competitive_discussion

[rustic mountain]

or u just mean live updates

[molten oasis]

Because it’s single target 120 bp moves

Not a spread 110 bp move

[foggy lodge]

I mean it wasn't okay in SV but I think that after seeing how toxic dire claw is in actual metagames

[molten oasis]

Obviously talons gonna hit hsrder

[foggy lodge]

I think they should nerf it

[molten oasis]

Dire claws a dumb move but I honesty hated annihilape more lol

That mons a headache to deal with

[rustic mountain]

dire claw hate is so overblown

[foggy lodge]

Just don't get slept bro

[solid frigate]

I don’t hate it but I don’t like it

It’s somewhat funny

[rustic mountain]

sneasler boutta b mid af w/o tera so get ready to not care

[foggy lodge]

I really don't think its a tera hog

Like maybe it would mean that non sash sets are harder to use but it would still be used just because sash is also super good for it

[molten oasis]

IMO rage fist should get nerfed

It should reset on switch and only cap at 200 bp, that moves dumb as hell

[rustic mountain]

ape is something else thats much more manageable w/o tera, itll b good still but not nearly the same

[rustic mountain]

idt itll see as much play

[molten oasis]

Ursas won’t be as bad either

No Tera ghost to dodge fake out or Tera normal to turbo boost damage

[rustic mountain]

yep

theyll still b good but again, more manageable, u can still run like giraffe to block prio spam

[molten oasis]

True

I think Tera definitely just overtunes stuff

I like Tera but definitely need a break

[rustic mountain]

im so ready

[foggy lodge]

Twin beam giraffe stonks

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

Lowkey tera is way more powerful than megas

That's my hot take

[rustic mountain]

idk man i think u need to play a mega format first

[foggy lodge]

Maybe

[rustic mountain]

im not even saying ur wrong cuz i havent either but like its not really somethin u can accurately assess otherwise

[foggy lodge]

I mean I've played it a bit from old ladders on showdown and random tournaments but

Yeah I haven't played with megas like in depth

[molten oasis]

Yeah cuz now if you get pinned

You’re pinned

No Tera to save you

But also I haven’t played megas I’ve heard they’re really centralizing

[sudden remnant]

i hear 2016 vgc was literally 1 team everywhere

im not gonna like the return of the big 6

[rustic mountain]

vgc is different now

[sudden remnant]

we still have meta defining teams

[rustic mountain]

half the big 6 if not more iirc gets wrecked by watershifu

[sudden remnant]

smeargle primal groudon kanghaskan xerneas tflame

so yeah 3

[rustic mountain]

ahh nah im thinkin another team

[foggy lodge]

Mega mence

[sudden remnant]

yeah that too

[foggy lodge]

Mega mence is good into watershifu atleast

Into balance cores

[sudden remnant]

smeargle kannga and tflamem do nnot wanna see a waterfu

[molten oasis]

Lando I guys

We have lando I to nuke groudon

Cuz groudon does not take earth power

[foggy lodge]

Weezing

[sudden remnant]

we had lanndo inn 2016 and it did nnothing

[foggy lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/weezing-gif-26949547

[molten oasis]

Okay it’ll still do 80%

[rustic mountain]

[rustic mountain]

fuck mega mence then

[foggy lodge]

Ice spinner scarf ursh

[rustic mountain]

lmao

ill jus wait for my boy pao to return

[molten oasis]

Oh shit we get Pao with megas now

[sudden remnant]

triple axel wide lens meow 🥺

[rustic mountain]

not immediately id imagine but eventually

[molten oasis]

Did you know metagross next to Pao with heavy slam just ko’s rillaboom?

[rustic mountain]

no w/ mega im guessing

[molten oasis]

And does like 50% to incin, yeah with mega

[rustic mountain]

geez lmao

[sudden remnant]

a+b=c ahh sentence

[molten oasis]

That Mon is crazy

[foggy lodge]

Draining kiss gets boosted by tough claws

[rustic mountain]

megametagross, urshifu, rilla, incin, pao and something else good

[molten oasis]

Fluttermane

Bolt

Tapu fini even

I hope we get tapus man I wanna use fini

[sudden remnant]

wide lens meow? 🥺

[rustic mountain]

yooo if tapus comeback

[rustic mountain]

[sudden remnant]

🥺

[molten oasis]

Tapu koko gaming

The miraidon before miraidon

[sudden remnant]

how much would flower trick even do to a geomancy xerneas lmao

[rustic mountain]

calc it

[rustic mountain]

i think koko might b ok depends on the format

fini tho

[foggy lodge]

They are theorizing that mega raichu x cuz apparently on the trailer there is an electric terrain effect on the field when Raichu attacks

[rustic mountain]

yea

[foggy lodge]

But idk this mon learns nothing

[rustic mountain]

but then base raichu counters it

[foggy lodge]

Yeah that's actually super cool

[sudden remnant]

i would if i knew the evs ran on xerneas

[rustic mountain]

geomancy isnt really relevant since its def isnt increasing just sp def

but yea idk xern spreads i didnt play then

[foggy lodge]

I just know that

[sudden remnant]

yeah but it would be the standard set, no??

[rustic mountain]

sure im just saying a geomancy boosted xern is irrelevant to the calc

[sudden remnant]

i know that

[foggy lodge]

Incin used to run 236 HP 236 SpD careful to live 252 spa moonblast from xerneas

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[foggy lodge]

+2*

But it only lived the timid one

[rustic mountain]

modest torches all

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

But xerneas spreads were all diferent back then

[rustic mountain]

obviously timid cuz +2 prolly still outspeeds stuff in tw

[foggy lodge]

Some just ran 252 252 modest then others ran timid to outspeed others were bulky to live other xerneas and other stuff

[sudden remnant]

252+ Atk Meowscarada Flower Trick vs. 108 HP / 0 Def Xerneas on a critical hit: 177-208 (42.1 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

[foggy lodge]

Also with Xerneas Crobat is kinda real

[molten oasis]

Really?

[rustic mountain]

ew

[molten oasis]

Ig you don’t get moonblast which sucks

[sudden remnant]

252+ Atk Choice Band Meowscarada Flower Trick vs. 108 HP / 0 Def Xerneas on a critical hit: 262-310 (62.3 - 73.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[rustic mountain]

overgrow boosted prolly makes it 2hko id imagine

[molten oasis]

PFFF

Xerneas is a Mon of all time

[sudden remnant]

252+ Atk Life Orb Meowscarada Flower Trick vs. 108 HP / 0 Def Xerneas on a critical hit: 230-270 (54.7 - 64.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[sudden remnant]

solid damage, but not enough

[rustic mountain]

i think depending on the mons allowed yea, it could also b nice as an amoongus deterrent even + solid electric damage nd pivot piece

[foggy lodge]

And its adamant

As if a restricteds format would let you use adamant Meowscarada

[sudden remnant]

lemme check

[rustic mountain]

as if a restricted format would let you use meowscarada*

[sudden remnant]

252+ Atk Choice Band Overgrow Meowscarada Flower Trick vs. 108 HP / 0 Def Xerneas on a critical hit: 393-463 (93.5 - 110.2%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

hey there we go

[rustic mountain]

oh i mean no band just overgrow otherwise ur prolly just ko'd b4 activating the ability

[molten oasis]

True, it’ll never compare to fini tho

Fini is just, fini

[sudden remnant]

252+ Atk Overgrow Meowscarada Flower Trick vs. 108 HP / 0 Def Xerneas on a critical hit: 262-310 (62.3 - 73.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO 👨‍🦯

[molten oasis]

Fini’s super versatile right?

[rustic mountain]

fini will b the best then lele for ho i think and then koko prolly niche use then bulus just there

[molten oasis]

You mean rilla

I’ve never heard of this bulu fellow

[rustic mountain]

lol

[rustic mountain]

pretty versatile yea

[foggy lodge]

If I see a Tapu Bulu I'm just clicking sludge bomb with my amoonguss into it

I ain't figuring out what it does

[rustic mountain]

bulu y did they do this to u

[molten oasis]

No play rough

No grass glide
No fake out
No coverage

[foggy lodge]

Its fairy atleast

[molten oasis]

Ok it’s coverage looks ok

[foggy lodge]

Like in theory its better against Miraidon

Cuz it can't get draco'd

[rustic mountain]

u know who gets play rough? lele and fini

[molten oasis]

I KNOW

I think that’s so wild that the physical tapus don’t get the fairy physical move

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

It’s brutal

[foggy lodge]

Doesn't tapu koko have like 20 more point in attack than in spa

[molten oasis]

Yes

[molten oasis]

But it was a special attacker

[foggy lodge]

Oh its 95 spa,,,

[molten oasis]

Specs+terrain went crazy

[rustic mountain]

i think i saw it a few times as physical, sometimes mixed but yea mostly special

[foggy lodge]

And the electric terrain also got nerfed

[molten oasis]

Yeah so, it depends on the format

[rustic mountain]

yep

[molten oasis]

Higher power that guys probably dead

Just use miraidon

[foggy lodge]

Imagine if Miraidon has the old terrains

[solid frigate]

Pls no

[shadow wind]

Bro imagine Rillaboom with old terrain and glide

Guy would be LeBron

Even more so than now

[foggy lodge]

At the same time

[foggy lodge]

That would mean iron crown gets an extra 20% boost to expanding force

[molten oasis]

Dude grassy glide in SWSH with a 50% boost instead of 30%

[supple latch]

Nah, bro would be fine

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-winds-and-waves-meme-pokemon-winds-and-waves-meme-pombon-gif-9556103065735995896

[stone trellis]

Yeah, if you want a CIR with setup, just run Coaching next to it.

[sudden remnant]

the man the myth the legend speaks

[stone trellis]

Boy, do I have a team for you.

It has:

• Setup
• Hella bulk
• Light Screen
• Trick Room AND Tailwind mode
• Fishing for ragebait with Discharge next to Landorus

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/minun-gif-22429629

[stone trellis]

Even Vex, who is notoriously not good at CIR, used it and got his best ranking up to now.

[sudden remnant]

‘tis true

i absolutely destroyed the ladder with that team

[sudden remnant]

my issue wasnt cir specifically it was just im not great with trick room

[waxen dock]

Ehh what elo did you get to?

[sudden remnant]

in game ladder i dont do showdown

i like watching the attack animations

but i did get master rank

[waxen dock]

I won a master rank game with a reg h team in reg i

[sudden remnant]

i hope they deleted the game from their switch

[stone trellis]

Must have not been one of those Japanese players who grind ladder all day.

[dull ibex]

Oh neat

[shadow wind]

Bro just described 99% of CIR Miraidon teams ever made😭😭😭

[stone trellis]

99% of CIR-Mirai teams have setup and Discharge ragebait?

Should've used them instead of wasting my time making one of my own then.

[dull ibex]

What is set up in this case

[stone trellis]

Coaching.

[dull ibex]

Gotcha

How's this

[dense latch]

tera fairy gleam is gonna do negative damage without specs

and your electro drifts are also sort of compromised

you’re better off with a tera electric set if you want scarf miraidon

and just give it snarl

[dull ibex]

I can do that last one

any mon changes?

im going to try e seed on volc

[solid frigate]

It’s alright

Cloak and Eseed really depends on the team and preference

[dull ibex]

any mons changes you suggest?

[sudden remnant]

try it out first

[dull ibex]

the team?

[sudden remnant]

yeah

[dull ibex]

I have been

[sudden remnant]

okay and how has it been feeling

[dull ibex]

its been feeling okay

Im not sure im getting alot of use out of urshifu

[solid frigate]

There really isn’t but I usually prefer having Close Combat on Urshifu due to well,Losing a fighting stab kinda hurts for Shifu

But is there any board state you tested that needs CC

Or if you don’t need Shifu then wellspring is also fine

[sudden remnant]

goatpon mentioned

[dull ibex]

🤔

two redirectors feel a bit redudant

[sudden remnant]

you can never have enough

and if that’s your logic you can drop follow me for knock off or taunt

[dull ibex]

I was thinking maybe making my tr wincon stronger?

[sudden remnant]

torrent mentioned ogerpon right?

[solid frigate]

I mean you did say you don’t see a use for Urshifu so Ogerpon kinda works?

[dull ibex]

my ogerpon are too fast for tr

[solid frigate]

Impish 252 ahhh spread from the tang Gang:

[sudden remnant]

ogerpon can kinda chill in tr

which is odd cuz isnt her base speed like 110

[dull ibex]

what if its max speed?

[sudden remnant]

then its cooked and you need to reset them

you can afford a little speed but you want enough bulk to chill around comfortably

[dull ibex]

ill check the evs on my bulky one after my game

I have one bulky ogerpon and one thats max attack and speed

[solid frigate]

B O N K (Ogerpon-Wellspring) @ Wellspring Mask
Ability: Water Absorb
Level: 50
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 196 HP / 12 Atk / 252 Def / 12 SpD / 36 Spe
Impish Nature

• Ivy Cudgel
• Follow Me
• Taunt
• Spiky Shield

I used this Ogerpon for my Miraidon Ho-Oh team you fought yesterday

[sudden remnant]

or if he doesnt want follow me he can run ivy cudgel, a grass move, knock off/taunt/stomping tantrum

[sudden remnant]

she even learns encore

[solid frigate]

Let him think what his team needs

[dull ibex]

I was actually thinking of bloodmoon?

[sudden remnant]

erm

[dull ibex]

can kinda chill in and out of tr

[solid frigate]

Blood moon?

I mean does it achieve what your team needs or

If it does then I have no arguements

[dull ibex]

I was looking for a tr sweeper to streghten my tr

[sudden remnant]

cir is right there literally in the team

[olive pebble]

Hello! I heard some stuff about reg g starting soon and I built this team just now: https://pokepast.es/7247ff087bde2b63. It's not done, but I wanna know if it's a viable direction to go down. Also know it's not confirmed to be reg g

[dull ibex]

my cir is 36+ attack

[solid frigate]

CIR with Leech Seed Isnt enough in TR game

[sudden remnant]

SO FIX IT 😭

[dull ibex]

thats what it should be

[sudden remnant]

where did all your stats go 👨‍🦯

[solid frigate]

That’s Leech seed CIR attack invest-

[sudden remnant]

every cir ive seen has 76+ attack

[solid frigate]

Don’t be so “Paul” minded

[sudden remnant]

leech seed cir is stall without stalling

[solid frigate]

@dull ibex you mind if I ask Monke to join VC to help you?

[dull ibex]

isn't monke at work?

[solid frigate]

Oh.

Maybe later.

[dull ibex]

if you want to vc im in my personal discord

I tihnk you are in it

[solid frigate]

Yea I’ll join after I done my dishes

[dull ibex]

gotcha

[bold geode]

Me working

[sudden remnant]

my coworker said their car got struck by lightning last night

[dull ibex]

yeah my ogerpon is speed invested

[sudden remnant]

🫩

[dull ibex]

I would like to look at other mons if thats okay

[sudden remnant]

its your team dude you should take everything i say with like 6 grains of salt

[dull ibex]

I was just saying other tr sweepers

idk which ones are good rn non restricted wise

maybe I don't lean into tr

[leaden fox]

Hm, I wonder how long it'll be before we find out what mons are accessible in the M-A format for Champions? 🤔 Maybe early next month or later this month? 🤔

[sudden remnant]

no clue nintendo has been edging us for ever about champions

[bold geode]

Who knows LOL

[leaden fox]

I mean you ain't wrong, considering they announced Champions in 2025 Pokémon Day and only just did the date from the latest one 😂

[sudden remnant]

yep

[bold geode]

Don't even know the exact release date yet

[sudden remnant]

and vaguely gave us “reg M-A” and didnt tell us jack shit about it

[leaden fox]

We know it is April; and we know the Global Challenge is starting registeration on 23rd April; so we can only suspect that Champions will be out a week before that

at the very least of a week

[sudden remnant]

still doesnt tell us what mons we have to work with

[leaden fox]

Hopefully we'll know soon; because then Showdown will likely be able to let us test mons on there to give us an idea of what teams we want to run xP

[sudden remnant]

i imagine legendaries wont be usesblr immediately at the very least

[leaden fox]

Likely will be Megas only, with no sub-legends/legends/mythicals

[sudden remnant]

we know megas will but dont know which ones will be in the game on launch day

[leaden fox]

Hopefully all the Megas to date that aren't restricted, etc

e.g. Zeraora, Rayquaza, etc

[sudden remnant]

i hope mega zeraora becomes legal at some point, poor guy has never seen the light of day being mythical

[leaden fox]

I'd imagine they will have to allow it at some point, since they can restrict which Mythicals can be in the game; and I suspect only the Mythicals that are obtainable via Z-A will be allowed when that happens

So would be Marshadow, Melmetal, Zeraora, Magearna, etc

[sudden remnant]

thats a lot of mythicals tho

[sudden remnant]

darkrai is also mythical

[leaden fox]

That one too yeah

[sudden remnant]

which is odd cuz his pair is a legendsry

[leaden fox]

I don't think Mythicals are "super strong", they just have "good signature moves" is all

[sudden remnant]

🤨

[sudden remnant]

you gonna sit here and tell me this guy isnt busted

[leaden fox]

Well, aside from Arceus xD

I mean the Mythicals that are 600 BST

[sudden remnant]

this one too

[sudden remnant]

and this one

[leaden fox]

Technically Eterna-Floette isn't a Mythical 😅

[sudden remnant]

technically it is

it fits nearly every rule of a mythical

[leaden fox]

Aside from BST

[sudden remnant]

yes

[leaden fox]

And that it has a HA

[sudden remnant]

icl thats kinda…… not good

just keep flower veil

[leaden fox]

If anything, more scared about Marshadow than Eterna-Floette 🤣

[sudden remnant]

his signature move isnt even technician boosted

L nintendo design

[leaden fox]

Yeah, but steals stat boosts before attack happens

[sudden remnant]

i know, but his signature move doesnt work with his ability

which is not cool 🙁

[leaden fox]

I'm aware yeah
But has Mach Punch, Shadow Sneak, Power-up Punch that do

[sudden remnant]

also holy shit marshadow is FAST

base 125

[leaden fox]

Yep, Marshadow is one of the fastest Mythicals

Though not as fast as Zeraora

[sudden remnant]

and the fastest is zeraora

base 150 i think?

[leaden fox]

143

[sudden remnant]

thats still faster than miraidon lmao

[leaden fox]

Mega Zeraora goes up to 153

[leaden fox]

Most of the 100 BST it gets from Mega evolving go into atk and spatk

[sudden remnant]

thanks to LZA we now have 4 mythicals with BSTs over 700

[leaden fox]

If anything you have to be scared for eventually is: Primal Kyogre and Primal Groudon

[sudden remnant]

im not scared of kyogre im scared of groudon

[leaden fox]

Primal Groudon + Protosynthesis 😏

[sudden remnant]

tapu koko+quark drive. and the scariest part is tapu koko isnt restricted either

[leaden fox]

True; though Tapu Koko's best stat doesn't have many great moves to use (yet)

Depends if they update any (if not all) move sets

[sudden remnant]

physical electric types have it rough fr

unless your zeraora or zekrom who both have physical electric signature moves

the rest got either wild charge or thunder punch/fang lmao

oh and double shock for pawmot

[dull ibex]

so update

we kept urshifu afterall

volc has been fun

[solid frigate]

Also thunder punch endure Surging strikes with Quick claw hurts my eyes

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/586440d830e76957 thoughts on this guys? Kinda debating lando rn since I have a bunch of tools to handle incin

[solid frigate]

tang core with Zac Lunala is fine

52 HP on Lando?

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-what-am-i-reading-what-am-i-looking-at-guy-looking-at-paper-jimmy-butler-looking-at-paper-gif-10656430272991200421

i fw the thunder punch but wtf is endure and quick claw doing there

[dull ibex]

it was something I went up against it was wild

[sudden remnant]

can i see 😭

[dull ibex]

wdym can you see?

oh it was on cart

[sudden remnant]

oh

🙁

[sudden remnant]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DSd2ICwjeW-/?igsh=MTN4OWNxdDhlemtkNw==

raging_goat1

put together in 5 minutes for 2k lowkey

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[dull ibex]

should i stream again 🤔

[molten oasis]

Had a guaranteed win condition and I totally threw it

That feels so bad

[sudden remnant]

what happened

[molten oasis]

Tera ground zacian and ogerpon infront of Tera water CIR and miraidon

And I play rough CIR and follow me’d cuz I got paranoid it was scarf miraidon

Instead of Tera blast Mirai wood hammer CIR

[sudden remnant]

🫠

[dull ibex]

im sturggling into sun teams

[molten oasis]

Overthinking does that

[stone trellis]

I think Tera Water Ice Rider just reduces the opponent's IQ by 25 points whenever used for some reason.

[molten oasis]

Apparently

[bold geode]

Then you Fake Out into the Miraidon with another Pokemon and realize it's Cloak 💀

[molten oasis]

That shits the worst too

[bold geode]

I lost so many Mirai Lunala matches cuz I either clicked Fake Out into a Cloak Miraidon or cuz I predicted Cloak and ate a Specs Electro Drift

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/99cc2fcd23af1863 made a few mon changes and item changes based on this

[dull ibex]

monke when do you get off work?

[supple latch]

I struggle into Rain teams

[dull ibex]

Rain teams are hard to beat

[supple latch]

They have so many good Pokémon that’s why.

Though I do struggle in Sun as well mainly because of Torkoal

Yeah, I’m more of a Doubles OU rather than an Ubers person but I might try Ubers at some point

[dull ibex]

ou?????

I play vgc

[molten oasis]

I lost to a damage roll god dammit

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2554165954 I had this if shifu just did a TINY bit more damage

[supple latch]

I really want to do VGC but the closest tournaments are still very far away and I don’t think my parents will spend money for a flight just to attend a tournament I am most likely going to not win

[dull ibex]

why not just play online then?

[supple latch]

But that’s not as fun as in person regionals

[dull ibex]

its just as fun imo

[supple latch]

Yeah I know but I feel like the fun in being in-person for a tournament really hits home

Don’t get me wrong but that’s the neat part about it

[molten oasis]

Hmm

[supple latch]

Also it’s because I don’t have NSO

[molten oasis]

Holy shit that’s a crabominable https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2554196942

[sudden remnant]

maybe theyve been playing too much ZA

[molten oasis]

Maybe

[left bobcat]

Oh no bro

[dull ibex]

ok you said zama compliments setup volc more?

all of the volcs im seeing on the worlds teams for mirai and ice rider are set up

[solid frigate]

It’s an option that works well

Their teams are relatively similar anyway

[dull ibex]

im streaming again if you are interested

[solid frigate]

2 am so not now

[molten oasis]

Yes

[bold geode]

I'm off but it's gonna be a min

[dull ibex]

Fair enough

[molten oasis]

Welp I might give up on this this is starting to feel really weak

[dull ibex]

I wish I could make a paste of this team

ig i could just guess grimm's spread

alright if i max max iron hands

what stats am i max maxing

[molten oasis]

Eh, okay it’s more like, lando feels so mid at times, and then it’s not, idk

[solid frigate]

special Defense and attack?

Cuz you have so much HP

[dull ibex]

alright thank you torrent

https://pokepast.es/653331aa8c1b9dae

grimm and volc are guesses of the spreads

so if theres wrong evs im sorry

[foggy lodge]

Scarf Mirai + lefties CIR is kinda bad ngl

You either want specs on mirai or a more offensive item on calyrex

Like clear amulet or icicle plate

[dull ibex]

its not

also I JUST made my tera electric

actually explain why its bad?

[solid frigate]

In most cases it can be just 0 damage

[foggy lodge]

You are left without enough damage most of the time

Mirai doesn't have an item that boosts its damage like specs or life orb or one that inscreases its durability like AV to win more damage trades

And Calyrex against Incin comps just gets intim cycles without damage and has to click leech seed

[dull ibex]

okay but thats why im tera electric

[foggy lodge]

I think if you don't want to change sets too much I would just make the Calyrex icicle to atleast have some slight damage boost

[dull ibex]

to compensate for the loss in damage

[foggy lodge]

You were not tera electric on the paste

[dull ibex]

OH oops

[foggy lodge]

And even with tera electric you can't use it all the time on Mirai

And also you are timid max max for some reason

So its losing even more damage xd

[dull ibex]

in game im modest

thanks for pointing this stuff out in my pastes btw

anything else look out of place

[sudden remnant]

what am i looking at

[sudden remnant]

i just saw a video of a reg F team with plusle and minun 💀

[ocean pawn]

this is where i came in my cup at locals

[warm estuary]

…..What

[vivid jungle]

Is garganacl any good or is any form of Ursaluna just straight up better?

[vivid jungle]

Valid

Second worst Electro Pokémon(s) btw

[warm estuary]

They are very different but I would say ursaluna is better

I never really watched any type of garganacl set

[vivid jungle]

I feel like garganacl is more of a Slow played tank and ursa a big damage dealer

I'm looking for a Zamazenta replacement in reg F

[warm estuary]

Except the one garganacl that was in a team with schyter ofc

[vivid jungle]

Salt man creature

[warm estuary]

I dunno

[vivid jungle]

Archaludon is decent with the power herb, even out of the rain right?

[sudden remnant]

im so serious

[sudden remnant]

yes

[sudden remnant]

DO NOT INSULT MINUN I LOVE THAT LITTLE GUY (i dont care about plusle tho go at it)

[vivid jungle]

Vex

How's your Umbreon team going so far?

[sudden remnant]

i havent touched showdown in over a month 👨‍🦯

[vivid jungle]

Pff

[sudden remnant]

ive been busy bro i have a life

[vivid jungle]

Just so you know my Sylveon is doing great in reg I

[vivid jungle]

I am in my exam phase

[sudden remnant]

why even bother with 85 special defense atp just slap the points into hp and SpA 🫩

[sudden remnant]

hmmmmmmm

so apparently plusle is “more” offensive and minun is “more” defensive which makes no damn sense since they just swap 20 points around

[vivid jungle]

Yeah

And they also don't have fake out-

[sudden remnant]

minun is my goat tho i love that little guy

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-amie-minun-stimming-stim-gif-10247612380913500844

im so gen 3 coded and it shows

[vivid jungle]

It's a silly creature

I think both of them are rather used to introduce the Double battle mechanic

Like tutorial Pokemons

[sudden remnant]

and its support movepool isnt bad, with the unfortunate lack of the fake out or follow me the other pikaclones have (not you dedene)

[vivid jungle]

There's just.. pretty much no reason to use them because there are so many better alternatives

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-plus-and-minus-gif-978626627634328118

minun is just like me fr

[supple latch]

And while we’re here

[dull ibex]

Quiver dance struggle bug volc just cripples special teams

[leaden fox]

Majority of them yeah

[dull ibex]

Ye

[leaden fox]

Hence why having a member with Haze may be a good idea at times

Though I don’t remember all the mons with Haze 😅

[dull ibex]

Not worth it imo

[leaden fox]

At times it can be; just depends what else that member brings 😅

Though only Prankster mon that gets it is Murkrow

But I know Greninja gets it and it is rather fast

[rustic mountain]

hit mball 18-4 put me at rank 147
had a few losses to some rough rng including double dark pulse flinch into a crit

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/atrocityTCG/status/2030434919013380480?s=20

Atrocity - babygirl analisys profesionale (@atrocityTCG)

Champions introducing singles players to VGC is gonna hit the format like the meteor that extinguished the dinosaurs

X · Mar 8, 2026, 12:06 AM

[stone trellis]

It's weird to me how Black and White never had a restricted format.

Which restricted(s) would even be the best back then?

[near crag]

Did game freak say the May GC is going to be in champions?

[dapper crag]

Yes

[timber schooner]

Could someone help me with finishing a team

[left bobcat]

Horses don’t stop they keep going

[leaden fox]

I think we're mostly waiting to see what mons are allowed in the first Champions format too; so here is hoping no issues 😅

[shadow wind]

Restricted formats weren’t really a thing back then

Just look at Gen 4

[foggy lodge]

4 restricteds allowed,,,

[shadow wind]

I mean he only used 3

Groudon Kyogre and Dialga

[bold geode]

Hard TR won San Juan

[dull ibex]

send the team

ill test it on showdown

[sudden remnant]

probably still kyogre and groudon

[molten oasis]

1400 with Zac Lunala!

I’m making progress baybe

[solid frigate]

Yey

[dull ibex]

im trying setup volc

[molten oasis]

How’s that going?

[dull ibex]

its going alright

[molten oasis]

Nice, volcs a fun Mon

My final push on Cart ladder will be with Zac Lunala

[dull ibex]

im at the bottom of ladder

[rustic mountain]

incin seein that like:

[molten oasis]

Incin when meteor beam

Lemme get the paste lol

[rustic mountain]

incin wen it misses or it gets used b4 it comes in:

[molten oasis]

https://pokepast.es/8a7f75d22f4f52c7 I have stuff for incin im well aware that duo is generally so shit into incin

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/green-alien-cat-green-alien-cat-meme-cat-rage-meme-angry-alien-cat-gif-16978295465898295971

[rustic mountain]

def is good mons

[molten oasis]

Tho what I’ve learned from using this duo is that like, I really like Lunala as a Mon

[rustic mountain]

lunalas cool, now that i hit mball imma take my shiny lunala and koraidon for a spin

ill work in shiny miraidon somehow

[molten oasis]

I want a shiny Lunala

[rustic mountain]

hunted it in das, wasnt too bad

[molten oasis]

But I don’t wanna go deal with hunting the SWSH Dex

Cuz my saves got wiped

[rustic mountain]

u can skip to tundra p quick, 1/300 isnt awful

[molten oasis]

It’s 1/300?

That’s not as bad I guess

[rustic mountain]

w/ no charm yea

charm makes it 1/100

[molten oasis]

Gotcha

Man if I learned that I liked Lunala and Miraidon sooner I probably would have been more open to playing that lmao

[dense latch]

DAs were one of my favorite shiny hunting methods when i played with other ppl

last time i tried it was pretty difficult to find players but you can solo most legendaries + being able to disable animations makes them way quicker

[foggy lodge]

I have to search a shiny Heatran

[next stump]

if you have enough of the ore resource you can do the method where you repeat the same path over and over again

that was really nice for finding landorus

[molten oasis]

Hm, ok

LUNALA’S IN SHIELD DAMMIT

https://tenor.com/view/green-alien-cat-green-alien-cat-meme-cat-rage-meme-angry-alien-cat-gif-16978295465898295971

[dense latch]

you can still get them if you manage to find someone with the path

i can check my game to see if i have it saved

[molten oasis]

Ok

Might start doing that overtime cuz Lunala’s shiny is really pretty

[dense latch]

i was doing this one but the spread moves got the bots too quickly

even my best paths had lando wiping the team

[foggy lodge]

I can help you

I need to get a 0 atk Lunala in the end lol

Well maybe not cuz maybe champions kills IVs

But who knows maybe i do need it

[dense latch]

idk if i wanna prioritize getting the za charm first or try and do some DAs for the first time in a bit

i just need a few link trade evos to get the charm

[molten oasis]

Bet

[shadow wind]

Man screw this time change

And it fell on the one time I needed to be up early and of course my power went out and my alarm clock got turned off

L day, only thing that would make it better would be a Pokémon champions shadow drop 😔

[dull ibex]

How do you pilot it

[foggy lodge]

not possible you get a ladder session of 3 hours where you fight Incin rilla 5 times in a row

[shadow wind]

Groudon will handle this !

Nah I’m taking a small vgc break until champs

Been getting into speedrunning Minecraft

[molten oasis]

Great question.

[shadow wind]

Volt switch + tr

Boom you win up until 1400s

[vernal cipher]

Hey, I'm new to this discord, but I was looking for some team building advice. I'm trying to play in the Reg I ranked mode in the actual switch games 😅

This is the team I was putting together, but I don't feel like Archaludon fits very well. Any suggestions??

https://pokepast.es/f6e67a69976d5ef6

[shadow wind]

You’d really benefit from a terrain setter

Maybe Indeedee over Farig?

And yeah the Archaludon seems like a free loader

[next stump]

screens really fits a team like this as well

[shadow wind]

Maybe a Lando work better

[shadow wind]

I feel like the CIR will out stall the usefulness of the screens

[foggy lodge]

Yeh but at the same time

How do you kill the CIR with lefties and leech seed behind screens

[molten oasis]

Crits

Cuz, otherwise you’re kinda cooked

[shadow wind]

Or just wait out the screens

8 turns may feel like an eternity but no invest CIR with no boosts is manageable

[dull ibex]

how would scarf mirai be on a lunala team?

[molten oasis]

Ah yes wait out 8 turns while you lose all your hp to leech seed and glacial lance

[molten oasis]

Meh, you want specs

Unless you do calm mind Lunala with rilla and incin

[dull ibex]

DO I need bulk on mirai?

[shadow wind]

You’d have to if it’s screens

Bro wants to do 12% each turn just to see the CIR be at 100% every turn again

Purgatory simulator

[dull ibex]

can i get away with max max specs?

[molten oasis]

Sure

But you’d prefer some bulk

[dull ibex]

im running screens

hey drago are you on sv rn?

[left bobcat]

Yo, where am I?

[molten oasis]

Working

[dull ibex]

sadge

[sudden remnant]

this guy is talking about rockpon and the anti synergy between wood hammer and sturdy but didnt bother to mention horn leech 🙁

[solid frigate]

Horn leech is fine but Power Whip is the more common one

Horn leech does too little damage for it to worth while when Most Cornerstone run Max Speed Max Attack (it doesn’t one shot Urshifu btw)

[sudden remnant]

ive one shot waterfu with horn leech more times than i can count

[foggy lodge]

Run wood hammer friends

Wood hammer better

[sudden remnant]

recoil on a sturdy mon is no bueno

[foggy lodge]

Yeah but for me it has been a whatever

I've been punished worse by missing the power whip than by breaking the sturdy

And one is on my responsability

While the other one depends on the RNG

[sudden remnant]

i just run horn leech to not miss AND not deal with recoil

also the extra survivability is very nice

and i dont even USE rockpon i use fire and water

[foggy lodge]

The only match ups where I actually felt like I needed power whip over wood hammer was Groudon lol

Cuz there hitting Groudon is a 50/50 where you have to call if it teras or not

[solid frigate]

252 Atk Cornerstone Mask Ogerpon-Cornerstone Horn Leech vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Urshifu-Rapid-Strike: 146-174 (82.9 - 98.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Unless you run Adamant

[foggy lodge]

And being able to power whip as they tera while surviving their attack and hitting them with cudgel next turn was gane changing

[sudden remnant]

i do run adamant in fact

[rustic mountain]

rip grasspon

[sudden remnant]

grasspon just got shafted by the passive of the masks

[solid frigate]

I almost used Grasspon cuz Nova give me the idea on using it lmfao

[rustic mountain]

grasspon has the 1 benefit of bein able to run an item

defiant + speed boost isnt bad

[foggy lodge]

Its super niche

[rustic mountain]

and yet still not much consistency from it

[foggy lodge]

I like how grasspon randomly appears top 4s a tournament and dissapears

[rustic mountain]

it did like, once

[sudden remnant]

and the others get free additional STAB from the masks in addition to a secondary typings that poni very much likes since pure grass is uh, not great typing

[solid frigate]

Wait is it that Bullet seed set one

[rustic mountain]

i forget i think boyt ran it tho

[foggy lodge]

I liked the Tangs' grasspon team

It used that bullet seed set

[solid frigate]

I think it’s Tang’s yeah so probably not Boyt’s

[rustic mountain]

still too normal for boyt

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/ogerpon-pokemon-pokemon-scarlet-pokemon-violet-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-gif-5437978559294236613

[dense latch]

eric rios got top 4 with grasspon in reg i naic iirc

that was a fun team

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/tonikaku-kawaii-tonikaku-tsukasa-anime-anime-happy-gif-22929974

[rustic mountain]

yea forgot bout that 1

[shadow wind]

That was loaded dice bullet seed too right?

[dense latch]

covert cloak encore

and taunt

[shadow wind]

Ah ok

The loaded dice bullet seed set was also cool

Wait Grasspon secret Reg F weapon??

[left bobcat]

Wait WHAT?

[shadow wind]

Can we start bringing back hashtags?

[foggy lodge]

Yes

#grasspongang

[shadow wind]

#MojangCountYourDays

[bold geode]

#yourmom

https://tenor.com/view/rpx-syria-mic-drop-gif-19149907

[shadow wind]

They fried me with this end bro

Negative chance a guy is one cycling this

[molten oasis]

The one that drops off the void dude

That sucks

[shadow wind]

Not even that

Look at the portal

That overhang 😭

#IFailedTheOneCycle

Lowkey minecraft speedrunning ranked is so fun

New hyperfixation just dropped

But the entry level is way higher than I expected

Like I was learning and practicing for a good 4 hours before I became competent

Maybe it's the same for mons though

[molten oasis]

Oh… that sucks lmao

[rustic mountain]

conner not talkin about groudon wow #growth

[shadow wind]

#Groudon

[sudden remnant]

@rustic mountain you reminded him to mention groudon today

[rustic mountain]

i cant imagine that being the cause, hed mention it eventually

[sudden remnant]

you sped up the process

[shadow wind]

It is inevitable

Tomorrow I get to see if the Groudon Zacian team got totw

[sudden remnant]

okay Thanos

[shadow wind]

I kinda doubt it did

[sudden remnant]

i can find Minun somewhere in the indigo disk right?

[leaden fox]

Should do yeah

[empty saddle]

i dont understand why randbats players always go to the luck excuse its literally pokemon

ive lost so many more times than ive won because of crits, full paras, 1 turn/3 turn sleeps, focus blast misses, etc etc etc etc etc

[solid frigate]

It’s funny when they are mad at luck on a format where luck is literally started in turn 0

[sudden remnant]

i found it, leveled it to 50, maxed out its spa and spe evs, hyper trained it, and transferred it to brilliant diamond lmao

[empty saddle]

literally

[fluid fiber]

I desperately want Stonjourner to get helping hand

Also has anyone tried to use symbiosis with booster energy flutter? Lets you do some wonky stuff

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regfbo3-2555206536

[bold geode]

It's a skinwalker, don't trust it

[bold geode]

Low-key a lot of the time people complain about luck, it's a skill issue

That or they'd rather just blame luck than figure out where they went wrong

[empty saddle]

nah lowkey i only won because i crit his umbreon icl

gen 6 randbats really gave that guy tropius umbreon dedenne and vaporeon in that battle

[solid frigate]

[empty saddle]

im also on a run of like 20 battles with no hazards and no spinners

[solid frigate]

That’s basically me when I am playing randbats ngl

[bold geode]

Bruh

[shadow wind]

Why do wisdom teeth exist 😔

Worst human feature ever

[foggy lodge]

I got all 4 of my wisdom teeth removed at the same time

I looked like a chipmunk

[shadow wind]

I’m getting all 3 that I have out soon

[foggy lodge]

Its doesn't hurt too much tbh

[shadow wind]

I was only born with 3 so #blessed

I’m trying to get knocked out for this

I hate anything medical

Terrible with that stuff

[foggy lodge]

I had 3 already out and one hidden

But they also removed it so they had to cut lol

[shadow wind]

All 3 of mine are showing

[foggy lodge]

Atleast you are not gonna deal with that part

My only tip is close your eyes while they do it

[shadow wind]

Oh 100%

The more you see the worse things you think

[foggy lodge]

I had a friend that panicked cuz she saw blood when she opened her eyes

So they had to put more anesthesia

[shadow wind]

They do oral sedation at my dentist so at least I won’t remember any of it

Hopefully

[foggy lodge]

but yeah dude #goodluck

[shadow wind]

#ThanksGang

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/angelina-gilberta-arknights-endfield-gif-11189945124697171991

[gentle crag]

Result: 187.500000

Result: 202.500000

Result: 205.500000

[warm estuary]

Is that the one character from arknights?

[sudden remnant]

yes

her name is Gilberta

[warm estuary]

Cool

I lowk wanna try arknights

[sudden remnant]

better start before the 1.x benefits go away gang

[craggy dagger]

yes

it’s angelina from talos 2

[sudden remnant]

gilberta

[craggy dagger]

angelina

[sudden remnant]

🙁

Gilberta 🙁

[craggy dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/arknights-angelina-arknights-angelina-83415082-gif-19265783

Angie!

[sudden remnant]

same same but different

https://tenor.com/view/the-interview-james-franco-david-skylark-same-but-different-but-still-same-gif-4956158

[craggy dagger]

yes

[sudden remnant]

chat its hot outside can it go back to being 40 degrees

its 70 without a cloud in the sky

is this peak yes or yes

[shadow wind]

Yo I'm kinda nasty

#Improving

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/how-did-we-get-here-minecraft-achievement-advancement-gif-25679370

[shadow wind]

Oh nah

I'm mad

Bro forfeit as I was on pb pace 😭

That's actually really annoying

But on a pokemon note

They really wait a while to post the totws

[sudden remnant]

peak

[dull ibex]

is mega scrafty gonna give incin some competition?

[next stump]

unfortunately i don’t think so

[dull ibex]

do we know its ability yet?

Might be a mean sweeper if not

[shadow wind]

Moxie just gets outpaced by intimidate every time

If that's what you're thinking

[bold geode]

I want you to think about that one

[dull ibex]

I did

[bold geode]

Ok good

[dull ibex]

I said mega

[bold geode]

Yeah
I want you to think about that

It's Incineroar

Actually disregarding the joke lemme break it down

[dull ibex]

could be a mean sweeper maybe even paired with the cat

[bold geode]

So like let's disregard that it's typing is worse

Cuz honestly it's tough to be a setup sweeper when you're that weak to Fairies (not impossible but really rough)

It's other thing is being a support
It got Fake Out, Intimidate and Parting Shot now

So not even looking at the typing

Why use the mega and get the same things Incineroar gives ya

When you can just use Incineroar
And free up your mega for another guy

It's outclassed in one area by a non mega and the only other way you run it probably is like
Probably better on other mons ngl

[dull ibex]

counter point

I like the white hood

[bold geode]

I'd like to see that white hood keep you alive from the incoming Dazzling Gleam

[dull ibex]

That's why we build around mons

[bold geode]

Actually you also gotta run coverage to even hit Fairies too

[dull ibex]

poison jab or some siht

[bold geode]

Yeah but basically think of it as a restricted format

Why use Mewtwo when you can use Shadow Rider

Just way better megas

[dull ibex]

yeah like the one im actually going to use

salamence lmao

[bold geode]

Low-key it's not even the best

Not bad

Somehow it's the one mega I think has a bit more trouble now

Actually it's fucked bro, unless the new mega abilities be real busted somehow all those new megas and the best one is still probably Mega Kang

Whoever loses to LeBron I guess

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/275f83e29361e9be this team boutta run reg m-a

jk but I might see some success with it on ladder

im not 100% sold on aegi

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-anime-frieren-fern-frieren-dance-frieren-dancing-gif-10361930884375499778

[bold geode]

@rustic mountain Real talk who you think probably the best mega

[sudden remnant]

there its broken down

[sudden remnant]

we dont even know what mons are legal yet gang slow your roll

[dull ibex]

that doesnt stop theory crafting

[bold geode]

Theory crafters when I unleash Reg I rerun into the mix

[dull ibex]

im so excited for champions

[sudden remnant]

we’re talking about m-a where did reg I come from

[bold geode]

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhh
LOOK OVER THERE

https://tenor.com/view/shusher-home-captain-smek-gif-16112908977447177811

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-winds-and-waves-meme-pokemon-winds-and-waves-meme-pombon-gif-9556103065735995896

[dull ibex]

you are idiot

[sudden remnant]

your shusher has no effect on me

im a steel ground type i quad resist rock

[bold geode]

Wrong, sulfuric acid

[sudden remnant]

id still be immune sulfuric acid is poisonous and im a steel type

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blep-gif-27395371

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-piccolo-dragonballs-gif-11321217

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-amie-minun-stimming-stim-gif-10247612380913500844

we play competitive pokemon all of us here are nerds

[shadow wind]

Hey whoa

I love going outside and touching grass

[sudden remnant]

so do i that doesnt make you not a nerd

it just makes you a nerd that touches grass

[sudden remnant]

wait how does a groudon touch grass

doesnt it take like half your health

[bold geode]

Ew gross

Get the fuck outta here

[craggy dagger]

Stinky

[sudden remnant]

what was wolfey cooking 😭

[bold geode]

Content

[sudden remnant]

he got top cut so he must be cooking something good

[next stump]

i think when you’re as good as wolfey, top cutting a 150 player tournament is like you and me winning 1 or 2 sets total

such a huge player gap over random limitless player 5000

[bold geode]

Honestly real kind of rn

I mean it can probably be said for other times but especially RN when not that many players in the actual circuit participate in Limitless tournaments, it's like harder to judge it

Plus dude is a content creator as well alongside a skilled player, like not only is he good and has experience, but he has some experience using weird shit like that

[dull ibex]

is leech seed the best way to use ice rider?

[dense latch]

up to preference imo

[dull ibex]

I want to have an offensive team and a leech seed team

[dense latch]

both hhp and leech seed sets are great and their usage rates are kinda even

[dull ibex]

what six should i use for a HHP

[dense latch]

i mean there's a lot of options

do you have core of like three or four mons you wanna use

[dull ibex]

Miraidon Ice Rider

and smeargle maybe?

[dense latch]

idt smeargle fits great there

[dull ibex]

then No I don't

https://pokepast.es/848da6c0d1b24603 maybe this six?

with different sets and spreads obvs

[dense latch]

cir hands farig incin mirai seems alright

i think hands lost a bit of usage near the end of the format bc ursh was just better but it's still strong

[dull ibex]

which ursh

[dense latch]

water

cir lando incin ursh mirai amoong won senior worlds and mdb used it for a while

that was my favorite six in reg i

[dull ibex]

Ill try that sick

[dense latch]

i can find the team report

[dull ibex]

if theres a rental

[dense latch]

https://victoryroad.pro/2026/01/15/kevin-han-worlds/ evs here

idk if there's a rental

[dull ibex]

I have my own spreads I want to use ngl

[dense latch]

thats fine

[dull ibex]

trhanks for the report though

[dense latch]

should help with gameplans and lines anyways

[dull ibex]

Unless you can help me reset all of these EVs lmao

[bold geode]

It makes me sad that you never use the spreads

[dull ibex]

If you have 6 fresh start mochi I can do the rest myself

It's just so brutal to reset 6 Pokémon myself

[bold geode]

I feel like if ya can't grind, Champions might kill ya

[dull ibex]

champions will be ALOT easier

[bold geode]

Not really idt

[dull ibex]

they are giving me 50 free spreads

because im going to buy that starter pack

[bold geode]

That are probably suboptimal

[dull ibex]

no I meant the training tickets

You will also get 50 Training Tickets and 30 Quick Tickets

quick tickets lower the ranch timer

[sudden remnant]

my favorite is his mono normal team running fletchling as a tw mon

[rustic mountain]

i hav no idea

[bold geode]

See my thing is like

I know we don't know the new mega abilities yet

But I feel like unless they're just omega broken, it's just like Mega Metagross
Or Salamence
Or Mega Kang again

Probably Mega Kang, that Pokemon is just fuckin insane

[bold geode]

In fact y'know what's crazy cuz I was thinking about it speaking on Mega Kang

It was nerfed further technically

Not only did it lose PUP (unless it keeps it in Champions from ZA)

But it lost Return and Frustration which were probably two of its best moves

[foggy lodge]

Los Angeles must be champions already right

[dull ibex]

monke

wanna vc?

[bold geode]

I'm finna shower and then idk what I'm doing tbh

[dull ibex]

ok

im 81-94

[bold geode]

💀

[dull ibex]

shut uP!

this regulation is hard okay

[bold geode]

Meh

Also Outdoor Boys is a vibe

[dull ibex]

my screens team is probably my best bet ngl

[rustic mountain]

yea idk i think kang will b solid but all the nerfs u mentioned and like parental bond nerf i think make it not as strong

[dapper crag]

Ray Rizzo said Raichu X could get Electric Surge. There was electric terrain in its cameo

[rustic mountain]

mence does seem very good still but even then its tough to say cuz vgc is p different now then wen megas were first introduced

[dapper crag]

I’m sure Mega Salamence will always be good

[bold geode]

Oh it's not as strong for sure but like
Still objectively good which is honestly wild considering all the nerfs it's had

[bold geode]

It's not bad, but it also gets fucked by coverage

[bold geode]

One of your biggest issues is honestly that the spreads could be better but well
I think you know that as well as I do

[dull ibex]

I think its just my piloting

Im doing alot of losing with better spreads

I have used rentals before

[bold geode]

I mean that too but like

1. You don't know what other spreads do, which sucks cuz those spreads do specific things and are/could be objectively better
2. Deadass you play like a moth sometimes

Like I feel sometimes you just see lamp and you don't think before flying into lamp

[molten oasis]

Damn

[bold geode]

And then get zapped by a fly trap

[bold geode]

You just suck balls /j

[dull ibex]

I blame drago

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/green-alien-cat-green-alien-cat-meme-cat-rage-meme-angry-alien-cat-gif-16978295465898295971

[bold geode]

Honestly good answer nephew

[dull ibex]

im finding more success with my screens team

I think the six fit better together

https://pokepast.es/ff710383ff3aea1c

[bold geode]

Also your play is very one dimensional

[dapper crag]

What options does it have?

[bold geode]

It's physical right

[bold geode]

Yeah it being physical fucks it cuz like

How do you really hit Grass or Ground types that well

[dull ibex]

I like the extra bulk on my ice rider

its funny to set up kos that boost me

[dapper crag]

You really have to bank on a neutral hit or your ally

I guess Electric Surge would be balanced on it in that case

[molten oasis]

We’ll see how good it ends up being

[bold geode]

Nah I mean Electric Surge for it is pretty good if that's the case

[dapper crag]

We think Y will be better depending on ability?

[molten oasis]

Ability dependent but it looks like the better choice

[bold geode]

Not saying it makes Raichu X crazy, it's Raichu after all

[bold geode]

Depends on ability but probably

[dapper crag]

I think it’s either Levitate or Electric Surge for X

[dapper crag]

What’s your bet?

[bold geode]

Actually shit Raichu doesn't have good special coverage either huh

You got Grass Knot for Ground types at least but fuck hitting a Grass type

[dapper crag]

And surf

[bold geode]

Surf bad

[dapper crag]

Because it hits your ally?

[bold geode]

Well
Singles it's not that bad? Not sure

But yeah in doubles you don't wanna hit your ally really

Not just because you're potentially knocking yourself out

But the thing is spread attacks technically get weaker the more things it hits

[dapper crag]

Definitely knocking yourself out off a base 160 special attack

[dapper crag]

It does?

How?

[bold geode]

Like iirc, hitting two targets with a spread move like D Gleam does like 75% the damage it would do to a single target? And then it gets even weaker when you hit an ally

[dapper crag]

I thought that was just in battle royal

[bold geode]

Not sure exactly but it's probably just how they code the moves like that to make sure they're not TOO busted

[rustic mountain]

i think inner focus being buffed is a huge help as well as scrappy buff

[bold geode]

It's the same with screens
Iirc in singles it weakens damage by 50% meanwhile in doubles it's 33%?

[dull ibex]

monke how do you feel about moth on this team

[bold geode]

Oh yeah so like
In the game Marvel Rivals there was a character named Emma Frost that I feel Mega Kang is kinda like
Basically she was like
Very broken at start and they nerfed her repeatedly until she was "fair" before she got a buff
I feel that's how Kang is tbh

[dapper crag]

Well I’ll be damned 25% power reduction for spread attacks

[bold geode]

Its been nerfed and nerfed and now it got a buff to keep it balanced out

[bold geode]

Yeah so 75% for two targets and I guess it's 50% for three

It's why if you've ever seen the Disquake strategy why they always use a Ground type for it, that way you're not hitting your own ally with Discharge

[dapper crag]

No

[bold geode]

Tree what's the math for the damage for hitting 3 targets on the field

[foggy lodge]

75% too

Discharge for example only gets nerfed to 75%

[bold geode]

So it doesn't get weaker when you hit all 3? I thought it did

[foggy lodge]

Believe me if it got nerfed to 50%

[dapper crag]

Just good practice anyway

[foggy lodge]

You wouldn't have seen Miraidon destroying everything with discharge

[molten oasis]

Yes it’s 75% damage

[rustic mountain]

should still b 75%

iirc

[bold geode]

I mean tbf you hardly ever see Discharge or EQ being clicked in situations where you hit all 3 so

[bold geode]

Counterpoint: Miraidon

[foggy lodge]

Counterpoint: you don't know the calcs

[molten oasis]

Idt that a 40 BP move would have been doing those numbers

[rustic mountain]

yea id say that id agree w/ that but id imagine atleast a few of the new megas r gna b very good

[molten oasis]

Golispod! (Totally not cope

[rustic mountain]

might drop kang lower

[bold geode]

Counterpoint: it's Miraidon

[bold geode]

Oh yeah for sure