#competitive_discussion

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next stump
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yeah you can use life orb in that case, it's used less but it popped up here and there

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with tera electric you can deal the same damage specs does with your electric moves and you can freely do stuff like draco meteor + volt switch the next turn

vivid jungle
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WHAT IS THAT DAMAGE? 😭

left bobcat
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No bueno?

vivid jungle
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I'm not planning on playing around Miraidon anyway, even if that might be a shizo choice

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My true Star of the team is an UU sparkly four legged creature

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Wait you don't run Timid on Whimsicott if I use prankster anyway right?

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If I have Prio moves I don't need that speed, and it doesn't have any attack moves either

next stump
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some whimsicott run super bulky with covert cloak

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but if you're running focus sash, you go timid max speed

vivid jungle
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I got covert cloak so now I go 252 on Def and Hp with bold

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Makes much more sense-

stone trellis
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Orb is shit.

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Don't recommend that shit to people who don't want to stay at 1200.

next stump
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life orb had top cuts in that regulation

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being able to protect is super valuable in that format

stone trellis
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Did it have any wins?

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Because if not, it's still shit compared to the other sets.

next stump
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That is a very restrictive way of viewing the game

foggy lodge
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And the best Miraidon that performed at worlds xd

foggy lodge
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As if this wasn't a game where only one person and team wins a tournament

stone trellis
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I don't know, I just despise Lorb.

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Out of every Miraidon set I've ever faced, it seems to be the worst one by far.

next stump
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That is actually the definition of subjective

stone trellis
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I never claimed it was objectively bad.

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I just personally believe it to be Terapagos levels of fraudulent.

leaden fox
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Honestly wish that Champions would come out soon 😅

shadow wind
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I hate the olympics

warm estuary
shadow wind
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Hockey script writers got lazy

dull ibex
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cart is still reg I yeah?

warm estuary
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You shouldn’t hate them

warm estuary
dull ibex
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is swordfish still viable?

waxen dock
foggy lodge
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It made day 2 at worlds atleast

dull ibex
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Oh nice what 6

waxen dock
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<@&663761167176433665>

strange juniper
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ty

rustic mountain
dull ibex
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oh im using that six

rustic mountain
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nice

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yea thats the only day 2 zacian team

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kyogre had a bit more representation mostly cir teams

bold geode
shadow wind
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I really should've used an alt to ladder

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It really isn't as cool as when I was a Groudon alt

rustic mountain
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less then a week till potential champion news

molten oasis
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“2027 release date, you have to play SV until 2027” minus_one

molten oasis
rustic mountain
molten oasis
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Plus we need smth new

rustic mountain
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i mean jokes aside, if they didnt announce worlds 2026 would b on champions and w/ megas i think 2027 or atleast towards the end of 2026 would b very real

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but now that they did, itd have to literally be an entire wipe of the games data for them to backpedal outta that statement

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they very rarely like doin that

forest arrow
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I truthfully think they shadow drop it Friday, but I’m not trying to get anyone’s hopes up, mine definitely aren’t

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Just a feeling

rustic mountain
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well get a presumed release date and maybe a 2 min clip of more footage, thats my best case scenario

forest arrow
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I just feel like they released FRLG early so Champions doesn’t take all the spotlight but I could be wrong

rustic mountain
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best time for shadow drop has long passed imo

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wouldnt mind bein proven wrong

forest arrow
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yeah like January following Legeneds Arceus April trailer then dropping in January but it’s not a main series title so definitely see why it’s different

rustic mountain
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ppl will soon realize the old games suck now

forest arrow
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I like the old games but fair enough

rustic mountain
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or u mean champions

forest arrow
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I’m saying champs

rustic mountain
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gotcha

forest arrow
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Yeah

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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The old games are kinda ass tbh

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Like they’re fun to play through to see what the games used to be like

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But they’ve improved a lot over the years

forest arrow
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Yeah I just never replayed sword and don’t think I will, but I’ve definitely played the oldies millions of times over

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Idk maybe I’m an old head lol

molten oasis
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Sword and Shield was good because of DLC, main story sucked

rustic mountain
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i started w/ gen 1 games, i just went back to play gen 5 and gen 2 a few years ago and holy shit i couldnt even get thru a playthru

forest arrow
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Scarlet and Violet I may replay sometime in the future since the switch 2 is such a big change in Quality

rustic mountain
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just not enough to hold interest, the games r too easy or r grind capped

forest arrow
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Like Silver Gold crystal or HGSs

rustic mountain
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swsh is eh on replay, sv atleast has a good story

rustic mountain
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i did man

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hgss r so overrated its insane

molten oasis
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The jump between the 8th gym and the league is so bad

rustic mountain
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oh

molten oasis
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And Lance cheats

forest arrow
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My fav to revisit is BW2

molten oasis
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It is overrated like, the games fun just felt grindy

rustic mountain
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yea and like so many gen 2 mons bein held behind post game, it sucks

molten oasis
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It’s so stupid

rustic mountain
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most of the gen 2 gym leaders dont even use gen 2 mons

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like wat r we doin?

forest arrow
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But I do love the Qol HGSS brought to us when we were younger

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I used the shit out of that pokewalker

molten oasis
rustic mountain
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i think the older games are held up by nostalgic charm vs their actual replayability. i think some ppl like em for w/e reason and thats cool but they have so many glaring flaws i just would not opt back into. tho if they do the mew thing for frlg i might have to cop

forest arrow
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Pokewalker made it possible to get Gen 2 mons early even other starters from Gen 3 and shi

molten oasis
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I’ve never finished a gen 6 game

forest arrow
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Not being able to get cool stuff til post game will always bother me

molten oasis
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I’ve tried to run through ORAS a couple times now and I just got bored

dull ibex
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I bought a month of pokemon home

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moving everything I want in champions into home

foggy lodge
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We don't even know when champions releases or when will it have the home compatibility

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I hope it straight up releases the Pokémon Day but idk if that month is gonna last to get that

upper zealot
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pokemon home premium is so worth it ngl

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you get so much storage and it barely costs anything

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sudden remnant
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WHY NOT YOU STUPID BASTARD

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NINTENDOOOOOOOO

shadow wind
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Scream tail needed one niche

sudden remnant
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give flutter wncore

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i wanna wall csr with tera normal encore

molten oasis
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It already gets taunt

sudden remnant
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i want encore though

molten oasis
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Flutter already gets so much let’s NOT give it more

sudden remnant
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csr is yucky

molten oasis
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Could play whimsi

rustic mountain
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flipside its hp and def get lower

dull ibex
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How was mega venu historically

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I'm trying to gage if venusaur will be viable in champions

shadow wind
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It’s fat that’s for sure but it just doesn’t do enough damage

foggy lodge
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It was viable

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Not one of the best but viable

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Leech seed bot xd

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It ran like protect sludge bomb giga drain leech seed

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dull ibex
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What about gmax venu

shadow wind
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Well that guy had one of the 4 most broken moves ever made with Chlorophyll so yeah I think it’d be viable

waxen dock
sudden remnant
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hell yeah good shit gang

rustic mountain
foggy lodge
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But nah when I looked at megas results Mega Venusaur had a decent chunk of results

shadow wind
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Supposedly this was on the GC winning team

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Wait

foggy lodge
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Nah it got top 16 I think

shadow wind
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That ursaluna was on the 19th placed team sorry

foggy lodge
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GCs are not real man LOL

shadow wind
foggy lodge
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I hope this is the last SV GC

shadow wind
foggy lodge
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I think everyone is so done with GCs we are just trying to see with what items have the most common mons not won

molten oasis
rustic mountain
dense latch
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from what i heard venu worked in and out of mega

molten oasis
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Yea

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Smth like that. You’d go zard mode most of the time then rip mega venu if zard was bad for the mu

rustic mountain
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eh two mega stones seems bad

dull ibex
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I want to make a hyper offense team for vgc 2019

molten oasis
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Wait vgc 2019? Is that a restricted format?

solid frigate
dense latch
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big six had mega salamence and mega kang

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it wasn’t that popular from what i’ve seen in worlds and internats from the time but there are some teams with two megas

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but i imagine it works even better when you can still bring your second mega and just keep it in base

rather than them having their own modes

rustic mountain
molten oasis
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Which makes sense

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I probably won’t do double mega teams either, but I get why they exist

rustic mountain
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yea and like ive never done a mega format maybe ill change my tune

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just as of now, 2 mega stones seems eh for me

molten oasis
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Yeah, hopefully the next format is uh, champions

rustic mountain
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i got basically all shiny alpha megas ready to go PCdripsola

molten oasis
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Also never went shiny hunting in ZA, maybe I will? Idk

dense latch
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i still need to get the shiny charm

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at least the dlc lets me skip the 1000 battles thing

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it looks like a fun game to shiny hunt in

fleet monolith
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I would like to make a comp team around darkrai for scarlet/violet. Anyone got any ideas or advice

solid frigate
fleet monolith
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Doubles

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What format?

solid frigate
fleet monolith
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Oh damn so i cant even use mythicals rn?

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I havent played scarlet in a while

solid frigate
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Oh and Darkrai has two ways to build

Either be a honest Special Attacker or a Hater with Gravity Dark Void stuff

solid frigate
fleet monolith
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Yeah i was thinking gravity dark void too i seen it work quite well

fleet monolith
solid frigate
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In terms of VGC at least

fleet monolith
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I guess thats true yeah

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There isnt a release date for it yet tho is there

solid frigate
fleet monolith
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I hope they will, they honestly should

solid frigate
leaden fox
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Yeah, Pokémon Champions should have info on Pokémon Day, hence why they are clearly trying to announce stuff, etc before the day to free up room for the announcements xP (e.g. FRLG on NS1+2)

ocean pawn
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i know it's not hard for most but im at 1200 on bo3 reg f ladder

leaden fox
waxen dock
leaden fox
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Mind you, speaking of regionals; Seattle is next, and will be a three day event outside of IC and Worlds 😅

ocean pawn
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I’m hoping to get to 1500 at some point during this week

leaden fox
vivid jungle
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I feel like sylveon is really hard to play around with in the current meta, or at least from what I've seen people use against me and my team. It's too slow and deals too little damage without any real tactic to play around. It's also too fast for trickroom. Is it just a hopeless cause or is there a way to make it work?

leaden fox
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Yeah, many Pokemon that thrived during RegH got easily put back on the bench once RegF happened

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Heck, even mons like Sylveon, BloodLuna, Archuladon, etc have struggled due to Ogerpon, Urshifu and Flutter

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Not saying the mons cannot manage in the current meta; but not as easy

sudden remnant
leaden fox
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I do know that the "current meta" will change to a better balance once Champions drops

sudden remnant
vivid jungle
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So, my team consists of Pixilate Sylveon, Pranskter Tailwind Whimsicott, Zamazenta, Muraidon, Water Ogerpon and Incineroar... Do you see some issues in there?

leaden fox
sudden remnant
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yeah but some of these megas were definitely made better than others

vivid jungle
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Like maybe its also because I am pretty new to competitive but I think I need a slow bulky alternative for my speed build glasscanon sylv

leaden fox
leaden fox
sudden remnant
leaden fox
sudden remnant
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only thing we’re waiting on is abilities yeah

leaden fox
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If Mega Meganium gets Triage (+1 priority on healing moves) or something that reduces it's weakness damage (e.g. Filter), then I could see that doing well; but with a 4x Poison weakness atm, hard to say yet

vivid jungle
leaden fox
vivid jungle
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For example my incin is fully speed based, just to outspeed other incins and in return pretty easy to kill

leaden fox
vivid jungle
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I hate Calyrex 😭

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That guy looks so stupid oml he is my biggest nemesis

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I swore to destroy his kin

leaden fox
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I know I just ran them, plus Farigiraf, Ursaluna, Incineroar and Indeedee-F

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If you don't want to run Calyrex, you could also run Terapagos too

vivid jungle
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I don't wanna become a sith myself RowletFacepalm

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But I guess I'll have to do something or I will never beat that creature

leaden fox
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Well Lunala runs Wide Guard, so you can stop moves like Water Spout, Hyper Voice, Astral Barrage, etc

vivid jungle
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Hmmm.. from the wolfey video I watched I saw him using Lunala Kuraidon, you think I could run Lunala Miradon instead of Zamazenta and get similar results?

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The thing is Sylveon doesn't consistently deal enough damage with throat spray since it has to attack twice for that. Maybe choice specs, since my Miraidon runs life orb?

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Then I could probably also switch out protect and calm mind for something like psychic and.. what about hyper beam? If I use Pixilate and lack damage I could run hyper beam for a quick OHKO, no?

bold geode
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You basically run like Lorb or Specs on the Miraidon, and you actually run the Electric Seed on Lunala

vivid jungle
stone trellis
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Run Specs on Mirai, I promise that the ability to not die even quicker than you would as a glass cannon will matter.

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It's the most successful set for a reason and it isn't really close.

vivid jungle
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I can only run each item once right?

warm estuary
vivid jungle
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Maybe I could involve wheezing to counter some of the 'mons abilities that make my life harder?

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For example the giraffe that doesn't let me use prio moves or to stop intimidate from happening

dull ibex
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ladder is dead huh?

shadow wind
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Which one?

leaden fox
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Hm, why do I suspect that once Z-A gets Home connectivity, we'll know the abilities of the new Megas xP

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Though we need Home connectivity, not enough room in the in-game boxes xD

foggy lodge
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I hope that if champions doesn't releases the friday we atleast get the megas abilities

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So atleast we can test them in things like showdown atleast for fun

waxen dock
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I think rhey will do april-may reg i rerun

leaden fox
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I'm still suspecting we'll get Champions either out on the day as a drop; or early March

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Or it'll end up being mid-July release if it is for the Worlds (since that'll be in August xP)

leaden fox
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Imagine how too strong Mega Heatran would be if it got Earth Eater xD

molten oasis
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Real

leaden fox
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Doubt it will be, but would surprise me

molten oasis
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I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s 1, a new ability or 2, just flash fire again

leaden fox
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Very unlikely it'll be Flash Fire; since base form has it

shadow wind
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Lots of megas keep their abilities gang

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Which is why some of them are very terrible

leaden fox
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Yeah, hopefully they don't for Mega Heatran 😅

foggy lodge
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Mega Tyranitar?

molten oasis
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Ttar, uhhhh

leaden fox
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Mega Ttar may get the same ability; however, the Sp Def increase benefits it 😅

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From the Sandstorm that is

molten oasis
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Blaziken keeps speed boost

foggy lodge
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Scizor was good

leaden fox
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Yep, but that is acceptable for Blaziken

molten oasis
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Abomasnow keeps snow warning

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molten oasis
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Both lati’s keep levitate

foggy lodge
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30 speed,,,

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But it isn't that bad right

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Wait no I think its bad its ice/grass

leaden fox
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@foggy lodge Snow now boosts def by 50%

foggy lodge
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And the spa is alright ig

leaden fox
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On Ice types at least

molten oasis
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I think, uhhh

foggy lodge
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Its a good buff

molten oasis
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Medicham keeps its ability?

foggy lodge
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Maybe it sees play idk

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molten oasis
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It does ok

foggy lodge
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Yeah

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But Medicham was like eh I think

molten oasis
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Cuz mawile exists

foggy lodge
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It got second at an internats

molten oasis
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That’s it tho

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The others get new abilities, a lot of them are the normal into new type move abilities

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(Pixelate, refrigerate, aerilate)

leaden fox
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tbf, we look at some of the Megas from before end of Gen6; and we forget many of them have been either buffed as a base form, or in their Mega forms 😅

foggy lodge
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Okay I'm gonna try to search for shiny Heatran in sw/sh

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I want a shiny Mega Heatran in champions

leaden fox
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@foggy lodge Well if you need a hand, I can join xP

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As long as I ain't asleep xD

rustic mountain
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one of the easier ones to hunt atleast, the 4x weakness ones are nice

foggy lodge
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Yeah its easy

rustic mountain
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unless its zygarde

foggy lodge
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Except Zygarde but I got that by accident lmao

leaden fox
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Well, easy if you get a ground type xP

rustic mountain
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ofc

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rustic mountain
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point is its easier to get a path that has 1 mon w/ a se move vs like the calculus equation u gta solve for zygarde and kyogre etc

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lot harder to get paths for certain legends, ones that are efficient u can reset ore on consistently

warm estuary
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When champions realese I’m gonna use mega dragonite no matter the ability

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I can’t wait for champions

leaden fox
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Why do I suspect that Mega Lucario Z will get Mega Launcher 😅

rustic mountain
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multiscale + w/e seems fine i just dont think itll b super meta

warm estuary
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It’s a cute mega tho

leaden fox
rustic mountain
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i love dnite

warm estuary
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Everyone loves dnite

shadow wind
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Dnite the goat

rustic mountain
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but it also has to be good for me to use it

warm estuary
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I hope farigiraf is in champions at realese

rustic mountain
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some rain team hybrid

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otherwise 70% hurricane sucks

leaden fox
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In before Mega Dragonite gets Aerialate or Dragilate 🤣

rustic mountain
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aerilate would b very cool

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e speed turning into a flying prio move kinda scary tho if u opt for physical

leaden fox
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True

rustic mountain
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i think at the very least base dnite will b solid on some comps

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i think a lot of the new megas r tough to gauge if we dont know what mons will b allowed, abilities etc

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but off rip they dont seem good (majority)

forest arrow
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4 DAYS!!!!!

molten oasis
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Aw hell

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I’m gonna be on the road during that

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stone trellis
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VEX, NO SCHIZO MOVES

sudden remnant
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its not for vgc

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its for overworld play on a completely separate korai

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so temper flare is fire type stomping tantrum?

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i originally wanted to see if it learned false swipe for shiny hunting

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lmao koraidon learns snarl

stone trellis
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Oh.

sudden remnant
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i have 2 koraidons my story one and the shiny event one

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(oh and the ride koraidon i guess cuz i play mostly on scarlet)

solid frigate
# stone trellis Oh.

I mean at least it’s better than gamefreak giving Koraidon Flamethrower in the final battle

sudden remnant
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i love stupid and niche strats its peak entertainment

solid frigate
solid frigate
molten oasis
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Wack

stone trellis
molten oasis
stone trellis
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And if Wolfey had wheels, he'd be a racing car.

sudden remnant
sudden remnant
solid frigate
sudden remnant
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kieran dogshit champion with a cracked asf team

solid frigate
sudden remnant
stone trellis
sudden remnant
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🤨

stone trellis
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So I'd suggest studying my team for a while.

solid frigate
sudden remnant
solid frigate
sudden remnant
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but it learns wtf is it called Aqua cutter?

molten oasis
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It could run aqua cutter

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But you often go psycho slash, sacred sword, then a couple choices between wide guard, tr, or protect

solid frigate
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I think it’s Peli Archaludon BM Ursa Electabuzz Gallade Greninja

molten oasis
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Just cuz you can doesn’t mean you should

sudden remnant
molten oasis
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that’s not the point I was trying to get across

sudden remnant
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😛

solid frigate
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This one

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Nova basically built all of it but I just get some minor stuff in

sudden remnant
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chat how do we feel about wild charge koraidon

solid frigate
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And since Gallade is the one having Wide Guard I can play Protect

solid frigate
sudden remnant
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yeah but like

solid frigate
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No

molten oasis
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No

sudden remnant
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yes

stone trellis
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Please tell Vex that using CSR-Zama is his only chance at actually beating me.

molten oasis
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You obliterate kyogre regardless

stone trellis
molten oasis
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You don’t need coverage

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Most restricteds just run their stabs and set up or utility

sudden remnant
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i wanna be silly

stone trellis
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Vex, shut up.

molten oasis
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why else would you run wild charge on a koraidon???

sudden remnant
molten oasis
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I guess you succeeded

sudden remnant
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see theres method to my madnesss

foggy lodge
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There's layers to ts

stone trellis
sudden remnant
stone trellis
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No, it would just make you seem like the idiot you are

sudden remnant
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oh noooo i found a fork in the kitchen AdoShocked

solid frigate
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This smells like bitch in here

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sudden remnant
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hm

shadow wind
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Me when I run that dragon tail Miraidon with stealth rocks Ting Lu

sudden remnant
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sounds fun (no tf it doesnt)

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WHY EVEN BOTHER GIVING MIRAI MIRROR COAT

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why does korai learn meteor beam and mirai doesnt

shadow wind
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Lots of mons get counter and mirror coat

rustic mountain
shadow wind
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Also Miraidon with Meteor beam would probably still be worse than specs

rustic mountain
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yea neither benefit from it anyway for it to matter

shadow wind
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It getting u turn is way too good

sudden remnant
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i need meteor beam 🙁

shadow wind
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Not a fan of Miraidon having u turn

sudden remnant
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power gem is not gonna cut it

rustic mountain
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heres a thought, ur miraidon doesnt need rock coverage

shadow wind
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So real

rustic mountain
sudden remnant
shadow wind
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Bro HATES Volcarona

rustic mountain
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then hav fun w/ power gem peepoglad

sudden remnant
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no its to fight pauls tera fire CIR

shadow wind
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Pretty sure electro drift does more anyway

sudden remnant
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rock lets me hit it both before AND after tera

shadow wind
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130 BP + stab

rustic mountain
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yea e drift is nuts

shadow wind
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195 vs 160

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And meteor beam is a one time use anyway

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Pretty much a gem boosted move

rustic mountain
shadow wind
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Just run specs with helping hand

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Guarantee kills every CIR I believe

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I think if Miraidon didn’t have u turn it wouldn’t be Ubers

sudden remnant
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i calced agianst his horse it drops

shadow wind
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You get to use it once

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All it takes is one protect or a redirection

sudden remnant
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shadow wind
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It’s why Lunala teams need a backup Incin answer

rustic mountain
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u accounted for that but not that it doesnt get meteor beam which btw it doesnt so wat r we even talkin about haha

sudden remnant
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that im fucking cooked

shadow wind
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Mbeam is awesome and does so much damage but a switch out, a protect, redirection or even a miss now means you would be in an extremely losing position

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I remember running Lunala Groudon and man that Ho oh MU fried me

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One mbeam misplay and the game was over

sudden remnant
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id love to use hooh if the horse wasn’t specifically tera fire

shadow wind
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Wait so you have his OTS?

rustic mountain
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e drift is better anyway u just have to either position more effectively or rethink team choice. its either u or the team (or both)

sudden remnant
shadow wind
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You have such a huge advantage I’m sure you’ll find something

sudden remnant
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hes very confident i wont win so he just gave me the ots

shadow wind
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When we played he didn’t offer ots 😔

sudden remnant
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yeah

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i also gotta find a way to reveal as little as possible in game one 🫠

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im not skilled enough for that, chat

shadow wind
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Eh, no one is “not skilled enough for this chat”

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Kinda the whole point of this chat existing

sudden remnant
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punctuation was important in that sentence

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my fault

shadow wind
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Nah you good, understandable mistake

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Punctuation and online communication don’t necessary go hand in hand

sudden remnant
#

anyways i hope i can find a strat to hide as much as possible in game 1

shadow wind
#

Double final gambit lead, never fails

sudden remnant
#

final gambit into perish trap

shadow wind
#

CSR partnered with Tera normal explosion Eleki

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Protosynthesis and quark drive killed Eleki

sudden remnant
#

is it a hot take to say i like protosynthesis and quark drive more that orichalcum pulse and hadron engine

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photosynthesis and quark drive let me choose what stat i eant boosted

shadow wind
#

I mean they’re very similar

sudden remnant
#

orichalcum pulse and HadronEngine dont give me that versatility

shadow wind
#

I think that’s a good thing for a restricted

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Imagine speed booster specs Miraidon

sudden remnant
#

meanwhile even in a restricted meta bolt as a disgusting pokemon 😭

foggy lodge
#

Calm mind bolt is so gross that it was used even in restricted formats

shadow wind
#

Yeah cause he’s the goat

foggy lodge
#

Btw

sudden remnant
foggy lodge
#

My Ting-Lu jus survived an icicle crash + earth power double up from Pao and Landorus to KO both with EQ

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🤠

shadow wind
#

Thank god I’m playing Reg I

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My goat Groudon would never let such misery happen in his games

sudden remnant
#

double misses precipice blades

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would be genuine crashout material i wont lie

shadow wind
#

Nah we would’ve mad died to the icicle crash and ep

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Meh it happens

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I know what I signed up for so there isn’t really any point in getting tilted over it

rustic mountain
foggy lodge
#

I guess Ting-Lu is just the cooler ground type

sudden remnant
#

bro in the gc i double missed play rough and hurricane and instantly lost the game

foggy lodge
#

But Groudon actually does damage so

tiny karmaBOT
sudden remnant
shadow wind
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None of his stats are bad

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Underspeeding 50 can be huge

foggy lodge
#

The Ting-Lu of this team is 67 speed

sudden remnant
#

yk what i have to say to ting lu?

shadow wind
foggy lodge
#

Vessel of ruin lmao

sudden remnant
shadow wind
#

Vessel of ruin gives bro like effective 130 spdef

sudden remnant
#

doesnt tinglu drop physical attack

shadow wind
#

No

tiny karmaBOT
foggy lodge
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Vessel of ruin drops spa by 25%

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So boost it by 25%

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100 spd ig idk

shadow wind
#

It gets more complicated with evs and nature

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It’s like how pure power is better than a 2x to the atk base stat

sudden remnant
#

huge power mega mawile 🗣️ 🔥

foggy lodge
#

Yea

shadow wind
#

But yeah his effective spdef is still huge

#

It’s why he’s the ultimate Miraidon CSR counter

sudden remnant
#

if only he had a special attack stat to use his own ability offensively

shadow wind
#

Huh?

sudden remnant
#

55 SpA is awful

shadow wind
#

Bro does NOT have beads of ruin

foggy lodge
#

But why would you want to attack with spa with ting-lu

shadow wind
#

That’s what I’m sayin

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Lowkey AV Ting Lu goes crazy in Reg I

sudden remnant
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if.
he.
had.
a.
special.
attack.
stat.
he.
could.
use.
the.
spD drop.
from.
his.
ability.
offensively.
by.
hitting.
specially.

shadow wind
#

Twin

foggy lodge
#

twin

sudden remnant
#

vroski

shadow wind
#

He drops Special Attack

foggy lodge
#

Vessel of ruin doesn't drop spd

sudden remnant
shadow wind
#

Correct

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We are not in Gen 1 anymore it isn’t just a special stat

sudden remnant
#

omg lmao. i apologize gang you right why the fuck am i thinking of the fish

shadow wind
#

Special attack ≠ special defence

sudden remnant
#

the fish haunts me

foggy lodge
#

I mean it has used snarl

sudden remnant
#

christopher yusef haunts me

foggy lodge
#

To drop spa even more

shadow wind
#

Av Ting next to Ho oh 😔

sudden remnant
foggy lodge
#

Hell nah

shadow wind
#

I’d run it

foggy lodge
#

Ultimate Zama CSR killer

shadow wind
#

If I wasn’t Groudon pilled

sudden remnant
#

the only gen 9 restricteds i’ve enjoyed using so far are the bikes and the doggo

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and white kyruem but the team is all reliant on each other and it takes too much effort

shadow wind
#

Dogs are Gen 8?

sudden remnant
#

yeah

shadow wind
#

No I’m not asking if that’s true I’m asking if you were calling them Gen 9

sudden remnant
#

no

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the only resitricteds in gen 9 my fault i said it backwards

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were the bikes and the doggos

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zacian kyogre was really fun

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except play rough misses ofc

shadow wind
#

I don’t get why play rough is so terrible but moon blast is so incredible

foggy lodge
#

Is a literal upgrade on everything

sudden remnant
#

special attacking propaganda

shadow wind
#

Whole special category needs to be nerfed

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I’m fine with the physical moves being high risk high reward

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Like flare blitz or headlong rush

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But special moves shouldn’t be medium reward no risk

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For every Overheat = Flare blitz there needs to be an equivalent to Flamethrower

molten oasis
#

Like why can’t play rough literally just be the physical moonblast

shadow wind
#

Or why did Zacian need a steel signature move

#

Iron head is toxic and would’ve been funny

sudden remnant
#

LITERALLY

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why wasnt its signature move fairy 🥀 they robbed us

shadow wind
#

Body press is pretty much Zamas signature move so it would’ve worked

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Also give us special body press

foggy lodge
shadow wind
#

Was body press really made in Gen 8?

foggy lodge
#

Yep

shadow wind
#

Jeez

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Feels like it’d be older

#

I’m just so excited for things to not be able to Tera anymore

#

Screw you Tera grass Zama and Kyogre

sudden remnant
sudden remnant
#

bolt/mirai who?

#

never heard of ‘em

shadow wind
#

Ferrothorn will handle them

foggy lodge
#

That's until Miraidon decides to click dazzling gleam

foggy lodge
#

SV dexit was a misery

sudden remnant
shadow wind
#

Imagine AV Koraidon with Cherrim

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Might live a fairy move

#

A non specs non booster Flutter Dgleam

rustic mountain
dull ibex
#

what is the best hyper offense team rn

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for reg i

shadow wind
#

Reg I hasn’t really had any developments so whatever was a HO at worlds I guess

dull ibex
#

I would look myself but idr know how to identify an ho team

shadow wind
#

Tailwind

dull ibex
#

tbf not every tw team is going to be HO

shadow wind
#

There’s never a specific “rule” to HO teams

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They explode things fast

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Reg I didn’t really have that cause TR isn’t really HO

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70% of Reg I teams had a TR option

dull ibex
#

🤔 fair

rustic mountain
#

obviously can become more nuanced but thats the main objective

shadow wind
#

So TR teams can be HO but they aren’t true HO

dull ibex
#

is that sword fish team HO?

shadow wind
#

I’d say so

dull ibex
#

im just asking because im incredibly rusty and want something not as sophisicated as balance

shadow wind
#

Meh Reg I is Reg I

dull ibex
#

not that ho can't be

rustic mountain
#

which swordfish team

dull ibex
shadow wind
#

People on the Reg I ladder aren’t trying their absolute hardest they kinda just wanna have fun

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Until you hit like top 150 or so

rustic mountain
#

it fits a ho mold

shadow wind
#

So you don’t need the greatest team of all time

rustic mountain
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u hav 1 defensive piece in shroom but otherwise ur team is catered towards offense overall

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thats the markings of what makes a team fit into an archetype, what is it trying to do and what do these pieces do to achieve that

shadow wind
#

And even Shroom is fine on HO cause you just bring him in when something dies then have free damage from your other mon

dull ibex
#

I tried vgc 2019

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but those teams are NOT HO lmao

rustic mountain
#

no dynamic speed ho wasnt really the same

shadow wind
#

Yeah dynamic speed made HO way more viable

dull ibex
#

I forgot there wasn't dynamic speed tbh

shadow wind
#

But yeah super HO teams don’t really exist in Reg I either

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I guess Koraidon CSR actually

rustic mountain
shadow wind
#

Urshifu without dynamic speed would be a scarf merchant

dull ibex
#

I don't need tournament winning I just need something good enough to help me win to masterball and maybe higher then that

rustic mountain
#

still would be very strong

rustic mountain
shadow wind
#

Absolutely, there’s no way to make that Mon not amazing

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But he is a big dynamic speed enjoyer

rustic mountain
#

most things are

dull ibex
#

then the issue is my playing

shadow wind
rustic mountain
#

id say maybe try another team out, maybe ur just not vibing w/ that kinda playstyle

#

it is ho but non prankster tw certainly can make it different

shadow wind
#

Then yeah bo1 cts

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It pretty much clowns on Miraidon with that set 100% of the time

dull ibex
#

feel free to reccomend a six ill look into it 🙂

rustic mountain
#

conner just talks in sd terminology

shadow wind
#

I mean it’s the same thing

#

Carts always been bo1 cts

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Cart ladder anyway

rustic mountain
#

see if anything jumps out to u, ud know more wat ur familiar w/

rustic mountain
shadow wind
#

CIR Miraidon teams seem easier to pilot

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Or CIR Kyogre

dull ibex
#

ice rider?

shadow wind
#

Yeah

dull ibex
#

what does ice rider do there

rustic mountain
#

u serious?

shadow wind
#

Bro hasn’t heard of the goat

#

Bro can walk on water as far as I’m concerned

rustic mountain
#

ice covers grass weakness, rain covers fire weakness, and u can speed sandwich ur opponent between the 2 (lesser extent of boltbeam)

rustic mountain
#

bro just dunks on u otherwise

shadow wind
#

Hate that guy

dull ibex
shadow wind
#

CIR Kyogre Lando is my worst MU

dull ibex
#

does ice rider go off calyrex evs and ivs or glastrier?

rustic mountain
#

calyrex

dull ibex
#

thats a shame

rustic mountain
#

y

dull ibex
#

alright i just won't be building this in cart no worries

rustic mountain
#

?

#

u can run 31 speed iv cir dude its ok

#

just know u wont outspeed certain things in tr generally

dull ibex
#

I just remembered my caly is built for shadow rider

#

so its not a big deal

rustic mountain
#

ohhh i have 2 calyrexs for that reason

dull ibex
#

im fresh out of resources on cart

#

I sold my copy of shield

rustic mountain
#

damn

shadow wind
rustic mountain
#

no u just dont own swsh

feral valley
#

I haven't played in the ladder in a while so I looked up what regulation it currently is and Google told me reg F so I cooked up a reg F team, took time and made the whole thing, then queued a game only to go against a calyrex shadow and a kyogre...

dull ibex
#

what about this six is this easier to pilot

rustic mountain
shadow wind
rustic mountain
#

which is double restricted

feral valley
#

I had no clue till it was too late

rustic mountain
#

irl tours are reg f

feral valley
#

I have no chance w that team ughh

rustic mountain
#

its confusing

feral valley
#

yea...

rustic mountain
#

i brought this up recently as why they shouldnt do split format

shadow wind
feral valley
#

would they go bCk to reg F for ranked?

#

reg F is peak

shadow wind
#

I can’t play restricted teams that don’t include Groudon but that doesn’t mean they’re bad teams

shadow wind
rustic mountain
#

i mean like i said irl tours are reg f, for cart, not likely. weve had split formats the last 2 id imagine if we do get another sv format itll b no different

#

most of us are hoping for champions as the next released format

feral valley
rustic mountain
#

aware

#

hence hope, not that itll happen

shadow wind
#

Don’t need to tell Tree that…

foggy lodge
rustic mountain
#

depends, wat is it

foggy lodge
#

This is something they send to people after regionals I think

#

Play Pokemon you are a very funny organization

rustic mountain
#

0 100 times over

#

how would that b a benefit

foggy lodge
rustic mountain
#

?

foggy lodge
#

I wanted to do something but discord didn't make it work nvm

rustic mountain
#

oh lmao

foggy lodge
#

But yeah I think the question is like

#

Idk is super bad is like "we don't really know what to do so please just say you are fine with not having a ladder"

rustic mountain
#

do u think its beneficial to not be able to practice in game consistently for upcoming tournaments?

shadow wind
#

I only own a lot of Groudons

rustic mountain
#

conner doesnt own swsh

foggy lodge
#

I think there has always been a secret relationship between VGC and showdown

shadow wind
#

I own shield 😭

#

What is this propaganda

rustic mountain
#

and u didnt get calyrex?

#

🤨

shadow wind
#

I think I did when it came out but I might've deleted my save file cause I wanted to replay it and then never did crown tundra a second time

rustic mountain
rustic mountain
#

y not just do an alt profile tho

foggy lodge
#

But yeah I hope with champions we never get a situation like this again

rustic mountain
#

or move it into home first

foggy lodge
#

The funniest part is that eveything in the circuit feels broken and tournaments are still breaking records lmao

rustic mountain
#

yep

#

really just shows the games growth is mostly due to everything but them

foggy lodge
#

Fr

sudden remnant
#

do we know how many people registered in the gc this past weekend

foggy lodge
#

We like Pokémon not TPCi lol

rustic mountain
#

p sure gc #s been decreasing

foggy lodge
#

Yeah I think it was 2000 something?

sudden remnant
#

i placed somewhere in the 3k range so thats not possible

#

probably didnt help i just quit day 1 lmao

#

i hate Reg Bolt, sorry i mean Reg Bolt, sorry i mean reg F, i mean Bolt, literally the same fucking thing

sudden remnant
#

i was way way at the bottom for sure

rustic mountain
#

nah im sure there was more then 3k ppl im just kidding

#

its multiple regions competing prolly like 6-8k id say

#

at this point in svs life

foggy lodge
#

It still shows the decay of players

#

Considering GCs were at some point hitting like 40k

shadow wind
#

Shows how easy mons is

sudden remnant
#

it doesnt help it was the least expressive regulation of all of them bro

#

its the same 10 pokemon everywhere

#

wheres the mf who won a regional with a ribombee when you need them

shadow wind
#

I mean Maya got #1 on ladder with Ribombee once

#

I miss having the goat around 😔

foggy lodge
sudden remnant
#

you were an inspiration and you became the root of the evil 😔

foggy lodge
#

Its just reg F that doesn't allow those type of mons to exist

#

And reg H was a super low power format

sudden remnant
#

its boring and repetitive

#

i need my hero back bring back regional winning ribombee

shadow wind
#

I need my goat Maya back on the ladder 😔

sudden remnant
#

and then theres reg i where if you arent using a bike a dog or a god of land or sea your basically bricking your entire game

#

this shit sucks

shadow wind
#

Bro just listed 8 restricteds

#

And don't you EVER say my goat is carrying ANYONE

sudden remnant
sudden remnant
#

the fucking horses…

shadow wind
#

That's just how restricted formats work gang

sudden remnant
#

JUST GIVE ME BASE FUCKING GLASTRIER

#

TPCI I HATE YOU

shadow wind
#

If you don't use a restricted then you aren't playing to the format...

sudden remnant
#

id use glastrier in reg F if i wasnt already sick of the repititon of the same pokemon on every single team

#

wheres the variety wheres the spice

#

can we go back to reg B 🫩

shadow wind
#

I just wanna go back to real Reg I

foggy lodge
#

I remember that a Drednaw top 4'd a regional once

shadow wind
#

Goat

foggy lodge
#

But it was reg A

sudden remnant
#

see what i mean

rustic mountain
#

no

shadow wind
#

I don't think more viable mons = more fun in a format

rustic mountain
#

bingo

shadow wind
#

Taking these one off examples also doesn't prove that Reg A was more fun

#

When I look at a team I look at how it was made not entirely the mons that made it

#

Team building is so incredibly hard

rustic mountain
#

its a fine line b/w a format being too centralizing and not centralizing enough. good formats somehow strike a balance

shadow wind
#

I'm a fan of intricate teams but that doesn't mean that simple teams are bad in any way

sudden remnant
#

i just hate seeing the same mons every where i look

shadow wind
#

2017 world champ team

#

From an outsiders perspective this is my favourite worlds team

rustic mountain
#

which one is that

sudden remnant
#

i cant wait for champions i want mawile

shadow wind
#

2017 worlds

#

2024 worlds team

#

You see these mons everywhere

#

Simplistic in its design but there's nothing wrong with it

#

I've gotten bored of saying "I hate seeing Bolt everywhere" or "It's the same 10 mons re-arranged"

#

Instead I'm now trying to separate the mons from the team

rustic mountain
#

ur comparing a regional dex format to restricted

shadow wind
#

Point still stands

rustic mountain
#

also whims is on both teams jordanlaugh

shadow wind
#

I find both teams very interesting

#

Whims is just too goated

#

Also fairly similar teams

#

E terrain with Whims

#

Might be all the similarities

rustic mountain
#

urshifu is tapu fini sure ofc

shadow wind
#

Hearthflame is just A-Marowak

rustic mountain
#

lmao

shadow wind
#

I can't even relate the others

#

Hands is Celesteela because Paradox = ub

rustic mountain
#

whats krookodile

shadow wind
#

Krookodile I'm sorry 😔

rustic mountain
#

damn

shadow wind
#

Guy is nothing

#

Other than the goat

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
#

Oh nah

rustic mountain
#

im literally hunting shiny alpha raichu rn lol

sudden remnant
#

i wish it learned energy ball

#

grass knot is too situational

shadow wind
#

Who is this hitting anyway

tiny karmaBOT
shadow wind
#

90 spatk 😔

sudden remnant
#

lightning rod:

rustic mountain
#

its a support mon

rustic mountain
#
  • b4 power creep
sudden remnant
#

and nuzzle and fake out obviously

foggy lodge
#

Is as tree says good formats need to strike a balance where you can experiment with stuff and have niche picks be viable but a format where really too much is viable is 1. Impossible and 2. Too hard to prepare

#

Also too much variety weakens meta calls which means is harder to bring new stuff

shadow wind
#

Reg I was great

#

Restricted formats allow that I guess

foggy lodge
#

The most interesting team I saw from reg I was a Miraidon Pagos team

shadow wind
#

E seed Pagos?

sudden remnant
#

i wanna use umbreon but the problem is forcing it to work in 2026 🫩

foggy lodge
shadow wind
#

Yup

#

Exact team I was thinking of

foggy lodge
#

Sinistcha and Valiant were very niche picks

sudden remnant
#

valiant is goated i love iron valiant

shadow wind
#

I think people eventually subbed Valiant out for Urshifu

foggy lodge
#

Yeah cuz the team needed a bit more damage

shadow wind
#

Also the team lost 6-0 to Volc

foggy lodge
#

But Valiant was cool cuz it also could kinda solve or help into the Zama-Mirai MU

shadow wind
#

Was Zama Mirai even that common?

foggy lodge
foggy lodge
#

It existed but it wasn't like something you'd see as common as Mirai CIR

shadow wind
#

I wish I full sent the Groudon Miraidon stuff a little more

sudden remnant
shadow wind
#

Imagine specs tera electric discharge

#

"It's never too late" I hear as I look at the builder

sudden remnant
foggy lodge
#

You have to create 10 alts of Miraidon Groudon and get all of them in top 30

shadow wind
#

Too hard 😔

foggy lodge
#

So then people start preparing against Miraidon Groudon

foggy lodge
shadow wind
sudden remnant
#

could zacian mirai work 😔

#

i mean “work” quite loosely

shadow wind
#

Had this in the builder

#

Looks like it would work

foggy lodge
#

That's a u turn bundle

shadow wind
#

Sure is

#

It breaks shadow shield

foggy lodge
#

"sorry Bundle I have to sacrifice you to heal Miraidon"

shadow wind
#

So true

rustic mountain
sudden remnant
shadow wind
#

Looking at this team more I actually am kinda digging how it looks

molten oasis
#

I have been summoned

shadow wind
#

Eseed volc for CIR

molten oasis
#

It will never be as good as zama mirai, but it can work

#

Mirai works as an incin nuke for zacian

#

Zacian helps with other Mirai and CIR for your Mirai

#

Tr sucks for you tho

#

And I like playing scarf Mirai with Fari to help kinda mitigate that

shadow wind
#

Sub Zacian is better into it

sudden remnant
foggy lodge
#

Zacian Miraidon Farigiraf Ursaluna

molten oasis
shadow wind
#

True

molten oasis
#

Physical or special Ursa?

foggy lodge
#

Regular

molten oasis
#

Hmmmmmm, I may yoink this idea

sudden remnant
foggy lodge
#

I think reg I allowed for some of the most interesting sets on restricteds

molten oasis
shadow wind
#

Bro wants 6 niche mons

sudden remnant
foggy lodge
#

Scarf Miraidon, eseed pagos, electric seed Lunala, lefties CIR

sudden remnant
molten oasis
#

You don’t like anything dude

foggy lodge
#

The innovations on restricteds were cool

molten oasis
foggy lodge
#

Yeah but that was since reg G

molten oasis
#

Or the fairy SD set but I saw both

#

Oh that’s true

sudden remnant
#

tera ground also lets mirai click discharge or parabolic charge

molten oasis
#

Eeeeehhhhh

#

You could do that but idt that’s all that good

shadow wind
#

Bro just play Groudon at that point 😭

molten oasis
#

I like snarl on scarf Mirai

shadow wind
molten oasis
#

Helps with CSR

shadow wind
#

Parabolic charge is more for AV

molten oasis
#

Or calm mind

foggy lodge
#

The problem with Zac Mirai is that you kinda need scarf cuz otherwise Zama CSR farms you

molten oasis
shadow wind
molten oasis
#

Like I think scarf Mirai is really fun anyway

foggy lodge
#

I wish Miraidon wasn't locked on 2 teras ngl lol

molten oasis
#

Specs Mirai with Zac just objectively doesn’t work

molten oasis
foggy lodge
#

Its always either electric or fairy

shadow wind
#

Tera dragon draco !!!

sudden remnant
molten oasis
#

Hell nah

foggy lodge
#

ghost won a regional in México but

#

It was a small regional

shadow wind
#

WHAT???

sudden remnant
shadow wind
#

Never would have guessed

molten oasis
#

Used Zac all of restricted

molten oasis
shadow wind
#

Not my profile picture

foggy lodge
#

Guys guess my favourite mon

shadow wind
#

🤪

molten oasis
#

Scream tail

sudden remnant
#

You will never guess mine

shadow wind
#

Frick wrong emoji

foggy lodge
#

true!!!

shadow wind
#

😝

molten oasis
shadow wind
#

I think I knew that

#

All I'm saying is that if you were to look at a random message of mine there's like a 20% chance you'd know I was a Groudon fan

foggy lodge
shadow wind
#

100% of your messages show you're a Zacian fan

#

Which isn't a bad thing

foggy lodge
#

Snorunt, Gligar, Gliscor, Gible

shadow wind
#

I think if anything having a strong affinity for a specific mon is a good thing

foggy lodge
#

Pikachu is actually one of my favourites though it sounds super basic

#

But having Pikachu as your favourite also goes like full circle cuz its so popular that no one wants to have it as their favourite

shadow wind
#

Also lots of merch

#

Groudon has lots of merch but I own almost nothing of him

foggy lodge
#

This one is cute

shadow wind
#

He's so epic

#

Man I love Groudon

foggy lodge
#

I want this one

sudden remnant
#

would it be worth anything whatsoever to not use crown zacian so i can have iron head instead of bblade

foggy lodge
#

I have nothing of Galar what could be more british than Geezing

molten oasis
#

Fr