#competitive_discussion

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sudden remnant
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reg A was meowscarada laughing as it said fuck you to dozogiris stat boosts

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bold geode
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Mr Pikachu, I will download the Pokemon Black White from the internet if we do not get Regulation G

molten oasis
bold geode
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Didn't DozoGiri lose every Reg A event

sudden remnant
molten oasis
bold geode
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Ah yes
The "but x" argument

bold geode
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bold geode
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I mean tbf it took til January for Bolt Balance to win

molten oasis
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It had a huge target on its back

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Murkrow was also really popular for that, wild format

bold geode
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Murkrow Gholdengo

molten oasis
sudden remnant
molten oasis
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Mausape and armadeedee

bold geode
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Oh God

molten oasis
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We didn't know what we had when our biggest concern was mausape

bold geode
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Yeah Reg A was honestly horse ass in a way

molten oasis
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Created 2 pretty hated duos

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Mausape and armadeedee

sudden remnant
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bold geode
molten oasis
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Gyarados was niche

bold geode
molten oasis
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Arcanine was top tier

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bold geode
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Now Reg C honestly wasn't that bad except for like

molten oasis
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Ting Lu

bold geode
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One event having 75% Flutter usage

shadow wind
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Would you guys consider Weezing gimmicky?

molten oasis
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Flutter fish

foggy lodge
molten oasis
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Fissure ting Lu format

bold geode
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Honestly other than the 75% Flutter usage, it wasn't that bad

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Sure it had its duos and it's cores and shit

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But every format got that

molten oasis
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True

bold geode
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Me when the Flutter Chi turns to Torn Ursh

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dull ibex
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monke did you see the team I swapped too

bold geode
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Yeah people would use Fissure on their own Corviknight to proc Ting Lu Tantrum boost

bold geode
molten oasis
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Seriously?

dull ibex
molten oasis
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That was a thing? lol

bold geode
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Yeah it was a thing Drago LMAO

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bold geode
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Little more niche but still

molten oasis
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Definitely

sudden remnant
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i think Reg G (the first time) was the last regulation i actually enjoyed

shadow wind
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@molten oasis This team might be terrible into Smeargle

molten oasis
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man

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Stupid dog

sudden remnant
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rustic mountain
sudden remnant
rustic mountain
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smeargle muk is gimmicky

shadow wind
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I'm having a crazy argument over showdown about a guys team being "gimmicky"

rustic mountain
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drifblim minimize/dozogiri is gimmicky, to a lesser extent but still

sudden remnant
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i wanna run storm drain tatsugiri

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why? cuz whos gonna stop me

shadow wind
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Gweezing Murkrow with ability shield lead clicking tw misty explosion into specs Terapagos next to smeargle

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Gimmicky or not?

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sudden remnant
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Plus origin pulse

rustic mountain
sudden remnant
shadow wind
rustic mountain
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lol

sudden remnant
shadow wind
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And apparently teambuilding is directly correlated to your position

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Which teambuilding can help your position but positioning is purely battle stuff

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Not pre battle stuff

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It's a set check at best

rustic mountain
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. gimmicks are very much based on the strategy. if ur strategy gets expotentially worse wen ppl are aware, its more then likely a gimmick

tiny karmaBOT
bold geode
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Your position is board states, which ain't teambuilding

molten oasis
sudden remnant
bold geode
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At most, teambuilding only goes into a board state with certain damage calcs

rustic mountain
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your teambuilding directly influences what board states you can create/exploit, there is some correlation

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shadow wind
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Absolutely but in a situation like that it isn't the same

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They are extremely different things

rustic mountain
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both can be true

molten oasis
rustic mountain
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it was still a gimmick

molten oasis
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I remember trying hands with zacogre and it feeling very meh

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I think uh, for CSR Zacogre wants moon or pao, or both

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I could deal with csr somewhat, but zam was just oppressive

molten oasis
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Zama you should usually be able to handle with kyogre, if it Teraā€™s to, what was popular dragon or grass on zama in reg I?

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molten oasis
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Dragon you could utilize zacian against, grass would be torn but I see what you mean

rustic mountain
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usually one or the other some went tera ghost iirc

molten oasis
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I liked hurricane torn on Zacogre

sudden remnant
molten oasis
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Not having to worry about wide guard was kinda sick

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I could easily see double genies on this too

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Amoonguss is also a pretty big help into zama

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molten oasis
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Was Fari good?

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I feel like you could usually get around rilla and bolt fine with zacian

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molten oasis
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Fair enough

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The all star was flutter tho

molten oasis
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Yeah hands does look out of place, no shifu is also, kinda odd

left bobcat
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Indeed

molten oasis
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What i lead most often was flutter ogre, bc i could taunt for tr and break sash with icy wind, to nuke with spout. Could icy wind, protect, and switch to farig too

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Torn was moreso for teams with a lot of grass types, or very strong speed control

shadow wind
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Might just have to settle for 27th on the ladder

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I'm doin real bad now

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My lack of sleep control is making this team extremely hard to play

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Although I have another idea

bold geode
bold geode
shadow wind
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Eterrain, redirection with goggles, taunt

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Stuff like that

stone trellis
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shadow wind
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Thoughts?

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Might struggle a bit against tera water cir, scarf ursh (with weather ofc), and maybe smeargle. Luna koraidon seems somewhat difficult too, but overall seems solid. You should patch those issues no problem with the last two mons

molten oasis
molten oasis
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Wanna like flesh out the idea a bit lol

shadow wind
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Well I'm not sure if I want to go QD Volc or not

molten oasis
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Uhm, well what sets you thinking for Zac and groudon?

shadow wind
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Same as before

molten oasis
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I assume moon is just tailwind acro stuff?

shadow wind
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They have like 2 sets

shadow wind
molten oasis
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Sash moon?

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shadow wind
molten oasis
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Hm, okay, probably support volc here

shadow wind
molten oasis
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Solid

shadow wind
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Oh actually I'm going to go helmet and wisp on Volc

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Then change wisp on Groudon for something

stone trellis
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shadow wind
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HH is useless and tpunch is too with Bolt on the team

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stone trellis
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What are the other three moves?

shadow wind
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What other 3 moves does Groudon run

stone trellis
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It always runs the same four moves unless it's AV.

shadow wind
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Well it ain't av

stone trellis
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P-Blades, HHP, Heat Crash and Protect.

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So which one did you forgo?

shadow wind
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HHP is usually bulk up on my sets

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So I went wisp on this set but if Volc has wisp there's no point in double wisping

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Always can do good'ol reliable swords dance, but hh is awesome

stone trellis
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Bulk Up or SD is good, yeah.

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SD's only problem is that it's mainly worth it on things that can just naturally outspeed most other targets.

molten oasis
shadow wind
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Helping hand

molten oasis
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Oh

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Bulk up ig

shadow wind
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A brother is never getting a bulk up off

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Might just have to submit the team with the peak I had earlier at 27th

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Move onto another Groudon partner

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Cause all these teams are just missing

molten oasis
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Sad

stone trellis
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You ever tried Tera Fire CIR?

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stone trellis
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I have a team with those two and Volcarona in it.

shadow wind
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Eh I think I'm just done with thinking with Zacian

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shadow wind
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Groudon AND Zacian on one team is going to be too much for me

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I peaked 27th on ladder and that's good enough for me

stone trellis
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I might try using Zacian as a break from CIR-Mirai.

shadow wind
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And submitted

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Now onto the next Groudon partner

sudden remnant
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my nidoqueen just crit body slam on an arena trap diglett

shadow wind
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Or I just take a break from vgc cause it's all I've been doing

stone trellis
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So Zacian, Kyogre, Shifu and who else?

shadow wind
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Lando probably

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Torn

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Amoonguss

sudden remnant
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amogsus

stone trellis
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Too many special attackers/non-attackers, calm down.

dense latch
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roaring moon was in most best performing swordfish teams

shadow wind
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True

stone trellis
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Oh yeah, he does things.

shadow wind
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Eirk I need a new Groudon partner

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That isn't CIR

stone trellis
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Do it.

shadow wind
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Nah it's just mu fishing

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One Kyogre and you lose

stone trellis
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Wide Guard.

shadow wind
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I tried it in the past and disliked it

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stone trellis
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Bolt.

sudden remnant
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i found an arena trap dugtrio my sandshrew can retire

stone trellis
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Boom, problem solved.

shadow wind
stone trellis
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Why are we calling it "SwordFish" if Kyogre is a fucking orca?

shadow wind
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Fih

stone trellis
shadow wind
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I'm not doing it gang

shadow wind
stone trellis
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Screw you, Conner.

shadow wind
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!

sudden remnant
stone trellis
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I was trying to lead you down the same path that made me create PTFK and become CIR-carried.

shadow wind
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Bro stop mentioning yo one team šŸ˜­

stone trellis
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But no, you just have to have free will.

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It's the one good thing I've made so far, I'll only stop mentioning it when I create another team from the ground up that becomes more successful than it.

shadow wind
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But why do you need to mention it every 2 days

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I don't mention any one of my teams like ever

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
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Just go use serebii twin

sudden remnant
shadow wind
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Didn't realize you could choose the gen

sudden remnant
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you can do /learn pokemon and then gen

foggy lodge
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Okay Conner what can work with this fucking dinosaur

sudden remnant
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meowth is my pickup+hm slave

foggy lodge
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Lunala is cool

shadow wind
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Like you wanna play it ?

sudden remnant
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im gonna have my nidoqueen be my surf mon tho

shadow wind
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Terapagos

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That's it

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Groudon Terapagos

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shadow wind
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I will not enter the hyperbolic time chamber

shadow wind
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Still pretty nice to do something other than pblades

shadow wind
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Heat crash is still 120 bp most of the time it's gonna be fine

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I'll just need to lock in on positioning

sudden remnant
shadow wind
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Yeah cause apparently that's all positioning

sudden remnant
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according to that guy at least šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø

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how the fuck did magnitude 6 only do 5 damage to my nidoqueen

tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
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oh thats why

shadow wind
foggy lodge
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holy shit that's a lorb bonnet

shadow wind
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Sure is

sudden remnant
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butterfree has compound eyes in this game right?

shadow wind
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Brodie we're a comp chat

sudden remnant
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my question is very competitive šŸ˜

shadow wind
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We have literally zero clue and there's this info online

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Yuck

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Might need some more thought

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Vest is probably best on groudon pagos teams

shadow wind
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Lefties is like 16x + 1 for the value right?

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Or is just exactly 16x

stone trellis
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Exactly 16x.

sudden remnant
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chat remind me never to play a kanto game again šŸ«©

left bobcat
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Ok

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Donā€™t play kanto game ever again

sudden remnant
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LITERALLY

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i was stuck in rock tunnel for over an hour

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one fucking geoduce after another

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and FURY SWIPES KEEPS MISSING

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i rememver now why i havent played this game in over 10 years

dull ibex
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Worked out for me personally

sudden remnant
dull ibex
sudden remnant
dull ibex
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they are flawed for sure

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oh back on topic though

sudden remnant
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my meowth also hasnt found me a hidden power tm either

dull ibex
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Im almost 1400 is that good?

sudden remnant
sudden remnant
indigo coral
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So people have played through enough of Pokopia that have the game already due to timezone differences to find out that ||Stereo Rotom is Electric/Normal type||. Seems like a lot of effort to make that and put it in the Pokopia Pokedex if it's not coming to the main series/VGC. Given that it already learns Hyper Voice in ScVi by TM, what are people's thoughts on a possible ||Electric/Normal type Rotom with Levitate and Boomburst|| in VGC?

tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
shadow wind
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Depends on the stats

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But typically boomburst is only niche

foggy lodge
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I thought that all the rotoms had the same stats

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
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Oh they do

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For some reason thought they were different

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Eh 105 spatk boomburst is pretty mid

tiny karmaBOT
foggy lodge
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Rotom just became a very mid PokƩmon

shadow wind
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I'm waiting for an -ate mon to get boomburst

foggy lodge
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Gen 4 pokemon with average stats

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The best thing of it is its typing cuz its actually very unique

shadow wind
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Only fire electric mon ever and it has levitate

foggy lodge
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Electric water is also pretty cool cuz the other option is this

tiny karmaBOT
foggy lodge
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what speed,,,??

rustic mountain
foggy lodge
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I mainly thought that like "oh a rotom that its inmune to astral barrage!!!" And then I thought like

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Okay but rotom against calyrex ice koraidon miraidon zama

rustic mountain
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hahaha

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yea i dont see it hanging in those kinda formats

dense latch
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yea all the rotom forms got outclassed hard this gen

rustic mountain
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but in general, 1 weakness isnt bad per say, normal/electric isnt horrible offensively

dense latch
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rotom wash and heat were fire in a few swsh formats

rustic mountain
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altogether i just dont see it that big of a deal

foggy lodge
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The only way I could see it working is if they rework the stats

dense latch
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50 hp is just tragic

foggy lodge
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If you rearrange the stats better maybe it could do something

rustic mountain
dense latch
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yea true

rustic mountain
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its been a good mon in vgc for years, i dont wanna say power creep has completely shut it out but it is a factor for wen legends and such start to come into play

foggy lodge
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My roman empire is the guy that came here saying that cinderace was good and could counter urshifu with bounce

dense latch
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how did i miss that

foggy lodge
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lmfao

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It was long ago but i remember it cuz it was so funny

dense latch
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how do you mourn something you never had in the first place

rustic mountain
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kinda funny to think about how 1 gen/mechanic can change a mons use completely

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dude

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its been so long since ive done sv cart im all the way back in beginner tier 1 lmfao

foggy lodge
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Me too

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I wanted to get to master ball but I'm lazy

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Please i hope champions rankeds are good

rustic mountain
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im doin it now

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lets see how many games

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first team 1 restricted and its ray

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2nd game no restricteds

molten oasis
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This Zac Mirai concept sucks

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Going back to Zacogre I guess

rustic mountain
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had some1 dc against me in the mirror lmao

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made some cool plays that game

dull ibex
dense latch
dull ibex
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ill fix that

dense latch
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and change samurott's ability i imagine you wanna keep it based on the team name

dull ibex
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I tried a game

dull ibex
rustic mountain
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ended at 13-1 for the night great ball 9 so many csr/zama mirrors lmao

shadow wind
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Reg I?

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Iā€™m going to predict a 74.3 GXE

molten oasis
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My cooking is washed as hell lol

shadow wind
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Reg I required a extremely precise picks and sets that if you miss by even a little bit the entire team will feel off

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I donā€™t really know how to explain it but I feel that way with a lot of my teams

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The vibe of them just sometimes feels terrible because of a single Mon

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Itā€™s why I make so many teams in any format actually

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Like Iā€™ll make an entirely different team with 5/6 of the same mons but somehow the entire dynamic will be different

molten oasis
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Itā€™s hard to make sure they all see play too

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The farigiraf on this team legit just exists

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It doesnā€™t go to anything

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Idk i definitely didnā€™t cook with this one

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Coaching into Zac feels so nice tho thereā€™s just not a good way to get it

shadow wind
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But they better be LeBron in that one game

shadow wind
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It seems awesome but Iā€™d rather have 2 mons dealing damage or applying status effects or anything else than super juicing my Groudon

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Does not apply for howl Gouging though

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That guy is LeBron in every game

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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Unfortunately howl doesnā€™t really work on zacian

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Gouging fire and zacian both suck into incin

rustic mountain
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doubling up on the ground weakness feels bad

cyan smelt
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Why not valiant, isn't valiant ok into incin

rustic mountain
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not really

molten oasis
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Itā€™s nice having a way to circumvent losing the boost but at the same time I donā€™t wanna use SD

shadow wind
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Cause your SD gets eaten by 1 parting shot and him coming back in

cyan smelt
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I mean incin is always gonna be a problem for zac

shadow wind
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I was thinking sd and then remembered how goated Incin was at his job

molten oasis
rustic mountain
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can howl go thru sub

shadow wind
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No

molten oasis
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Yes

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Wait what?

shadow wind
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Oh itā€™s coaching that doesnā€™t

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Nah I think youā€™re right

molten oasis
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Yeah coaching doesnā€™t howls a sound move

shadow wind
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I know coaching doesnā€™t go through

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
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Does sound proof mean that if your partner has it it wonā€™t get the +1?

molten oasis
molten oasis
shadow wind
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I mean in theory itā€™s a really good idea

rustic mountain
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idk idt it works actually

molten oasis
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Gimme a second

shadow wind
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I feel like I tested this before and it didnā€™t work

rustic mountain
shadow wind
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But it may have been coaching instead of howl

molten oasis
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Well letā€™s fact check this rq

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I have a coaching guy and a howl guy, someone wanna load up a quick SD match?

shadow wind
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Iā€™m in bed already so no can do

rustic mountain
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boutta step away for a few

shadow wind
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Just boot up 2 accounts

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I do that when testing

molten oasis
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Iā€™m on my phone

rustic mountain
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i mean idt theres a need according to multiple google accounts it doesnt work

molten oasis
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Damn

rustic mountain
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it bypasses protect but not sub

molten oasis
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Ik people were trying mist

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With like Suicune or smth

shadow wind
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I love protecting turn 1 with Groudon and howling with cloak Gouging

molten oasis
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Ik the real thing is just to play around incin but thatā€™s just generally really hard lol

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Incinā€™s tricky to remove

shadow wind
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Not if your name is specs Miraidon next to Farigiraf

molten oasis
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Specs Mirai isnā€™t good with zacian

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Your mu into CSR Zama is ass

shadow wind
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I agree

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Now what about scarf Kyogre

molten oasis
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Uhhhhh

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I donā€™t love losing the weather war to koraidon t1

shadow wind
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Thatā€™s a fair evaluation

molten oasis
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Like istg it has to be kyogre cuz it does too much for the dog

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
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Kyogre and Groudon are both really solid for Zacian

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Me when I use that brine Kyogre

molten oasis
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Just give it scald back man

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
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I feel like Iā€™ve actually seen it used before

molten oasis
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Ah yes double in power when the target is halved

shadow wind
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It could be worse

molten oasis
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True

shadow wind
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Could be 85% accurate

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Which is a death sentence

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Why did they have to make their moves bad

molten oasis
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Idk

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Kyogre at least gets spout

shadow wind
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Yeah but nothing after that

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Groudon at least has hhp

molten oasis
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Which I just need to learn how to play eruption/spout/dragon energy mons

shadow wind
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Iā€™ve heard if you click tw you win the game

molten oasis
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Itā€™s CLEAR zacian likes to pair with Drago and kyogre

molten oasis
shadow wind
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Fake out always ruining everyoneā€™s plans

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Except Gouging fire because he got that sleek coat on

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W mon

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I love that guy

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But Iā€™d love him even more if he got wisp

molten oasis
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Hm

shadow wind
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God imagine fast wisp into pin with Pblades

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First ever recorded pin with Tera

molten oasis
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Could go crazy

shadow wind
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Too bad he doesnā€™t learn it

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They hate to see a Groudon do well

molten oasis
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Real

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Uhm, hm

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My thing is I donā€™t just wanna rip the worlds Zacogre team

shadow wind
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Extremely valid

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I donā€™t enjoy ripping teams either

molten oasis
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Maybe I could rock some incin Amoonguss thing

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I did like amoonguss a lot for the team

shadow wind
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It makes sense

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Your natural CIR MU is already solved with those 2

molten oasis
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True but Zacogre is good into CIR anyway

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Unless thatā€™s what you meant

shadow wind
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Yeah thatā€™s what I meant

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Amoonguss isnā€™t hurting the team at all

molten oasis
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Yeah, but then I need tailwind

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I think moon has to be who cuz I need anti CSR

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incinā€™s not enough when itā€™s +2 and mowing you down

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And then like shifu dammit it just goes back to that team

shadow wind
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I mean to be fair itā€™s a solid team

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And rain teams got very linear since Shifu dropped

molten oasis
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I was on moon Zacogre for a bit as well but I feel like you just need shifu

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Amoonguss is too valuable and Pao is too big of an enabler

rustic mountain
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zacians tough

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not as splashable of a mon in the teambuilder as it used to b

shadow wind
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Groudon and Zacian both got killed

rustic mountain
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i think groudon atleast will come back w/ primals and judging how koraidon fairs in future restricted formats beyond that

shadow wind
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But a lot of the Groudon success was Charizard success

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No Tera I actually do think itā€™s Groudon > Koraidon

molten oasis
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Zacian has niches in the future

rustic mountain
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zacian is a bit tougher w/ continued power creep and the crop of restricteds currently available

shadow wind
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Well actually it depends on if Flutter is in the format

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No flutter Koraidon can still exist

molten oasis
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Zacian has a good typing into a lot of the restricteds still but itā€™ll still be really hard to justify it

rustic mountain
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itll eventually b good wen dmax is back, or atleast better, if the nerfs stay its still waiting to get that -1 drop

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but double power to dmax is pretty good even despite that

molten oasis
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Itā€™s good into the gen 6 restricteds

shadow wind
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Until Xerneas has a Volcarona rage baiting next to it

molten oasis
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Itā€™s good into the bikes, CIR, outspeeds and chunks kyogre, well thatā€™s my other issue

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Zac doesnā€™t get spread damage so fire type next to xerneas makes that way harder

shadow wind
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Groudon is one of very few Restricteds to be good into Zacian

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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BUT I think it could have some sort of life next to primal kyogre

molten oasis
shadow wind
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The other is probably CSR

molten oasis
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Tera fucks over zacian Iā€™m gonna be honest, idt it helps it much

rustic mountain
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incin coming in to intimidate fake out then parting shot as my xerneas protects PCdripsola

shadow wind
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I think I gotta make the Groudon CSR team for next week

molten oasis
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A lot of muā€™s itā€™s good into are shut off by Tera fire which is so popular

shadow wind
#

Support CSR next to Groudon might go nuclear

molten oasis
#

And then it just doesnā€™t like seeing CSR

shadow wind
#

Although I might be taking a teensy break from vgc to speed run Minecraft

molten oasis
rustic mountain
#

like reverted zacians nerfs?

molten oasis
#

Maybe not the attack stat but yes

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The ability being per switch in would help a lot

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Positioning it is rough

mighty stump
rustic mountain
#

tera wasnt available in this hypothetical kekhands

molten oasis
mighty stump
shadow wind
#

And then the big fat fish comes in and all your +2s are meaningless

mighty stump
#

like theres the commitment aspect to it

rustic mountain
molten oasis
rustic mountain
#

only time i see em reverting the nerf is wen dmax comes back

molten oasis
#

Or just using it?

molten oasis
mighty stump
molten oasis
#

Aw man you could play dozo tatsu and xern now miserablekremmy

mighty stump
#

fairy steel ultra premium typing with that statline and no drawback +1

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what do u do atp

molten oasis
#

Thatā€™s fair

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I think thereā€™s a chance itā€™ll see usage with primal kyogre cuz it helps with xerneas

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Which idt kyogre likes seeing

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Iā€™ll cope with the dog until itā€™s just not usable lol

mighty stump
#

Xern Groudon counterpart

molten oasis
#

guess Iā€™m playing xerneas in restricted megas

shadow wind
bold geode
molten oasis
#

Lmao

bold geode
#

Honestly I wonder how the restricted megas interact with the restricted that came out since then

#

Like could Primal Groudon and CSR be a thing

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Or Primal Groudon and Miraidon

molten oasis
#

Maybe

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We have more viable options now so

bold geode
#

Idk I'd just like to use Zamazenta or Shadow Rider
Me likey Zamazenta and Shadow Rider

molten oasis
#

Clearly lol

foggy lodge
#

I genuinely forgot water Tauros was like a real mon

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They should bring it back in champions

#

Urshifu 0.1

molten oasis
#

Fr

foggy lodge
#

Big things are happening on ladder

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sudden remnant
sudden remnant
#

is this peak yes or yes

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dull ibex
shadow wind
#

Looks like a bulky offense team?

dull ibex
#

gotcha

bold geode
#

Keep comments like that to yourself

sudden remnant
#

i agree thats why i replied to it with ā€œoutrageous blunderā€

shadow wind
#

Like the archetype of the team lowkey doesn't matter even a little bit

#

It's just a title

#

If it works and you can pilot it it's a good team for you

#

But strictly looking for a "HO" team won't do you any good

sudden remnant
#

he wants an HO team?

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whos gonna tell him to just make one cuz everything rn is either weather or balance

molten oasis
#

Thereā€™s hyper offensive cores

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But a lot of reg I is like, bulkier balance

sudden remnant
#

yeah

shadow wind
#

Ok but just saying that it doesn't mean much

#

I think trying to categorize teams is leading to confusion in a lot of people

sudden remnant
#

id say HO is my favorite but id be lying cuz all my teams end up being weather (usually rain)

shadow wind
#

I have never looked at my builder and been like "Oh man I really want to play this archetype"

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I'll have a core idea of like 3-4 mons then structure the team around it

sudden remnant
#

ive looked at mine and said i really want another rain team šŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø if that counts

shadow wind
#

It'll end up being a whatever archetype

dull ibex
#

Bulky offense works

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I just can't pilot balance well

sudden remnant
#

wheres that meme of the guy with his hand on the others shoulder with the expressionless face

#

fits really well here

dull ibex
#

im just gonna play the team

#

ill send a few battles here for feedback

sudden remnant
dull ibex
#

im ready for a new format

#

im ready for champions tbh

sudden remnant
#

we all are bruh

shadow wind
#

Reg I isn't even that bad

sudden remnant
shadow wind
#

I enjoy it a lot

sudden remnant
#

that makes 1 of us

#

i havent enjoyed vgc since reg G šŸ‘Øā€šŸ¦Æ

dull ibex
stone trellis
#

Dang it!

sudden remnant
stone trellis
sudden remnant
#

šŸ«©

#

my last little push is gonna be a really dumb team where im using whatever the hell i want

stone trellis
#

Wait, is the slow mode gone?

#

Nevermind, my phone is just ultra dumb.

sudden remnant
#

+2 in a stat is x2 right? +4 is x3 and +6 is x4?

shadow wind
#

So technically the first boost is the most worth it

sudden remnant
#

183x2=366
211x1.5=316.5

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so i could, theoretically, run a base form zamazenta with an electric seed with a miraidon BE_KannaSip

shadow wind
#

I've seen it

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It's bad but it exists

molten oasis
#

Itā€™s bad donā€™t do it

sudden remnant
#

im already done with reg I I dont care anymore

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
#

Me when I use twave Kyogre

sudden remnant
#

im gonna use meowstic male too

tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
#

why? cuz i dont care and i can

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
#

Me when I use that twave Lunala

sudden remnant
#

and pulling my tera steel latias from og reg F out of purgatory

tiny karmaBOT
molten oasis
dull ibex
left bobcat
#

MEATBALL SUBBBBBBB

#

OOOOOOOOOOOH

dull ibex
#

leech seed cir is funny

sudden remnant
#

ponbom kaboom

molten oasis
sudden remnant
#

so who was gonna tell me niantic is removing spotlight hours events from pogo

lofty tartan
#

Niantic did when they announced Showcase Tuesdays as a replacement, and left it off the schedule for Memories in Motion.

sudden remnant
#

welp guess im not playing pogo anymore

lofty tartan
dull ibex
#

prefer the movesets on this variation

forest arrow
left bobcat
#

RIBOMBEE PLEEEEASE SURVIVE

dull ibex
#

Sigh took me long enough

rustic mountain
#

nice

#

currently in the midst of climbing back it had me like all the way back at the start lmao didnt play for like 6 months on cart

dull ibex
#

I've done nothing but lose in masterball

rustic mountain
#

oof

dull ibex
#

Yeah.

rustic mountain
#

maybe take a break or swap teams

dull ibex
#

I might swap teams

shadow wind
waxen dock
shadow wind
#

Sure is

supple latch
dense latch
#

at least we know itā€™s not a late april release

#

maybe

supple latch
#

Itā€™s most likely to be an early release if weā€™re getting an early tournament reveal

shadow wind
#

Also Regulation M-A

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Iā€™m assuming that means megas with no legendaries

dense latch
#

my guess for formats are

megas but no za megas or legends
all megas no legends
megas and legends

#

it feels like the easiest path to go with if theyā€™re doing three formats which i think is what i saw announced

#

in that timeline thing

supple latch
#

If weā€™re really doing mega PokĆ©mon immediately, then I need to reconsider my team composition, because itā€™s mainly around tera and none of the PokĆ©mon I have on this composition can mega evolve

shadow wind
#

Why would building a team now make any sense anyway

#

Team building is pretty precise and one Mon not existing or one move not existing can make an entire team crumble

waxen dock
supple latch
# waxen dock Gc

To me, I consider Global challenges tournaments because youā€™re also gaining championship points in the process

waxen dock
supple latch
#

And if you win, you get an invitation to Worlds, unlike Global challenges which just give you points to go to worlds

rustic mountain
#

i like how its revealed wen we dont even know wat that means

shadow wind
#

Iā€™d assume the second letter follows the same regulation pattern as SV but the M is for Mega

molten oasis
#

Also we get that revealed but the Orlando format isnā€™t revealed (itā€™s probably reg f)

shadow wind
#

Man I picked the worst time to get a new hobby with champions being so close

dull ibex
#

I need fresh start mochi šŸ˜­

real prairie
real prairie
waxen dock
#

even if you need to restart run its still op

waxen dock
#

imagine if you have a bad run and you just unregister and register again

#

i think they should do if you do that games you played are gone and your elo restes

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unless you are below 1500 or the starting point

leaden fox
# real prairie

This starts 23rd April for registrations, so that means we may get Champions one or two weeks beforehand šŸ˜

#

As in registrations for it start 23rd April

next stump
#

You can make changes until the tournament starts, then itā€™s locked

#

No way you can unregister and sign up again after playing even a single game

dull ibex
#

I may run scarf miraidon

next stump
#

I love scarf miraidon

dull ibex
#

Im tired of being outspeed by stuff

vivid jungle
#

Anyone care on helping me find some REG F replacements for Miraidon and Zamazenta from my REG L Team?

leaden fox
#

I do wonder when they will announce what is allowed in the ā€œM-A formatā€ though šŸ¤”

#

Though I suspect I know which Megas I will plan to use

dull ibex
#

thoughts?

left bobcat
#

Oh no bro

real prairie
#

Looks like first champions tournaments will be Z-A dex

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leaden fox
#

After all, Hatterene and Hydrapple are in the game, so I suspect that the poster only means "the Z-A Megas"

#

Though Indeedee (both male and female) are in Z-A via DLC; so we know that setup won't leave anytime soon šŸ˜‚

foggy lodge
left bobcat
lofty tartan
# waxen dock this is so op

It says you can cancel and re-register before the tournament, or register during the tournament, but doesn't say you can cancel registration during the tournament and resubmit a new team. This would be a logistic nightmare.

leaden fox
bold geode
leaden fox
#

That'll help if we made a mistake with our moves, evs, etc

leaden fox
bold geode
#

Anyways @foggy lodge double checking, have they announced like a last GC for SV or like what they're doing in April yet at all
Anything regarding what we're doing until Champions

leaden fox
foggy lodge
#

No they haven't announced anything for sv

#

And makes sense

#

I think they want the asian players to play their whole circuit on champions

leaden fox
#

As they explained that ScarVio's last ranked season is 1st April until end of service

foggy lodge
#

So the grand challenge was the last exclusive tournament for the rest of the people

leaden fox
#

Obviously the next GC we'll get CP, but no automatic qualifications for the JRC

#

If we are outside of Japan, etc

bold geode
foggy lodge
#

Well atleast we know it can't release after april 23rd

#

And its probably releasing like a week before the GC

leaden fox
bold geode
#

Real

leaden fox
#

Heck, they could bring Champions out asap in April, but not end the service of ScarVio Ranked until 23rd April

foggy lodge
#

But also like

#

This would mean that by april we are already playing champions in the circuit

#

Including in real life tournaments

#

Because I think they don't do GCs of x format if x regulation doesn't end

leaden fox
#

@foggy lodge The earliest one we'll likely have in April for in-person regionals would be Prague (April 25th - 26th)

#

The next one would be Campinas and Utrecht on May 16th - 17th

#

This GC for Champions being of course happening a week before them

#

Well, a week or two

#

Though I know I'll be joining into that GC on Champions without question šŸ™‚ Just have to decide what team to run once we kn ow the format and what mons are allowed in

bold geode
leaden fox
#

Since I somewhat doubt it'll be limited to only the Z-A dex

leaden fox
indigo coral
#

End of Service doesn't mean "When Champions comes out" it means when they stop supporting ScVi. SwSh went on for a while at the end of the Generation with a singular long ongoing season iirc. It's expected that ScVi will continue for a while longer by doing the same.

leaden fox
#

I mean, we'll certainly see

dapper crag
#

End of service is probably just when switch hits EoL

sudden remnant
sudden remnant
real prairie
#

Get you used to the new system and the return of megas before throwing you in the deep end with all the gimmicks at once

sudden remnant
shadow wind
#

Something something Tera normal mega dmax Khang with normalium z

sudden remnant
foggy lodge
#

When we casually drop a hint of champions release date on a random friday but we still don't drop the actual release date

#

PokƩmon is the vaguepost king

sudden remnant
#

they just hate us

molten oasis
#

No format update either

dapper crag
left bobcat
#

Blurple

molten oasis
molten oasis
#

This is kinda cooking

wild stream
#

does bax outclass kyurem

#

ehh

left bobcat
#

I guess so

dull ibex
#

thoughts?

sudden remnant
#

glaciate is just a slightly stronger icy wind and glaive rush is absolutely insane in comparison

tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
#

and baxcalibur is slightly more minmaxxed (just slightly)

molten oasis
#

No, run bax

#

Better ability and Kyurem takes a spot on your restricted roster

#

Andkyurem is way worse than most of the restricted

sudden remnant
dull ibex
sudden remnant
#

black kyurem suffers from being physical

molten oasis
#

It doesnā€™t compare to the others (which is wild considering its special attack)

sudden remnant
#

i ran it AV with blizzard draco fusion flare and ep i managed pretty well

#

and a non snow variant of the team i just slapped ice beam instead of blizzard and saw almost no difference

#

pretty sure i ran it with zacian

molten oasis
#

Itā€™s very fun itā€™s just not good enough

sudden remnant
#

it was beautiful šŸ˜

#

yeah it was Kyurem-W Zacian

dull ibex
#

I kinda want to experiment with setup Ice Rider

sudden remnant
dull ibex
#

wdym

#

nobody is running set up ice rider

sudden remnant
#

šŸ¤Ø

dull ibex
#

swords dance

sudden remnant
dull ibex
#

no good?

sudden remnant
#

@stone trellis cir is your expertise

molten oasis
dull ibex
molten oasis
#

If you wanna boost CIR run coaching, it needs trick room protect and lance

#

The exception is leech seed sets

#

But thatā€™s it, otherwise you need HHP, theres just not room

dull ibex
#

I want a setup sweeper behind screens

sudden remnant
#

miraidon

dull ibex
#

Miraidon doesn't have room either

sudden remnant
#

for what

#

calm mind miraidon is a thing

dull ibex
#

what about ogerpon?

sudden remnant
#

brother what

dull ibex
#

just say no šŸ˜­

#

unless ogerpon doesn't have a setup move in its learnset

sudden remnant
#

she does, in fact, learn swords dance, however, she has other rmoves she needs MUCH more

#

again if you wanna go like that you need a partner with coaching

dull ibex
#

fine. coaching it is

sudden remnant
#

miraidon has run several sets with calm mind which is why i suggested that

dull ibex
#

Im not opposed to be its just I don't want to adjust evs

sudden remnant
#

šŸ«©

dull ibex
#

Ig I could

sudden remnant
#

also fun fact riolu gets prankster cosching

#

i dont think riolu learns either screen tho

tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
#

yeah didnt think so

dull ibex
#

I just need to find a six for this calm mind mirai

sudden remnant
#

sorry youve now left my aera of expertise

molten oasis
#

And please donā€™t go play calm mind miraidon

#

Thatā€™s just not really a duo that does set up

dull ibex
#

im still adjusting my screens ice rider team

#

so I won't

molten oasis
#

Fair enough

dull ibex
#

i am trying out

#

mirai/icerider/grimm/volc/ursh/hands

molten oasis
dull ibex
solid frigate
#

-# fuck it one last run with Terapagos

#

-# this is the third time I lied on ending my SV VGC run

molten oasis
dull ibex
solid frigate
molten oasis
#

They complement each other better

molten oasis
solid frigate
#

Yeah

#

But itā€™s more for a preference

dull ibex
#

is there a better moveset I should use for this team instead?

molten oasis
#

Supportive would be better

dull ibex
#

whats the supportive moveset

solid frigate
#

Struggle bug can deal with CSR

molten oasis
#

Fiery dance struggle bug tailwind rage powder

#

You can run wisp to

dull ibex
#

Ill run wisp over tailwind

solid frigate
#

Usually Miraidon here can run something that is not specs in those comps

#

But itā€™s fine to stay Specs

dull ibex
#

im scarf mirai

solid frigate
#

Probably the best Item for Miraidon Zama

rustic mountain
solid frigate
#

Tree I might Lied on me ending my SV VGC career for the third time

rustic mountain
#

sure we can infer megas but wat else around those megas? is it every mega off rip? prolly not

#

the specifics matter outside its x gimmick which we already knew megas would be the first mechanic in champions

rustic mountain
#

worse formats to end off on then i and f, ppl are just jaded on sv as a whole rn

solid frigate
# rustic mountain lol

Like itā€™s so boring to just rewatching my favourite TV shows as a kid that I kinda just want to play some VGC since it can actually make my brain slightly better

rustic mountain
#

or u could just watch new shows but yea vgc is more stimulating

solid frigate
#

Itā€™s so bad that I am building Terapagos out of all mons because I played too much Miraidon

rustic mountain
#

as long as u know ur building around mid

solid frigate
#

Then again Pagos is a real thing in G

rustic mountain
#

even in g it never converted truly

solid frigate
#

Itā€™s just I itā€™s worse for blatant obvious reasons

solid frigate
rustic mountain
#

that was it tho right

#

other then 2nd at some other event

#

also u dont have to keep @ing me KEKWcry

solid frigate
#

But Asia it was Popular at least

rustic mountain
#

i mean like

#

pagos winning an event

solid frigate
#

Yeah thatā€™s the only one in masters divisions

rustic mountain
#

but yea i agree witchu it def wasnt as mid in reg g

#

i think u had more of a case for it then, reg i its fine u can prolly do ok enough its just ur wasting a restricted slot on something that lacks the utility and firepower most of the other top guys offer

solid frigate
#

And another reason is that there isnā€™t that much Strong Pagos Players compared to other Restricteds

#

In both worlds we can see Pagos is not present that much

rustic mountain
#

it in theory has a strong punish game vs tera but its just so annoying to make happen and get great value off it

solid frigate
#

Yeah thatā€™s also a thing as well

#

In theory it can be strong against the mechanic but it becomes better Lugia very quickly

rustic mountain
#

exactly

solid frigate
#

At least compare to Lugia it can actually do damage in ST

rustic mountain
#

spread ability potential w/ a 2nd ability upon tera

solid frigate
#

Yeah

#

That kinda just lifts the gap between them

rustic mountain
#

i mean yea pagos is far better then lugia

solid frigate
#

And way better stats in Tera despite can be a paper against Shifu and any strong physical attacks lol

rustic mountain
#

wen ur comparing something to lugia, its rough man

solid frigate
#

Lugia is just a dissapointment atp

rustic mountain
#

power creep

solid frigate
#

Itā€™s not really Powercreep honestly

I donā€™t think bro got use in Gen 4

#

Which is like beginning of VGC

rustic mountain
#

not in the usual egregious sense but it was developed b4 the special/physical split happened and comp wasnt even really a thing

solid frigate
#

Itā€™s more like a victim from the design perspective then

rustic mountain
#

but it was thought out in a time where the consideration wasnt even somewhat based in comp

solid frigate
#

Wait Isnt Lugia a thing during Gen 2-3 singles since its capability to stall out games

rustic mountain
#

idk

#

thats also very niche haha

solid frigate
#

I remember that back when i was watching False swipe gaming before

rustic mountain
#

psychic also used to b way better

solid frigate
#

Yeah virtually has no weaknesses in Gen 1

rustic mountain
#

well lugia is gen 2 but i think it wasnt until gen 2-4 it was slowly nerfed

solid frigate
#

Gen 4 is kinda the start

dull ibex
#

anyone got 6 rare candies?

molten oasis
#

Iā€™ve weirdly been having a fun time with reg I

rustic mountain
#

gen 2 dark immunity and steel resist, then special/physical split u turn/pursuit

molten oasis
#

I think I gave that format more shit that it deserved

rustic mountain
#

reg i is fine

solid frigate
mighty stump
#

do we have Garchomp-Zā€™s statline

rustic mountain
#

yes serebii should

dull ibex
#

holy shit its tofu

tiny karmaBOT
mighty stump
#

:/

solid frigate
#

Basically like every mega Z mons

151 speed

mighty stump
#

i GUESS

rustic mountain
#

that ability isnt confirmed tho right

mighty stump
#

not bad bulk

#

no abil confirmed

dull ibex
#

anyone down to watch me ladder and maybe give some commentary?

solid frigate
#

I legit want to crash out they removed ground typing at that time

mighty stump
#

i mean spatker i guess wouldnā€™t be bad

foggy lodge
#

Mr Tofu

solid frigate
mighty stump
#

What type is he meant to be

rustic mountain
#

i think the z megas mostly look mid i just dont like chomp shedding ground stab

foggy lodge
#

Did you see the GC announcement

mighty stump
#

What

mighty stump
#

Dragon Fly?

#

kek

foggy lodge
#

Global challenge in champions inscriptions open on april 23rd

dull ibex
foggy lodge
#

The game is releasing before that date basically

mighty stump
rustic mountain
#

ud hope

mighty stump
#

GC in Champions

solid frigate
mighty stump
#

Lock-in team

#

im hyped

rustic mountain
#

im curbing expectations to not b let down but i want champions to b good

mighty stump
#

We still donā€™t have much of any abilities

dull ibex
#

vc is open now

mighty stump
#

No expectations

bold geode
rustic mountain
mighty stump
#

Iā€™m gonna get back to work but if theres any like interesting rewards pls DM me

dull ibex
#

you get a venusaur for playing 3 battles yeah?

bold geode
mighty stump
#

Pokopia timesink

bold geode
#

After 3 games

foggy lodge
mighty stump
rustic mountain
#

hahhaha

bold geode
#

You got trauma buddy

mighty stump
#

Ya exactly

rustic mountain
#

i mean a basic ass venu? yea

foggy lodge
#

Also no more last minute inscriptions

mighty stump
#

Inscriptions?

dull ibex
#

monke wanna watch after work?

bold geode
bold geode
foggy lodge
#

Or registrations

dull ibex
molten oasis
#

I fucking HATE reg h that hasnā€™t changed

foggy lodge
#

But yeah its a super good change there was like no real reason to not be allowed to register mid GCs in SV

#

They are just ladder tournaments

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

At first

#

Then it developed more and it got worse

rustic mountain
rustic mountain
bold geode
#

I liked the Reg H and Reg F reruns

rustic mountain
foggy lodge
#

Yea

molten oasis
#

I tried to be more open to it, the only thing that kept me playing that format was a9

rustic mountain
#

yea thats great

foggy lodge
#

You can register on the third day for example and play all your games

#

That would kinda suck but you have the option lol

rustic mountain
#

dude it makes so much sense

#

some1 misses the window, sees some1 playing wants to play themselves and its like nah fuck u sign ups r over

bold geode
rustic mountain
#

no its not haha

foggy lodge
#

Yeah and in the end is not like

#

The tournament goes for rounds and you have to get in time

#

Its just a ladder basically

bold geode
foggy lodge
#

I hate a9 so much

rustic mountain
#

y

foggy lodge
#

The moment I could I dropped it for Smeargle

bold geode
#

Pokemon, fix freeze status plz

rustic mountain
#

frostbite would b great

dull ibex
#

Frostbite would be EXCELLENT

rustic mountain
#

yea

bold geode
#

What did frostbite do again

dull ibex
#

it was special burn

molten oasis
bold geode
#

That would be lovely

molten oasis
#

Oh yall didnā€™t like a9 cuz of freezes, but yall played sneasler

bold geode
#

But they'd also need to make a move that could inflict frostbite like Will O Wisp

bold geode
foggy lodge
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I didn't play it because it doesn't do damage

bold geode
foggy lodge
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I've used Talonflame and it has felt like it does way more damage

rustic mountain
bold geode
rustic mountain
foggy lodge
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Also I really hope they nerf dire claw lmao

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There's no real reason to keep it as it is in champions

solid frigate
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My ear fucking hurts

rustic mountain
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like y was it ok for sv but not champions