competitive_discussion

[next stump]

No tera Champions revealed pokemon tournament

pretty cool

[solid frigate]

Noice

Also it’s seems they count eternal floette just a normal Pokémon

[bold geode]

2019
Sun and Moon restricted

[solid frigate]

Also sinistcha might be at least be common now that Amoonguss wasn’t in the roster for now

[bold geode]

Funny thing is the roster isn't even 100% confirmed

[dapper crag]

Let’s see how quickly further official reveals ruin this

Let’s be real probably won’t

[solid frigate]

Tbh I wouldn’t be Suprised if Amoonguss,Indeedee and Rilla made into the first format

[dapper crag]

Involves them giving actual news

[solid frigate]

Cuz like

[bold geode]

Nah

Rillaboom ain't making it

Idt Rillaboom is making it

[dapper crag]

I think Rillaboom has a chance since it’s a starter

[bold geode]

Eh maybe idk
Idt it's there off rip

[dapper crag]

Or they’ll wait for a Dynamax focused season who fucking knows (or cares about max)

[bold geode]

I think it's less likely

[solid frigate]

I think it’s moreso its place has been dropped recently

Sure it’s non 0 chance

[bold geode]

The more they delay Dynamax the better

Horrible ass gimmick

[dapper crag]

Or forget it exists

[solid frigate]

I really don’t want to just get max airstream’d all over the place

[dapper crag]

It’s inevitably showing up it’s just such a shitty, unbalanced, and one note gimmick

I like the giga form designs though

[rustic mountain]

did u play dmax?

[dapper crag]

Me? I played a lot of SwSh but not much comp in general

[rustic mountain]

dmax isnt that bad lol

do i prefer we dont get it anytime soon? sure but its not that bad

[bold geode]

Nah it enabled too much

[rustic mountain]

?

[bold geode]

Enabled bullshit that you wouldn't see outside of Dynamax

Like why is hitting your own Pokemon a solid strategy

[rustic mountain]

haha weakness policy is 1 example how is that enabling too much

[dapper crag]

Yeah that’s a bold strategy Cotton

Beat Up Justified too

[next stump]

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X · Mar 16, 2026, 3:41 PM

[bold geode]

Yeah but when it's on a good amount of Pokemon

[next stump]

TLDR:

Winning an offseason local (June-August) gives you a Pokémon Champions themed notebook

Winning a local during the season gets you an acrylic trophy + “digital rewards”

No way they’d do this but it would be sick to have pokemon titles be a little more expansive, imagine using like Chien-Pao The Local Champion hahaha

[rustic mountain]

wouldnt mind that

[bold geode]

Like I mean I didn't play but I've done research and I can't even count how many times "x with weakness policy was used" was something I heard or read or saw

Not to mention like
G Max Wildfire and G Max Vine Lash

[rustic mountain]

it was around, it wasnt that common

[bold geode]

Like wtf are those moves

[rustic mountain]

yea those r broken thats not dmax tho

[bold geode]

Yeah but it was in a Dynamax format

[dapper crag]

Also how are the four gimmicks being worked around each other?

[bold geode]

And like
Why are you doing good damage AND chipping down THAT MUCH HEALTH per turn

[rustic mountain]

thats more like hey y did they decide to give venu nd zard broken moves vs dmax as a gimmick itself

[foggy lodge]

I'll have to tryhard locals

[bold geode]

They still contributed

People do talk about Kwame Brown making 2 points the night Kobe made 81

[rustic mountain]

theres no way thats an apt comparison for u lol

[dapper crag]

I’m just fearing G-Max Venusaur or Charizard shifting into mega immediately after

[rustic mountain]

i think dmax is overhated

[dapper crag]

Or will there be a mechanic in place preventing dynamax or tera while holding a mega stone or Z crystal?

[molten oasis]

I have to accept Dynamax cuz it’s the only format my dog is meta lol

[dapper crag]

What dog? Zacian?

[molten oasis]

Yeah zacian

[dapper crag]

It can take advantage of the thing it can’t do that just about everyone else can

I can’t wait to see the return of Ultra Necrozma some point EventuallyTM

I’m just curious how often we’re getting new mons and how many

If it’s like 50 mons per month we’ll have full natdex in about a year, hopefully Champions has full natdex by the time WW is out

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

So excited to play Rinya sun with flutter mane bro

And raging bolt

[gentle crag]

drayagedrago has given 1 Gen Rep to treeco.

[molten oasis]

What

[rustic mountain]

[sudden remnant]

to play what sun with flutter and demon bolt?

[molten oasis]

Yep

[sudden remnant]

i was asking what the hell Rinya sun was

[dense latch]

one of the best teams to come out of vgc 2022

groudon zacian charizard gastrodon and two others i cant remember rn

grimm incin

[shadow wind]

Groudon 🥰🥰🥰

Guys do you know how hard it is to not bring up Groudon when I’m having a normal conversation with people

[sudden remnant]

zacian mentioned

[shadow wind]

He’s like a symbiote

[sudden remnant]

i dont talk about mawile every second of every day so it cant be too hard

[shadow wind]

Right except some days I see Groudon more than my family

[foggy lodge]

Conner

This is the Groudon meta

[shadow wind]

Yea?

[sudden remnant]

insane sentence btw

[shadow wind]

Groudon renaissance

Like donkey kong in melee

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/ball-knower-meme-bro-knows-ball-ball-gif-17027802866392353851

[dense latch]

any mention of sun or a drought in a normal conversation and boom neuron activation

[shadow wind]

Literally

I was carpooling yesterday for like an hour and this girl brought up the sun or something and I had to hold it in

[sudden remnant]

the first mon i think of in sun is walking wake 😁

[dense latch]

econ has me studying corporate social responsibility aka CSR

https://tenor.com/view/100-yard-stare-1000-yard-stare-stare-staring-staring-meme-gif-18404030142962634873

[shadow wind]

And I talk a lot when I’m in the car with people so the brain goes off and he’s always ready to be spoken about

[sudden remnant]

what if they start yapping about groudon with you would that be like your soulmate or smthn

[dense latch]

anytime there's way too much sun outside im blaming groudon now

[shadow wind]

I’d be on one knee in a heartbeat

[sudden remnant]

you must be kyogre then lmao

[shadow wind]

But girls don’t even know who Groudon is so it isn’t gonna happen

And you cannot be mentioning Pokémon around the girls

Instant vibe killer

[sudden remnant]

then they aint the one

if my girl dont fw pokemon it aint gonna work

unless she plays league then i can forgive the pokemon part

i need SOMETHING to yap about

[shadow wind]

I do enough other things that if my girl doesn’t like Pokémon it’s fine

Big hobby kinda guy

[foggy lodge]

https://victoryroad.pro/2026/01/15/kevin-han-worlds/

Groudon so good it alone beats this CIR Miraidon team

[sudden remnant]

i play pokemon, league, valorant, and hsr. im cooked.

[shadow wind]

Y’all mess with pickleball?

Man I love pickleball

[sudden remnant]

until tera flying mirai becomes the new meta

[shadow wind]

Erik you seem like a pickleball kinda guy

[foggy lodge]

Depends on the type of people around

[bold geode]

You have a based econ class

[shadow wind]

Dude I live in a small town of 2500 people

There’s 1 type of person there😭

My grad class had 120 kids in it

[foggy lodge]

Maybe its just Canada

[shadow wind]

And I know 0% of them knows mons like me

[shadow wind]

I’m pretty north so yeah

[foggy lodge]

All of my friends have some type of "weird" interest

So for me Pokémon is one of the most mainstream interests

[shadow wind]

I’m like 20 minutes out from a very small city with 70k people

I don’t even know if it’s considered a city

There’s loads of tiny towns with sub 5k people strewn about

[sudden remnant]

not alot of people out here fw Pokemon either

which is odd cuz i have 3 card shops around me

[dense latch]

how should i take this

i dont really have any thoughts on pickleball

ppl here play more padel

[shadow wind]

Padel?

[sudden remnant]

[dense latch]

it's like pickleball but closed

[shadow wind]

Maybe pickleball is big here because it’s the only “easy” summer sport

[dense latch]

i guess

[shadow wind]

Everyone has a winter sport but then summer comes around and there’s no easy sports to pick up

[shadow wind]

Interesting

Pickleball is fire though I gotta say

Big fan of playing sports

Sports gotta be like a top 5 human creation

Except the 400m sprint in track

That’s a bottom 5 human creation

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/bwentyVGC/status/2033652266331218057?s=20

bwenty (@bwentyVGC)

Champions isn’t even in development hell, it’s just stuck in development purgatory at this point

X · Mar 16, 2026, 9:10 PM

Its over champbros

[next stump]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rainbow-depression-mental-health-depressed-gif-27200388

[sudden remnant]

what am i reading

[dense latch]

if my local special event is in reg i im gonna be so pissed

[foggy lodge]

VRs are better than regionals anyways,,,

[sudden remnant]

this guy on X has their username as mutterflane lmao

[shadow wind]

Use Groudon

[sudden remnant]

how does groudon zac work doesnt groudons sun make zacian squishier

or did they run special evs to accommodate this

[shadow wind]

Water tera

If you meant in Gen 8 though Zacian was just the goat

[sudden remnant]

i know

gen 8 zacian was prime king von

https://tenor.com/view/fahhh-fah-skeleton-vonoffe-meme-gif-17918076419074819351

[solid frigate]

Gen 8 is basically just
Zacian is top dog

Groudon somewhat synergise with it by it can hit Incin and in Dynamax state could give Zacian Sp-Def Boost iirc with Max Quake

[solid frigate]

Yeah Groudon is basically a supportive restricted but could do damage like Lunala

[sudden remnant]

rip

[solid frigate]

Max Quake depends on Base power of the move

[sudden remnant]

i know how max moves work

[solid frigate]

So 120 BP Precipice Blades convert into Max Moves is gonna hurt-

[shadow wind]

Disrespect is crazy

Guy was the Incin answer

[solid frigate]

I literally said the Incin thing above

[molten oasis]

Fairy ground coverage is broken

[sudden remnant]

whoever designed our new catering boxes needs to be arrested bro

ts is ass

[molten oasis]

Huh?

[sudden remnant]

im at work

and we got new catering boxes for one of our catering items

and the box is fucking stupid

[molten oasis]

Oof

[shadow wind]

L dentist visit

Took 10 minutes

They so could’ve done that last time I was in

@foggy lodge when you got your wisdom teeth out how long were you out of commission?

[foggy lodge]

5 days

Did you already have them removed

[shadow wind]

Nah next Tuesday

Then I have volleyball on Thursday

But since I’m the goat I bet I’ll be fine by then

But that is why I was wondering the recovery time

[molten oasis]

My wisdom teeth took me out for a week but they barely ached

[foggy lodge]

Take that time dude you'll need it trust LOL

[shadow wind]

I’ll thug it out trust

I’m the goat

[foggy lodge]

This was my face after I got my wisdom teeth out

[shadow wind]

Yeah I'm not excited for the photos that will come from this

[molten oasis]

I got spared lol

[shadow wind]

My sisters face got super swollen when she got hers out

[dapper crag]

I’m actively trying to avoid getting mine out if possible. I turn 23 in about 4 months so we’ll see

[bold geode]

Me rn

Mine didn't swell but I felt that shit

[dense latch]

mine have been showing for 4 or 5 years and i still havent taken them out 😭

[dense latch]

only one is crooked tho the rest just look like regular teeth

[bold geode]

Can't they like fuck you up if you don't get em out

[foggy lodge]

Tbh my whole dental attention is free so

[dapper crag]

It hasn’t been that long for me. My dentist wants me to get them taken out because of how they’re tilted but they aren’t causing any problems

[bold geode]

I love this

[molten oasis]

Depends

If you have the room for them you don’t need to take them out, you usually determine that in an appointment

[bold geode]

I didn't have room

[dapper crag]

Can’t they correct on their own too?

[dense latch]

my uncle and cousin are dentists they havent told me it’s like urgent or anything

not that bothersome for me either

[molten oasis]

I didn’t either

[dense latch]

but i’ll probably get them removed eventually

[dapper crag]

I’m only doing it if it’s absolutely necessary

I also have basically zero dental history besides braces. I don’t even use fluoridated toothpaste anymore

[bold geode]

https://x.com/i/status/2033672053640028385

GameStop (@gamestop)

A Statement from GameStop

X · Mar 16, 2026, 10:29 PM

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

[dense latch]

wii u and retro in the same sentence 💔

[dapper crag]

I feel so old

[foggy lodge]

noooo what how could they say they are retro (i'm younger than the xbox 360)

Breath of the wild is pushing 10 years old

[dapper crag]

I was in elementary school when Xbox 360 was the latest console. Too bad it was all downhill for Xbox after

I remember the red ring, I was like 6 or 7

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/dc020f974b2b3a55 made my own version of the worlds winning team from last year

[foggy lodge]

How good can this thing be

[rustic mountain]

reg i ladder is a lot more worn in then i wouldve expected at this point

[solid frigate]

I mean it’s the second best Water Spout user so there’s that

[molten oasis]

Wdym?

[rustic mountain]

has it been on sd this whole time? i feel like i didnt realize it was there lmao its at 1700s atm for high ladder

[foggy lodge]

Yeah bo1 has been there since the in game ladder was reg i

Bo3 is at 1500 rn i think people are addicted to it

[rustic mountain]

ahhh ok yea i guess i was too locked in to reg f lmao

bit low then for bottom end top 500, only 1470s i think

[timber schooner]

Could someone help me with my team please

[dull ibex]

wdym worn in?

[sudden remnant]

we require a little more info about it to be able to help

[timber schooner]

Ok

[sudden remnant]

oh you’re that sceptile guy i remember you

[timber schooner]

I did end up find something that worked

https://pokepast.es/b6cbb9a0e95871af

[sudden remnant]

wheres the rest?

and um

what the dog scrafty doing

[timber schooner]

I meant to change it

[sudden remnant]

i fw the ice punch, but dont use it lmao

its funny but its use quite low

[shadow wind]

Where did you think I was getting top 20 then 😭

[rustic mountain]

brain fart moment

[waxen dock]

well how is that relevant?

its ofc after champion releases

[delicate hare]

crits are the worst mechanic in the game like genuienly

remove the 1/24 chance for crit and make hightened crit chance moves work diffrently and the game would be 10x more fun

[waxen dock]

it can balance things like dozo and setup

[delicate hare]

yes but u shouldnt just instantly lose a game because of a random lucky crit

guaranteed crit and hightened chance crit moves should still exist

but not the random 1/24 chance

[indigo coral]

Setup moves would be extremely overpowered if there was no random critical hit chance. It also adds additional variance to battles that can be both played for and played around. It's a neccesary balance tool that does its job exactly as it should, and is perfectly healthy to exist.

[delicate hare]

make crit only occur on a pokemon that has stat changes

and a competetive game shouldnt have a 1/24 chance to just insta win you the game

[indigo coral]

That is needlessly complex for a children's game. There is no reason to change a 30 year old mechanic that is perfectly acceptable as-is just because one person got tilted at not playing around a critical hit.

[delicate hare]

the entire competitive scene is too complex for a children's game so might aswell remove it entirely right?

doesnt really make sense

[indigo coral]

Sounds like you don't know what variance means. Variance is perfectly acceptable in competitive games, and ALSO top level players can play around critical hits. Complaining about variance is purely a skill issue.

[delicate hare]

a 1/24 chance is not "variance" its just dumb luck

hightened crit moves are acceptable variance

[indigo coral]

You do indeed not know what variance means then. You also refuse to acknowledge the multiple times I have mentioned that top level players can play around critical hits fairly easily. No point in engaging further as you are clearly uneducated on the topic being discussed and are just looking to complain. Have a great Saint Patrick's Day!

[waxen dock]

but some things really need a nerf

like csr and incin

while zacian needs a buff

it got 3 nerfs

[dapper crag]

Zacian needs a buff?!

[waxen dock]

while zama got 3 small nerfs

[waxen dock]

yes bro

[indigo coral]

I have a bit of a hot take on CSR and co. I think Home accessibility in Comp should not be allowed, and only mons in their respective game should be legal. For example, since Calyrex was unobtainable in ScVi, it should not have been legal in Comp in ScVi. Same with Urshifu being legal in Regulation D before The Indigo Disk came out.

Then again, it seems Comp is moving to Champions so that issue won't be a thing anymore in Gen 10.

[waxen dock]

one intimidate and its just another 150 attack mon

which isn't very high for a restricted

[dapper crag]

You’re saying they overnerfed it?

[waxen dock]

of course

the one time boost was too much

[indigo coral]

Zama got the same nerfs as Zacian. Zama just got access to Body Press, which is a move it should have always had to begin with and was useless in SwSh due to not having it. Zama is also better suited to ScVi's particular restricted meta

[foggy lodge]

Zacian is fine

[dapper crag]

I don’t think it’s a bad take in mainline games but I think Champions is meant to be used with Home

[foggy lodge]

At best they could give it back the 20 atk they took from gen 8

[waxen dock]

but they affected him less

[waxen dock]

have you seen zacian usage in reg i and g?

[foggy lodge]

Yes I've seen it

People just compare Zacian too much to the sw/sh form

People see the balanced version we have in SV and think oh is trash it's horrible its unusable as if Zacian didn't even have results

[waxen dock]

it just need a small buff

[indigo coral]

I would highly disagree. Unnerfed Zama would play COMPLETELY differently in ScVi to the current Nerfed Zama.

Zacian is also poorly positioned into ScVi's restricted meta, that has very little to do with the nerfs and very much to do with pokemon legality.

[waxen dock]

like give him +20 attack again

[indigo coral]

Zacian does not need a buff, what it needs is a better format that's not actively hostile to it with every team having multiple consistent answers

[waxen dock]

give him more speed and more attack

that will make him better

and also give him his old ability

[dapper crag]

AG in natdex again

Seeing Shedinja in natdex AG because of tera is fucking hilarious

[waxen dock]

bro

miraidon koraidon and csr are also in ag

so i guess they should also get nerfed

[dapper crag]

They are really overpowered that’s for sure

[molten oasis]

It’s Tera.

Tera hurts zacian more than helps it

[dapper crag]

Because it doesn’t want to lose one of its types?

[molten oasis]

Nope

So on paper zacian beats CIR, Miraidon, and Koraidon like pretty much everytime right?

And guess what all 3 have in common

[dapper crag]

What?

[stone trellis]

The ability to Tera and moves that hurt Zacian a lot more than it hurts them.

Tera Fire Koraidon especially, since it fucking tanks both of Zacian's STABs.

[stone trellis]

And it also has the strongest physical move in the game.

[molten oasis]

Miraidon is a lesser case, but yeah

[dapper crag]

Should be easy for Zacian to wipe Koraidon off the map. Getting a candle on its head really puts a wrench in things

[molten oasis]

You can still take on miraidon after it Tera’s HOWEVER Koraidon and CIR becomes losing mu’s really fast

[stone trellis]

Or it getting even one Flame Charge in.

[molten oasis]

There’s a reason it’s best buddy is generally kyogre

[dapper crag]

What about Calyrex Ice?

[molten oasis]

Every single ice rider Tera’s to water or fire

Meaning you don’t get to behemoth blade it

[dapper crag]

That’s a problem

[stone trellis]

Ice Rider has the best physical bulk besides Zamazenta (technically better if Zamazenta switches out) and it also has a toold to turn Zacian's tremendous Speed against it.

[molten oasis]

And that’s why zacian’s mu’s it usually is good into sucks

[dapper crag]

Trick Room? Or what?

[stone trellis]

On top of that, Zacian also lacks a fuck you spread move that can deal with the redirection CIR loves or the ability to snowball off of a single kill.

[molten oasis]

Now

You don’t need a spread move to be good

And personally I still think zacian is good, but it’s too honest

[stone trellis]

Yeah, they should make Intrepid Sword immune to Intimidate.

[molten oasis]

The rest of the meta is very powerful

And most have powerful spread moves or strong single target and high utility

[stone trellis]

He's literally "intrepid", as in fearless.

[molten oasis]

That be nice, I doubt that’ll happen but it would be nice

[dapper crag]

Would be interesting but does it actually need to happen

[stone trellis]

There's also a lot of really strong Fire and Ground type Pokemon nowadays.

[dapper crag]

And Dauntless Shield blocks it too right?

[stone trellis]

Or strong Pokemon with access to those types.

Yeah, Dauntless Shield would be fair.

[molten oasis]

As my friend said when I was talking about it. The way zacian is played is choosing when to bring it in, and how much that matters

[stone trellis]

I feel like Zacian's actual big weakness is being unable to hold an item.

[foggy lodge]

Man why does ruination suck so much on Chien-Pao LMAO

[dapper crag]

On that topic what other abilities should block Intimidate?

[molten oasis]

No clam sucks

[stone trellis]

As One.

[foggy lodge]

10% of the time it misses the partner doesn't pick up the KO and it gets KO'd back

[dapper crag]

I forget sometimes that it needs to hold the sword

[molten oasis]

I’d love clam zacian

[stone trellis]

I was thinking Band.

[dapper crag]

Fuck no

[molten oasis]

Cuz it’s built like a piece of paper

[stone trellis]

You asked.

[molten oasis]

That could go crazy, also no as one should block intimidate ur crazy

[dapper crag]

I don’t know what I expected

[molten oasis]

CIR’s already hard to deal with as it is don’t make it worse

[stone trellis]

I want to see the slaughterhouse that would be VGC if CIR could have both an Intimidate immunity and Lefties.

[molten oasis]

[dapper crag]

Because it’s a glass cannon that should just try and one shot the opponent instead of trying to super fang it

[stone trellis]

Perhaps then, the MU into CSR would be 55/45 instead of 70/30 in CSR's favor.

[molten oasis]

Hm

Zacian had a lot more results than I thought

In reg I, with ogre obviously

There’s a couple Lunala teams tho that’s cool

[waxen dock]

So what's with global challenge 1?

[foggy lodge]

It doesn't give points

It only matters for japanese players

[molten oasis]

The issue is that we’re in reg I until at least may

[sharp cobalt]

I desire mega Tatsu in champions

[foggy lodge]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regibo3-2561133765-o88qn86n3iuoipekt0ikalvgsmfx4srpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regibo3-2561135769-rghomq288y5cd8w7pla31y0yj2e7vv2pw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regibo3-2561136924-mbbyv1rm0yryxr1574wskhxjq9ong1xpw

Rayquaza dawg

[dapper crag]

Lucky for you Tatsugiri is in

[sharp cobalt]

[dull ibex]

we don't know for sure yet

Trailer may have shown mons that aren't in the game

[dapper crag]

Oh yeah that first trailer’s cinematic mainly. But it makes sense to add it in this round if it’s got a mega, especially a new one

[dull ibex]

we just don't know yet

[dapper crag]

I will say that it doesn’t make sense to show the mons in the in-game clips in the trailer if they’re not in at launch

[hollow latch]

hope we get a rain setter

[shadow wind]

I hope we get a fire type with a special prio fire move 😝

[bold geode]

Honestly it felt good for a bit but really I feel like it still somehow ain't fast enough LMFAO

Real talk I keep thinking about what I wanna run and I keep coming back to either Koraidon Lunala or Zam CSR, it's crazy

[shadow wind]

Go Groudon Miraidon

Trust

[dull ibex]

I wanna try double luna

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/adb00f34bdc8e62a

I also have this team

[bold geode]

@foggy lodge I was looking at CSR stuff
Bro Modest CSR was hitting 202 speed, how did that propaganda even start

[foggy lodge]

The damage calcs are very good

Tbh when you are playing prio tailwind/icy wind with fake out cycle follow me wide guard stuff

There comes a point where being slower doesn't even matter

[dull ibex]

fighting tera ground caly ice rn

calyrex ice and urshifu on the field rn

I think I lose

nvm he quit

[sudden remnant]

chat what is the reason to mod minecraft whats wrong with the actual game

the only mod i have gives my character a cape 😑

[dull ibex]

if you play bedrock you don't even need the mod

[dull ibex]

• lack of a real endgame
• lack of significant balance changes
• ALOT less content

[sudden remnant]

i play java

[dull ibex]

get rekt ig

[sudden remnant]

my fault for having a pc

[dull ibex]

I do as well

[sudden remnant]

i dont care about endgame or any of that

i spend all my time mining

[dull ibex]

you ask whats wrong the game

thats what's fixed by modding

[sudden remnant]

my friend just asked me if he could add a dragon ball mod to my mc

he doesnt have a pc so he was using mine

[bold geode]

Yeah I'm trying out Zam CSR with Grimmsnarl now (trying shit cuz I can) but honestly I'm like 211 with CSR right now cuz like

I noticed quite a few CSR actually slowed down at Worlds

[dull ibex]

yo this mirai cir team is kinda cracked ngl

[dull ibex]

I need to learn how to fight zam

[sudden remnant]

you mean ran less speed or

[bold geode]

Yeah ran less speed

Hell some even ran Modest but

[sudden remnant]

but why

[bold geode]

I think Timid is better

[dull ibex]

I want to use grimm ngl

idk what duo I should pair with it

[bold geode]

If you have prio TW then Modest ain't too bad cuz then you can get damage and still move first but like

[sudden remnant]

grimm is pretty universal, no?

[bold geode]

Yeah honestly thing is CSR is a Pokemon that you wanna move first with

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/bde7a0bddc77f6c4

liking more offensive incin ngl

[dull ibex]

I don't think I have room

[dense latch]

cir mirai did well with it for a bit

so did mirai lunala

[dull ibex]

🤔

[dense latch]

also what’s the reasoning behind dropping av incin on that team for goggles

especially if you’re going adamant 116

[dull ibex]

Sorry Ingame I'm av

Paste error

[dense latch]

o ok

[bold geode]

@foggy lodge do you know anybody that would have a close recreation of Marco's Reg I team

[foggy lodge]

No

Check mdb maybe he has a recreation

[bold geode]

I got a hookup lol

After I asked you I remembered I know someone who ran the 6

[dull ibex]

is volc always good in vgc?

[bold geode]

@foggy lodge holy shit I can play Incin Rilla

[dull ibex]

No u suk

[bold geode]

No you

[dull ibex]

I'm winning again

[foggy lodge]

monke finally got hands

[bold geode]

Yeah I'm playing the Marco 6 and it feels nice
My only complaint is like

So far
So my friend told me Ogerpon comes in games against CIR Mirai and against Koraidon but low-key I've fought both and I've never thought about bringing it

[lofty tartan]

Why is that a complaint?

[foggy lodge]

From what I remember Marco brought CSR mainly against Mirai and CSR Zama

Not CSR lol mb

Firepon*

Also the double glide mode is super good for smeargle stuff

[bold geode]

Eh more of a note
Actually it's more of the fact I would swap it for Urshifu but like the second I do it

[bold geode]

CSR Zam I can see
Though against that I've been bringing my restricted pair and Incin Bolt

[foggy lodge]

Tbh the Ogerpon there is like

The restricted for when you drop one of your restricteds

[bold geode]

Yeah

[foggy lodge]

I remember a match from NAIC where Marco didn't even bring neither zam or csr

And the Ogerpon was the carry there

[bold geode]

Yeah I remember that match

I forget what he was going against

[foggy lodge]

uhhh

I think Koraidon?

[bold geode]

OH YEAH IT WAS

He was against James Evans at NAIC

So it was the Koraidon CSR Weezing stuff

[dull ibex]

how good is koraidon cir

[near crag]

Been considering building around kyogre cir "tailroom" with regieleki, yall think that could work? Probably would also add amoonguss and ursh too, and probably something to help against csr

Also could get eleki with csr pagos, with double fake out and perhaps lando

[foggy lodge]

Yeah it sounds strong

[foggy lodge]

Its good

You are gonna see it more now

Cuz the Koraidon CIR comps popped off at worlds but that was the last tournament of reg I lol

[dull ibex]

is there any six I should use

(ill likely use my own evs)

[foggy lodge]

Korai cir incin rilla smeargle lando i

Its the one that made top 4 at worlds but i think you can go for more offensive stuff

More of a koraidon team rather than a balance team

With Koraidon flutter chi yu raging bolt cir

And then some 6th of your preference

https://pokepast.es/6d9cc4e2e275d597

[dull ibex]

I want to use max max koraidon if possble with life orb

https://pokepast.es/5a5a1c5d411a1cbd what should i replace iron moth with

[dapper crag]

I’ve never heard of Volcanion being used because it involves remembering it exists but Steam Eruption is just a better Scald right?

[dull ibex]

volcarona

[dapper crag]

Oh well no shit

I don’t think Volcarona is in the conversation. Its abilities are ass for one

[shadow wind]

Flame body hate 😔

[rustic mountain]

lost an end game cuz of volc flame body yday

[shadow wind]

I lost a bo3 to Maxi on a flame body proc

But also I chudded out and bricked the game in other ways

[foggy lodge]

thanks volc

[shadow wind]

Discharge being clicked there was honestly so crazy by me

Allergic to making the right play

[dull ibex]

flame body isn't ass LMAO

[rustic mountain]

yea i couldve avoided the end game if i played differently so its on me

tried bankin on something i shouldnt of nd it cost me

so many csr/zama mirrors

[dense latch]

flame body is so so good for reg i

[rustic mountain]

gna hop off this archetype asap lmao just wanna see how high i can push it on cart ladder

[dense latch]

adds a lot of value to support volc especially

[shadow wind]

Weird I've never seen one

And I've played so much Reg I

[molten oasis]

Everyone loves their broken horse

[rustic mountain]

im just gna use either electric bike or psuedo fire bike instead

[rustic mountain]

?

how would u play a mirror of csr/zama w/o running csr/zama

[molten oasis]

Are CSR Zama mirrors that bad? lol

[rustic mountain]

nah ive just played the archetype way too much

the mirrors r just annoying

[shadow wind]

That was the joke 😔

[shadow wind]

It's wide guard chicken

[molten oasis]

Fair

[rustic mountain]

too tired

[rustic mountain]

ehh i try and play in a way so it doesnt divulge into that its just usually dependent on how players choose to approach it and what mons they r running that can make it a bit more annoying

[shadow wind]

I mean yeah if you actually know how to play mons it isn't but so many people just lead CSR Zama and pray to get the turn right

[foggy lodge]

I hate that

When I played Koraidon Flutter I would lead with something more defensive on the mirror cuz like i don't want to play speed ties coinflips and then my opponent would just lead Koraidon Flutter anyways LMAO

[shadow wind]

And Koraidon flutter beats every lead but Koraidon flutter 😭

So you just lose the interaction off rip

Many such cases

Also non pokemon related my minecraft speedrunning is going kinda crazy

I'm 7000th in the world currently

[rustic mountain]

oh fs

[vivid jungle]

Are there any good dragon types to use besides garchomp and Dragonite in reg F?

Salamance might be worth a try I feel like

[solid frigate]

How did you skip Raging bolt and Archaludon

Also Garchomp is not good in Reg F

The only one that works out is Dragonite with Chien Pao

[vivid jungle]

I already have a steel type and I don't have a rain team, thats why I don't wanna use the bridge. Raging bolt might be a decent fit in the team though

Roaring moon might also fit in there

[bold geode]

They can be
The worst part is the speed tie, but it's something you can play around

It's just the fact that at some point you do have to sign yourself up for that 50/50

[molten oasis]

I see

G1 I play with this team he had a super fast incin and a swords dance tera ground CIR, awesome man

[bold geode]

Also neat lil trick I've experienced
If you have two Zam CSR on the field at the same time, if you have like Tera Dark CSR it's actually more optimal imo to not tera CSR in that case if you're Wide Guarding with Zam

[dull ibex]

I'm liking koraidon lunala alot

[bold geode]

What item on Koraidon

[dull ibex]

Lorb

[bold geode]

Good boy

[dull ibex]

The tr mode is tough to pilot

[bold geode]

Oh are you playing Gio's team

[dull ibex]

Ye

With my own EVs

[bold geode]

Yeah honestly I think that's tougher to pilot and I honestly do not know what MUs he brought it to or remember cuz most the time I'd see him play he was going with the faster mode

That Chi Yu was putting in fucking work at Worlds istg

[dull ibex]

My Chi yu is more HP and alot less spa

I should fix that

[bold geode]

Well I might try that team at some point myself
But I'm also asking Gio to see if he had any guides or advice with the team for MUs

[dull ibex]

Neat

[bold geode]

One of the few good times to be a Texan LMFAO

[dull ibex]

Lmaoooo

[dull ibex]

Chi-Yu @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beads of Ruin
Tera Type: Dark
EVs: 220 HP / 4 Def / 36 SpA / 4 SpD / 244 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Overheat
• Heat Wave
• Dark Pulse
• Snarl

@bold geode this is my chi-yu

Chi-Yu @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beads of Ruin
Level: 60
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 52 HP / 4 Def / 196 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk

• Heat Wave
• Overheat
• Snarl
• Dark Pulse

this is the chi-yu I might switch tooo

okay I swapped sets

[bold geode]

This one looks better

[dull ibex]

thats from a cybertron video

[bold geode]

Ok

[dull ibex]

I keep forgetting i named him rotom fish

[warm estuary]

Rotom fish😭

Who’s rotom fish

[dull ibex]

Chi Yu

[warm estuary]

Oh

Makes sense

[dull ibex]

I'm liking the team so far

[warm estuary]

Good job

[dull ibex]

how tf do i pilot this tr mode 😭

[dull ibex]

@bold geode my caly ice has 23 speed ivs do i increase that with a bottle cap or leave it?

[bold geode]

Depends on you
But if you're running Adamant/speed investment I'd say yeah

[dull ibex]

im not running speed investment but I am adamant

[lofty tartan]

The only good time. Booyah

https://tenor.com/view/boom-roasted-the-office-michael-scott-steve-carell-roasted-gif-5220244

[bold geode]

I mean
We also got good BBQ

[lofty tartan]

So do we and we're Maine so you're gonna have to do better than that

[bold geode]

Uh uh
How good is the Mexican food

[lofty tartan]

I just went by a taco place when I was with my colleague in Portland and it was the best quesadilla of my life

[bold geode]

L cuz it wasn't on wheels

[lofty tartan]

Nah it was in downtown Portland's historic district.

It was a taco bar

We have plenty of fantastic food trucks

[bold geode]

[lofty tartan]

Quesadilla was bigger than then plate.

Was awesome

[bold geode]

But how many random places do y'all have to explore

[lofty tartan]

Tons.

[bold geode]

Deadass Texas is fucking huge

[lofty tartan]

Have you seen how big Maine is?

And we have forests/mountains/lakes/beaches/valleys

[bold geode]

Like I'll see Tiktoks of like "places to visit in Texas" and I'm like ok I probably know these places and then I see like 5 fucking water holes I've never heard of and 10 other places I've never heard of and I'm like WHERE IS THIS SHIT

[lofty tartan]

Maine is... A melting pot. Our landscape is diverse, our cities are historic; you can live off the grid or deep in a city.

Once you get north past Bangor it's basically nothing but woodland

[bold geode]

Do you know of a YouTuber called Outdoor Boys

[lofty tartan]

No. But I know AirsoftFatty and found out he moved to Maine and I landed in one of his videos. He covered our NYE ball drop in the center of the city and I was personnel running the confetti cannon

He's a pretty chill dude. Very nice.

[bold geode]

So he's a guy that's done a bunch of like camping in Alaska and honestly a bunch of other places in the world
Probably the most popular (though he stopped making YT videos)

But he had this one series where he's been restoring a homestead in Alaska that he bought and it was like one of the most chill binge watches I've had recently

[lofty tartan]

Looks like 4 years ago, Outdoor Boys spent a week in the Maine winter

Winter is bad here.

[bold geode]

Yeah
He's done quite a bit in Alaska too
Idr where he lives
Probably in Alaska now

[lofty tartan]

https://youtu.be/UkSq9ZVrBS0?si=ssTHJrp7N5Vgmkbm

[bold geode]

But yeah good watches on that channel honestly

[lofty tartan]

I spend enough time in the wilderness here to care to watch other people do it

[bold geode]

I AM the Outdoor Boys video

[lofty tartan]

Hell I was patrolling today in 15 degree weather. Below zero with wind chill. Wind was fierce today

[bold geode]

Nah the one impressive thing that man has done imo though
Bro goes camping in like fuckin bum fuck nowhere in Alaska

And yet this mfer brings bread dough and eats fucking bread

[lofty tartan]

It's honestly easier than you think

I've made bread in an ice shack before

I actually enjoy ice fishing quite a bit

[bold geode]

Yeah he literally just has some dough and some yeast in a fuckin Ziploc bag
And he just adds water and fries/grills that shit on whatever he's heating up other rations on

That or he just puts it in the fucking coals of a fire

[lofty tartan]

Yeah it works. Bread is very substantial

Carbs, man

[bold geode]

He'll do that with bread and meats where he'll just put that shit in the coals of a fire and he's like "yeah they're done when the coals fall off " or whatever

Or maybe it's when they stick idr

[bold geode]

OH ACTUALLY I REMEMBERED THE MOST BULLSHIT ONE

There was this fucking video where he did a road trip across America

And basically went from as furthest south you could go in the US (Key West Florida) to the furthest north you can drive (Dead Horse Alaska)

I saw this mfer wrap shit up in foil
Put the fucking foil on the car engine
Shut the fucking hood, drive with it on top of the engine for an hour, and then it just be cooked

And I'm just like "ain't no way that shit works"

[near crag]

Check this out: https://pokepast.es/12caa398f5694f99

[molten oasis]

Lowkey how’s eleki? I’m curious

[near crag]

Pretty good, actually

Does wonders in the csr mirror

At worst makes ppl overcommit with zam, at best is an insta win

[lofty tartan]

I mean it does. We used to cook stuff on top of an engine block when camping sometimes.

[molten oasis]

Nice

[lofty tartan]

Can't have a fire? Raining? Car.

[dull ibex]

how would i build around calm mind lunala 🤔

[foggy lodge]

Inci rilla xd

[dull ibex]

Lunala @ Power Herb
Ability: Shadow Shield
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 132 HP / 172 Def / 180 SpA / 12 SpD / 12 Spe
Modest Nature
do these evs work?

[dull ibex]

what restricted would i pair with it

[foggy lodge]

scarf miraidon

[dull ibex]

🤔 I have a set for that

if my incin has the av what does rilla boom want? miracle seed?

[bold geode]

Yeah my ass was thinking "anyone else try that and their car explodes"

[bold geode]

Is Goggles Bolt a bad idea

[bold geode]

Rilla wants the AV
You can use like Goggles or Rocky on Incin

[dull ibex]

but i wannna keep 116 adamant

[bold geode]

Well then CM Lunala probably ain't the play tbh

[dull ibex]

fine but im going back to max hp max spdef incin

[bold geode]

The fuck?

Why

[dull ibex]

if i can't be 116+ adamant

why not

[bold geode]

Thats actually so ass LOL

What item are you even gonna use

[dull ibex]

goggles i was thinking

[bold geode]

I would try to find like something in the middle

I wouldn't go max max like that
Really no point

Now max max Impish or near max max Impish on the other hand ain't that bad but that's Rocky Helmet stuff

[dull ibex]

monke are you going to have a heartattack during champions when im all max max again

LMAO

[bold geode]

No I'm just saying there's no fucking point of going max HP max Spdef LMAO

It's unoptimal for that

[dull ibex]

fair enough

[foggy lodge]

Eh idk depends on you

[bold geode]

I was just asking cuz I got that suggestion and I saw all the Bolts were like a few AV and then all damage boosting items

[dull ibex]

Wanna do another cart set tonight?

[dapper crag]

Anyone know if milotic or golisopod is better with his new mega out?

[forest arrow]

We still don’t know its ability

[near crag]

How viable is zac kyurem white? I wanna click the funny button but i dont wanna lose 150 elo

[forest arrow]

Kyu W is not it

Zac pairs well with Ogre or Nala

even Miraidon

[near crag]

csr maybe?

[forest arrow]

Hmm yeah you could give it a shot

Just very incin weak in both you’re Restricteds, Zac hates intim and CSR hates knock off

[bold geode]

Milotic don't got a mega

[forest arrow]

Milotic only ever ran niche sets with like Coil

[bold geode]

Zac CSR ain't bad but you're just better off with Zam

[forest arrow]

To my knowledge

[bold geode]

Also for Golisopod, we can't say much
Abilities make or break with these guys and not knowing the ability we can't say

[molten oasis]

Bad, play it with Kyogre Lunala or Miraidon

CSR can work but zama is just better

[rustic mountain]

[hexed atlas]

Does anyone here have have experience with sun teams? So far I have vensaur, flutter mane, groundon, and walking wake

[waxen dock]

what are good restricteds for ho?

[shadow wind]

Some could say I’m a fan of Sun teams

[shadow wind]

Calyrex Shadow, either bike, Kyogre usually

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/i/status/2034683824936804659

Stealth (@Stealth40k)

Nintendo announced their Pax East Lineup:

- Super Mario Bros. Wonder Switch 2 Edition
- Pokémon Pokopia
- Pokémon Champions

https://t.co/KJfixh2rGJ

X · Mar 19, 2026, 5:30 PM

[dull ibex]

does this mean champions is playable in a few days?

at pax only of course

[dapper crag]

When’s that?

[waxen dock]

What does that mean?

[dapper crag]

Champin’ time may be announced

Hoping for new mega abilities shown too

Oh it’s 26-29

That’s really soon

[waxen dock]

How do you know that?

[dapper crag]

Look in #champions_discussion

[dull ibex]

do i continue to play mirai cir or tank my win rate and learn Lunala Korai

[shadow wind]

Eh probably just learn Groudon Miraidon, I’ve heard it’s free win after free win

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/why-is-he-lying-wong-gif-5558347777370316415

[foggy lodge]

I hope this pax east thing is streamed

[shadow wind]

Zero lies were told ???

I don’t think I’ve ever lied in my life

Maxi I got 5 days until I explode 😔

[foggy lodge]

It would suck so much to have a playable demo and then leave everyone else with 0 info lol

Wisdom teeth?

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[foggy lodge]

Good luck bro

[shadow wind]

And I was really smart and booked a tattoo the day before

Going to be a ball of pain and agony when Wednesday hits

[foggy lodge]

Why would you ever do that bruh

[shadow wind]

Ok to be fair the tattoo was booked like a month ago

But then this was like the only time I could get my teeth out

I’ll thug it out

[foggy lodge]

I hope you do

Is it your first tattoo

[shadow wind]

Nah

I got one when I was 16

But this is only my second one so it’s still going to hurt

People lie about tattoos not hurting

[foggy lodge]

How big is it

[shadow wind]

First one or the second one I’m getting?

[foggy lodge]

Second one

[shadow wind]

I’m not 100% sure yet but it isn’t like a huge one or anything

They do the actual sizing when you go in

It’s not like a couple lines but it isn’t a whole arm covered

Big in the middle vibes

[foggy lodge]

Ah its fine

[shadow wind]

Exactly

If anything it being sore will take away from the wisdom teeth pain

Or it compounds and I combust

I’ll take my chances though

If my dentist says “The odds of this failing are the same as missing Pblades” I know I’m screwed

[foggy lodge]

Or maybe its fine

Its a 72% still

[shadow wind]

I’ve probably clicked Pblades more than anyone I know

I know that 85% is lying

[foggy lodge]

I want to get an earring but I don't know how much would it hurt

It must be less than a tattoo right

[shadow wind]

I’d say yes

But it’s concentrated pain

One big “yeouwch” instead of a “wow this hurts a lot and I still have 45 minutes to go”

I just remembered I have a friend who has an earring and I think he said it barely hurt

[dapper crag]

It doesn’t sound like it hurts

[shadow wind]

The idea is probably worse than the actual pain

Like a hole puncher going to your ear is pretty awful sounding

[near crag]

How good are these two? https://pokepast.es/6c9f78017275136d, and https://pokepast.es/5f984df686721a93

[molten oasis]

Just straight up for both Lunala is better over Pagos

[near crag]

Lunala csr?

[molten oasis]

They’re both zacian teams

Lunala zacian>

[near crag]

The first one is csr pagos

[molten oasis]

I totally clicked on the second one 3 times

[molten oasis]

Lunala is better over Pagos on the Zac team

[shadow wind]

That's so real

[shadow wind]

Malding right now

My sub 15 😔

Gone

[foggy lodge]

Doxxed on minecraft

[shadow wind]

Oh no my minecraft username got leaked 😔

[foggy lodge]

Yes

[shadow wind]

Devastating news

[foggy lodge]

Actually I should play other stuff

I was replaying Pac-Man world 2

Lowkey goated remake

[shadow wind]

I've been playing minecraft with audio for the first time in ages cause it's helpful in speedruns but I got the bummiest setup

[foggy lodge]

LMFAO

[shadow wind]

These are plugged into my speaker through the aux cord

I think the ones I'm using are the ones on the left

Lowkey the audio isn't even that bad

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but it doesn't look professional

You have to tryhard

[shadow wind]

But earbuds are tuff

Nonchalant yknow

#PerformativeMale

[foggy lodge]

They ain't tuff

[shadow wind]

Nah I do actually like earbuds though, makes me feel more locked in than headphones

Especially wired ones cause I feel plugged in

Bluetooth is for losers with no spacial awareness

#ImSoAware

[foggy lodge]

I prefer headphones they also give me more style

[shadow wind]

I don’t even know what that word means

I wear shorts and a sweater for 90% of the year

I’ve never tried to look stylish so it’s not really something I think about

Also buying pants that fit sucks

[foggy lodge]

I like having a style

But I understand not focusing too much on it

But its a very cool thing I admire a lot alt people

Emo and punk people look so cool

[shadow wind]

Like I can appreciate some good dressing but I’ll personally not be trying to do all that

Although accessories are my jam

I think it’s because I’m too active to have like more than 2 layers on

But accessories add lore

[foggy lodge]

True

I want a earring and a necklace

Adds more to my character design

[shadow wind]

I wear lots of bracelets but that’s about it for now

Used to wear hats but dropped that a while ago

[bold geode]

I want hoop earrings

And I'm not talking like gauges
I'm talking like earrings

[shadow wind]

Earrings are lowkey sick

I’m too skinny for them though

I’d look like twink prototype ver. 2

Which is why I’ll also never wear skinny jeans

[foggy lodge]

Im already the twink prototype its fine

[foggy lodge]

I hated them so much

If you are not emo they just don't look good

[bold geode]

I'm too fat for em

[bold geode]

But you are so

[shadow wind]

I’d rather wear khakis every day

But even then I dislike khakis

I think I own 1 pair of jeans

[bold geode]

I wear khakis a lot cuz of work

[shadow wind]

Jean culture where I live is terrible

[bold geode]

@foggy lodge so thoughts
Do we know Mega abilities in a week after the Champions demo
Or are they just gonna use old shit

[shadow wind]

And by terrible I just mean everyone owns 13 pairs 😔

[bold geode]

I own two pair of jeans that get me thru 4-5 days of work

[shadow wind]

Fair

I can imagine a good pair of jeans that actually fit are nice to wear

[foggy lodge]

I use baggy

[shadow wind]

I own like 4 pairs of the exact same shorts and I live in those

[bold geode]

Also I have a very dick take on VGC and Champions complaints
Anyone wanna hear it

[shadow wind]

Always

[foggy lodge]

I have a friend that had some kind of jeans but they were weird

[bold geode]

So like
The best part of people complaining about not having Champions rn
Regarding for event planning, could also apply for general but mainly for event planning

[foggy lodge]

He had these

[shadow wind]

Man I can’t wait for it to be summer so I can wear the grass sandals again

[bold geode]

Is that like 60-70% of the people complaining

[foggy lodge]

And the first time I saw him using it I was so weirded out

[shadow wind]

Jorts but longer

[foggy lodge]

I was "is that some very long shorts or some very small jeans"

[bold geode]

Are not gonna qualify for Worlds unless they make an absolute fuckin Hail Mary and win an event and cuz of that really don't have any reason to play in any events

Like they complain like they're FORCED to play at events with SV as the game

Like their family is being held at gunpoint and they'll die if they don't go to Orlando for example

[foggy lodge]

They are kinda forced to play SV

We are not playing champions until like june and in june i think there's only NAIC and some EU special event

[bold geode]

And like if you're #81-100 on the leaderboard, like sure I get it, you're in the race

But then you got random Joe complaining that's like
Not even on the fucking leaderboard

Like dude if you don't wanna play SV that much, DON'T FUCKING GO TO EVENTS

Or just spectate

Why you keep playing dawg, your best event result is 4-4, you're not qualifying

[foggy lodge]

yeah but most of the scene wants to qualify for worlds

Like for me once champions comes out im not touching SV again and it doesn't affect me cuz i don't compete

[bold geode]

Honestly I was thinking about it right
And like the main reason why I have this take
Is cuz we are in April right

And once again like
Considering we're 2 months away from NAIC which we can probably guess is the earliest we play Champions right

Disregarding said hail mary, if you're not close to the top 80, what are the odds you qualify

[foggy lodge]

But even then its even worse

Cuz I think some korean nationals will be SV but it will be reg F

And the same month we start reg I

And the same month its the global challenge in champions

We'll have 3 active formats in the circuit how egregious can the circuit be rn LOL

[bold geode]

Right LMAO

But like for example your NA and EU regions right

Unless you're close to qualifying, if you don't wanna play the game, is there really THAT MUCH reason to go and compete? Am I crazy for thinking that?

[foggy lodge]

There's also people who compete for money

I'm pretty sure people like Juanfi and Joseph compete for money

[bold geode]

Oh well yeah but honestly I feel like it's the same deal

Unless that's literally your bill money LOL

Which if that's the case you gotta get your shit straight I'm sorry

[foggy lodge]

Juanfi does

[bold geode]

Like I don't think you should be relying on Pokemon tournaments for bill money like that, cuz then like

[foggy lodge]

Well a lot comes from competing and the rest is from coachings patreon streams

[bold geode]

One bad result and ope there goes me being able to pay rent

[foggy lodge]

Its like Wolfey where he kind of gets a lot of money from prize money but most of his income I think comes from his channel

[bold geode]

Oh yeah but like
The tournaments shouldn't be your primary source

Like coaching/YT channel is the primary in Joe's or Wolfe's case for example

Hell rn I'm just playing for vibes

Like hell idk when I'll be able to play with these guys again so

[timber schooner]

Will xerneas be power crept in champions

[bold geode]

How long will it be before I get to click Astral Barrage or fuck over a Smeargle with Follow Me Ogerpon

[bold geode]

You should consider stand up comedy

[timber schooner]

I think there going to nerf it

[bold geode]

Nah

[shadow wind]

Probably not

[foggy lodge]

hold on in going to text masuda to get your answer

[bold geode]

I remember
God I'd have to go back for it

[shadow wind]

Was Xerneas fried in SwSh cause Zacian?

[dull ibex]

We hate dollar monke

[bold geode]

I remember one time some dude came in here to "report cheaters" on the ranked ladder
And Tofu was just like "here lemme contact Mr Pokemon real quick"

[foggy lodge]

Dynamax was terrible for it

Not a really good dynamax user and dynamax mons kind of destroyed it

• zacian existed

[bold geode]

Max just said it all

But yeah it's Xerneas

It's gonna be good

[foggy lodge]

Lmfao

[bold geode]

Being able to slap a Power Herb on that thing to give yourself a double Quiver Dance in one turn is always good tbh

[shadow wind]

John battle stadium

[timber schooner]

I think the mega format is going to rip it up

[bold geode]

Especially cuz like
I want to remind y'all that no one ever ran coverage on it

[bold geode]

You do realize it's most dominant time WAS in the mega format right

[shadow wind]

Cause what even resisted it

[shadow wind]

Primal Groudon with 90 spdef

[timber schooner]

I know back in 2016

[dull ibex]

It's also never won worlds iirc

[bold geode]

Honestly it's coverage ain't even that great but keep in mind nobody ran coverage cuz after a Geomancy, Fairy Aura +2 attacks from Xerneas would just do the job better than coverage LMAO

Hell frail resists probably dropped to Xerneas

[timber schooner]

Its because everyone over prepares for it

[shadow wind]

How strong is moonblast with fairy aura even

Like 126?

[bold geode]

That's usually what happens when it's the best restricted in a restricted format

[bold geode]

Nope
Same thing as like CSR in Gen 9

[shadow wind]

Holy moly it is 126

[bold geode]

Target on its back was huge

[foggy lodge]

Its orichalcum pulse

[shadow wind]

I’m the goat of mental math

[bold geode]

But you can give the Orichalcum Pulse to other Fairies too

[foggy lodge]

Well the bikes abilities are bettee cuz it's 1.33 + electric terrain/sun

[shadow wind]

Power creep 😔

[timber schooner]

Does final gambit work on it or does it get resisted because its a fairy

[shadow wind]

Final gambit doesn’t care for resistances

[bold geode]

Final Gambit always does damage off of HP of the user no matter typing

[shadow wind]

But doesn’t Xerneas have 137 hp?

[bold geode]

Yeah but depends on the Final Gambit user

[shadow wind]

126 😔

[timber schooner]

Who is gonna ev train xerneas in hp

[bold geode]

Damn not even Ape gets it wait

[shadow wind]

I think I’m thinking of Lunala

[dull ibex]

Me probably

[bold geode]

I mean probably quite a few people

[shadow wind]

I got my stats mixed up

[bold geode]

When you're boosting 3 stats by +2, you probably have some room for that

[foggy lodge]

A lot o Xerneas ran like 4/4/4 on spa spd and speed

[dull ibex]

Mega gengar coming in like

[timber schooner]

The ghost monkey has similar hp

[shadow wind]

Twave flutter type beat

[bold geode]

Ghost monkey don't got enough

[timber schooner]

I know

[bold geode]

With Final Gambit ideally you wanna one shot whatever you use Gambit into

[shadow wind]

Which is why Amoonguss was indeed my goat

[shadow wind]

More than 110 base hp

My beloved

[timber schooner]

Will brongzong be making a return to deal with it

[shadow wind]

Probably not no

[bold geode]

Fun fact: 219 HP on Amoonguss is also optimal for Regenerator recovery

[bold geode]

I mean maybe

[shadow wind]

Bronzong was good because of safeguard

[bold geode]

Idk what the meta will 100% be bro

[shadow wind]

But safeguard EXPLODED

[timber schooner]

Unaware dondozo

[bold geode]

Dozo is weaker on the special side of bulk

[shadow wind]

Bro just gholdengo as a whole does well into Xerneas

[timber schooner]

Or zacian

[bold geode]

Fun fact: bulk wise Snorlax is the opposite of Dozo

[shadow wind]

Gholdengo Murkrow just cooked your Rainbow life deer

[bold geode]

At least in terms of Yawn bot spreads

[shadow wind]

Bro is full of fun facts today 😭😭

[dull ibex]

Is gholdengo good in reg I?

[shadow wind]

No

[timber schooner]

I mega zygarde any good against it that we know of

[bold geode]

The one format it's not good in

[shadow wind]

Gets clowned on by every restricted

[bold geode]

Mega Zygarde is troll

[shadow wind]

John 216

[bold geode]

I can already tell ya that

[bold geode]

Wrong verse dawg

[timber schooner]

It needs to be at 25 percent hp to mega evolve

[solid frigate]

50% HP to Change to 100%

[foggy lodge]

+2 252+ SpA Fairy Aura Xerneas Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Gholdengo: 128-151 (78.5 - 92.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[bold geode]

Needs to go down to 50% HP to go complete form then it can mega

Which considering it's typing well uh

Not great LMAO

[timber schooner]

What about zacian how good was that for it

[bold geode]

I'm honestly surprised it even takes that

Actually wait Max

How much does Specs Make It Rain do to +2 Xerneas

[timber schooner]

Does fluttermane take it

[bold geode]

Take what

[timber schooner]

Moon blast

[bold geode]

Probably not tbh

[foggy lodge]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Gholdengo Make It Rain vs. +2 4 HP / 0 SpD Xerneas: 132-156 (65.3 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[solid frigate]

If a resist still can’t take it well imagine a neutral

[dull ibex]

I await the return of the primals

[bold geode]

Jesus it actually eats that

[solid frigate]

It’s a +2 SpD so kinda expected

[bold geode]

Actually how fast can Xerneas go hold up

[dull ibex]

Max hp max spa modest time

[solid frigate]

Faster than most Scarf Mons in +2 speed if you somehow run Max Speed

Does it Outspeed Scarf Miraidon

[bold geode]

Oh wait it underspeeds base 100?

[solid frigate]

Yeah

[timber schooner]

Specs fluttermane 2 shot max sp defense xerneas with moon blast and its the same the other way around