulky mon with the snow defense boost to ice types

And free aurora veil

[steep burrow]

cuz i was planning to use exca ttar or frosslass prim as 2 main combos

and chomp is always nice imo plus a supprt willo intim hisui arcanine

[polar canyon]

Better be ready for intimidate

[steep burrow]

ye it will

[polar canyon]

I mean you

[steep burrow]

oh lol

ya only real downside

[polar canyon]

Incin may be weak to most of your team but it could be annoying to have one spam switching against you

And walls froslass

[lost sun]

mega scov would be annoying too

[polar canyon]

That one is only managing to burn one pokemon since 4 of those get rock moves

If people actually used that guy

[steep burrow]

i feel i can just bring prim to wall incin no?

[lost sun]

2 use rockslide wich mega charizard y can survive if u train it too

[lost sun]

some people do

[shadow wind]

Throat chop does exist

[steep burrow]

o ya i forgot

[polar canyon]

Not really about the danger of being threatened by it but the annoyance of an incin being in a game and spam switching to stay safe and keep crippling you

[lost sun]

it also had the highest win rate on pre champs sd but I think that's a case of low usage by some very good players

[shadow wind]

I mean he still can’t hit you very hard

[steep burrow]

if only clear amulet ;-;

then chomp can deal wit incin

[shadow wind]

I mean white herb exists

[steep burrow]

i forgot about that

[shadow wind]

It’s what my chomp runs

[lost sun]

same

[steep burrow]

i was thinkin of lum for him but herb sounds way nicer

[next dust]

I just don't feel like incin matters much rn

[lost sun]

think most chomps use white herb

[steep burrow]

legit most used mon ;-;

[shadow wind]

Worst take EVER just dropped

[next dust]

And? Defiant kingambit is everywhere

[shadow wind]

Is he?

I didn’t see that many kingambits

[lost sun]

4th most used Mon last time I checked

[next dust]

He doesn't threaten my team much and is only used ON my team as a bulky pivot

[shadow wind]

Sneasler is destroying him

[lost sun]

I use it to cleanup with sucker punch or as a save switch into rock moves

[shadow wind]

The fact Kingambit can’t change colours makes him worse

[next dust]

He just isn't as threatening to me rn

[steep burrow]

besides intim spam what other kinda big flaws my team got?

[shadow wind]

Incin doesn’t need to change colours

[fiery nacelle]

a lot of mons have Quick Guard, which can nullify Incin (even if you do lose a turn with them to pull off the protect)

[lost sun]

3 water weaknesses and only 1 resist for it

could be a problem

[shadow wind]

Show me a team using quick guard right now

[lost sun]

not seen quick guard once

[fiery nacelle]

Cool! love sleeper tech 🙂

[steep burrow]

true but i doubt id take exca ttar vs waters i think mfroslass would be it

[shadow wind]

Last time I saw quick guard was on a Smeargle team with specs Terapagos

[polar canyon]

I think quick guard was more of a response to espeed dragonite next to chien

Now you can just protect for fake out

[shadow wind]

Quick guard was never real

[steep burrow]

i plan going weather ball on my prim too cuz all the weather teams too

[polar canyon]

Oh I'm thinking of wide guard

[shadow wind]

Usually the weather setters resist their weather by the way

[polar canyon]

Yeah don't use quick quard

[shadow wind]

Wide guard right now is pretty mid

[polar canyon]

Just use a farigiraf if its really that annoying

Or tsareena

[shadow wind]

No astral barrages to wide guard

[steep burrow]

cuz if i face another weather team like sun i can fire ball ppl like whims king

[polar canyon]

Or water spout or glacial lance or precipice blades or

[lost sun]

and every Mon with a spread move has a single target stronger move of the same type anyway

[fiery nacelle]

Has anyone seen ANY terrain usage?

[lost sun]

no

[polar canyon]

Yeah in the terrain tutorial

[lost sun]

no terrain setters outside of the moves

[polar canyon]

They didn't give us any entry terrain setters

[lost sun]

did they ban raichus mega

[craggy dagger]

yes
kind of

[next dust]

Other than setting with farigiraf no

[steep burrow]

thats the only real setter lol

[next dust]

And it's not even worth it

[shadow wind]

I don’t think they’re in yet

Which might mean electric terrain

But who knows

[polar canyon]

Raichu is in but not the stones

I think just because it would be weird to allow pikachu and not raichu

And they just had to add pikachu because its the pokemon

[shadow wind]

Pikachu the only non evolved mon in the game

[lost sun]

floette too no

[polar canyon]

Well it can't evolve so its sorta not the same

[steep burrow]

yall bouta sleep on Pincurchin when he comes out trust! sarcasm

[shadow wind]

Floette eternal can’t evolve so nah

[lost sun]

oh is it just az floette and not the normal ones

[craggy dagger]

also
light ball bolt tackle is funny

[next dust]

The current Mon list isn't too bad

Makes for some interesting cores

[shadow wind]

Be better without a certain cat

I just wanted to be without him for a month

[polar canyon]

They had to make light ball way back then because pikachu is the mascot so it needs a way to be good

[lost sun]

not a lot of options tho so most games feel very repetitive

[next dust]

To be fair he doesn't bother my team since most of my opponents ff

[steep burrow]

chat how what about throat chop exca

[next dust]

I run perish sacrifice so incin really doesn't matter when it's just a race to who can faint two mons faster for the win

[steep burrow]

thoughts?

or screw the taunt

cuz i dont got a taunt mon just indim wisp

[chrome knot]

low kick

[steep burrow]

over taunt?

[chrome knot]

yes

[shadow wind]

Low kick is awesome

[chrome knot]

low kick is awesome

[steep burrow]

kk

[craggy dagger]

low kick is awesome

[steep burrow]

also what should i do for bulky mfroslass

[polar canyon]

It's gonna stay repetitive at the top anyways since people will stick to using whatever gets the best results

Guess I'm used to it

[steep burrow]

idk evs in a nerd way so i just go simple but what we think

cuz someone said bulky offense and sounds nicer than hyper offense which i like and agree

[polar canyon]

Need way is using the calculator to check what evs let you barely survive or barely ko or barely outsped certain things while saving points to put on other stats

Also knowing the ev counts on the nature + stat that gives you an extra point thanks to math rounding

Champions shows that as yellow lines on the stat bar in the training menu

[steep burrow]

ya i saw its like the break point no?

[polar canyon]

I don't remember all math terms

It's just where adding an extra point actually adds 2 to the stat

It's common to have 196 evs on the nature boost stat

I guess 25 or something now

[steep burrow]

too much stuff to do and nerd way im not there yet lol

[polar canyon]

But sometimes 2 maxed stats is just what you should be using anyways

Or when you're just testing in casual and don't wanna think too hard yet

I'm having success with max max starmie and it doesn't even need max attack for most things

[steep burrow]

i plan on doing this in comp but if i get clapped cuz they got specific evs to beat something i wont cry they deserve that win lol

[polar canyon]

If you're new don't think too hard about it yet

[steep burrow]

alrighty

[polar canyon]

If you're not using a set you got from somewhere else it's ok to just use 2 maxed stats

[steep burrow]

ya thats what i did half the time in sv grab a preset and copy

[polar canyon]

That kinda thing is mostly small optimizations for common specific scenarios

Like hey I don't need to max out on attack stat on this pokemon since the hardest thing to kill I'll be hitting with this move only needs a bit less attack investment

Or I need this 100 base speed pokemon to just be faster than this specific 80 base speed one so I only put in enough to always be guaranteed to be faster

[steep burrow]

ya thats like knowledge check stuff for tourney stuff

focus sash on excadrill or nah?