competitive_discussion

[molten oasis]

Idk how but miraidon and xerneas got in here

[shadow wind]

Bro loves good mons

Not a single mon here is bad competitively 😭

[foggy lodge]

Runerigus,,,

[shadow wind]

I've seen that dude put in work

[rustic mountain]

golispod is not good nor was hydrapple

[molten oasis]

Hydrapple is not a good Mon lmao

[shadow wind]

Sorry what am I witnessing

[molten oasis]

Lycanroc and Delphox are good in low power

[shadow wind]

I mean in singles too not just vgc

[rustic mountain]

who here even plays singles

[shadow wind]

I play it from time to time

[molten oasis]

But like I scrolled through multiple times and went “yeah I like that guy” lol

[shadow wind]

That was me and Loudred

Bro just looked at me funny and I knew it was him

[foggy lodge]

I'm gonna do one of my favourites based on competitive

[rustic mountain]

very new gen list nothing is pre gen 6

[molten oasis]

I’m a new gen

[rustic mountain]

clearly

[molten oasis]

I didn’t grow up with the old stuff lol

Not to say I don’t like the old mons but I vastly prefer the new stuff

[rustic mountain]

yea

makes sense not the same lvl of connection

[shadow wind]

My list is mostly in the middle

[molten oasis]

My first game I bought was gen 8

And gen 7 just has a bunch of bangers

[rustic mountain]

that was my return to pokemon

(gen 8)

originally was gens 1-5

[molten oasis]

Solid

Volcarona was almost there but I was like “golispod is way cooler”

[rustic mountain]

so tru, bummed i missed that gen tbh

[shadow wind]

My first game was gen 6

[rustic mountain]

which explains groudon cuz oras

[shadow wind]

I have played gen 5 though

[shadow wind]

Nah it was Y

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[rustic mountain]

but u played oras

[shadow wind]

I did not...

[rustic mountain]

oh wow

[molten oasis]

Dude just likes groudon

[rustic mountain]

idk y i thought u did lol

[rustic mountain]

ig so lol

[shadow wind]

And nothin wrong with it

[molten oasis]

There’s not

[molten oasis]

Just unsure where it came from lol

[molten oasis]

What the hell is that

[shadow wind]

Now I'm not judging but I have questions

[rustic mountain]

e force mewtwo obviously

[shadow wind]

Well yeah

[molten oasis]

“Guys incin makes my team good trust!”

[shadow wind]

But why not use Lunala or something then

[rustic mountain]

idk

ask em

[molten oasis]

Valid

Maybe they just like mewtwo

[shadow wind]

Trying to

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[shadow wind]

Being talkative on showdown gotta be my #1 favourite hobby right now

[molten oasis]

I get people that call me lame occasionally but that’s it

[shadow wind]

Would be funnier if I was on a Groudon alt

[molten oasis]

Someone got mad at me cuz I was playing crown psyspam

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

He was on Regidrago stuff I think it was funny

[shadow wind]

People sometimes call me lucky and such but then I remind them of who the better player is

[rustic mountain]

w/ getting lucky?

[shadow wind]

My goal on ladder is to make them think Groudon is the best restricted ever

[shadow wind]

Nah

[rustic mountain]

idk if ur showing any1 groudon is the best restricted haha even in victory

[molten oasis]

The Calyrex in the corner of the room

[shadow wind]

Outplays like clicking foul play into an amoonguss and them switching in CSR

I've seen multiple double bike teams today

[rustic mountain]

reg i ladder seems like a mess

[shadow wind]

Honestly not sure why those teams didn't do better

[shadow wind]

It is and it's very fun

[rustic mountain]

they rnt good

[shadow wind]

No not really but they can just explode a lot of teams

They super lose to the more thought out teams though

[rustic mountain]

yea

[shadow wind]

Also lack of spread damage is what really does em in

[rustic mountain]

stacked weaknesses/ inability to cover eachother effectively is the real issue

[shadow wind]

True

CIR food

[rustic mountain]

u think about it, lunala/koraidon won worlds w/ both single target damage, whilst not great its not the end all be all

[shadow wind]

Yeah if the team is just really really strong it should be fine

Although Ursa clicking EQ is probably on par with a restricteds spread damage

I have now seen 2 Eternatus on ladder today

That mon always interested me

[shadow wind]

Like the stats are 100% there

[molten oasis]

It’s doable but harder

[shadow wind]

And offensively poison dragon is decent

[foggy lodge]

Your only big problem are steel types

[molten oasis]

Eternatus gets flamethrower so

[shadow wind]

Yup

[rustic mountain]

eternatus sucks

[shadow wind]

Also gets meteor beam for other stuff

[molten oasis]

Pressure

[shadow wind]

Undoubtedly

[foggy lodge]

I think meteor beam is the only real set

[molten oasis]

If it had a real ability I could see it being good

The stats are pretty solid

[shadow wind]

Cosmic power stall technically exists

[rustic mountain]

pressure might get a big buff if pp max moves are gone

[shadow wind]

It's weak to some bad types though

[foggy lodge]

Even the typing is fine

[molten oasis]

True but it wouldn’t be enough to make it worth using

Unless ur on stall then maybe

[foggy lodge]

The only thing holding it back its the ability

[rustic mountain]

if i can pressure down astral barrage into 3 instead of 5 thats pretty nice

[shadow wind]

Yeah actually really solid

[molten oasis]

Fair point

[rustic mountain]

it wont make pressure op but surely more considered then b4

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[shadow wind]

Why did the dogs get insane abilities and then Eternatus just didn't

[foggy lodge]

3 terastarstorms instead of 5

[shadow wind]

Usually the third restricted gets an anti box art ability

Well sometimes I guess

[rustic mountain]

terapagos wont even be able to tera next time its allowed + its mid but glacial lance, surging/wicked blow

[molten oasis]

Idk

[rustic mountain]

draco meteor

[foggy lodge]

Oh damn

[rustic mountain]

lotta 8 pp max moves that become 5 if its gone

[foggy lodge]

5 draco and drifts for Miraidon

[molten oasis]

Idt the dogs abilities are as crazy as the bikes tho

[shadow wind]

Nah the bikes are unfair abilities

[molten oasis]

Even in the past their abilities were pretty simple in concept

[shadow wind]

It's weather + adaptability on every move

[molten oasis]

Just, they get +1 to attack/defense

[shadow wind]

Simple concept but extremely strong

[molten oasis]

Definitely

[shadow wind]

Now they are kinda mid

Like Eternatus should've gotten unaware or something

[molten oasis]

Zama’s is better but their good abilities

[foggy lodge]

Levitate

[molten oasis]

True levitate would have been solid

[rustic mountain]

no its not lmao

the 2x is if their signature move is SE

[foggy lodge]

Its a free life orb

[molten oasis]

It’s life orb boost and weather/terrain

[shadow wind]

Sorry free lorb

Which is the same number as adaptability

Actually slightly better

[molten oasis]

I’m lost

[foggy lodge]

Adaptability is x1.5

[shadow wind]

Oh nah

Math class guys

[shadow wind]

1.5 x 1.3333 is 2

So it's a 4/3 boost from adaptability

Lorb is slightly worse in 1.3x

[rustic mountain]

adaptability is 1.5-2x iirc

it increases to 2x that is

[shadow wind]

Yes

Which is a 4/3x multiplier

😭

Dumb and dumber bruh

[foggy lodge]

Tf are you seeing lmao

[shadow wind]

In what the numbers?

[foggy lodge]

No the screenshot

[shadow wind]

Fake out from both sides in psychic terrain

[foggy lodge]

I think its worse from the person that has indeedee

[shadow wind]

Yes 100%

Still terrible from both parties though

You will never catch me clicking fake out in psychic terrain

[foggy lodge]

Today I watched room tours like football matches

[shadow wind]

I'm just binge watching ladder games right now

[rustic mountain]

ive done it b4, it was early on playing tho

ill also misclick sometimes wen playin too fast

[foggy lodge]

One has to protect in front of urshifu to discover how unseen fist works

[shadow wind]

I don't use fake out mons enough to ever even risk that mistake

Which is probably bad because it's an essential part of teams but whatever

[rustic mountain]

nah u dont necessarily need it

as long as u have answers into it

[shadow wind]

I mean 95% of my teams just don't need Incin or Rilla

[foggy lodge]

I always feel like a genius when i fake out their flying mons in psychic terrain

[rustic mountain]

lmao

[shadow wind]

Also it might be time to transfer my teams out of showdown once again

[foggy lodge]

Its something super basic but i still feel like a genius

[shadow wind]

330 teams and my showdown is getting a tad laggy

[rustic mountain]

its nice knowing game mechanics

[foggy lodge]

Maybe

Its time to let some of them go

Time to click delete

[shadow wind]

Nah

I just move em to a google doc

[foggy lodge]

How many teams are now lost media on showdown

[shadow wind]

Last time I moved all of them it was 260 teams

I did have a crash out in like Reg F or something where I deleted probably like 80 teams?

I was just doing really bad on the ladder and needed a refresh

But since then I don't think I've deleted any teams that meant anything to me

Now when people ask me to make a random team I make it ship the paste then delete those

[rustic mountain]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regf-2547290386-y9vbf1yrlkr46bbr7ivyyqym3j3omdupw
t8 if u dont wanna watch the whole match

[shadow wind]

For 1700 is dope

[foggy lodge]

Damn

[molten oasis]

https://x.com/vgcmarcos1/status/2028791835368337770?s=46

Marcdragon🔜Sevilla🇪🇸 (@vgcmarcos1)

X · Mar 3, 2026, 11:17 AM

[shadow wind]

So true

Oh Drago did you get a chance to play with the team?

[rustic mountain]

i had some guy get mad at me for that but they were also using incin rilla

[molten oasis]

I’ve been kinda busy

[shadow wind]

All good was just curious

I usually find my teams are not pilotable so I'm trying to get better at that

Yuck

I don't even know what makes a team easy to pilot

Cause I do usually find myself working harder than the team is

[rustic mountain]

dude not even as a critique but like, if ur only gna build groudon teams the scope of pilotability is going to diminish relative to its viability

[shadow wind]

So true actually

All the negative things I know about my team building are as a result of a certain red guy

[rustic mountain]

i think ud actually build some good non groudon teams

but yea u need the motivation

[shadow wind]

I really enjoyed making teams for oms

[foggy lodge]

Conner what's another restricted you like

[shadow wind]

But those are singles so they test different parts of my team building

[shadow wind]

Yknow I've never really thought about it

It's always been in the scope of "who is a good Groudon partner"

Probably Zacian if I had to pick one

[rustic mountain]

gdi

another borderline viable restricted

[shadow wind]

Ok Miraidon

I like how he plays with Groudon so I'd probably like how he plays solo restricted

Maya always told me I should play Zama so maybe Zama too

Simple answer is I don't know cause I never tried any other restricteds

Other than both Kyurems for fun

https://pokepast.es/78acbe00723dd9ad

https://pokepast.es/d8aaaf60da2cdc7d

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/friendly-fire-friendly-fire-will-not-be-tolerated-throwing-hypocrite-gif-13255289749517161030

[shadow wind]

Man those teams are terrible 😭

But I did hit 1500 with both of them

[bold geode]

Groudon doesn't exert enough pressure to be with Zama

[shadow wind]

Nah like as a solo restricted

[rustic mountain]

i literally was like y cant u beat it then?

no answer

[bold geode]

Idk I did get salty earlier and told a Iron Crown player to use a real team

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/9da928fa91034811

Remnants of a failed challenge

[bold geode]

Real talk why does Iron Crown just beat everything LMAO

[rustic mountain]

its a good mon, idk bout everything tho haha

[bold geode]

I swear there was one point I could just curb stomp every Crown player but all of a sudden the whole MU with every team I've used has just become a fat gamble

[rustic mountain]

lotta ppl picking it up and playing it different

[bold geode]

I stg like I'll ask like "hey what beats x" and Psyspam is always looked at

I think like
Not only are the comps good but yeah when you got all those people playing it

There's so many ways it can go

[rustic mountain]

oh yea its a good team, i think its more the team overall vs crown itself tho

[foggy lodge]

I remember people saying that their usual lines into crown were not as good as they thought because every crown player played super different LMAO

[rustic mountain]

yea

[bold geode]

THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING EARLIER THIS FORMAT BRO

Legitimately I remember being like "hey guys why did this MU get harder all of a sudden"

I knew I wasn't fucking crazy

[shadow wind]

Wait is that why I'm probably doing better than I should with Groudon? Unfamiliarity with the mu?

[bold geode]

Anyways Tree I'm playing hyper offense to not be a one trick pony and by God Tree lemme just say

I HATE Regidrago

[rustic mountain]

hahahaha

vs it? or ur using it

[foggy lodge]

I think if i play I'm using some psyspam team

[bold geode]

Did you happen to hear what Zachary Weed said about using Regidrago?

[foggy lodge]

Probably Zachary Weed's team

[rustic mountain]

to some extent, yea

[shadow wind]

Aw man I thought I was just goated 😔

[dense latch]

idk my groudon lines

[rustic mountain]

no like ur a good player but its not like ppl r used to playing vs groudon/miraidon either haha. unfamiliarity isnt the end all, u hav to execute too

[bold geode]

Zachary Weed said that when he used Regidrago, it felt like "you had to solve advanced calculus equations to figure out how to stop your opponent from solving the Fisher Price shapes puzzle"

[dense latch]

i feel like i should though

[shadow wind]

I don't know if I should tell you Groudon lines

[bold geode]

And it feels like that
It's fucking 10D chess for no reason

[dense latch]

you are goated conner dont get me wrong

[bold geode]

Cuz Regidrago is that kid on the playground that lightly falls in the sandbox and starts fuckin scream crying

[dense latch]

i doubt we'll play each other

[bold geode]

But at the same time

[shadow wind]

Nah probably not

[bold geode]

FUCK does it hit like a truck

[shadow wind]

Thanks goat

[foggy lodge]

I did play Conner on ladder tho

[shadow wind]

And I lost 😔

[foggy lodge]

You never know what can happen

[shadow wind]

I have a really bad track record of playing people I know

[bold geode]

I never played Conner
I never was that good

[shadow wind]

I lost to Pizza using a pikachu once

[rustic mountain]

yea he thinks it sucks hahaa

[foggy lodge]

Tf was I using whe we played

[dense latch]

i remember i played conner a shit ton a few regs ago

[shadow wind]

I don't remember but I got burnt by your Volc

[bold geode]

Actually I did
Actually I count it even though it never showed on the bracket
I barely missed top 500 on the Reg I BO1 ladder months ago

[shadow wind]

Felt like every other game

[bold geode]

Honestly if it didn't hit as hard as it did, I would say it fucking blows dude

[dense latch]

i'd hax you then you'd hax me and on and on iirc

[bold geode]

But it hits so damn hard so I can't

[rustic mountain]

idt it sucks but i get what hes saying

[bold geode]

Like how can you say that a nuclear bomb can't wipe out a small village

[shadow wind]

Then I'd change my team by like 3 mons and then I'd get a free game cause of it then next game it was back to the same

[rustic mountain]

u need answers/respect for it, but if u do ur good

steel mons, fairy teras, outspeeding it urself

[molten oasis]

What are we talking about?

[bold geode]

Literally the only thing I like about Regidrago
Is when I can really spam the Energy button

[dense latch]

tree and monke are talking about drago im talking about my reg i games vs conner

[bold geode]

Cuz it brings me back to Astral Barrage days

[shadow wind]

Exactly

[rustic mountain]

zacian being the worst mon ever

[bold geode]

Me being a hair away from fully bringing out the Regidrago slander

[shadow wind]

Wait I think I played Drago or Monke once

[bold geode]

I never played you Conner

[rustic mountain]

i think only person ive played here is monke

[shadow wind]

Before I joined this server

[bold geode]

Would've remembered

But actually bro I was so salty about this

[dense latch]

idk if it was my friend or me that played torrent

[rustic mountain]

ur friend iirc

[molten oasis]

[bold geode]

I remember hitting the exact ELO in Reg I to be top 500
And not being on the fucking bracket

[shadow wind]

I remember Maya said I beat someone from here once and I don't remember who it was

[shadow wind]

Oh I think I've played torrent too

[dense latch]

i remember getting wrecked by maya using furret

[bold geode]

Like I shit you not if they extended the bracket I was probably like #501 or some shit

[rustic mountain]

oh wait no i played throwdat b4 on bo1

[shadow wind]

There was someone else too that had a Kieran pfp

[bold geode]

I ran into Max on ladder

I've ran into other people

[shadow wind]

I remember playing Maya like 5 times in a day

We just traded games

[rustic mountain]

wait conner have we never played vs each other on ladder b4?

[shadow wind]

I don't think so

[bold geode]

I got my ass thrashed by pro players in the one Reg I GC we had

[shadow wind]

Either of us would've said something probably

[rustic mountain]

yea

[bold geode]

Like keep in mind I was using Solgaleo and Kyogre so already it was fun times y'know

[shadow wind]

I remember playing Wolfe in H once

[bold geode]

I had to fight fucking Raghav, Ben Grissmer, AND Giovanni Costa

[foggy lodge]

I played Dyl Yeomans and Taran Birdee in the GC

[shadow wind]

That's sick

[foggy lodge]

My biggest accomplish was besting Fedecampo in a bo3

[bold geode]

The 1st and 3rd guy I mentioned completely wiped the floor with me

[shadow wind]

Oh I've played Lorenzo Arce like 3 times or something stupid

[bold geode]

But I actually ALMOST beat Ben

[rustic mountain]

ive played vs pro players b4, on ladder, in team tours and in gcs

[bold geode]

Ben won off a double Protect

[rustic mountain]

ive beaten cybertron a few times, he put none of them in his vids

[shadow wind]

Dang

I'm in a Skraw vid but I think that's it

[molten oasis]

If we have played I was probably on an alt

[foggy lodge]

I think I did play Cybertron

But I don't remember who won

[molten oasis]

I played Moxie once

[foggy lodge]

I think I lost

[bold geode]

I was beaten by Cybertron once, the video I'm in released on my bday

[molten oasis]

I won

[shadow wind]

I've had videos made on my teams before but that's a completely different thing

[rustic mountain]

what a bday gift

[dense latch]

i played mdb in the smogon tour and a few of the good pros from the sd chatroom

im in a joey pokeaim vid too

[bold geode]

Tbf I DID get bday wishes from Cybertron so that was gas

[shadow wind]

AAA right?

[dense latch]

yep

[molten oasis]

“Happy birthday! For your birthday we publicly humiliated you in vgc!”

[shadow wind]

I remember watching it and seeing you and being shocked

[bold geode]

Oh I also was in a Cloverbells video technically but it was one of those SpongeBob type beats where he points to himself in the kitchen window

[foggy lodge]

The what

[shadow wind]

I don't even think the one guy mentioned me when he made a video on my team

[bold geode]

Bro tbf I played that game so bad

[molten oasis]

That’s rough

[dense latch]

i was hooked to cybertron's vids in 2021

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/gary-there-i-am-spongebob-spongebob-commerical-gif-22318667

[shadow wind]

I don't really watch much mons anymore

[foggy lodge]

I think he is not uploading vids anymore

But makes sense cuz ladder is dead

[bold geode]

Cybertron?

[shadow wind]

And if I'm watching mons videos it's only singles content

[bold geode]

Tbf yeah can't really post much rn

Plus ain't he a doctor or some shit important

[rustic mountain]

id watch irl tour streams wen u can

[shadow wind]

Those could be cool

[bold geode]

What does Cybertron do for work

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

Studying the game is super important

[bold geode]

Outside of Pokemon related stuff

[shadow wind]

I think you're thinking of Aaron Traylor?

[rustic mountain]

yea

[dense latch]

he's a consultant

[bold geode]

Nah I just don't know wtf he went to college for low-key

[foggy lodge]

Watching regionals have helped me a lot to take into account more things

[dense latch]

i looked up aaron zheng and his linkedin was the third result

[shadow wind]

I've never watched any event live

[rustic mountain]

but hes a doctor cuz he got a phd not an actual doctor (traylor)

[lofty tartan]

NE mentioned

[bold geode]

But yeah for Cloverbells
He was going over the like fast Psyspam teams in Reg H when Delphox was a thing and I was one of the results he showed on Labmaus cuz he recorded the video right after I did good in a tournament with it

[shadow wind]

I rewatched the 2024 worlds finals but that's the only event media I've ever consumed outside of Wolfe

[lofty tartan]

Yeah with my team

[shadow wind]

Bro wants all the credit 😭

[rustic mountain]

dude

[bold geode]

That I picked up like what
An hour before the tour started

[foggy lodge]

Do you remember when I fought 3 of those in a tournament

[rustic mountain]

u really should watch more bo3 content

[lofty tartan]

It was a good team.

[shadow wind]

I play mons unconventionally so I never saw a point

[bold geode]

It was

[shadow wind]

It's all the same stuff

[bold geode]

It was at a moment when Delphox Psyspam was like
Maybe barely on the radar

[shadow wind]

"Play for the mid level plays unless you're behind then you have to play aggressive"

[bold geode]

Bruh tbf those teams were rough to go against

[rustic mountain]

theres always a point, ur expanding ur understanding and knowledge of the game whilst seeing other peoples approaches to their own team and play at the highest level

[bold geode]

Lemme
Can I find the team I used hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[shadow wind]

For sure I just never got around to it

[rustic mountain]

ur really understating how nuanced the game is

[lofty tartan]

My claim to fame is having my Cetitan GC team featured in a different content creator's video and running against Neil Patel in my first regional

2026 will be a good year for me though. Manifest destiny.

[shadow wind]

Well yeah but that's what everyone says when "teaching" vgc or whatever

I learnt enough on my own through ramming my head into a wall that 78% of "advice" I could receive now I already know to some degree

[lofty tartan]

Conner is anti-Mika. I consume any content that isn't Wolfe

[shadow wind]

But you can always learn and always get better through absorbing the information while watching

[bold geode]

https://pokepast.es/b2d8825b52dfa28b
Here it is

[shadow wind]

I only watched his tournament recaps but even now I haven't watched a Wolfe video in ages

[molten oasis]

What a format

[lofty tartan]

Reg H slaps

[bold geode]

I picked it up an hour before and legitimately barely lost the finals

[shadow wind]

Actually I used to love watching his "X mon to number 1" videos on SwSh

[shadow wind]

W ALT NAME

[dense latch]

i loved his unscripted videos

[shadow wind]

His laddering vids teach a lot

[lofty tartan]

I just don't like Wolfe's content

[bold geode]

Literally at that point in the meta, Delphox as well as just fast Psyspam was still off the radar enough that people didn't have enough prep to fight it

[shadow wind]

His new stuff I don't enjoy so I don't watch em

Like I could care less why there's no legendary bug

[rustic mountain]

sure but thats not all it is even if part of it in a sense but even then its dependent on player/team. recent seattle winner was just ripping it most times, id hardly call some things middle ground for him. i think ud be surprised at how differently u might look at things after watching some teams and how they operate and likewise w/ players

[molten oasis]

I put Wolfe stuff on in the back

[dense latch]

same

[foggy lodge]

I think his new vids are somewhat more directed to casuals

[bold geode]

Most the time I use his stuff for background noise cuz the videos are so long

[lofty tartan]

All I've ever really known from the guy is "look at what I can do"

I recognize he's a great player, but none of his current videos informed me of anything and I learned far more by just doing things.

[dense latch]

tldr the concept of bug types and legendaries are polar opposites

[bold geode]

And I have no music playlists made up

[foggy lodge]

Like for a casual its cool the story of how tera bug became super important and why it was good

[shadow wind]

I also have no music playlists I just let spotify take the wheel

[bold geode]

Tbh I feel like the last part is just general

[foggy lodge]

For me that i actually lived it its not that interesting

[shadow wind]

Recently been on that Japanese city pop music

[lofty tartan]

So like... The entire idea of Wolfe is something I write off in the regards of VGC content, now.

[rustic mountain]

hes locked most of his informative content behind patreon now

[dense latch]

yea

[molten oasis]

That’s lame but I get it

[dense latch]

the only vgc content creator i regularly watch is mdb

[lofty tartan]

Yeah I ain't payin' for that nonsense. I ended that after I stopped paying for coaching.

[shadow wind]

Yeah different playstyles is something I know nothing about in vgc just because I don't watch or play events but singles taught me it extremely well I'd say

[bold geode]

Which kinda sucks cuz the shit is actually somewhat useful

[lofty tartan]

Great players don't always amount to great teachers.

[shadow wind]

Singles you gotta have that switch and be able to play any kind of mons

[rustic mountain]

theres tons of good vgc creators out there rn. tub takes, battleroom, justin tang

[rustic mountain]

it is unfortunate

[shadow wind]

Now this is the EXACT kind of gameplay I wanted to see

[dense latch]

o yea battleroom is awesome too

[lofty tartan]

I honestly stopped really watching any VGC content creators recently. I was almost exclusively watching Aaron and James but even that I do very little of now.

I've never really cared to watch Justin Tang either

[shadow wind]

Singles content creators is where it's at

Man I love watching singles

[bold geode]

Like it sucks cuz like it's good stuff even if it's just general stuff and knowledge and I'd actually suggest consuming his Patreon content but like
I don't want to tell people like "yeah you should pay 10 bucks a month for knowledge"

[lofty tartan]

Win one tournament and then go on Metafy to charge people for coaching

[bold geode]

Like I do it personally but I don't wanna tell people to do the same

[rustic mountain]

i feel u

i think theres other ways to get good

[lofty tartan]

Yeah especially when information should realistically be a freely shared thing instead of coveted and paywalled.

[shadow wind]

Erik you watch singles content right?

[bold geode]

Imma say something controversial

[dense latch]

used to

[lofty tartan]

But everyone monetizes everything now.

[bold geode]

While Justin Tang and Joe Ugarye are doing vids to help the scene

Sometimes their vids just feel like slop

[lofty tartan]

Agree.

[dense latch]

like a year ago i was a bit into OMs and i'd watch pokeaim but not anymore really

[lofty tartan]

Not controversial at all, really.

[foggy lodge]

I think the content is cool but I also wouldn't buy it cuz I just don't really would want to support that type of content

[molten oasis]

They do vids?

[lofty tartan]

"ZOMG VGC PLAYERS ARE SCARED OF THIS ONE COOL TRICK" -- Ugarte, probably.

[shadow wind]

James baek vids are like that I feel

[bold geode]

They do

[shadow wind]

If they brought back good oms I'd play em

[rustic mountain]

joes vids could use more polish which is why i didnt mention him, hes not generally offering crazy insights. tang atleast mixes in other types of vids from wat ive seen tho

[dense latch]

youtube aside i like mdb's team showcases getting solid evs and explanations for good performing teams are really nice

[bold geode]

Also too like
Deadass if you wanna learn
Just play the damn game

[lofty tartan]

Ugarte has been doing some really clickbaity sorts of videos here and there. Justin needs more wins/experience, I feel, before going out and charging people 30/hr for coaching lessons.

That's more than what I make an hour and I have to deal with literal violence at my job.

[bold geode]

Also hot tip
While it is good to learn knowledge and advice from these players
The best thing to do is not to conform to everything they say

Have your own fucking opinion

[rustic mountain]

dude idk tang is easily one of the more decorated vgc players very early in his career

[dense latch]

the rest of the top players with experience charge like 50 an hour to be fair

and he's a 3x regional champ

[shadow wind]

VGC coaching 😔

[lofty tartan]

Be that as it may, it's during a point in VGC where pins aren't as meaningful as they are when tera isn't a thing, and if you wanna charge people for your information, you should have a track record longer than my street

[rustic mountain]

the coaching thing i think is separate thing id rather not get into atm but in terms of wins/experience i think hes there w/ just about anyone outside a select few

[lofty tartan]

(My street is short)

[shadow wind]

Real men organically boost their gxe by making terrible teams that turn into mediocre teams !

[foggy lodge]

Lmfao

[lofty tartan]

I got some coaching from a few guys. Shopped around. Compared the advice.

Ultimately I decided that coaching is not for me. It never really taught me much, I faced some actual moments that felt like ridicule at the behest of people more "skilled" than me, and I think it's a waste of time if I want to get better at the game.

Just because you can play the game doesn't mean you can teach what you know.

[shadow wind]

That's prety much how I expect it to go

I feel like I could teach people up to about 55% of their max potential

But anything more would be out of my range

[foggy lodge]

Coaching is cool when you can see a change in results or how you play but it also obviously depends for each person

Every person learns in a different way

[lofty tartan]

Ultimately all of the advice always boiled down to "grind games on Showdown"

[rustic mountain]

realistically theres many ways to improve at the game that dont include shelling out 20+ an hour. i wonder how many players at the top had paid for coaching thats all ill leave it at

[lofty tartan]

And here I am paying actual money for the lowest hanging fruit.

[shadow wind]

So real

[lofty tartan]

No, I agree with you. I think coaching has SOME merits, but not to improve your skill from middle of the road to skilled.

[rustic mountain]

but seriously conner watching the game does help even if u dont think it does

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[shadow wind]

It always does 😔

[lofty tartan]

If you have more than a basic understanding of the game, I don't think coaching is for you.

[shadow wind]

Holy moly what is this? Heaven?

[lofty tartan]

And honestly? Coaching only ever made me feel like LESS of a player than I really am.

[shadow wind]

Nah I'd say coaching can be good for learning the game and the mechanics if you know absolutely nothing but after that you should learn on your own

[rustic mountain]

i respect people grinding $ in these trying times i just dont see it as a reasonable option in most cases. i feel like if you pulled a statistic for coached player conversion over the span of multiple seasons itd be a laughable number

[lofty tartan]

That's basically what I said.

[shadow wind]

Sorry I mean to say yeah not nah

[lofty tartan]

Gotcha. 😄

[shadow wind]

Canada lingo gets fried when broken down

No yeah and yeah no

[lofty tartan]

Realistically I don't doubt you one bit.

[foggy lodge]

Tbh coaching isn't something magical so if you just don't click the right buttons at the right time

The coaching won't matter

[waxen dock]

Your team was in totw they probably took inspiration

[shadow wind]

I can only pray

I try to be an inspiration to Groudoners everywhere

[lofty tartan]

As far as respecting the grind, maybe a little less here. It's just trying to capitalize on a fad of coaching through things like Metafy. There was a big boom of VGC and TCG coaches around the time I was getting into competitive pokemon as a whole, and it's more simmering down now that people are realizing that no one is going to pay those rates

Like some of those hourly rates were astronomical for what they were offering.

Michael Arand had good rates but bad advice.

[rustic mountain]

just find ppl u can build w/ and improve w/ and thats kinda it. the journey isnt done alone but it doesnt involve by the hour charging in most cases of any success in the scene. u dont hear marco/wolfey/mdb talkin about getting coaching lessons

[waxen dock]

Groudon got top 4 and top 8 in senior worlds

[foggy lodge]

Truth nuke

[lofty tartan]

The coaching is for learning how to click the right buttons at the right time. I wanted to learn more nuanced and thoughtful play.

[waxen dock]

But woth cir

Not with miraidon

[shadow wind]

It got 2 top cuts in masters too both with CIR

[foggy lodge]

Yeah

[lofty tartan]

This is what I learned

Progress isn't linear.

[shadow wind]

But Groudon CIR is not my jam

[lofty tartan]

I think it's really important to grasp that fact

[shadow wind]

It's just anti Kyogre mu fishing

[waxen dock]

I have been thinking about getting coaching recently

[foggy lodge]

I remember seeing some like public coaching sessions from some players and honestly most of them was just playing games and saying basically the best options for each turn

[waxen dock]

For my first regional and maybe worlds if i go

[lofty tartan]

You have a decent understanding of the game. I don't think coaching will provide you with any value.

[foggy lodge]

And like yeah that can help some people but I feel like me for example it wouldn't help cuz like

I'm searching how to adapt to different situations or get good positions idk whatever

[lofty tartan]

I think that's just volume of games, really.

[foggy lodge]

But for example if i wanted to just discover the most optimal moves i feel like i could just vod review

[lofty tartan]

You should record and review. Absolutely.

Evaluating your plays after you've made them is important. Even the ones you think were right, because they may have been lucky or opportunistic, but not right

[rustic mountain]

u can go to top cutting a regional to missing out on a day 2, its a harsh scene. people who have had success group up and like make fun out of it/optimize housing arrangements and car pool. like its completely different to someone whos like yea lemme get coaching have no point of entry or friends in the scene and just pull up dolo and thrive. ur bouncing ideas around in a teambuilding group w/ 4-5 sometimes more people and constantly going back to the drawing board and figuring it out. ur not asking them to give u 5 bucks for every hour u spend onnit

[lofty tartan]

I've evaluated games that I've won and come to the conclusion that I was not making the right/safe plays.

[shadow wind]

Vod reviewing for me is always so meaningless because I'm stubborn and chalk it up to 1 bad play over a game and maybe that's cause I'm a restricted format one trick

[lofty tartan]

The person who gets coaching and has no point of entry or friends in the scene is me.

I am potential man.

I travel with my roommate, and got him into VGC, because I didn't want to go alone

[rustic mountain]

everyones there tho at some point, u just find ppl who do and want to go to events and commit to it

[lofty tartan]

He gets to experience these cities and cultures and I get to seriously compete. He's just in it for the funsies.

[molten oasis]

I don’t have money yet to start really competing

[rustic mountain]

doesnt mean u cant go dolo, but like honestly anything in life, u need a support system/community

[lofty tartan]

Dude I am a forty year old dad who lost all of his friends during Covid for various reasons. Making new friends with young strangers is not easy.

[rustic mountain]

fair enough

[shadow wind]

Well when you word it like that

[lofty tartan]

And honestly I am an atypical pokemon fan who does not have opinions about the franchise that align with a large part of the community. lol

A lot of my opinons would get me blasted.

But I love the game. Always have. Been playing since I got my hands on Blue before the Pokemon craze hit and I thought it was just a neat RPG

I used to play a lot of competitive Magic the Gathering. Competition itself is the rush

[rustic mountain]

never got into mtg

[lofty tartan]

Hopefully my TCG store will be open soon and I can put my professor certification to more use.

[lofty tartan]

I was pretty deep. Level 1 Judge. 1900 rating. But eventually it priced me out of physical cards

[rustic mountain]

i heard tcgs get quite expensive yea

[lofty tartan]

Oh compared to now, I was a sweet summer child for leaving MTG when I did lmfao

[shadow wind]

I think we take showdown for granted way too often

[lofty tartan]

TCGs are in the most insane boom/price gouging operation I've ever seen and I've been neck deep in them since 1996

[foggy lodge]

Btw why does showdown say that is in beta

Why is it permanently a beta

[lofty tartan]

It's always changing and growing.

[shadow wind]

Cause I don't think it can be officially released with the copyright stuff

Or that

[lofty tartan]

Nah I'm just talking shit. I have no actual idea.

[shadow wind]

Me neither !

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

[rustic mountain]

conner if sd charged 5 bucks a month would u pay it

[lofty tartan]

[shadow wind]

Don't ask me such questions

Realistically no

[lofty tartan]

That's less than a coffee at Dunkin so it's pretty decent.

[molten oasis]

$5 a month? Oof

[rustic mountain]

they never will its a hypothetical

[molten oasis]

Tho that’s not that bad

[shadow wind]

Actually now that I just got my first credit card yeah probably

[lofty tartan]

5 a month is easy sauce

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[shadow wind]

60 year is extremely cheap now thinking about it

[foggy lodge]

Conner in an hypothetical scenario where a meteor is crashing into your house and you are trapped inside of it and all the doors and windows are impossible to open or break what would you do

[lofty tartan]

Yeah with the cost of goods where they are... 5 is nothing

[shadow wind]

Boot up a game of showdown

[foggy lodge]

One last dance with groudon

[shadow wind]

One last Groudon

[lofty tartan]

Man is gonna die happy

[rustic mountain]

"if i hit this precipice blades the meteor will miss"

[shadow wind]

Realistically probably make some dumb post on all socials saying that if you don't repost I'll get hit with a meteor in the next 24 hours

[lofty tartan]

"Groudon stop the meteor!"

[molten oasis]

The meteor is a Draco meteor meaning there’s a 10% chance to miss

[lofty tartan]

It crits.

You die.

[molten oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/green-alien-cat-green-alien-cat-meme-cat-rage-meme-angry-alien-cat-gif-16978295465898295971

[shadow wind]

Groudon never living no draco

[rustic mountain]

tera fairy

[lofty tartan]

Tera NOTHING

[shadow wind]

252+ SpA Hadron Engine Miraidon Draco Meteor vs. 132 HP / 204 SpD Groudon: 147-174 (76.5 - 90.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[lofty tartan]

Actually I am kinda pumped to experience VGC without Tera.

[rustic mountain]

i keep saying it but tera being gone gna b so nice

[shadow wind]

I take it back

Groudon infact lives a draco

[lofty tartan]

You and me on that same wavelength again, srsly.

[rustic mountain]

its gna b glorious

[shadow wind]

I been saying this since tera came out

[lofty tartan]

I swear tree is a younger, more handsome me. The apple of my eye.

[rustic mountain]

tera was cool as far as gimmicks go but gimme vgc without having to worry about changing types

[shadow wind]

As a gameplay gimmick it was fun but in a competitive environment it is so terrible

This is the generation of 50/50s

Speed ties at 135 and 50
Tera or no tera
Whatever Kingambit has done to singles

[lofty tartan]

Yeah see I am decidedly in this camp right now. Like I asked someone what people did in regards to pins before Tera.

"You die"

[rustic mountain]

trust me 50/50s exist every gen

[shadow wind]

Well of course

Protect or no protect it's always there

[rustic mountain]

thats not the only 50/50......

[shadow wind]

Was just an example

[rustic mountain]

oh ok

[shadow wind]

Pblades hitting or missing, my favourite 50/50

[foggy lodge]

I liked tera but after 3 years of tera you get bored of it

[lofty tartan]

Like Tera being gone and Megas coming in, I am here for it.

[rustic mountain]

or u just ball out and switch/ have good ev spreads for specific use case

[lofty tartan]

I dont' dislike Tera but it's absolute cancer for closed team sheets

[foggy lodge]

My favourite thing in VGC is when i overthink an interaction of how to ko a mon

[shadow wind]

Yeah I really don't know why I've stuck to this cts bo1 life

[lofty tartan]

That being said, I'm down for OTS staying forever.

[shadow wind]

Fake out the CSR or just knock off 😔

[foggy lodge]

Like "will they tera will they switch will they protect are they faster than me because they have a weird spread"

[rustic mountain]

certain pins yea tho ur pretty cooked but thats the beauty, dont get pinned

[foggy lodge]

And then nothing happens and they just let the mon die

[lofty tartan]

I'm just into no-Tera. Tera is a fine gimmick but Megas are cool and idgaf if it's unbalanced it's gonna be time to burn the kitchen down

In a grease fire.

[shadow wind]

Cts Miraidon lead mirror is just gambling

[rustic mountain]

megas will have their own set of issues but idk depending on format it might b a lot different w/ which ones are good and whats around to enable them

[lofty tartan]

I recognize I'm no expert team builder. I just have a firm grasp of the meta, and I attribute years of Magic for that.

[foggy lodge]

Today I won a room tour of gen 6

[lofty tartan]

But Mega formats are spice.

[shadow wind]

That's my goat

[foggy lodge]

Mega Kangaskhan i was nor familiar with your game

[lofty tartan]

Not familiar?

[rustic mountain]

pre power punch and parental bond nerf was nasty

[foggy lodge]

I didn't even bring it in finals but it was cool

[lofty tartan]

What's the matter with you

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[lofty tartan]

Run out Kanga, hit stuff, profit

[foggy lodge]

Lmao

[lofty tartan]

I still don't think Kanga is gonna keep Power-Up Punch from ZA into Gen 10 VGC

[molten oasis]

Me personally, the little bit I played in the 2017 form I was like “wow, I don’t think I like Tera that much”

[lofty tartan]

Some people think it will, but I don't, right now.

[shadow wind]

Bro I just watched a Groudon player click pblades into wide guard 3 turns in a row

[rustic mountain]

idk , it might

[lofty tartan]

If at first you don't succeed...

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[lofty tartan]

Dude had a mission

[molten oasis]

Drops wide guard, double miss

[shadow wind]

The humble heat crash waiting to deal 230% to the Ogerpon in tr

[lofty tartan]

I mean if it does, I'll use it. I just don't think it will. I have no real basis for this except that Kanga already had a run as a pretty broken mainstay

[shadow wind]

And they only had Rilla in the back which means no protect and they just win 😭

[molten oasis]

Metagross I think is gonna be next now that it has better stabs

[shadow wind]

I think I'd be a terrible mid level coach cause I'd just ask why they didn't make a better play

[molten oasis]

Psychic fangs and heavy slam are gonna be brutal

[rustic mountain]

dude if ur coaching u make sure they dont make that play

[foggy lodge]

Wide guard 50s are also funny

[molten oasis]

True!

[shadow wind]

That's what I mean

"Why did you not just win by clicking these moves in this sequence"

[lofty tartan]

Psychic Fangs is boosted by Tough Claws

[rustic mountain]

i thought u meant ud wait for them to p blades 3 times then ask

[foggy lodge]

"There's no way you wide guard"
"There's no way you glacial lance"

[shadow wind]

God no I'd never tell anyone to pblades when a Zama is on the field

[lofty tartan]

Oh Heavy Slam is too. Missed that.

[molten oasis]

Yep. Tough claws heavy slam next to Pao ko’s rillaboom

[rustic mountain]

wide guards always a mind game its easy to sit back and ask vs playing it

[shadow wind]

Average Miraidon lead

[lofty tartan]

Yeah Slam/Fangs is gonna be pretty nasty.

[molten oasis]

It just kills rillaboom it’s really funny

But it’s gonna be gross cuz Pao covers metagross pretty decently too

[shadow wind]

100% but in so many situations you just click the other move

Who cares if they don't click wide guard

[lofty tartan]

That's fair. Scares the hell out of ground guys, which are usually pretty safe to shove into Metagross

[molten oasis]

Ghosts too

[shadow wind]

So many people try to make the max value play which is almost never necessary

[lofty tartan]

Yup

[rustic mountain]

sure unless its not optimal for u to, u want p blades more often then not, theyre making u choose something theyd rather u click

[lofty tartan]

Pao/Mega Meta does seem pretty strong.

[molten oasis]

Gonna be a strong duo most likely, Zard y also gets paradox now

[lofty tartan]

Megas just mean a lot of potential, to me.

[molten oasis]

I hope the new megas are good

[shadow wind]

Well yeah if Zama and Bolt are on the field there's no point in clicking anything but pblades

[lofty tartan]

Incin still gonna be king because it'll keep the more broken stuff in check

[shadow wind]

Which is why this wisp is going to go brazy in those situations

[molten oasis]

and they don’t somehow butcher golispod or baxcalibur

[shadow wind]

Lets not think about hhp

[molten oasis]

still sad they levitated Delphox

[lofty tartan]

God I hope Mega Golisopod and Baxcalibur are strong.

[shadow wind]

If Bax keeps his base ability he'll be good

[molten oasis]

They’re cool like, I want them to be strong

[lofty tartan]

Bring my boys home, Gamefreak.

[molten oasis]

Golispod needs time to shine

[shadow wind]

I wish Golisopod kept his water typing

[lofty tartan]

Yes

[shadow wind]

Water/bug way cooler than bug/steel

[molten oasis]

Bug steel is an upgrade

[foggy lodge]

They bette give Chimecho the most broken ability ever

[lofty tartan]

I hope they're not cowards and give him Water Bubble so he can begin an unstoppable reign of terror.

[rustic mountain]

yea i just mean its tougher to call wen thats the mind game and the can just as easily not wide guard and ur at even more of a disadvantage

[molten oasis]

That typings crazy good

[shadow wind]

It is but the water/bug theme was cooler

[foggy lodge]

Chimecho roar it just boosts 50% all sound moves and all of them paralyze now

[molten oasis]

That would be insane

[foggy lodge]

Fuck it

[shadow wind]

Exactly

[lofty tartan]

It would be insane

[shadow wind]

Anything can happen on any given turn

I could just never hit a pblades ever again

[molten oasis]

2x weakness instead of 4, no burns, water moves still hurt like hell

[lofty tartan]

It would reduce the 4x Fire weakness to 2x and give him his Water stabs.

I think it's probably too busted.

[lofty tartan]

But it's a nice thought.

[molten oasis]

Off 150 attack too

[foggy lodge]

Put it on rain

Rain booster water bubble boosted coverage

[rustic mountain]

statistically very unlikely but sure

[shadow wind]

That ability listed is a bad omen

[shadow wind]

Lets hope so

[rustic mountain]

my point is clicking it 3 times is not like a bad call necessarily

[molten oasis]

It’s not gonna get emergency exit

[lofty tartan]

Nah. It's just carryover from the regular.

[molten oasis]

There’s no way GF is gonna give it that

right?

[rustic mountain]

sure

[shadow wind]

With no context 100%

But if you saw that game you'd be cringing

[rustic mountain]

hahah im sure i would be conner

[foggy lodge]

Imagine you mega evolve and it gets inmediatly ejected out because of the ability lmao

[lofty tartan]

I'd be even fine with Regenerator on Mega Golisopod.

[molten oasis]

Yeah that be sweet

[shadow wind]

Zama next to Firepon in tr with Rilla in the back and they had Farig next to tera fire Groudon with Miraidon in the back with 3 turns of tr left 😔

[rustic mountain]

mega golisopod doesnt seem awful

[molten oasis]

Bax just keeps thermal exchange and we chill

[lofty tartan]

U-Turn Regenerator Mega Golisopod is fair.

[molten oasis]

Put it on snow or smth

[shadow wind]

Ok guys

[molten oasis]

It’s the better of the megas stat wise

[shadow wind]

What do you think of people using shinies in showdown

[molten oasis]

That isn’t heatran

[lofty tartan]

I use shinies because all I use in actual VGC are shinies.

[molten oasis]

Mega heatran stats are nuts

[rustic mountain]

tr dependence + base form not being great +unsure mega ability

[foggy lodge]

I do sometimes but its a cope of me not having the shiny in the actual game

[shadow wind]

Aura

[molten oasis]

Imma use it anyway

[rustic mountain]

[molten oasis]

Unless it keeps its ability then I’m not touching it

[lofty tartan]

I source all of my own mons so I always know they're legit, and I heavily overfish because I hunt Marks.

[molten oasis]

This guy tho

[lofty tartan]

Does anyone want a whole box of shiny Electabuzz, by the way?

[molten oasis]

Huh? Lmao

[molten oasis]

I use shinies I have

Otherwise I don’t click the button

[lofty tartan]

I was hunting Electabuzz for Reg H Regionals. I wanted a unique Mark.

I kept getting the same Marks.

So I kept farming shiny Electabuzz.

[molten oasis]

Damn lmao

[shadow wind]

I think my teambuilding methods are so lazy

[lofty tartan]

And then I usually source several other people's teams now, so I had to get THEM shiny Electabuzz too

[molten oasis]

I have one from za I use

[shadow wind]

Like I can teambuild don't get me wrong but when I make a team I'm so lazy in the builder

[molten oasis]

Of the Distant Past goes hard imo

[lofty tartan]

My mons are all throughout the VGC scene now 👀

[molten oasis]

Not za Arceus oops

[lofty tartan]

I am spreading.

[molten oasis]

I wonder if we’ll get a title from ZA mons

[shadow wind]

Won't ever see me type in "Precipice Blades" I type in "pbl" then tab

[foggy lodge]

One of your mons has to win a regional at some point

[lofty tartan]

I've given Yotam some shinies for teams.

He's gonna win one eventually.

[molten oasis]

Yotam gonna win one

[foggy lodge]

My Raging Bolt has travelled through whole latinamerica at this point

[molten oasis]

You gave your bolt away?

[shadow wind]

W larp

[lofty tartan]

I gave Yotam a shiny Dream Ball Porygon.

[molten oasis]

Normal normal normal LEAVANY?

[lofty tartan]

He'll bring Pory to a Regional win

[foggy lodge]

Nah sometimes some people would ask to borrow it

But I have it back already

[lofty tartan]

I lend mons but I've given a lot of them away too.

[shadow wind]

I don't think I ever trade mons

[molten oasis]

Yall got connections I just exist lmao

[lofty tartan]

I'm fortunate in shinies so I like to share the love.

[shadow wind]

Drago you n me both

I don't know the last time I even named a mon in showdown

[molten oasis]

My fortune on shinies varies on what I choose to hunt

[foggy lodge]

Half of spain's incin rillas are from my friend lmao

Serious incin rilla breeder

[lofty tartan]

I'm basically just trying to do well at a Regionals and meet more people. It's more reasonable for me to get friendly with folks over discord before meeting them in person because I'm more likely to not approach you if I don't know you.

[shadow wind]

Y'all name your showdown teams?

[molten oasis]

I got a marked incin really fast but I never got a good rilla it was lame

[lofty tartan]

Like Spicy and I are gonna chill at every Regionals we hit at the same time now.

He's my kind of people.

The three of us had a blast.

[foggy lodge]

"version 1 (did not work)"
"Version 2 (x mon was mid)"
"Version 3 (lacks cohesion)"

[molten oasis]

I gotta work on talking to people

[shadow wind]

Untitled teams for miles

[lofty tartan]

I use showdown primarily for regionals prep, so I name them according to the regionals they're being prepped for.

[molten oasis]

I get so anxious over meeting new people, fckn sucks

[lofty tartan]

Yeah become friends with them over discord and then go out and hit the city with them

Like am I gonna approach any of the pros or something? Nah. But I'll go hit a bar with Dillon and Yotam any day

[molten oasis]

Lizard

[shadow wind]

Whatchu mean lizard

[molten oasis]

Valid

[lofty tartan]

I'd love to get like... a real playgroup going. I've tried for months and months, but it never comes to pass. Lol

And I'm not looking to inject myself into someone else's operation either

[molten oasis]

I don’t have money to travel every few months

[lofty tartan]

This year I can actually afford it reasonably.

[molten oasis]

Gotta get some better job

[lofty tartan]

Yeah man I took time off VGC for me and it paid off

[shadow wind]

I actually love meeting people but usually I end up talking too much

[molten oasis]

I’m too awkward

[lofty tartan]

I mean I've had long conversations with strangers in public places. Circumstance is a weird thing

But I usually don't approach people at functions

[molten oasis]

The servers where I work know that, I’m either awkward or silent so

[shadow wind]

See now I love approaching people

[foggy lodge]

I only approach people when they are small places

[lofty tartan]

I'll talk to anyone if they're willing to talk. That's fine. But I also respect my time and my privacy, so I try to do the same for others going about their business.

Not to say you're disrespectful or anything, at all

[foggy lodge]

Like at my locals I could interact easily cuz its small and its likely at some point you are gonna have to talk with them so

[lofty tartan]

Buuuut I should head to bed. Gotta be up in 5 hours for work

[shadow wind]

Why can't more people play on the ladder with spectators on

I wish to be entertained

Anyone else ever just go back and watch replays that were important at a time?

[foggy lodge]

Sometimes

[shadow wind]

There's this one replay that I have when Maya and I played a very very serious Bo3 match in Reg G

Well I guess it's 3 replays

But it's by far my favourite replay I have saved

I think it's the best I've ever played

[foggy lodge]

@shadow wind i found our reg i match

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2394041509-3xy58rf6sqsdijvtxy607cgeb2tr1xcpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2394038617-p097ftuvbdcoo47qplsvpmk3jc50yevpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025regibo3-2394039982-2ns9tb3muph40rux0mrprmqyinqjughpw

[shadow wind]

Aw man 😔

Time to rewatch

Oh nah

Treads????

Who even was I

I KNEW I GOT BURNT TO LOSE

Lowkey I was super throwing the entire time

I was allergic to heat crashing the Volc any sooner

And clicking discharge was throwing as well

Man I sucked

[foggy lodge]

lmao

Its a funny match

[shadow wind]

Watching it I’m like “wait no way I lose this” the entire time

[foggy lodge]

I also found my replay against fedecampo

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2261804941-uscef7v2mjfx487j1f4w1y8myest4l5pw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2261807634-mf586x1u7ftuq74qftfwwhyysidv3okpw
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2025reggbo3-2261809359-n89c6b6tdnq9pwxg5ptqodib6iebwcvpw

[shadow wind]

That’s fire

[shadow wind]

W

[dull ibex]

hey comp chat

[shadow wind]

Just played Zama CSR dozo giri and it was scarf CSR 😭

Funny thing about scarf csr is that guy does 0 damage

Also encore/disable CSR is so terrible

[shadow wind]

I keep getting matched into a guy that was #1 on ladder yesterday

What is a guy to do in such situations

[rustic mountain]

win

[shadow wind]

So real

Unfortunately he has a counter team

Also I really dislike how the matchmaking system works

I think 250+ elo gaps shouldn't exist

Especially in a game like pokemon

Obviously I'm saying this because I'm on the higher end of the spectrum of the ladder and also using a very inconsistent team

And if a team was consistent they'd just take the freelo and move on

[rustic mountain]

it searches for a certain period of ppl in ur range then after a certain amount of time looks for matches outside of that, it prioritizes finding matches vs matches that are in a 100ish of eachother

[shadow wind]

Well yeah

But I'd rather just not find a match than match into a 300 elo down pair

[rustic mountain]

give it like 10-15 seconds and refresh searching if ur that od on it pairing down, usually after then itll start looking outside w/e range ur in from my experience

[shadow wind]

Mm fair

[rustic mountain]

then ud complain theres not enough matches prolly, ur playing a pretty dead ladder tbf thats gna happen more often in those cases then ones that are pretty active

[shadow wind]

Odds are you're correct

[rustic mountain]

reg f rarely gives u a -200 or +200 opponent ive gotten at most i think like within 150-170

[shadow wind]

I just really dislike losing 31 elo because I miss a single pblade 😔

As most people would

But I'm doing it to myself so I can't even complain

[shadow wind]

I'd imagine it gets a lot worse the higher up you go though

Like top 30 on ladder odds are you're getting downpaired loads

[rustic mountain]

yea def

but again depends on the level of downpairing, if its within 100, not that bad

also y a lot of ppl just hit top 10, top 5 or 1 and then just park

[shadow wind]

Within 100 I will never complain

It's when it gets to 150-200 I start getting a little ansty

When I'm getting sub 10 elo for a win I'm not impressed

[rustic mountain]

wen ur the pair down its great, u lose eh w/e they were high elo, u win tho?

[shadow wind]

Yeah I know right

Like we're borderline here

And every game I'm fighting for my life cause it's bo1

[rustic mountain]

ive seen ppl get like 5/6 points wen they r at the top lol

[shadow wind]

Oh I've been there for sure

I think lowest I've ever gotten was 6

Also tera water Zacian is so peak

On the brightside

Losing then winning 2 at this level is just a gxe booster

[sudden remnant]

🫩

[shadow wind]

Started today at 1630 75.9% and now I'm 1622 76.4%

Ultra hovering

Also it's always funny to rematch someone and they have a new move or new item that they definitely put on after you beat them

It's so beautiful I could cry

😭

Why can't people just accept losses

I don't go "Man those 4 pblade misses were :(" after I lose 35 elo

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2551935471

[shadow wind]

W

Bro if I don't lose to a pblade miss I lose to a draco miss 😭

[rustic mountain]

only time i dont is wen some1 says gg and it was not a gg

im like bruh no

i had some1 do that after i double missed icicle crash and they crit me

[shadow wind]

Yeah I'm not a fan of when people do that

What the heck

[molten oasis]

Bolt just took a +2 astral barrage and won me the game

[molten oasis]

Yeah zacian can OHKO kyogre

[shadow wind]

That is wild

[shadow wind]

Holy goat

[molten oasis]

Next to Pao it’s pretty much guaranteed

[shadow wind]

I haven't been bringing bolt much I find

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2551939457-eyswn8pax6piy62qcqq8uuva6y3uno0pw

Now this team wasn’t good but still I thought I was cooked

[shadow wind]

Why does bro only fight dead fish

11th on ladder by the way

Holy I just just haxed him so bad

I actually feel bd

[stone trellis]

That team is so ass, even @sudden remnant wouldn't dare to think about using it.

[molten oasis]

I couldn’t tell you

[shadow wind]

Man I love showdown

Cinema 😭

Finally I'm the one critting to win

Oh also Drago

[stone trellis]

Why are you using Zacian?

[shadow wind]

I changed the Groudon moves and Volc spread https://pokepast.es/9934631ff0636c3a

[sudden remnant]

ouch but true

wouldnt catch me dead using white kyurem rayray (i would use white kyurem just not that combo)

[shadow wind]

And just lost to misty explosion GWeezing !

Man I love cts

[sudden remnant]

LMAO

[shadow wind]

Definitely could've beaten it too

[sudden remnant]

hes been on a zacian grind lately

[near crag]

Can we post reg g stuff here? It's probably going to be the next reg, and I made a team just now

[sudden remnant]

the next reg isnt changing im pretty sure

[near crag]

Why?

[sudden remnant]

idk im not nintendo or tpci

[near crag]

Did it ever happen before?

[shadow wind]

Yeah currently SwSh is on their mythical format still I believe

[sudden remnant]

well they said in their post before we got reg F that they werent changing the reg until champions

shit i should go play sword and shield then fuck this reg F and reg I bs

and i already have a keldeo

[near crag]

Damn if it's still f I'm cooked beyond imagination

Haven't played that a bit this time around

[sudden remnant]

F is dogshit 🫩

its just regulation Bolt in a neat little disguise

[near crag]

Only one silver lining is it isn't regulation sneasler

[sudden remnant]

i mean

someone is probably running sneasler in reg F

and lets be fr reg H was reg Dozogiri

[near crag]

That's true, but at least I could haze instead of throwing some dice at sight of dire claw

[sudden remnant]

i mean there are answers to sneasler

id actually take reg H over reg F

might be a hot take, but i fucking hate this shit

[bold geode]

Nah you like Bolt Balance

[sudden remnant]

me when i spread misinformation and lies

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-peabody-hypnotize-gif-18017563854157472082

You like Bolt Balance

[sudden remnant]

its not working

[bold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/shusher-home-captain-smek-gif-16112908977447177811

Did that work

[sudden remnant]

no

[near crag]

I'm going on record that I will never infringe nintendo's copyright if we get reg g

[molten oasis]

Reg h was sneasler dengo balance

[sudden remnant]

fuck raging bolt and whichever fuck ass dev cursed us with that

[molten oasis]

Reg a was reg dozogiri