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foggy lodge
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Hmm I see

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To share team reports and pastes that people drop

dense latch
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wonder how many ppl will join the channel regularly when champions comes out

bold geode
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That would be cool, though we will have to post them whenever team reports are shared

dense latch
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i’m not sure what the level of hype for champions is outside the vgc community actually lol

tranquil kraken
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the casuals are gonna be drawn in I imagine. since its free and mobile

foggy lodge
bold geode
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Right now the stuff you see is automatic, if there's any team reports shared via Twitter, YT or other sources plz share so they can be posted there by someone

foggy lodge
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Atleast that's what I've seen from interactinf with the rest of the community that is not into comp

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But they are also hyped just not as much as us lol

bold geode
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It's definitely more competitive driven but I feel like you're gonna have at least a small mass of casual gamers coming in at least on launch date

rustic mountain
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oh for sure

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i think its more retention for players vs actually bringing ppl in

shadow wind
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Tera fire Gouging goat might be my goat

rustic mountain
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u actually took that suggestion?

shadow wind
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Well I think the original suggestion was for CSR with Gouging fire but I'm using it on a Groudon Mirai team

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Also my Volc just missed 3 overheats in a row

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Thank you Volcarona

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Not like I needed you to kill the cir or anything

foggy lodge
rustic mountain
rustic mountain
shadow wind
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Guys I'm sorry I prayed for this 😔

rustic mountain
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is this in ladder as well

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or is that getting changed again too

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is champions really gna b 1st format at worlds

tranquil kraken
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parody account PoliWorry

rustic mountain
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oh god

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ty ili

foggy lodge
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LMAO

bold geode
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We failed reading again

rustic mountain
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i skimmed the acc name haha chadazumarill

undone sage
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Bro

foggy lodge
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Cybertron shares it on twitter I almost died

undone sage
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I already sent it on

bold geode
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Not even the parody, it says 2025 KEKW

undone sage
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wtf

tranquil kraken
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LMAOOO

bold geode
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Tree you failed to read the date my guy

shadow wind
rustic mountain
tranquil kraken
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good start to our official competitive pokemon category channels!

undone sage
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Who reads

rustic mountain
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that hilarious

bold geode
tranquil kraken
foggy lodge
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also btw

rustic mountain
foggy lodge
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If we don't switch to champions after reg F

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They are probably showing the next format on the present

rustic mountain
foggy lodge
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Cuz like they show it always a month before the current one ends so why wait one day to show the next format

rustic mountain
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nah they dont care

bold geode
sudden remnant
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so no more valentines coloring for usernames? 🙁

rustic mountain
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nope

tranquil kraken
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i was fully expecting champions news at EUIC

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sat there like an idiot

foggy lodge
sudden remnant
undone sage
sudden remnant
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now im blue 🙁

tranquil kraken
bold geode
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Honestly @foggy lodge would you rather go back to Reg I or Reg D

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I think I'm picking I deadass

foggy lodge
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Champions

rustic mountain
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how far weve fallen

foggy lodge
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No I think uhhh

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Probably reg D cuz I just hate gs cup

bold geode
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Looking back on it, Regulation D was a fucking shitshow

shadow wind
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Not sold on Gouging as last but I couldn't think of a better sun abuser

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Maybe Ogerpon

bold geode
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Poorly timed
Meta developed way too fast
The meta shift was too crazy

foggy lodge
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Arubega + Groudon

shadow wind
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I just want to try specs Miraidon and Farig Whims are perfect for it

bold geode
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And the thing is Will O Wisp beat 80% of the fucking format at least and nobody used it KEKW

foggy lodge
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When Brambleghast was viable

bold geode
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It was not viable LMAO

rustic mountain
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it had fringe success

bold geode
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It went from being a dogshit gimmick to an alright gimmick

foggy lodge
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It top 16'd worlds

bold geode
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Ho Oh MU fished its way to the same spot, I don't wanna hear it

rustic mountain
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at worlds?

foggy lodge
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holy shit this team is gross

bold geode
rustic mountain
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haha i forgot that happened

bold geode
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Ho Oh was in top 16 KEKW

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They literally just abused the fact that 85% of the field was gonna bring Zama CSR just like all the Sun players did and it worked

rustic mountain
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then good for them they made the right call, i think sure ho oh and bramble arent great mons but if some1 can make a call and use em well enough they clearly can convert they cant b that bad

dense latch
foggy lodge
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Okay gang

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We should do our formats tier lists

shadow wind
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Reg I is decent

dense latch
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i think we can all agree reg j is bottom tier

shadow wind
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Also G being peak is an awful take

sudden remnant
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i just noticed the competitive chat was moved

shadow wind
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People hated Reg G 😭

tranquil kraken
dense latch
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competitive resources is a much appreciated channel addition

tranquil kraken
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been long overdue imho Kek

sudden remnant
dense latch
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no more quoting the pinned message lmao

foggy lodge
dense latch
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also idk if it’s as fitting as the other resources since it’s a bit more advanced but pasrs is an amazing resource when you learn to use it correctly

foggy lodge
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Yeah but its a bit more advanced I think

dense latch
bold geode
foggy lodge
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Rerun but I think that reruns of formats don't really change stuff

dense latch
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or is it so good it deserves to be there twice

bold geode
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I think D was the worst format low-key

foggy lodge
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But its also so good i needed to make clear its the best one

bold geode
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Actually nah E cuz it was basically D 2.0 and D at least gave us the funny Leaf Storm Amoonguss

dense latch
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i dont think i’ve heard anyone talk about reg e

bold geode
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It was basically Reg D + Ogerpon

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It did add Bloodmoon Ursaluna but that Pokemon never took off til Reg F

rustic mountain
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s tier: series 1, series 2, reg c
a tier: reg h, reg f 1
b tier: reg g 1
c tier: reg e, reg d, reg h 2, reg i
d tier: reg f 2
f tier: reg g 2

foggy lodge
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Almost all the mons it added didn't pop off until later regs

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Sinistcha and Alolan Ninetales until like reg H, Blursa and Okidogi until reg F, Clefairy in G

rustic mountain
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they were all bad

dense latch
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i havent played an s tier format this gen

rustic mountain
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id rather 6 months of the format straight thru then 3 months on and then like a year + off b4 coming back

dense latch
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best i’d give would be an A to reg h 1

rustic mountain
foggy lodge
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I didn't play any A tier formats

dense latch
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i started in reg g so i missed what ppl tend to regard as the best formats this reg 😭

foggy lodge
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From what I've seen most people think non ursh formats are the best ones lol

rustic mountain
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regional dex formats just hit different

foggy lodge
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Urshifu you are gonna fucking die in champions

dense latch
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reg g was decently fun for me both times but the mu roulette got tough to enjoy eventually

rustic mountain
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i have reg g 1 as b tier i didnt hate it

dense latch
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dexit ursh

rustic mountain
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wasnt until it came back that i really started disliking it

foggy lodge
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I think my main difference was that most formats I played just because I just like VGC meanwhile reg G I played because its still VGC but also because the format was just fun

rustic mountain
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ull talk to some ppl that have reg g or reg i s tier

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im just not 1 of em

dense latch
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reg i was probably b tier for me

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i feel like if i started reg g 1 the month it dropped the rerun would’ve been way less enjoyable

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the rerun was the first time i played the format with a better understanding of the gen

rustic mountain
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right

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if it was 6 months straight on any of the rerun formats i might think of em differently, goin 3 on, year + off then 3 month on again sucks tho

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p sure reg g turnaround was a lot shorter then that, point still stands

foggy lodge
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It was actually 4 months each one

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Reruns are one of the wors things ever we started doing series and regulations for "short" periods for a reason, 1 whole year of only one format was terrible back then

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Why are we doing a total of 8 months for formats

dense latch
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i wish they’d just make them longer

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every format post indigo dish has had a rerun one way or another

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joining them into a longer format would make for better development imo

dense latch
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it technically happened on cart

foggy lodge
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Actually yes reg I rerun is not happening because that would force them to match the ingame ladder to irl tournaments and they hate doing nice stuff for us

dense latch
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what’s a realistic champions release date

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there’s no way it drops after naic right they don’t hate us that much

tranquil kraken
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shadow drop tomorrow

foggy lodge
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April

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I think the whole asian circuit will be played on champions

dense latch
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can you tell how bored i am given im speculating about a release date we’re probably getting a day and a half from now

foggy lodge
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And that hasn't started + the global challenge being "delayed" and replaced with a grand challenge tells me they are stalling for the champions release

molten oasis
foggy lodge
dense latch
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i was really hyped to try reg f out for the first time

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maybe that’s what ruined it for me idk

foggy lodge
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I think I went with more realistic expectations

shadow wind
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If his team fries me then why did I win? Doesn't that mean he's terrible?

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Showdown got me pondering

dense latch
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how do you find these people

shadow wind
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Yknow I'm not sure

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Just lucky like that I guess

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I mean it's always funny

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Man I'm nasty

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Thank you Groudon for waking up

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I hate it when the smeargle isn't sash

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Throws off my whole game plan

foggy lodge
shadow wind
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Hold up

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Scarf Miraidon with Acid spray Sneasler

foggy lodge
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I think that if you are using Sneasler you don't need scarf Mirai

shadow wind
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Nah but then I can move faster than so much

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Faster than the horse

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Hmm

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I might need to take a break

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Kinda getting screwed by luck out of my control today

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Lost to 2 double protects and now a crit

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But it isn't something to tilt over

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Means I need to make a more consistent team

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End games before I can get out lucked

rustic mountain
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they should give mega dnite drizzle

foggy lodge
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Gang go do yours I want to know my comp regulars' favs

dense latch
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gligar and fuecoco are goated picks

dull ibex
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made this today lowkey think its works

shadow wind
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Contrary !!

dense latch
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volc is up there too

foggy lodge
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Regieleki and Cyndaquil are so based

shadow wind
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Cyndaquil lowkey a sleeper pick

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Y'all don't want to see me make a team

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I just witnessed a tera electric Kyogre

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This is why we tera grass

molten oasis
rustic mountain
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where is that

molten oasis
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Instagram

rustic mountain
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oh ew

molten oasis
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Yeah that’s what I said lol

rustic mountain
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id go
treecko, umbreon, dragonite, entei, lapras, spectrier

molten oasis
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Based

shadow wind
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Groudon, Groudon, Groudon, Groudon, Groudon, Groudon

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Why does water spout exist

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Like lowkey asking the real questions

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150 bp spread move that gets boosted by weather

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Eruption as well

tranquil kraken
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get ready for champions tomorrow

rustic mountain
shadow wind
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Alright I have found the plan for my next team

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Stopping lead Rillaboom u turn into Incin

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Man I hate that

shadow wind
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Burning bulwark kinda broken

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In e terrain while I'm tera water +1 defense

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
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Why did they feel the need to give bro 120 spatk

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
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Gouging fire solved my terapagos mu

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Man this guy is the goat

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Although tera fire might be better cause then I pin choice Mirai

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This is exactly what Gamefreak was thinking when they made these mons

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I have d1 haters apparently

rustic mountain
shadow wind
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The answer to that was cloak Gouging fire

rustic mountain
shadow wind
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Honestly it works

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Not sure if I want breaking swipe or howl yet though

rustic mountain
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i had some guy get mad at me for using incin/rilla

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and he was using incin rilla

shadow wind
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Jeez people really love just clicking the electric move into Farig

shadow wind
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Dang 1600 is still top 50

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Maybe I gotta be happy with my performances

rustic mountain
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y cant u beat it then. he was like stop fake out cycling

shadow wind
rustic mountain
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and yea top 50 is good

shadow wind
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😭

rustic mountain
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lol

shadow wind
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Didn't even kill Miraidon by the way

dense latch
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what’s with everyone using random tera ground mons vs you

shadow wind
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Miraidon hate

dense latch
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do they really hate miraidon that much

rustic mountain
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wait

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is this not bo3

shadow wind
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It's Reg I

dense latch
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there’s no reg i bo3

shadow wind
rustic mountain
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oh wow conner doing bo1

dense latch
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wait true

rustic mountain
shadow wind
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Groudon bo1 is better than non groudon bo3

rustic mountain
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lmao

dense latch
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tbf it’s either reg i bo1 or reg f 2.0 bo3

shadow wind
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But those random tera ground tera blasts will always be annoying

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But it's usually when I get super down paired

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Which I guess is worse?

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But it's whatever

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Usually I can outplay regardless

rustic mountain
shadow wind
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Lowkey Reg F is fine but I'm lazy and don't want to take it seriously

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I have Reg I learnt already

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What are evasion odds?

rustic mountain
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i was seein tub goin over past results, 2017 seattle had abysmal mon diversity
17/48 unique mons in top 8. so wen ppl talk about f bein bad its like trust me it can b way worse

dense latch
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tho idk if it’ll work on flamigo bc it’s just copying the stat changes

shadow wind
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Well I did but the Flamigo can't be

dense latch
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precipice blades simulator for every other move

shadow wind
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Thankfully I'm very lucky and hit my first ice beam with bundle

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And it killed

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Usually I'm able to kill the Muk before anything even comes out but the Muk Smeargle players are getting smarter

dense latch
rustic mountain
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im not loving it either this time around and yea i get that

shadow wind
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I am in fact not

dense latch
rustic mountain
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i was moreso speakin to the general hate it gets

shadow wind
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They keep protecting their Muk when I go for the smeargle kill into crash

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And now it's a 50/50

dense latch
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i should’ve replied to the first message

rustic mountain
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its not like great by any means for variety but theres been much worse

shadow wind
rustic mountain
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im jaded on vgc anyway atm so i try not to let that effect my perception

dense latch
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i’ve just tried a handful of teams i felt like i’d enjoy but it’s not been fun at all

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i just don’t know if it’s reg f or just vgc in general

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i’m just going to take a break until champions to solve both

rustic mountain
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i think a lot of us will be reinvigorated wen champions comes

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biggest issue for sv w/ how they handled it was not spacing things out better, earlier formats being so short meant we are now repeating 2-3 of the same format in the same gen, its not great

shadow wind
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Oh my days

dense latch
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yeah they burnt through the formats fast

rustic mountain
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whether they didnt realize champions wouldnt be ready in time or they just didnt really care well never know but its just unfortunate

dense latch
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sv lasting so long also forced their hand

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there’s only so many formats you can make

rustic mountain
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i feel sv has long extended past the cycle they intended for comp i think champions was supposed to be out by the end of last year/early this year

dense latch
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yea exactly

shadow wind
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Tree I'm so glad you suggested Gouging fire

dense latch
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these past few months have felt like filler arcs

rustic mountain
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im ngl conner it was partly a joke but i am glad its workin for u

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i was just thinkin other fire types and thought of that and was like oh ggg thats funny

shadow wind
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I mean I've always liked Gouging

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I actually even become friends with Matin Moradi because of that mon

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Which I find fun

dense latch
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conner G-Maxing in SV omg

rustic mountain
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bit disjointed now

dense latch
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is there home compatibility with za yet

rustic mountain
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lol

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no

dense latch
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random question i just want to bring my pokémon already

rustic mountain
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i think if u transfer into lza they cant go back to the other games

dense latch
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it always takes a while for them to introduce home compatibility

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guess i’m gonna have to shiny hunt for new mons

shadow wind
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Is smeargle ever consistent without redirection?

rustic mountain
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im finally done getting every shiny alpha mega i set out for

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cppl other ones that arent mega that i may go back for but im burnt out af on that game atm

rustic mountain
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not really

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follow me fake out r usually always there

dense latch
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follow me makes for stronger mindgames with stuff like decorate

shadow wind
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Just trying to figure out how to make the mu more favourable

dense latch
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i feel bad for 2016 players if it’s still annoying af right now i can’t imagine what it was like back then

shadow wind
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Bro can discord stop saying I spell "favourite" and "favourable" wrong

rustic mountain
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no

shadow wind
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It's extremely annoying

waxen dock
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I built a very good reg i team

rustic mountain
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thats like doin flavour instead of flavor

dense latch
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i always switch between them bc my high school teachers were mostly british

rustic mountain
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its not wrong per say its just not usually what computers are goin off of

dense latch
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i think some words look better with the u

shadow wind
dense latch
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but just some

rustic mountain
severe remnant
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i’m running a TR team with bronzong, chandelure, grimmsnarl, mudsdale, and coalossel, what should be my restricted legendary?

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for doubles on sword shield

shadow wind
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sw/sh 😔

severe remnant
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i know but

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i don’t have sv, playing against my friend on it rn

rustic mountain
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what reg is it in swsh

shadow wind
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Isn't it double restricted anyway?

severe remnant
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i’ll have it soon mannnn

severe remnant
waxen dock
severe remnant
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yeah

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it’s two fahhhh, i haven’t even prepared two either

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i already have a solid 5 imo excluding what i thought was only one restricted slot

dense latch
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i feel like you have much stronger options than those five in a restricted format

severe remnant
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but like, i was doing some research and almost every legendary is like 90+ and i don’t wanna use calyrex cus the opp is using that

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can’t be a copy cat

rustic mountain
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if its double restricted do cir/goth/alcremie/rilla/incin/palkia

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oh no calyrex oof

severe remnant
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yeah bro i can’t be that guy

rustic mountain
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the one who wins?

severe remnant
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it’s forbidden morally

severe remnant
dense latch
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that makes things much trickier for a tr team

severe remnant
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i don’t have the dlc either

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he does

rustic mountain
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what restricteds do u have access to

shadow wind
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God I hate it when CIR is faster than my Farig

severe remnant
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just making up an excuse to not copy him

dense latch
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your best option is to switch to a different archetype

severe remnant
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tr fun tho

dense latch
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bc cir is basically the only decent tr restricted

severe remnant
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i’ll use cir if it means using my beloved chandelure special nuke

dense latch
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and palkia

rustic mountain
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im jus askin like what restricteds u can use

severe remnant
rustic mountain
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like just not swsh dlc ones?

severe remnant
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yeah basically, but like i said i can find my way around availability

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i’m just asking on build advice ykwim

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trading is so free right now

rustic mountain
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u could do like lunala, groudon, gastrodon, incin, regieleki, charizard

shadow wind
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Tree suggesting Groudon

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Never thought I'd see the day

rustic mountain
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pretty good combo team b/w speed control via tr for lunala, max strikes e web eleki, airstream zard

rustic mountain
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if somethings good ill suggest it

dense latch
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still has some tr elements just not hard tr

rustic mountain
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hard tr is tough if u dont want cir

dense latch
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the latter is just not that viable with the pool you have

severe remnant
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that is a whole nother team

severe remnant
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as long as it means i can use my beloved chandelure nuke

rustic mountain
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dude ur groupin a buncha low power mons for a restricted format im trying to give u good options based on a tr archetype haha

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chandelure is a strong but not wen its restricteds involved

severe remnant
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wait why is gastroudon so strong i’ve seen it recommended like thrice and it looks harmless bro

dense latch
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grimm is great as a screen setter at least

severe remnant
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is this like some underground demon

dense latch
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kyogre

dense latch
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protects your mons from single target water type moves

rustic mountain
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and yawn is very disruptive for dmax

shadow wind
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Also dynamax makes spread moves not exist

severe remnant
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then i have my lovely chandelure glaze worthy nuke

dense latch
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i dont think it fits well into hard tr though

severe remnant
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rest was rushed through a bit, like mudsdale and coalossel weren’t a thought for the team that much, last second picks because of low speed

severe remnant
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elaborate

dense latch
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it’s better to have other forms of damage control and disruption

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like fake out or rage powder

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that will help you get tr up much more consistently

severe remnant
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so

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@rustic mountain

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is it suggested i drop my king

dense latch
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cir palkia incin amoonguss regieleki porygon 2 was what got top 4 at worlds

severe remnant
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my savior

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ghost fire rizz machine

dense latch
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best performing tr team

rustic mountain
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u can run chandelure i just think if ur allowing 2 restricteds its not gna do wat u think

dense latch
severe remnant
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i can probably rip out cir and palkia

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but

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who was using tr

dense latch
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calyrex ice p2 and palkia all had jt

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gives you tons of flexibility when it comes to setting tr up

rustic mountain
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if u run goth that too

severe remnant
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gothitelle?

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i thought she was only good for shadow tag

rustic mountain
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the alcremie team i mentioned b4 has it

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shadow tag is good for tr to trap ur opponent in, in unfavorable board states

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decorate alcremie to boost ur cir and palkia

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incin rilla for added support

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so say they have rilla in, u have calyrex, if goth is sitting next to calyrex rillas a sitting duck u get a free boost. incin cant intimidate cycle as easy etc

severe remnant
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i sent a friend req to u two

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i’m sleepy

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i’m gonna go knock out, are you guys down to continue this tomorrow?

shadow wind
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Bro I don't want to hear anything come out of Smeargle players mouths

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Bros just mad my Groudon just lived a +1 lorb astral

severe remnant
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@rustic mountain @dense latch goodnight

dense latch
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gn

shadow wind
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Like can we be so for real

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Bros trying to call me out and he's playing Zama CSR Smeargle 😭

rustic mountain
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if u wanna ask questions here again 2mw sure, cant guarantee ill b around tho

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nice snarl

shadow wind
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So apparently 100% of my luck goes into flare blitz burns

rustic mountain
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wait y did ur gouging die to a barrage

shadow wind
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Yes

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It's +1 lorb astral

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So many things die to that

rustic mountain
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bro change ur spread lmao if groudon can live so can gouging

shadow wind
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Gouging has less hp and less spdef

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
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I lied on both fronts

rustic mountain
shadow wind
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Man this guys stats are so stupid

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Big ball of stats

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But he does actually need more speed invest

rustic mountain
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ight

shadow wind
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+1 252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 132 HP / 204 SpD Groudon: 157-187 (81.7 - 97.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

rustic mountain
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also u now have to make an alt called gouging gaming

shadow wind
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Gouging Fire @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 164 Atk / 92 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Flare Blitz
  • Breaking Swipe
  • Snarl
  • Burning Bulwark
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My gouging spread is very lazy

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Max speed then just enough attack to not get attack proto

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I could probably make him live +1 lorb astral

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Technically right now it's a roll

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I don't even know what to calc for

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Alright so we running weakness policy now

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So fun !

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I almost won that game too

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Only lost to a pblade miss

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Which happens

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Can you imagine if Gouging got wisp 😔

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Man bundle feels so terrible on the team

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Bro's useless until Landorus or Koraidon/Flutter appear

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Maybe it's wake again?

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That's a lot of sun dependence then

shadow wind
#

This is not the first time someone has asked for my teams

rustic mountain
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ur never gna outspeed booster speed flutter

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nd give urself more bulk

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oh i thought it said speed

shadow wind
#

Well outspeeding CSR in the sun is no investment

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Not true actually

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Man my numbers are bad today

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+1 252 SpA Life Orb Calyrex-Shadow Astral Barrage vs. 76 HP / 92 SpD Gouging Fire: 172-203 (90.5 - 106.8%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

252+ Atk Calyrex-Ice Glacial Lance vs. 76 HP / 4 Def Gouging Fire: 84-100 (44.2 - 52.6%) -- 21.5% chance to 2HKO

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Gouging Fire @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 76 HP / 108 Atk / 4 Def / 116 SpD / 204 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Flare Blitz
  • Howl
  • Snarl
  • Burning Bulwark
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It's kinda whatever of a set

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Probably drop the attack loads

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But ok 204 jolly outspeeds csr in sun

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108 attack is max I can go without being attack booster

rustic mountain
#

seems better

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u want ur support guy to be around more

shadow wind
#

It's true

rustic mountain
#

hits an important benchmark for speed and if u have to adjust it u can

shadow wind
#

But also with howl it seems like he's less support and more support turn 1 and 2 then blow himself up

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Which isn't bad

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Flare blitz is stupid

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Right let's make a physical fire type that gets stronger in the sun also give it flare blitz

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Also with snarl I bet I can get away with less special bulk

rustic mountain
#

gouging is pretty fair considering what weve gotten in recent gens

shadow wind
#

He's so close to being gamebreaking

rustic mountain
#

nah

shadow wind
#

I mean in singles he got banned to ubers

rustic mountain
#

sure but thats singles

shadow wind
#

He has all the tools to be stupid good

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He's similar to moon in vgc

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Stupid strong mon with setup and insane tools

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But setting up 1 dd is too much

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Gouging Fire @ Covert Cloak
Ability: Protosynthesis
Level: 50
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 100 HP / 108 Atk / 52 Def / 44 SpD / 204 Spe
Jolly Nature

  • Flare Blitz
  • Howl
  • Snarl
  • Burning Bulwark
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Alright this is what I came up with

rustic mountain
#

moon has atleast converted into quite a few top placements and regional wins

shadow wind
#

193 hp so he gets optimal grassy terrain healing and lives 2 adamant 252 glacial lances

rustic mountain
#

gouging has not, its been on the fringes of success, neither are close to being gamebreaking

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they r just good mons

shadow wind
#

Ok maybe game breaking is the wrong descriptor

#

Would you consider flutter a gamebreaking mon?

rustic mountain
#

gamebreaking is weird cuz its gna b defined differently depending on who u ask. gamebreaking to me is like urshifu

shadow wind
#

Hmm

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Terapagos?

rustic mountain
#

quite literally breaks a core mechanic of the game

#

why terapagos

shadow wind
#

Tera stellar abuse

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Similar to Zacian with dmax

rustic mountain
#

i think part of the equation is the ability to consistently break the game

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pagos did not do that

#

also zacian dominated as intended it didnt break the game per say

shadow wind
#

Bro needs to go 😭

#

-1 in the sun by the way

#

Why does he hit so much harder than every other fire type I've ever used

#

Bro Firepon in that situation is doing 45

#

Flare blitz is just really strong I guess

rustic mountain
#

cudgel is 100 bp right, 100 bp vs 120bp

shadow wind
#

I mean it's 120

#

Mask boost

rustic mountain
# shadow wind I mean it's 120

-1 156 Atk Hearthflame Mask Ogerpon-Hearthflame Ivy Cudgel vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow in Sun: 108-127 (61.7 - 72.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
-1 156 Atk Gouging Fire Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Calyrex-Shadow in Sun: 103-123 (58.8 - 70.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

#

should b in the same range if ur guys r similar in atk evs

shadow wind
#

Oh wait

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I'm remembering when I played a 252 252 bold cir 😭

#

Oh also technically the calc is cir but yeah

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
#

And I think my Ogers were always super weak

#

Man Landorus mu will always be bad

#

I am liking this version of the team though

#

I need to just learn how the play it better

#

Might need to change somethings still but so far it's good

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Wake feels very patchy

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Only there for some Zama games and almost every lando game

#

I've been thinking about ice punch hands for a while now

shadow wind
#

Yknow what I lowkey hate

#

I wish I could feel any sense of improvement

#

Feel like I just played the same for 3 hours and went from 1450 to 1614

#

Well I guess I started at like 1600 too

#

But I feel like I didn't play any different in any of my games but clearly I got different results

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And kept my 77 gxe so I guess whatever?

#

Ended 27th on the ladder also

foggy lodge
sudden remnant
# foggy lodge Reg F

can pincurchin even do anything besides set eterrain and maybe click a sucker punch

stone trellis
#

Be the greatest Lando and Ursaluna bait the world has ever seen, I guess.

tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
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literally its only good stat is its attack

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its hp isnt good enough for its defenses to have any relevance

shadow wind
#

I mean it’s the only real mon that can go before Torkoal

#

Zing zap is a pretty good move too

#

I think he might also learn scald?

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
#

Don’t ask why I know Pincurchin moves

stone trellis
#

Why?

shadow wind
#

I’m a Pincurchin believer

#

Big fan of him

#

So riddle me this

#

Expanding force was given to 99% of psychic types

#

But rising voltage was given to 2 mons in Gen 9?

#

Like what

sudden remnant
#

pipapu probably

foggy lodge
#

Raging Bolt

tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
#

erm

#

so only 1 mon got it

shadow wind
#

Pincurchin also learns it

#

So in Gen 9 there’s 2 rising voltage mons

sudden remnant
shadow wind
#

Yeah I don’t know why it’s being weird like that

sudden remnant
#

why does bolt learn it but the mascot rat doesnt

#

what does bolt even need it for it has a sucker punch signature move

shadow wind
#

I think it learns like every electric move

tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
#

looks like uh most of them

shadow wind
#

Yeah not the signature ones but loads of random ones

sudden remnant
#

no nuzzle. L dogshit pokemon.

shadow wind
#

Twave bolt 😔

sudden remnant
#

what if they made an item that increased the secondary effects of attacks

#

like how they have covert to block secondary effects

shadow wind
#

So rainbow but an item?

#

Or I guess serene grace

sudden remnant
#

yeah rainbow/serene grace in an item

shadow wind
#

Be pretty unhealthy

sudden remnant
#

covert cloak has an ability counterpart in shield dust

foggy lodge
#

It probably wouldn't be used unless you want to hax

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Or on very niche cases like dire claw or sacred fire

stone trellis
#

I think there should be an item form of Battle Armor called Tough Armor that does the same thing.

tiny karmaBOT
stone trellis
#

Incin will finally be free from Urshifu's torment!

sudden remnant
# tiny karma

theres like 4 abilities that do the same fucking thing

stone trellis
#

Two.

shadow wind
#

Protective pads will become meta again

sudden remnant
#

id also like to propose a move like baton pass but it transfers your item to an ally in the back that isnt holding one

shadow wind
#

I want weather seeds

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But make them offensive stats

stone trellis
#

Call it Blunt Rotation.

sudden remnant
sudden remnant
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or have a consumable

stone trellis
sudden remnant
#

that would work too

sudden remnant
stone trellis
#

Imagine if Castform got the stats of a restricted when inside weather.

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What's its BST again?

sudden remnant
shadow wind
#

Like 370 or something

tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
#

420

stone trellis
#

630 would be fun.

shadow wind
#

Eh I was close enough

stone trellis
#

Just 105 on everything.

sudden remnant
#

wait 420 isnt even bad its just 70 in all stats thats the issue

shadow wind
#

420 is in fact bad

sudden remnant
#

or give castform an evolution

stone trellis
#

No Pokemon other than Smeargle and Clefairy have been relevant with a BST below 450 to my knowledge.

sudden remnant
#

give it a split evolution like burmy and wormadam

tiny karmaBOT
stone trellis
shadow wind
#

Even he has 474

sudden remnant
shadow wind
#

Big fan of Hariyama actually

sudden remnant
#

rain sun snow and sand

shadow wind
#

Thick fat is goated on a fighting type

stone trellis
#

What if it got a buffed version of Weather Ball as a signature move?

sudden remnant
#

or what if it’s evolutions forms depended on terrain instead of weather

sudden remnant
stone trellis
#

It was.

sudden remnant
#

poor castform

#

free my boi

stone trellis
#

How would Castform interact with Big Green?

sudden remnant
#

give it an evolution and a regional vairant that works with terrain instead of weather

stone trellis
#

Does it just de-transform?

sudden remnant
#

you mean rayray?

stone trellis
#

Who the fuck else would I mean?

sudden remnant
#

venusaur is big and green

stone trellis
#

Give the Pokepaste for your team, Vex.

sudden remnant
#

later

#

need to change a few tera types as i said

#

otherwise its mostly done

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
#

Man they just give Restricteds so many moves

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
#

Wrong command

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
#

Bro just gets every status move in the game

tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
#

more likely base spectrier to speedswap cir

#

this is the real one

sudden remnant
shadow wind
#

Fun fact all dragon past paradox mons learn snarl

#

Roaring moon the the 3 beasts

#

And Koraidon I guess

sudden remnant
left bobcat
#

Ello govnah

shadow wind
#

When’s the fire prio move dropping

tiny karmaBOT
bold geode
#

@mossy epoch it's not worth it

#

Don't

mossy epoch
#

K👍

shadow wind
#

Sableye lowkey snitches

#

God forbid a guy look up what Rayquaza moves are

dense latch
shadow wind
#

I was so close to doing it for seedot once

#

Needed to see if bro had endeavour

#

But I just chucked him in the builder and checked

rustic mountain
#

ill see u all on the other side (wen we find out champions is 3 months away)

#

that sounded darker then i meant lmao; the other side being wen the pokemon presents ends

forest arrow
#

Not to be that guy

#

But 9 hours

#

Alr goodnight gang

shadow wind
#

Bros trying to pull an Erik

shadow wind
#

If champions does get announced tomorrow I’m glad I was able to create a new team so late in SVs lifespan and have success with it

leaden fox
#

Less than four hours until Pokemon Presents

real prairie
#

We have a bunch of new comp channels, cool

left bobcat
#

My fault original gangster

real prairie
leaden fox
#

OMG! Finally a timeframe for Champions! 😄

stone trellis
#

I missed the premiere and I can't find any timestamps on the video.

leaden fox
stone trellis
#

Sweet.

leaden fox
#

@stone trellis Also Timestamp on Champions is 11:45

waxen dock
#

Prepare for reg i guys

#

I already built a team

#

Even tho its not confirmed yet

dense latch
#

they already changed the server name lol

waxen dock
stone trellis
#

I don't even know if I want to change the team anymore.

dense latch
#

Mega Delphox got Levitate 🥀

solid frigate
#

This is so troll I love it

dense latch
#

chesnaught and greninja keep their hidden abilties

solid frigate
real prairie
solid frigate
real prairie
solid frigate
#

But now it isn’t thanks to levitate

We are saved

real prairie
#

sadj

#

@mighty stump Tried to escape Pokemon so Pokemon announced a game based on his backyard 🤣

leaden fox
#

Oh god; doesn't Levitate not work well with Psychic Terrain? 😅
Because I am sure that Expanding Force and protection against Priority don't work on flying and levitate mons 😅

real prairie
#

Correct, Psyspam wont work with mega Delphox

leaden fox
#

Yeah, knew that would be the case >_<

#

That's unfortunate too; would've been great!

#

But I suspected Mega Delphox would be Levitate due to it's design

polar canyon
#

They made the new games look visually presentable holy shit

#

I finally have a reason to get a switch 2

leaden fox
#

Yep; that is the positive reasoning for not making it be on Switch 1 and Switch 2; just being Switch 2 exclusively means no reason to downgrade the graphics, etc for Switch 1 version to work

polar canyon
#

Unfortunately that means I have to spend a lot of money

#

I'd die for gecqua

leaden fox
#

Yeah, I am glad I have the Switch 2 atm; especially since I have Legends Z-A on it xP

real prairie
leaden fox
#

Hm, whether it'll be a new mechanic or not; hard to say yet; but we'll know probably approx June/July

real prairie
#

||Based on the same leaks that got titles etc right, its weather based.||

leaden fox
#

Maybe even in August during the closing ceremony for Worlds

lofty tartan
foggy lodge
#

The mega stone is Dragonite's

#

And you can have an Emboar if you buy the pass lol

leaden fox
#

I hope they don't lock any Mega Stones behind the paid side 😠

#

cosmetic stuff is fine; but not Mega Stones

chrome knot
#

lmao delphox mega is levitate

#

literally the complete opposite to people predicting psychic surge or anything to compliment it

solid frigate
solid frigate
chrome knot
#

boohoo

solid frigate
real prairie
leaden fox
#

If the Battle Pass is cheap (like no more than £5), then I'll be fine with it

#

Unless they make the Battle Pass free on the paid side if you have HOME active

real prairie
#

Also fine with it if the things locked behind it are also available to transfer from home.

So like, get a mega stone via battle pass or just send it over.

leaden fox
#

Yeah, but until we get more info on that, hard to say yet

real prairie
#

yeah, its a little bit worrying

#

but we will see

leaden fox
#

Also no info about any updates to the "training" side of things either 😅

real prairie
#

Updates on VP and ticketing though, popped it in the champions discussion

leaden fox
#

ah ok, had to make sure I could see the channel xD

molten oasis
#

Yes I’m not happy about it being levitate that screws it over but like, there’s bax

real prairie
#

Poor guy, whos gonna tell him

bold geode
#

Shot it in the fucking foot

leaden fox
chrome knot
#

(its satire)

real prairie
molten oasis
#

I can hope bax is good I guess

bold geode
leaden fox
#

We'll find out in due time

polar canyon
molten oasis
#

They all got kinda screwed tho

polar canyon
#

I do NOT want to be forced to run tapu fini just to counter one pokemon

bold geode
#

I think Mega Gren actually ain't that bad

polar canyon
#

What'd the others get

bold geode
#

They just kept their abilities

polar canyon
#

I don't actually know the base stats on any of them

molten oasis
#

Protean isn’t that good

bold geode
#

So Bulletproof for Chesnaught and Mega Gren kept Protean

polar canyon
bold geode
left bobcat
#

Wait is it true?

#

Champions is coming in April?

bold geode
#

At most you just have a Pokemon that wishes it's mega was its base form

polar canyon
#

There might be some cool tech with using battle bond greninja now that it's not a form change if you can trigger it and then mega evolve and get protean

bold geode
polar canyon
left bobcat
#

GASP

polar canyon
#

By running torrent

bold geode
#

Nah LOL

polar canyon
#

Not saying it's good but there might be some use case

#

Like getting to use protect without turning normal type

polar canyon
bold geode
#

Which is so funny

#

Honestly I think Game Freak realized the monstrosity they were creating

real prairie
#

because Magician is pants

bold geode
#

Either that or

  1. They thought Levitate was good
  2. They realized it can't use Magician
real prairie
#

honestly, they probably didn't even consider psyspam

#

for single player useage it gain an immunity

polar canyon
#

I mean levitate isn't bad outside of losing psyspam privileges

#

If you're using delphox for any other archetype levitate is nice I guess

#

Not that you'd use delphox for anything else

#

But yeah I think they knew

#

Actually we're talking about the same people who knew what they were doing when they made miraidon or calyrex

bold geode
molten oasis
summer shore
#

Fine game freak i will eventually buy a switch 2...

knotty mirage
#

So champions will release on april but for nintendo switch only right ?

#

The mobile release later on

molten oasis
#

Yes

summer shore
bold geode
#

Chesnaught and Greninja kept their abilities

knotty mirage
#

Nice so the fox will not break the vgc meta

molten oasis
#

Instead it’s trash

knotty mirage
#

I mean it's still gain immunity for one weakness

summer shore
knotty mirage
#

It shouldn't be that bad

molten oasis
tiny karmaBOT
molten oasis
#

Oops

tiny karmaBOT
molten oasis
#

It’s just faster but zard gets drought so it wins

knotty mirage
#

Will see tbh zard Y have 4x weakness too rock and there already plenty of drought pokemon that doesn't need mega available

#

Oh and dynamax could just ruin weather gameplan anyway

molten oasis
#

Yeah but, zard y is arguably one of the best megas

#

It’s not kang but it’s up there

rustic mountain
#

all that to get a scheduled release that doesnt even give us a date

molten oasis
#

Yep

rustic mountain
molten oasis
#

Gen 10 tho at least

rustic mountain
#

yea, presents kinda sucked for a 30th anniversary imo

molten oasis
#

True

#

It was pretty mid

rustic mountain
#

gen 10 is 2027 too hahah

knotty mirage
#

1 year head start for us too get switch 2 SadMimi

molten oasis
rustic mountain
#

yea

molten oasis
#

I want gen 10 to be good

rustic mountain
#

it does look good

molten oasis
#

I DO HAVE TO BUY A SWITCH 2 NOW

rustic mountain
#

unfortunately was always gna b the case eventually

molten oasis
#

It’s $500 man that’s a lot of money

rustic mountain
#

w/ them moving flagship games to switch 2 only

knotty mirage
#

It is inevitable

molten oasis
#

I’ll figure it out

rustic mountain
#

i just got mine for lza

#

figured id need to get it anyway at some point

molten oasis
#

I got a while at least

rustic mountain
#

a year

molten oasis
#

I’m surprised we only got the starters

#

I thought they would have shown the box arts

rustic mountain
#

eh they keep things pretty close to their chest for new releases

molten oasis
#

It’ll probably be the next thing

rustic mountain
#

well get it yea next or like after that

molten oasis
#

Kyogre power creep is inevitable now

rustic mountain
#

prolly 2-3 more trailers b4 its release

molten oasis
#

There is no way the waves box art isn’t a water type

#

Winds a flying type I’d imagine

warm estuary
#

I love discounts

molten oasis
rustic mountain
molten oasis
rustic mountain
#

they could do dragons again

#

one is more wind element the other is water, idk

molten oasis
#

That’s a fair point

lofty tartan
#

Fairies xD

molten oasis
#

I like when it’s dragons but I want smth else

rustic mountain
#

i think ur right its prolly a water type, just floating the idea it doesnt have to be

molten oasis
#

Yo 2 fairies would be fire tho

lofty tartan
#

Dual typed milk_shrug

molten oasis
#

Water fairy restricted legend!

rustic mountain
#

for the box arts

lofty tartan
#

I don't think so Thonk

molten oasis
#

Terapagos(?)

#

Otherwise no I think they’ve always been dual types

waxen dock
molten oasis
#

It’ll be reg i and we’ll have to suffer through it

rustic mountain
#

we had kyogre and groudon as the last mono type pair for restricteds

summer shore
molten oasis
#

Oh it was xerneas

summer shore
#

Pairs would be the ADV duo though yes

rustic mountain
#

oh ok xern too yea more recent

#

they did a rebrand on reshiram/zekrom in gen 9 so maybe we get a kyogre rebrand

dense latch
#

im getting lugia ho-oh vibes

#

skies and the sea

summer shore
#

Technically you could argue groudon kyogre is just a hooh lugia rebrand

#

Oh i was beaten to the jump

left bobcat
#

Did we really just get sobble and rowlet 2.0?

forest arrow
#

They better not mess Sobble 2.0 up because inteleon is absolute cheeks

polar canyon
#

Don't diss my guy inteleon

#

That guy has functional finger guns

#

Do you know how cool that is

mighty stump
#

Anyways POKEMON CHAMPIONS APRIL FOR MY BIRTHDAY

polar canyon
#

My sleek secret agent lizard buddy

mighty stump
polar canyon
#

I'm hoping so

#

We don't know yet

foggy lodge
mighty stump
#

Im excited for the new evos

#

see how outrageous it may be

foggy lodge
#

I hope the dog gets fake out and intimidate and parting shot and will o wisp and helping hand

#

Actually intimidate would be cool neo arcanine

polar canyon
#

I hope the dog stands on 2 legs

#

Just to spite people who are hoping it doesn't

mighty stump
foggy lodge
#

Tofu did you see the Kalos starters megas abilities

mighty stump
#

Where did we get Abilities

foggy lodge
#

They released some champions screenshots and showed the abilities

mighty stump
#

Give me ur leak resources I’ll need them for blogs on April

#

send nao

#

DM

foggy lodge
#

Only of those three

#

Its official so I can just send it here

mighty stump
#

SICK

foggy lodge
#

And its in japanese but they are bulletproof, levitate and protean

mighty stump
#

Levitate is

#

Kinda wild

#

No more Psyspam but no more Ground weak

foggy lodge
#

They killed psyspam Delphox

mighty stump
#

Bulletproof lame

foggy lodge
#

And like I wouldn't think its necessarily bad that its levitate but Charizard Y also exists so

#

Idk where you would prefer Delphox over Chari Y

mighty stump
#

uh

#

For the aesthetic

foggy lodge
#

For the aura

mighty stump
#

Chesnaught tho

foggy lodge
#

But I think this means that most megas are just keeping their base abilities

mighty stump
#

Anyways guys Tofu will be back in the next 1-2 months

mighty stump
#

Wouldn’t Mega Evolving re-trigger Intim? Not sure how that works

#

I’m gonna have to do a refresher

foggy lodge
#

Yeah it would activate again

#

Double intimidate turn 1 ig

polar canyon
#

I'm unsure wether or not giving delphox levitate was a conscious decision just to prevent a psyspam monster

#

Because in recent years game freak is very open to releasing very broken pokemon

#

Why stop now

mighty stump
#

Cuz was Delphox REAALLY broken in the first place?

#

But i mean there is that very weak mindgame w regards to Levitate if they rlly wanna run it

#

meh

polar canyon
#

Delphox as is isn't broken

#

I think it's more of a precaution

#

Because delphox with 130 speed and 160 spatk able to psyspam might have been a bit too much ig

mighty stump
#

In b4 Incineroar anyways

polar canyon
#

Incineroar stops csr on its tracks and that didn't stop people from using it

mighty stump
#

Imagine wasting ur one mega tho

#

To get KO’d by Knock Off

polar canyon
#

Does knock get the bp boost on mega stones

brisk crater
#

Champions this april🥹

polar canyon
#

I really really hope they make as many things as possible carry over to champions from home