RIP my granny she got hit by a bazooka
#competitive_discussion
rare pumice
the burn immunity could probably come in handy
sudden remnant
this team is quite odd icl
lowkey might not use the jellicent i want something physical
tiny karmaBOT
rare pumice
idk maybe it leaves a chill in the air with how fast it retreats from confrontation
sudden remnant
the swampert name is genuinely staring at me
rare pumice
i think i must sleep now, i have somewhere to be at noon and it is almost 5 am
au revoir
sudden remnant
jaane
bold geode
@foggy lodge I'm sorry, did I just see Great Tusk in finals of Seville?
versed river
<@797571447118757910> I'm sorry, did I just see Great Tusk in finals of Seville?
yep
and ofc it lost to the psyspam crown this is reg f
bold geode
Fire
versed river
tusk makes alot of sense
good typing for bolt with ground and it does insane damage to lando rilla and torn with ice spinner
surprised we didnt see it earlier ngl
foggy lodge
Wait we are officially done with reg F
waxen dock
Is there a place i can see the cape town regional standings and pairings?
foggy lodge
Pokedata
lost sun
Wait we are officially done with reg F
what's next is it reg I again
chrome knot
@bold geode do u play pogo
bold geode
I do not
chrome knot
:(
dense latch
X
rare pumice
my friend's been using kanto ninetales for years now in singles
sudden remnant
you ruined the sentence with “in singles” 😔
next stump
it should have won the event but it missed a heat wave hahaha
rare pumice
i can't convince my friends to enter doubles, it's a big barrier to entry for a lot of people
sudden remnant
it should have won the event but it missed a heat wave hahaha
happens to the best of us
1 singular miss can lose you the whole game
rare pumice
they seem more excited at using certain megas like lucario z in singles for example
shadow wind
that’s such an insane number to think about
3x the size of my hometown
sudden remnant
can they reveal all the mons available on launch already
shadow wind
Like lowkey baffling
sudden remnant
we got a week 😭
rare pumice
has primarina ever been on a psyspam team before?
shadow wind
Probably at some point
sudden remnant
has primarina ever been on a psyspam team before?
wouldnt be surprised
rare pumice
i just figure that haze is super important and i can't think of any pokemon that can take a few hits from both dondozo and fighting types other than primarina
lost sun
sinistcha
rare pumice
sinistcha gets haze??
chrome knot
it should have won the event but it missed a heat wave hahaha
missed sucker punch play
lost sun
sinistcha gets haze??
forgot about that part
rare pumice
i guess clear smog is also an option but idk if sinistcha gets that either
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
no haze and no clear smog
next stump
Yeah but I really think that even with sucker punch, he still loses. Dillon (Dylan?) didn't stall the last turn of Carson's tailwind with protect since his Landorus was full HP, but he would have stalled it out with protect if he took Sucker Punch damage. I don't remember the board state 100% but I don't think Sucker Punch guaranteed the win
next stump
sinistcha probably doesn't need haze to deal with dondozo
you can burn and heal with matcha, redirect with rage powder, and dozo can't tera in champions
so it's a pretty solid counter
rare pumice
i guess so
rare pumice
and suddenly sinistcha has made the team who woulda thought
lost sun
🙏
solid frigate
sinistcha probably doesn't need haze to deal with dondozo
Matcha Burn,Strength Sap
Your choice
shadow wind
Crazy how broken strength sap is
lost sun
does strength sap include the atk raises
shadow wind
Yes
It calcs using the exact Atk number of the Mon
I don’t think it includes choice band though
I wonder if pure/huge power get calced
tiny karmaBOT
rare pumice
burn doesn't get calc'd for strength sap either i think
solid frigate
Yeah
solid frigate
Sini basically is a dozo/Ursaluna check (not counter,Check)
sudden remnant
Matcha Burn,Strength Sap
Your choice
or you could avoid the games on matcha gatcha and straight will o wisp it
sudden remnant
I don’t think it includes choice band though
do you know how strength sap interracts with a burned mon
dense latch
Well burn isn’t attack
.
sudden remnant
ah didnt see that my b
dense latch
burn has nothing to do with the attack stat
foggy lodge
its weird cuz burn doesn't drop BP and it does affect the attack stat but
dense latch
that's why zama's body press still does half even tho it uses defense
foggy lodge
It doesn't change anything about strength sap
sudden remnant
Sini basically is a dozo/Ursaluna check (not counter,Check)
what would ursaluna have to hit sinistcha tho unless its ubm then ig it wouldnt matter
foggy lodge
I think it just applies specifically to the damage calc and then its reduced to 50%
lost sun
what would ursaluna have to hit sinistcha tho unless its ubm then ig it wouldnt ...
if sinistcha does get popular Ursa could use crunch
dense latch
if sinistcha does get popular Ursa could use crunch
that’s never gonna be worth it unless sinistcha becomes insanely meta for whatever reason
its four moves all have way more value in any other scenario
sudden remnant
i mean im considering using it a shame it doesnt have pollen puff tho
foggy lodge
y
solid frigate
Hospitality:
sudden remnant
cuz im gonna sit it to absol z the frailest cannon in town
foggy lodge
It gets life dew xd
sudden remnant
65/60/60 is uh, rough
foggy lodge
Even with pollen puff its not tanking anything
sudden remnant
its other stats are good enough i can invest in its bulk tho
solid frigate
You just fucking die to one solid move
sudden remnant
surely i can make it live something
154 attack and 151 speed are absurd stats
and dark ghost also isnt terrible typing
foggy lodge
i really don't see how sinistcha is supposed to help absol z
versed river
i just figure that haze is super important and i can't think of any pokemon that...
the humble dragonite
sudden remnant
redirect single target hits, heal back spread damage
solid frigate
172 Atk Tough Claws Metagross-Mega Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Absol-Mega-Z: 69-82 (49.2 - 58.5%) -- 98% chance to 2HKO
Yeah no and that’s without my coaching Sneasler
sudden remnant
thats also without me investing any defense
which i can afford to do theoretically
versed river
if mega absol is strong enough to be popular they will likely need to run maxspeed or have flexible speed control to beat each other just like calyrex shadow does
which means you either give up on bulk or damage
rare pumice
absol might be able to one shot no hp/def mega metagross if it gets a good enough ability i think
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
idk about that
solid frigate
Literally the only way to run Both Mega Absol
Max attack
Max speed
versed river
metagross is super bulky
rare pumice
yea but i looked at a calc and the damage got pretty high up there from absol's end
it was still like 10 percent off, but if it gets like sharpness for example, i think its night slash can finish it off
versed river
the humble pippi:
sudden remnant
i mean sharpness night slash on a crit could probably give metagross an ibuprofen headache
versed river
sudden remnant
fuck your stupid cat
versed river
incin will be happier to play metagross
rare pumice
for some reason i thought base absol got defiant until just recently
solid frigate
252 Atk Absol-Mega-Z Knock Off vs. 76 HP / 4 Def Metagross-Mega: 90-108 (54.5 - 65.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
solid frigate
My incineroar is going to be very happy
T r u e
versed river
you arent running knock off in a mega format on your mega as your stab tbh
sudden remnant
252 Atk Absol-Mega-Z Knock Off vs. 76 HP / 4 Def Metagross-Mega: 90-108 (54.5 - ...
try 108 adamant on a nightslash
foggy lodge
It gets lash out right
rare pumice
the calc i was refering to used throat chop i think, i know it's not an optimal move choice but i figured knock off wasn't the play if a bunch of megas are gonna run around
foggy lodge
Lash out is better I think
lost sun
does knockoff do full damage to megas
foggy lodge
If it doesn't get a stronger move
sudden remnant
does knockoff do full damage to megas
no
rare pumice
knock off doesn't get the damage boost on megas i'm pretty sure
versed river
does knockoff do full damage to megas
it only does when it removes an item AFAIK
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
it doesnt it cant knock off the mega stone
versed river
just like it doesnt get the boost when its used on dialga or palkia horse forme
foggy lodge
Do megas consume the stone after they mega or do they still have it?
solid frigate
108+ Atk Absol-Mega-Z Night Slash vs. 76 HP / 4 Def Metagross-Mega: 98-116 (59.3 - 70.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Absol-Mega-Z Night Slash vs. 76 HP / 4 Def Metagross-Mega: 98-116 (59.3 - 70.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
foggy lodge
Cuz I know knock is boosted always into the ogerpons
versed river
Do megas consume the stone after they mega or do they still have it?
they still have it
solid frigate
That’s still fine I still win the damage trade
rare pumice
oh i think i know what the problem was, i was using an adamant absol z in my calc
versed river
double team swords dance night slash protect next to clefairy and amoonguss
solid frigate
Incin and Milotic can deal with Mega Absol gladly
rare pumice
why milotic?
sudden remnant
108+ Atk Absol-Mega-Z Night Slash vs. 76 HP / 4 Def Metagross-Mega: 98-116 (59.3...
yummy damage
if it gets tough claws im probably running knock off over night slash anyways but if its sharpness night slash 100%
solid frigate
why milotic?
Anti Intimidate with Competitive
Coil (Defense and Accuracy
Scald(chance for burns)
Hypnosis(for being toxic mf and there is no sleep mons besides Venusaur)
Icy wind for speed control
sudden remnant
adaptability would also be fun
versed river
in before it gets tangled hair
rare pumice
using coil to boost hypnosis accuracy might be the most evil thing i've heard of so far this year
versed river
using coil to boost hypnosis accuracy might be the most evil thing i've heard of...
its been a thing for a good while
rare pumice
i had no idea
solid frigate
It’s a thing back in Gen 7 as well
versed river
i found a forum from 2010 talking about it lmaoo
rare pumice
i'm kind of surprised meganium doesn't get sleep powder given how support/bulk oriented it was initially designed to be
versed river
i'm kind of surprised meganium doesn't get sleep powder given how support/bulk o...
it doesnt?
rare pumice
no
tiny karmaBOT
rare pumice
it gets poison powder but no sleep or stun i think
versed river
yooo aromatherapy
rare pumice
when i first played pokemon infinite fusions, i fused a poliwrath with a machamp and it had no guard hypnosis
sudden remnant
is there anyone here that played in the sun moon era i can never remember
specifically i want to know if mega houndoom had any results
versed river
specifically i want to know if mega houndoom had any results
isnt there a website to look up a pokemons history? i dont remember what its called though
dense latch
pikalytics and munchstats are for a different purpose
next stump
3rd at a Special Event but if you click into it, it had 25 players LOL
versed river
it had 0.05% usage in 2018
dense latch
you can kinda see results through past usage rates but yea limitless is the better pick
dense latch
3rd at a Special Event but if you click into it, it had 25 players LOL
crazy to think about in comparison to today's numbers
sudden remnant
so it has potential it just hasnt provided 
rare pumice
i think one of the megas i'm most excited for is mega lucario now that it's immune to intimidate pre-mega
versed river
so it has potential it just hasnt provided <:BE_KannaSip:662218566808109058>
it is kinda ass especially with powercreep
dense latch
so it has potential it just hasnt provided <:BE_KannaSip:662218566808109058>
i think it just doesn't have potential and has thus not provided much
next stump
I was looking at my first ever regional and it had 180 players
Crazy growth in just 3.5 years
sudden remnant
i think it just doesn't have potential and has thus not provided much
but its big doggo 🥺
rare pumice
apparently using gravity turns hypnosis 100% accurate
sudden remnant
id use manectric if it wasn’t literally useless without its mega
versed river
apparently using gravity turns hypnosis 100% accurate
just barely
rare pumice
i mean just barely 100% accurate is still 100%, i just don't think using gravity just for hypnosis would have high impact unless it was partnered with really high damaging inaccurate moves
rare pumice
id use manectric if it wasn’t literally useless without its mega
idk if i'd say "useless" necessarily
sudden remnant
useless.
dense latch
lucario's almost a dog that one seems usable enough
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
105 speed is good 105 special attack is okay and thats like it
tiny karmaBOT
rare pumice
i mean lightning rod is just really good support on a pokemon that also has volt switch, and its overheat pairs well with volt switch, and there's no telling if it's gonna get any new good moves in champions
plus outspeeding pelipper while absorbing electro shot is a good counter-rain concept in theory i think
foggy lodge
I think Manectric wasn't that bad?
rare pumice
plus snarl isn't the worst choice available ever but idk if that's pushing the envelope too far
foggy lodge
But I think it was good cuz of specific mons like Koko or Zapdos
sudden remnant
its speed isnt terrible so snarl wouldnt be bad
dense latch
it did get 2nd at worlds in 2016
foggy lodge
So like a restricteds anti meta pick or something like that
sudden remnant
So like a restricteds anti meta pick or something like that
umbreon mentioned
foggy lodge
Wait it was against Wolfey LOL
sudden remnant
what second in 2016?
foggy lodge
Yea
sudden remnant
yeah that would make sense since he won that year
dense latch
next to kyogre
foggy lodge
Makes sense
rare pumice
i guess that kyogre didn't mind losing out on thunder then
dense latch
yea bc it just used ice beam
sudden remnant
would absol z and manectric work tho
foggy lodge
No
rare pumice
if manectric is an anti meta pick then i'd assume the mega you pair with it would have to benefit a whole lot from manectric, as well as just knowing what the meta is first
dense latch
i think manectric has a chance in restricted fast paced formats when soaking up one attack with lightning rod before mega really means a lot
rare pumice
maybe it could be paired with gyarados?
dense latch
not in the possible lower power formats we'll get
foggy lodge
I was looking through results and it apparently won a national with rain
Maybe it could be usable in rain
rare pumice
either in rain or against is an option i think
dense latch
o wow it doesn't have bad results actually
sudden remnant
i want a physical mega and i want a special mega and i really really want to use absol
rare pumice
absol is gonna be a kind of tricky mega to use i think
sudden remnant
gaining the ghost typing is good for pesky fake out mons (like the fucking cat)
and gaining 76 base speed points is amazing
rare pumice
unless it's fake out kangaskhan or lopunny
tiny karmaBOT
rare pumice
maybe farigiraf could be a good partner for absol z if it makes it in
dense latch
dark ghost is lowkey a really bad typing for it
it sucks offensively and you're getting hit for neutral by most moves
rare pumice
its biggest strength is the number of immunities* it has i'd think
sudden remnant
barring any mon that happens to have scrappy
lost sun
maybe farigiraf could be a good partner for absol z if it makes it in
farig is in
rare pumice
farigiraf was one of my favorite pokemon from violet
dense latch
seems hard to implement in champions
given it’s based on IVs
unless they give us the choice
sudden remnant
that would be nice
rare pumice
do you think safety goggles will be usef a lot less if amoonguss doesn't make it in?
sudden remnant
no cuz of chlorophyll venusaur next to zard y
rare pumice
now that i'm looking at umbreon, it seems like a kind of interesting choice
bold with max hp can't be taken down by heavy slam + bullet punch jolly mega metagross, foul play would do a lot of damage back, and there are a lot of helpful options it provides i think
sudden remnant
its value increases in higher level formats from what ive been told
umbre is quite the chonky cat
i feel so sorry for leafeon its stats are good just mono grass does nothing for it
rare pumice
i'm wondering if moonlight is a good or bad choice on it since it would be really helpful against charizard y, but be kind of pointless if pelipper or mega froslass showed up
rare pumice
body press mega chesnaught would be kind of awesome if it weren't for the charizard y right there
sudden remnant
if you wanna run mega chesnaught do it bro lmao
im debating if i lock in absol z and manectric
rare pumice
i could see it using max hp and def/sp.def with spiky shield, leech seed, body press
sudden remnant
does absol get uturn
rare pumice
no
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
unfortunate
rare pumice
i just had a super mean idea
shadow tag gothitelle with leech seed mega chesnaught is kind of funny
sudden remnant
a ghost type would ruin your whole strat
cant be trapped and is immune to body pressure
rare pumice
does psychic fangs ignore screens when it does damage or does it just remove the effect afterwards
rare pumice
i just didn't know if the screen breaking was included in the moves damage or not
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
hm
who even benefits from lightning rod (thats worth using) besides zard y
i wish sableye bot had a filter for “has a mega”
rare pumice
well when it comes to megas that are weak to electric
the only ones i can really think of are gyarados, charizard y, and blastoise
sudden remnant
tiny karmaBOT
rare pumice
there's mega greninja but its protean kind of helps itself already
sudden remnant
im NOT using greninja
rare pumice
only one left is mega staraptor
lost sun
what's hawluchas niche
sudden remnant
skarmory has all its stats redistributed
sudden remnant
what's hawluchas niche
unburden
lost sun
ah
sudden remnant
zard y would mean id have 2 special attackers pidgeot sucks blastoise sucks and is special staraptor is an option aerodactyl is an option hawlucha is likely gonna be staraptor from temu
theres sharpedo maybe
if im using gyarados im not mega evolving it id rather have it as utility
lost sun
zard y would mean id have 2 special attackers pidgeot sucks blastoise sucks and ...
skarmory maybe
sudden remnant
depends on what ability it gets
lost sun
ye windrider would be nice with it
sudden remnant
wind rider would he CRAZY
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
nice sprite lmao
if anyone is getting tough claws its this thing
surely
it wont make much competitive difference but can they also give it crush claw if it doesnt already have it
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
it does not
for manectric do i just volt switch overheat snarl
its movepool is quite bad considering its a gen 3 mon
it does get hyper voice small comfort though that is
it gets roar that could be good (maybe)
thorny notch
Hey,
I'm looking to getting into VGC now that Champions is on the horizon, I want to have a rough outline or a few trained pokemon before the game releases. I used to play a bit of singles (around 8 years ago). I used an okay sun team to beat the second dlc but I'm open to beginner friendly teamsuggestion. I thought this chat was the best way to get advice.
next stump
Hello! Unfortunately it's tough to give team advice since we don't know what pokemon will be legal in Champions right now
sudden remnant
yeah they havent given us the official list of mons available which sucks cuz it releases in a week
thorny notch
ahh ofc, I'm open to other teams too, even if they won't be legal on launch it wouldn't hurt to have a catalog of mons to have spare
next stump
I'm not quite sure what you mean, if you want to start getting pokemon ready for Champions I'd start by catching pokemon with current Megas
thorny notch
i was thinking about current staples like amoongus or incineroar
sudden remnant
current staples might not be staples in a mega format
incineroar is confirmed amogsus is not
thorny notch
current staples might not be staples in a mega format
ah yeah i see, we love changing formats, I guess more then catching mons and farming items isn't ideal till the release
sudden remnant
just catch any megas you might be interested in for now
thorny notch
i should probably finish za too
lost sun
good point I might want to use floette
dapper crag
ZA should be compatible when Champions comes out, but I don’t believe eternal Floette is treated as a legendary
sudden remnant
no way they make that thing legal right away 😭
dapper crag
I think they will
next stump
What are its stats? Is it comparable to restricted legendaries
tiny karmaBOT
dapper crag
Yeah so basically sublegend
tiny karmaBOT
chrome knot
when was floette added to plza comp
dapper crag
Never banned
It was always usable
It got 20/20/30/20/10 stat investment
Probably has some signature ability up its sleeve too
I do wonder what they’re doing with Zygarde, Heatran, Darkrai, Zeraora, and Magearna though
There are casual and private battles so it’s not like they couldn’t only be used there
next stump
please please please give us a low power format to start
rare pumice
when was floette added to plza comp
i think i remember seeing it as early as season 2
sudden remnant
Probably has some signature ability up its sleeve too
it already has a signature move what more does it need
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
basically fairy type steel beam
rare pumice
do you think xerneas would still have been as good if it weren't for fairy aura, or is that like one of the primary reasons to use it
sudden remnant
its broken cuz of not just fairy aura but fucking geomancy
it raises 3 of its 4 relevant stats
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
like what the fuck is this.
doubled special attack doubled special defense and doubles speed
rare pumice
do you think it would still be used if they nerfed geomancy so that it doesn't get affected by power herb
sudden remnant
absolutely
rare pumice
i wonder why people train it in speed and sp.atk so much if geomancy sort of makes it as high as it needs to be
i feel like it would've been a fluttermane situation where they'd want it to be more bulky
sudden remnant
cuz it wants stuff to die and not take any chances
rare pumice
i am thinking of pairing a grimmsnarl with mega chesnaught so that chesnaught becomes an immovable object in the battles i bring it to
but i am having trouble on deciding the fourth move
it can survive a single overheat/heat wave from zard y, or a hurricane from pelipper if light screen is up, so i'm at an impasse on if i should have thunder punch of a rock type move
sudden remnant
i hope hisuian lilligant is in the game
i dont want the sleep powder i want clorophyll CC
ill HAVE the sleep powder but i wanna click cc first
rare pumice
would you have victory dance on it
sudden remnant
ofc i would
rare pumice
triple axel would take out any dragonite you see
rare pumice
i think i'd prefer swords dance or solar blade over victory dance personally
unless it were more of a bulky set for victory dance
rare pumice
it astonishes me that bulletproof does not count bullet punch as a bullet move
sudden remnant
no its a punch
rare pumice
mega chesnaught being immune to both of mega gengar's primary stab moves is kind of funny in retrospect
as well as weather ball
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
its not immune to moonblast tho
rare pumice
i don't see the problem
rare pumice
yes but everything is weak to something
dapper crag
it already has a signature move what more does it need
A signature ability obviously
sudden remnant
please no
dapper crag
Light of Ruin is basically special Fairy Head Smash
sudden remnant
theres a more accurate move to compare it to
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
there is no different between this picture and this picture
rare pumice
steel beam is always half your health though isn't it
sudden remnant
so is light of ruin
rare pumice
light of ruin/head smash is half the damage you do
tiny karmaBOT
rare pumice
chesnaught shall reign supreme
indigo coral
doubled special attack doubled special defense and doubles speed
Also doubles Attack, Physical Xerneas was absolutely a thing in some formats
sudden remnant
no it doesnt
indigo coral
Oh wtf Mandella effect
sudden remnant
it never did
indigo coral
Oh it was because of Swords Dance
sudden remnant
indigo coral
I am running on 4 hours of sleep, I was wrong, apologies
indigo coral
the recoil cant kill you though thats nice
Also Light of Ruin recoil absolutely does kill you. Can confirm because I used AZ Floette for the Rayquaza fight (and most DLC fights) in ZA. The description is saying that the recoil you take is never zero recoil, you will always take at least 1 point of recoil.
So if somehow that nuke of a move does 1 damage, you still take 1 point of recoil
sudden remnant
bleh
rare pumice
https://pokepast.es/b9f345fdc5c31ad5 i would like some criticism on my currently planned team for champions
i am taking any possible replacement suggestions for rillaboom and gholdengo as well in case they don't make it into champions
sudden remnant
wheres the other 4 points for gyarados volcarona rillaboom and gallade
and what is the purpose of this team
foggy lodge
https://pokepast.es/b9f345fdc5c31ad5 i would like some criticism on my currently...
Gallade its not too good outside of TR
rare pumice
he's mostly there as anti trick room
and he also one shots archaludon, which i felt was a priority
rare pumice
you don't think intimidate would be an issue if i'm hoping to target archaludon with him?
dense latch
clear smog honestly feels like a waste when there's no telling how good dozo is gonna be in champions
especially on your mega and a mon as strong as gengar
foggy lodge
I get that its to OHKO but when I played Gallade out of hard TR it honestly felt really bad without the sash
rare pumice
clear smog is just in case, i can remove it for another option if dondozo doesn't turn out
foggy lodge
clear smog honestly feels like a waste when there's no telling how good dozo is ...
Yeah and I feel like perish is already fine to solve for Dozo
Does perish affect Tatsugiri inside of dozo
rare pumice
you think just perish trap and protect will be enough to stall it out?
that's kind of what i'm worried about
foggy lodge
Yeah cuz you have rilla
So fake out perish protect u turn fake out those stuff
Also terrain helps for earthquake which would be a problem considering at some point with EQ it could pick up a double ko
rare pumice
yea i'm more worried about the wave crash though, at +2 i'll need good positioning with gengar to not get one shot by that if i don't use clear smog
bold geode
Does perish affect Tatsugiri inside of dozo
Yeah
Wolfe ran that at NAIC
foggy lodge
And also I think you can even overwhelm the dozo
rare pumice
unless i just don't ues mega gengar and go for focus sash since dondozo can't switch out?
dense latch
clear smog's opportunity cost is WAY too high
bold geode
The thing is Tatsugiri is immune to Perish Song if it's inside Dondozo's mouth when the song is used
dense latch
sludge bomb is going to be better in every game except for dondozo
rare pumice
or is perish trap more valuable than the focus sash would be?
foggy lodge
Cuz dozo can't tera anymore and you have rilla boosted terrain and sacred sword and even gengar with sludge bomb hits super hard even if dozo is at +2 cuz spd is its weak side
bold geode
In order for it to be affected, Tatsugiri has to hear Perish Song before it combines with Dondozo
foggy lodge
The thing is Tatsugiri is immune to Perish Song if it's inside Dondozo's mouth w...
Fuck
lost sun
or is perish trap more valuable than the focus sash would be?
don't think u would use perish often with this team
foggy lodge
That if you perish dozo you pick up the double KO lol
bold geode
Oh yeah no you don't
rare pumice
don't think u would use perish often with this team
that's why i'm wondering if maybe just drop the mega stone and maybe just focus sash on gengar but idk anymore
foggy lodge
Sucks but eh its fine
bold geode
Tatsugiri is immune to effects like that in Dondozo's mouth
lost sun
Tatsugiri is immune to effects like that in Dondozo's mouth
even attacks that don't miss?
rare pumice
i think so
forest arrow
Nothing hits Tatsu when it’s combined with Dozo
foggy lodge
Can haze affect tatsugiri inside dozo's mouth
Like a -2 giri after a draco can be resetted
rare pumice
if i drop clear smog on mega gengar what move would you suggest for the fourth slot?
foggy lodge
Sludge bomb
lost sun
sludge bomb
rare pumice
sludge bomb and shadow ball both?
lost sun
ye
foggy lodge
Yeah
rare pumice
the hp investment is still ok to keep though?
lost sun
no idea tbh
foggy lodge
uhh idk
lost sun
would have to figure out EVs when games released
foggy lodge
We don't know the format or meta so its kind of useless to try to defensively calc for stuff
bold geode
https://x.com/i/status/2038052119786471737
@foggy lodge watch this and tell me if we flame this guy
foggy lodge
I already watched it
bold geode
Of course you did
foggy lodge
I kind of agree tera is sometimes a get out of jail free card
bold geode
Oh sometimes it is
rare pumice
i vastly prefered dynamax over tera
lost sun
wonder if koraidon would be usable without tera
foggy lodge
That's like what these gimmicks have done like dynamax or z moves being able to oneshot or bulk up something
forest arrow
Like a -2 giri after a draco can be resetted
Yes, because they count as two pokemon in one spot, haze does affect, so I guess not nothing
foggy lodge
But like tera is a skill anyways
You have to force the trades sometimes
I agree it's annoying due to the 50/50s it sometimes forces but its not like Pokemon was inmune to 50/50s
bold geode
Yeah
I think using the gimmicks is a skill thing
With Dynamax kinda being the worst still mainly cuz of the gimmicks attached
rare pumice
there's this one infamous moment i've heard of during sword and shield where somebody had a charizard whimsicott set, but they dynamaxed the whimsicott to lay down misty terrain so that charizard wouldn't get paralyzed
maybe infamous is a bit strong a word
but it stuck with me after i heard about it at least
sudden remnant
there's this one infamous moment i've heard of during sword and shield where som...
charizard wouldnt be protected by the terrain
rare pumice
oh maybe i wsa thinking of something else then
lost sun
do u would incin be worth using on rain teams in champs
rare pumice
anyways, i have another question my team, should i go for attack invest on rillaboom instead of sp.def until we know how the meta changes?
lost sun
even with no more knockoff and can't really use flareblitz
rare pumice
i thought flare blitz was a super important move on incineroar
sudden remnant
parting shot snarl willowisp
lost sun
ye ig
sudden remnant
and fake out ofc
lost sun
I built more of a perish trap rain team so that set could be good for keeping gengar alive
sudden remnant
thank you both for reminding me to bring taunt on whim
and if i can find someone that gets throat chop that too
rare pumice
taunt on whim won't work on incineroar just incase
do you think pokemon home will open up to z-a before champions releases or am i just screwed in regards to getting a chespin
sudden remnant
taunt on whim won't work on incineroar just incase
incineroar doesnt learn perish song
rare pumice
i know i just figured since we were just talking about incineroar and you brought up taunt on whim, i figured i'd say just in case there was a misunderstanding or something
rare pumice
throat chop on incineroar or against it?
sudden remnant
i wonder if a mental herb would clear perish song
rare pumice
how does it help against incineroar?
lost sun
what does it do against
lost sun
didn't know parting shot was considered sound
lost sun
🔥
sudden remnant
i am not dealing with perish song so taunt and throat chop are gonna be my friends
rare pumice
i must aquire my chespin some how i simply must
sudden remnant
scarlet violet
rare pumice
yes but getting 3000 points seems like a less than stellar way to spend my time
sudden remnant
the indigo disk expansion
you dont have much of a choice my friend
cuz za wont be home compatible for a bit
rare pumice
no fair
next stump
there's this one infamous moment i've heard of during sword and shield where som...
https://www.youtube.com/live/dH8dfkQaXsA?t=8355&si=dd2h4CmUNRssnaGp
Took a sec to find but I remember watching that play live
Dynamax Whims to turn 1 to prevent Kyogre from being put to sleep
rare pumice
oh for some reason i thought it was charizard next to it
lost sun
I heard about that too didn't they swap out the whims right after
rare pumice
i think so
i specifically remember the moment because the commentators were all like "and that was not the play" or something
i deeply miss sword and shield's art style for the pokemon and just visually, sv was such a downgrade visually for me
next stump
I’m really excited to have spectator mode back
sudden remnant
i deeply miss sword and shield's art style for the pokemon and just visually, sv...
they had more to render
next stump
It’s been weird watching scarlet violet since we just know what one player is doing
rare pumice
spectator mode has been in past pokemon games?
rare pumice
i thought it was a new thing to champions
next stump
spectator was in sword shield at least
didn’t watch competitive before that but I think it also existed then
scarlet violet skipped a lottttt of features old games had
rare pumice
pokemon champions may be the first time my friends start battling in an official pokemon game again in like 7 years
next stump
hell yeah, that’s the hope for a lot of people to get into the game
rare pumice
i think i just got my first ever major bug in violet
foggy lodge
scarlet violet skipped a lottttt of features old games had
I think uts one of the reason we just have our own game now
next stump
100% agree
foggy lodge
Like the mainline games were just cutting features that improved the competitive aspect and competitive and main series games were not compatible anymore
next stump
I hope they build a recording feature into Champions eventually
rare pumice
i just hope that champions stays on top of the competitive scene for the long haul, i don't want to see it being like, left in the dust every time a new generation comes out or something
next stump
I get that they’re probably behind on launch and need to get the game out but a competitive game needs a way to save replays
foggy lodge
Even Unite saves replays
Its one of the best features for any game and old games had it I hope they reconsider it and add it later
If the game doesn't have replays we are gonna force it
ocean pawn
i have a capture card so not a big deal for me
but i would be nice for when im not home
sudden remnant
Even Unite saves replays
unite mentioned
next stump
You record every game you play? Good on you if you do but that’s a pretty unrealistic thing to do for most people
rustic mountain
I hope they build a recording feature into Champions eventually
id love it but the fact they dont hav it off rip? 
near crag
What's the idea on tera poison pao instead of ghost?
sudden remnant
i wonder if theyll continually do visual updates to champions as newer games come out
next stump
What's the idea on tera poison pao instead of ghost?
resist fairy, usually see it on bulkier sets
fighting resist also
rustic mountain
i wonder if theyll continually do visual updates to champions as newer games com...
they better, winds and waves looks way better
chrome knot
doing literally nothing🔥🔥
sudden remnant
doing literally nothing🔥🔥
take advantage of moves lowered pp in champions
spite, willowisp, strength sap, cursed body ability
chrome knot
taunt…..
sudden remnant
and probably just night shade for damage its offensive stats arent great
and 60/100/100 with an eviolite
foggy lodge
and 60/100/100 with an eviolite
Dusclops better
sudden remnant
Dusclops better
which has 0 relevance to what i wanted it for but thank you for your input 😑
gentle cragBOT
which has 0 relevance to what i wanted it for but thank you for your input 😑
naganohara_vexae has given 1 Gen Rep to maxihd
sudden remnant
shush ditto
bold geode
I forgot this guy even existed until today
sudden remnant
it died cuz people kept polluting the oceans 😔
foggy lodge
which has 0 relevance to what i wanted it for but thank you for your input 😑
you always want some super obscure never used mon for a one time ladder gimmick😭
sudden remnant
your point being
bold geode
you always want some super obscure never used mon for a one time ladder gimmick�...
Don't shit on my Tera Ghost Scarf Infernape for Reg G
sudden remnant
see he gets it
solid frigate
you always want some super obscure never used mon for a one time ladder gimmick�...
Basically Nova but literally frequent lol
foggy lodge
Does Gorsola get TR
If it gets TR i can see it being budget dusclops if dusclops is not allowed
sudden remnant
i dont want it for that bro
i want it to abuse the lowered move pps in champions 🙂
foggy lodge
It does not get TR ggs Gorsola
sudden remnant
cursed body spite with good natural bulk and an eviolite
sudden remnant
Basically Nova but literally frequent lol
i aspire to be like nova
tiny karmaBOT
foggy lodge
And the optimal ability is also pressure
foggy lodge
On the 30 more points in defense
sudden remnant
does it learn spite
foggy lodge
And in the end is more because eviolite scales more due to higher defenses
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
yes
foggy lodge
Yes
sudden remnant
does it have a recovery move
bold geode
Alright I gotta clean, you cretins better behave
sudden remnant
with base 40 hp pain split would probably work
dull ibex
Alright I gotta clean, you cretins better behave
You can't make me
bold geode
I was finna tell you to think before sending that message but I forgot you don't do that
sudden remnant
ouch
dull ibex
How do you get your name upside down
bold geode
I actually don't even remember 
dull ibex
I'll Google it
bold geode
I think there's a generator
foggy lodge
It stresses me that Dusclops has more atk than sp atk
It doesn't use either but like why
sudden remnant
id probably just run night shade for damage anyways
foggy lodge
Move 10 attack points into HP🤠
dull ibex
Hell yes
bold geode
I saw that update in real time that was actually so ass
dull ibex
😂
rare pumice
i have given up on my expanding force mega delphox dellusions
gentle cragBOT
Did I tell you about the Lunchly 6 7 thing?
dollarmonke has given 1 Gen Rep to redstonejesus
dull ibex
Did I tell you about the Lunchly 6 7 thing?
No
bold geode
So for context when I'm grabbing items for orders it'll give me a count of how many I have grabbed vs the total # of items right
So for example it'll be like 2/3 items picked right
solid frigate
Did I tell you about the Lunchly 6 7 thing?
That already sound concerning
bold geode
The other day I grabbed some fucking Lunchlys and I saw that number go to 6/7 and I genuinely felt myself get lobotomized that very fucking second
dull ibex
bold geode
Like irl I felt like the edging your aneurysm meme
dull ibex
My baby brother does 67
bold geode
You should execute your baby brother
dull ibex
True
solid frigate
The other day I grabbed some fucking Lunchlys and I saw that number go to 6/7 an...
Why would you even pick up that
bold geode
ITS NOT MY FAULT SOMEONE ORDERED LUNCHLYS OK
dull ibex
It's his job? Lol
bold geode
Not my fault someone's fuck ass kid said "hey I want the overpriced bullshit Mr Beast Lunchable" like I had to 
dull ibex
This is a real lunchables house
solid frigate
That kid is not surviving Natural Selection
bold geode
Honestly I've had a Lunchly
They do almost compare to Lunchables but the price is fucking absurd
dull ibex
They're overpriced to hell yeah
bold geode
Like at my store they're essentially 5-6 bucks when the most expensive Lunchables is 4-5
foggy lodge
Not my fault someone's fuck ass kid said "hey I want the overpriced bullshit Mr ...
Does mr beast sell actual stuff
sudden remnant
i have given up on my expanding force mega delphox dellusions
it has levitate youd need a lot of setup for it to work
bold geode
Does mr beast sell actual stuff
Brother have you never seen a fucking Feastables bar?
Hell actually NOT EVEN THAT
HE SELLS PRIME
bold geode
Or actually
@dull ibex is Mr beast part of Prime?
rare pumice
it has levitate youd need a lot of setup for it to work
that was what i was planning but it was but a dream
bold geode
Im from fucking Chile
You cannot tell me they don't have Feastables in Chile
foggy lodge
I actually remember seeing his chocolates one time at a store
dull ibex
Or actually
<@372191031044866051> is Mr beast part of Prime?
I'm not sure
foggy lodge
But it was so overpriced no one bought them and I think next time I went they didn't have them anymore
Maybe they were not succesful here LOL
solid frigate
Literally my younger brother have a prime(that f**king Logan Paul Drink) collection addiction for 4 months and then call it quits
bold geode
Well basically know that at first they were dogshit with the plant based stuff
And then somewhere between when they started making Lunchly and when they started Feastables they changed the recipe to be more aligned with other chocolates right
Cuz I'm being so fucking fr when I had a Feastables inside of a Lunchly I thought they legitimately wrapped a fucking Crunch bar in one of their wrappers
solid frigate
Ngl I would believe that
Btw You literally can’t trust YouTubers making food merch from what I can see
bold geode
But yeah
Honestly it's absurd that he still has a career but in this day and age how surprised am I really that shitty people have careers
bold geode
Btw You literally can’t trust YouTubers making food merch from what I can see
There's some you can trust iirc
solid frigate
There's some you can trust iirc
Yeah there are some I think
But those YouTubers are also really loved by general public
Ngl the only reason why they still get the income is that people are genuinely stupid for even buying their merch that is half baked or over fucking priced
bold geode
But yeah I hate MrBeast cuz he uses his fame to fuckin bait children into buying his dumbass products that are overpriced bullshit that are literally worse than cheaper stuff and makes claims about said stuff that isn't true
solid frigate
But yeah I hate MrBeast cuz he uses his fame to fuckin bait children into buying...
That’s basically Modern content creators
And I really hate it
The whole Lunchly and Prime incident is the big example
bold geode
Like I remember when he first started Feastables or whatever back in that period
It was just like genuine dude making a product for his fans and shit was genuine
But dude really got wrapped up in greed and now it's just so fuckin predatory honestly
solid frigate
Like I remember when he first started Feastables or whatever back in that period...
I think I did try the chocolate before and it wasn’t bad at all
bold geode
I didn't like them but like
Dude still had some genuine sentiment
And now it's all about the money and the views even though he's probably one of if not the richest creator on the fucking planet
solid frigate
At least they tried to make it feel genuine to the public
Also who had the great idea to collab with Logan Paul and KSI
KSI I’ll close both my eyes for that
But Logan Paul??? The guy who basically try to make a monopoly over Pokémon cards-
bold geode
Nah actually I think I'm at a point where I hate Logan Paul more than Jake Paul
solid frigate
Nah actually I think I'm at a point where I hate Logan Paul more than Jake Paul
Honestly
Why not fucking both. They are both equally worse
WHO HAD A GREAT IDEA TO SHARE PIECES OF FUCKING PSA 10 CARDS
bold geode
No I hate them both but like
At least Jake Paul is always just
Like you always know that guy is a fucking douchebag
With Logan there's like a few times where it's like "ok he's changing maybe he's not a douchebag" and then he does some shit and it's like "nah he a dick"
solid frigate
With Logan there's like a few times where it's like "ok he's changing maybe he's...
Bro has more fake outs than Incineroar and Rillaboom’s whole career
That sharing Pieces of Pokémon card tipped my patience over this shit
And you seen that post where he said Gengar is busted and uses outdated shit
I doubt it wasnt AI
sudden remnant
😨
dapper crag
That’s nice
sudden remnant
nooooooo 😭
foggy lodge
No more reconsidering "does rock resist poison"
dense latch
rockpon flashbacks
sudden remnant
theres literally a feature in the chat bar where you can check specific weaknesses
dense latch
that's probably the interaction i forget the most
foggy lodge
Also rock resists fire
dense latch
theres literally a feature in the chat bar where you can check specific weakness...
yea but that's too much time
foggy lodge
that's probably the interaction i forget the most
True
dense latch
i forget if fighting resists rock or not sometimes
foggy lodge
Rock type chart is kind of cursed if you don't memorize it
It resist rock and fire and it does not resist ice
tiny karmaBOT
dense latch
rockpon being neutral to ice would be pretty fun
dapper crag
One small thing I like about Champions is that it indicates 4x weakness and resists separately
sudden remnant
does not resist itself
dapper crag
Home does too
foggy lodge
genuinely forgot that rock resists flying rn what
dapper crag
Bird hits rock it just breaks itself
dense latch
i remember watching one of those type chart explained videos and that helped a lot
foggy lodge
Yeah
sudden remnant
i mean a window is melted sand and they smack into windows all the time
maybe that has something to do with it
dapper crag
Exactly
foggy lodge
Apparently rock was SE against flying cuz its a reference to throwing rocks at birds??? Idk if it makes sense but i reember it because of that
dense latch
rocks hurt birds
sudden remnant
its in reference to the saying killing two birds with one stone
sudden remnant
i mean a window is melted sand and they smack into windows all the time
and i think rock resisting it in return has something to do with glass
rare pumice
was friend guard maushold popular at one point in gen 9 vgc?
next stump
Yes
dapper crag
Population Bomb is one of the most evil moves ever made
solid frigate
Now it shows the effectiveness of moves
Probably a good thing cuz there are still a lot people who can’t see Type matchups
rare pumice
wasn't one of the first things we learned about champions that it now has bonus text if a move is 4 times effective
dapper crag
why does that mouse exist
To procreate
And to make everything in its path dead, broken, or pregnant
dapper crag
wasn't one of the first things we learned about champions that it now has bonus ...
Yeah. 4x weakness is “Extremely effective”, 4x resist is “Mostly ineffective”
rare pumice
idk why but like, the two biggest hurdles for getting into competitive pokemon for me when i was 15 was the 4x effectiveness thing, and the difference between physical attack and special attack
foggy lodge
I remember in school a kid tried to convince me that x4 weaknesses were 6x weanesses
dapper crag
Apparently in PLA quad weaknesses are 2.5x damage and quad resists are 0.4x damage. I never knew this
foggy lodge
That kid became the PLA director maybe
dapper crag
Honestly, what an awful battle system
foggy lodge
Fr
dapper crag
What have they done to my showdown
Indicated that if you hit that Throat Chop then Calyrex is just dead
rare pumice
does fake out override follow me or does follow me redirect fake out
foggy lodge
Fake out is +3 priority and follow me is +2
rare pumice
and helping hand is plike +6 or something isn't it
jade dust
What mega will be the worst in champions and why will it be Zygarde
hollow latch
mega mind guy could be one of the worst guy
ability gotta be trick room on entry to be good lol
jade dust
ability gotta be trick room on entry to be good lol
Debatable lmao
Wtf are these stats
The issue is you are forced to play with this
hollow latch
ye its bad and takes a legendary spot so ye but malware (idk the name in english got a bad typ and bad stats too
jade dust
The biggest issue is the speed. It’s not fast enough to compete with fast teams and not slow enough to be used in truck room
hollow latch
U die to 2 uturn lol
jade dust
Complete form is 85 speed which isn’t better
It’s still that terrible middle speed tier
hollow latch
The biggest issue is the speed. It’s not fast enough to compete with fast teams ...
ye and a good player will play around his mega or ability and try to kill with 1 move. so ye the trade off for being a mega is bad when u are not flexible when to mega
jade dust
Would be hard enough if was a regular Pokemon but this is a restricted legendary
Which makes it much worse
And there are actually good ice types now that can OHKO it
Chein Pao and caly ice
An icy wind from iron bundle would OHKO
Lmao
molten oasis
The issue is you are forced to play with this
Then you’re forced to play with this
tiny karmaBOT
molten oasis
So for some amount of turns, you’re a shit restricted
jade dust
I mean you can mega right the turn it transforms I believe
That’s how it works in ZA
You can lose half HP and immediately transforms and you can press mega at that moment
But still even if you get to press mega
molten oasis
Still sucks
rare pumice
i'll be real disappointed if togekiss doesn't make it into champions
hollow latch
Togekiss would be funny tho
Btw was thinking using the grass starter mega in rain (still unsure how weather ball will work under rain) or mega dragonite
dragonite syngery very well with arch (typ) but the grass start just clicking solar beam and fairy typ idk
What do u guy think would be a good mega
versed river
Btw was thinking using the grass starter mega in rain (still unsure how weather ...
meganium?
versed river
What do u guy think would be a good mega
if m-a is z-a dex i think feraligatr will be good
hollow latch
meganium?
ye heard about someone mention it and thought they typing would benefit it and plus rain helps out with fire typs but dragonnite seems the better choice for me to click hurrican
versed river
they do different things
sudden remnant
lost sun
i could see meganium being usable in rain teams if mega sol does ignore the rain so fire weatherball does full damage
versed river
i could see meganium being usable in rain teams if mega sol does ignore the rain...
it should
chrome knot
krook isn’t good in a today format
grim storm
Damn, I love him
warm estuary
Rip krookodile
Such a good mon
And also super cool
Anyways guys today I’m playing my first ever draft Leauge
Very excited
chrome knot
draft mega lop yaay
warm estuary
Actually i’m drafting not playing
warm estuary
draft mega lop yaay
Unfortunately not in scarlet and violet
I only did my first pick
chrome knot
these were my jons in my last draft league
we didn’t update k/d but i went 6-1 in reg season
warm estuary
these were my jons in my last draft league
Tapu lele my beloved
warm estuary
we didn’t update k/d but i went 6-1 in reg season
Yoooo good job
Suppose you went to playoffs
chrome knot
yeah which we forgor to finish lol it was in a friend group of vgc players
we dropped it to prep a regional but forgot to come back to it
warm estuary
Oh lmao
This one I’m in is a scarlet and violet Leauge
With Ubers
I don’t have a plan
I’m cooked
chrome knot
uhhhh start with ur ubers choices
then find mons that has synergy with it & then mons that counter its counters
warm estuary
uhhhh start with ur ubers choices
I picked my first
warm estuary
then find mons that has synergy with it & then mons that counter its counters
Aight thanks thank
gentle cragBOT
Aight thanks thank
oio_314 has given 1 Gen Rep to setsumizi
grim storm
How do I start getting into competitive and figuring out what mons are good to use
I’ve never played comp and want to get into it
I definitely want to use mega froslass or just have a snow team
lost sun
How do I start getting into competitive and figuring out what mons are good to u...
websites like munchstats show the usage rate of Pokémon in a specific reg
and other stuff like the most used moves/teammates/items/ev spread and tera
bold geode
these were my jons in my last draft league
bold geode
@chrome knot the item count is 0/67 
grim storm
Is Victrebel good?
bold geode
Meh
Base no and we don't know the ability of the mega yet but I highly doubt it will be good
grim storm
Maybe Harvest?
chrome knot
for what
bold geode
Harvest is not it
chrome knot
it holds a mega stone lol
bold geode
You can't use Harvest without a berry
bold geode
Emma I told you to say no to substances
grim storm
What if he gets like Adaptability
bold geode
Actually I like Wooloo
bold geode
What if he gets like Adaptability
Victreebel probably keeps Chlorophyll tbh
chrome knot
Emma I told you to say no to substances
bold geode
Why does Wooloo have the wings of Satan
chrome knot
bc im evil
grim storm
That’s 🆒
grim storm
Damn I can’t send images
dapper crag
Is Victrebel good?
The mega? Hell no
waxen dock
warm estuary
Lowk W outfit
versed river
Maybe Harvest?
dude 😭
every turn theres a 50% chance victreebel can mega again it does nothing but it plays a cool animation!
rare pumice
i'm thinking corrosive is the most realistic expectation for victreebel
like it's not too pessimistic, not too optimistic, and it makes sense i guess
versed river
i could see them giving it merciless too
rare pumice
merciless would be kind of crazy but i think it would be too out of the way to utilize the ability if that makes sense
versed river
yeahh
rare pumice
like the only option i would think is having a dedicated toxic spikes user
versed river
oh apparantly in japanese merciless is a pun about starfish so thats not happening
rare pumice
aww
versed river
like the only option i would think is having a dedicated toxic spikes user
even still steel, flying and levitating pokemon would be immune and poison types would remove the spikes on entry
rare pumice
i think mega victreebell's biggest problem is just giving up the option to hold an item while also losing chlorophyll most likely
versed river
it keeping chlorophyll would also not save it
it needs something like 50% speed 50% offensive stat in sun which isnt happening because its focusing on the poison aspect
also the main sun setter is a mega lmao
rare pumice
idk if this makes total sense, but i sort of feel like when it comes to choosing a mega, choosing a reactionary mega is sort of detrimental since you want one that's going to be leading the battle instead of following somebody elses pace, and victreebel feels solely like a reactionary mega
versed river
yeahh
rare pumice
like mega kangaskhan, salamence, and metagross all are at the top because they have a great ability pre-mega, and then lead the stage after mega evolving
and mawile fits that category too i think
versed river
i mean mons like manectric mega HAVE seen results manectric got top 2 at worlds but thats like a niche option and they usually have 2 megas on the team in that case
rare pumice
if charizard had like a more supportive hidden ability than solar power that helped it before it mega'd, then that'd probably have boosted it to a top cut mega i think
versed river
you talking about zardy or zardx? because both have top cutted tours
rare pumice
yea but like i don't think they've been top 3 mega in the past
i meant like, if they had an ability that worked for them before mega evolving, i think that would've pushed them up to that point
i still think they're like top 5 or top 10 at the most
versed river
i meant like, if they had an ability that worked for them before mega evolving, ...
meh not necessarily
unless it got some shit like special intimidate
rare pumice
yea i suppose so
sharp cobalt
Think we'll get more pokemon champions details?
rare pumice
maybe there'll be a day 1 release trailer or something, but other than any announcements on tournaments, the first season of ranked, or anything like that, i wouldn't think so
chrome knot
Think we'll get more pokemon champions details?
no the game comes out in a week brah
sharp cobalt
I just wanna kno the mega abilitiesss
Give me mega Victreebel pls
Oh reg Victreebel is innn
rare pumice
i think it's gonna need a really good ability, i'm hoping it gets one
chrome knot
play the game on release
sharp cobalt
i think it's gonna need a really good ability, i'm hoping it gets one
I do not care, I will tailwind that bouncing bag of blubber
Cuz funny
rare pumice
if it keeps chlorophyll at least that won't be necessary
sharp cobalt
Tru... then SpA wiill be superior
sharp cobalt
Sludge Wave, Solar Beam, Weather Ball. 135 base SpA is okay I guess
With... passable bulk? Not in this day and age tho
Still, big funny
rare pumice
i would say using its sp.atk is the better option, it'll need that burst damage in order to make an impact, with its stat distribution and typing i'd say that setup is a dangerous route to take for it, in vgc at least
sharp cobalt
Im ngl, with the dex entry, I half suspect a poison moves work on steel t ypes ability, but not corrosion
rare pumice
i would like that but idk how they would justify megas getting new moves like that if they weren't introduced in z-a
chrome knot
HELLO AGAIN EMMA
i wanna die
bold geode
i wanna die
Nuh Uh
sharp cobalt
Not a new move, something like 'corrosive acid: this pokemons poison attacks hit s teel types for super effective damage'
chrome knot
stuck at work with a migraine, only kitchen worker en
dapper crag
Not a new move, something like 'corrosive acid: this pokemons poison attacks hit...
So basically buffing Corrosion
sharp cobalt
So basically buffing Corrosion
Mhmm. Im just going off dex entry rn tho. COuld be smth completely different, maybe it wont even make it into the game
bold geode
stuck at work with a migraine, only kitchen worker en
You know what you should do
I want you to make me a Krabby Patty
rare pumice
maybe they just give it corrosion but then give it that buff too, it would make salazzle and glimmora more interesting i think
sharp cobalt
Glimm is in as well, wanna use that mega too
Honestly I am fully assuming they'll put all new megas in at some point
rare pumice
toxic debris glimmora could be an interesting mega i guess, it definitely makes it more interesting on whether or not you'll mega it and when
rare pumice
i think mega falinks has real potential
defiant to deter or take advantage of intimidate pre mega, then no retreat for am omni boost, i feel like that mega could really do some stuff afterwards
even if the ability it gets is like hyper cutter or clear body, i think that'd be great
sharp cobalt
i think mega falinks has real potential
I've got a shalpha actually 😮
I just wanna tinker with the lesser used megas, or the ones that don't seem as good cuz yolo
rare pumice
if falinks gets a few more good moves i think it'll really take off then
bold geode
Plz don't say that Emma
chrome knot
Plz don't say that Emma
whatda
craggy dagger
chrome knot
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rare pumice
does coaching increase the users attack and speed too or just the allies
chrome knot
just attack & defence on ally
rare pumice
thank you
it's kind of a shame blazikens has no decent physical fire alternative to flare blitz
wild stream
is wg doodle grafaia a concern in doubles in a theoretical unrestricted format?
i think fake out helps, and eq is prob common enough
rare pumice
can doodle be used on an ally or does it only copy opponent abilities
solid frigate
light jungle
Tbh with Pokemon champions coming out soon i want to actually get into competitive Pokemon and its making me realize that its kinda tedious and expensive lowkey
Like i got every Pokemon game ds era wise to now but i have no Pokemon bank and the eshop is down and i never bought the sv dlc so no litten for me and im realizing how i deadass just don’t have access to certain Pokemon because of the games ive bought lmao, I want to use oranguru and i literally bought both switch games were it isn’t available to that version like damn
cyan smelt
Do you play pokemon go? You can just transfer mons from there
light jungle
No i really don’t play it never gotten into it, seems like the best option now though
rare pumice
there are probably people around who'd just help get you some pokemon in your copy of violet or scarlet if you looked long enough
cyan smelt
Check giveaways because breeders do giveaways of breedjects too
rare pumice
like i could probably help you get a litten right now if you wanted
light jungle
Wait fr? That would be great
rare pumice
yea
you'd have to find your own ability patch, and ivs/evs won't matter since champions won't include those
if you have a mirror herb you can get it what ever egg moves you want too
light jungle
Is this sv or swsh?
rare pumice
sv
i could try to get an ability patch myself so it can have intimidate but that might take a fe days if i tried
light jungle
Its fine ill do everything myself, and tbh i might have those items just lying around because i really didnt think much about comp till now
My game need to update btw
rare pumice
i'll go look for a litten then
i just realized i could get you an oranguru too if you want
rare pumice
My game need to update btw
i have an oranguru and litten for you now if you want
light jungle
Im so sorry for wasting your time i just realized i dont got Nintendo online anymore
rare pumice
well i guess if you ever get it back i'll still be in the server
sharp cobalt
Check giveaways because breeders do giveaways of breedjects too
Let us enjoy mega Glimmmm
cyan smelt
I am not tapped in with new megas
rare pumice
i think mega scrafty might be interesting