competitive_discussion

[warm estuary]

So jumpluff also an option

[sudden remnant]

how could i forget my goat jumpluff

[versed river]

sleep powder not spore

[warm estuary]

Oh my bad

[rare pumice]

jumpluff is one of my favorite doubles pokemon

at least for battle tower

[sudden remnant]

kyogre just origin pulsed my poor blaziken. quite overkill tbh

[warm estuary]

Bros never getting kyogre

[versed river]

what game

[rare pumice]

oras

[sudden remnant]

Alpha Sapphire

[versed river]

is false swipe not in there

[sudden remnant]

it is but i dont have it and also it has aqua ring so it wont help

[rare pumice]

you must get a jellicent

it has water absorb and taunt

[warm estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/kyogre-kyogresmile-pokemon-pokemon-smile-kyogre-creepy-gif-19828510

[sudden remnant]

nah ill stick to brute forcing it with nuzzle cosplay pikachu and mega latias

trust the process

[warm estuary]

Cosplay Pikachu my beloved

❤️

[sudden remnant]

i have the beauty form i forget what its actually called

yall think 3 calm minds is enough

[versed river]

go to +6

[sudden remnant]

it missed origin pulse lmao

my calm minds are just styling on it rn

its origin pulse did 14 damage oh im so chilling

[warm estuary]

I would just kill the kyogre at that point

You’ll get a shiny one before you actually catch him

[sudden remnant]

its shiny locked

i already checked

[warm estuary]

Oh right

[sudden remnant]

nuzzle the most op move in the game

[rare pumice]

why weren't legendaries in bdsp shiny locked

[sudden remnant]

100% accurate damaging move with guaranteed para

[warm estuary]

Forgot that pokemon company is a fatass company that hates chud like me that just wants to shiny hunt

[sudden remnant]

lmao

must be nice getting shinies

[versed river]

so more than 3 people would buy the game

[sudden remnant]

i still dont have a shiny umbreon

[warm estuary]

Bc in og games they weren’t shiny locked

[versed river]

well they clearly didnt care about that in oras 😭

[sudden remnant]

because the games were dogshit

[warm estuary]

Also bdsp was Gen 8

And gen 8 is the paradise of shiny legendaries

[sudden remnant]

why does kyogre have body slam and why is it doing 30 damage to my invested mega latias

[sudden remnant]

oh thats why

[versed river]

lmao

[sudden remnant]

here in a bit my latias might pp stall it 😭

my latias is chonky

[versed river]

do you have recovery

[sudden remnant]

a bunch of full restores

i got full restores specifically in case body slam paralyzes me

[warm estuary]

Chat does any of you know how good is Tapu koko in singles

[sudden remnant]

tapu koko? whos that guy?

[warm estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/tapu-koko-pokemon-dance-island-gif-18918560

[sudden remnant]

you mean pincurchin

[sudden remnant]

its a joke 🙁

[cyan smelt]

Give koko and bulu play rough pls i beg u

[warm estuary]

What I seant a pinchurchin gif

Nothing wrong with it

[cyan smelt]

Give bulu grassy glide too

[warm estuary]

I won’t get bulu

[sudden remnant]

give pincurchin a stat buff while your at it its such an irrelevant mon with such a valued ability

[versed river]

make bulu

[cyan smelt]

I always get pincurchin and pyukumyuku mixed up

[sudden remnant]

HOW 😭

[warm estuary]

Ok thanks guys

[sudden remnant]

GODDAMMIT YOU FUCKING WHALE STAY IN THE BALL

[cyan smelt]

They're both sea urchin type creatures

[sudden remnant]

i got to 3 shakes and it broke free

as long as i dont crit a surf im chilling

[warm estuary]

So Tapu koko is good

[cyan smelt]

Is kyogre primal really powerful

[warm estuary]

I mean it was 19 points for a reason

[warm estuary]

Yes he is

[sudden remnant]

it definitely wasnt one of the top meta pokemon back in the day

[cyan smelt]

Is it still as powerful even with rillaboom

[sudden remnant]

we dont know

primal kyogre hasnt been available since before rilla existed

[warm estuary]

We’ll discover in champions probably

[sudden remnant]

how the hell did ice beam only do 20 damage to me 💀

[cyan smelt]

I feel like kyogre primal by itself isn't as powerful as the mons it enables like landorus and tornadus

[sudden remnant]

[cyan smelt]

And archaludon

[sudden remnant]

thats a crazy sentence

[cyan smelt]

Are any megas good on rain teams, surely mence right

[sudden remnant]

theres a few

FOR FUCK SAKE 😭

i crit the whale

[cyan smelt]

It's ded

[sudden remnant]

well my mega latias did have +5 special attack i would hope a crit would kill the whale

[cyan smelt]

How did it get +5 sp attack

[sudden remnant]

calm mind

[cyan smelt]

Oh right

[sudden remnant]

i needed the special defense boosts to tank its hits on me

cuz unfortunately it has ice beam

[cyan smelt]

I suppose there's nothing else that can live primal kyogre

[sudden remnant]

which my eon dragon no likey

[sudden remnant]

i mean my gardevoir can survive 1 hit

but certainly not 2

[cyan smelt]

Is there anything in ORAS that's just really tanky

And isn't a trade evo

[sudden remnant]

as far as i know just latias and another kyogre (specially bulky at least)

[cyan smelt]

What about ur friendly neighbourhood ludicolo

[sudden remnant]

i dont have a water stone 🫩

i have a lombre rn

my blaziken low sweep just did so much damage oh my god 😭

[warm estuary]

Bro is fighting kyogre with lombre

Fucking autocorrect

[sudden remnant]

why did it just ice beam my chicken

[cyan smelt]

Ok why did you send out blaziken against primal kyogre

[sudden remnant]

its working 🤷‍♂️

[cyan smelt]

Until it origin pulses

[sudden remnant]

you mean the one it missed twice

[cyan smelt]

It only needs to hit once

[sudden remnant]

id hope an origin pulse would kill my chicken currently chilling at 14 hp

i tanked 2 ice beams and a body slam

my chicken is just that guy

how the hell does the whale die to my swellow

huh 😭

[rare pumice]

swellow a great pokemon

[sudden remnant]

im running boomburst💀

if you take a peek at swellows stats it is not special

[cyan smelt]

What is ur team for primal kyogre anyway

[sudden remnant]

cosplay pikachu gardevoir swellow lombre latias blaziken

[cyan smelt]

Cosplay pikachu sweep

[sudden remnant]

im using it for nuzzle+rock smash rn

i dont have a light ball yet

gotta go back to the safari zone

bye blaziken lmao

crit origine pulse is slightly overkill

just slightly

[rare pumice]

i refuse to forsake stab facade guts with 125 base speed

[sudden remnant]

i have facade

boomburst fly facade focus energy

(its my fly mon rn)

[lost sun]

walrein

[sudden remnant]

should have seen guts fly do 75% of kyogres health bar

was cinema

[rare pumice]

somebody convince me not to get a competitive toucannon

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-what-am-i-reading-what-am-i-looking-at-guy-looking-at-paper-jimmy-butler-looking-at-paper-gif-10656430272991200421

[hollow latch]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-i-don't-i-don't-think-i-will-i-don't-think-captain-america-gif-2434807450742718320

[sudden remnant]

THIS FUCKING WHALE

[rare pumice]

it gets tailwind and i only just now realized it can use life orb plus sheer force

[sudden remnant]

my latias knows thunder if i get tired of this whale

it just doesnt know that

[waxen dock]

thats not that bulky

[sudden remnant]

i made oopsie

[lost sun]

have u seen the other bulky options for oras

not like Ur going against ev trained Pokémon anyway

[bold geode]

@foggy lodge man Terapagos blows dude

[waxen dock]

mega sablye

[lost sun]

pretty sure the guy was asking for one against the pkyogre fight in as

[foggy lodge]

You are not allowed to say this after a parting shot into clam Korai play

[bold geode]

Nah I saw it not KO CSR or Koraidon at +2 with Tera Stellar Tera Starstorm

Like they both lived it pretty handily

[novel fjord]

Do i need to prepare rauquaza for pokemon champions rn or catch it in the future?

[chrome knot]

future

[novel fjord]

Why, i have everything else prepared

[chrome knot]

not in format for long time

[novel fjord]

I really don't need anything else for reg M-A so i can prepare mons for future formats

[solid frigate]

They literally live it comfortably lol

Around 60-70% damage,roughly enough to sweep Pagos teams

[indigo coral]

Swampert, Dragonite, Meganium

[indigo coral]

Still think not getting STAB on that is a bug they never fixed, no shot that was an intentional decision

[rare pumice]

the star storm move isn't stab?

[solid frigate]

It loses stab

And weaker because of spread damage

[bold geode]

Oh it's full Stellar type when it teras?

Oh wait Tera Starstorm turns to a Stellar move I'm dumb

[solid frigate]

That’s like one of the main reason why it’s damage becomes so lacking

[bold geode]

I mean even the first kinda lacks

[rare pumice]

terapagos can only be steller type righ?

[bold geode]

Yeah it can't be a different tera type

[solid frigate]

Actually Single Target Starstorm is still kinda strong

120 BP STAB without side effects

[bold geode]

My favorite Terapagos style is still Decorate Specs

[solid frigate]

Not the Decorate Specs and magically becomes +3 Pagos

[lost sun]

most u need to prepare for champs is just catching the Pokémon u need and the items ig

[rare pumice]

it's kind of weird for it to turn into a steller type move if it can only be super effective against terastalized pokemon

i mean it'll never be in a situation where both opponents are terastalized so that just kind of seems weird to me

[rare pumice]

the really just did all kinds of weird stuff with zamazenta's moveset in gen 8 huh

[lost sun]

normal hits nothing for super tho

[rare pumice]

yea it's just that making it a spread move was the confusing part of it to me

[jade dust]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2575189305

Those Weezing caly shadow teams are annoying

[versed river]

if it wasnt spread terapagos would be ultra washed

[rare pumice]

i tried gen 6 ou just to try and experience what my favorite gen was like back then, and i was doing surprisingly well wit ha breloom and a rotom wash combo

[foggy lodge]

Where is Pao

[chrome knot]

ate him

[vernal cipher]

Can someone help me finish this team I'm building for VGC Doubles in Pokemon Champions. So far I have Mega Froslass, Kingambit, Primerina, and Rillaboom.

[rare pumice]

garganacl might be helpful for dealing with fire types more consistently, and as a bonus it's immune to spore and can take ghost type attacks for froslass

plus with aurora veil it's gonna be even more tanky than usual

[jade dust]

That team looks slow without speed control

[vernal cipher]

I have Grass+Water pledge on Primerina and Rillaboom and I was looking into putting Murkrow on the team for Prankster Tailwind and Haze (to deal with Dondozo+Tatsugiri

[jade dust]

I think you should add another mega add well for the times mega froslass is bad

[vernal cipher]

I thought the same, but I didn't know what. What would you suggest?

[jade dust]

Mega Audino

Actually mega Salamance looks good

Ditch Murkrow and have 2 attacking moves and tailwind

Add a fire type instead

[vernal cipher]

Should I put Haze on Froslass to deal with Dondozo then?

[jade dust]

Yes

You don’t need ghost stab that much cuz overlaps with dark

Which gambit has

[vernal cipher]

So run Aurora Veil, Blizzard, Haze, Protect?

[jade dust]

Yes

Idk exactly what Rilla is doing here. I think Amoonguss would be better to punish trick room

Or can keep Rilla but add fire type with taunt

And make Primarina as slow as possible

[vernal cipher]

I was thinking of adding Incinaroar for the double fake out

[jade dust]

That can work

[vernal cipher]

And yeah Primerina is slow so it can move second with Rillaboom and use its special attack stat for the Water+Grass pledge

[jade dust]

Kingambit I’m not sure if Incineroar is in

I was thinking volcarona might be better

If that’s available

You actually shouldn’t worry much about trick room since gambit is slow and Primarina too
And Rilla has priority

[foggy lodge]

ok

[craggy dagger]

90 speed….

[solid frigate]

It’s a swift swim support maybe

[molten oasis]

POLIWAG???

Yk people are bored if they’re playing POLIWAG

[foggy lodge]

Pengy is also 8-0 with Raichu

[jade dust]

When you start Crown Tundra but never finished the story and you heard Calyrex was strong

Walt wtf

It’s not caly solo, the horse doesn’t have a sprite lmfao

[lilac falcon]

Why did this do so little damage?

[next stump]

Water spout does damage based on HP remaining

[sudden remnant]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

MY GOAT

[jade dust]

1 HP water spout hits like a wet noodle

Works exactly the same than eruption

[solid frigate]

And Dragon Energy

[cyan smelt]

Groudon needs a second physical spread move

[shadow wind]

Eq

[cyan smelt]

One that's not nerfed by rilla

[sudden remnant]

gl with that

[sudden remnant]

does groudon live a terrain boosted gglide from rilla anyways you're the groudon guy

[cyan smelt]

Maybe if they buffed mega metagross they'll buff primal groudon

[shadow wind]

Thing bounces off

It’s a gglide

And he has 140 defense

[sudden remnant]

but its bp is boosted by the terrain

[shadow wind]

And?

It’s still like a 70 BP move

A 55 BP move with stab lorb doesn’t necessarily do ground breaking damage

[sudden remnant]

why did they give grass type verizion 130 SpD

for what reason

[knotty briar]

Bit of a longshot, but is there anyone who's an expert on gen 3 OU?

[stone trellis]

I think he can also survive Wood Hammer with some HP and Defense investment, no?

[cyan smelt]

Isn't groudon's worst enemy hearthflame, not rilla

Oh wait, cornerstone

[warm estuary]

Raichu???

Is 8-0????

[warm estuary]

Bc kyogre is 1hp

[sudden remnant]

dont disrespect my boi

[warm estuary]

I mean jt was unexpected

[sudden remnant]

raichu is goated

[warm estuary]

I guess

Raichu is mid tbh

[sudden remnant]

raichu is goated

fake out lightning rod nuzzle endeavor

what more do you want

[warm estuary]

Meh

I wouldn’t use him

[cyan smelt]

If wolfe says raichu is a good pokemon that's enough for me

[sudden remnant]

[warm estuary]

Also @sudden remnant you catched that kyogre right

[sudden remnant]

i killed it

like 12 times

[warm estuary]

Good point

[sudden remnant]

and then just rage quit

[warm estuary]

LOL

Rip kyogre

[sudden remnant]

my whole team was underleveled btw

how the fuck was i killing the whale

[warm estuary]

You said you ev trained them

[sudden remnant]

2 of them

blaziken and latias

[warm estuary]

Apparently good enough to beat kyogre

[sudden remnant]

apparently 🫠

[cyan smelt]

Should have used raichu

[sudden remnant]

i have a cosplay pikachu

[cyan smelt]

Can that hold light ball

[sudden remnant]

unfortunately all immusing it for is nuzzle rn cuz i dont have access to focus sash yet

[sudden remnant]

yes but i dont feel like going to the safari zone

[cyan smelt]

I forgot how complicated old games were

[sudden remnant]

pikachu isnt available in oras outside the safari zone

[warm estuary]

Wait how old is oras

[sudden remnant]

and the cosplay one you get from the contest hall

[sudden remnant]

2014/2015

[warm estuary]

Wow

I excepted older for some reason

[sudden remnant]

xy was 2014 and oras came out shortly after

excuse me

late 2013 for XY

[warm estuary]

I taught 2011

I’m dumb

[sudden remnant]

nope thats BW

[warm estuary]

I have An iq to low

[sudden remnant]

its okay i also have the stupid

[warm estuary]

Oh at least something realesed that year

[sudden remnant]

but yeah i killed the whale

and RAICHU IS GOATED

and Wolfey agrees so who are we to argue

[warm estuary]

Guess you are right

If wolfey said it

[novel fjord]

Can Whimsicott work in rain?

[sudden remnant]

yes?????

cotton ball is universal

[novel fjord]

But Whimsicott don't have rain dance

[sudden remnant]

no it doesnt

but its a universal prankster support

[novel fjord]

So i can use Whimsicott in every team except TR?

[sudden remnant]

i mean its funny you say that

cuz whimsicott learns trick room

dont ask me why i have no clue

[novel fjord]

He is faster than tornadus, so TR is useless

[sudden remnant]

which is why its funny

[novel fjord]

And how useful is Incineror in rain?

[sudden remnant]

it does not care about the rain lmao

it doesnt tend to run a fire move anyways

[novel fjord]

Flare blitz?

[sudden remnant]

doesnt run it on rain teams

doesnt generally run it at all actually

its usually fake out knock off parting shot and willowisp i think?

[novel fjord]

Incineroar
Ability: Intimidate

• Throat Chop
• Fake Out
• Parting Shot
• Helping Hand

Something like this?

[sudden remnant]

what the fuck are you cooking

is this for champions???

[novel fjord]

Yes

[sudden remnant]

i mean i guess 😭

idk how good HH will be but sure

[novel fjord]

Will o wisp or protect?

[sudden remnant]

will o wisp

incin does not run protect like ever

[novel fjord]

What's wrong with helping hand?

[sudden remnant]

nothings wrong with it i just think incin has other moves it would rather have

[novel fjord]

And how to use tinkaton?

[sudden remnant]

uh

mold breaker fake out

thats like the only unique thing it can do

[novel fjord]

I want to use something like
Mega greninja/swampert peliper archaludone Whimsicott (with beat up) incineror tinkaton

Is this a good idea?

[sudden remnant]

i mean

you might want the swampert cuz youd have a major weakness to a punch with greninja

[novel fjord]

Swampert isn't confirmed yet, so idk what mega should i use

[sudden remnant]

idk gang i dont even know who im
using

[novel fjord]

Mega zard y also sounds good, but swampert is really cool pokemon, so for anyone who don't like mudkip more than his life i would recommend zard y

[sudden remnant]

i wont lie

i do like MUDKIP but i DONT like swampert

and im not a fan of zard either

[novel fjord]

Kangashan?

[sudden remnant]

thats a supportive mega

[novel fjord]

Idk, lucario z

[warm estuary]

Will also prob be a support mega

Especially if it gets prankster

[sudden remnant]

i hope not with 160 special attack

[warm estuary]

I mean

Prankster

[sudden remnant]

it has base 151 speed what the fuck does it need prankster for

[warm estuary]

Prankster

[sudden remnant]

it has

[novel fjord]

Coaching

[sudden remnant]

IT HAS 151 BASE SPEED??????

[novel fjord]

Tr coaching

[warm estuary]

Acting like someone is gonna use coaching

[sudden remnant]

why are we using a pokemon with 164 special attack and 151 speed in trick room

[sudden remnant]

i have the right to remain silent

[warm estuary]

Coaching sucks

[novel fjord]

His preevo used coaching, i seen it

[sudden remnant]

you suck

[warm estuary]

I’m a coaching hater

Coaching sucks

[sudden remnant]

yes prankster riolu is relevant

[warm estuary]

It’s a bad move

[sudden remnant]

@stone trellis get this guy

[warm estuary]

Just use helping hand

[sudden remnant]

why would i use helping hand when coaching lasts more than 1 turn

and gives a defense boost as well

[stone trellis]

We get it, you weren't hugged as a child.

[warm estuary]

Even if on paper coaching is better, it secretly sucks

[sudden remnant]

true

[sudden remnant]

what are you smoking

[warm estuary]

True

Wait

[sudden remnant]

paul this guy has never seen our coaching ice rider

[novel fjord]

https://pokepast.es/7e4b83c4a8d5f8aa

[sudden remnant]

hell yeah

[stone trellis]

"Our"?

[sudden remnant]

yes

[stone trellis]

Bitch.

[sudden remnant]

ive used the team a lot

[warm estuary]

I mean I guess

[novel fjord]

Same

[sudden remnant]

not that team specifically

[stone trellis]

All you did was give me the Calyrex, I had to spit blood for that shiny male Hisuian Basculegion.

[sudden remnant]

i still use it

[stone trellis]

And I'd spent months perfecting the team before that.

It's still my team, your usage of it doesn't make it yours.

Unless you use different Pokemon overall.

[sudden remnant]

😝

bleh

[novel fjord]

I understand, I'm offended, you think I'm stupid

[sudden remnant]

no i just like pauls team

i also really really like iron valiant as a pokemon

[novel fjord]

I'm talking about that i don't need this explanation

[sudden remnant]

yeah i know

i was explaining why lmao

[stone trellis]

Does it work in Reg I?

[sudden remnant]

i mean i easily climbed the ladder with it

like really easily

[stone trellis]

Because the main reason that team thrived was that it farmed all the mythicals everyone was spamming in Reg J.

[stone trellis]

Did you develop a consistent strategy for CSR-Zama + Rilla?

[sudden remnant]

not really but i dont need to win every game

and some of them completely misplay or predicted stuff i did not do

my general strategy for those MUs is my surprise factor and my odd playstyle

[novel fjord]

Waiting until we get prankster on every mon with coaching so everyone can spam coaching

[sudden remnant]

😨

[stone trellis]

Iron Valiant with Prankster would be the most annoying fucker ever.

[sudden remnant]

would never see a damaging attack on it again

[stone trellis]

Spirit Break is still awesome.

It 2-shots most of the physically "frail" restricteds.

[sudden remnant]

also does respectable damage to most legendaries in general

[novel fjord]

Iron Valiant @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 248 HP / 8 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Destiny Bond
• Encore
• Disable
• Coaching

[sudden remnant]

😭

[stone trellis]

That's brimstone.

Also, is that a fucking singles build?

[sudden remnant]

coaching would fail in singles wouldnt it

[stone trellis]

Who in their right mind uses 248/8/252 in VGC?

You're wasting a full point that way!

[sudden remnant]

why covert cloak tera steel just run tera ghost with a sash

[stone trellis]

To resist Fairy, Poison and Psychic, if I had to guess.

[sudden remnant]

wouldnt tera bug do almost the same thing

[novel fjord]

Sorry, I'm to lazy to perfectly calculate stupid meme

[stone trellis]

Which of those three does it resist?

[sudden remnant]

8 evs is wasting 4 points in a different stat

[novel fjord]

Ev are suggested by showdown

[sudden remnant]

i see the problem now

[stone trellis]

Great job, nephew!

[sudden remnant]

oh i thought it resisted fairy icl

🤷‍♂️

[hollow latch]

ur giving bug to many credit 😭

[sudden remnant]

bug is a goated type

[stone trellis]

Offensively? Nah.

[sudden remnant]

grass but better in every way except the spore immunity

[stone trellis]

It's way worse offensively.

[sudden remnant]

most bug types have tinted lens anyways

[stone trellis]

Also doesn't have a terrain of its own.

[novel fjord]

Tera bug struggle bug vivilon is super strong sweeper

[sudden remnant]

youve become to rillaboom coded

[sudden remnant]

genuinely are you a singles player

[novel fjord]

No, VGC

[stone trellis]

Au contraire, I fucking hate it.

[sudden remnant]

why are you sweeping with a 50 bp move

[novel fjord]

Because why not

[sudden remnant]

must be a singles player 😑

has to be

[sudden remnant]

same why is that monkey so strong 😭

[novel fjord]

Why?

Struggle bug is the strongest spread bug type move

[sudden remnant]

cuz spread moves do reduced damage in double battles and its bp is only 50 😭

[novel fjord]

I know

[sudden remnant]

so what are you sweeping? mono dark teams???

[novel fjord]

Mono malamar 0 iv hp and sp def team

With full physical set

[sudden remnant]

malamar is trash anyways even with full ivs

carried by contrary

[novel fjord]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tera Bug Vivillon Struggle Bug (60 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Malamar: 336-400 (208.6 - 248.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[sudden remnant]

is this accounting for it being a double battle

[novel fjord]

Yes

My strategy is perfect

[sudden remnant]

why are we specs vivillon

what the hell is this

[novel fjord]

Why not

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-intense-scare-gif-21112634

[novel fjord]

Sweeper vivilon

[sudden remnant]

one mon outspeeding you and its over

and a LOT outspeed vivillon

[novel fjord]

Prankster Whimsicott tailwind+fake tears

[sudden remnant]

that doesnt stop mons from outspeeding vivillon

[novel fjord]

Why?

[sudden remnant]

a LOT outspeeds this pokemon

and its defenses are HORRIBLE

[novel fjord]

With tailwind vivilon is faster than calyrex

[sudden remnant]

does no one use fire type pokemon?

no one?

[novel fjord]

Cleafary, calyrex, rilaboom, urshifu, incineror with will o wisp, zamazenta, chien pao, 0 fire type moves

[sudden remnant]

they dont need fire type moves

[novel fjord]

Vivilon can outspeed every one of them with tailwind

[sudden remnant]

clefairy next to calyrex the calyrex should not die

unless they have the mental capacity of a 2 year old

also what do you do if they have wide guard

[novel fjord]

Fake tears Whimsicott+ eject button in chi yu

[novel fjord]

Cry

[sudden remnant]

😭

[hollow latch]

https://tenor.com/view/xingxing-xing-xing-xing-xingif-macaca-gif-3155745817686344875

its heat ( iam gaslighting myself)

[sudden remnant]

one scarf fire fish and its over

one random wide guard and its also over

[novel fjord]

In which team?

[sudden remnant]

the enemies

[novel fjord]

You can still use other 3 mons

[sudden remnant]

yeah but so can they

[novel fjord]

No they can't, because vivilon can be used as a weapon for psychological intimidation

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-meme-tom-and-jerry-meme-jerry-points-get-a-load-of-this-guy-this-guy-gif-11384860625931393733

if theyre intimidated by a specs vivillon they might need a new hobby

[novel fjord]

*Shiny vivilon in master ball

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/zoro-miles-morales-miles-shocked-surprise-gif-13646668700392851337

[novel fjord]

Wait, are we still talking seriously, because sweeper vivilon is just a joke

[sudden remnant]

im praying youre joking

im not religious and im praying rn

[novel fjord]

Vivilon isn't a sweeper, he can be useful only if you need snarl user, amoongus and Tailwind user and you only have 1 slot in the team

[sudden remnant]

hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[sudden remnant]

i know what its for i love vivillon

[novel fjord]

Sweeper vivillon is something only one person can do, and this person is Wolfe glick

[sudden remnant]

he absolutely would too

[novel fjord]

Yes, Sliggoo-Hisui as a wincon is so funny

And he used it

[sudden remnant]

also aaron cybertron zang could also probably do it

[sudden remnant]

i know ive watched ever singly wolfey video

[novel fjord]

Is this exact raichu still good?
Raichu @ Assault Vest
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 36 HP / 204 Def / 20 SpA / 68 SpD / 180 Spe
Timid Nature

• Fake Out
• Volt Switch
• Endeavor
• Nuzzle

[lost sun]

isn't endeavour only usable from that one Pikachu event

[sudden remnant]

no

how long have you been out of the loop jeez

[novel fjord]

In gen 6 yes, in other no

[lost sun]

just not seen anyone use it

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-ross-geller-david-schwimmer-tv-series-american-sitcom-gif-17315839

[hollow latch]

no way i am playing against a villion player rn

[sudden remnant]

💀

[bold geode]

Vivillon isn't the worst mon

Especially in your lower power formats

[sudden remnant]

uh would you say the same if you saw the conversation earlier

choice specs struggle bug

[bold geode]

Nah it's a support you Sash

[sudden remnant]

i know

just… read back a bit

[bold geode]

Compound Eyes
Sleep Powder Hurricane shit

Nah idt I will

[hollow latch]

i lost to it ahhhhhhhh

[sudden remnant]

smart choice

[hollow latch]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-anguish-despair-gif-13915908866750092639

[sudden remnant]

was it offensive lmao

and do you have the replay i wanna see this

[hollow latch]

first of i didnt know what the team does and i played absolutely bad because i wanna tryvsalamence but damn

https://replays.vgcpast.es//Gen9Pre-ChampionsVGC/Gen9Pre-ChampionsVGC_Jongo09_kbwspotted_battle-gen9prechampionsvgc-445562.html

here u go xD

[sudden remnant]

LMAO

[hollow latch]

dont wanna talk about it

[sudden remnant]

now THATS how you use vivillon

how the hell do you have your archaludon built btw

why did it die to that hypervoice

[foggy lodge]

There's an Araquanid in top 8 of Querétaro LOL

[sudden remnant]

how did the 8-0 raichu end up

[foggy lodge]

I forget that Araquanid is probably the second best bug type ever

[bold geode]

Araquanid goated

Actually isn't it's Spdef pretty good

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[foggy lodge]

well uh

[bold geode]

How much do you take from CSR Psychic

[foggy lodge]

It has good spd but bad hp

And its electric seed

And its infestation araquanid😭

[bold geode]

Cuz Araquanid with Wide Guard seems like it'd be something for Zam.CSR

[foggy lodge]

Yeah its for csr zama

Both are infestated now lol

[bold geode]

Remember when Gavin used Basculegion for Zam CSR

[foggy lodge]

Horses let you do crazy stuff

[sudden remnant]

🥺

[foggy lodge]

Top 16 Raichu

[sudden remnant]

WOOOOOOOOOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-woooo-yeah-baby-gif-24480925

[bold geode]

Me and Drago joked about it during Kian and Stefan's set like "yeah bro Raichu solos trust"

[sudden remnant]

it does

raichu is the goat

[foggy lodge]

Idk what Raichu even does there

Like I get its for Miraidon but do you even use it in another match outside of Miraidon

[sudden remnant]

yes

[bold geode]

Yeah who knows LMAO

[sudden remnant]

fake out nuzzle is a lot of utility

[foggy lodge]

Pengy's team seems weak to it so like it makes sense but what else do you use it for

[bold geode]

Did Seung just win

[sudden remnant]

surely its fake out nuzzle volt switch endeavor right

[bold geode]

Oh Freezai won

[foggy lodge]

Its fake out volt switch feint helping hand

Its so weird but tbh its also the same team from the gut who used a scyther to exclusively patch the Mausape MU in reg H

[sudden remnant]

no nuzzle? ☹️

[foggy lodge]

Nah it ain't that useful if you are only using it against Miraidon

[bold geode]

The Scyther was fire

[sudden remnant]

🙁

[chrome knot]

freezai in top4

[bold geode]

Ooh this is gonna be a good one

[sudden remnant]

might be a dumb question but is it on twitch

yes

cool

[chrome knot]

yuh

[sudden remnant]

rip shifu

[bold geode]

Is that Jolly Rilla?

[chrome knot]

idk!

[bold geode]

@foggy lodge what speed does Jolly Rilla hit

[sudden remnant]

252 jolly 150

[bold geode]

Ok that's Jolly Rilla

Zacian at neutral
Yikes

[sudden remnant]

COME ON ZACIANNNNN

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[bold geode]

HOLY SHIT LMFAO

[next stump]

LOLLLL

that’s tough

[bold geode]

Zacian doing Zacian things lol

[sudden remnant]

as a wise man once said if its not 100% accurate its 50% 😔

[chrome knot]

LMAOOOO

[waxen dock]

Kian was robbed with the play rough miss

[sudden remnant]

he had that in the bag

and the play rough miss threw it all away

[chrome knot]

tbf if paul jus took 1 mon at a time it was game anyways

idk why he double attacked lowk acro never killed & idt rilla was ever being doubled into

[sudden remnant]

it wasnt kian was trying to ohko the korai

[chrome knot]

yes i know😭

[sudden remnant]

tpci please make play rough 100% accurate in champions

i mean i can hope cuz they made it an autolock move in ZA

HEYYYYYYY

THERE WE GO

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-woooo-yeah-baby-gif-24480925

why isnt he swapping out the whale

[chrome knot]

to what

[sudden remnant]

maybe a shifu in the back?

does shifu eat a glacial lance?

oh that works

[foggy lodge]

ggs kian

Rilla wins alone now

[wispy spade]

Never done mega stuffs, so need to clarify weather order. Is this how things should work?
Turn 0: Torkoal Draught
Turn 1: Mega Frosslass Snow Warning, Tornadus Prankster Rain Dance, Blissey Sandstorm.

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it should go like that

[sudden remnant]

yeah kian loses

o7

[wispy spade]

How do i set the format to champions on showdown? i want to try some team making and need to see what pokemon are in

[sudden remnant]

we dont have all the confirmed mons yet

[rare pumice]

do male pokemon pass down hidden abilities less frequently than female pokemon do?

[sudden remnant]

i dont think so?

[bold geode]

Yeah GGs

[sudden remnant]

he was robbed of that first game

[wispy spade]

can't you guarantee hidden ability with some item?

[bold geode]

Just a rough MU there if imma be honest and that Play Rough miss definitely was rough

[sudden remnant]

[foggy lodge]

Game 1 you get haxxed and game 2 you just get outplayed

[bold geode]

A MU where you probably can't really afford to miss like that

[wispy spade]

i may be thinking of something else then

[sudden remnant]

you can guarantee i think its 5 of one of the parents ivs with a destiny knot

and a hisuain form of a mon with an everstone

and egg moves by one of the parents having them and the parent can also get them if theyre holding a mirror herb

i think you dont actually need the mirror herb anymore

i think the mirror herb just lets you keep the egg moves if you change it and want it back later

ive done a lot of breeding in SV send help 🫩

[next stump]

Richard might be on the most generationally lucky run of all time

I missed two draco’s into his tera dragon zamazenta to get knocked out of day 2

he gets a double protect to stall out nick navarre in cut

he lives on 1HP to win game 1 here

[chrome knot]

😭😭

[waxen dock]

well you went 7-2 after fighting him

[chrome knot]

@bold geode im gonna die i want to grind champs so bad its the dumb regional motivation

[sudden remnant]

wait you were in the tournament?

[next stump]

Yeah I am a loser and go to most of these american ones

[chrome knot]

highfive me2

[sudden remnant]

can i see the team 🥺

[next stump]

https://pokepast.es/c8de9e1a8c5e0808

Richard winning the regional

The gods are on his side

[sudden remnant]

mirai icy with poni the goat

w team

[waxen dock]

richard vs freezai finals would be 🔥

[wispy spade]

can you knock off mega stones?

[sudden remnant]

no

[wispy spade]

does it count as no item for the damage then?

[bold geode]

Real

[sudden remnant]

yes

[bold geode]

Bro is the 4 leaf clover

[leaden fox]

Still making a few final touches to my team for Champions; here's hoping it runs well

[sudden remnant]

unfortunate loss

[waxen dock]

i was right

[chrome knot]

FREEZAI FINALSSS

[bold geode]

Imma say it

Not competing in irl events for 2-3 years and coming back and hitting finals your first event back is aura

[chrome knot]

he plays literally every format

coached slimecicle in pchal nuzlocke vgc event

hes nowhere near unfamiliar

[bold geode]

Yeah but at the same time online and irl events a lil different I guess

Also did Richard just run out of time there or some shit

[chrome knot]

irl tours are easier

[bold geode]

How is the pressure of an event less than the ladder

[chrome knot]

irl tours don’t have the massive playerpool of premier online tours

filters out ALOT of global talent

freezai plays in like EVERY high skill tournament

[bold geode]

Yeah I mean sure
There is probably pressure rn but like
Freezai just does so much

Almost another day at the office

Helps to have that experience

[foggy lodge]

This goes to game 3

[bold geode]

Just as I was talking LOL

[forest arrow]

Dang CSR lived

[foggy lodge]

Ok he knows it's bolt

[bold geode]

Richard won that game cuz he could decide what moves to click LOL

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

Im not sure if i like dnite here

[bold geode]

Eh TW is up though
Where do we go from here

[forest arrow]

Was letting Zama go down there the play?

[bold geode]

Actually you want Dnite now

Meh idk

Yikes that's in Sucker range maybe

That was supposed to be TClap into Pao imo

[forest arrow]

Damn

I agree

[bold geode]

Damn

[forest arrow]

Good turn

[dense latch]

freezai gave him an out by protecting csr

[forest arrow]

Yeah it was attack with both there

[foggy lodge]

I told y'all

[forest arrow]

Av Chien Pao going crazy

[foggy lodge]

The bad thing about singles is that most VGC players don't have an incentivize to play singles unlike how there is for singles players yo play VGC

[forest arrow]

I mean have you ever played a hardcore nuzlocke? Shits fun lol

[bold geode]

THE NEXT EVENT IS PRAGUE

[bold geode]

That sucks cuz OU is actually so good to play if you're a VGC player

[indigo coral]

Well yeah, VGC players obviously don't have an incentive to play the made up nonofficial Smogon fan formats. Very few useful skills for VGC you can glean from those that VGC won't already teach you. There have been a very small handful of BSS events this generation though, and those were extremely fun.

[bold geode]

Man of few words

[sudden remnant]

what wlse does he need to say

shoutout to my opponent for forfeiting?

[bold geode]

No

Usually people say more but in all his interviews Freezai didn't say much

[foggy lodge]

Querétaro finals now

[rustic mountain]

csr zama mirror finals

[molten oasis]

Good format

[chrome knot]

it was a good set

[fresh remnant]

yooo anyone mind coaching me or just helping a brother climb ladder ?

@chrome knot

[chrome knot]

no bruh

[foggy lodge]

@bold geode this team is wild https://pokepast.es/676404207df665b4

[bold geode]

Tera Bug Zamazenta is crazy

That team is kinda crazy

[sudden remnant]

oof lmao

[rustic mountain]

it was

[grand spire]

mega audino gonna be viable in champion

[molten oasis]

No

[grand spire]

yes

healer with guts ursulana

[dense latch]

im sure the 30% chance to let ursaluna take slightly less chip from burn will make it super viable

[rustic mountain]

audino is very low on the list of megas u should b using lmao

[dense latch]

it's at best a cresselia sidegrade which also takes up your mega slot

[solid frigate]

Fuck no

[cyan smelt]

Is m-ray gonna be viable

[solid frigate]

Dude it’s mega Ray

It would survive natural selection

[cyan smelt]

I love m-ray

[dense latch]

it's 10000% gonna be viable

at the very least

[cyan smelt]

How's it gonna work because it doesn't have a mega stone

[solid frigate]

Dragon Ascent and you can mega

[dense latch]

it can just hold any item

[cyan smelt]

That automatically makes it better than most megas

[dense latch]

even if the meta is super rough for it it should still get a good bit of usage

[cyan smelt]

I'm gonna need to look up the list of old and new megas and see what looks good

[solid frigate]

Although Miraidon could on paper decimate all the weather trio (with Primals)

Groudon would be shitty MU tho

[dense latch]

180 offenses will never not be crazy

[cyan smelt]

180 attack e-speed

[solid frigate]

Espeed Dragon ascent,Swords Dance protect

[cyan smelt]

Chien pao partner holy shit

[dense latch]

it also ran av mixed sets in 2019

[cyan smelt]

I kinda want to run av chien pao next to clam m-ray

[dense latch]

i hope the tapus and ultra beasts are in the game at some point

[cyan smelt]

Same it's time for fini to make a comeback

And stakataka

[cyan smelt]

U have a preference for psychic types

[sudden remnant]

only 11 out of this list is psychic

the trio of justice are based off of lions

and then poor keldeo is a pony

[cyan smelt]

Future soj or present soj

[sudden remnant]

present

[cyan smelt]

Also keldeo is a special attacker and they gave it justified

[sudden remnant]

i know

[cyan smelt]

Ik it's in keeping with the musketeers theme but still

[sudden remnant]

LOL

POOR KELDEO

[cyan smelt]

My fav legendary trio are the legendary cats

[sudden remnant]

im sure you saw both versions of suicune high on the list

[cyan smelt]

Too bad ww is ass

[sudden remnant]

i continued the list and the number of psychic types did not increase

[cyan smelt]

At least bolt and gouging fire are good

[sudden remnant]

gonna pretend you didnt say that to me

moving along

[cyan smelt]

Maybe it's just when i use it lol

Whenever it's used against me it's op

[sudden remnant]

idk bro ive used it to great success

ive used it in sun in rain and in no weather at all with a booster energy

very good and versatile pokemon

[cyan smelt]

In restricted formats?

[shadow wind]

It needs a really specific kind of support

And even then it’s like a 13% bring chance

[cyan smelt]

Is that specific kind of support groudon

[shadow wind]

Whenever I use it it puts in work but only in like 10% of matches

[shadow wind]

Groudon definitely likes wake more than Koraidon but more so reliable switches and pivots

Even AV doesn’t like switching into moves

And things like Volc make it a lot better

[cyan smelt]

Volc in sun must be really good

[sudden remnant]

i used it in reg I bruh

so yes

[shadow wind]

How are they supposed to know

[sudden remnant]

cuz i yapped about the team a lot

like a lot

[shadow wind]

I mean I know nothing about this team you’re talking about and I’ve been pretty active for a while now

[sudden remnant]

it was the previous instance of reg I

when they revealed reg I again i just quit SV vgc entirely

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/kingpin-spiderverse-click-wait-patience-gif-15649873037655585839

[sudden remnant]

please can wednesday come any faster

[shadow wind]

Lowkey hope Wednesday never comes

[drifting notch]

the starter pack is a separate thing from the battlepass right?

[cyan smelt]

I lowk haven't touched my switch 2 in ages

[sudden remnant]

si

[cyan smelt]

How much $$$ am i gonna have to drop on champions

[drifting notch]

starter pack is 6 or 7 bucks according to nintento store

battlepasses are usually 10 bucks unless they are greedier

[cyan smelt]

So i should only pay for the yearly thing if i get back into playing vgc regularly

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[drifting notch]

you mean the nintendo switch online membership?

if so, google at least says you dont need nso to play champions, from most stuff i've read

gonna have to wait and see till wed to see how accurate it is

[cyan smelt]

No i mean the champions yearly subscription

[drifting notch]

wait that thing has a sub?

what for? i thought it was just free with microtransactions

[cyan smelt]

The articles on google say it has a yearly subscription

[sudden remnant]

it had battle pass tiers for cosmetics and shi

it is just micro transactions

FUCK YOU JOE BIDEN

[drifting notch]

oh the subscription isnt mandatory apparently, its 49,99 for 1 year and gives more storage, more battle teams, exclusive missions for members and exclusive battle themes/songs

technically you can do "without" it but with how limited the f2p version seems, its borderline mandatory

[torpid hearth]

How many boxes do i get without paying is my question

[drifting notch]

i think default is 30 slots, think thats one box

starter pack bumps it to 80

[torpid hearth]

That is rough

[sudden remnant]

to be fair it is a 1 time permanent purchase for a solid 7usd

[drifting notch]

nintendo store said 6.99 even tho im seeing 9.99 as well

so store price should be the accurate

[sudden remnant]

9.99 might be canadian

[drifting notch]

mayhaps

[cyan smelt]

Can't wait for mega ray

[drifting notch]

im eu so its probably 7 euros for me as well

[cyan smelt]

I'm au so it's going to be more expensive

[drifting notch]

its because of those australian spooders

[cyan smelt]

Nintendo is scared of how good australian gamers are so they charge us more

[drifting notch]

everything is just bigger in au, so prices are higher

[sudden remnant]

does that include the spiders

[drifting notch]

if you exclude starter which is a one time purchase, its 50 bucks yearly + apparently also 6.99 for battle pass altho that seems sus for bp price

[cyan smelt]

Is it going to take capsule energy every time i want to transfer something in

[drifting notch]

thats about whatever i could find and have read, no clue about the rest

[sudden remnant]

we dont know if it will have a transfer feature like POGO as far as i am aware

[cyan smelt]

$1 to transfer ur incineroar in

[sudden remnant]

make it 100

fuck that fucking cat

[cyan smelt]

Incin will still dominate the meta even if it costs $100

[sudden remnant]

for sure

it does lose knock off which is good

but like. oh noooo its not like it has a million other moves it can run or anything

HOW THEY GONNA HATE MY BOI MANECTRIC HES A GOOD DOG

[cyan smelt]

Incin will just run throat chop instead

[sudden remnant]

the only thing manectric needs is access to more coverage than just overheat and snarl

like game freak why did we disrespect my boi like this

[cyan smelt]

How's mega scolipede

[sudden remnant]

slower than base

they gave it the mega garchomp treatment

[cyan smelt]

Why did they do that to my boi

[sudden remnant]

so you wouldnt want tto mega turn 1 you want to stack up a couple speed boosts first

which is bad

[cyan smelt]

It's too squishy for that

[sudden remnant]

exactly

can guarantee maybe 2 speed boosts. protect a turn and idk slow teammate with friend guard and recovery to live for a second?

[cyan smelt]

Not even worth it

[sudden remnant]

idk they disrespected the fuck out of scolipede

[cyan smelt]

They always do with bug types

[sudden remnant]

beedril intensifies

although pinsir would definitely like a word

[sudden remnant]

sheeeeeeeesh

[cyan smelt]

Not as good as mence

[sudden remnant]

its not supposed to be

mence is a psuedo pinsir is a fucking bug

[cyan smelt]

Just give us a single good bug type without 4x weakness i'm begging you gf

[sudden remnant]

araquanid wants a word

[cyan smelt]

Since when was araquanid good lol

[sudden remnant]

oh ye of little faith

[cyan smelt]

Maybe golisopod will be good

Actually, araquanid on paper is good against primal groudon

[sudden remnant]

araquanid is a good pokemon

[sudden remnant]

this is a genuine good pokemon

[cyan smelt]

What does it do

[sudden remnant]

water bubble boosted liquidation

smacks shit harder than that 70 base attack would suggest

[cyan smelt]

Ts is so ass

[sudden remnant]

also gets wide guard

[cyan smelt]

I'm not wasting a mega slot on golisopod

[sudden remnant]

its mega ability probably wont be emergency exit just remember thst

[cyan smelt]

It better be something damn good to justify 40 speed and bug steel with primal groudon around

[warm estuary]

Araq is good

[sudden remnant]

primal groudon wont be around for a bit

[warm estuary]

I just drafted him in my first draft Leauge

Araq carries trust

[sudden remnant]

m-a is supposed to be a low
power mega format

[cyan smelt]

I suppose mega golisopod can work in tr since it's slower than ursaluna

[sudden remnant]

araquanid is actually good no trust necessary

genuine good pokemon

[warm estuary]

Yup

I’m happy to use him

Even if that draft is in singles not doubles

[cyan smelt]

T1 send out golisopod, set tr, get it to half health, free switch in for ursaluna, tr setter dies, send out golisopod, mega

[sudden remnant]

[cyan smelt]

If they don't target golisopod you just mega t2

[warm estuary]

Is this draft team good chat trust it has Araq

Araq carries

[sudden remnant]

looks good to me

why are chiyu and clodsire purple with tera orbs

[warm estuary]

Bc j can choose every tera type

For them

They are my tera caps

Love how this team would work even in doubles

[cyan smelt]

Which urshifu is that

[sudden remnant]

water

[warm estuary]

Water

[cyan smelt]

It's impossible for me to tell with these things lol

[sudden remnant]

its stance is different and the spike crown thing on its head is hanging down instead of spiking up

dont ask how i know that distinction

[cyan smelt]

When they release champions will they announce which pokemon are allowed for the first format

[sudden remnant]

i mean they tend to with new formats

[cyan smelt]

How we gonna prepare it's gonna be chaos

[sudden remnant]

🫩

[cyan smelt]

Are any of mega feraligatr, mega meganium, mega emboar, mega greninja, mega delphox or mega chesnaught going to be any good

[sudden remnant]

@cyan smelt

here you go

[chrome knot]

the sprites are alot easier to tell

like their poses lol

[cyan smelt]

I mainly tell by the pose tbh but in team preview it's impossible

[sudden remnant]

yeah but just in case look if the crown is black or white

[chrome knot]

eh, no, no, no, eh, probably not

[sudden remnant]

they ruined mega delphox by giving it levitate

they took its one niche away

[cyan smelt]

So most of the new megas are ass and i should just stick with mega metagross

[chrome knot]

“most of the new” and its jus starters lol

[sudden remnant]

[cyan smelt]

I haven't played my switch in months idk how many new ones have been introduced

[sudden remnant]

im very interested in the new lucario

the hatsune miku

[cyan smelt]

How about the new raichu megas

[chrome knot]

have seen nobody use them ngl

[sudden remnant]

we dont know jack shit about them rn

[cyan smelt]

And i've heard garchomp z is bad

Loses ground type

[chrome knot]

clefable is good, crab seems promising, meowstic seems good

[cyan smelt]

Crabominable?

[chrome knot]

ye

[sudden remnant]

omg mega meowstic youre so right

i have to use it even if its a meme

[cyan smelt]

Ok now that i'm excited for because i love crabominable

[sudden remnant]

id want a female meowstic for the competitive ability before mega

[cyan smelt]

I should really finish plza to get a feel for these mons right

I got bored with it because it felt like a collectathon

[sudden remnant]

i beat the main story and gave up on the dlc after i got meowstics mega stone

i hate the za dlc i do not enjoy it

[cyan smelt]

I'm guessing that mega dnite, excadrill and victreebell are not good

[sudden remnant]

mega excadrill is gonna be shifu from temu

[cyan smelt]

Is there an app where i can look at the megas because the app i use isn't updating the dex anymore i think

[sudden remnant]

huh

[chrome knot]

mega dnite good

excadrill meh would rather use other items & sand rush

[cyan smelt]

Waitttttt dragalge got a mega, is it going to be bad

[chrome knot]

NOBODY KNOWS !

like 80% of the megas dont have an ability or literally anything to go off of

[cyan smelt]

Well that's frustrating

[chrome knot]

the game comes out in 2 days.

[cyan smelt]

Idk why gamefreak have given away like nothing about champions, usually they promote their games heavily

[chrome knot]

this is the same as pla

where we didn’t know any abilities till they showed up in sv

[cyan smelt]

It's just weird because it's a drastic shift in direction for the franchise and it doesn't help people get into vgc if you don't tell them anything about the game

I really need to finish plza regardless lol

But i lost interest in shiny hunting heavily

[chrome knot]

the first official regional for champs is in almost 2 months

plenty of time😭

[cyan smelt]

Woah mega clefable is so pretty ❤️

[chrome knot]

also its just not a drastic shift at all, the gimmick are returning gimmicks with “new” pokemon of a “new” format

its like what if WiWa released and u had to figure out what was good

[molten oasis]

Can’t wait for reg h 3.0, this time with megas

[cyan smelt]

That makes more sense when you frame it that way but i'd still like to know what's even legal for the first format

Incin and dozo fs

Why do i feel like dozo with mega tatsu will be cracked

[chrome knot]

it wont

[cyan smelt]

Why did they cook with about half of the designs and the others are really boring