#competitive_discussion

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bold geode
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How do the crayons taste

molten oasis
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And reg f 2 sucks lol

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Primarina also never clicked enough

bold geode
shadow wind
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Why does GWeezing’s signature move confuse when Misty terrain prevents confusions

brisk crater
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Unless you are using misty terrain with weezing then idk

shadow wind
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The question was around it having Misty terrain and a signature move that confuses yes

molten oasis
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Bro I’m in beginner tier

brisk crater
molten oasis
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Nah Zacogre

sudden remnant
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zacian the god doggo

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sorry i mean Pombon the sword doggo i see that pfp

strange juniper
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vgc players descend on orlando regionals. it's the first weekend in april. there is no pokemon champions release date. no future format announced. there is no regulation at all

you sit across from your opponent for round 1. you hand them your teamsheet with six sash CSR on it

shadow wind
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Yknow I’m kinda shocked imprison transform Smeargle didn’t see more play in the restricted formats of SV

solid frigate
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Then again you kinda have to be on field and 2 turn setup

dull ibex
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I thought everyone was in masterball ngl

bold geode
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@strange juniper imma say something spicy you ready

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I'll be so glad

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And I mean SO glad

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When everyone stops pretending like Volcarona is a good Pokemon

dull ibex
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its a fine mon

bold geode
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Absolute dogshit

dull ibex
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did you lose to one or something

bold geode
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Absolute dogshit Pokemon

bold geode
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Actually no no

dull ibex
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why is volc bad?

bold geode
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I've lost to a Jigglypuff before
Is Jigglypuff good?

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I'm actually not lying on that one either, I was playing the Reg I ladder and well uh

dull ibex
solid frigate
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I hate it

bold geode
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Let's just say idk enough about Jigglypuff KEKW

bold geode
dull ibex
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anyways tera makes it resists surging strikes and burn the urshifu back

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and its a zama counter

bold geode
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Yeah no honestly I feel like you gotta be a top tier fucking encyclopedia of knowledge to use Shadow Rider in a CTS format

dull ibex
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btw monke are you struggling on ladder too?>

bold geode
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Cuz shitslop McGee gonna throw like the most random ass Pokemon at you that you're not convinced is even a Pokemon

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And you're gonna be like "aw shit, that's a Normal type"

molten oasis
bold geode
dull ibex
bold geode
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I honestly don't care about SV rn

dull ibex
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is it?

bold geode
molten oasis
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Everyone is waiting for champions

molten oasis
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Now? Idk tbh

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Once champions comes out SV dies

dull ibex
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well rn scarlet and violet are dying games

solid frigate
molten oasis
bold geode
molten oasis
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When that isn’t the case it’s dead

dull ibex
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wait monke

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so volc is a dogshit pokemon

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does that mean I should replace it with ursaluna 👀

molten oasis
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Yes

bold geode
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Don't just replace shit cuz someone else said something

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Don't be a sheep fuckhead

next stump
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volcarona is a beast on CIR teams

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it carried me so hard in reg I

bold geode
dull ibex
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come watch me suck at this game

bold geode
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But every time I use the damn thing no matter what, I never think it's valuable

molten oasis
bold geode
dull ibex
bold geode
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Thank God

molten oasis
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Oh Volc on that team is fine

bold geode
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Red we should play a cart set in a bit

dull ibex
sudden remnant
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im still picking gecqua tho

next stump
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this is my old paste

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volcarona was very good into zama/CSR and Koraidon

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pretty bad everywhere else

dull ibex
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I still haven't fixed my grimm snarl lmao

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why koraidon?

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I Struggle a little bit into koraidon and sun teams so some piloting tips would be useful

next stump
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Volcarona + TR setter means you can get trick room up really easily in that matchup if you commit tera dragon (don’t always have to)

dull ibex
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how is my volc set?

next stump
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They run the risk of burning themselves + take insane recoil from rocky helmet + flare blitz

dull ibex
next stump
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You don’t need the speed in my opinion unless there’s something you’re specifically aiming to outspeed

dull ibex
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I think it was meant for a setup volc anyways

next stump
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I personally think that grimmsnarl on that kinda team is worse than farig because you don’t have any set up that can take advantage of screens

dull ibex
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mind if i ask what your spread does so i can steal it

next stump
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and Miraidon is super weak to fake out

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So my gameplan into Zama/CSR teams was to get TR up early and pressure down the CSR slot. 36SpA modest Bug Buzz + Foul Play from Farig KOs CSR inside or out of tera (assuming they’re tera dark)

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so you always have that slot pinned down if TR is up

dull ibex
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ok ill slot in my own farig

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which is max hp and spdef?

next stump
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The DEF investment was just to be a bigger wall to stuff like Zama, CIR, and Koraidon

dull ibex
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and a supportive moveset

next stump
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236HP/196DEF/76SpD is what I ran

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But yes full supportive moveset outside of foul play

molten oasis
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I like how Fari gets stronger the power level is

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We love the funny anti prio giraffe

dull ibex
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so does incin

molten oasis
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True, incin moment

dull ibex
next stump
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Sure try out whatever you’d like

dull ibex
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some people get pissy if you don't use their advice

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omg small rant

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No me asking for advice doesn't force to do every single change i am ever told

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and there's nothing wrong with max max

dull ibex
dull ibex
next stump
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yep

sudden remnant
dull ibex
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I've been looking an excuse to run giraffe ngl

bold geode
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Eat shit

dull ibex
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I am down whenever for a set btw

bold geode
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Finna get to it

dull ibex
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after i finish this game

dull ibex
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@next stumphow necessary is fierydance and bug buzz?

shadow wind
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I'm assuming volc?

dull ibex
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yes

next stump
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you need fiery dance IMO or another fire moves

dull ibex
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I am liking struggle bug

winter fox
dull ibex
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we have no idea what the meta of champions will be

winter fox
dull ibex
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no thats not true lmao

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the first format of champions is megas

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so thats already different

winter fox
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Do you really think it's going to be any different with VGC?

dull ibex
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obviously

winter fox
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I can already imagine, Miraidon and Mega Kanga with Iron Hands tearing everything to shreds 😭

dull ibex
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thats still different from what we have now

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also they aren't going to start with restricted

winter fox
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For now...

dull ibex
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idk you are just kinda doomposting for no reasons

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we don't even know if the same restricteds will be legal when that time comes

winter fox
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Because I know the future and the future is Gen 9 meta until 2027

dull ibex
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Venusaur being good again >>>>.

dull ibex
next stump
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oof may 1st reg f???

leaden fox
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Though everyone who doesn’t want to do RegF is pulling out a little 😅

leaden fox
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This circuit is 2025/2026

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Next one will be 2026/2027

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It’s how they usually do it

waxen dock
leaden fox
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Yeah, I know it is a weird aspect; but they tend to do it a lot in everything 😅

waxen dock
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its dupposed to be 2026

bold geode
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See I knew we'd probably just play Reg F for an extra month but hearing it doesn't make me happy now KEKW

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Actually @next stump bro
You imagine people still look at that shit and ask "what format is Orlando guys"

waxen dock
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it can still be champions

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due to this line

leaden fox
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Well we know 1st - 4th May will be GC for Champions; so don’t expect any Champions format until after that 😅

waxen dock
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i hate the cooldown

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its kinda dumb

bold geode
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Imma be real
Orlando gonna be Reg F

waxen dock
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no

bold geode
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It's gonna be Reg F

waxen dock
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no

bold geode
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Don't be in denial buddy

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It's ok

waxen dock
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just cuz in asia pacific they have reg f

leaden fox
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Watch; Champions will be late May for Regionals onwards 😂

waxen dock
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doesn't mean we will also have reg f events

waxen dock
bold geode
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It's ok I know you don't wanna play Reg F anymore buddy it's ok here's your blanky take your binky

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It's gonna be Reg F

waxen dock
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its just my speculation

leaden fox
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Here is me waiting for the next rule set

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For Champions specifically

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Although I do believe I will be running Mega Charizard Y for sure 😁 Maybe another Mega if it lines up well

bold geode
solid frigate
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Bro is traumatised by Iron Crown it’s insane

leaden fox
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Atm; it’s Mega Charizard Y, Torkoal, Ursaluna, Porygon2, Jumpluff & Incineroar 😂

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@bold geode Is there any existing mons you’d like to see get Megas mind you? I may end up saying Primarina with Liquid Voice as it’s Mega ability

foggy lodge
bold geode
bold geode
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Mega Incineroar

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@foggy lodge @solid frigate ayo bro am I seeing this right
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Is that

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A fuckin edible sauce packet?

leaden fox
solid frigate
foggy lodge
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Legit fought 3 psyspam crown in a row

leaden fox
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From what is speculated; no paradox mons will be used in Champions for a good while

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So no Iron Crown hopefully 😅

leaden fox
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Although would love them to add in events for Iron Crown to be available in Scarlet and Raging Bolt in Violet 😂

foggy lodge
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wtf man LMAO

bold geode
dapper crag
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I’d assume there’s about 300-350 at launch and 184 of those are mega evolution families

leaden fox
dapper crag
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We know 146 mons according to the families of all mons shown, 67 from families with megas. If we assume that all mons in mega families are available, that’s 267 mons known. So it’s just the ~30-90 we don’t know

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I’d assume starters and pseudos for starters

dapper crag
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39 of the listed total is starters. There are 81 total, but the unknown includes the Hoenn starters, so that’s up to 296. 7/10 pseudo lines are in, leaving Bagon, Goomy, and Frigibax. Since only Goodra doesn’t have a mega, that only adds an extra 3, so my ASSUMED TOTAL is at 299

bold geode
dapper crag
next stump
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can we have a few months where your option for a fairy type immune to fake out is mimikyu again

dapper crag
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I specifically shiny hunted a 0 attack Flutter Mane. He’s very grumpy

dapper crag
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And if they include the paradoxes

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That’s only 22 mons including the legendary duo and the beasts/swords tbf

rustic mountain
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i really hope we get a low power format to start champions and its not incin rilla indeedee etc in from the jump

dapper crag
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Those are low power mons, this isn’t Smogon

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First season is gonna be focused around megas

next stump
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they’re the best pokemon in the game

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even if their base stats don’t show it

dull ibex
dapper crag
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I’m saying that official formats usually don’t ban mons just because they perform well in a certain ruleset

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It’s completely arbitrary

next stump
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We’re saying don’t include them in the game at first

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They did that with Incin in SV

dapper crag
brisk crater
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Incin is such a bum

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Im tired of playing with and against this thing

next stump
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one of my big semi realistic hopes with a game like champions is that they do more creative rulesets

foggy lodge
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I really hope that that message on the trailers of "pokemon shown may not be available on release" refers to Incin Lol

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But considering Incin is like the ace of one of the NPCs on champions

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Idk man

dapper crag
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Yeah Incineroar is in at launch for sure

foggy lodge
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4th small line

dapper crag
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Guess we’ll see

smoky terrace
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About moves like Whirlpool and Infestation, will the opponent be free from those attacks when the attacker switches out?

next stump
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yes

dapper crag
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It doesn’t make sense that mons shown in the game wouldn’t be there on launch but what do I know

next stump
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I really think they’re going to alter how they’re doing rulesets and what pokemon are allowed

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They should be way more flexible now that pokemon can be added and taken away pretty much instantly

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No need to catch/train/etc. like normal games

smoky terrace
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Still, it'll be nice trying out all kinds of strategies.

dapper crag
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But there’s permanent recruitment, doesn’t that imply that the roster is only going up? That being said we could have specific categories of Pokémon allowed or banned in certain seasons

dull ibex
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@next stump BTW why rock ogerpon over water shifu?

dapper crag
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I don’t think they’re going to target specific mons like Smogon does

next stump
dull ibex
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Ah

rustic mountain
bold geode
rustic mountain
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id like atleast 1 format to start w/ none

bold geode
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Thing is I feel like what should happen is a chance of variety but with it staying as balanced as possible and not a complete shit show
And part of the balancing aspect is "who's allowed"

rustic mountain
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well see, wonder how close to w/e the decided release date will b that they let us know

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id hope for more conscientious planning on format decisions but who knows

foggy lodge
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Skraw tweeted about it and I'm just scared that champions will be just reg H teams + a mega

rustic mountain
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not a great start imo lol

rustic mountain
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i like reg h but after so much time in sv that really wouldnt b my fav, atleast off rip

dapper crag
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That being said I thought I heard we will only be doing megas in the first season, so no tera

bold geode
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Cuz in terms of balancing like some of them gotta be there

dull ibex
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I can't wait for earthquake mega garchomp next to talon

dull ibex
sudden remnant
dull ibex
sudden remnant
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yes yes really

dull ibex
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Anyways

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Monke I really want to use blood moon but not sure I can justify it

bold geode
dapper crag
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I have faith in Z being better

bold geode
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Like unless the ability is absolutely fuckin crazy, it's just worse

dapper crag
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Because it’s now a mixed-special attacker and loses ground type?

bold geode
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Moreso the ground type loss

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Losing Ground stab is so bad for a frail attacker like that cuz Steel types can handle you easier

molten oasis
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Garchomp Z sucks

dapper crag
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I guess we’ll have to see. 151 speed is still absolutely nuts and no more 4x ice weakness. I guess if Z’s get some kind of gimmick or if it gets some crazy ability

molten oasis
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I’d rather have a 4x ice weakness and stab ground coverage

bold geode
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And potentially missing a KO cuz you lost that stab is bad

molten oasis
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It’s an issue with all of the z megas

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They’re all super frail

forest arrow
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I just really don’t see SV mons being in, off rip, only time will tell

molten oasis
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I hope not I don’t want reg h + megas

dapper crag
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It’s definitely cautious optimism. Obviously can’t really know until we know what abilities they’re running

forest arrow
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I really want Absol Z do be some kind of good

dapper crag
forest arrow
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I know bro

tiny karmaBOT
forest arrow
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I know :/

molten oasis
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its frailer than chien pao

forest arrow
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Wants sash too much, would really need an ability to make it pop off

molten oasis
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Like okay maybe it’ll have a chance

dapper crag
molten oasis
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Cuz it outspeeds shadow rider

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BUUUT it has to have a good ability

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Anyway, guess we have to deal with sneasler Archaludon again

dapper crag
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Arch is gonna be fun to deal with

foggy lodge
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I just had my biggest throw ever man LMAO

sudden remnant
molten oasis
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I doubt it gets that

foggy lodge
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I had to tera rock ivy cudgel a Hatterene to win and I didn't because I thought tera cudgel didn't kill

sudden remnant
foggy lodge
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And it would have killed

molten oasis
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I think absol is most likely getting tough claws

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Just based on its design

dull ibex
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I wonder what buffs trick room will get

sudden remnant
foggy lodge
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236+ Atk Tera-Rock Ogerpon-Cornerstone Ivy Cudgel (1.2x Mask Boost) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Hatterene: 146-174 (89 - 106%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

sudden remnant
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bro probably dies to an aqua jet from anything relevant

molten oasis
tiny karmaBOT
molten oasis
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Tho idt it’ll be better than ursaluna

sudden remnant
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it has a type advantage into ursa

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normal ground vs fighting ice

molten oasis
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Go go gadget facade

sudden remnant
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go go gadget get undersped

molten oasis
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Don’t set tr on it?

sudden remnant
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doesnt stop them from setting the tr

molten oasis
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Eh, anyway that’s not the point

dull ibex
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also even if it beats ursa doesn't make it better

molten oasis
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Ursa is overall a better tr mon

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Build in spore immunity, way better typing defensively (fighting ice sucks defensively), and, Ursa hits like a freight train

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Oh

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Mega crab has to compete with mega Mawile LOL

tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
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MAWILE MENTIONED

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MY GOATTTTTTTTTTTTT

dull ibex
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just you wait til the primals are back

dull ibex
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im so excited

sudden remnant
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i’m gonna be running kyogre

foggy lodge
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i want megas only to play weezing for another 3 years yesyesyes

sudden remnant
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what weezing gotta do with megas

tiny karmaBOT
dull ibex
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i don't follow

foggy lodge
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Almost all megas depend on their abilities

sudden remnant
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so judt dont megs my mawile until i kill it no biggie

foggy lodge
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nah

sudden remnant
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cuz mawile doesn’t really care about losing intimidate

dapper crag
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Mega Crab has great stats but the typing is definitely a problem and ability is unknown

dull ibex
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give chandy shadow tag

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cowards

sudden remnant
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true statement

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it had shadow tag in gen 5

foggy lodge
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I doubt they are giving it shadow tag

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There's already a ghost type mega with shadow tag

dull ibex
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so?

foggy lodge
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Is like giving dnite aerilate

dull ibex
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who cares

foggy lodge
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You are just making them compete

dull ibex
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they do different things

sudden remnant
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i mean pinsir and mence both have aerilate

dapper crag
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I think Clefable is getting Aerilate too

foggy lodge
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But they are much different

dull ibex
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............

sudden remnant
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can i just say poor audino

dapper crag
sudden remnant
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who tf wants a support mega 🫩

dapper crag
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Audino is such a L mega

foggy lodge
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No

molten oasis
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No weezing early I wanna use my megas

sudden remnant
molten oasis
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Hyper cutter, avoid incin intimidate

dapper crag
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True it could go either way

foggy lodge
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Actually if they give shadow tag to mega chandelure primal groudon + mega chandy becomes super broken

molten oasis
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Mawile megas on the spot anyway

sudden remnant
foggy lodge
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Get fucked no switching to primal kyogre or ray lmao

sudden remnant
molten oasis
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175 BP heat waves in the sun, hell nah

tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
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GENUINELY WHAT DOES THIS THING DO

foggy lodge
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80 spa lmfao

molten oasis
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Die

sudden remnant
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its bulk is pretty good but thats it

foggy lodge
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I mean people are gonna use it for yt content probably

dapper crag
sudden remnant
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103/126/126

dapper crag
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And it doesn’t have regenerator…

tiny karmaBOT
foggy lodge
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"anti meta mega audino team!" Cuz it gets like stores power and probably something to boost its defenses

molten oasis
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Just use cresselia lmfao

tiny karmaBOT
molten oasis
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It’s literally better in every way

sudden remnant
foggy lodge
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It doesn't get stored power LMAO

molten oasis
solid frigate
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But it’s not mega iirc

foggy lodge
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Yeh but that's base

molten oasis
foggy lodge
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Base probably could do something back then

sudden remnant
tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
shadow wind
molten oasis
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No fairy stab.

solid frigate
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The mega was suppose to be pure supportive

Which ummm VGC doesnt want these mega that is just pure support

molten oasis
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Actually look at its movepool

shadow wind
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Regenerator gotta be top 10 abilities

molten oasis
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It doesn’t get any fairy stab

sudden remnant
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its weak as fuck anyways

solid frigate
molten oasis
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You get coverage sure but I’d rather have fairy stab than normal stab

sudden remnant
tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
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How do they manage to fry some one stages so badly and then others are LeBron

molten oasis
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I could go on

shadow wind
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Flamigo

solid frigate
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Pretty sure 65 SpA with Dgleam still does some damage

Or play rough for physical

shadow wind
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Tatsu and Dozo

sudden remnant
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whimsicott is also a support and it can go without moonblast

molten oasis
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Flamigos good?

shadow wind
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Zangoose 💀

shadow wind
foggy lodge
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Flamigo is good as long as the power level is low

molten oasis
sudden remnant
sudden remnant
foggy lodge
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that's just bad ngl

shadow wind
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Even Hawlucha can do stuff

molten oasis
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Why? Moonblast is better in like every way

sudden remnant
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it was what i needed in the team

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i had 3 fairies

shadow wind
tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
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Chlorophyll + growth whims set dropping when?

molten oasis
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I mean, it’s not a bad move I guess

foggy lodge
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Tomorrow

molten oasis
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lol

solid frigate
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Still Whims has to use Moonblast in most formats

sudden remnant
molten oasis
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False

shadow wind
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5 BP matters

tiny karmaBOT
solid frigate
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Lowering Special attack is too valueable

upper zealot
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the 30 spa drop is insane lol

molten oasis
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And it’s 30% to drop social attack

shadow wind
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Also more pp

molten oasis
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And look at its physical variant

shadow wind
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Bro moonblast is broken 😭😭

tiny karmaBOT
foggy lodge
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Moonblast is lowkey a damage control move

sudden remnant
solid frigate
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More pp
More Chance to Nerf people
Makes Raging Bolt living miserably

molten oasis
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WHY DID PHYSICAL FAIRIES GET FUCKING ROBBED

foggy lodge
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How do you kill an electric seed Lunala behind screens spamming moonblast

shadow wind
molten oasis
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I don’t care!

foggy lodge
molten oasis
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It be nice if zacian didn’t have a chance of missing fairy stab

shadow wind
sudden remnant
solid frigate
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Honestly I don’t rely on flinch chance on dpluse ngl

molten oasis
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I’ve been flinched by dark pulse like, twice

shadow wind
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Who even runs dpulse other than Chi yu right now

molten oasis
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No one cuz there’s like, no dark special attackers rn

foggy lodge
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I've flinched with dark pulse ngl

sudden remnant
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how about kings rock best up

solid frigate
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So yeah only Chi Yu

shadow wind
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Pagos should 99% of the time run ep

foggy lodge
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On specs it runs it

solid frigate
molten oasis
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Specs Pagos ran dark pulse

shadow wind
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Oh yeah specs sets

molten oasis
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What a mid pokemon

foggy lodge
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Tera starstorm earth power dark pulse and tri attack

shadow wind
#

Word

foggy lodge
#

Hyper beam is troll

#

Hyper beam is for the funsies

molten oasis
#

Gets resisted damage t1, Tera’s into a super bulky power house, and it’s still mid

shadow wind
#

I mean when you have a move like Tera star storm that’s stab and 120 it just does more damage on neutral hits

sudden remnant
solid frigate
foggy lodge
#

I'm sure that's the only time Andrew clicked hyper beam on his whole run

sudden remnant
solid frigate
molten oasis
#

Oh yeah Pagos and koraidon die when Tera goes away

#

They don’t get to play the game

sudden remnant
#

just make stellar pagos a mega, it gets 100 stat points🤷‍♂️

molten oasis
solid frigate
#

Actually Pagos would still not gonna do well in Restricted formats even with Tera

molten oasis
#

Why is everything mega coded lmao

solid frigate
foggy lodge
#

Game freak thought they peaked with gimmicks with megas

#

(they did not)

sudden remnant
tiny karmaBOT
solid frigate
molten oasis
#

Oh huh it used to be 60

sudden remnant
#

40 excuse the fuck outta me 😑

molten oasis
#

It’s still mega coded

#

You use an item to go into a more powerful form

#

That’s what megas are

solid frigate
#

40 is still fine

You don’t want Zacian and Zamazenta to get 100 bst increase over that

sudden remnant
solid frigate
#

And it buffs the most important stats

molten oasis
#

But primals do

solid frigate
#

So those 40 bst is not a waste

molten oasis
#

And also rayquaza is, smth else

sudden remnant
#

rayray is the MC istg

solid frigate
#

Rayquaza is AG in singles Eyes

Meanwhile VGC:4th at best in Gen 6 (fuck Xerneas)

sudden remnant
#

in champions how are we gonna deal with xerneas gang 🫩

molten oasis
#

Zacian

solid frigate
#

Actually there would be lot more options

#

And yes Zacian would be very strong against it

sudden remnant
#

idk about running 2 steel types 🫠

shadow wind
#

Steel types are goated

sudden remnant
#

altho steel fairy is like the best typing in the game

solid frigate
#

Why would you run two steel types on a team

What’s the other one-

shadow wind
#

Lowkey I’d run like 4 steel types if the team allowed it

solid frigate
#

You don’t run Mega Mawile with Zacian anyway

sudden remnant
#

watch me

solid frigate
#

Nah

sudden remnant
#

😝

dull ibex
#

what item does bloodmoon like to run

sudden remnant
#

lorb as far as im aware

solid frigate
dull ibex
molten oasis
#

Yeah the options are like, Mawile and Zacian

#

Or very strong physical neutrals

shadow wind
#

The Reg H special

solid frigate
shadow wind
#

I very much dislike it too

#

Like the Tera electric was extremely niche and I don’t think it was the best option

solid frigate
#

Tera Electric is fine

Yawn is like why

shadow wind
#

It was for Ghold and not taking making super effective hits but something like steel probably worked better

shadow wind
#

Forcing a switch can be game winning

#

And yawn in all honesty is a super broken move

#

Cause the sleep always goes at the end of the turn

sudden remnant
molten oasis
solid frigate
#

And you have better Megas

sudden remnant
#

do not insult my child 😔

#

i love mawile

#

i wish mawile got liquidation do you know how fucking cool that would be

foggy lodge
shadow wind
#

Water or steel or fire

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Just not electric

#

You just get clowned on by other BMs

#

Cause the whole point was a steel resist

#

Or a big part anyway

#

Electric was just not committal I guess

#

Extremely neutral but still resisting steel

#

That’s the thing about vgc

#

You can reason out 99% of decisions

#

Which I find extremely awesome

#

Bro might just be in love with the process and not so much the result

molten oasis
#

Maybe

shadow wind
#

Lowkey the learning mindset is the best one

foggy lodge
#

There are so many teams that do well and the decisions on teambuilder don't seem to make sense at the start

shadow wind
#

There’s some teams that I still don’t understand the logic behind them

#

But that’s the beauty of it

#

I don’t need to understand it

foggy lodge
#

Sometimes you just will never understand cuz

#

Everyone builds in a different way and for different stuff

shadow wind
#

Mhm

#

The only person that needs to understand a team 100% is the builder(s)

dull ibex
#

screw it im doing it

foggy lodge
#

Yeah its the beauty of the game

shadow wind
#

Which is why I always build my own teams

dull ibex
#

im replacing hands with bloodmoon

shadow wind
#

I love understanding the team I’m using

shadow wind
#

But if it works it works

dull ibex
#

see the way i see it is I don't really need the fake out pressure personally

#

and bloodmoon gives me a much more offensive option in tr

foggy lodge
#

I understand by using them atleast

#

Or atleast the surface level

warm estuary
#

Maybe just me

left bobcat
#

Prepare for trouble

sudden remnant
#

and make it double

tiny karmaBOT
bold geode
molten oasis
#

Oh yeah incin will be much more effective into the Calys now

#

No Tera to save you now

bold geode
dapper crag
bold geode
#

That thing is probably getting Gorilla Tactics

dapper crag
#

I’d love to see Gorilla Tactics crab

bold geode
#

Idk if that being it's ability would make it worse or if it'd make it better tbh

dapper crag
#

Much better

bold geode
#

Like it can't Protect but by God will that shit HURT

dapper crag
#

Destroys everything

molten oasis
#

If Ursa is legal idt it get to do much

bold geode
molten oasis
#

Yeah but then you can’t protect

#

Or change moves

bold geode
#

Yeah but if Indeedee in the game well then

molten oasis
#

If gholdengo is in the game

bold geode
#

At least you ain't gotta worry bout Fake Out until Rillaboom hits the function

#

Also you're talking about Ursaluna as well sooooooooooooo

#

Like it's Ursaluna

shadow wind
bold geode
#

Like yeah you brought up hydrogen bomb during rock paper scissors, cool game dude

bold geode
dull ibex
bold geode
#

So bad at the game you got bubonic plague

dull ibex
#

I fucking hate crits

#

I know they are necessary but it feels like garbage to lose to them

#

I want to try koraidon what duos should i try

molten oasis
molten oasis
dull ibex
#

Im against csr ngl

#

so maybe lunala

stone trellis
dull ibex
#

Ok I have a six in mind

#

im going to do some testing with it before posting the evs

dull ibex
bold geode
bold geode
stone trellis
bold geode
stone trellis
#

Raw concrete tastes better.

bold geode
#

And you call me a freak

dull ibex
#

What should I replace indeedee with then

molten oasis
dull ibex
#

Nope

molten oasis
#

Why

#

Lorb korai run close combat as well

#

And why mental herb you should never get taunted with an indeedee next to you

dull ibex
#

We are replacing deedee

molten oasis
#

Flutter would be better over moon, korai and moon don’t really do much with each other

#

You’ll lose the mirror to korai

dull ibex
#

I want a tailwind setter

molten oasis
#

Koraidon doesn’t need a tw setter

#

With flutter you have icy wind+flame charge for speed control

dull ibex
#

Ugh fine

#

What flutter set

molten oasis
#

And Lunala can set tr up if it gets put against tailwind

molten oasis
dull ibex
#

Gotcha

#

And what do we replace indeedee with

molten oasis
#

Hm

dull ibex
#

Chi yu?

molten oasis
#

You don’t want chi yu and incin

#

I like chi yu here but not when you already got incin

dull ibex
#

Why?

molten oasis
#

I think worlds ran an Ursa(?)

dull ibex
#

They have little overlap in roles

molten oasis
#

Yeah worlds team was chi yu and ursa with Lunala

#

The runner up was CSR with incin instead

dull ibex
#

🤔

molten oasis
#

And bolt and lando over flutter and ursa

dull ibex
#

So just swap in ursa Luna? Here

molten oasis
dull ibex
#

And ursa is just my tr sweeper yeah?

molten oasis
#

I still don’t think mental herb Lunala is the way to go but if that’s what you wanna use then it’s fine, I’d prefer pherb meteor beam here personally, Yeah

dull ibex
#

Mhm mhm

left bobcat
#

And make it double

dull ibex
#

we lose fake out pressure but gain alot more power under tr

#

plus maybe bloodmoon works outside tr?

#

im open to changing the bloodmoon set if need be'

foggy lodge
#

+1 252+ SpA Quark Drive Iron Crown Helping Hand Expanding Force (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 76 SpD Tera-Fire Calyrex-Ice Rider in Psychic Terrain: 229-271 (110.6 - 130.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

#

this mon is so gross man LOL

shadow wind
#

Bro this Mon is not gross

#

+1 max invest quark drive hh in terrain and it only does that much

#

Think of how insane that is

#

Specs Miraidon does that

#

Splash plate Kyogre does that

#

I honestly think the iron crown hype is unjustified

#

Yeah it’s a good Mon, psychic steel is a good defensive typing and in a world where it has a free lorb and expanding force it’s hard for it to be bad

foggy lodge
#

I mean its not a free lorb cuz most the time you need the booster energy

bold geode
shadow wind
#

It’s a 1.3x damage multiplier with absolutely zero drawback

brisk crater
solid frigate
#

took Cobalion to watch Back to the future and Tron

And he become robot menace

brisk crater
shadow wind
#

Although Tera fighting Tera blast on CSR was pretty cool

#

I remember Maya used that on her Pawmot team and that was sick

#

Thankfully I had a counter team so I only had to not get outplayed by the best player I know

#

I honestly miss Reg G

brisk crater
#

But meteor beam with herb is rlly good

shadow wind
#

When you hit

#

I dislike betting my entire Incin mu on hitting a 90% move

#

When Incin is everywhere

#

Would rather go Tera water Tera blast or something

#

I remember I was playing Groudon Lunala and my entire Ho oh MU came down to meteor beam

#

I missed every other time

#

I should’ve just used Gravity

#

What was I thinking

brisk crater
#

And the lunala i run is quite bulky

shadow wind
#

My point was more so that if you miss now your strongest mon can’t hit Incin

#

A +1 Lunala at most does 30% to Incin with Moongeist

brisk crater
#

Ah true

#

Im just so tired of incin

shadow wind
#

But I do also agree with power herb because making knock off weaker is sick

shadow wind
#

But imagine how Kyogre and Miraidon feel with that monkey around

brisk crater
#

Now with him basically being one of the mascots of champions and vgc

#

Ik hes here to stay

shadow wind
#

Oh for sure

#

And he’s a starter

brisk crater
shadow wind
#

So no dexit can save us

#

Indeedee on a Miraidon team?

brisk crater
#

Nah

#

Just talking bout rillaboom counters

shadow wind
#

Oh yeah Rilla is definitely easier to counter than Incin

brisk crater
#

True

shadow wind
#

But Rillaboom hard counters way harder than Incin

brisk crater
#

Indinidate and knock off are both so infuriating

shadow wind
#

Unless your name is Zacian Crowned I guess

shadow wind
brisk crater
#

Fake out is pretty annoying but i think ibtimidate and knock off is where incin becomes super cancer

solid frigate
lofty tartan
#

Parting. Shot.

#

But I'm also in the camp that doesn't view Incin as cancer. He's a stop gap for all the insanely busted stuff

dapper crag
#

Mega Scrafty has potential to be super toxic too

solid frigate
#

if Incin is not here we have whole other problems

#

idc if incin is annoying

at the end of the day, it was doing it's job

waxen dock
#

reg i is back

#

guys

#

i knew it

foggy lodge
#

This is not serious

#

Pokémon what the fuck are you doing

shadow wind
#

Ok re reading

#

2026

#

Might be real

foggy lodge
#

Conner its real

shadow wind
#

Although maybe it’s an April fools thing

foggy lodge
#

Groudon is back,,,

shadow wind
#

But also I have to be a grown up starting in April so I won’t be able to grind ladders for 10 hours a day

foggy lodge
#

the global doesn't give points

#

Tf are they doing dude

shadow wind
#

Delaying again

bold geode
#

They are actually shooting themselves in the fucking foot

shadow wind
#

They put 4 people on the development team and realized it’s going to take another year

next stump
#

orlando reg I???

bold geode
#

Well at least the ladders match up again for what

#

Two weeks

shadow wind
#

You hope it’s 2 weeks

dapper crag
shadow wind
#

Cause it’s going to be like a week after champions releases and it would be unfair

#

It would just be a “who can pay the most and make a real team” gc

bold geode
#

Nah that's still a lil odd

#

@foggy lodge yeah so how fucking cooked are we now LMAO

#

Bro honestly no fucking wonder they took so long to announce shit

#

I'm honestly wishing they didn't still

molten oasis
#

They literally went “play restricteds for 2-6 weeks” like man

dull ibex
#

why are any of you surprised?

molten oasis
#

And we dont know when champions releases besides April

shadow wind
#

Bro thinks it’s still coming out in April 😭😭😭

molten oasis
foggy lodge
#

I really don't know what they are trying to do

bold geode
foggy lodge
#

Cuz japan needs the global challenge tu qualify for japan nats

dull ibex
#

why?

#

this is just restricteds for the rest of the game's life

foggy lodge
#

Orlando is the first week of april

#

They announced the format way too late for no reason

bold geode
# dull ibex why?

For thr circuit for a bit we're going to a format no one liked that maybe 5% of players wanted to go back to if we're being EXTREMELY generous

foggy lodge
#

Okay

bold geode
#

They've been giving us formats people wanted for the whole season, why do this now

foggy lodge
#

Apparently the global will be used for japan to qualify for japan nats

#

It's just TPCi regions that won't get points

bold geode
#

Besides oh look a Venusaur

shadow wind
#

And getting used to the champions format

dull ibex
#

they need to announce to M-A

molten oasis
#

We have reg I until LA Regionals

foggy lodge
#

I mean its cool for TPCi regions

molten oasis
#

At least

foggy lodge
#

Cuz the game will probably be released in like the firts half of april

#

And that's not enough time to adapt

#

The thing is that TPCi regions will play for fun and japan has to qualify with it lol

#

Well non TPCi regions

#

Not only japan I think

bold geode
#

Bro
NAIC isn't on rk9 yet is it

#

I don't see it on there thank fuck

molten oasis
foggy lodge
#

I think

#

Ugh idk

#

I mean its already announced that champions is being used in some non tpci regions

#

Malaysia for example and that's may

bold geode
#

NAIC is June though

foggy lodge
#

The thing is do we rotate to champions alongside them??

bold geode
#

Hopefully we're using it by fucking June right

foggy lodge
#

Because there's also a national I think hong kong

#

That is on may but its SV

bold geode
#

I stg if Worlds is the first Champs event

foggy lodge
#

Okay my bet

#

Reg I is just an emergency action from TPCi

#

Reg I is only april, champions releases on the first half of april, and then on may we are playing champions

bold geode
#

Btw Reg I BO3 ladder is already up

#

@foggy lodge I was gonna come in here after my first set and go "yeah I'm top 500" and then I see your ass above me

dapper crag
#

I thought it meant Reg I was the end of life season

molten oasis
#

I’m not, yeah no zacian this time this sucks

#

This is miserable

#

Forgot how fucking bad it feels to play kyogre

bold geode
#

1-2 in sets so far and lost against what is objectively my best MU

#

Time to get on another alt so I'm not fighting dog shit for the next 5 sets

leaden fox
#

So.... people are mad that we get no CP in the next GC during Champions 😅

#

At least in the TPCi regions

warm estuary
#

Dude

#

Reg I in tournaments😮‍💨

foggy lodge
#

Honestly I would be super worried about the whole thing of reg I until the end of SV

#

But once champions comes out I'm not touching any SV format again and I don't play majors so

stone trellis
#

I wish I get to see Terapagos make it to finals and fail again.

foggy lodge
#

Well now we can play rankeds

#

I'm gonna try to grind in game ladder ig

molten oasis
#

Bringing back this cuz it’s working pretty damn well

foggy lodge
#

Calyrex-Ice @ Lum Berry
Ability: As One (Glastrier)
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fighting

  • Glacial Lance
  • Body Press
  • Trick Room
  • Imprison
waxen dock
#

Give points for what?

upper zealot
#

worlds

#

the champs gc wont give cp

waxen dock
#

Are you sure?

upper zealot
#

yeah

next stump
#

this season is so scuffed

#

hopefully they iron it all out by september

foggy lodge
#

Something really bad happened with champions

#

There's no way this was the season they planned

leaden fox
#

This is the official account for Champions too

warm estuary
#

If I participate ofc

leaden fox
#

So I'd imagine we'll get Champions 1 - 2 weeks beforehand

#

Though no date announced for it's release yet

foggy lodge
#

My bet is april 9th

#

Considering that non TPCi regions have to actually prepare for the GC

#

2 weeks seem like a fair amount of time

warm estuary
#

Thanks

#

Just one shotted a kyogre with an iron treads

#

Kinda crazy

#

Well not really but ok

bold geode
#

@next stump how did Reg I become like so much worse immediately

shadow wind
#

Reg I is awesome what are you talking about

molten oasis
#

So I went back to Zac Mirai Wolfe_Hello

dull ibex
#

Reg I rules

shadow wind
#

Wait doesn’t Zacian beat both of those mons

#

Hypothetically

#

CIR is just a punching bag in that mu the only real threat is Miraidon

#

But scarf Miraidon definitely causes problems for Zacian

#

Does edrift kill no Tera?

#

I feel like it doesn’t

molten oasis
#

There’s so much ice rider

molten oasis
#

So, you can’t lead it

#

And CIR always Tera’s to resist zacian

solid frigate
#

Like drago said before

Tera makes Zacian’s Matchup even worse

lofty tartan
#

Regulation I is arkeknine

#

But it's not like anyone really cares about this one month intermission.

#

I'm definitely not going to lose sleep trying to run around in a flash-in-the-pan format that won't amount to anything. KuroArticunoGiggle

foggy lodge
#

Everyone is just gonna use whatever they used at worlds

lofty tartan
#

Pretty much.

#

It's just so easy to write this off.

foggy lodge
#

I doubt there will be anything new in the format or any evolution

lofty tartan
#

Probably not.

dull ibex
#

when it goes right IT REALLY goes right

foggy lodge
#

Fought a psychic seed male indeedee with leftovers grimmsnarl on the in game ladder

#

Crazy meta evolution is happening in reg I

lofty tartan
#

Or just randos doing random things arkeknine

#

Ladder is the wild west, my dude.

bold geode
stone trellis
# bold geode Reg I blows

"Current format blows, we should go back to X format that I also fucking despised while it was running"

bold geode
stone trellis
#

You guys never like any formats though, that's the point of what I said.

#

It's always "current format bad, other format good" and then whenever the other format comes back, it's still the same thing.

bold geode
#

I actually liked Reg I before today just for the record

bold geode
stone trellis
#

The thing about me is that I am 90% ironic about everything VGC-related.

bold geode
#

Oh wow you're ironic when it suits you

molten oasis
#

I’m, done lmao

#

Everything feels bad to use unless it’s bike+horse+incin I’m kinda over it

dull ibex
#

Honse

forest arrow
#

Bike+Honse+Incin meet Bike+Nala+Ursa

dull ibex
#

I'm using neither

forest arrow
#

I played Koala all of Reg I the first go round so now I’m playing Fedes team

dull ibex
#

I'm using honse bike blood moon

forest arrow
#

That’s fire

dull ibex
#

Is it?

forest arrow
#

Idk is it? I just like bloodmoon lol

shadow wind
#

Is the bikes and horses very generalized names what’s Groudons

#

Is it just “goat”?

forest arrow
#

I lied, my brain likes miraidon but Koraidon is my whole heart, I’m switching back lol

dull ibex
foggy lodge
#

I played a match thinking my opponent was modest CSR because I kept moving first and in the endgame they moved before mine lol i hate this format

shadow wind
#

Maybe it’s the team building aspect

#

Cause personally I love this format

#

But I don’t play standard meta stuff

#

And I never deal with speed ties

foggy lodge
#

Justin Tang's worlds team

dense latch
#

that’s a lot of copies

foggy lodge
#

Remember that he didn't have a team until like a week before worlds lol

dense latch
dense latch
#

loses into everything but no speed ties

shadow wind
#

Why scarf Miraidon is awesome

#

Outspeeds everything !!

shadow wind
#

Why did I just play against a jolly 252 speed Ursaluna on a tr team

brisk crater
#

Straight 1050 elo shit

foggy lodge
#

How much will we hate on reg M-A

#

I'm gonna be the first on the line to hate on megas

molten oasis
#

Sounds about right

dull ibex
#

Im going to love it

#

for a little while

brisk crater