competitive_discussion

[rare pumice]

it might not make enough impact though, i think it depends on ability

[sharp cobalt]

Mega Glimm's stats tho, who burned the kkitchen

[rare pumice]

it's gonna need a crazy good ability to save that in my opinion

if a pokemon with defiant/competitive gets hit with parting shot, do they get two boosts or still just one?

[sharp cobalt]

Tbf it has a pretty decent movepool offensively

[cyan smelt]

Yeah but it gets destroyed by landorus

[sharp cobalt]

Lando isnt confirmed for champions yet, is it?

[cyan smelt]

I have no idea what's confirmed other than like incin and tatsugiri and dondozo

God imagine playing against dozo giri and once you've koed dozo you have to deal with mega tatsu

[sharp cobalt]

Perfection.

Imagine Dozo swallowing a mega Tatsugiri giving it omni +3

[cyan smelt]

How will that interaction work now i think about it, they better be giving us some good unaware mons

[rare pumice]

unaware clefable is still around

[cyan smelt]

Can that encore

[rare pumice]

it could in sv

[cyan smelt]

Ok i still sure hope dozo doesn't get a +3 omniboost

[rare pumice]

if quagsire is in the game i think it gets unaware and haze too

[versed river]

..dondozo

[cyan smelt]

There's nothing worse to watch than dozo vs dozo mirror

[waxen dock]

remove the south african specials

they serve no good purpose

[versed river]

what 😭

[waxen dock]

remove the south african specials

[versed river]

why

[waxen dock]

cuz

they havge 10 people

and those 10 people arent very good probably

they arent mdb or wolfe level

and people get 300 points from those regionals

and in seniors even if you are the only one in the regional you get 350 points

[versed river]

you realise the championship points for worlds depends on the region right
so people in south africa getting points does not affect anything at all

[waxen dock]

other people in the region

[versed river]

who cares that the events are small if theyre bad theyll lose

[waxen dock]

its a big region

and only south africa has regionals

[versed river]

nah im pretty sure all regions have regionals

other than maybe asia im not sure how the circuit there works

there were ~180 people at the event idk how thats small 😭

[waxen dock]

10 in vgc

13 to be exact

[waxen dock]

yeah but not in only 1 country

which is like 30% of the entire region in compared to austrlia which is about 70 or 80%

[versed river]

what

[versed river]

so the solution would be to have MORE events not LESS

idk why youre so against people having fun

[waxen dock]

so have more events

easier said than done

also tell me 3 places that there could be events there

except south africa

[versed river]

also just so you know
the purpose of the competitive scene is to grow and develop the community and as advertisement for the games etc
so it objectively does serve a purpose

[versed river]

lagos cairo kinshasa johannesburg nairobi

[waxen dock]

no players there

and they are all in africa

[versed river]

because there havent been events there 😭

[versed river]

dawg thats what were talking about yes

[waxen dock]

so they can participate in gc's

but they dont

[versed river]

how to make the african competitive scene better hmm lets host an event in vancouver

[waxen dock]

what about the middle east

[versed river]

you think there wont be more interest if theres a physical event than a random online tournament people who dont play vgc wont hear about?

[versed river]

ofc theres alot of big cities there but i doubt that will be happening anytime soon with everything going on there that i will not be discussing further

[waxen dock]

so no events

so how the middle eastern players will get points?

[versed river]

you are just rambling bro

this isnt worth my time

[waxen dock]

i have proven my point

there shouldn't be regionals there

[tall sandal]

Hi i need help with my team setting for 2nd playthrough on indigo disk, this time i want to set a team i never play with before;
pair one
Torkoal drought and trick room paired with lurantis contrary solar blade, leaf storm, synthesis (well its not immediate sweep)
Pair two
Kilowattrel (wind power) with thunder, hurricane (tail wind as backup) paired with drednaw (swift swim) as rain setter
Well i'm not planning on 1 turn sweep for both pair, what would be better option for 5th and 6th slot (any wildcard which can fit with other pair)?

[waxen dock]

flutter chi yu to ohko everything

[tall sandal]

I want avoid legendaries or paradox tbh

But i think i'll go with flutter mane

[next stump]

much better to limit points from outsiders than eliminate the tournament

[chrome knot]

gang literally any mon will work lmao

[rare pumice]

if annihilape makes it into champions day 1, final gambit is gonna teach a loooot of mega pokemon a hard lesson i figure

[solid frigate]

There’s should since Dubai exists (god it would be an experience but extreme weather tho)

But modern conflicts just won’t allow it and most Middle Eastern players just go to other countries (particularly Europe)

And as far as I know,Middle east is one of the weaker regions in Pokémon VGC

[rare pumice]

are Walking Wake and Iron Leaves basically mythical pokemon or something now

[chrome knot]

no

[rare pumice]

do they appear in the dlc then?

[chrome knot]

no theyre jus limited time raids

legal in vgc as paradox mons lmao

[rare pumice]

i have no idea how that's fairrrr

[chrome knot]

theyve come back like 80 times

im sure theyll be recruitable in champs

later down in the game

[rare pumice]

are the past paradox pokemon generally better than the future ones in vgc?

like the only future one i know that's made a big splash is iron hands and then maybe iron moth but if i understand correctly, that's not a close second at all

[lost sun]

ye

[rare pumice]

are they included in the pokedex for violet as like, entries you need to get too?

[thorny notch]

the last reward is at 240, there are 240 + walking wake, iron leaves and pecharunt

[rare pumice]

raging bolt and then walking wake were like the 2 best of the 6 paradox legendary pokemon in vgc right?

[next stump]

Walking Wake was always pretty bad in VGC

[lost sun]

iron crown and bolt are probably the best 2

[rare pumice]

i would've thought walking wake would be popular

[waxen dock]

in some restricteds reg it had some niche

[lost sun]

isn't it mainly used with groudon

[chrome knot]

don’t forget hitlers AV usage on koraidon csr

[versed river]

iron bundle is good

as is iron crown

iron treads has been decent in restricted formats on miraidon teams to counter the mirror match

[solid frigate]

The only good future paradox:

iron hands
Iron Crown
Iron Bundle(Kinda)
Iron Treads
Iron Valiant (in some way)

[waxen dock]

idk what i want to run in utrecht

rn im thinking about swordfish

if i do 4-2 i probably get travel award

if i dont do 4-2 i probably dont get travel award

so i need to have super good team

[versed river]

valiant got second at worlds

[rare pumice]

it's been like six years now, but i've finally gotten my first urshifu rapid strike thanks to the snack guy

[waxen dock]

what do you guys think

https://pokepast.es/d0cb5994f2db6470

[rare pumice]

what format is that for

[chrome knot]

lol

[lost sun]

wouldn't this struggle in tr

[rare pumice]

you can't get two kubfu from the indigo disk dlc right?

[chrome knot]

just one

[rare pumice]

i expected as much, but i was hoping those quest reward things might've included a second one

it's a good thing i chose single strike in shield

[waxen dock]

Funilly enough

In the utrecht regional there are 4 people who i think can win the regional in seniors

And i beat 2 of them in a bo3 and the 3rd one i sont remeber bo3 or just ots but its still ots

[waxen dock]

Rhydon

[solid frigate]

It’s not as good as say since it’s mostly one guy situation but it’s niche is better than Shifu(coaching)

[versed river]

coaching and wide guard yeah

[sudden remnant]

just one

they should give zacian spirit break it would probably still run playrough but like it would have an option of a perfectly accurate move

and the physical fairy move introduced in gen 8 was not given to the physical fairy box art legendary from the same game 🫩

[grand spire]

whatll be the best tr mega for champions vgc

[forest arrow]

Ursaluna

https://tenor.com/view/ursaluna-dance-ursaluna-gif-24758216

[dense latch]

flame orb is like

almost a mega stone anyways

[lost sun]

true

[forest arrow]

Best mega ever created lol

[ionic umbra]

anyone wanna 1v1 me when champions come out?

[molten oasis]

Mawile

[lofty tartan]

No one really knows what'll be the "best" TR pokemon, because there's no "best" anything, really. Mons are situational - sets differ between people and metagames, and we're getting a bunch of really slow Megas that never existed in competitive pokemon before now.

[shadow wind]

So this silly showdown mod is letting people play a prechampions vgc format

Not sure if anyone has seen it yet

https://showdown-vgcpast-es.psim.us/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1K2OkyBw-UCq1QQ_EDnBwu8HOEjXAHRvhi0HpzAeIqjg/edit?gid=653467057#gid=653467057

That spreadsheet has all the abilities they're using for it

It's honestly pretty fun but definitely shouldn't be used for champions practice

[bold geode]

Mega Malamar nah I can't even joke that

[shadow wind]

Some of the fan abilities are fried though so

[shadow wind]

That showdown mod gives Mamalar that ability by the way

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/golisopod-evil-evil-smile-gif-19275451

[shadow wind]

And for some reason the fans decided on magic guard for Mega floette 😭

[molten oasis]

The other mega I’m looking at is uh

[lofty tartan]

Crabominable

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/mega-baxcalibur-mega-dimension-mega-evolution-pokemon-pokemon-legends-za-gif-2057870398913340706

[lofty tartan]

[molten oasis]

Kinda close lol

[lofty tartan]

Oh yeah Mega Bax is totally on my radar.

[shadow wind]

Depending on the crabs ability it could be broken lowkey

[molten oasis]

Looks like a potentially solid ddance sweeper

[lofty tartan]

No not even joking Crab could be something

[molten oasis]

On balance

[shadow wind]

Potential mon

[molten oasis]

That mons stats are crazy

[shadow wind]

Bro gets Incin'd

[lofty tartan]

There's a few that I've been interested in. There's a few that I know will likely surprise me.

[molten oasis]

Crab already was a potential mon

[shadow wind]

Nah the other guy

[lofty tartan]

I will say that I'll be totally lukewarm if Mega Clef gets Misty Surge

[shadow wind]

Bax is potential mon always

[bold geode]

I was talking about it in here the other day
I think something cool with mega Golisopod ability wise (although it's definitely not the best) is like

[molten oasis]

Nah crab on paper can beat rilla incin and bolt

[lofty tartan]

Bax has already proven solid. He's not potential at all

[bold geode]

Jf they tried to buff Emergency Exit

[molten oasis]

It’s theorized it’ll be magic bounce

[lofty tartan]

Magic Bounce is fine

[molten oasis]

Not misty terrain, it’s flying it wouldn’t benefit off misty terrain

[foggy lodge]

I think Clef needs some damage boosting ability honestly

[shadow wind]

Give it "Friends are stronger together" and it's better friend guard

[molten oasis]

Aerilate or Pixelate maybe

[foggy lodge]

135 sounds good but when most megas are around 150 + damage boosting abilities

[lofty tartan]

If they make Emergency Exit more beneficial, though it's honestly strategically not terrible now, then I'll be all in. First Impression is whacky

[foggy lodge]

It doesn't cut it

[bold geode]

Mega Clefable ability: "The one piece was the friends we made along the way"

[shadow wind]

Exactly

Nah I think it'll be something with being an alien

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/glorpleave-glorp-leave-cat-ufo-gif-18232033818824651195

[bold geode]

There was one joke I saw where it said instead of mid turn it would switch out at the end
I think that'd be a good start

[lofty tartan]

It's something you can plan around.

[molten oasis]

Or 160-170

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/a402c17ab9d4561d

[lofty tartan]

And it just buffs Impression.

[lost sun]

I built a tr team with it

[shadow wind]

I know this team means nothing because mega floette doesn't actually get magic guard

[molten oasis]

Bax gonna hit like a train

[shadow wind]

But thoughts?

[foggy lodge]

Why no sleep powder on Vivillon?

[shadow wind]

Friend guard not compound eyes

[lofty tartan]

Actually I thought you meant that it would just automatically switch on end of a turn which could be bad but also really good, but then I smashed my brain cells together and realized what you meant

[lost sun]

wyd against tr

[bold geode]

Yeah it actually makes First Impression on it very consistent and even not using that move still lets you get other damage off

[lofty tartan]

Yeah exactly.

[shadow wind]

Scizor gaming

[molten oasis]

No sleep powder on vivi is crazy

[bold geode]

Now it's not as broken as other things
I see the Water Bubble suggestion
No

[lofty tartan]

But I dunno what they'll do with Mega Golisopod. I just hope he isn't trash.

[foggy lodge]

It stresses me still seeing tera on pastes

[molten oasis]

His stats are pretty crazy

[lofty tartan]

Water Bubble is for the memes, but it would honestly be incredibly busted.

[foggy lodge]

I don't want to see tera again for a while

[molten oasis]

There’s no Tera

[foggy lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/701184292146905110/899441762802761808/lmfao.gif

[molten oasis]

There’s no way they let Tera be legal

[lost sun]

I don't think he will be enough when most tr Mons are slower than him

[molten oasis]

If they do…

[foggy lodge]

I know but the pastes still have tera

[bold geode]

Yeah lmao
Yeah bro let's make the Bug Steel Pokemon take neutral damage from Fire moves in the Rain

[shadow wind]

Who cares if they're slower than me

Bullet punch is prio

[lost sun]

farig

[molten oasis]

That irritates me more than anything

[lofty tartan]

Giving it a third STAB would honestly be bananas.

[shadow wind]

And bro's playing rps

[molten oasis]

Does it get bullet punch?

[lost sun]

ye

[shadow wind]

Does scizor get bullet punch 😭

Fork found in kitchen

[molten oasis]

Oh,

[shadow wind]

That's bros only job

[molten oasis]

I thought you were talking about golispod my bad

[bold geode]

Yeah bro
Third STAB
Less damage from it's one weakness
And you're immune to burns yeah I'm good

[foggy lodge]

Wasn't bullet punch like its signature move in gen 2

[shadow wind]

Oh in that case no I think

[molten oasis]

Think so

[foggy lodge]

Then they gave it to Metagross

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it's fun to think about but Mega Golisopod with Water Bubble would be an insane blunder on Gamefreak's part.

He's fat

[lost sun]

golisopod is praying for a good ability rn

[shadow wind]

I'm gonna say it

[bold geode]

Yeah
There's other good ones too

[shadow wind]

I think mega golisopod is going to be mid

[lofty tartan]

It really depends on the ability

[shadow wind]

It does

[bold geode]

Like Tough Claws
Or maybe even Shell Armor

[shadow wind]

Well baked body

[bold geode]

Shell Armor is kinda thematic

Flash Fire

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-amazing-world-of-gumball-bread-gif-12560443300970048519

[molten oasis]

Tough claws would be fun

[bold geode]

Now Dragalge

[molten oasis]

Corrosion or regenerator

[bold geode]

Actually Dragalge just wants to keep Adaptability

[molten oasis]

Probably, if it keeps adaptability that’s gonna be good

[molten oasis]

Double stab adaptability Draco’s dude

[lofty tartan]

Like... If Mega Golisopod keeps Emergency Exit he's not going to be terrible, really. He's seen play with Exit.

[lost sun]

they really like bulky slow megas this time huh

[shadow wind]

Bro is saying this while looking at the 151 speed stat

[molten oasis]

Delphox and Greninja, and the z megas exists?

[bold geode]

Like that's the problem
Dragalge wants Adaptability cuz technically with no ability in play, Life Orb base Dragalge hits harder than the mega

[lost sun]

must like both

[molten oasis]

And if they weren’t fast they were like middling speed tier

A lot of the new megas aren’t gonna be good

And a lot of that is due to speed tiers being shit

Or your Malamar

[bold geode]

Mega S Raggy

Raggy?

[lost sun]

s raggy

[bold geode]

Ruh Roh Raggy

[shadow wind]

What if he gets special intimidate

[lofty tartan]

I'm not sold on Dragalge.

[bold geode]

Like zoinks Scoob I think I just got a new mega evolution

[shadow wind]

Me neither

1 steel type and bro is useless

[lofty tartan]

When I started VGC I made a Dragalge TR team.

It was terrible. Literally the worst.

I don't think Mega saves it unless it gets an absolutely insane ability.

[molten oasis]

It could be cool, but it needs a really solid ability

[bold geode]

I think it's definitely not bad, but if it don't keep Adaptability then it's just washed

[lofty tartan]

Even then it's borderline.

[molten oasis]

The theories on mega excadrill’s ability scare me

[shadow wind]

Me too

[bold geode]

Your whole thing is hitting hard with Adaptability, you don't want your mega to be weaker than base

[lost sun]

what are they

[lofty tartan]

What are the theories?

[molten oasis]

Giga buffed unseen fist

[lost sun]

buffed how

[lofty tartan]

Lol no

[molten oasis]

It breaks protects and screens, which I DOUBT IS REAL

[bold geode]

It gets an Unseen Fist ability that breaks screens and Protects
Basically Unseen Fist + feint

[molten oasis]

But that is the theory

[bold geode]

Which is the most fanfiction thing I've ever fucking heard

[shadow wind]

Unseen fist and feint do the same thing twin

[molten oasis]

Mega sol is kind of a wild ability tbf

[lost sun]

ye no chance that's happening

[shadow wind]

On an L mon

[lost sun]

feint breaks protect unseen fist hits through

[bold geode]

Yeah but it's not game breaking

[molten oasis]

Mega Meganium is fine?

[shadow wind]

Then why not just say feint

[lofty tartan]

Feint breaks Screens, and Unseen Fist doesn't.

[bold geode]

That theory is game breaking

[molten oasis]

Into the meta, not really, but it’s a fine Mon

[lofty tartan]

But Feint also does things like break Wide Guard.

[shadow wind]

I think it's so mid

[shadow wind]

Grass fairy is really not that good offensively

[molten oasis]

It’s supposed to be bulky

[bold geode]

I saw someone be surprised that Urshifu ignores Quick Guard and I'm like uh bro what are we doing

[molten oasis]

66% heal synthesis is kinda lit

[shadow wind]

Even 80/115/115 is not it

[shadow wind]

Ehhhhhh

[molten oasis]

I don’t think it’s anything crazy but I think it’s solid enough

[shadow wind]

In singles maybe

[molten oasis]

You’re asking to beat Zard Y and Metagross.

That isn’t happening, those two are nuts

[shadow wind]

Zard gonna be everywhere

[molten oasis]

It already is

[bold geode]

I'm actually interested in Mega Fera now

[lofty tartan]

I'm 100% fine with Dragonize.

[molten oasis]

I’ve seen a decent amount of mega zard with incin Ursa

[bold geode]

It's low power built but like
It seems solid for low power

[lost sun]

same

[bold geode]

You could put that in Tailroom easily

[molten oasis]

What does gatr do better than others do better than it tho?

I can’t English

What give it its own role

[shadow wind]

The low power format with Zard Y 💀

[bold geode]

Meh
I mean depending on stuff Mega Mence could be used more but like eh
Still not bad

[molten oasis]

If you try ddance sweeping bax is better

[bold geode]

Man Mega Kang and Mega Mence are here too, low power means jack shit

[shadow wind]

Yup

[bold geode]

I think you go Tailroom

[shadow wind]

Which means Meganium is not it

[lofty tartan]

Mega formats are not low power.

[bold geode]

78 is a pretty nice Tailroom speed

[molten oasis]

Why gatr over like, Mawile tho

[bold geode]

And it's bulk isn't bad though

[lofty tartan]

I've only ever played a Tera format, but that seems really recognizable right off the cuff. Mega formats are high powered slugfests

[molten oasis]

Yup

[bold geode]

Depends on how well you want it to be in Tailroom

[molten oasis]

Very centralized around them too

[lofty tartan]

Oh absolutely.

[bold geode]

Mawile at 50 base speed like

Works for TR well but TW

[molten oasis]

Protect your Kaiju formats

[lofty tartan]

Are people on Showdown playing 2 Megas on their 6 so they have options on what to actually take?

[molten oasis]

Yes

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[lofty tartan]

Figured.

[molten oasis]

I’m debating 2 megas for Delphox

[lofty tartan]

[molten oasis]

Delphox kinda gets rocked by the tr teams

So, wanna find a mega to help with that

[shadow wind]

Play Delphox with Garchomp

EQ gaming

[bold geode]

Yeah
I imagine that's how things just naturally go anyways

I actually have a theory where like
As time goes on the more played megas might be ones that can do things outside of mega as well

[molten oasis]

Kingambit’s goated btw

[bold geode]

Like for example you have Kang that can use Fake Out even out of mega

[lost sun]

king gambit somehow survives body press from an archaladon

[lofty tartan]

2. ???
3. Profit```

[bold geode]

How did we land on worse Mence

[lofty tartan]

The year is 2027

We now have Mega Urshifu

I don't know how much longer I can last

[lofty tartan]

BUGS

[lost sun]

mega urshifu attacks through the screen and affects the player

[bold geode]

Mega Urshifu just does

[lofty tartan]

Mega Urshifu attacks and knocks out your next round's opponent.

Only contact moves, though.

[bold geode]

Chat I have no good gifs for follow up, laugh at me

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-hahah-nelson-simpsons-haha-laugh-gif-12400026

[bold geode]

Mega Urshifu just breaks the 4th wall and flips you off before sending you to the x-3 table

[bold geode]

Aight Mika
What do you think they give Malamar and Pyroar

[lofty tartan]

Nothing.

https://tenor.com/view/willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-gene-wilder-willy-wonka-you-get-nothing-nothing-gif-5432076

[bold geode]

Bro so I had this joke where the best way to run x Mon is to leave it in the PC

[lofty tartan]

I don't really think they're in a position where even a really great ability saves them from the depths of uselessness.

[bold geode]

But like legitimately Mega Malamar's stats are so bad that I don't think there's actually a correct way to run it

"But guys Mega Malamar will set TR on switch in" stfu

[lofty tartan]

They don't really even have a niche purpose. Contrary? Pfft

Nothing they could do could warrant using a mega slot on them over literally anything else of value.

[bold geode]

Oh yeah
CB Caterpie can OHKO Mega Malamar, I'm good

But yeah I think they really need something broken to even see the light of day

Or else it's literally just click bait shit

Actually Mega Malamar might be too bad for even click bait teams

[lost sun]

I think mega crab is bugged on showdown or smth else is

I used cc and it raised my defences even tho the ability is hyper cutter

[jade dust]

I wonder how many will be legal on the release of champions

[lost sun]

I wonder if they will add more mons

[jade dust]

I hope I can make my rain team with mega swampert, peli, archaludon and amoongus

[bold geode]

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X · Mar 31, 2026, 10:30 PM

I recommend this

[shadow wind]

Because the format gave it contrary

If you read the chat it told you

Should be a green text box

[sudden remnant]

did we get any more mega abilities

[foggy lodge]

Tomorrow

[forest arrow]

Thursday

April 2nd right? I seen it somewhere

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but its for japan

For japan is april 2nd but for us april 1st

[forest arrow]

Ohhh okay

Then tomorrow cool

[shadow wind]

“Mega malamar will set tr when mega’d!!!”

“April fools!!!!!!!!”

[lofty tartan]

That'll be the day

[rare pumice]

do you think urshifu would be just as viable if it couldn't hit through protect? i feel like its signature move alongside its movepool is more than good enough reason to use it in spite of its ability

[versed river]

it would not be just as viable

[rare pumice]

well i guess it wouldn't be quite as abundant i just figure it would still be super popular though

[versed river]

ill awnser this in the context of Reg F
palafin would probably start seeing alot of play again
urshifu would still be used alot but he would be much worse (lets assume he gets inner focus as thats what kubfu gets)
weezing would probably be used less because turning off unseen fist is one of the biggest ones

[rare pumice]

does palafin hit harder than surging strikes would?

[versed river]

by ALOT

wave crash is ~3 more power than surging strikes and palafin has 30 higher attack

and youre also a bit faster on palafin which is pretty good considering you hit the big base 100

physbulk is around the same on palafin but youre also alot more specially bulky

it wouldnt replace urshifu but with unseen fist out of the game it would be ALOT more viable

[rare pumice]

i guess i just figured the crit that surging strikes gets would be more valuable 100 percent of the time with how common intimidate is

[versed river]

yeah thats why i said urshifu wouldnt be replaced
but water type usage would be split between ursh and palafin most likely

[rare pumice]

alright

i'm wondering if tyranitar being able to mega will give it a boost in usage just for being able to reset sandstorm now that weather has become the defining aspect of vgc

[molten oasis]

Immediate damage>damage 1-2 turns later

[rustic mountain]

also the pressure to hit thru protect + crits

[molten oasis]

They were saying no unseen fist

[rustic mountain]

theres a reason urshifu completely replaced palafin in the meta it isnt an either or, its is 1 allowed or not

[molten oasis]

But shifu would still be up there

[rustic mountain]

ah

[molten oasis]

Surging strikes is still, really powerful

Idt Palafin would even get usage it just means Basc could maybe have a shot in the sunlight

Or wake, maybe

[rustic mountain]

feel its kinda moot to b like oh take this really powerful part of a mons toolkit away and what does it do

it has unseen fist, and if its allowed wen palafin is, completely invaldiates it

[molten oasis]

Well, yeah abilities make or break a lot of mons, we’re gonna see that tomorrow with the mega abilities

[rustic mountain]

isnt it technically later today?

i think its early april 2nd for japan so means we should b getting it later tonight

[rare pumice]

what is happening later?

[molten oasis]

Mega abilities late tonight/tomorrow

Mostly looking to see if Bax keeps thermal exchange or not

[rustic mountain]

why

[molten oasis]

My 2 main target megas are bax and Delphox

[rare pumice]

but like is there a direct/showcase or something or is it because of a special in person event?

[molten oasis]

I just wanna know, I’m expecting it to keep thermal exchange but you never know

[rustic mountain]

so ur 2 main targets are bad

[molten oasis]

IT WAS A TYPO!

[rustic mountain]

i mean other interesting ones id imagine too

[rare pumice]

i've come around on mega delphox, i think it has potential

[rustic mountain]

ik, but seeing u type bad and then delphox the joke was right there

[molten oasis]

Keep those expectations, not that high

[rustic mountain]

its gna b really format dependent

[rare pumice]

i'm kind of not expecting much from it i just think if i build around it and use a team of pokemon i love then i'm not gonna have a bad time

[molten oasis]

Delphox has potential but, it’s likely not making it very far out of “low” level formats

[rustic mountain]

psychic terrain and other psychic types to abuse psyspam > delphox

if those r in off rip

[molten oasis]

I have a core that’s gas but still

[molten oasis]

Depends on what psyspam mons though

[rustic mountain]

well yea

[molten oasis]

Fast fire psychic type is nice for metagross and Gengar

It beats some, of the megas

[rustic mountain]

i dont think it sucks, i just dont know if i see it doin much

[molten oasis]

But it’s not a top mega

[rare pumice]

i think delphox slots well into the secondary mega slot, as an option to mega if the situation calls for it, but can generally be used outside of that context for good situations, like anti trick room, maybe even keep expanding force on psyspam teams but mega in a bad situation

[molten oasis]

You’re not metagross, you’re not Gengar, you’re not zard y

[molten oasis]

Nah just be goated fr

(I tested this core for a while it cooks)

[rustic mountain]

idt u want delphox as a secondary mega, u prolly dont even want it as ur first

[molten oasis]

Delphox would have to be filling a pretty specific niche

[rare pumice]

i have garchomp on the team i have mega delphox on too

[molten oasis]

I’m using Delphox because it’s my favorite of them besides Bax

I’m not using it cuz it’s gonna be good lol

[rustic mountain]

yea

[molten oasis]

Levitate screwed it and I know people are gonna try weezing psyspam teams

[rustic mountain]

also, maybe the meta favors it and its not as middling as im anticipating

[rare pumice]

i'm thinking it might run will-o-wisp but idk if that will-o-wisp zard x was an exception or not

[molten oasis]

You beat a lot of stuff on paper, from what we know of that’s good

(Mostly Gengar and metagross but it has other spots)

[rare pumice]

i think beating both of those two is reason enough personally

[molten oasis]

Hell nah overheat

Heat wave Psychic overheat/scorching sands/dazzling gleam protect

Nothing weak to Delphox survives overheat

[rare pumice]

doesn't metagross go down to a flamethrower as well?

[molten oasis]

Metagross can live

Metagross is really bulky

[rustic mountain]

metagross is a baller man dont forget that

[molten oasis]

It cannot live overheat

[versed river]

it lives overheat 10% of the time

[molten oasis]

Like, that’s a disgusting spread

[molten oasis]

No it doesn’t

[versed river]

accuracy: 90

[rare pumice]

do you think it's likely metagross will be running some bulk then or just full attack and speed?

[molten oasis]

252 SpA Delphox Overheat vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Metagross: 192-228 (102.6 - 121.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[rare pumice]

uninvested metagross goes down to flamethrower but i guess it's more likely than not it'll invest some

[versed river]

probably gonna depend on the meta

[molten oasis]

Playing vgc with the mindset of “I might miss” sucks

I’m gonna click it as if I’m gonna hit the move

If I miss that sucks, gg next game yk?

[rustic mountain]

yea i was just running this, this is crazy

[rare pumice]

do you think psyshock or psychic is better choice on delphox

[versed river]

true, but if youre gonna run an inaccurate move you should be prepared to miss

[molten oasis]

It’s a very powerful overheat

[molten oasis]

No, play as if you’ll hit the move

[rare pumice]

idk if i'd run overheat on it anyways for my choice in a mega anyways, i feel like i'm gonna want it sticking around more than having to switch out, especially if it's a slightly inaccurate move

[molten oasis]

Or don’t put yourself in positions where you HAVE to hit overheat to win

[molten oasis]

Delphox can overheat and pivot just fine

[versed river]

yes this is what im saying 😭

[rustic mountain]

no play as tho u know u wont hit the move, dont click the move and then lose

and then wonder why u have the move to begin with

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/green-alien-cat-green-alien-cat-meme-cat-rage-meme-angry-alien-cat-gif-16978295465898295971

Me playing kyogre fr

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

Origin pulse sucks!

[rustic mountain]

hahaha it can b tough

[molten oasis]

I’m content with using it nowadays but missing that move is brutal

[rare pumice]

mystical fire mega delphox is gonna save the day

[rustic mountain]

ur playing heat wave delphox

[molten oasis]

90% isn’t 85%

[molten oasis]

And it literally has to use heat wave

[rustic mountain]

still 90% spread

[versed river]

dont run mystical fire on that

[molten oasis]

You don’t get eforce

[rare pumice]

wait why is heat wave necessary on delphox

[rustic mountain]

its what like 65% to hit both on 90%

[molten oasis]

You need spread

[rare pumice]

idk if i agree with that personally

[molten oasis]

Delphox doesn’t really do anything otherwise

If it got expanding force and not stuck with levitate then you can run flamethrower

[molten oasis]

Tbf if bax does better for me im probably using bax more, but yeah the heat wave stuff just reminds me of using chi yu

[rustic mountain]

heat waves cool ur running overheat as ur nuke option

[molten oasis]

I never really used chi Yu

Psychic is your consistent single target stab, overheat is the nuke, heat wave is your spread damage

[versed river]

ive used chi yu alot, you always have more accurate options if you need to hit

[rustic mountain]

why flamethrower and overheat its kinda overkill ur getting way better rolls on overheat and u can just switch to get that -2 out the way

[molten oasis]

Chi Yu kinda did the same thing

Overheat is fire Draco, that’s all it is

[rare pumice]

i just don't know if i like both the fire type options being 90 percent accurate

[molten oasis]

They both miss sometimes but their damage potential is so high

[rustic mountain]

haha yea i just thought its funny ur like man origin pulse sucks and its like ok heat wave isnt THAT much better lol

[molten oasis]

Yeah fair

[rustic mountain]

i get the choice for sure

also, bax prolly will b better

[molten oasis]

I’m still gonna try Delphox, cuz I see potential in it, but I think Bax will be my other choice

[molten oasis]

That guys a stat monster

[rare pumice]

is thermal exchange immune to fire type attacks or just will o wisp

[rustic mountain]

id have a hard time thinking the psuedo isnt gna b better then the starter

[versed river]

does delphox get any speed control other than TR

[molten oasis]

Just wisp but the attack boost from fire moves is nice

[molten oasis]

No

[versed river]

immune to burn, not immmune to fire moves but you get +1 attack when hit by one

[molten oasis]

Delphox is an offensive mega

[rustic mountain]

yea

[versed river]

ah i was thinking of maybe using it with like band garchomp or excadrill or fast ursa

[rare pumice]

it's typically a bad idea to use moves like swords dance or nasty plot on your mega in vgc right?

[molten oasis]

Do it anyway

[versed river]

not necessarily

[molten oasis]

It’s fun, Delphox next to Garchomp is a lot of fun

[versed river]

wolfe won worlds with swords dance mega ray

[rustic mountain]

that honestly might b the best use for it (sand teams w/ exca ttar) cuz grass types will b annoying

[molten oasis]

Nah

[rare pumice]

do you think earthquake is the choice on garchomp even if rillaboom is in?

[molten oasis]

I’ve thought about snow too

[versed river]

yeah but you gotta pivot out ttar and delphox is so frail if they read it you lose the game

[versed river]

earthquake stomping dragon claw protect

[rustic mountain]

yea jus make sure u have a single target ground move too or a way to get their terrain out the way

[rare pumice]

i would have thought garchomp runs swords dance for some reason

[molten oasis]

Delphox can be ev trained in spots where its weaker

[versed river]

it does sometimes

[molten oasis]

I’m playing it with a little bulk it’s nice

[versed river]

true

[molten oasis]

And you can afford dropping some speed you don’t need to be max speed

[rare pumice]

delphox can take some special attacks defently enough i think

[versed river]

how fast do you need to be

[molten oasis]

It takes mega Gengar shadow ball with 100 hp evs

[rustic mountain]

i didnt say itd b perfect but idk if i think it can thrive otherwise, id really need to see what the actual format is

[rare pumice]

do you think it needs to outspeed dragapult or just switch out in that case?

[versed river]

yeahh

[rustic mountain]

it cant outspeed pult

unless pult decides to go for like no speed

[versed river]

pult also cant ohko right?

unless theyre using phantom force

[rustic mountain]

yea and then u just switch and ko them w/ ur other slot

[rare pumice]

wait i thought delphox base speed was higher than 134 for some reason

[rustic mountain]

its pretty fast just not as fast as pult

[rare pumice]

well i guess outspeeding mega gengar and below is all it'll be able to do then

[molten oasis]

You don’t need to outspeed pult

[versed river]

oily

[rustic mountain]

its not even a need, u cant

[molten oasis]

True

[molten oasis]

Im tired lol

[rustic mountain]

theyd have to run such low speed i think for it to even b close

[molten oasis]

True

[rustic mountain]

and then its like y r u running pult

[rare pumice]

you can only afford to take away like 32 speed evs from delphox if you wanna outspeed mega gengar then i think

[molten oasis]

If pult had real ghost stab

I could see it working

But it doesn’t

[rustic mountain]

cant have an ev stat b divisible by 8, ur losing points

28 or 36

[molten oasis]

Idt mega Gengar is always max timid, talking to some other players and for the most part they were either modest or bulky

[rare pumice]

oh yea i need to get use to setting the levels to 50 on showdown

[rustic mountain]

for where id imagine u can still outspeed it after opting out of either of those for speed investment

[rare pumice]

i think i'd be running max hp/speed timid mega gengar

[molten oasis]

I think Delphox has a place on sand or snow (a9 not froslass) teams and that’s it

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

You otherwise use zard

[rustic mountain]

maybe

[molten oasis]

It depends on what we get later today

If excadrill keeps sand rush then that doesn’t work

[rustic mountain]

im hopin 1 mega surprises the shit outta me and is good af that nobody expected

[molten oasis]

That be awesome

[rare pumice]

i think leech seed mega chesnaught sets have great potential since it's able to condense its attack and defense just by using body press

[rustic mountain]

that b awesome matey arghhh

[rustic mountain]

i think chesnaught is gna suck

would b happy to b proven wrong

idt set up my mega to +6 defense is gna b nearly as effective

[molten oasis]

Chesnaught when the wind shows up

[rare pumice]

idk i think the only problem it's gonna be seeing is zard y and froslass, and then maybe pelipper, i think there are a lot of physical attackers it can wall out there

[rustic mountain]

chesnaught wen tera is available- eh not horrible
chesnaught wen mega is available- r we serious?

[molten oasis]

lol

Tbf grass fighting sucks

[rustic mountain]

yea its too easy to exploit

again, if im proven wrong cool i just dont see it, ur mega cant be that awful defensively and not as potent offensively

[rare pumice]

ok i forgot about mega salamence that's probably gonna be a pretty big issue

[rustic mountain]

one of many yes

mega zard, gengar, metagross

froslass eats it

[rare pumice]

why is it afraid of gengar

[rustic mountain]

dude sludge bomb hurts off a base 170 sp atk

[rare pumice]

bulletproof stops both of gengar's stab choices

[rustic mountain]

ok so gengar is 1 thing it walls cool

mega dnite eats it

[rare pumice]

well i'm not givin up on it either way

[rustic mountain]

ok

id prefer it be good i didnt catch a shalpha one for nothing but id imagine itll collect dust till tera returns

[rare pumice]

i think it might be able to manage its pace against metagros too but i'm probably not accounting for what partners metagross would be paired with as much as i should be

[molten oasis]

Incin

Uhm

[rustic mountain]

i guess zen headbutt isnt gna hurt that much since mega chesnaughts defense is really high iirc but even still wat does it do back

[rare pumice]

i think it can threaten incineroar pretty well since its body press won't be affected by intimidate and it outspeeds

o nvm

i was looking at the wrong chesnaught stat

[rustic mountain]

u know wat walls chesnaught pretty well? delphox

[molten oasis]

lol

[rare pumice]

i'm making a team for all three kalos starters

[molten oasis]

Aw man greninja’s just gonna be on a hyper offense team

[rustic mountain]

u think greninjas gna b on a team?

[molten oasis]

My bad

[rare pumice]

i think gren has some good potential for a free protean type swap after mega, but it'd have to hold off on mega until later if it wanted to do that, which i guess is gonna be bad for it

[molten oasis]

It’s a piece of paper

It’s gonna hit metagross with dark pulse lose its steel resist and die to heavy slam

[rustic mountain]

if it can swap types then mega and swap again gren might actually b heat but even still like drago just mentioned its so bad defensively idk if it matters much, they can just double u and ur dead and dont even get the chance to swap or protect what ur likely targetting and then ko u w/ the other slot or put u in range of prio or something

[rare pumice]

i think the best chance for it is using moves that give it good immunities or resistances but idk how far that'll take it

[rustic mountain]

does metagross live tho

[rustic mountain]

oh 133 sp atk nvm

[molten oasis]

Oh god it’s 133

That sucks

[rustic mountain]

yea mega gren sucks

[molten oasis]

Brother it’s lowkey frailer than chien pao

[rustic mountain]

idk y i thought it had like 150 sp atk

[molten oasis]

Except in special defense and even then

Mixed attacker syndrome at its finest

[rustic mountain]

well ones a legend idk if the comparison is fair but the point stands, mega gren is a content farmer and nothing else

[rare pumice]

idk why they keep holding greninja back given how much they seemed to like it back in gen 6 and 7

[molten oasis]

It has a bst of 630.

I think comparing megas to legends is okay

[rare pumice]

i think mega greninja will be better in singles formats

[molten oasis]

Plus I just think it’s funny when something is frailer than pao

[rustic mountain]

maybe yea

[molten oasis]

Absol’s literally a sheet of paper

[rustic mountain]

yea thats ur call i think legends generally gna b in their own tier tho (the good ones), even outside just the stats u know?

[molten oasis]

Probably

[molten oasis]

Fair enough, no mega is gonna get sword of ruin

No shot they ever give those abilities out to anything else

[rustic mountain]

right like the self sufficiency plus partner enabling is unmatched

[molten oasis]

Chien Pao my goat

Pao metagross is going to be disgusting

[rare pumice]

i think it'd be cool if they gave out transistor or dragon's maw to new megas in the future, like if mega luxray were ever released

[rustic mountain]

i like em as one offs tbh

[molten oasis]

They’ll come up with something else

Gf has gotten better at designing competitive mons

[rustic mountain]

if gen 9 showed us anything they rnt afraid to come up w/ new abilities that actually are cool and give mons niches and viability

other then minds eye

[rare pumice]

idk, unless mega luxray got something like adaptability or transistor i don't think i'd be seeing people running it

[molten oasis]

Palafin, Terapagos, Paradox

The bikes

Sini, Ogerpon

All get neat abilities

[rustic mountain]

guard dog is cool

its not quite defiant

[molten oasis]

It’s cool tho

[rustic mountain]

thermal exchange

[molten oasis]

They’ve nerfed incin a lot lmao

[rare pumice]

does supercell slam still do recoil if the opponent protects

[rustic mountain]

oh commander sucks i forgot that

[molten oasis]

Even indirectly

[molten oasis]

Let’s remove this from the game

[rustic mountain]

sure

[molten oasis]

Nobody likes dondozo tatsu

[rustic mountain]

dozo and tatsu on their own are cool

together they r unbased

[molten oasis]

Solo dozo, ok

It’s annoying but it’s not a raid boss

[rare pumice]

i don't think dondozo likes dondozo either judging by all the 1v1 dondozo fights i've seen

[rustic mountain]

tbf tho

[molten oasis]

Man, regionals with dozo vs dozo

[rustic mountain]

no tera = dozo not nearly the same

[molten oasis]

Most boring shit ever

[rare pumice]

order up boosts a different stat depending on the tatsugiri right?

[molten oasis]

100%, you can’t escape spore without goggles now

[rare pumice]

does one of them boost speed or it is like, attack, defense, sp.defense

[rustic mountain]

or just super powerful se move that either 1hkos it or puts it in range for the next turn to then deal damage to tatsu

[molten oasis]

Speed defense and attack

Most are the latter

[rustic mountain]

put yea no grass dozo + goggles tatsu, something is being spored if u got it

[rare pumice]

does annihilape need choice scarf to make use of final gambit or could you theoretically run it without the scarf and keep final gambit as an emergency use?

[molten oasis]

Yeah, Tera broke a bunch of mons

[rustic mountain]

yes

[molten oasis]

Yes, reg h had some sash ape with gambit instead of bulk up I believe

[rustic mountain]

scarf gambit is for like tr set up, but theres been sets that ran it w/o it

[molten oasis]

It was smth like that

[rustic mountain]

yea sash

[molten oasis]

Reg h was a weird format

[rustic mountain]

i think sitrus was the other

[molten oasis]

Was thinking that too

[rare pumice]

do you think it could do a combo of final gambit + leftovers bulk up, or does that seem like a losing battle

[molten oasis]

No

[rustic mountain]

that is a no

[molten oasis]

You’re gonna set up and then kill your set up mon?

[rare pumice]

no i mean

it bulks up in scenarios where it doesn't want to use final gambit, but can use that instead in scenarios where it might not work as well

[molten oasis]

Bulk up lefties ape sets want to take some damage to boost rage fist

Hence beat up strategies

[rustic mountain]

+4 +4 later team u got this

[molten oasis]

“Good luck everybody else”

[rare pumice]

idk i just like the idea of it being a setup pokemon in some scenarios, but having the option to trade at the start of a battle if i see something i don't like

[molten oasis]

Okay where would you even put the move?

[rare pumice]

assuming it's running final gambit and bulk up, i'd just have drain punch and rage fist

[molten oasis]

You need bulk up drain punch and rage fist, you wanna run lefties ape with no protect?

That sucks

[rare pumice]

i think dropping protect can work depending on what you team it up with

[rustic mountain]

as u mentioned final gambit is just insurance incase u dont get the other stuff going or have a kill u know u can take that sets up ur mid game-end game well, its not like oh lemme have lefties which hard commits to one strategy (set up) and then also have final gambit. the sash supports the insurance of gambit by saying hey i can risk this in certain spots and not care but also if i outspeed i can also go for it or knowing they will play passive take advantage and use bulk up (it was used in ots so mind games)

[rare pumice]

though maybe i replace leftovers with sitrus berry in that situation

[molten oasis]

If you don’t wanna set up beat up rage fist

Rage fist is a nuke of a move

The set up Mon doesn’t have to set up, you’re allowed to attack without your boosts

If bax runs a set up move I wouldn’t be surprised if it just ripped glaive rush against me

[rustic mountain]

bax mega that lets it run a dragon move w/o a drawback

[rare pumice]

if i wanted a final gambit set that doesn't always use final gambit, i would just drop the bulk up thing all together then?

[rustic mountain]

no thats not wat im saying

[molten oasis]

Skill link would be cool

[rustic mountain]

im sayin a moveset w/ gambit and no scarf is just played differently depending on team choice and item choice

also too, that set was played w/ tera

gambit w/ no scarf and no tera might b awful

[molten oasis]

Hey man if you want a no drawback dragon move you got uh, dragon claw

[rustic mountain]

so u get an inaccurate dragon move that lowers ur defense instead

[molten oasis]

It’s that or glaive rush

[rustic mountain]

yea im good

[molten oasis]

Lmao

“I got metagross I’m fine”

[rustic mountain]

honestly tho

[rare pumice]

i guess my problem with scarf annihilape is just that i can't come up with a final move choice for it, like if i run final gambit, close combat, rage fist, i can't think of a fourth option since i don't like the idea of just using taunt and then switching out afterwards

[rustic mountain]

depending how good dnite and mence are, mega bax might b lit

[rustic mountain]

u turn

[molten oasis]

Depends yeah

[rare pumice]

is everybody expecting metagross to be the focal point of champions or is that just a pokemon everybody's talking about a lot?

[molten oasis]

Unfortunately the megas I like are okay

[molten oasis]

Tough claws heavy slam next to Pao ohkos rillaboom

Metagross does stupidly good damage with heavy slam

[rustic mountain]

dude pao isnt gna b in the game off rip lol

[molten oasis]

That still says something

[rustic mountain]

y do i need heavy slam to ohko rilla ill just use ice crash

[rare pumice]

are there any mega pokemon with a higher hp stat than annihilape?

[molten oasis]

Dawg it was an example, of how much damage that dude does

[rustic mountain]

i wonder if cuz they opted outta nfe mons for the start they rnt gna do terrain either

terrain + weather a lot for new ppl to take in haha

[rare pumice]

i was hoping i could bring pinccurchin to champions though

[rustic mountain]

im just speculating + im sure terrain would b in at some point if not the beginning

[molten oasis]

I think most likely it’ll just be the weathers

[rare pumice]

pincurchin not even getting volt switch is kind of horrendous, they just really don't like that pokemon i guess

[rustic mountain]

i remember using pincurchin a bit in swsh, fun times

but yea not every mon is supposed to b good in comp

[rare pumice]

for some reason i thought pincurchin was gonna be the savior of every future paradox pokemon back when gen 9 came out

[rustic mountain]

oh god lol

then ppl were like u know wat imma just not use my ability

or use booster energy

[molten oasis]

Hands is goated, and he didn’t have an ability for a while

[rare pumice]

i kind of wish the paradox pokemon had hidden abiities, i'm fine with the whole booster energy thing as the base ability, but i think some of them really could have benefited from a secondary option

[rustic mountain]

it won worlds 2023 w/o one

[molten oasis]

Yep

[rustic mountain]

the goat

[molten oasis]

He’s just that guy

[rare pumice]

wasn't there an iron hands oranguru set or something at one point

is rising voltage even in gen 9 or are expanding force and grassy glide the only moves from isle of armor moves gamefreak cared about

[molten oasis]

Rising voltage has very limited distribution

[rare pumice]

i feel like it was all over the place in gen 8, i wonder why expanding force didn't have that problem

[versed river]

it is

[versed river]

probably cos they were scared of miraidon teams

[rare pumice]

but i guess they just didn't mind the pokemon with special attacking version of moxie to have stab expanding force in the same generation as psyspam

[rare pumice]

if a pokemon with soundproof swaps into a parting shot, does the parting shot user not pivot anymore?

[versed river]

think so?

thats how it works with clear amulet

[chrome knot]

yes it cancels

[whole ibex]

Is anyone going to the Orlando regional

[rare pumice]

i've never been to an actual in person pokemon event before

[chrome knot]

reg i lmao

[next stump]

yes

[upper zealot]

yeah

[thorny shadow]

Why the F would you cut the gen 3 starters

Champions will have every starter set expect 3 & 8

Like just Why I hope this is unfinished or wrong

[bold geode]

Unfinished list

[thorny shadow]

Are you sure because every other starter set is on it

[waxen dock]

i wonder if you will be on stream

[chrome knot]

the game isn’t out yet

[thorny shadow]

I know

[chrome knot]

its just a list based on mons seen in official footage

[thorny shadow]

Still every other starter set has been shown

If we don't get them I will be upset

[chrome knot]

ok

[thorny shadow]

You never know with pokemon
They will say speed boost blaziken is broken so we cut all 3

[chrome knot]

are u ok ?

[thorny shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/ross-im-fine-friends-upset-gif-11661294

I just want blaziken and swampert

[rare pumice]

i kind of wouldn't be surprised if some of the pokemon in the footage aren't in the game either

like idk maybe some of the early footage at least

[chrome knot]

im not exactly sure that makes sense

i don’t think the mon pool is gonna be that limited

[thorny shadow]

They could just use them for testing?

[rare pumice]

well i don't know why people are assuming any pokemon are getting cut in the first place, beyond it being said that unevolved pokemon won't be in the game at launch, i would've assumed all pokemon would be in the game

[thorny shadow]

I don't mind it being that limited might be more fun

But If you're going to cut a set of starters only don't cut the most popular ones

[chrome knot]

lol

[thorny shadow]

I don't think every fully evolved pokemon will be in from the start

[rare pumice]

yea but i haven't heard any actual information coroborating that so idk why people are keeping expectations low

[chrome knot]

bc everyone is a debbydowner

[thorny shadow]

Maybe 🤔 we are used to pokemon disappointing us

[rare pumice]

yea i just figured that since they've spent the last 8 years adding more and more pokemon into the switch, i figured every pokemon officially catachable in a switch game would make the cut at the bare minimum

[chrome knot]

ive been pretty content

maybe ur the debbydowner

seems like it lol

[thorny shadow]

I don't think gen 9 is good grounds for contention

And I really enjoyed ZA

Gen 9 games suck

[chrome knot]

i liked gen 9

all the mons were cool, story was good

[rare pumice]

i really really disliked gen 9, i think the art direction is a real downgrade coming right after legends arceus and swsh, and i also generally just really dislike battling in the game because of how long everything takes

[lost sun]

annoying icl cus I like rilla and wanted to try mega swampert

[thorny shadow]

Yes but we have terra which is just ugly

I like things to look nice

[chrome knot]

tera is the best gimmick

[bold geode]

It is an unfinished list
The only time it'll be complete is when the game is out

[rare pumice]

the pokemon of gen 9 themselves did have some strong designs though, like if i were judging paldea's pokemon separately from the games themselves i wouldn't be that upset about the generation, but the games do not do it for me

[thorny shadow]

Yes but it look terrible

[lost sun]

for comp

[bold geode]

Also

[chrome knot]

it also is very pretty on some mons lol

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/67-6767-676767-cat67-cat-gif-18345003009543756801

[chrome knot]

it is a gimmick i enjoy very much lol

[chrome knot]

you THIEF

[rare pumice]

i also disliked terastalization from every aspect, i disliked how it looked and i disliked the randomness it addes to battles

[thorny shadow]

I still think the Idea of megas is the best

[chrome knot]

monke check out mawile hit this jig

https://tenor.com/view/mawile-pokemon-pokemon-amie-yay-happy-gif-8293514402305176811

[rare pumice]

i think mega evolution was the coolest in all likelihood, but dynamax might be my favorite

[bold geode]

Emma have you looked at April Fools sprites

[chrome knot]

no im perma /afd off girl

[thorny shadow]

I did enjoy dynamaxing but it's weird when they grow big

[bold geode]

The sprite for base Beedrill is just one of those "entire Bee Movie" gifs

[thorny shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/gigantamaxpikachu-gigantamax-pikachu-pokemon-giant-gif-21153664

Piiii

[bold geode]

Dynamax was ASS

[thorny shadow]

I don't agree

[bold geode]

Dynassmax

[chrome knot]

i need to find it but there exists a video somewhere of stunfisk being hit with max rockfall and im literally crying laughing

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/rillaboom-wood-hammer-pokemon-gif-7274090915577562669

One of my favorites

[lost sun]

is room service a useful item

[chrome knot]

not rly

[rare pumice]

isn't there also an item called utility umbrella or something as well

i think paldea overall was much more successful at implementing good competitive held items, the loaded dice and covert cloak were really strong choices

heavy duty boots seem like the only thing to come out of gen 8 though

[foggy lodge]

Most of the new items were really

Really good sometimes a bit too good

I hate clam CIR but eh its fine

[solid frigate]

Nah the randomness is minimised in Bo3

You just have to prepare for who is using it

[rare pumice]

idk it just sort of added a component to battling that i wasn't a fan of i guess

[solid frigate]

And it’s usable for every mon and create boardstates that should be accompanied

[versed river]

veryyyyyyyyyyyyyyy niche
i could see a use case but 99.99999999% of the time it is just worse than iron ball which is already niche

[versed river]

loaded dice might be my fav item ngl

[lost sun]

forgot iron ball was a thing

[solid frigate]

I seen some play but mostly from Bo1

[chrome knot]

scale shots you

[versed river]

my friend told me i am flutter mane so im immune to that

[chrome knot]

iron hed

[stone trellis]

Yep, my heart finally strangled itself from the cringe 💀

[chrome knot]

?

[grand spire]

which mega would yall recommend to teambuild around

[chrome knot]

charizard y, metagross, gengar, kang maybe? froslass seems promising & mawile is a good tr mega

[grand spire]

what about lopunny

[chrome knot]

i wanna say its good as a niche pick, its jus frail

[rare pumice]

i've been doing literally anything pokemon related just to bide time until champions is out

i now have a tier list for like 11 of the 18 types now

[bold geode]

@chrome knot you have to see the Mega Heatran sprite

[solid frigate]

You can Teambuild based off of this chart (old megas)

The only meta relevant ones are
Mega Zard Y,Mega Metagross,Mega Gengar,Mega Mawile,Mega Froslass,Mega Kangaskhan, Mega Salamence,Mega Venusaur

[rare pumice]

at first i thought that was a traditional S-F tier list and i was bout to have a lot of questions about aerodactyl's placement

[foggy lodge]

Mega Pidgeot💔

[bold geode]

@foggy lodge look at the Mega Heatran sprite

[foggy lodge]

I already saw it LOL

[bold geode]

[solid frigate]

Of course there are some others that are considered Anti Meta or close to full meta

Like Mega Gyarados,Mega Zard X, Mega Tyranitar,Mega Lucario, Mega Lopunny Mega Gardevoir

[bold geode]

Lame.tierlist
Should've done a tierlist on aura

[rare pumice]

is blastoise in the tier it's given because of shell smash now?

[solid frigate]

The fact that bro’s design is GAS but so underwhelming

[solid frigate]

Either that or it has the second strongest Water Spout

[rare pumice]

i didn't know blastoise got water spout

[solid frigate]

But if you want to use a water Mega

Just use Mega Gyarados or even Mega Swampert

[rare pumice]

do you think feraligatr will make it onto that list?

[solid frigate]

One of them is a setup mon with a sdecent defensive type combo and one is a swift swim sweeper

[solid frigate]

As of rn

Probably not

Well not yet

[rare pumice]

i think starmie has some crazy potential

[solid frigate]

I want to see other new megas

That sounds oddly familiar to that one conversation Monke and max had

[chrome knot]

nope i have /afd never on

[bold geode]

Plz go look at it

I'm begging you

[bold geode]

<@&663761167176433665> petition to change the server icon to Mega Heatran

@foggy lodge
https://x.com/i/status/2038856556247449976

DimtheSimVGC (@DimtheSimVGC)

X · Mar 31, 2026, 5:50 AM

[wild stream]

I don't think mega banette got enough goodies to be viable

[upper zealot]

just click plot then psychic with csr

[bold geode]

Real

[molten oasis]

That heatran sprite is nuts

[rustic mountain]

on sd?

[molten oasis]

The mega heatran yeah

[versed river]

how do yall think gender differences will work in champions? can you have 1 indeedee male and 1 indeedee female or

[dense latch]

i don’t see why it would change from the previous pokemon games

even if they’re different forms the pokemon is still the same

[versed river]

yes but im assuming you can only recruit 1 copy of a pokemon so im wondering if people who get one forme will be screwed if they wanna use the other one

[chrome knot]

no..?

thatd be like saying ok choose one lycanroc form

[left bobcat]

Guys

Bro is right if we wanna win it’s on us

[sudden remnant]

any good abilities revealed today?

[sudden remnant]

dusk in a non-sand team midday in a sand team

[molten oasis]

Not yet

[sudden remnant]

i thought it was today?

[versed river]

its starting at like 12 utc or something no

and taking 12 hours

[sudden remnant]

what is utc 😭

[versed river]

online converters 😭

[sudden remnant]

so i got 3 more hours

[versed river]

wdym

with 12 utc i meant 12 am

[sudden remnant]

yeah its 9pm there rn isnt it

[foggy lodge]

Like 4 hours left for the update

The thing is that there's also something for the server i don't remember what and that takes like 6 more hours

[versed river]

it should be 10 there rn

[sudden remnant]

utc is 5 hours ahead of me

[versed river]

the maintenance is planned to take 12 hours

[sudden remnant]

according to google

[sudden remnant]

so its from utc midnight, 7pm
for me, to 12 pm utc tomorrow or 7am for me

🫩

[versed river]

approximately
the maintenance will probably be shorter or longer than expected

[sudden remnant]

welp guess im not sleeping tonight

[versed river]

you can just wake up at 7 tomorrow thats a normal time to wake up 😭

[sudden remnant]

not for me

[versed river]

speaking of having healthy sleep schedules its 10 pm here and im tired so im going to sleep

[sudden remnant]

must be nice having anormal sleep schedule

nighty night

[chrome knot]

gootnight

[grand spire]

do yall think mega scrafty would be a good tr mon?

[sudden remnant]

lets see what ability it gets

[bold geode]

Doubt it
Just better options

[wild stream]

better non mega options

[chrome knot]

@bold geode theory teambuilding sucks all roads lead back to farig ursa

[bold geode]

I mean yeah why try to build when cocaine bear just

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-explode-clouds-of-smoke-gif-17216934

[chrome knot]

yeah hes like

the ultimate neutralizer of this format

after u lop is devious work ngl

[bold geode]

Lopunny has After You?

[bold geode]

Damn those are actually good speed tiers for that what

Not like Lilligant levels good but still pretty good

[chrome knot]

still good and doesn’t need sun to activate it

205spe tier

[lost sun]

mega crab feels nice but I don't think it will get contrary

[chrome knot]

yo what mega doesn’t auto lose to sun teams

need a 6th for a team but its too honest into sun