#competitive_discussion
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lowkey I would like to help with #competitive_news if possible
To share team reports and pastes that people drop
wonder how many ppl will join the channel regularly when champions comes out
That would be cool, though we will have to post them whenever team reports are shared
i’m not sure what the level of hype for champions is outside the vgc community actually lol
the casuals are gonna be drawn in I imagine. since its free and mobile
The rest of the community only sees it as a spin off
Right now the stuff you see is automatic, if there's any team reports shared via Twitter, YT or other sources plz share so they can be posted there by someone
Atleast that's what I've seen from interactinf with the rest of the community that is not into comp
But they are also hyped just not as much as us lol
It's definitely more competitive driven but I feel like you're gonna have at least a small mass of casual gamers coming in at least on launch date
Tera fire Gouging goat might be my goat
u actually took that suggestion?
Well I think the original suggestion was for CSR with Gouging fire but I'm using it on a Groudon Mirai team
Also my Volc just missed 3 overheats in a row
Thank you Volcarona
Not like I needed you to kill the cir or anything
they were both seperate suggestions but glad 1s working
Guys I'm sorry I prayed for this 😔
is this in ladder as well
or is that getting changed again too
is champions really gna b 1st format at worlds

parody account 
LMAO
We failed reading again
i skimmed the acc name haha 
Bro
Cybertron shares it on twitter I almost died
I already sent it on
Not even the parody, it says 2025 
wtf
LMAOOO
Tree you failed to read the date my guy
Working might be an overstatement
yooooooooo
good start to our official competitive pokemon category channels!
Who reads
that hilarious
Even with a new start
We are not beating the literacy allegations

also btw

If we don't switch to champions after reg F
They are probably showing the next format on the present

Cuz like they show it always a month before the current one ends so why wait one day to show the next format
nah they dont care
Can't wait for the presents to tell us we're going back to Reg D
so no more valentines coloring for usernames? 🙁
nope
nooooooooooooo
A cute idiot
now im blue 🙁
noU
Honestly @foggy lodge would you rather go back to Reg I or Reg D
I think I'm picking I deadass
Champions
how far weve fallen
Looking back on it, Regulation D was a fucking shitshow
Not sold on Gouging as last but I couldn't think of a better sun abuser
Maybe Ogerpon
Poorly timed
Meta developed way too fast
The meta shift was too crazy
Arubega + Groudon
I just want to try specs Miraidon and Farig Whims are perfect for it
And the thing is Will O Wisp beat 80% of the fucking format at least and nobody used it 
When Brambleghast was viable
It was not viable LMAO
it had fringe success
It went from being a dogshit gimmick to an alright gimmick
It top 16'd worlds
Ho Oh MU fished its way to the same spot, I don't wanna hear it
at worlds?
Yeah
2025 Worlds
haha i forgot that happened
Ho Oh was in top 16 
They literally just abused the fact that 85% of the field was gonna bring Zama CSR just like all the Sun players did and it worked
then good for them they made the right call, i think sure ho oh and bramble arent great mons but if some1 can make a call and use em well enough they clearly can convert they cant b that bad
vgc nbacentel 😭
Okay gang
We should do our formats tier lists
Reg I is decent
i think we can all agree reg j is bottom tier
Also G being peak is an awful take
i just noticed the competitive chat was moved
People hated Reg G 😭
y'all get your own category and channels now
competitive resources is a much appreciated channel addition
been long overdue imho 
honestly we shoulda had our own channel anyways
no more quoting the pinned message lmao
hm?
also idk if it’s as fitting as the other resources since it’s a bit more advanced but pasrs is an amazing resource when you learn to use it correctly
Yeah but its a bit more advanced I think
is reg g in there twice for the rerun or an oversight
So deadass
Ranked ladder wise, J and I should be next to each other cuz they were basically the same ladder minus the rare mythical
Rerun but I think that reruns of formats don't really change stuff
or is it so good it deserves to be there twice
I think D was the worst format low-key
But its also so good i needed to make clear its the best one
Actually nah E cuz it was basically D 2.0 and D at least gave us the funny Leaf Storm Amoonguss
i dont think i’ve heard anyone talk about reg e
It was basically Reg D + Ogerpon
It did add Bloodmoon Ursaluna but that Pokemon never took off til Reg F
s tier: series 1, series 2, reg c
a tier: reg h, reg f 1
b tier: reg g 1
c tier: reg e, reg d, reg h 2, reg i
d tier: reg f 2
f tier: reg g 2
Almost all the mons it added didn't pop off until later regs
Sinistcha and Alolan Ninetales until like reg H, Blursa and Okidogi until reg F, Clefairy in G
Reruns being all low lol
they were all bad
i havent played an s tier format this gen
id rather 6 months of the format straight thru then 3 months on and then like a year + off b4 coming back
best i’d give would be an A to reg h 1
eh they r just my s tiers
I didn't play any A tier formats
i started in reg g so i missed what ppl tend to regard as the best formats this reg 😭
From what I've seen most people think non ursh formats are the best ones lol
regional dex formats just hit different
Urshifu you are gonna fucking die in champions
reg g was decently fun for me both times but the mu roulette got tough to enjoy eventually
i have reg g 1 as b tier i didnt hate it
dexit ursh
wasnt until it came back that i really started disliking it
I think my main difference was that most formats I played just because I just like VGC meanwhile reg G I played because its still VGC but also because the format was just fun
reg i was probably b tier for me
i feel like if i started reg g 1 the month it dropped the rerun would’ve been way less enjoyable
the rerun was the first time i played the format with a better understanding of the gen
right
if it was 6 months straight on any of the rerun formats i might think of em differently, goin 3 on, year + off then 3 month on again sucks tho
p sure reg g turnaround was a lot shorter then that, point still stands
It was actually 4 months each one
Reruns are one of the wors things ever we started doing series and regulations for "short" periods for a reason, 1 whole year of only one format was terrible back then
Why are we doing a total of 8 months for formats
i wish they’d just make them longer
every format post indigo dish has had a rerun one way or another
joining them into a longer format would make for better development imo
Reg I rerun is happening and we can't stop it man
it technically happened on cart
Actually yes reg I rerun is not happening because that would force them to match the ingame ladder to irl tournaments and they hate doing nice stuff for us
what’s a realistic champions release date
there’s no way it drops after naic right they don’t hate us that much
shadow drop tomorrow
I think
April
I think the whole asian circuit will be played on champions
can you tell how bored i am given im speculating about a release date we’re probably getting a day and a half from now
And that hasn't started + the global challenge being "delayed" and replaced with a grand challenge tells me they are stalling for the champions release
What a fall, tho the reruns were all bad
Look one day champions will release and we will laugh when we think about our wrong speculations
i was really hyped to try reg f out for the first time
maybe that’s what ruined it for me idk
I think I went with more realistic expectations
😭
If his team fries me then why did I win? Doesn't that mean he's terrible?
Showdown got me pondering
how do you find these people
Yknow I'm not sure
Just lucky like that I guess
I mean it's always funny
Man I'm nasty
Thank you Groudon for waking up
I hate it when the smeargle isn't sash
Throws off my whole game plan
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I think that if you are using Sneasler you don't need scarf Mirai
Nah but then I can move faster than so much
Faster than the horse
Hmm
I might need to take a break
Kinda getting screwed by luck out of my control today
Lost to 2 double protects and now a crit
But it isn't something to tilt over
Means I need to make a more consistent team
End games before I can get out lucked
gligar and fuecoco are goated picks
Regieleki and Cyndaquil are so based
Cyndaquil lowkey a sleeper pick
Y'all don't want to see me make a team
I just witnessed a tera electric Kyogre
This is why we tera grass
where is that
oh ew
Yeah that’s what I said lol
id go
treecko, umbreon, dragonite, entei, lapras, spectrier
Based
Groudon, Groudon, Groudon, Groudon, Groudon, Groudon
Why does water spout exist
Like lowkey asking the real questions
150 bp spread move that gets boosted by weather
Eruption as well
get ready for champions tomorrow

Alright I have found the plan for my next team
Stopping lead Rillaboom u turn into Incin
Man I hate that
Why did they feel the need to give bro 120 spatk
Gouging fire solved my terapagos mu
Man this guy is the goat
Although tera fire might be better cause then I pin choice Mirai
This is exactly what Gamefreak was thinking when they made these mons
I have d1 haters apparently
The answer to that was cloak Gouging fire

Jeez people really love just clicking the electric move into Farig
So real
Dang 1600 is still top 50
Maybe I gotta be happy with my performances
i was like
y cant u beat it then. he was like stop fake out cycling
and yea top 50 is good
😭
lol
Didn't even kill Miraidon by the way
what’s with everyone using random tera ground mons vs you
Miraidon hate
do they really hate miraidon that much
It's Reg I
there’s no reg i bo3
Like I guess so
oh wow conner doing bo1
wait true

Groudon bo1 is better than non groudon bo3
lmao
tbf it’s either reg i bo1 or reg f 2.0 bo3
But those random tera ground tera blasts will always be annoying
But it's usually when I get super down paired
Which I guess is worse?
But it's whatever
Usually I can outplay regardless
😔
idk reg f is overhated even if its worse this go around
Lowkey Reg F is fine but I'm lazy and don't want to take it seriously
I have Reg I learnt already
What are evasion odds?
i was seein tub goin over past results, 2017 seattle had abysmal mon diversity
17/48 unique mons in top 8. so wen ppl talk about f bein bad its like trust me it can b way worse
just heat crash and ball
tho idk if it’ll work on flamigo bc it’s just copying the stat changes
Well I did but the Flamigo can't be
precipice blades simulator for every other move
Thankfully I'm very lucky and hit my first ice beam with bundle
And it killed
Usually I'm able to kill the Muk before anything even comes out but the Muk Smeargle players are getting smarter
yea i wouldn’t say it’s a bad format, i’m sure it’s just a me thing anyways
but i was under the impression that conner wasnt the biggest reg f fan either
im not loving it either this time around and yea i get that
I am in fact not
they’re capped at one or two braincells we’ll be fine
i was moreso speakin to the general hate it gets
They keep protecting their Muk when I go for the smeargle kill into crash
And now it's a 50/50
that’s true i feel like it’s not that bad even compared to just SV
i should’ve replied to the first message
its not like great by any means for variety but theres been much worse
https://pokepast.es/5d758b55e3610eaf Guys I lose to smeargle 😔
im jaded on vgc anyway atm so i try not to let that effect my perception
i’ve just tried a handful of teams i felt like i’d enjoy but it’s not been fun at all
i just don’t know if it’s reg f or just vgc in general
i’m just going to take a break until champions to solve both
i think a lot of us will be reinvigorated wen champions comes
biggest issue for sv w/ how they handled it was not spacing things out better, earlier formats being so short meant we are now repeating 2-3 of the same format in the same gen, its not great
yeah they burnt through the formats fast
whether they didnt realize champions wouldnt be ready in time or they just didnt really care well never know but its just unfortunate
i feel sv has long extended past the cycle they intended for comp i think champions was supposed to be out by the end of last year/early this year
yea exactly
Tree I'm so glad you suggested Gouging fire
these past few months have felt like filler arcs
im ngl conner it was partly a joke but i am glad its workin for u
i was just thinkin other fire types and thought of that and was like oh ggg thats funny
I mean I've always liked Gouging
I actually even become friends with Matin Moradi because of that mon
Which I find fun
conner G-Maxing in SV omg
i mean u think about it, wouldnt it be good to have the format of megas coincide w/ the release of the game w/ megas
bit disjointed now
is there home compatibility with za yet
random question i just want to bring my pokémon already
i think if u transfer into lza they cant go back to the other games
it always takes a while for them to introduce home compatibility
guess i’m gonna have to shiny hunt for new mons
Is smeargle ever consistent without redirection?
im finally done getting every shiny alpha mega i set out for
cppl other ones that arent mega that i may go back for but im burnt out af on that game atm
eh
not really
follow me fake out r usually always there
follow me makes for stronger mindgames with stuff like decorate
Just trying to figure out how to make the mu more favourable
i feel bad for 2016 players if it’s still annoying af right now i can’t imagine what it was like back then
Bro can discord stop saying I spell "favourite" and "favourable" wrong
no
It's extremely annoying
I built a very good reg i team
generally r not spelled that way
thats like doin flavour instead of flavor
i always switch between them bc my high school teachers were mostly british
its not wrong per say its just not usually what computers are goin off of
i think some words look better with the u
Did bro want a medal for this?
but just some
the way they pronounce stuff it makes sense haha not even as an insult it just sounds more like that the way they say it
i’m running a TR team with bronzong, chandelure, grimmsnarl, mudsdale, and coalossel, what should be my restricted legendary?
for doubles on sword shield
sw/sh 😔
what reg is it in swsh
Isn't it double restricted anyway?
i’ll have it soon mannnn
it might be
I just think its good
yeah
it’s two fahhhh, i haven’t even prepared two either
i already have a solid 5 imo excluding what i thought was only one restricted slot
i feel like you have much stronger options than those five in a restricted format
but like, i was doing some research and almost every legendary is like 90+ and i don’t wanna use calyrex cus the opp is using that
can’t be a copy cat
if its double restricted do cir/goth/alcremie/rilla/incin/palkia
oh no calyrex oof
yeah bro i can’t be that guy
the one who wins?
it’s forbidden morally
uhhh
that makes things much trickier for a tr team
what restricteds do u have access to
God I hate it when CIR is faster than my Farig
i can find my way around cir by trading easily
just making up an excuse to not copy him
your best option is to switch to a different archetype
tr fun tho
bc cir is basically the only decent tr restricted
i’ll use cir if it means using my beloved chandelure special nuke
and palkia
im jus askin like what restricteds u can use
a lot
like just not swsh dlc ones?
yeah basically, but like i said i can find my way around availability
i’m just asking on build advice ykwim
trading is so free right now
u could do like lunala, groudon, gastrodon, incin, regieleki, charizard
pretty good combo team b/w speed control via tr for lunala, max strikes e web eleki, airstream zard
it was good then
if somethings good ill suggest it
still has some tr elements just not hard tr
hard tr is tough if u dont want cir
my neewa
the latter is just not that viable with the pool you have
that is a whole nother team
I can use cir bro
as long as it means i can use my beloved chandelure nuke
dude ur groupin a buncha low power mons for a restricted format im trying to give u good options based on a tr archetype haha
chandelure is a strong but not wen its restricteds involved
wait why is gastroudon so strong i’ve seen it recommended like thrice and it looks harmless bro
grimm is great as a screen setter at least
is this like some underground demon
kyogre
storm drain its ability
protects your mons from single target water type moves
and yawn is very disruptive for dmax
Also dynamax makes spread moves not exist
yeah my concept was kinda using that and using bronzong as a bulky setter
then i have my lovely chandelure glaze worthy nuke
i dont think it fits well into hard tr though
rest was rushed through a bit, like mudsdale and coalossel weren’t a thought for the team that much, last second picks because of low speed
hhhhhmmmmmmmmm
elaborate
it’s better to have other forms of damage control and disruption
like fake out or rage powder
that will help you get tr up much more consistently
cir palkia incin amoonguss regieleki porygon 2 was what got top 4 at worlds
best performing tr team
forgot to answer this but nice hope ur enjoying the format 🫡
u can run chandelure i just think if ur allowing 2 restricteds its not gna do wat u think
you don’t need to copy it exactly but maybe take a page out of it
calyrex ice p2 and palkia all had jt
gives you tons of flexibility when it comes to setting tr up
if u run goth that too
the alcremie team i mentioned b4 has it
shadow tag is good for tr to trap ur opponent in, in unfavorable board states
decorate alcremie to boost ur cir and palkia
incin rilla for added support
so say they have rilla in, u have calyrex, if goth is sitting next to calyrex rillas a sitting duck u get a free boost. incin cant intimidate cycle as easy etc
i sent a friend req to u two
i’m sleepy
i’m gonna go knock out, are you guys down to continue this tomorrow?
Bro I don't want to hear anything come out of Smeargle players mouths
Bros just mad my Groudon just lived a +1 lorb astral
@rustic mountain @dense latch goodnight
gn
Like can we be so for real
Bros trying to call me out and he's playing Zama CSR Smeargle 😭
if u wanna ask questions here again 2mw sure, cant guarantee ill b around tho
nice snarl
So apparently 100% of my luck goes into flare blitz burns
wait y did ur gouging die to a barrage
bro change ur spread lmao if groudon can live so can gouging
Gouging has less hp and less spdef
I lied on both fronts

Man this guys stats are so stupid
Big ball of stats
But he does actually need more speed invest
ight
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 132 HP / 204 SpD Groudon: 157-187 (81.7 - 97.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
also u now have to make an alt called gouging gaming
Gouging Fire @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 164 Atk / 92 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Breaking Swipe
- Snarl
- Burning Bulwark
My gouging spread is very lazy
Max speed then just enough attack to not get attack proto
I could probably make him live +1 lorb astral
Technically right now it's a roll
I don't even know what to calc for
Alright so we running weakness policy now
So fun !
I almost won that game too
Only lost to a pblade miss
Which happens
Can you imagine if Gouging got wisp 😔
Man bundle feels so terrible on the team
Bro's useless until Landorus or Koraidon/Flutter appear
Maybe it's wake again?
That's a lot of sun dependence then
extremely, just calc to outspeed csr in sun
ur never gna outspeed booster speed flutter
nd give urself more bulk
oh i thought it said speed
Well outspeeding CSR in the sun is no investment
Not true actually
Man my numbers are bad today
+1 252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 76 HP / 92 SpD Gouging Fire: 172-203 (90.5 - 106.8%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 76 HP / 4 Def Gouging Fire: 84-100 (44.2 - 52.6%) -- 21.5% chance to 2HKO
Gouging Fire @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 76 HP / 108 Atk / 4 Def / 116 SpD / 204 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Howl
- Snarl
- Burning Bulwark
It's kinda whatever of a set
Probably drop the attack loads
But ok 204 jolly outspeeds csr in sun
108 attack is max I can go without being attack booster
It's true
hits an important benchmark for speed and if u have to adjust it u can
But also with howl it seems like he's less support and more support turn 1 and 2 then blow himself up
Which isn't bad
Flare blitz is stupid
Right let's make a physical fire type that gets stronger in the sun also give it flare blitz
Also with snarl I bet I can get away with less special bulk
gouging is pretty fair considering what weve gotten in recent gens
He's so close to being gamebreaking
nah
I mean in singles he got banned to ubers
sure but thats singles
He has all the tools to be stupid good
He's similar to moon in vgc
Stupid strong mon with setup and insane tools
But setting up 1 dd is too much
Gouging Fire @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 100 HP / 108 Atk / 52 Def / 44 SpD / 204 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Howl
- Snarl
- Burning Bulwark
Alright this is what I came up with
moon has atleast converted into quite a few top placements and regional wins
193 hp so he gets optimal grassy terrain healing and lives 2 adamant 252 glacial lances
gouging has not, its been on the fringes of success, neither are close to being gamebreaking
they r just good mons
Ok maybe game breaking is the wrong descriptor
Would you consider flutter a gamebreaking mon?
gamebreaking is weird cuz its gna b defined differently depending on who u ask. gamebreaking to me is like urshifu
i think part of the equation is the ability to consistently break the game
pagos did not do that
also zacian dominated as intended it didnt break the game per say
Bro needs to go 😭
-1 in the sun by the way
Why does he hit so much harder than every other fire type I've ever used
Bro Firepon in that situation is doing 45
Flare blitz is just really strong I guess
cudgel is 100 bp right, 100 bp vs 120bp
-1 156 Atk Hearthflame Mask Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow in Sun: 108-127 (61.7 - 72.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
-1 156 Atk Gouging Fire Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow in Sun: 103-123 (58.8 - 70.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
should b in the same range if ur guys r similar in atk evs
Oh wait
I'm remembering when I played a 252 252 bold cir 😭
Oh also technically the calc is cir but yeah
And I think my Ogers were always super weak
Man Landorus mu will always be bad
I am liking this version of the team though
I need to just learn how the play it better
Might need to change somethings still but so far it's good
Wake feels very patchy
Only there for some Zama games and almost every lando game
I've been thinking about ice punch hands for a while now
Yknow what I lowkey hate
I wish I could feel any sense of improvement
Feel like I just played the same for 3 hours and went from 1450 to 1614
Well I guess I started at like 1600 too
But I feel like I didn't play any different in any of my games but clearly I got different results
And kept my 77 gxe so I guess whatever?
Ended 27th on the ladder also
Reg F
can pincurchin even do anything besides set eterrain and maybe click a sucker punch
Be the greatest Lando and Ursaluna bait the world has ever seen, I guess.
literally its only good stat is its attack
its hp isnt good enough for its defenses to have any relevance
I mean it’s the only real mon that can go before Torkoal
Zing zap is a pretty good move too
I think he might also learn scald?
Don’t ask why I know Pincurchin moves
Why?
I’m a Pincurchin believer
Big fan of him
So riddle me this
Expanding force was given to 99% of psychic types
But rising voltage was given to 2 mons in Gen 9?
Like what
boltund and who
pipapu probably
Raging Bolt
sableye you liar
Yeah I don’t know why it’s being weird like that
why does bolt learn it but the mascot rat doesnt
what does bolt even need it for it has a sucker punch signature move
I think it learns like every electric move
looks like uh most of them
Yeah not the signature ones but loads of random ones
no nuzzle. L dogshit pokemon.
Twave bolt 😔
what if they made an item that increased the secondary effects of attacks
like how they have covert to block secondary effects
yeah rainbow/serene grace in an item
Be pretty unhealthy
covert cloak has an ability counterpart in shield dust
It probably wouldn't be used unless you want to hax
Or on very niche cases like dire claw or sacred fire
I think there should be an item form of Battle Armor called Tough Armor that does the same thing.
Incin will finally be free from Urshifu's torment!
theres like 4 abilities that do the same fucking thing
Two.
Protective pads will become meta again
i genuinely see this item being more useful for nuzlockes than vgc
id also like to propose a move like baton pass but it transfers your item to an ally in the back that isnt holding one
I propose to make a team whose members all use this move.
Call it Blunt Rotation.
i was just about to say can they be offensive this time though
that means at least 1 mon can never hold at item
or have a consumable
And superbuff Castform.
that would work too
make castform relevant 😀
Imagine if Castform got the stats of a restricted when inside weather.
What's its BST again?
would need an additional restriction that is too easy a requirement to meet
Like 370 or something
420
630 would be fun.
Eh I was close enough
Just 105 on everything.
wait 420 isnt even bad its just 70 in all stats thats the issue
420 is in fact bad
or give castform an evolution
No Pokemon other than Smeargle and Clefairy have been relevant with a BST below 450 to my knowledge.
give it a split evolution like burmy and wormadam
Only one split?
Even he has 474
where it evolves depending on the most recent weather effect active in battle
Big fan of Hariyama actually
rain sun snow and sand
Thick fat is goated on a fighting type
Perhaps the evolution just gains forms for those weathers like the original.
What if it got a buffed version of Weather Ball as a signature move?
or what if it’s evolutions forms depended on terrain instead of weather
i think weather ball was its signature move in gen 3 wasnt it?
It was.
How would Castform interact with Big Green?
give it an evolution and a regional vairant that works with terrain instead of weather
Does it just de-transform?
Who the fuck else would I mean?
venusaur is big and green
Give the Pokepaste for your team, Vex.
later
@stone trellis https://pokepast.es/cab08f1100a1dbef
need to change a few tera types as i said
otherwise its mostly done
Man they just give Restricteds so many moves
Wrong command
Bro just gets every status move in the game
a shame csr doesnt get speed swap in gen 9 or id actually do smthn with it
more likely base spectrier to speedswap cir
https://pokepast.es/bfd102e5272d924b
@stone trellis
this is the real one
i still find it funny korsidon learns snarl
Fun fact all dragon past paradox mons learn snarl
Roaring moon the the 3 beasts
And Koraidon I guess
i know for a fact walking wake learns it cuz i run it
Ello govnah
It also gets aqua jet which means Gouging fire is the only one of the 3 without a prio option
When’s the fire prio move dropping
K👍
i've fallen through worse rabbit holes not gonna lie
I was so close to doing it for seedot once
Needed to see if bro had endeavour
But I just chucked him in the builder and checked
ill see u all on the other side (wen we find out champions is 3 months away)
that sounded darker then i meant lmao; the other side being wen the pokemon presents ends
Other side is crazy wording
Bros trying to pull an Erik
If champions does get announced tomorrow I’m glad I was able to create a new team so late in SVs lifespan and have success with it
Less than four hours until Pokemon Presents
We have a bunch of new comp channels, cool
My fault original gangster
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OMG! Finally a timeframe for Champions! 😄
What is it?
I missed the premiere and I can't find any timestamps on the video.
April
Sweet.
@stone trellis Also Timestamp on Champions is 11:45
they already changed the server name lol
Time for PTFK to prosper again, I guess.
I don't even know if I want to change the team anymore.
Mega Delphox got Levitate 🥀
This is so troll I love it
chesnaught and greninja keep their hidden abilties
At least it’s not a bad thing for them
But man the mega Delphox troll
Probably still an improvement over Magician
Tbf we kinda just think about this guy as a Psyspammer
Makes one of its weaknesses an immunity, can't really complain
But now it isn’t thanks to levitate
We are saved
oh thats valid
sadj
@mighty stump Tried to escape Pokemon so Pokemon announced a game based on his backyard 🤣
Oh god; doesn't Levitate not work well with Psychic Terrain? 😅
Because I am sure that Expanding Force and protection against Priority don't work on flying and levitate mons 😅
Correct, Psyspam wont work with mega Delphox
Yeah you can't benefit from it
Yeah, knew that would be the case >_<
That's unfortunate too; would've been great!
But I suspected Mega Delphox would be Levitate due to it's design
They made the new games look visually presentable holy shit
I finally have a reason to get a switch 2
Yep; that is the positive reasoning for not making it be on Switch 1 and Switch 2; just being Switch 2 exclusively means no reason to downgrade the graphics, etc for Switch 1 version to work
Yeah, I am glad I have the Switch 2 atm; especially since I have Legends Z-A on it xP
Hm, whether it'll be a new mechanic or not; hard to say yet; but we'll know probably approx June/July
||Based on the same leaks that got titles etc right, its weather based.||
Maybe even in August during the closing ceremony for Worlds
Yeah it looks like an interesting new mechanic that isn't like megas or dynamax or teras
Serebii Update: Pokémon Champions will have a Battle Pass with free and paid rewards https://t.co/NWlAdn57aQ
The mega stone is Dragonite's
And you can have an Emboar if you buy the pass lol
I hope they don't lock any Mega Stones behind the paid side 😠
cosmetic stuff is fine; but not Mega Stones
lmao delphox mega is levitate
literally the complete opposite to people predicting psychic surge or anything to compliment it
Ah shit
Drago in depression
boohoo
FFS
Kinda obvious when it’s literally free
Only confirmed to be free on mobile no?
If the Battle Pass is cheap (like no more than £5), then I'll be fine with it
Unless they make the Battle Pass free on the paid side if you have HOME active
Also fine with it if the things locked behind it are also available to transfer from home.
So like, get a mega stone via battle pass or just send it over.
Yeah, but until we get more info on that, hard to say yet
Also no info about any updates to the "training" side of things either 😅
Updates on VP and ticketing though, popped it in the champions discussion
ah ok, had to make sure I could see the channel xD
Why are you reporting my depression to other people?
Yes I’m not happy about it being levitate that screws it over but like, there’s bax
Poor guy, whos gonna tell him
I was praying on this tbh
Shot it in the fucking foot
yeah, they didn't consider the fact we have to hold the Mega Stones on the mons xD
(its satire)
Obviously, but still funny
Delphox DOA sad
I can hope bax is good I guess
Bestie are you still going to Seattle
We'll find out in due time
Levitate delphox is the good ending
They all got kinda screwed tho
I do NOT want to be forced to run tapu fini just to counter one pokemon
Honestly
I think Mega Gren actually ain't that bad
What'd the others get
They just kept their abilities
I don't actually know the base stats on any of them
Protean isn’t that good
So Bulletproof for Chesnaught and Mega Gren kept Protean
Not useless at least
Yeah but changing your type with the Spatk that thing has and the speed that ties Dragapult? It's totally not horrible at all
At most you just have a Pokemon that wishes it's mega was its base form
There might be some cool tech with using battle bond greninja now that it's not a form change if you can trigger it and then mega evolve and get protean
Yup
Yup
GASP
Or just delaying your mega so you can use the protean type change in a later turn
By running torrent
Nah LOL
Not saying it's good but there might be some use case
Like getting to use protect without turning normal type
Does that mean delphox isn't levitate
Nah Delphox was the only one they changed LMAO
Which is so funny
Honestly I think Game Freak realized the monstrosity they were creating
because Magician is pants
Either that or
- They thought Levitate was good
- They realized it can't use Magician
honestly, they probably didn't even consider psyspam
for single player useage it gain an immunity
I mean levitate isn't bad outside of losing psyspam privileges
If you're using delphox for any other archetype levitate is nice I guess
Not that you'd use delphox for anything else
But yeah I think they knew
Actually we're talking about the same people who knew what they were doing when they made miraidon or calyrex
It’s once per switch in
Yeah but it's a hyper offensive Mon sooooooooo
Maybe
Fine game freak i will eventually buy a switch 2...
So champions will release on april but for nintendo switch only right ?
The mobile release later on
Yes
🧐
They gave Delphox Levitate btw
Chesnaught and Greninja kept their abilities
Nice so the fox will not break the vgc meta
Instead it’s trash
I mean it's still gain immunity for one weakness
I saw
It shouldn't be that bad
You never use it over zard y
Oops
It’s just faster but zard gets drought so it wins
Will see tbh zard Y have 4x weakness too rock and there already plenty of drought pokemon that doesn't need mega available
Oh and dynamax could just ruin weather gameplan anyway
all that to get a scheduled release that doesnt even give us a date
Yep

Gen 10 tho at least
yea, presents kinda sucked for a 30th anniversary imo
gen 10 is 2027 too hahah
1 year head start for us too get switch 2 
At least they’re taking their time
yea
I want gen 10 to be good
it does look good
unfortunately was always gna b the case eventually
It’s $500 man that’s a lot of money
w/ them moving flagship games to switch 2 only
It is inevitable
I’ll figure it out
I got a while at least
a year
I’m surprised we only got the starters
I thought they would have shown the box arts
eh they keep things pretty close to their chest for new releases
It’ll probably be the next thing
well get it yea next or like after that
Kyogre power creep is inevitable now
prolly 2-3 more trailers b4 its release
There is no way the waves box art isn’t a water type
Winds a flying type I’d imagine
I bought mine only for 220€
I love discounts
Nice
maybe not not necessarily
Why wouldn’t it be tho?
That’s a fair point
Fairies xD
I like when it’s dragons but I want smth else
i think ur right its prolly a water type, just floating the idea it doesnt have to be
Yo 2 fairies would be fire tho
Dual typed 
have they done any recently that arent?
for the box arts
I don't think so 
Vote
It’ll be reg i and we’ll have to suffer through it
we had kyogre and groudon as the last mono type pair for restricteds
Xerneas was the last one
Oh it was xerneas
Pairs would be the ADV duo though yes
oh ok xern too yea more recent
they did a rebrand on reshiram/zekrom in gen 9 so maybe we get a kyogre rebrand

Technically you could argue groudon kyogre is just a hooh lugia rebrand
Oh i was beaten to the jump
Did we really just get sobble and rowlet 2.0?
They better not mess Sobble 2.0 up because inteleon is absolute cheeks
Don't diss my guy inteleon
That guy has functional finger guns
Do you know how cool that is
Inteleon sucks
Anyways POKEMON CHAMPIONS APRIL FOR MY BIRTHDAY
My sleek secret agent lizard buddy
||Gecqua|| cooler lizard buddy
I saw someone say it looked like this things
HAHAHAH
Im excited for the new evos
see how outrageous it may be
I hope the dog gets fake out and intimidate and parting shot and will o wisp and helping hand
Actually intimidate would be cool neo arcanine
I also hope its a dark type final evo
Tofu did you see the Kalos starters megas abilities
Wait
Where did we get Abilities
They released some champions screenshots and showed the abilities
Only of those three
Its official so I can just send it here
SICK
And its in japanese but they are bulletproof, levitate and protean
They killed psyspam Delphox
Bulletproof lame
And like I wouldn't think its necessarily bad that its levitate but Charizard Y also exists so
Idk where you would prefer Delphox over Chari Y
For the aura
Chesnaught tho
But I think this means that most megas are just keeping their base abilities
Anyways guys Tofu will be back in the next 1-2 months
Scrafty keeping Intim would be kinda
Wouldn’t Mega Evolving re-trigger Intim? Not sure how that works
I’m gonna have to do a refresher
I'm unsure wether or not giving delphox levitate was a conscious decision just to prevent a psyspam monster
Because in recent years game freak is very open to releasing very broken pokemon
Why stop now
Cuz was Delphox REAALLY broken in the first place?
But i mean there is that very weak mindgame w regards to Levitate if they rlly wanna run it
meh
Delphox as is isn't broken
I think it's more of a precaution
Because delphox with 130 speed and 160 spatk able to psyspam might have been a bit too much ig
In b4 Incineroar anyways
Incineroar stops csr on its tracks and that didn't stop people from using it
Does knock get the bp boost on mega stones
Champions this april🥹
I really really hope they make as many things as possible carry over to champions from home


