competitive_discussion

[shadow wind]

😔

[shadow wind]

They can't take away my showdown

[brisk crater]

Yeah like i thought it wouldnt be pay to win now it seems like it is

Like id rather even stick to s/v if thats the case

Bc this was supposed to make comp easier to get into, not harder

[brisk crater]

If they took down showdown so many people would quit comp pokemon that day

They would lose so many players

[shadow wind]

Ya never know with pokemon

[brisk crater]

Im lowk sad that champions will most likely be pay to win.

[shadow wind]

Pay to have a mediocre time and still lose

To be more realistic

[bold geode]

https://x.com/i/status/2028576740059074703

Chuppa (@ChuppaVGC)

I think it is too soon to be jumping to conclusions about the monetization features in Champions

X · Mar 2, 2026, 9:02 PM

[shadow wind]

Ok but if we think it's going to be trash then it's not trash we're all happy

[graceful scaffold]

Think happy thoughts. Stay positive

Dies

[sudden remnant]

chat should i br leading my pikachu and then immediately swapping to my overleveled starter to get xp on this pikachu

i havent played pre-gen 7 games in a minute 👨‍🦯

[shadow wind]

What game is this for?

[sudden remnant]

leaf green

pikachu is trash until level 11 when it gets quick attack 🫩

[shadow wind]

pikachu is trash until level 11 when it gets quick attack

[sudden remnant]

pikachu is not trash hater

and raichu is quite good to cover for my charmeleon (i chose charmander so i can get suicune later and literally no other reason)

also paralysis is broken pre-nerf in gen 6

[shadow wind]

Yes

[sudden remnant]

chat how do i get hidden power in this game google is not helpful

[cyan smelt]

Can u spore grass types in frlg

[sudden remnant]

no

grass isnt immune to spore based moves until gen 6

[cyan smelt]

Based

I loved shiny hunting celebi in crystal then sporing it

I lived for that

[sudden remnant]

me paralyzing electric types

[cyan smelt]

What good electric types are in frlg

[sudden remnant]

um

raichu ampharos jolteon electabuzz raikou (post game) magneton electrode zapdos (also post game) and lanturn are i think the only ones

since we cant trade with RSE thats literally it

[cyan smelt]

Finally ampharos' time to shine

[sudden remnant]

and rse would only add manectric and plusle and minun anyways

although icl plusle and minun are elite underrated support pokemon

[sudden remnant]

im using raichu since i wanna paralyze as fast as possible and ampharos uh, does not do that

[cyan smelt]

Are there even any double battles in frlg

[sudden remnant]

a few

[cyan smelt]

Is it a better port than bdsp

[sudden remnant]

anything is better than bdsp

[cyan smelt]

Who's the fire type on ur team

[sudden remnant]

charmeleon

i chose charmander so i can get suicune later

[cyan smelt]

Based

Suicune is the best one

Not in vgc terms but in design

[sudden remnant]

i will end up with 2 fire types though

cuz im getting a ninetales ASAP

[cyan smelt]

Wait are there abilities

[sudden remnant]

yeah

abilities were introduced in RSE

[cyan smelt]

Yesss gimme that ninetales with drought

[sudden remnant]

no

ninetales didnt get drought till hidden abilities were introduced in gen 5

[cyan smelt]

Flash fire?

[sudden remnant]

yeah

[cyan smelt]

Wall blaine

[sudden remnant]

pretty much

[cyan smelt]

I love how in every game there's always one pokemon to wall a tough gym leader

Daschbun for mela

[sudden remnant]

im being walled by misty

[cyan smelt]

Bc u picked hard mode

[sudden remnant]

my pikachu cant live more than 1 water pulse and i dont do quite enough damage to accommodate this

[sudden remnant]

I WANT SUICUNE 😭

[cyan smelt]

Are there any good grass types available 2 u

[sudden remnant]

starmies moves are water pulse swift rapid spin and recover

[sudden remnant]

“good” no

“available” yes

my nidorina has poison point

lets goooooooo

im gonna get nidoran to level 17 before i let her evolve for poison sting

and then immediately evolve her to nidoqueen cuz i already have a moon stone from mt moon

a shame i cant get a light ball in this game

[cyan smelt]

Is clefable any good

[red willow]

My farigiraf clicking helping hand to boost iron treads eq to kill my oppos last 2 mons knowing fully well itll kill it too:

Ive never played with treads before but that thing is kinda goated after a speed boost from quark drive lol

[foggy lodge]

Iron Treads is goated

https://tenor.com/view/iron-treads-pokémon-scarlet-and-violet-indigo-disk-blueberry-academy-gif-8561717663668617949

https://x.com/Azulite_poke/status/2028737902180479444?s=20

Azulite (@Azulite_poke)

I hope you guys saved your pulls for S-Rank Incineroar and the S-Rank Rillaboom Rerun😭

X · Mar 3, 2026, 7:43 AM

[vivid jungle]

Is it worth to use Xerneas instead of Miraidon? Talking about a Pixilate Sylveon build

Or are 2 Fairy types on the field just a little too much

[foggy lodge]

https://x.com/lorcylovesyou/status/2028580826967834920?s=20

Lorcy (@lorcylovesyou)

I’m excited to announce that I am an official Pokémon Community Ambassador!!!

I’ll be working closely with TPCi to bring real community feedback forward and make sure our voices are represented.

I’m very honored and grateful to be in this position and will do my best!!

X · Mar 2, 2026, 9:18 PM

My goat

[molten oasis]

Goat

[sudden remnant]

i wouldn’t know that one i didnt use clefable until it became a fairy type

[sudden remnant]

what game are you talking about cuz xerneas isnt in sv and mirai isnt in za

which means they would only interact with each other in natdex on showdown

and why the hell is the sylveon the main focus of the team

[vivid jungle]

Well uhh- guess this convo explaines itself. I meant to do it in SV and since I didn't get myself a Xerneas yet I just looked up all restricted mon. I saw that xerneas boosts Fairy type moves and I just so happen to have a team that focuses around my Sylveon

[sudden remnant]

xerneas isnt in sv and never has been

[vivid jungle]

I wanna be somewhat original and try and make one of my favourite Pokémon work in a way

[sudden remnant]

it still shouldnt be the main focus of the team, i would know as someone who uses niche mons

[vivid jungle]

Yeah I didn't know that- but good to hear that before I invest myself in teambuilding TwT

[vivid jungle]

Well uhmm.. yeeeeeah I guess I should focus it more around Miraidon and Zamazenta, but let me tell you I was cooking something illegal

[sudden remnant]

was it pixelate hyperbeam

[vivid jungle]

I tried it out in Showdown and against some meta Teams my friend used and it performed pretty well

[sudden remnant]

that doesnt mean much but sure

[vivid jungle]

It was pixilate Hypervoice, since I wanna use it in Reg I. Even though I was experimenting with the thought of giving it hyper beam

Rn my moveset is Hypervoice, Protect, Calm Mind and Shadow ball, with a Fairy Tera

But I think Tera fire with tera blast instead of shadow ball would be better, especially against other gholdengos

[sudden remnant]

that is absolutely nothing new

[vivid jungle]

You see my sylveon counters Miraidon and Gholdengo really well, its very tanky

[sudden remnant]

JUST USE MOONBLAST 😭

[vivid jungle]

Stop hating I'm new to comp

[vivid jungle]

NUH UH

[sudden remnant]

its better in every single way

[vivid jungle]

Why would I need moonblast when hypervoice does more damage

[sudden remnant]

wide guard is very common

throat chop is common

[vivid jungle]

Then Tera blast would be better either way?

[sudden remnant]

steel types are present (gholdengo is NOT one of them in reg I bro does not exist)

[sudden remnant]

fuck no just use moonblast its better in every single way than tera fairy tera blast

[vivid jungle]

Not fairy tera blast, the normal one

[sudden remnant]

what no

[vivid jungle]

Single target and does more damage than moonblast

[sudden remnant]

no the hell it doesnt

🫩

[vivid jungle]

80+20% Pixilate +50% Stab

Yes it does

[sudden remnant]

you also must consider that moonblast gives SpDef drops

[vivid jungle]

30%

[sudden remnant]

correct

it happens more often than you think

[foggy lodge]

Tera blast does more damage than moonblast on sylveon

[vivid jungle]

I rather focus on covering sylveons biggest weakness by giving it a fire move which it cant usually learn

[sudden remnant]

so why are you focusing on normal terablast to trigger pixelate 🫩

[foggy lodge]

But yeah the boost of pixilate over moonblast is marginal

[sudden remnant]

it gets NOTHING for fire types holy shit

[foggy lodge]

Tera blast is 2 points more powerful than moonblast xd

[sudden remnant]

which accumulates to how much more actual damage 🫩

[foggy lodge]

almost nothing ngl

2 extra BP is not gonna change most calcs

[vivid jungle]

I just have it in there so I have a single target stab and in case I need to tera it so sylv can defeat steel types

[foggy lodge]

But if you need tera blast more for having a fairy option that can transform into a coverage option

Its better in the end

[vivid jungle]

1HP can make a difference though-

[sudden remnant]

Hit point and base power are not the same?

[vivid jungle]

My argument

[vivid jungle]

It.. might do one point of damage more

And thats all that counts

[sudden remnant]

you would still want moonblast since you no longer have a fairy move in that case

[foggy lodge]

252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Moonblast vs. 44 HP / 12 SpD Miraidon: 210-248 (116 - 137%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Tera Blast vs. 44 HP / 12 SpD Miraidon: 212-252 (117.1 - 139.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

1-2% difference xd

[vivid jungle]

I uh

I don't have a SpA Nature

[sudden remnant]

what nature are you using

[vivid jungle]

I have a rather chonky SpD wallbreaker

[sudden remnant]

brother

[vivid jungle]

HEAR ME OUT

[sudden remnant]

i will NOT hear you out

[foggy lodge]

252 SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Moonblast vs. 44 HP / 12 SpD Miraidon: 192-228 (106 - 125.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Tera Blast vs. 44 HP / 12 SpD Miraidon: 192-228 (106 - 125.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[vivid jungle]

IT WORKED SO FAR OKAY 😭

[foggy lodge]

Now its 0% difference xd

[sudden remnant]

i will not be hearing you out

[vivid jungle]

I promise it's good

[sudden remnant]

if you wanted a tankyvee umbreon was right there

[vivid jungle]

NUH UH I DON'T WANT THAT EMO

Estrogeon with the funny scream move for the win

[sudden remnant]

insane sentence, also rude sentence

[vivid jungle]

Umbreon is overrated

102%

[sudden remnant]

umbreon is overrated, but its overrated for the right reasons

[foggy lodge]

@rustic mountain https://x.com/DimtheSimVGC/status/2028748481213661477?s=20

DimtheSimVGC (@DimtheSimVGC)

@playpokemon

X · Mar 3, 2026, 8:25 AM

[vivid jungle]

I

Let me tell you something

[vivid jungle]

Same stats beside the normal def

[foggy lodge]

I forget Umbreon is so fat

[vivid jungle]

Chonker

[foggy lodge]

How does CSR kill this thing

[sudden remnant]

umbreon is a TANK

[sudden remnant]

skill issue on the users part

[vivid jungle]

See and my sylveon is as well

It 100% survives a Miraidon Spec Drift

[sudden remnant]

im still not hearing you out on tank sylveon

[vivid jungle]

(If it doesn't crit)

You WILL

[sudden remnant]

i will not

[vivid jungle]

I took a whole 20 Hours of my life to breed that gremlin and today I just hatched myself a 6IV Shiny and I WILL be using it

That was a sign

[sudden remnant]

if it wasnt a fairy type id have told you that isnt optimal

[vivid jungle]

I will make it work, believe it

Buuuut.. I still need to get myself ogerpon to finish my team

And I need to find a sixth member since I feel like Whimsicott isn't cutting it

I almost never use it, and if I do I lose

[sudden remnant]

if whim isnt working it might be a user error

i will not tolerate slander against my cotton ball

[vivid jungle]

Maybe I'm using it wrong? 😭

[sudden remnant]

what are you running

moves and item

actually lemme askk what i shoulda started with what is the team

[vivid jungle]

It's prankster, helping hand, tailwind.. uhhh, encore and protect I think?

And the item was the mantle that ignores things like flinches

[foggy lodge]

No moonblast...

[sudden remnant]

no moonblast

🧱

[vivid jungle]

Yeah thats prolly why its not as useful

[sudden remnant]

is it covert cloak or focus sash

[sudden remnant]

covert cloak got it

so you dont need protect

[vivid jungle]

And my team is Miraidon, Zamazenta, Sylveon, Ogerpon Watermask, Incineroar and Whimsi

[vivid jungle]

I don't think I have protect

Wait lemme look what I have

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-what-am-i-reading-what-am-i-looking-at-guy-looking-at-paper-jimmy-butler-looking-at-paper-gif-10656430272991200421

[vivid jungle]

Wait it is protect

[sudden remnant]

drop it for moonblast

[vivid jungle]

I'm dumb for buns sake

Yeah I probably will

Thing is my team wasnt as nearly as optimised as it now is when I was just starting out. I didn't even know what calyrex does and lost basically every match because I used my Tailwind into their trick room

[sudden remnant]

does ogerpon have follow me i imagine it would surely

[vivid jungle]

Yes it does

[sudden remnant]

wood hammer or horn leech

[vivid jungle]

Plus spike shield, wood hammer and the move that changes typing

[sudden remnant]

or power whip

[vivid jungle]

Hammer

[sudden remnant]

ivy cudgel 👨‍🦯

[vivid jungle]

I'm sorry I have my game on german 😭

[sudden remnant]

the signature move of ogerpon and smeargle

[vivid jungle]

So uhh.. is there something wrong with my team?

Don't say Sylveon

[sudden remnant]

it looks very wrong i just cant explain why

mirai zama is not supposed to look like that cough sylveon does nothing here

[vivid jungle]

It works though 😭
Well.. most of the time if I don't run into calyrex

[sudden remnant]

what are you running on mirai

[vivid jungle]

You underestimate the damage this creature can pump out

[vivid jungle]

Specs

[sudden remnant]

i know pixelate blah blah blah, but you’re trying to have it do 2 different things

[vivid jungle]

I understand

[sudden remnant]

be a csr wall (which according to you its failing at) and hit really hard, which it can probably do, but not both

[vivid jungle]

But I've noticed that it dies really quickly, so I tried giving it a little bit of survivability so it can do well

[sudden remnant]

so its NOT going to hit hard

my brother in christ 😭

[vivid jungle]

Since I run Throat spray on it it needs a setup turn

[vivid jungle]

It consistently oneshots

[sudden remnant]

uhhuh

[vivid jungle]

Meanie

[sudden remnant]

sure i totally believe you

[vivid jungle]

I'll send my spreadsheet when I'm home

[sudden remnant]

also you dont need sylveon for damage you have a fucking miraidon zamazenta bro 🫩

[vivid jungle]

Its a chonker

[sudden remnant]

and that mirai is specs

[vivid jungle]

As I said

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-meme-buzz-year-copy-meme-gif-4668439001950303425

[vivid jungle]

Let me do a little handicapping myself

[sudden remnant]

@foggy lodge am i wrong in anything im saying? 🫩

[vivid jungle]

Not like wolfe had worse teams and done better

I am NOT him btw

[sudden remnant]

well thats also cuz its wolfe glick one of the most decorated players of all time

[vivid jungle]

But just for comparison

[sudden remnant]

thats like comparing a needle to a sword

[vivid jungle]

I'm not a needle

I'm more like a rusty nail

Especially if you compare our experience

[foggy lodge]

About what

[sudden remnant]

the sylveon

[vivid jungle]

Tell them it works

Please

I need this

My mom is kinda homeless

[sudden remnant]

you must consider you have 3 other strong offensive mons

[foggy lodge]

I ain't reading allat

I think Sylveon is bad

[sudden remnant]

im not saying its bad it just has 0 place in this team

[foggy lodge]

But ig its not bad enough to say it's a shitmon if you really want to use it you can justify it

[stone trellis]

You want a bulky, strong and offensive Fairy type who deals with CSR? Use Flutter.

[vivid jungle]

YES

[foggy lodge]

Atleast its like bulkier than Flutter to justify it and kind of works in TR

[sudden remnant]

or umbreon if you insist on using a vee

[vivid jungle]

I know flutter is much better than it- so I tried building sylv like how you shouldnt build flutter

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-what-am-i-reading-what-am-i-looking-at-guy-looking-at-paper-jimmy-butler-looking-at-paper-gif-10656430272991200421

[stone trellis]

@sudden remnant You got time for a match or nah?

[sudden remnant]

why do you always ask me as im getting to work 🫩 like actually

[stone trellis]

I don't know, man.

It's 9:30 PM for me right now.

[vivid jungle]

Whenever I finish my team you'll see 😭

[sudden remnant]

sure 😑

[vivid jungle]

First regulation in Winds and Waves and I'll shine brighter than the stars

[sudden remnant]

first reg everyone gets a chance to shine

[vivid jungle]

And thats when I'll use my chance

[sudden remnant]

i hope we get a new eeveelution in gen 10

[vivid jungle]

No restricted mons means Sylveon is valid

[vivid jungle]

Dragon eevee when

[sudden remnant]

i hope its a pure steel with straight up chonk

110 hp 130 def and 95 SpD

[vivid jungle]

Fat

Man

[sudden remnant]

chonkyvee

[vivid jungle]

Okay I'm gonna go back to playing now- and I will make you see my results when I'm done

[molten oasis]

Alr time to try and cook Zac mirai again

[sudden remnant]

what im gonna do is make your exact same team using umbreon instead of sylveon

[molten oasis]

https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2551124329-vuqhn2fl92chsn6dxh3020m4b5tt2c4pw that game was crazy

[vivid jungle]

And then we'll compare

[stone trellis]

What's the most common Defense investment for Zamazenta?

236 Impish?

[molten oasis]

@shadow wind I finally cooked a core that kicks ass lmao

https://pokepast.es/8a70cbca387246f2

I was right about the fast vswitch being strong

Zac and valiant have been really good today too

[sudden remnant]

how many play roughs have you missed

[molten oasis]

Less than I’d expect

But they happen here and there, I’ve had to have formed a bond or smth cuz I used to miss them so much

[sudden remnant]

zacian locked in

on some nah id win shi

[molten oasis]

Fr lol

[shadow wind]

I love missing the team

Lowkey what I’m running right now though so I can’t say much

[sudden remnant]

how good would zamazenta be in trick room

[shadow wind]

Terrible

Guy has 128 speed

[sudden remnant]

booooo

[molten oasis]

Well it’s not a finished team but I have hearth and fari rn

[shadow wind]

Those 2 definitely make it more consistent

I just saw crash Draco and play rough and immediately thought “I’d miss a lot with this team”

Still my team is way worse for that right now so if it works it works

[dull ibex]

Hello comp chat

[sudden remnant]

hello

[molten oasis]

Yeah this sucks but also, for the most part zacian’s been clicking bblade lol

I haven’t had to rip play rough much

[shadow wind]

That’s good

I find you don’t really need to do that with Pao on the team just cause most of the meta is dragons anyway

What’s your tr game plan?

[molten oasis]

Lead Mirai Val

Draco the ogerpon or volt switch if it’s CIR or smth and click taunt on the tr setter since my valiant is cloak, no flinching

[shadow wind]

CIR Indeedee?

[stone trellis]

Doesn't Taunt on Valiant go before Draco anyway?

You can't Taunt the CIR if Ogerpon redirects that shit.

[shadow wind]

Cause there’s not a dang thing Miraidon can do about psychic seed Indeedee 😭

[molten oasis]

No

My speed tiers are different, it’s scarf Mirai

My Mirai creeps it by 1 so I can volt switch into a physical attacker and click coaching

[molten oasis]

Do people really play this?

That’s a Pao Zac lead lol

[shadow wind]

What do you mean do people play that??

[stone trellis]

Yes, degens do play that.

[shadow wind]

Of course they play that it’s really consistent

Degens 😭😭😭

[stone trellis]

CIR-Lunala players have no integrity.

[shadow wind]

Bro who plays CIR Miraidon

Why do we have to hate on what people play

Just play the game however you want and if you’re losing it’s a skill diff

[stone trellis]

I don't lose to hard TR most of the time, I just don't like it.

[molten oasis]

Who does like hard tr

[shadow wind]

I mean if my team can deal with it I don’t mind it

[sudden remnant]

if body press uses defense imstead of attavk how does body press still get reduced damage from burn

[shadow wind]

Because burn cuts the base power of physical moves in half

Not your attack stat

[molten oasis]

I wasn’t aware people were really playing deedee CIR

oh, wait I can do pao Val on lead and throat chop for a ko

Then taunt CIR

[shadow wind]

Yeah it comes down to if they Tera or not then

[molten oasis]

252+ Atk Sword of Ruin Chien-Pao Throat Chop vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Indeedee-F: 180-212 (101.6 - 119.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

[molten oasis]

But now you lose to zacian

[shadow wind]

Not if you had valiant and pao on the field

Anyway

All I’m saying is that some leads they’re going to get tr up no matter what

[sudden remnant]

chat i just discovered how absolutely fucking chonky umbreon is

it lives a body press from zamazenta without tera

[bold geode]

Ponies

[dull ibex]

I want a hyper offense team for reg i

[shadow wind]

Miraidon CSR Chi yu Whimsicott Landorus Firepon

[molten oasis]

You lose later to zacian

[shadow wind]

Potentially

[molten oasis]

Idk the point is the way I have to beat tr is to play through it or ko the protector and taunt the tr setter

[dull ibex]

is regulation J the mythical format?

[shadow wind]

Yes

[dull ibex]

gotcha

[shadow wind]

But J doesn’t exist anymore

[shadow wind]

Yeah I actually don’t see tr being too big of a problem

[dull ibex]

No I know

[shadow wind]

Torkoal might do some numbers but it’s chill

[molten oasis]

I have Fari

I got wide guard, taunt

Snarl

[dull ibex]

I wonder if I can do better then swordfish on cart

[molten oasis]

Follow me, I have tools

[shadow wind]

I just said it seems like you do fine into tr 😭

I know you got the tools

[dull ibex]

anyone wanna do a practice set on cart

im okay with F or I

[molten oasis]

Nah bro gotta list them out so when I get into a game against CIR I’ll lose anyway

[shadow wind]

That’s so real

How I be with my Lando mu

All I have in my notes for that is “ice punch hands”

Nah who am I kidding, notes? Gotta be crazy if you have notes for showdown ladder teams

[foggy lodge]

Conner I saw your team

[molten oasis]

Fr

[sudden remnant]

rate the team

[shadow wind]

Yeah I’m pretty hyped about getting on there

I’m now 2/2 on submissions getting featured

[sudden remnant]

gang my mcdonalds has been delayed by 20 minutes and my dasher is just chilling at the mcdonalds 🙁

[dull ibex]

So I found a new six

[shadow wind]

Sick

F or I?

[dull ibex]

my spreads are bulkier then the ones listed but im going to try it before changing my spreads

[dull ibex]

I

[shadow wind]

What's the team look like

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/aeb9c91319feda29 this six

with vastly different spreads

the chiyu and ursh are bulky on me for one

I dont have psychic noise on farig im pure support

and my teras might be different

[sudden remnant]

@bold geode its not funny bro i havent eaten yet today

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/6aee9958702f7746

here's the in game version

don't ask what anything is calc'd for I don't remember

[bold geode]

(Eat)

[sudden remnant]

im working on it 🫩

my mcdonalds is fuckin cold so i gotta heat it up myself

im gonna go nuke a mcdonalds

how dare they give me cold nuggets

[shadow wind]

Why is finding a 6th mon on a team the hardest thing known to man

https://pokepast.es/95d2da46bbd86997 @molten oasis

Need a sixth

[bold geode]

Bro delayed 20 minutes and it's cold
That shit was definitely ready

[dull ibex]

incin

[sudden remnant]

it was he sent me the picture that he had my order and everything

made my already bad day infinitely worse

[shadow wind]

And have 4 ground weaks? I'll pass

[molten oasis]

Hm

[shadow wind]

Although my lando mu seems fine

[molten oasis]

I feel like incin could make your life hard

Hm

[shadow wind]

Well yeah

That's how Zacian teams be

[molten oasis]

Wake? Lando?

[shadow wind]

Wake could fit

[molten oasis]

I liked wake when trying sun with zacian

[shadow wind]

I don't have anyone that naturally outspeeds CSR

[sudden remnant]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVb9bMtkmFC/?igsh=Y3E0MDYzaDNpYWNn
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same team as last vid sorry gang #pokemon #nintendo #nintendoswitch #pokemoncommunity #pokemonscarletandviolet #foryou #pokemonfan

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[molten oasis]

I think CSR is rough for you as well so, maybe the av snarl wake set?

Ah but bolt

[shadow wind]

I could go goggles on bolt

I'm not locked in on av

[molten oasis]

True

[shadow wind]

First draft anyway

Quite worried for my Amoonguss situation too

Doesn't av wake usually run tera water?

[bold geode]

Wtf did he do, did he just go take a shit or something

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/dc3fb9d8514d24f8

Seems funny

[sudden remnant]

idk beo was chilling at the mcdonalds for at least 20 minutes after already confirming he had my order

[lofty tartan]

Probably had other orders. But that's also the price you pay when you pay a service that absolutely shafts its employees to deliver food that you're not gonna go get yourself

[molten oasis]

Yea

[molten oasis]

Looks fine

I dunno about Tera water on zacian but it should be whatever

[shadow wind]

Scared for my Kyogre mu

[molten oasis]

Fair enough

[shadow wind]

Also I am setting up the sun

[bold geode]

Real

[sudden remnant]

he didnt have any other orders doordash tells you

[shadow wind]

Well technically I can say I got top 40 on ladder with Groudon Zacian

But it feels a bit scummy to just have my account be that high then lose win win and claim it

Team definitely works though

AV wake seems awesome

And I even beat a CIR Kyogre Lando Incin team which is like bottom 1 mu for any Groudon team ever made

[lofty tartan]

I know. I use doordash too. But that's also just kinda what happens when you use doordash and other services.

Honestly even when I go get my food myself, it's often pretty chilly by the time I get it home.

[shadow wind]

You gotta be eating those mcdonalds fries when they hand them to you

@molten oasis I need your ethical mind here

[lofty tartan]

Yeah man McDonald's fries take no time at all to cool down and it sucks

[sudden remnant]

im at work if icoulda gone and got the food myself i would have

[shadow wind]

I shouldn't submit this team claiming I hit top 40 on ladder with it right?

For totw that is

[lofty tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

[molten oasis]

Okay?

[shadow wind]

I'll wait a little bit and see if I hit any higher peaks with it I guess

[shadow wind]

Well what do you think

[lofty tartan]

I'm just the Devil's advocate here

[molten oasis]

If you should say you hit top 40 with zacian groudon?

[shadow wind]

I mean I did technically hit that peak but it feels half done

[shadow wind]

For totw yeah

Cause when you submit there's a box for "achievements" or something similar at least

[sudden remnant]

🙁

[lofty tartan]

Well I mean if you hit top 40 you hit top 40, even if for a moment

[shadow wind]

So true

[molten oasis]

True

[lofty tartan]

And overall rating means nothing at the end of the month so I say just capitalize on it while it matters to someone

[molten oasis]

If you hit it with the team, even from 1 game I’d say just go for it personally

[lofty tartan]

Yeah

[shadow wind]

I mean I still have until like sunday to submit it still so I'll keep that top 40 bookmarked but I'll go for higher

[lofty tartan]

DO IT, MAYUN. No regerts.

[molten oasis]

Still put that work in with a groudon lol

[shadow wind]

True

[molten oasis]

Groudons not easy to run in reg I

[shadow wind]

There's a shocking amount of Groudons in the totw submissions

But yeah I'll keep the top 40 in mind if I don't get higher but I'll shoot for higher probably tomorrow or something

[sudden remnant]

what level does meowth evolve? is it 22?

[shadow wind]

28

[sudden remnant]

im stuck with this useless cat until 28?

[shadow wind]

Yes

[sudden remnant]

its pickup ability isnt even giving me what i want

[shadow wind]

That's how pokemon games work

Bro would've died in gen 5

[sudden remnant]

i played gen 5 thank you very much

fr tho can its pickup ability just give me the 1 item i want

[shadow wind]

I just realized they named my team "Groudon Sun with Scarf Miraidon"

[shadow wind]

What else does Groudon do but sun

[sudden remnant]

i fw gen 5 heavy BW is one of my favorite games

[molten oasis]

Man you want a hydreigon? Funny

Overlevel to get a hydreigon

[shadow wind]

Real

But to be fair he's the goat

And then they exploded him

[sudden remnant]

my bw team was serperior zebstrika haxorus leavanny liepard and i forget what the 6th was

OH it was cincinno

[sudden remnant]

meowth can do something for me hm slave

its pickup ability wont give me hidden power tms

sighhhhh

[molten oasis]

Damn fairy types

[sudden remnant]

dragon needed to be nerfed

but in turn they made a new completely busted type instead

[molten oasis]

They make fairy far and few between but fairies are so strong lol

[sudden remnant]

fuckass gen 3 confusion mechanics

[limpid jewel]

Hmmm

I'm thinking about Mega Zygarde

[sudden remnant]

what about it

[limpid jewel]

What set could make it good

My immediate thought

Super fang

[foggy lodge]

Its not worth it

[limpid jewel]

Doesn't 100% form have 216 HP?

[foggy lodge]

If you need to self target your mon with another one and basically wasting your turn only to get some mid damage boost that won't matter until next turn

[shadow wind]

All I'm seeing is CIR fodder 😔

Actually Groudon is just that too

[sudden remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/latias-pokemon-yapping-latias-yap-latias-talking-gif-4234236834654813686

the latias of truth and agreement

[molten oasis]

Idt zyagrde is gonna be good

It might be fine but idk if it’ll be anything great

Too many conditions for it to get to where it needs to be

[sudden remnant]

as connor said…. ice rider fodder

[shadow wind]

Connor 😔

[sudden remnant]

i spelt it wrong im sorry

me and my coworker were yapping to one of our customers

[shadow wind]

Nah it might've even been auto correct

[sudden remnant]

and im fighting lt surge

i get shockwave from this fight right???

his raichu is evil

para evasion bs

STOP CLICKING DOUBLE TEAM

HAH FUCK YOU GET BURNED

and charmeleon leveled up hell yeah

[molten oasis]

Chien Pao fodder too

[sudden remnant]

yesss i have shockwave now i dont need to use thundershock anymore

[molten oasis]

Go go gadget icicle crash lol

[sudden remnant]

go go gadget ice shard 💀

[shadow wind]

1622

Team honestly cooks

Drago you should give it a try

[sudden remnant]

my pikachu has shockwave

[shadow wind]

My GXE has only gone up from using it too

[sudden remnant]

wheres the guy that rejuvenates fossils

[shadow wind]

To be fair I just farmed a guy for like 3 battles but regardless

[shadow wind]

Aren't they in Pallet town or the route down in that game?

[sudden remnant]

please no i dont wanna go all the way back

i need to go get the bike

[shadow wind]

Man if I end up submitting this team I'll have to write another paragraph about a team I saw in a dream

[sudden remnant]

lmao

me trying to use umbreon

it actually eats hits incredibly well

[molten oasis]

I’m realizing how like

Mid the defenses are for a restricted on zyagrde lol

[sudden remnant]

lives zama body press 100% of the time 💀

[molten oasis]

91 and 85

[shadow wind]

Well what form

[sudden remnant]

you spelt “trash” wrong

[molten oasis]

The mega has 91 and 85 for defense and special defense

[shadow wind]

Cause like Rayquaza has 105/90/90

Which is god awful for a restricted

[molten oasis]

It has worse spD than Rayquaza LMAO

[shadow wind]

100/80/100

[shadow wind]

It's not that insane either

[sudden remnant]

108/121/95

for the 50% form

[shadow wind]

I think power creep has inflated defense numbers too much

CIR and Terapagos really set the bar way too high

I honestly do think the bikes are very well designed

[sudden remnant]

you mean the devil and his right hand man

[shadow wind]

They are extremely strong but all 3 types have immunities

And with tera being the gimmick it's totally fine

They're potentially too fast but gen 9 has 5 competitively viable mon at 135-6 so I think it's still fine

Now if they had real Proto and Quark it would be gg pokemon is dead

[sudden remnant]

its insane how bulky cir is to still have 160 attack 🫩

[shadow wind]

CIR and CSR are extremely unhealthy for the game

Especially with tera

[sudden remnant]

csr is trash

[shadow wind]

I don't think mons like that should ever exist

Thank the lords CIR is still 50 speed

[sudden remnant]

youve never seen my tailwind cir team

you aint never seen a glacial lance that fast

[shadow wind]

Actually I have

I remember a chinese player on showdown used an AV CIR team with Gouging and tw

But this was long ago

[sudden remnant]

i used just cir whim and just nuked shit immediately

turn 1 tailwind glacial

it was beautiful

[shadow wind]

I was never one for extreme gimmicks

Most if not all of my teams are geared to ots

[sudden remnant]

me personally i just do bo1 shenanigans

[shadow wind]

Ice punch hands is like the worst offender

But even then I'd take that to ots games just to force a tera on Lando

[sudden remnant]

I HATE GEN 3 CONFUSION

[shadow wind]

Cause if they go water Miraidon smokes him and steel Groudon smokes him

[shadow wind]

I don't even know what gen 3 confusion odds are

3/4 if I had to guess

[sudden remnant]

50/50

[shadow wind]

Oh so it's the same as gen 9

[sudden remnant]

it feels so much more painful in this game

[shadow wind]

I dislike confusion as a whole

Luck based stuff annoys me but it's in the game so whatever

Wouldn't play mons if I couldn't handle it

[molten oasis]

Tera brings them over the top

[shadow wind]

Yeah but that's true for almost any restricted

I do genuinely think they're healthy for the game

[molten oasis]

cough cough zacian cough cough

[shadow wind]

Zacian and Groudon get shafted because their typings are already good defensively

Zacian moreso but Groudon 100% is worse in tera formats

[molten oasis]

I can’t wait to get to FREELY BBLADE CIR

[sudden remnant]

it also didnt help this guy had my nidoqueen confused AND paralyzed

so that was very irritating

[shadow wind]

Ground type paralyzed 😔

[sudden remnant]

glare

[shadow wind]

That stun spore was hitting

[sudden remnant]

no it was glare

[shadow wind]

Oh or glare

[molten oasis]

CIR goes from a lost into zacian to a win literally because of Tera it’s stupid

[shadow wind]

Yes !

Which is why you pair it with Groudon

[molten oasis]

Or kyogre

[shadow wind]

Nah that loses to tera grass

Groudon sets up the glorious sun

[molten oasis]

Fair ig but it’s still stupid

[shadow wind]

Oh yes 100%

[molten oasis]

Zac on paper can shred through a lot of this format

And then there’s incin and Tera that makes it way harder

[shadow wind]

Yeah I actually really like Zacian in this format

The team I made in 3 minutes tries to push Zacians usage as much as possible

I love spending as little time as possible in the builder

Less contemplating = More winning

People that don't put their restricteds in slot 1 and 2 are monsters

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[molten oasis]

That’s why I use it it’s typing is just, solid

HOWEVER Tera is hella annoying

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/a001f173b1324e2c

[molten oasis]

Tera hurts zacian imo

[shadow wind]

You gotta be some kinda evil to put your mons like this

[shadow wind]

One of the teams of the week

Also I don't think there's ever been a Zacian totw

I'm checking right now

I was going to say Maya probably submitted hers but then I remembered that she didn't even make that team and she submitted her CSR one instead

Never mind there was one in Reg G

https://pokepast.es/327490465647edde

[sudden remnant]

gang im done with this game im just gonna go play emerald 🫩

[shadow wind]

Holy I just capped there's like 3 Zacian submissions

Guess I won't be special with this team 😔

[sudden remnant]

can i trade between an emerald rom and this frlg rom

i wonder

[shadow wind]

I think roms don't connect to internet because you'd be able to "gen" mons which is a big no no

[molten oasis]

THATS the zacian thing from reg g? Eww

[sudden remnant]

im gonna try it and see

[molten oasis]

Putting my dog next to that stupid fucking fish

[shadow wind]

There's like 3 Zacian teams on the totw thing all the ones in G have Ting Dozo

[shadow wind]

Yeah

And then obviously there's swordfish on there

And then a Zacian Miraidon one as well

[sudden remnant]

ig im not gonna try it i wouldnt have what im trying to get anyways

[shadow wind]

I'll try to get the Groudon Zacian one on there though

[sudden remnant]

i genuinely just want tm hidden power 🫩

[shadow wind]

Just to show Groudon got sauce with guys other than Miraidon

[sudden remnant]

a shame zac is crippled without the rusted sword

zacian would very much like a clear amulet

[shadow wind]

Or just gen 8 intrepid sword

[sudden remnant]

true 🫩

but do we really want prime von back

[shadow wind]

I wonder if they'll bring back gen 8 protean/libero in gen 10 because tera will be gone

[sudden remnant]

x to doubt

[molten oasis]

Show that one I’m curious

[shadow wind]

https://pokepast.es/f76de52d304a98a6

I don't understand it

[sudden remnant]

i mean the frlg port is basically an official rom so like

[shadow wind]

Nope

Definitely not

[sudden remnant]

all they did was port the software and add the lugia hooh and deoxys events and potentially home compatibility

theres been discussion that the home feature isnt shown in the purchase menu for the game and shi 🫩

like they couldnt make gen 3 more obtainable

[shadow wind]

I mean they did a remake of it

[sudden remnant]

cant get any gen 3 mons, cant get hidden power directly, what the fuck 😭

[sudden remnant]

they didnt remake anything though 🫩

[shadow wind]

ORAS?

[sudden remnant]

its 1 to 1

thats not frlg which is what im complaining about

and thats not till like 10 years later

[shadow wind]

Ok well you said gen 3 so I was assuming Hoenn

[sudden remnant]

i want hoenn mons in frlg and the ONLY way to get them is transferring from RSE and XD

[molten oasis]

Oh this sucks LMAO

[sudden remnant]

thats also the only way to get items like the light ball, tms like hidden power, and more

[shadow wind]

That's what I'm sayin

But it got team of the week

[sudden remnant]

if im playing an old game and it doesnt give me hidden power what am i playing it for 🙁

[shadow wind]

Drago have you ever submitted to totw?

[sudden remnant]

🫩

[forest arrow]

Funnily enough that was first thing my Meowth picked up

you’ll get one, gl

[sudden remnant]

LUCKY 😭

[forest arrow]

Just catch 5 Meowth and battle stuff

[sudden remnant]

ive had this stupid meowth for a long time already and no hidden power tm

[sudden remnant]

uhhh lemme overlevel my charmeleon a bit more first

that also means i gotta go back to route 5

and after fighting Surge i go through rock tunnel right?

[forest arrow]

Yes

[molten oasis]

I don’t even know what that is

[sudden remnant]

i aint play gen 1 games in a hot minute icl 🫩

[molten oasis]

Zacian’s just there man

[shadow wind]

https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-teams-of-the-week-accepting-regulation-f-and-i.3727451/

[molten oasis]

Like what does zacian accomplish there lmao

[sudden remnant]

being a good doggo

[forest arrow]

You can get flash from Oaks Aide in a building close to Digletts Cave on the other side that’s not by Vermillion

helpful for rock tunnel^

[shadow wind]

Top 30

We take these

Now I feel better submitting this team

[sudden remnant]

whens the earliest i can get a vulpix

[dull ibex]

this team feels okay despite the suboptimal spreads

[forest arrow]

After rock tunnel

[sudden remnant]

😀

[shadow wind]

Optimal spread, shmoptimal spreads

Who cares if spreads look pretty

Genuinely if you have a good team and max max min spreads it should still work well

[molten oasis]

Wait top 30 is 1600’s?

[shadow wind]

Yeah

Like I said Reg I is pretty fake right now

But the 1400 wall is definitely real

Because no team has no bad mus and people make stupid decisions

And the odds of you getting every single 50/50 right is inhuman

[molten oasis]

Ez lmao

[shadow wind]

Alright go for it then

[dull ibex]

alright its thats team again

time to build with my favorite

[shadow wind]

I just went against a specs Eternatus I'm realizing

[molten oasis]

Well, I’ll get there eventually

I play miraidon I’m gonna get hit by Tera ground Tera blast

[shadow wind]

Bro ohko'd my av wake then did 75 to Groudon

I was so scared it was meteor beam

[shadow wind]

That's what I always do

[dull ibex]

my favorite isnt viable

to be comepletely honest

[shadow wind]

Mine thankfully is

Well some would argue against it

[dull ibex]

who is your favorite pokemon

[sudden remnant]

mawile, ninetales (kanto), absol, reshiram, zebstrika

im so gen 3 coded and it shows 🫩

[shadow wind]

Groudon

[dull ibex]

samurott

is mine

[shadow wind]

Samurott is at least really really good in singles

[dull ibex]

I do not play singles

[shadow wind]

Well I'm just saying

[dull ibex]

yeah

[molten oasis]

Zacian A9 Pult

[dull ibex]

what playing comp does to a person

pult is my second favorite

[shadow wind]

I think my second favourite is like gastrodon

[sudden remnant]

hisuian samurott is a good offensive support

[molten oasis]

Dragapults so cool

[shadow wind]

found this in the archives

[sudden remnant]

if we’re talking comp mons then koraidon

[dull ibex]

oh if we are talking comp mons now

uh probably primal groudon

[sudden remnant]

and walking wake I LOVE WALKING WAKE

[dull ibex]

primal g and incin

[shadow wind]

It's funny all my successes in Reg I this time around have been with wake

And 2 different wake sets

[dull ibex]

what do you guys think of my team?

[sudden remnant]

and raichu raichu is so good 🥺

[dull ibex]

https://pokepast.es/21912b3153410c53

[sudden remnant]

tera fairy assault vest lightning rod 🗣️🗣️🗣️

and alluring voice

[shadow wind]

Serious whims 😔

Whims is so not serious too

[dull ibex]

oops

[shadow wind]

I don't understand the specs tera fairy Miraidon with Zacian

[dull ibex]

its hyper offense

and zacian is good into mirai mirror

[shadow wind]

I just mean the Tera fairy dgleam part

[molten oasis]

What’s that site called?

Kinda wanna do that rn

[shadow wind]

Lowkey not a clue

[molten oasis]

Damn

[shadow wind]

Just went back and searched for images

Oh god

[molten oasis]

Scarf Mirai>specs Mirai for the dogs

[shadow wind]

https://pk-diagram.pages.dev

[molten oasis]

It gives you a better CSR Zama MU

[dull ibex]

scarf is too busy being on my chi yu

[molten oasis]

Chi Yu not pao?

[dull ibex]

nope not pao

[molten oasis]

Ground types look really good into you

[dull ibex]

urshifu

[molten oasis]

Except for shifu

[dull ibex]

its okay to have a bit of weakness overlap

[shadow wind]

Team just looks like it's missing a piece

[molten oasis]

Eh I prefer enabling the weaker restricted than the stronger one

[dull ibex]

this is a hyper offense team

[shadow wind]

Like a hands or something

[dull ibex]

too late to change it now tbh

Already built a rental on cart lmaoooo

[molten oasis]

Bruh lmao

[dull ibex]

plus I want to commit to a six already

[shadow wind]

I mean you asked us what we thought and we told you what we thought

[dull ibex]

if i kept switching thats less time learning the matchups

[shadow wind]

Also why cart?

[dull ibex]

thats fine

[dull ibex]

Cart is my preffered place until showdown

champions

I meant champions not showdown

[shadow wind]

Fair enough I guess

I don't know the last time I even made a team on cart

It was probably a Reg G team

Don't think I ever fully made an I team

I even traded for a Miraidon specifically for that purpose but never got around to it

[molten oasis]

Nooo that favorite types thing is shut down

[shadow wind]

Oh rip

Drago would I be able to get you to try out the Groudon Zac team?

[molten oasis]

What’s the paste?

[shadow wind]

I'll grab it 2 seconds

https://pokepast.es/c56f81030996d9af

Cloak Volc is a W

Love me a lead cloak mon to screw over incin

Drago if you end up playing any games could you give any feedback that you have?

[molten oasis]

Hm, yeah I’ll send you feedback

[shadow wind]

Sick

Amoonguss is probably the biggest op

But honestly the team doesn't have any instalose mus I think

Why can't I play against these teams

[molten oasis]

Lmao

[shadow wind]

Alright well I filled out the submission for totw but I won't submit it yet just cause I might change something or hit a higher peak

My gxe tanked so hard recently though wow

I think I dipped down to 74 at my lowest yesterday

Which for me is still actually incredibly good

Oh I gotta wait for decay to happen so then I gain like 1 spot

[foggy lodge]

Conner you are our biggest ladder warrior

[shadow wind]

I do my best

I just really enjoy vgc

And I've met so many cool people through the ladder

[foggy lodge]

True I like ladder too

[shadow wind]

I think I've gotten like 5 peoples discords from ladder alone

Like when I got invited to a teambuilding discord through the ladder

Lowkey felt like the biggest side quest of my life

[foggy lodge]

Meeting people through VGC is a side quest

[shadow wind]

And then I somehow ended up in a server with Paul Chua

[foggy lodge]

lmao

[shadow wind]

So W side quest

[foggy lodge]

Its like the lego games side quests

[shadow wind]

Real

[foggy lodge]

Now you unlocked paul chua as a playable charactee

[shadow wind]

I mean technically I could ping the guy at any time but I can't imagine he'd enjoy that

Ashton Cox is also in that server so that's neat

I think that might be it for known players

[molten oasis]

I gotta lock in

[shadow wind]

Oh Suave is in there

[foggy lodge]

I've known some players from chile

[shadow wind]

Most random assortment of people in there

[foggy lodge]

In person

[shadow wind]

That's sick

[foggy lodge]

Who is that

[shadow wind]

The youtuber with Pokeaim and Blunder

[foggy lodge]

Ohhh its the singles guy

[shadow wind]

Yeah

[foggy lodge]

Lowkey i should play singles

But im not feeling like playing sv as a whole lol

[shadow wind]

I mean it's not like these guys are extremely active in the server but it's still funny that they're there

[shadow wind]

Agreed twin

I could also use a little more locking in in my life

[forest arrow]

I did it, here’s my favorites

[shadow wind]

W Centiskorch

Man bug types are awesome

[forest arrow]

I almost put Scolipede

But damn I forgot how badass Centiskorch is

[shadow wind]

Fire/bug = dope mon

Oh heck no

[forest arrow]

Dear God

[shadow wind]

I wonder why I've never seen a Smeargle Muk player above 1500

W heat crash !

Man I love Groudon

[foggy lodge]

Man I love reg G

Reg Groudon

[shadow wind]

Reg Groudon

[molten oasis]

https://pk-diagram.pages.dev/ we can now do favorites by type

[shadow wind]

Yeah I did that before

[shadow wind]

^

[rustic mountain]

very unbased

[shadow wind]

Wait a minute

I know the guy that posted that

[rustic mountain]

yea hes an sd ladder warrior

[shadow wind]

I added him on discord like yesterday

[forest arrow]

Throw us a curveball TPCi

Reg A no Tera

[shadow wind]

Tree I need your opinion on a team

[rustic mountain]

ok

[shadow wind]

I made it today so it's not like perfected or anything

https://pokepast.es/d9bf451e07fcd6c3

[rustic mountain]

a good format? as if

[forest arrow]

True they hate us

I had fun in H rerun but man I’m tired of F

[rustic mountain]

idk how i feel about double dragon on this team but doesnt seem like the worst, better question is how does it play

[shadow wind]

Went 6-2 with it on high ladder so decent but it's a very small sample size

[rustic mountain]

im so off vgc rn lmao

i do wanna hit mball in cart for the last season but otherwise its just champions waiting game

[forest arrow]

Me too, ive just been shiny hunting and playing leaf green

[shadow wind]

Zacian is actually very good into the CIR mu

[rustic mountain]

ur kyogre mu seems better

[forest arrow]

just waiting for April

Birthday month too, so a sweet treat if everyone goes right

[rustic mountain]

i hope it does

[forest arrow]

I know my hopes aren’t up

[shadow wind]

Somehow every mu seems better

[forest arrow]

But I hope so too

[shadow wind]

Maybe not the CSR Zama one though

But honestly it's not bad

[rustic mountain]

volc/pao is nice for it imo

[shadow wind]

Extremely

And Groudon + Pao means Incin gets ohko'd if I hit

[rustic mountain]

yep

[shadow wind]

Big "if I hit" there

[rustic mountain]

main thing id say

bulk up doesnt seem great on this team comp

[shadow wind]

No not really

Hhp would probably be better

[foggy lodge]

Stomping,,,

[rustic mountain]

yeh or stomping

[shadow wind]

I hate stomping it doesn't even work

[rustic mountain]

i just dont see bulk up being feasible to get off in most scenarios

[shadow wind]

Could even go for a hh for wake or volc

[rustic mountain]

idk if u want ur restricted to b relegated to hh

[shadow wind]

Groudon moment 😔

The thing about bulk up is that it helps so much into bulkier teams

[foggy lodge]

Groudon is so kind he lets his teammates use his sun

He lets Jumpluff activate its chlorophyll

[shadow wind]

Especially Koraidon comps

But I see where you're coming from and I do think it can be awkward

[rustic mountain]

it creates bad habits imo, like oh lemme use this turn for my restricted to assist my non restricted in attacking

it should be the inverse generally

[shadow wind]

Oh I mean the bulk up

[rustic mountain]

oh lol

[shadow wind]

HH was funny in some Miraidon comps and making specs flutter ohko resisted hits in G but in Reg I it's pretty bad

[rustic mountain]

i think it worked somewhat in other team comps uve had, just not this one

bulk up that is

[shadow wind]

Yeah

This team is definitely faster

[foggy lodge]

I think it was better on your other tesm cuz you had a follow me firepon and a fake out user

[rustic mountain]

yep

more enablers that create opportunity

[foggy lodge]

Meanwhile this team is like one of those teams that just want to play forward with pao zacian

[shadow wind]

Well I mean the fake out user almost never helped Groudon set up bulk up

[rustic mountain]

it in theory couldve tho

[shadow wind]

In theory yeah

I could go wisp on Groudon

Wait actually that might cook

Another move to miss for sure but against CIR it could be great

[foggy lodge]

I remember some japanese players were doing that with Groudon

[shadow wind]

Well it makes sense

Against physical attackers you either burn them or they tera fire and now pblades hits very hard

[foggy lodge]

You are starting to have the same reasoning as japanese players conner

Your teambuilding skills are improving

[shadow wind]

Maybe I am Japan

[rustic mountain]

[foggy lodge]

But yeah you can also burn Zama

Which is a problem for the team I think

[shadow wind]

I mean Volc

But yeah a burn would make it more consistent for sure

[foggy lodge]

Goatedrona

Its so good into zama pao