competitive_discussion

[rustic mountain]

i give it a month

also them waiting 2 weeks just to announce reg i returning

[foggy lodge]

For absolutely no reason

https://x.com/Conner138382472/status/2032568233794941331?s=20

the x-3 man (@Conner138382472)

These six Pokemon gave me my highest success in vgc with a top 4 of naic and top 4 worlds https://t.co/8kc02D6Yqm I will make a team report about how to use the team sometime in the next week

X · Mar 13, 2026, 9:23 PM

https://pokepast.es/24724c9fd034fcb8 sneasler mirai cir paste

[rustic mountain]

ew

[rustic mountain]

its painfully obvious to me they were trying to see if champions would have any chance to b ready by then

once that window shut they were like eh fuck it reg i, i guess

otherwise u just tell ppl wat format they r playin on asap i.e beginning of the month as theyve been doing

[molten oasis]

I forgot how hard this format is when the good players are doing stuff lol

I’m learning how to play in this format again but matches are so hard

[dull ibex]

Masterball is a loss factory for me

[rustic mountain]

wat does this mean

[molten oasis]

The actual players came back and the format feels 10x worse to play in

[rustic mountain]

ahhh ok

[molten oasis]

(Also I suck at bo3’s im learning)

[rustic mountain]

always somethin to improve on, just give urself some grace along the way

[molten oasis]

I quite often win g1 then get shit on g2 and 3 it’s rough

Or like g3 is super close

Like I don’t hate the format but some things in the format are so rough for zacogre to deal with, notably scarf Mirai next to CIR

[rustic mountain]

r u making adjustments or u rollin up w/ the same shit, most decent players r gna change it up if they lose

[molten oasis]

I’m trying to make adjustments when I can

I just ran a bo3 where I led Zac shifu 2 times and did fine (it was my better lead for the mu) but other games I’d make the wrong adjustment and just lose lol

[rustic mountain]

be proactive not reactive in team preview, dont wait for the adjustment to beat u, prepare for it. kinda gna vary on mu and player, bo3 creates a dynamic where ur not just playin the game, ur playin a game within the game as well

[molten oasis]

Mk

[rustic mountain]

not that ur unaware of that but like, thats where u gta look on improving ur decision making

[molten oasis]

I just don’t think the teams bad it’s just me

[forest arrow]

Reading how the person you’re facing plays is a game in itself

So I agree with that

[molten oasis]

People play very defensive with their incin’s, and I get it

And need to learn how to deal with it cuz zacian being screwed endgame sucks

https://pokepast.es/44f639c740a1f6bd running this rn

[foggy lodge]

Ditto used Glacial Lance!
It's not very effective on the opposing me when rain.
(The opposing 3x attack lost 32% of its health!)
(The opposing me when rain lost 23% of its health!)

Calyrex used Glacial Lance!
It's not very effective on the opposing me when rain.
(The opposing 3x attack lost 33% of its health!)
(The opposing me when rain lost 24% of its health!)

The opposing 3x attack fainted!
[Calyrex's Chilling Neigh]
Calyrex's Attack rose!

[molten oasis]

Opting for rilla over amoonguss rn cuz I want fake out, and I’m playing taunt shifu to help with tr

And then I have thunder on kyogre for Tera water CIR cuz that’s been rough too

And shifu, and Zama

[forest arrow]

I say it looks good for the most part, I’m just not huge on SD

[rustic mountain]

and like its ots, they can see ur counter measures so that also becomes a mind game on they know i know that they know i can taunt their tr setter, do i go for it and they just atk? do i lose ground if i still taunt nd they dont go for it etc

[molten oasis]

I dropped Tera ground Zac because of that

It’s funny when you get an incin in bo1 but it’s not nearly as effective in bo3

[rustic mountain]

yea thats good awareness to see like hey maybe this doesnt translate into bo3

[molten oasis]

Yeah, and SD feels better for bo3

Way easier to punish pivots from incin

[rustic mountain]

doesnt mean u cant have anything like that but its not gna necessarily b as effective if ur opponent knows

nd yea finding other moves that can still provide pressure in different ways

[molten oasis]

I like bo3 tho

[rustic mountain]

bo3 is cool

[molten oasis]

It’s fckn hard but that’s just due to no experience and like, people are way better in that ladder

[rustic mountain]

ur jumping into a ladder most ppl have more familiarity in the format and in bo3, itll b a learning curve

[molten oasis]

Yeah, and I’ll get there

[rustic mountain]

experience is the best teacher

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[molten oasis]

I need to be more proactive about it too like, I wanna start recording sets to see when it is the team or if it’s me

Cuz taunt shifu is there cuz it’s nice in theory but idk if it’ll be in practice

[foggy lodge]

And like the worst part is that this leaves more questions

[rustic mountain]

use date compiling sites to accumulate ur results and see wat it is u struggle into and wat combos are good and what arent

[rustic mountain]

as always

[molten oasis]

Was thinking PASRS

[rustic mountain]

yea

[molten oasis]

I’ll get it down, new territory for me since I’m so used to bo1

[rustic mountain]

yea the fundamentals are ofc the same but the application is going to be different

[molten oasis]

Fs

[dull ibex]

I think I like bloodmoon on this team

[molten oasis]

I’ve been seeing a bunch of sash encore CSR today

[molten oasis]

Was that a big thing when worlds ended or smth? I’ve seen like 3 or 4

[molten oasis]

Looks solid

[dull ibex]

Been playing it like hard tr with fast options

[molten oasis]

Yeah that looks like what it would play as

[forest arrow]

Sash encore was used a lot

[molten oasis]

Gotcha

Easier to deal with for me

Lorb puts on more pressure for me

[rustic mountain]

encore can b cool but i like actually attacking w. my broken restricted

i have nasty plot as my 4th in case i get a good position

[foggy lodge]

I like encore

[forest arrow]

Yeah I was on sash plot for a bit there

[foggy lodge]

Very disruptive for sucker punch stuff or set ups

[molten oasis]

Yeah definitely

[rustic mountain]

i get it

i still prefer np

[forest arrow]

encore is very nice tho too in its own right

[foggy lodge]

Also its cool for the modest csr

[molten oasis]

I have a moon that goes to every game so encore doesn’t really pressure me

[foggy lodge]

I played a match assuming they were modest cuz they were moving after me the whole time

And it worked at first cuz i could encore them and stuff and then in the endgame turns out we were speed tying lol

[molten oasis]

CSR speed ties seem miserable

[rustic mountain]

this may be one of ur issues, u gta have flexibility in wat ur bringing, non restricteds shouldnt b coming to every game, shit even incin gets left on the bench sometimes

[molten oasis]

Into CSR Zama?

[rustic mountain]

oh u said every game i didnt realize u just meant 1 mu

[molten oasis]

Why tf wouldn’t I bring moon to that, I meant into CSR Zama my bad lol

[rustic mountain]

bit different of phrasing lol

[foggy lodge]

I'm actually leaving csr behind a lot

Well not a lot but more than you would assume

[molten oasis]

That guy has a fat target on its back

[foggy lodge]

Its just not as good into some stuff so i can pick the other restricted and other 3 guys

[rustic mountain]

yea ive done that

[molten oasis]

I gotta learn that, tho there’s games I mostly feel like kyogre is lowkey trash in

I don’t really like bringing 2 water types into miraidon lol

[rustic mountain]

yea sometimes (not often) 1 restricted is the way

[molten oasis]

Fs

[foggy lodge]

And on 0.1% of cases you have to bring 0 restricteds

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

I did that once and won that was cool

[rustic mountain]

idk if ive ever done that hahaha

[molten oasis]

(Zac was horrendous into the mu and kyogre wasn’t pulling weight)

[foggy lodge]

Depends on the teams tbh

[molten oasis]

True

[foggy lodge]

Some teams are just very reliant on their restricteds for damage so picking 0 is almost never the play

[rustic mountain]

u should never have it where both ur restricteds suck into something

[molten oasis]

It was Ho-oh and korai or smth like that

Zac just dies there

It wasn’t a common mu

[rustic mountain]

yea if its super random counter team i guess but even then u should bring atleast 1

like sure zacians mid and does nothing but atleast kyogre for weather control

[molten oasis]

Kyogre missed 3 pulses in a row so I didn’t feel like taking it

That sucked.

[rustic mountain]

thats just a streak of bad rng, if they hit and those put u in winning positions sometimes u just accept the combo of bad luck/bad mu

but seems u won anyway so w/e i guess

[molten oasis]

Fair, I’m gonna have to I play zacogre

Tho I’ve been better about positioning kyogre

[rustic mountain]

i just think its forcing potential bad habits by being like yea lemme bench my best guy cuz it missed a few times

which sucks but thats still a big piece in a mu that can have two things weak to it (korai if it teras and ho oh naturally)

[molten oasis]

Fair

There’s lots of stuff I’m figuring out for this tho, it’s hard

[rustic mountain]

right its not gna happen all at once, itll click bit by bit as u go

nd even then like theres never a ceiling

[molten oasis]

Really?

[rustic mountain]

i think teams can have ceilings but not players

[glad imp]

just threw a team together in 20 minutes casue i was bored then won two games in a row in vgc bo1 am i goated? https://pokepast.es/fdf4a85b0d2eebd9

[rustic mountain]

always stuff we all need to improve on

[molten oasis]

Mk

[rustic mountain]

i mean cool but id say itd take more then that to b goated

[glad imp]

touche

[rustic mountain]

team seems like mostly solid pieces id change some things like if ur cm ogre ud want a defensive tera imo

[molten oasis]

I’ll see how far I can get with zacogre, which I think is fine enough to be playing

Cm ogre’s, fine

[rustic mountain]

if ur specs or something i can see water being a nice multiplier otherwise its gna b tough

[molten oasis]

Tera grass ogre probably

[rustic mountain]

ghost tera rilla is weird

[glad imp]

idea was to dodge fake outs

[rustic mountain]

then ur csr food

[molten oasis]

Idt it matters as much on rilla as it does incin

[glad imp]

that's true

[rustic mountain]

ghost on incin is cool

rilla it feels redundant

[molten oasis]

You outspeed incin so, that’s why incins go ghost

There’s like, smeargle I guess but it’s not common enough

[rustic mountain]

yea

[glad imp]

makes sense

[foggy lodge]

We have to use ruination smeargle

[molten oasis]

Also personally wouldn’t suggest CM ogre

[rustic mountain]

trailblaze tera grass zacian is either heat or absolute garbage i cant tell

[molten oasis]

You’re gonna run into spots where you can’t do anything

Especially into koraidon

[glad imp]

i haven't actually tera'd zacian yet

but i feel like its gas waiting to happen

[rustic mountain]

oh also give urself pulse on kyogre, only 1 water stab that relies on ur opponent not hitting u for multiple turns is not a good gameplan

[glad imp]

that's why we got kyogre

[molten oasis]

I was taking about kyogre?

[foggy lodge]

Tera grass is cool with rain cuz you turn off the fire weakness with it and you ignore amoonguss and helps into ground

I don't like trailblaze tho

If you have tornadus the trailblaze boost is unnecesary

[molten oasis]

Tera blast or just, swords dance

[glad imp]

the rain setter gets effed by the sunny day merchant?

[rustic mountain]

oh dude also ur rilla moveset knock off and trailblaze r not needed give urself glide and wood hammer or even drum beating if u want it to have added speed control

[molten oasis]

Koraidon resists you and even in rain it chunks you

[glad imp]

ngl just realized trailblaze and grassy glide r two diff moves

[molten oasis]

Groudon? Sure, idk bout koraidon

[glad imp]

havent touched vgc in years

[rustic mountain]

and max speed on an av rilla is counterintuitive, u can speed creep other rillas but u want to be more defensive so ur pivot piece can still b alive to well, pivot

[molten oasis]

Another big boost to kyogre is spout, which, isn’t really viable for CM

[rustic mountain]

welcome back

r u returning cuz of champions

[glad imp]

part that part cause i was bored lol

[foggy lodge]

rip champions

[glad imp]

im so stoked for champions tho

[rustic mountain]

jus curious

[foggy lodge]

Rip people who have to play sv regionals while champions is already out

[rustic mountain]

i was stoked for champions then they siphoned all the hype i had

[molten oasis]

TPCI is uh, doing, smth

[glad imp]

i lowk havent looked at much im just praying

[rustic mountain]

but yea other then those suggested changes i think everything else is fine, if u do opt for cm ogre tho i agree w/ drago spout should prolly just get replaced w/ pulse and also u should give it more added bulk, give it enough speed to outspeed stuff like csr in tw

[rustic mountain]

we havent really gotten much

which is part of the problem, and what we have gotten has led to more speculation then clarification

[molten oasis]

A guy I do like with cm ogre is Grimmsnarl

Additional bulk and twave for it is pretty nice

[rustic mountain]

i remember usin that on the quad dark team the tangs built

[molten oasis]

That was pretty cool

[rustic mountain]

or was it 5 dark types

[foggy lodge]

Wo-Chien gaming,,,

[molten oasis]

Wo chien incin Grimmsnarl iron jugulis?

[rustic mountain]

urshifu single

[molten oasis]

5 dark types lol

[foggy lodge]

It was watershifu

[molten oasis]

That’s what I thought

[rustic mountain]

it was?

[foggy lodge]

Yeh cuz like it needed a rain abuser

[molten oasis]

Water boosted surging strikes go brr

[glad imp]

dude how'd it not get torn apart by like fairy miraidon or smth

[rustic mountain]

i forget how i won games w/ that team

[molten oasis]

Tera grass ogre ig

[foggy lodge]

Because fairy miraidon did not exist when that team was created LOL

All the miraidons were tera electric discharge

[molten oasis]

If it Tera’s you could fish for origin pulses

Oh right, fairy didn’t get popular until late reg g

arubega

[rustic mountain]

wat regional did the grimm jugulis kyogre team even do well

i cannot find it in topcut lol

[foggy lodge]

NAIC

Or wait is it reg g or reg i

[rustic mountain]

it was reg g 1 restricted

[foggy lodge]

Ah yeah

https://pokepast.es/3b910884e7544e69

[rustic mountain]

ty

[foggy lodge]

Top 8 NAIC

[rustic mountain]

i glossed right over it lol

[glad imp]

@rustic mountain total after ten matches. did not know i had that in me

[bold geode]

I have left behind Zamazenta quite a bit

https://x.com/i/status/2032430073878290856

Jesse (Like From Breaking Bad) (@VgcJesse)

TCG format communication: you may or may not be able to use this one card we don't really know, my bad

VGC format communication:

X · Mar 13, 2026, 12:14 PM

[dull ibex]

Lol

[waxen dock]

What?

[shadow wind]

Literally how it feels

[waxen dock]

i just see nicocado avocado in a mexican pyramid

or whatever this is

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/1b936c0ab03ae432 made a tr team

[hollow latch]

Could someone help me build a Team around kyogre, arch,miradion or give Tipps for my team👀

[next stump]

Are you looking to play VGC? Just double checking

(double battles)

[hollow latch]

VGC

[next stump]

I was hoping to find some previous Regulation I teams to base it off but it looks like there was only ever really one Kyogre/Archaludon team that had a positive record in any tournament

[hollow latch]

I will send my Team. Give me a min

[next stump]

And it doesn't have Miraidon

[hollow latch]

Ohh isee interesting

[hollow latch]

Why not water urishfu not better here or am i missing something?

[next stump]

Not 100% sure to be honest, probably didn't want to double up on the typing + rely too much on rain

But remember this person didn't really do that well, they're just the best out of a bunch of bad results

[hollow latch]

Hmm makes sense

[hollow latch]

Can i send pic here or is it the wrong place?

[next stump]

Yeah send your team here

[molten oasis]

[hollow latch]

Oh i cant. (Not using this Website. I wanted to send Screenshots from the game)

[molten oasis]

Oh it’s single strike? Why?

[next stump]

Can you remake the team on pokemon showdown

It'll take only a couple minutes

[hollow latch]

Okey i am not the only one asking

Maybe for rider¿

Idk about IV stuff but i could do the moves

[next stump]

yeah IVs and EVs aren't important to give feedback right away

[hollow latch]

Thanks btw for helping out

[dull ibex]

you give better advice then me dillon LMAO

[molten oasis]

Rapid strike would be better

Rain boosted surging strikes go brr

But I think single strike is just a bit better for CSR if anything?

Tho, CSR isn’t a big struggle for zacogre, shifu torn should handle that ok. I think zama makes CSR a lot harder to handle tho

[hollow latch]

Didnt a play against zama 4 month ago but ye

Kyogre @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
IVs: 0 Atk

• Water Spout
• Thunder
• Ice Beam
• Origin Pulse

Miraidon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Hadron Engine
Level: 50
Tera Type: Electric

• Dragon Pulse
• Discharge
• Electro Drift
• Volt Switch

Chien-Pao @ Focus Sash
Ability: Sword of Ruin
Level: 50
Tera Type: Ghost

• Ice Spinner
• Psychic Fangs
• Sacred Sword
• Sucker Punch

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy

• Body Press
• Draco Meteor
• Electro Shot
• Tera Blast

Flutter Mane @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
IVs: 0 Atk

• Dazzling Gleam
• Icy Wind
• Moonblast
• Shadow Ball

Whimsicott @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Prankster
Level: 50
Tera Type: Steel

• Moonblast
• Tailwind
• U-turn
• Helping Hand

Goal is to get speed control and use elctro shot, plus electro terrain

i played chien pao as a counter against rider. tried it even with scarf to be sure i can outspeed xD but ye i am pretty much a nooby if it comes to comp so please give me feedback or ideas ^^

[foggy lodge]

You need some protects

You have 0 protects which means everything is free to be doubled up and also have 0 ways to repositionate in a bad position

[hollow latch]

oh u right maybe chien paop and arch?

or should i play kyogre without scarf and focus for bulk

[foggy lodge]

I think you want atleast one of your restricteds to have protect

Both have the same problem where if you lock in a bad move they can't repositionate

[hollow latch]

fair point

so maybe trade it with a other mon?

i ran pelliper for rain and tailwind support so it could replace kyogre for example

?

btw is it already reg I? (didnt play for month)

[molten oasis]

It’ll be reg I in a couple weeks

[molten oasis]

Go mystic water ogre

[hollow latch]

okey and right now its what reg?

[molten oasis]

Or av, Mirai can be choiced but kyogre can’t

[molten oasis]

Reg f, on showdown

On cart you can play reg I

[hollow latch]

ah man i had hope i could play reg f

[molten oasis]

I also (personally) would play zacian here, not Mirai, I think Mirai ogre isn’t a great duo all things considered

Or even CIR

[hollow latch]

sadly got neither of them

[molten oasis]

Yes I see the vision of boosting Archaludon, but, eh

[molten oasis]

What do you have?

[hollow latch]

got magerna maybe?

but dont think she solves the role zacien does

[molten oasis]

Magearna is a mythical so no

[hollow latch]

oh my bad

[molten oasis]

Do you have zama? Zama’s ok with both Mirai and ogre

[hollow latch]

nah didnt play sword or shield 😅

[stone trellis]

I got a Zacian.

[hollow latch]

is there something i could trade for it?

[solid frigate]

Another Miraidon Kyogre victim dear god

[hollow latch]

ah damn getting called out xD

[solid frigate]

Trust me I said this cuz I was a victim back then

[hollow latch]

so i guess its suc bad then ahahha. man maybe it would have worked in a other reg

[solid frigate]

If you want to play Kyogre you mostly gonna play Calyrex Ice or Zacian

Miraidon wise would be Lunala and Ice Rider

[hollow latch]

can u explain why? Interested in the thought process or what i missed

[solid frigate]

Miraidon and Kyogre combined making team options more limited and it’s too linear for a double res team you mostly run Torn Shifu and two flex mons,plus opposing Miraidon mirrors would be hard to tackle

My team for example is basically 1 mon difference with the best Miraidon Kyogre Team (they have Iron Hands iirc)

And as much as this is my better teams, i don’t want anyone to suffer from using it

Because it’s way more outclassed by the other Miraidon pairs

[hollow latch]

still i like the take

and grass kyogre is also interesting take

for more bulky/spore safer version

[solid frigate]

Yeah the Kyogre in this team is Mega slow,only outspending Scarf Shifu under Tailwind so it’s a lot harder to pilot for new players

But in general, I don’t recommend people playing Miraidon Kyogre

It’s too linear and way too predictable even for a Bo1 environment, and There are way better pairs for Miraidon and Kyogre separately

[hollow latch]

what is the synergy with kyogre and zacien? do they just clear the weakness or?

[hollow latch]

goal was to build a rain team

so i guess i am down to replace miraidon with something else

[solid frigate]

Kyogre mostly Covers Any Fire Types and Ground types Zacian hate,Acting like a supportive Restricteds with Firepower.

And Zacian usually deals with Miraidon for Kyogre

[hollow latch]

makes sense

[solid frigate]

Teammates are also less restrictive than Miraidon Kyogre

As you can run Grass types like Rillaboom and Amoonguss for support and cover the Restricteds

But both cores would like Tailwind Options

Like Tornadus and Roaring Moon

[hollow latch]

okey i think i have maybe roaring moon

and got a perfect rillaboom

[molten oasis]

Koraidon, rilla, shifu, bolt

[solid frigate]

Exactly

[molten oasis]

For kyogre it covers incin, lando, Hearthflame (kinda), Tera fire anything

Ursa

[hollow latch]

so i have to get zacien somehow or the other dog

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/d1c0680c6451ca3d what are some tr abusers I can replace urshifu with

[molten oasis]

Zac and ogre have better synergy

[hollow latch]

thanks guys btw

[molten oasis]

And zama is worse, between the two

While zama is generally better zacian covers ogre better

[hollow latch]

for being patience and explaining everything

[solid frigate]

And both have really solid matchup into Ice Rider due to one of them resist CIR and one could just hit it for free(if they did not Tera)

[molten oasis]

No

[solid frigate]

Honestly it’s more like I kinda saw an influx of players who want to try Miraidon Kyogre

[molten oasis]

Just band the shifu or give it more bulk so it operates better in tr

[solid frigate]

After I made my rental

[molten oasis]

You have 2 abusers

[dull ibex]

and I want 3

I don't find myself bringing urshifu to games

[molten oasis]

You don’t need 3, like, at all

[dull ibex]

it feels like deadweight with how i play it

[molten oasis]

Your tr mode is Fari Ursa CIR and miraidon.

[hollow latch]

tbh i wanted to play bridge turbo eletro field kekw

[molten oasis]

There is not room for another abuser unless you wanna play hands cuz realistically that’s your option

[dull ibex]

hands doesn't hit hard enough

[molten oasis]

But I’d prefer shifu here to help with incin

[solid frigate]

Archaludon is really weak in Restricted format

You have better chances in Reg f

[molten oasis]

You can go to physical Ursa ig

[hollow latch]

ah u said reg f is only in showdown right now?

[molten oasis]

Like, your options for another tr abuser aren’t really existent as generally CIR and Ursa should be perfectly fine

[solid frigate]

Showdown and In person for like 17 days

[molten oasis]

And you don’t wanna use hands so

[dull ibex]

I can't run bloodmoon and ursaluna

[molten oasis]

You could also run incin to help with tr

[molten oasis]

I meant over Bloodmoon man

[dull ibex]

why would i do that

[molten oasis]

That’s my bad, I should have clarified

Physical Ursa is better rn

[dull ibex]

incin over shifu 🤔

[molten oasis]

I personally like shifu here from the looks of it but incin helps getting it set up

[hollow latch]

i like so maybe i will go for it. but incin fake out pressure is noice too

[molten oasis]

Most CIR Mirai teams are rocking incin rn anyway

[dull ibex]

Shifu works fine on this team in theory but when im running primarily as a trick room team it kinda does nothing

[dull ibex]

ill try thast

if i weren't playing soft tr i'd bring shifu to more games

[molten oasis]

No whimsi kinda hurts that, or screens

[hollow latch]

so i guess kyogre, zacien, rilla, shifu rapid and maybe torndaos(if i get a copy) or roaring moon

[dull ibex]

we replaced grimm because nothing was taking advantage of screens

[hollow latch]

would something like tha work?

[solid frigate]

Thats fine

With Roaring Moon there is a core that works wonderfully

Shifu Incin Roaring Moon and either Lando or Amoonguss

Rilla is fine if you go to Torn option

[molten oasis]

CIR?

CIR loves screens that guy doesn’t fckn die

And usually Mirai is specs on screens teams with some bulk investment

[dull ibex]

that fits better with leech seed imo

[molten oasis]

Fair point

[molten oasis]

Moon>

Torn is good and all but moon supports ogre and zacian better

[dull ibex]

alr ill keep shifu but what teams do i bring it into?

[molten oasis]

CIR Incin

You have your own CIR to handle their miraidon

[dull ibex]

doesnt cir just tera to resist my strikes?

[hollow latch]

cir?

[molten oasis]

Into water or grass which your restricteds hit for it

[dull ibex]

alright

and ig I can bring when they can reliably stop tr

[molten oasis]

Yeah

CIR Kyogre as well, I’d take shifu there

[dull ibex]

I do prefer fast mode when they bring tr

[molten oasis]

They boost your shifu so

[hollow latch]

what pokemon is cir?

[solid frigate]

Calyrex ice

[dull ibex]

Calyrex Ice Rider

[hollow latch]

thanks

[dull ibex]

I might try it with incin as well though

[hollow latch]

only have violet and that means shadow rider (plus dont have the plant, psycho guy unlocked)

[dull ibex]

maybe i can run a wacky incin

like helping hand or something

[solid frigate]

You could ask for trades

Also plant you mean Amoonguss?

Cuz Calyrex is not a plant it’s a deer/rabbit hybrid King lol

[hollow latch]

nah meant for the rider u need two guy right and only got the ghost horse

[dull ibex]

calyrex is going to be hard to trade for

[hollow latch]

i guess i have to play gen 8 sometime xD

[dull ibex]

Pokemon is pay to win

can I suggest rentals?

[solid frigate]

I kinda got one free from a friend because I’m using CIR

[dull ibex]

I might trade for another

[solid frigate]

Cool shit

[hollow latch]

ik about rentals but goal is build with my own mons. hope its understandable

but thanks fr

[dull ibex]

thats alot of work that is preventing you from just playing and getting better

[hollow latch]

fair point and i really can understand u. still i would like to have team that i can accees even in the next gen.

most basic stuff i got

only stuff i am missing are the legendarys sadly but i will look into some trades^^

only need zacien and like i said caly the rest i got with iv and everything

[dull ibex]

evs too?

[hollow latch]

ye got the inc and rilla from events and trained them plus urishfu IV should be fine to

kyogre i am not sure but should matter as much in the lower ranks

[dull ibex]

it really does matter

even in lower ranks

[stone trellis]

Calyrex Ice Rider.

[molten oasis]

I’m not home but I could probably just give you one

I have 4 lol

[stone trellis]

4 what, Zacians?

[molten oasis]

Yuh

[dull ibex]

you got any extra calyrexs?

lmao

[molten oasis]

2 from SWSH reruns, and 2 shinies

[hollow latch]

if u really want. u dont have to man. i will definitly find a way for someone to trade it.

[stone trellis]

I can get some extra Calyrexes.

[molten oasis]

Nope sorry, I can get some tho

[molten oasis]

Nah I don’t mind I’m gonna use my go shiny zacian

[dull ibex]

no its fine I just want an extra for shadow rider stuff

[molten oasis]

If I’m ever running zacian I’m playing the shiny one

Plus I rerun SWSH every so often it’s not hard to get another one

[hollow latch]

btw the shini event for miraidon was only in the US and japan right

[molten oasis]

Think so?

[hollow latch]

ahhhh why cant EU player get something good? one time gamefreak

[bold geode]

No wonder you're so bad

[dull ibex]

Shut it

[bold geode]

No you

[dull ibex]

Monke you keep making fun of me I'll do something drastic

Like using mudsdale

[bold geode]

Do it

I love to watch you suffer

[dull ibex]

Then why aren't you in vc more 🤔

[bold geode]

I have this crazy thing called a j*b

[hollow latch]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-anguish-despair-gif-13915908866750092639

oh wait gif doesnt work damn

[solid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-fail-epic-embed-fail-shadow-the-hedgehog-shadow-silver-the-hedgehog-gif-22528367

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-gif-400062707846796155

[hollow latch]

[dull ibex]

Ignore dollar he's a bottom tier helper anyways

[bold geode]

There was a regional today?

[dull ibex]

There was?

[bold geode]

Oh it's LATAM, no wonder I didn't know

[bold geode]

Idk if I can help you tbh

I only have so many bandaids

[molten oasis]

Wow

[bold geode]

Hey they're even Hello Kitty bro

But just not enough

[molten oasis]

Wild

[dull ibex]

Help yourself first

[bold geode]

Still not enough bandaids

Where do you think all my bandaids went to begin with

[foggy lodge]

https://www.pokedata.ovh/standingsVGC/0000175/masters/

Curitiba teams are up for anyone that still cares about reg F for some reason

[bold geode]

Bro I have the perfect job for you

You can go to college and become a dentist

And just make a living as that one dentist that doesn't recommend jack shit

[dull ibex]

why is bloodmoon worse then physical ursa?

[bold geode]

Cuz regular Ursaluna is a Trick Room Pokemon on fucking steroids

[lofty tartan]

Reg Ursa is basically a third restricted unto itself.

[dense latch]

why are there so many cornerstones what did i miss

[lofty tartan]

Best Rock stab and Sturdy, is my guess

[dense latch]

it wasnt seeing much usage at the beginning of reg f 2 i didn’t expect it to be on so many teams all of a sudden

[lofty tartan]

Just looking in the top few teams I see a bunch of stuff that gets demolished by Rock Cudgel

[dense latch]

dodgedozo 6-2 ew

[lofty tartan]

I played Dozo/Snow 2-2-2 once upon a time. It's funny to see it here

My last 2 were DeeDee/Crown

[dense latch]

i meant the drifblim one further down at 17th but i guess snow dozo does fit dodgedozo too lmao

[foggy lodge]

It just won seattle

[dense latch]

i’ve heard drifblim dozo be referred to as that on twitter by the ppl that brought it to regionals

[foggy lodge]

And its a good counterpick against hearthflame and Tornadus

[near crag]

Any thoughts on this zacian pagos team: https://pokepast.es/eb73cbf330031074 ? I thought of two modes: torn ursh to help against koraidon, and amoonguss chi yu to help against csr zam. Disregard the evs

[bold geode]

So I was playing Wolfe's Worlds team (just cuz I wanted to try out Koraidon Lunala and I like teams like that)
Bro

It is actually fucking disgusting what a Lunala and an Ursaluna can do next to each other

Ursaluna calcs make me throw up in my mouth

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/3dac857b78702d6b\\ heres a paste

[dull ibex]

👀

I JUST LOST TO A DAMN ESPEON

[bold geode]

Get fucked

[dull ibex]

monke is mushroom anti synergy with this team?

I was reccomended indeedee f but eh idk

feels a bit redundant

[bold geode]

Yes and no

Yes in that Spore is blocked
No in that well

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
See for you no offense

But do you actually have the brainpower to delay your own terrain in needed moments

[dull ibex]

im not sure

its something I could be taught

[bold geode]

That's what you gotta do

[dull ibex]

do you think im better off keeping volc?

[bold geode]

Unfortunately idk how to do it myself
But that's what would need to be done if you used shroom

I wouldn't use Indeedee

[bold geode]

Your call

[dull ibex]

Im not sure because its not clicking struggle bug anymore

"psychic seed farig tanks a lot and it gives priority blocking in matchups where indeedee is bad"

this was in response to me saying indeedee farig felt redundant

[bold geode]

Where is this from

[dull ibex]

the only other vgc chat i use

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/green-alien-cat-green-alien-cat-meme-cat-rage-meme-angry-alien-cat-gif-16978295465898295971

[dull ibex]

the discord for r/vgc

[bold geode]

How many times do we have to teach this lesson old man

R/VGC is no bueno

[dull ibex]

im not leaving that discord until they tell me something agregiously stupid

[bold geode]

They kind of have been

Honestly whatever they tell you I'd do the fucking opposite

[molten oasis]

Dawg nobody is playing psychic seed Fari

[dull ibex]

they 've been telling me my team is super standard

[molten oasis]

There’s electric seed Fari

[dull ibex]

which is the goal

[bold geode]

Anyways what is it clicking and is it still contributing value

[dull ibex]

mostly rage powder

and fiery dance sometimes

[bold geode]

Is that still giving you value?

[dull ibex]

sometimes yeah

but I feel like amoongus can do the same

[bold geode]

Then maybe it's not the Pokemon that's the issue

It's just that you gotta figure out another move for that slot

[molten oasis]

You can try tw if you feel like struggle bug isn’t that good

[dull ibex]

I think tailwind will be a deadslot

[molten oasis]

I think struggle bug was like, fine when I was using it

[dull ibex]

for me specifically

[molten oasis]

Wisp?

[bold geode]

Only one way to find out

Also there's Wisp yeah

[dull ibex]

wisp I can try

struggle bug isnt the probelm its me for sure

but id rather build around my playing if that makes any sense

[molten oasis]

Well, I didn’t really click struggle bug much when I tried Volc tbf

[bold geode]

But don't be like "oh this Mon isn't clicking one move, I should change what Pokemon is there" or "oh so and so said this was better than this so I should immediately change my team"

Figure out what works for you

If something is working, keep going with it

[dull ibex]

I was thinking about wisp on incin anyways

[bold geode]

If it ain't, ask yourself why

[dull ibex]

so wisp here could be great into cir

[bold geode]

This is part of teambuilding Red and part of being a better player

[molten oasis]

Trust me

I used to do that all the time, it’s not a good habit

[bold geode]

Not only playing
But being able to figure out when stuff is good/working and when/why it ain't

[dull ibex]

alot of my choices so far have been my own btw

well okay physical luna wasn't my choice

[molten oasis]

Hell I still do that sometimes but I’ll usually pull back on it

[molten oasis]

Physical Luna’s just, smth else

[dull ibex]

but when im told something is just better then bloodmoon I need to listen lmao

[molten oasis]

Weeeelllll

[bold geode]

Yeah but also I've seen you be influenced a bit much by others being like "oh yeah you could do this"

[bold geode]

But is it better for your team specifically

[molten oasis]

I think yes and no for that

[dull ibex]

probably yeah

[bold geode]

Yeah but see did you ask yourself that beforehand Red

[molten oasis]

In a general sense, yes ursa is better, but maybe for you Bloodmoon is better yk?

[dull ibex]

thats fiar

im going to try both

[bold geode]

You need to ask yourself is it worth it before making changes or is it potentially worth it

[dull ibex]

thats fair

[bold geode]

Cuz like here for example, one thing can be better than another in a vacuum but specific teams sometimes can call for specific things

[molten oasis]

It’s also good to know when stuff isn’t working or if it’s you

[dull ibex]

what convinced me to change it was that it was being a tera hog

and needed tera to do as much damage as it could

[molten oasis]

Bloodmoon?

[dull ibex]

bloodmoon yeah

[molten oasis]

Yeah, it’s a big Tera sync

[bold geode]

Or and hear me out
It could also not tera and chip

But that's game reliant

[molten oasis]

I do feel like you want your Tera for ice rider generally

[dull ibex]

yeah true

[molten oasis]

That typing defensively is pretty bad

[dull ibex]

anyone wanna do a set btw?

[molten oasis]

Not rn, not in a great mood, dealing with stupid shit rn

[dull ibex]

fair enough

[brisk crater]

You still down?

[dull ibex]

after this ladder game sure

[dull ibex]

im down

[brisk crater]

Whats the code

[dull ibex]

2634 2634

doubles

does grimmsnarl learn taunt?

[near crag]

yeah

[dull ibex]

Ggs

may give incin taunt after this set

[brisk crater]

I was ordering jack in the box and wasnt looking😭 ggs

[solid frigate]

Yeah but mostly not Grimmsnarl who uses taunt

[dull ibex]

maybe incin

[brisk crater]

Holy blunder on my part😭

[dull ibex]

draco meteor is great

[solid frigate]

Taunt Incin > Taunt Grimm yeah

Grimm has a lot more moves benefit it more

[brisk crater]

True

[dull ibex]

ggs glacial

[brisk crater]

Ggs

[hollow latch]

Would u been down to trade. I would trade a legit shiny or any other legendary for it.

[dull ibex]

for what mon

[warm estuary]

#trading_sv or #trading_sv_shiny I think is were you should ask

[hollow latch]

oh meant drago my bad. mistipped

[dull ibex]

For a zacian?

[hollow latch]

ye he said he would be down to give one yesterday

[dull ibex]

Alright

[hollow latch]

Kyogre @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
IVs: 0 Atk

• Water Spout
• Thunder
• Ice Beam
• Origin Pulse

Archaludon @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
Tera Type: Flying

• Body Press
• Draco Meteor
• Electro Shot
• Tera Blast

Zacian-Crowned @ Rusted Sword
Ability: Intrepid Sword
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy

• Behemoth Blade
• Close Combat
• Play Rough
• Crunch

Rillaboom @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
Tera Type: Grass

• Knock Off
• Grassy Glide
• Fake Out
• Protect

Roaring Moon @ Booster Energy
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy

• Tailwind
• Iron Head
• Knock Off
• Outrage

Urshifu-Rapid-Strike @ Mystic Water
Ability: Unseen Fist
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water

• Aqua Jet
• Close Combat
• Surging Strikes
• Protect

could something like that work?

idk about terra typ/item for moon, rilla or zacian

idk about crunch for zacien but ye

ah was thinking maybe replace 1 move from rilla with u-turn

[molten oasis]

Give kyogre splash plate

Rilla needs wood hammer over knock off, and u-turn over protect

[hollow latch]

what is the multiplicator?

[molten oasis]

1.2 just like mystic water

[hollow latch]

okey then i got the se already

[molten oasis]

Tera flying moon with acro over iron head and drop outage for protect

[hollow latch]

perfect and should i put then 1 protect on kyogre

[hollow latch]

i see

[molten oasis]

Kyogre goes spout, pulse, then ice beam/thunder/hydro pump

Make sure moon is speed booster

[hollow latch]

okey thanks a lot ^^

scammer really

[molten oasis]

Zacian goes Behemoth Blade, Play rough, then either Tera blast scared sword or swords dance, and protect

<@&663761167176433665>

[hollow latch]

what terre typ would u give zacian?

[molten oasis]

Ground or water

[hollow latch]

okey

[molten oasis]

IF you do Tera blast

Otherwise fairy

Ogre grass Tera

Rilla fire or water Tera

Archaludon isn’t gonna accomplish much here, is that smth you’re trying to keep?

[dull haven]

Handled

[molten oasis]

Rilla really wants the assault vest

[hollow latch]

ye ik in this meta its bad but the goal was to build around it

[molten oasis]

Uhhhhh

I’m just, gonna be real arch is not really a good Mon next to Zacogre and moon

Arch is a pelipper or tornadus kinda guy, Pao, Lando, Bolt, or Hands would be better there

[hollow latch]

should i use pelliper and replace kyogre with rider?

xD

[molten oasis]

That, isn’t really solving anything either

Uh, I guess you go tornadus here instead

[bold geode]

#trading_sv
We don't do trades in this chat really

[hollow latch]

my bad i did a mistik and marked u. meant drago because he said something yesterday my bad for the confusion and bringing it up

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/Val_Mew/status/2032863782251413937?s=20

みゅーりー (@Val_Mew)

再戦以外パオ→カミウーラで15勝1敗でした！
#ディンカイサーフパオカミウーラ

X · Mar 14, 2026, 4:57 PM

tf is japan doing

[waxen dock]

bulky cpao

thats the new meta

[shy warren]

yo my friend is hosting a mono tournament on showdown, its in like 2hrs ngl, so if u wanna make or have a team DM me to join up

[bold geode]

#1046572041421197352 is the best spot for this

[dull ibex]

Incin is a good answer to terapogos

I like taunting them

[fresh ingot]

hey guys quick question can i play a limitless tournament with rentals ? i forgot it#

[foggy lodge]

Yes you can

What you can't play with rentals are official tournaments

[solid frigate]

even without taunt its still act as a good check to it

parting shot knock off type shii

[molten oasis]

Yippee I’m getting better at bo3’s

[dull ibex]

Fair

[dull ibex]

new team idea

I try amoongus over volc for a bit

because I want to learn delaying my terrain

and i give incin wisp

@bold geodesomeone suggested I don't need cir and ursaluna on the team

maybe this discord is a little silly

I could be convinced to run torkoal as my second abuser though

i've been eyeing it

[bold geode]

So you're tryna run Mirai CIR

And they suggested you don't run CIR

[solid frigate]

Literally why they suggest that when Miraidon CIR is like one of the 2 best pairing for Miraidon

[bold geode]

@dull ibex did I get that correct

[foggy lodge]

If you are considering Torkoal maybe you just want to run hard TR xd

[dull ibex]

they suggested I dont run rursa

I suggest volc for amoongus isn't a big change

[bold geode]

Ok but you mentioned the Ice Rider

[dull ibex]

its one redirector to another

[bold geode]

Did they say not to run the Ice Rider

[dull ibex]

"volc is a fiery bug sweeper" no its not

[dull ibex]

no

[bold geode]

Or was it don't run Ursa WITH the Ice Rider

[dull ibex]

correct

[bold geode]

Ok that I can sorta agree on tbh

[solid frigate]

It can run both-

[bold geode]

Also it can be but your team isn't really equipped for that

[dull ibex]

ok but my volc isn't

changing to amoongus objectively isn't a massive change here

[bold geode]

Like the sweeper ones you see were on like Zamazenta Miraidon comps where there were Quiver Dance sets

[dull ibex]

and tera grass giga drain yeah?

[bold geode]

It can work but once again you gotta be able to delay terrain in some cases for Spore

[dull ibex]

I want to learn that skill

[bold geode]

That or Bug Buzz

[dull ibex]

bug buzz is funny

[bold geode]

Literally it's reading board states and having a brain LMAO

Like putting it plain and dry

[dull ibex]

having a brain?

we don't do that here

[bold geode]

Y'know what I mean

Yeah I know that

Oh it was just 1160

But for a moment I was #370 in the BO3 ladder with Mimikyu

[dull ibex]

i've been enjoying tr as my primary game plan

the hard tr team is too hard to pilot tbh

[bold geode]

Hard TR isn't too great in I

It's better for cases like Tailroom or general speed control

[dense latch]

i used qd volc with cir mirai for a while in reg i

it's pretty good but the mdb version with lando instead is better imo

[bold geode]

I just think it was better with Zam Mirai which like btw

[foggy lodge]

qd volc lowkey solves half of miraidon's mus

[bold geode]

That duo actually blows now

[dense latch]

https://pokepast.es/dfcf656b98eefb0f

[bold geode]

It's so fucking bad

[dense latch]

volc is nice for zama

you have the tools to enable it

[bold geode]

I hate Volcarona

[dense latch]

i think kiran singh ran this six in a few vr tours

[foggy lodge]

#skillissue

[bold geode]

I stg Volcarona is a dogshit Pokemon and everyone is delusional yet it keeps doing too well for me to prove it

[foggy lodge]

#skillissue

[dense latch]

actually he brought it to worlds lol

https://pokepast.es/a78d4fde989cbb8b

[bold geode]

But yeah honestly I think the reason why Zam Mirai doesn't work as well now is cuz of the fact that the restricted don't pair as well

[dense latch]

i had a bit of fun with that pairing

[foggy lodge]

gang play groudon

Groudon is lowkey insane in this meta

As long as you hit enough pblades

[dense latch]

conner log off maxi's account

[foggy lodge]

I'm just conner 2.0

[bold geode]

Deadass

[foggy lodge]

I'm part of the groudon gang

[bold geode]

I thought about playing Gravity Sash CSR with Groudon

[dense latch]

i still cant believe cir's placed highest with koraidon at worlds lmao

[dull ibex]

oh mak do you want a paste of the team?

[bold geode]

Koraidon is fucking stupid

Koraidon CIR is actually pretty crazy too

I was playing Wolfe's Worlds team recently

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/3559a0e341272159

[bold geode]

Life Orb on Koraidon is unholy

I had to pray for forgiveness after that session

[dull ibex]

if anyone hasn't seen the team yet

[bold geode]

Also like

Why did it take me so long

To try Lunala Ursaluna

WHO DESIGNED URSALUNA

[dense latch]

lunala ursaluna is so busted

[dull ibex]

whats do you think monke is amoongus is a really big change here?

[foggy lodge]

There was no way that that duo wasn't good

[bold geode]

Eh not really

[foggy lodge]

Being able to click glacial lance flare blitz in the same turn should be illegal

[bold geode]

Honestly I think it was also cuz Sun was always just so damn strong in the Reg I meta

Like it somehow was always a good meta call at the very least

[dull ibex]

Its not even an issue with the team

there's no issue so far

I just thought healing would be nice in endgames

[foggy lodge]

Because both sun restricteds were good into most of the meta restricteds

Korai and Groudon are both good into CSR Zama

Korai is good into Kyogre and Groudon into Miraidon

[dull ibex]

monke are you sure cir lunala isn't the play here?

I see wide guard and moonblasts and im like hmmm

[bold geode]

I mean if you REALLY wanna do Hard TR but I wouldn't recommend it

[dull ibex]

Could we fit wide guard somewhere on this team?

eh maybe ill stick to just swapping volc for amoongus first

what do i do into mirror cirs btw?

[dense latch]

what am i playing

skill swap malamar btw that's why defenses rose

[molten oasis]

Tf lol

[rustic mountain]

did u lose

[dense latch]

volc chipped it down

i might as well never play again if i lose to that

[molten oasis]

I ran into stall on bo3 today

I won but it was so annoying

[dense latch]

but i've been struggling hard into the fede campo team

[molten oasis]

Which team was that?

[rustic mountain]

[dense latch]

mirai lunala ursa something something

i just remember those three bc those are the only three they need

ursh incin whim

[rustic mountain]

idk man ive lost to some weird shit over the years, it can happen

[dense latch]

yea maybe not ever again but i'd stop the grind there to reflect

[rustic mountain]

[dense latch]

i lost to lanturn discharge spam in reg f

[molten oasis]

Oh that

[rustic mountain]

usually its like, ok u got this 1 it wont happen again for like bo1 cheese

[molten oasis]

The team to beat

[rustic mountain]

thats how i approach it

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regibo3-2559850448-nyxwl5r6llo0a93rkyt9q4ghnpd79nqpw this g2 fucking sucked

[dense latch]

the community really needs champions

this has to be a sign of vgc recession

[foggy lodge]

LMFAO

I didn't see that message and i was like "man why have they been playing stabmons the whole day"

[dense latch]

honestly shoutout to the admin that came up with that

"we should honor julius caesar by playing vgc" was probably thought of or said for the first time ever

[rustic mountain]

what did i even just read

[dense latch]

eruption chiyu

astral barrage flutter

glacial lance pao

spore whimsicott

seems balanced enough

[molten oasis]

Very very balanced ofc

[foggy lodge]

Decorate spore Whimsicott btw

[dense latch]

dnite gets a flying type move

[molten oasis]

Decorate your CSR, so balanced

[dense latch]

also prevo types count too

like i'm seeing boomburst blood moon sylveon

[foggy lodge]

Tclap regieleki

[dense latch]

thunderclap raging bolt man that's probably crazy

giving a pokemon with that much bulk and that much spatk a strong priority move would be insane

[foggy lodge]

True

[molten oasis]

True

[foggy lodge]

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FixupX · Mar 15, 2026, 8:10 PM

[molten oasis]

Is he being weighed? lmao

[foggy lodge]

yes lmao

I love this video so much

[molten oasis]

It’s peak

[dense latch]

what is being cooked here

[foggy lodge]

Scarf fissure groudon trust

Doesn't fissure miss always if you are faster?

[dense latch]

skill swap chain give it no guard 🔥

[foggy lodge]

Skill swap chains are so funny man

[dense latch]

all fun and games until your chain is broken and the opposing csr is +3

[foggy lodge]

Blame it on rng

[molten oasis]

True

[dull ibex]

my brute bonnet needs a spread

[foggy lodge]

What are you using now

[dull ibex]

nOTHING

I need a spread

I was thinking max hp and attack

found a spread

https://pokepast.es/1ca1982be7eae368

[rustic mountain]

-8ball will champions come out by mid april?

[gentle crag]

will champions come out by mid april?
:8ball: It is decidedly so

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

-8ball should I use Delphox when champions comes out?

[gentle crag]

should I use Delphox when champions comes out?
:8ball: Cannot predict now

[molten oasis]

-8ball will I use Delphox when champions comes out

[gentle crag]

will I use Delphox when champions comes out
:8ball: Ask again later

[molten oasis]

wtf

[foggy lodge]

April 9th trust

[molten oasis]

My questions won’t be answered today

[dense latch]

how much more do i need to talk here to use 8ball

[molten oasis]

I dunno

[dense latch]

-8ball can i use you yet

:(

[foggy lodge]

-8ball hi

nooo

[dense latch]

8ball hates latinos apparently wow

[molten oasis]

Maybe / 8ball works?

[dense latch]

nope i get an error message

[molten oasis]

Sad

-8ball I waited a bit, should I use Delphox in champions?

[gentle crag]

I waited a bit, should I use Delphox in champions?
:8ball: Very doubtful

[molten oasis]

Metagross here I come

[foggy lodge]

Double mega🙏

[rustic mountain]

i think mball +

for 8ball

or if ur staff

used to b really low rank iirc then ppl abused the shit outta it

[dense latch]

oh ok not that far off

not sure how long 12 levels will take me tho

[molten oasis]

-8ball will mega golispod get a new ability?

[gentle crag]

will mega golispod get a new ability?
:8ball: Outlook not so good

[leaden fox]

I think Mega Golisopod will get a different ability; makes no sense to give it Emergency Exit 😂

We’ll have a better idea what abilities all the new Megas have; just hoping for good ones dependent on their stats and typings 😅

Well; when Home ZA compatibility and likely Champions drops

[leaden fox]

I wonder how good certain new Megas will be; especially wanting to know about Meganium and Absol Z

[indigo coral]

I can't see Meganium being good, even with the new Mega. The movepool and stats are still not great compared to most of the other new Megas

[forest arrow]

Dude I’ve been grinding shalphas the past week for champions, I’m so done with this damn dlc lol

[forest arrow]

Brute Bonnet @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 132 Def / 116 SpD / 4 Spe
Impish Nature

• Seed Bomb
• Sucker Punch
• Rage Powder
• Spore

This is Jamie Boyts spread

forgot what it lived but it was used by many

[bold geode]

Honestly a good ability can save it

The stats are actually in the right places imo and the typing isn't bad either

Like it's not the worst

It's not a top dog by any means but it's actually pretty usable unless it has a bad ability

Also you wall out both Urshifus which becomes relevant at some point

[solid frigate]

And Bolt

But then again Zard Y

With that bulk does it live at least one heat wave

[solid frigate]

252 SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Heat Wave vs. 252 HP / 76 SpD Meganium-Mega in Sun: 336-396 (92.3 - 108.7%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

Yeah no bro is cooked-

[bold geode]

I mean it's Zard Y

That's Chi Yu on steroids

[solid frigate]

You probably need way too much bulk to even get a 50% living chance

It could wall bolt but at what cost

[bold geode]

I mean you got 5 other guys

[solid frigate]

Fair enough

[bold geode]

It's still a leech Seed guy but like
Actually usable

Really the only other thing that makes it not worth running if you want the Leech Seed guy is like

1. What mons are around
2. Is Mega Venu just better

[solid frigate]

Again Abilities still matter at the end of the day

Thick fat Mega Venu is so much better on that role

but i'd say it can be niche mon tthat fills the role differently

[bold geode]

Still besides abilities like
I think Mega Meganium is a mega they actually executed very well

[solid frigate]

you mean turning a weak mon into something useable?

[bold geode]

I mean yeah

Problem is like
Hell all the starter megas need a good ability LOL

And I mean like a real good one

Like we're working with scraps here, we need all the help we can get

[foggy lodge]

2/3 starters megas kept their abilities

Pack it up guys

[dapper crag]

Tactical Retreat. Does the exact same thing just more aura

[bold geode]

And the one that didn't got cooked

[dapper crag]

I love Mega Meganium but it’s probably not gonna be a top tier pick bc its movepool is still absolute shit. I’m curious what ability it gets, but there’s zero chance base is ever being run over mega

[dapper crag]

I’m curious how Levitate Mega Delphox will work out. No more ground weakness is nice but no psychic terrain benefits for a psychic mon that learns Expanding Force is a big string attached.

[bold geode]

Singles is good

In VGC? Like it's not horrible

But it ain't all that

Like maybe if you really don't wanna use Zard Y then you can use Mega Delphox but once the power level goes up even a hair then it just probably disappears

[dapper crag]

Yeah like it’s definitely getting some decent usage but it’s not what it could’ve been for better or worse

[bold geode]

It's a low power format mega that probably honestly still gets outdone by others

[dapper crag]

And low power as in no legendary, sublegends, mythicals, UB’s, and paradoxes right?

[bold geode]

Basically like Reg H or Reg A in SV where either yeah no legendaries or paradoxes/Pokemon like that or like a beginning of the game only regional dex format

[dapper crag]

Right. In that case, again definitely viable just not a staple

Greninja would definitely be OP if Protean wasn’t nerfed but I’m confident mega>base

Obviously I’m not acknowledging Battle Bond

[bold geode]

Honestly even if it could use spread E Force it would probably be the same but like without it you're probably even getting outdone in low power

Cuz you needed that to differentiate yourself from other Fire type megas

[dapper crag]

Really

And now since it can’t use the terrain it’s gotta watch for Sucker Punch

Which new megas do you think will be top contenders?

[foggy lodge]

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X · Mar 16, 2026, 4:01 PM

ok lmao no release date but a notebook

[bold geode]

Not sure tbh

Don't know the abilities and the thing is like
They can make or break

[dapper crag]

I have no confidence in Pyroar or Scolipede

Sucks since I love Scolipede and its mega

Malamar too ^

I think besides those three everyone’s got a chance of SOME usage

[bold geode]

Malamar is horrible

[dapper crag]

And I’ll probably try to run Scolipede for the fuck of it

[bold geode]

That's one I can say

Genuinely it's so bad people are tryna convince themselves it's ability will set up Trick Room on switch in

[dapper crag]

Copium because it looks really cool

[bold geode]

No it does not

[dapper crag]

I like it

Any other no confidence picks?

[bold geode]

Scovillain

[dapper crag]

I forgot about Scovillain. No wonder

[bold geode]

Has two good offensive stats but no way to use them

[solid frigate]

Mega Malamar and Pyroar

Most miserable and most mid stat wise

[dapper crag]

Yeah Scovillain is embarrassingly bad

[bold geode]

It has Gen 3 syndrome

Where they made it a mixed attacker cuz they couldn't decide what stat to pick

And then gave it nothing else

[dapper crag]

It didn’t get the stats it needed

[bold geode]

Like you're not fast enough even if it keeps Chlorophyll and if you're using a Sun mega anyways just use Mega Zard Y or even like Mega Venu so you can use base Venu

And it's not tanky enough to attack turn after turn

And you gotta be able to do one of those two things

[dapper crag]

I know you voiced quite a lot of concern in Garchomp Z but I have a lot of faith in all three Z’s

I think Crab and Golisopod will both be fantastic if they get good abilities, especially in trick room

Since no one talks about them, what about Dragalge or Drampa?

[leaden fox]

At least we know that the "No CP during events" until a set date is mentioned 😅

[bold geode]

See so here's the thing about the Z megas
So MAYBE JUST MAYBE
They work with like Dondozo Tatsugiri comps cuz like
Those do like to have fast hard hitters

But the thing is none of them really have any good spread attacks

So they all become redirection fodder technically especially cuz they're also so frail due to how min maxed they are

And you really don't want to use your one time mechanic to fire off one singular attack and then get deleted

[dapper crag]

No spread options is definitely an issue in doubles

[bold geode]

That's why stuff like Mega Kang was good for example cuz you couldn't remove them in one hit 99% of the time

[dapper crag]

Oh yeah speaking of Tatsugiri we think its mega has potential?

[solid frigate]

They are like only considerably good in singles (I still can’t forgive they removed Garchomp’s Ground typing)

[bold geode]

Meh not horrible but you probably rather have a mega that's not Tatsu to soften up shit

[dapper crag]

I’d think to use Mega Tatsugiri after Dondozo gets taken out but it really depends what its ability is

[bold geode]

Cuz those comps have one or two things

1. You soften stuff up with hard hitter or remove stuff then they can't handle boosted Dozo or
2. You soften up with Dozo and clean up with hard hitter

Which is why for example I mentioned how the Z megas could work with Dozogiri

Like Mega Tatsu isn't horrible but you probably just want another mega for this and tbh a Tatsu with Sash or Scarf can probably exert the same late game pressure the mega can

[dapper crag]

What about Glimmora? Does it have any chance of being optimal?

[solid frigate]

You mostly want meteor beam set for now since it hits a lot harder

[bold geode]

Maybe
Depends on if it can outperform the Meteor Beam one

See the main thing that makes megas good or bad is really resource management

Cuz like
You can only mega once per game and the rules probably only allow like two Pokemon on a team capable of mega evolving and even if they allow more you probably don't see more than 2 anyways

So not only is the question "is the mega good"
It's "is it worth using over the base form" or "is it worth using this mega over another mega"

[dapper crag]

Oh yeah 100% that’s what I mean when I’m discussing these unless they’re objectively ass

[solid frigate]

Or both in question as well

Cuz something like Mega Meganium vs Mega Venusaur and Base Meganium

Sure it’s better than base for sure but it’s relatively worse than mega venu

Again this is just one example

[bold geode]

Hell honestly the question even comes up with using a mega over another Pokemon

[dapper crag]

Oh yeah it’s not even close, Venusaur can do whatever it wants

If I see a Meganium roll up on the field it’s mega evolving immediately, but it’s probably not gonna be anything groundbreaking

[next stump]

Unseen Fist Meganium

[solid frigate]

The thing is that people can either justify using the mega pretty well or can’t even justify it

[dapper crag]

It’s that black and white?

[solid frigate]

Drampa vs Crabominable is also another example

[dapper crag]

Yeah I was asking about Drampa

[next stump]

When was the last VGC mega legal format? Was it 2019 or 2016

I always forget

[solid frigate]

2019

[dapper crag]

Forever ago

[next stump]

Let me see if I can pull up usage stats from that time period

[dapper crag]

Also what’s the chances Mega Crab gets Gorilla Tactics?

[solid frigate]

Both are Hard TR Sweepers with great Base mon abilities,Crabominable is slightly better

However both could genuinely be justifiable on using it.

[dapper crag]

What about Dragalge?

[solid frigate]

Since Drampa’s abilities one of them negates spore,one of them negates weather

[solid frigate]

Also depends if Life Orb Adaptability is worse than this

[dapper crag]

Sap Sipper blocks spore?

[solid frigate]

Yeah it’s a grass move

[dapper crag]

I thought it was only damaging grass moves

[solid frigate]

Sap sipper stops any grass moves targeting it

Not just damage moves

So something like Stun Spore and Leech Seed (IIRC) are immune

[dapper crag]

Nice

[next stump]

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