#competitive_discussion
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with tera electric you can deal the same damage specs does with your electric moves and you can freely do stuff like draco meteor + volt switch the next turn
WHAT IS THAT DAMAGE? 😭
No bueno?
I'm not planning on playing around Miraidon anyway, even if that might be a shizo choice
My true Star of the team is an UU sparkly four legged creature
Wait you don't run Timid on Whimsicott if I use prankster anyway right?
If I have Prio moves I don't need that speed, and it doesn't have any attack moves either
some whimsicott run super bulky with covert cloak
but if you're running focus sash, you go timid max speed
life orb had top cuts in that regulation
being able to protect is super valuable in that format
That is a very restrictive way of viewing the game
It was the variant to top 8 worlds
And the best Miraidon that performed at worlds xd
Why do people only focus on what wins xd?
As if this wasn't a game where only one person and team wins a tournament
I don't know, I just despise Lorb.
Out of every Miraidon set I've ever faced, it seems to be the worst one by far.
That is actually the definition of subjective
I never claimed it was objectively bad.
I just personally believe it to be Terapagos levels of fraudulent.
Honestly wish that Champions would come out soon 😅
I hate the olympics
Why😭
Hockey script writers got lazy
cart is still reg I yeah?
Yes
is swordfish still viable?
Ranked
Oh nice what 6
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oh im using that six
nice
yea thats the only day 2 zacian team
kyogre had a bit more representation mostly cir teams
Missed the one in the rentals, but I got it
I really should've used an alt to ladder
It really isn't as cool as when I was a Groudon alt
less then a week till potential champion news
“2027 release date, you have to play SV until 2027” 
Shush
I'm shitting on your porch
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen9vgc2026regi-2545120283-fviks3bk2n3vbaegsghnoumfxgwjyt6pw maybe I don’t hate using Calyrex
Watch a replay of a Pokémon battle between DrayDrago123 and nazarick99_new! Format: [Gen 9] VGC 2026 Reg I; Date: Feb 22, 2026
i think even if champions is held together by duct tape well get it by worlds otherwise theyd have to backpedal and they wont

Well yeah I think we have to have champions this year
Plus we need smth new
i mean jokes aside, if they didnt announce worlds 2026 would b on champions and w/ megas i think 2027 or atleast towards the end of 2026 would b very real
but now that they did, itd have to literally be an entire wipe of the games data for them to backpedal outta that statement
they very rarely like doin that
I truthfully think they shadow drop it Friday, but I’m not trying to get anyone’s hopes up, mine definitely aren’t
Just a feeling

well get a presumed release date and maybe a 2 min clip of more footage, thats my best case scenario
I just feel like they released FRLG early so Champions doesn’t take all the spotlight but I could be wrong
Until they announce gen 10
yeah like January following Legeneds Arceus April trailer then dropping in January but it’s not a main series title so definitely see why it’s different
frlg would not take spotlight away from champions lmao thats a sorry ass release
ppl will soon realize the old games suck now

I like the old games but fair enough
legends are main series
or u mean champions
I’m saying champs
gotcha
Yeah
idk man its like after gettin qol changes from the new games the old games pale in comparison, they r cool for like 2 seconds nd then ur like oh this games grindy af
The old games are kinda ass tbh
Like they’re fun to play through to see what the games used to be like
But they’ve improved a lot over the years
Yeah I just never replayed sword and don’t think I will, but I’ve definitely played the oldies millions of times over
Idk maybe I’m an old head lol
Sword and Shield was good because of DLC, main story sucked
i started w/ gen 1 games, i just went back to play gen 5 and gen 2 a few years ago and holy shit i couldnt even get thru a playthru
Scarlet and Violet I may replay sometime in the future since the switch 2 is such a big change in Quality
just not enough to hold interest, the games r too easy or r grind capped
Like Silver Gold crystal or HGSs
swsh is eh on replay, sv atleast has a good story
HGSS dude
The jump between the 8th gym and the league is so bad
oh
And Lance cheats
My fav to revisit is BW2
It is overrated like, the games fun just felt grindy
yea and like so many gen 2 mons bein held behind post game, it sucks
It’s so stupid
The grind sucks too, the leveling is just awful in gen 2
But I do love the Qol HGSS brought to us when we were younger
I used the shit out of that pokewalker
i think the older games are held up by nostalgic charm vs their actual replayability. i think some ppl like em for w/e reason and thats cool but they have so many glaring flaws i just would not opt back into. tho if they do the mew thing for frlg i might have to cop
Pokewalker made it possible to get Gen 2 mons early even other starters from Gen 3 and shi
I’ve never finished a gen 6 game
Not being able to get cool stuff til post game will always bother me
I’ve tried to run through ORAS a couple times now and I just got bored
We don't even know when champions releases or when will it have the home compatibility
I hope it straight up releases the Pokémon Day but idk if that month is gonna last to get that
pokemon home premium is so worth it ngl
you get so much storage and it barely costs anything
Scream tail needed one niche
i want encore though
Then play scream tail or CSR
Flutter already gets so much let’s NOT give it more
csr is yucky
Could play whimsi
flutter should get a mega that does 30% to all the opponents pokemon upon transformation

flipside its hp and def get lower
How was mega venu historically
I'm trying to gage if venusaur will be viable in champions
It’s fat that’s for sure but it just doesn’t do enough damage
It was viable
Not one of the best but viable
Leech seed bot xd
It ran like protect sludge bomb giga drain leech seed
What about gmax venu
Well that guy had one of the 4 most broken moves ever made with Chlorophyll so yeah I think it’d be viable
real
hell yeah good shit gang
how would u even know 
I watched Wolfey's video!!!
But nah when I looked at megas results Mega Venusaur had a decent chunk of results
Nah it got top 16 I think
That ursaluna was on the 19th placed team sorry
GCs are not real man LOL
I got 19th in the February Grand Challenge with Fling Master Ball Ursaluna and min Sp. Def Tatsugiri! My record was 26-6; I stopped at 1765 hoping it's good enough for top 8 NA.
Team largely taken from @hiyoooon4's report: https://t.co/mRw0Yb3HkW
Paste: https://t.co/CTxX5c8y3K
I hope this is the last SV GC
But this was tr flutter
I think everyone is so done with GCs we are just trying to see with what items have the most common mons not won
Glad I didn’t participate lmao

i wouldve assumed base venu + mega zard y
from what i heard venu worked in and out of mega
Yea
Smth like that. You’d go zard mode most of the time then rip mega venu if zard was bad for the mu
eh two mega stones seems bad
I want to make a hyper offense team for vgc 2019
Two mega teams exist
Wait vgc 2019? Is that a restricted format?
Yeah
big six had mega salamence and mega kang
it wasn’t that popular from what i’ve seen in worlds and internats from the time but there are some teams with two megas
but i imagine it works even better when you can still bring your second mega and just keep it in base
rather than them having their own modes
id just prefer having my mon w/ an item i can use 100% of games
Which makes sense
I probably won’t do double mega teams either, but I get why they exist
yea and like ive never done a mega format maybe ill change my tune
just as of now, 2 mega stones seems eh for me
Yeah, hopefully the next format is uh, champions
Well we should get the next format announcement early next month, so
Also never went shiny hunting in ZA, maybe I will? Idk
i still need to get the shiny charm
at least the dlc lets me skip the 1000 battles thing
it looks like a fun game to shiny hunt in
I would like to make a comp team around darkrai for scarlet/violet. Anyone got any ideas or advice
Singles or Doubles (also you kinda missed the format where you can play Mythicals)
Regulation J where you can play with Mythical Pokemons
Now we are back in Regulation I
Oh and Darkrai has two ways to build
Either be a honest Special Attacker or a Hater with Gravity Dark Void stuff
Yeah you missed the chance
Yeah i was thinking gravity dark void too i seen it work quite well
Damn, do we know when it comes back?
We don’t know
Plus I doubt SV would get updates after Champions comes out
In terms of VGC at least
We probably find out in Pokémon Presents,if they did not show anything about it then I swear to god-
I hope they will, they honestly should
Yeah, Pokémon Champions should have info on Pokémon Day, hence why they are clearly trying to announce stuff, etc before the day to free up room for the announcements xP (e.g. FRLG on NS1+2)
i know it's not hard for most but im at 1200 on bo3 reg f ladder
Wait until you hit the 1500+ mark 😅
Im 1502 bo3
Yeah, I just know you start going against the players who aim for VGC regionals in that margin
Mind you, speaking of regionals; Seattle is next, and will be a three day event outside of IC and Worlds 😅
I’m hoping to get to 1500 at some point during this week
A good goal to look at 🙂
I feel like sylveon is really hard to play around with in the current meta, or at least from what I've seen people use against me and my team. It's too slow and deals too little damage without any real tactic to play around. It's also too fast for trickroom. Is it just a hopeless cause or is there a way to make it work?
Yeah, many Pokemon that thrived during RegH got easily put back on the bench once RegF happened
Heck, even mons like Sylveon, BloodLuna, Archuladon, etc have struggled due to Ogerpon, Urshifu and Flutter
Not saying the mons cannot manage in the current meta; but not as easy
players try not to glaze and overuse and overhype the gen 1 starters challenge level impossible: 😭
I do know that the "current meta" will change to a better balance once Champions drops
i hope you mean “balance” very loosely
So, my team consists of Pixilate Sylveon, Pranskter Tailwind Whimsicott, Zamazenta, Muraidon, Water Ogerpon and Incineroar... Do you see some issues in there?
Well certain threats will be a little more diminished because of the Megas (especially since Gen8 added in active speed control)
yeah but some of these megas were definitely made better than others
Like maybe its also because I am pretty new to competitive but I think I need a slow bulky alternative for my speed build glasscanon sylv
You ain't wrong, though we are still waiting on the new Megas
Sylveon might run slightly better in a Trick Room aspect, since it isn't known for speed
no we arent the dlc is out already 😭
I mean "Ability" wise
only thing we’re waiting on is abilities yeah
If Mega Meganium gets Triage (+1 priority on healing moves) or something that reduces it's weakness damage (e.g. Filter), then I could see that doing well; but with a 4x Poison weakness atm, hard to say yet
I feel like since most teams out there are trick room focused I would thrive in there if I could adapt to that
I have run a Trick Room team with Double Restricted before, quite viable
For example my incin is fully speed based, just to outspeed other incins and in return pretty easy to kill
Ooo I am interested
Think I ran Calyrex IR and Lunala (or Necrozma Dawn Wings)
I hate Calyrex 😭
That guy looks so stupid oml he is my biggest nemesis
I swore to destroy his kin
I know I just ran them, plus Farigiraf, Ursaluna, Incineroar and Indeedee-F
If you don't want to run Calyrex, you could also run Terapagos too
Thats the team I encounter almost every Pokemon Showdown Game.. damn
I don't wanna become a sith myself 
But I guess I'll have to do something or I will never beat that creature
Well Lunala runs Wide Guard, so you can stop moves like Water Spout, Hyper Voice, Astral Barrage, etc
Hmmm.. from the wolfey video I watched I saw him using Lunala Kuraidon, you think I could run Lunala Miradon instead of Zamazenta and get similar results?
The thing is Sylveon doesn't consistently deal enough damage with throat spray since it has to attack twice for that. Maybe choice specs, since my Miraidon runs life orb?
Then I could probably also switch out protect and calm mind for something like psychic and.. what about hyper beam? If I use Pixilate and lack damage I could run hyper beam for a quick OHKO, no?
- Sylveon is weird but fuck it I guess
- Yeah you can definitely use Miraidon Lunala, that shit is busted
You basically run like Lorb or Specs on the Miraidon, and you actually run the Electric Seed on Lunala
I'm just using the sparkly puppy because I once saw a video of Pixilate Hyperbeam and from that point on I was hyperfixated to create a team that puts Sylveon as a SpA Nuke
Run Specs on Mirai, I promise that the ability to not die even quicker than you would as a glass cannon will matter.
It's the most successful set for a reason and it isn't really close.
I can only run each item once right?
Yes

Maybe I could involve wheezing to counter some of the 'mons abilities that make my life harder?
For example the giraffe that doesn't let me use prio moves or to stop intimidate from happening
ladder is dead huh?
Which one?
Hm, why do I suspect that once Z-A gets Home connectivity, we'll know the abilities of the new Megas xP
Though we need Home connectivity, not enough room in the in-game boxes xD
I hope that if champions doesn't releases the friday we atleast get the megas abilities
So atleast we can test them in things like showdown atleast for fun
I think rhey will do april-may reg i rerun
I'm still suspecting we'll get Champions either out on the day as a drop; or early March
Or it'll end up being mid-July release if it is for the Worlds (since that'll be in August xP)
That would be lit
Imagine how too strong Mega Heatran would be if it got Earth Eater xD
Real
Doubt it will be, but would surprise me
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s 1, a new ability or 2, just flash fire again
Very unlikely it'll be Flash Fire; since base form has it
Yeah, hopefully they don't for Mega Heatran 😅
Are there any that keep the ability that are good
Mega Tyranitar?
Ttar, uhhhh
Mega Ttar may get the same ability; however, the Sp Def increase benefits it 😅
From the Sandstorm that is
Blaziken keeps speed boost
Scizor was good
Yep, but that is acceptable for Blaziken
Abomasnow keeps snow warning
Both lati’s keep levitate
@foggy lodge Snow now boosts def by 50%
And the spa is alright ig
On Ice types at least
True
I think, uhhh
Its a good buff
Medicham keeps its ability?
Maybe it sees play idk
It does ok
Cuz mawile exists
It got second at an internats
That’s it tho
The others get new abilities, a lot of them are the normal into new type move abilities
(Pixelate, refrigerate, aerilate)
tbf, we look at some of the Megas from before end of Gen6; and we forget many of them have been either buffed as a base form, or in their Mega forms 😅
Okay I'm gonna try to search for shiny Heatran in sw/sh
I want a shiny Mega Heatran in champions
one of the easier ones to hunt atleast, the 4x weakness ones are nice
Yeah its easy
unless its zygarde
Except Zygarde but I got that by accident lmao
Well, easy if you get a ground type xP
ofc
point is its easier to get a path that has 1 mon w/ a se move vs like the calculus equation u gta solve for zygarde and kyogre etc
lot harder to get paths for certain legends, ones that are efficient u can reset ore on consistently
When champions realese I’m gonna use mega dragonite no matter the ability
I can’t wait for champions
Why do I suspect that Mega Lucario Z will get Mega Launcher 😅
multiscale + w/e seems fine i just dont think itll b super meta
It’s a cute mega tho
may run better since it has a higher special attack; which means can run Hurricane more effortlessly
i love dnite
Everyone loves dnite
Dnite the goat
thats the idea
I hope farigiraf is in champions at realese
In before Mega Dragonite gets Aerialate or Dragilate 🤣
aerilate would b very cool
e speed turning into a flying prio move kinda scary tho if u opt for physical
True
i think at the very least base dnite will b solid on some comps
i think a lot of the new megas r tough to gauge if we dont know what mons will b allowed, abilities etc
but off rip they dont seem good (majority)
VEX, NO SCHIZO MOVES
its not for vgc
its for overworld play on a completely separate korai
so temper flare is fire type stomping tantrum?
i originally wanted to see if it learned false swipe for shiny hunting
lmao koraidon learns snarl
Oh.
i have 2 koraidons my story one and the shiny event one
(oh and the ride koraidon i guess cuz i play mostly on scarlet)
I mean at least it’s better than gamefreak giving Koraidon Flamethrower in the final battle
if i was better at the game id probably be a BO1 DEMON
i love stupid and niche strats its peak entertainment
Wait really? Lmao
Nova Vs Vex would be cool af
Literally me and Lyco Complained about it
Miraidon got Power Gem and no dragon move besides Tera Blast
Wack
"If I was better at the game I'd be a successful player"

And if Wolfey had wheels, he'd be a racing car.
you mean if i was better id be the same
he isnt already?
And Kieran’s Terapagos doesnt not have Tera Starstorm
kieran dogshit champion with a cracked asf team
He tried
uh nah nova would beat me im
not nova level
You're not going to be a successful player until you beat me in Reg I.
🤨
So I'd suggest studying my team for a while.
I mean she is the person that made me play Gallede on a rain team
i mean doesnt gallade learn a physical water move that only like 3 mons learn
No it’s just as a wide Guard TR support
but it learns wtf is it called Aqua cutter?
It could run aqua cutter
But you often go psycho slash, sacred sword, then a couple choices between wide guard, tr, or protect
I think it’s Peli Archaludon BM Ursa Electabuzz Gallade Greninja
Just cuz you can doesn’t mean you should
but it doesnt mean you shouldnt either
that’s not the point I was trying to get across
😛
chat how do we feel about wild charge koraidon
And since Gallade is the one having Wide Guard I can play Protect
It’s a thing in Randbats Singles lmfao
If I remember correctly
No
No
yes
Please tell Vex that using CSR-Zama is his only chance at actually beating me.
You obliterate kyogre regardless
VEX
You don’t need coverage
Most restricteds just run their stabs and set up or utility
Vex, shut up.
why else would you run wild charge on a koraidon???
to confuse people cuz why would you run it, right?
I guess you succeeded
see theres method to my madnesss
There's layers to ts
I just felt my heart trying to strangle itself due to the cringe.
am i wrong though? would it not successfully confuse people?
No, it would just make you seem like the idiot you are
oh noooo i found a fork in the kitchen 
This smells like bitch in here
hm
Me when I run that dragon tail Miraidon with stealth rocks Ting Lu
sounds fun (no tf it doesnt)
WHY EVEN BOTHER GIVING MIRAI MIRROR COAT
why does korai learn meteor beam and mirai doesnt
Lots of mons get counter and mirror coat

Meteors are prehistoric and they don’t exist in the future
Also Miraidon with Meteor beam would probably still be worse than specs
yea neither benefit from it anyway for it to matter
It getting u turn is way too good
i need meteor beam 🙁
Not a fan of Miraidon having u turn
power gem is not gonna cut it
heres a thought, ur miraidon doesnt need rock coverage
So real

it does for this specific purpose
Bro HATES Volcarona
then hav fun w/ power gem 
no its to fight pauls tera fire CIR
Pretty sure electro drift does more anyway
rock lets me hit it both before AND after tera
130 BP + stab
yea e drift is nuts
195 vs 160
And meteor beam is a one time use anyway
Pretty much a gem boosted move
surely theres other ways of dealin w/ things then hit w/ big se move
Just run specs with helping hand
Guarantee kills every CIR I believe
I think if Miraidon didn’t have u turn it wouldn’t be Ubers
it would for sure nuke the horse
i calced agianst his horse it drops
one use is all i need
ive accounted for that
It’s why Lunala teams need a backup Incin answer
u accounted for that but not that it doesnt get meteor beam which btw it doesnt so wat r we even talkin about haha
that im fucking cooked
Mbeam is awesome and does so much damage but a switch out, a protect, redirection or even a miss now means you would be in an extremely losing position
I remember running Lunala Groudon and man that Ho oh MU fried me
One mbeam misplay and the game was over
id love to use hooh if the horse wasn’t specifically tera fire
Wait so you have his OTS?
e drift is better anyway u just have to either position more effectively or rethink team choice. its either u or the team (or both)
yeah
You have such a huge advantage I’m sure you’ll find something
hes very confident i wont win so he just gave me the ots
When we played he didn’t offer ots 😔
Bo3?
yeah
i also gotta find a way to reveal as little as possible in game one 🫠
im not skilled enough for that, chat
Eh, no one is “not skilled enough for this chat”
Kinda the whole point of this chat existing
Nah you good, understandable mistake
Punctuation and online communication don’t necessary go hand in hand
anyways i hope i can find a strat to hide as much as possible in game 1
Double final gambit lead, never fails
final gambit into perish trap
CSR partnered with Tera normal explosion Eleki
Protosynthesis and quark drive killed Eleki
is it a hot take to say i like protosynthesis and quark drive more that orichalcum pulse and hadron engine
photosynthesis and quark drive let me choose what stat i eant boosted
I mean they’re very similar
orichalcum pulse and HadronEngine dont give me that versatility
meanwhile even in a restricted meta bolt as a disgusting pokemon 😭
Calm mind bolt is so gross that it was used even in restricted formats
Yeah cause he’s the goat
Btw
oh and flutter mane is flutter mane… and iron hands…. and iron valiant if you know what youre doing…..
My Ting-Lu jus survived an icicle crash + earth power double up from Pao and Landorus to KO both with EQ
🤠

Thank god I’m playing Reg I
My goat Groudon would never let such misery happen in his games
Nah we would’ve mad died to the icicle crash and ep
Meh it happens
I know what I signed up for so there isn’t really any point in getting tilted over it

I guess Ting-Lu is just the cooler ground type
bro in the gc i double missed play rough and hurricane and instantly lost the game
But Groudon actually does damage so
its attack isnt even bad
The Ting-Lu of this team is 67 speed
😔
Special defense is meh but
Vessel of ruin lmao
with 155 hp 80 spd is workable
Vessel of ruin gives bro like effective 130 spdef
doesnt tinglu drop physical attack
No
Kinda
It gets more complicated with evs and nature
It’s like how pure power is better than a 2x to the atk base stat
huge power mega mawile 🗣️ 🔥
Yea
But yeah his effective spdef is still huge
It’s why he’s the ultimate Miraidon CSR counter
if only he had a special attack stat to use his own ability offensively
Huh?
55 SpA is awful
Bro does NOT have beads of ruin
But why would you want to attack with spa with ting-lu
if.
he.
had.
a.
special.
attack.
stat.
he.
could.
use.
the.
spD drop.
from.
his.
ability.
offensively.
by.
hitting.
specially.
Twin
twin
vroski
He drops Special Attack
Vessel of ruin doesn't drop spd
of everyone but himself
omg lmao. i apologize gang you right why the fuck am i thinking of the fish
Special attack ≠ special defence
the fish haunts me
I mean it has used snarl
christopher yusef haunts me
To drop spa even more
Av Ting next to Ho oh 😔
gross
Hell nah
I’d run it
Ultimate Zama CSR killer
If I wasn’t Groudon pilled
the only gen 9 restricteds i’ve enjoyed using so far are the bikes and the doggo
and white kyruem but the team is all reliant on each other and it takes too much effort
Dogs are Gen 8?
yeah
No I’m not asking if that’s true I’m asking if you were calling them Gen 9
no
the only resitricteds in gen 9 my fault i said it backwards
were the bikes and the doggos
zacian kyogre was really fun
except play rough misses ofc
I don’t get why play rough is so terrible but moon blast is so incredible
Is a literal upgrade on everything
special attacking propaganda
Whole special category needs to be nerfed
I’m fine with the physical moves being high risk high reward
Like flare blitz or headlong rush
But special moves shouldn’t be medium reward no risk
For every Overheat = Flare blitz there needs to be an equivalent to Flamethrower
I think it’s so lame lmao
Like why can’t play rough literally just be the physical moonblast
Or why did Zacian need a steel signature move
Iron head is toxic and would’ve been funny
Body press is pretty much Zamas signature move so it would’ve worked
Also give us special body press
-Create a fighting type legendary
-give it an ability that boosts physical defense on switch in
-make its whole design around being defensive and heavy
-create a fighting type move that uses defense as the damage stat in the same gen as your legendary
-don't give said legendary the new move
Was body press really made in Gen 8?
Yep
Jeez
Feels like it’d be older
I’m just so excited for things to not be able to Tera anymore
Screw you Tera grass Zama and Kyogre
affirmative
i’ll miss you tera fairy lightning rod raichu
bolt/mirai who?
never heard of ‘em
Ferrothorn will handle them
That's until Miraidon decides to click dazzling gleam
stallmon.tm can stay away
They killed so many of my goats and left Smeargle in
Imagine AV Koraidon with Cherrim
Might live a fairy move
A non specs non booster Flutter Dgleam

Reg I hasn’t really had any developments so whatever was a HO at worlds I guess
I would look myself but idr know how to identify an ho team
Tailwind
tbf not every tw team is going to be HO
There’s never a specific “rule” to HO teams
They explode things fast
Reg I didn’t really have that cause TR isn’t really HO
70% of Reg I teams had a TR option
🤔 fair
basically this yea, its a team thats geared toward depleting ur opponents hp % as quickly as possible
obviously can become more nuanced but thats the main objective
So TR teams can be HO but they aren’t true HO
is that sword fish team HO?
I’d say so
im just asking because im incredibly rusty and want something not as sophisicated as balance
Meh Reg I is Reg I
not that ho can't be
which swordfish team
https://pokepast.es/bcde8cc56ef87de0 this six
People on the Reg I ladder aren’t trying their absolute hardest they kinda just wanna have fun
Until you hit like top 150 or so
it fits a ho mold
So you don’t need the greatest team of all time
u hav 1 defensive piece in shroom but otherwise ur team is catered towards offense overall
thats the markings of what makes a team fit into an archetype, what is it trying to do and what do these pieces do to achieve that
And even Shroom is fine on HO cause you just bring him in when something dies then have free damage from your other mon
no dynamic speed ho wasnt really the same
Yeah dynamic speed made HO way more viable
I forgot there wasn't dynamic speed tbh
But yeah super HO teams don’t really exist in Reg I either
I guess Koraidon CSR actually
it existed it was just different
Urshifu without dynamic speed would be a scarf merchant
I don't need tournament winning I just need something good enough to help me win to masterball and maybe higher then that
maybe or just sash
still would be very strong
that team seems fine for that
Absolutely, there’s no way to make that Mon not amazing
But he is a big dynamic speed enjoyer
most things are
then the issue is my playing
Since it’s Bo1 CTS I’d also suggest making the Zacian Tera ground Tera blast
id say maybe try another team out, maybe ur just not vibing w/ that kinda playstyle
it is ho but non prankster tw certainly can make it different
I am on cart
feel free to reccomend a six ill look into it 🙂
conner just talks in sd terminology
check out worlds day 2 teams in topcutexplorer
see if anything jumps out to u, ud know more wat ur familiar w/
ik haha its assumed
ice rider?
Yeah
what does ice rider do there
u serious?
ice covers grass weakness, rain covers fire weakness, and u can speed sandwich ur opponent between the 2 (lesser extent of boltbeam)
wen ur running groudon and miraidon, ofc cir is target #1 haha
bro just dunks on u otherwise
Hate that guy
https://pokepast.es/37098f8d6a12c94e this six looks interesting with some changes
CIR Kyogre Lando is my worst MU
does ice rider go off calyrex evs and ivs or glastrier?
calyrex
thats a shame
y
alright i just won't be building this in cart no worries
?
u can run 31 speed iv cir dude its ok
just know u wont outspeed certain things in tr generally
ohhh i have 2 calyrexs for that reason
damn
I don’t even own a Calyrex because I’m not a bad person
no u just dont own swsh
I haven't played in the ladder in a while so I looked up what regulation it currently is and Google told me reg F so I cooked up a reg F team, took time and made the whole thing, then queued a game only to go against a calyrex shadow and a kyogre...
sorry dude, reg i is the format for cart
I actually own shield and played through it like 3 times
which is double restricted
I had no clue till it was too late
irl tours are reg f
I have no chance w that team ughh
its confusing
yea...
i brought this up recently as why they shouldnt do split format
Really hard to gauge how “easy” a team is to pilot
I can’t play restricted teams that don’t include Groudon but that doesn’t mean they’re bad teams
Said no one ever 😔
i mean like i said irl tours are reg f, for cart, not likely. weve had split formats the last 2 id imagine if we do get another sv format itll b no different
most of us are hoping for champions as the next released format
there's literally no release date tho
Don’t need to tell Tree that…
Actually do you want to see something
depends, wat is it
This is something they send to people after regionals I think
Play Pokemon you are a very funny organization
?
I wanted to do something but discord didn't make it work nvm
oh lmao
But yeah I think the question is like
Idk is super bad is like "we don't really know what to do so please just say you are fine with not having a ladder"
do u think its beneficial to not be able to practice in game consistently for upcoming tournaments?

On my life
I only own a lot of Groudons
conner doesnt own swsh
I think there has always been a secret relationship between VGC and showdown
I think I did when it came out but I might've deleted my save file cause I wanted to replay it and then never did crown tundra a second time
in the sense sd has made sure to not step on their toes in any way and tpc ignores them completely, then sure
ahh ok
y not just do an alt profile tho
But yeah I hope with champions we never get a situation like this again
or move it into home first
same

The funniest part is that eveything in the circuit feels broken and tournaments are still breaking records lmao
Fr
do we know how many people registered in the gc this past weekend
We like Pokémon not TPCi lol
p sure gc #s been decreasing
Yeah I think it was 2000 something?
i placed somewhere in the 3k range so thats not possible
probably didnt help i just quit day 1 lmao
i hate Reg Bolt, sorry i mean Reg Bolt, sorry i mean reg F, i mean Bolt, literally the same fucking thing
i was way way at the bottom for sure
nah im sure there was more then 3k ppl im just kidding
its multiple regions competing prolly like 6-8k id say
at this point in svs life
It still shows the decay of players
Considering GCs were at some point hitting like 40k
I did a whole play through in Japanese once
Shows how easy mons is
it doesnt help it was the least expressive regulation of all of them bro
its the same 10 pokemon everywhere
wheres the mf who won a regional with a ribombee when you need them
He is playing Ursaluna Farigiraf now
how far bro has fallen 🥀
you were an inspiration and you became the root of the evil 😔
Its just reg F that doesn't allow those type of mons to exist
And reg H was a super low power format
exactly my problem
its boring and repetitive
i need my hero back bring back regional winning ribombee
I need my goat Maya back on the ladder 😔
and then theres reg i where if you arent using a bike a dog or a god of land or sea your basically bricking your entire game
this shit sucks
mirai korai zama zacian kyogre groudon whos the other 2
oh and the horses, so yeah 8
the fucking horses…
That's just how restricted formats work gang
If you don't use a restricted then you aren't playing to the format...
id use glastrier in reg F if i wasnt already sick of the repititon of the same pokemon on every single team
wheres the variety wheres the spice
can we go back to reg B
I just wanna go back to real Reg I
I remember that a Drednaw top 4'd a regional once
Goat
But it was reg A
see what i mean
no
I don't think more viable mons = more fun in a format
bingo
Taking these one off examples also doesn't prove that Reg A was more fun
When I look at a team I look at how it was made not entirely the mons that made it
Team building is so incredibly hard
its a fine line b/w a format being too centralizing and not centralizing enough. good formats somehow strike a balance
I'm a fan of intricate teams but that doesn't mean that simple teams are bad in any way
i just hate seeing the same mons every where i look
2017 world champ team
From an outsiders perspective this is my favourite worlds team
which one is that
i cant wait for champions i want mawile
The paste I sent
2017 worlds
2024 worlds team
You see these mons everywhere
Simplistic in its design but there's nothing wrong with it
I've gotten bored of saying "I hate seeing Bolt everywhere" or "It's the same 10 mons re-arranged"
Instead I'm now trying to separate the mons from the team
ur comparing a regional dex format to restricted
Point still stands
also whims is on both teams 
I find both teams very interesting
Whims is just too goated
Also fairly similar teams
E terrain with Whims
Might be all the similarities
Hearthflame is just A-Marowak
lmao
whats krookodile
Krookodile I'm sorry 😔
damn
Oh nah
im literally hunting shiny alpha raichu rn lol
Who is this hitting anyway
90 spatk 😔
lightning rod:
its a support mon
True
- b4 power creep
i use it like sub-dps support with like tbolt and alluring voice with tera fairy (mostly to flip off mirai)
and nuzzle and fake out obviously
Is as tree says good formats need to strike a balance where you can experiment with stuff and have niche picks be viable but a format where really too much is viable is 1. Impossible and 2. Too hard to prepare
Also too much variety weakens meta calls which means is harder to bring new stuff
The most interesting team I saw from reg I was a Miraidon Pagos team
E seed Pagos?
i wanna use umbreon but the problem is forcing it to work in 2026
Sinistcha and Valiant were very niche picks
valiant is goated i love iron valiant
I think people eventually subbed Valiant out for Urshifu
Yeah cuz the team needed a bit more damage
Also the team lost 6-0 to Volc
But Valiant was cool cuz it also could kinda solve or help into the Zama-Mirai MU
Was Zama Mirai even that common?
It was actually viable in reg G!!!
Kinda
It existed but it wasn't like something you'd see as common as Mirai CIR
I wish I full sent the Groudon Miraidon stuff a little more
thats the problem reg g has vanished from existence and memory 😔
Imagine specs tera electric discharge
"It's never too late" I hear as I look at the builder
“tactical nuke inbound!” -the Miraidon
You have to create 10 alts of Miraidon Groudon and get all of them in top 30
Too hard 😔
So then people start preparing against Miraidon Groudon
Top 50 take it or leave it
No cause then I just have a harder time
That's a u turn bundle
"sorry Bundle I have to sacrifice you to heal Miraidon"
So true

Looking at this team more I actually am kinda digging how it looks
I have been summoned
Eseed volc for CIR
Yes
It will never be as good as zama mirai, but it can work
Mirai works as an incin nuke for zacian
Zacian helps with other Mirai and CIR for your Mirai
Tr sucks for you tho
And I like playing scarf Mirai with Fari to help kinda mitigate that
Sub Zacian is better into it
my reg I dreams might be saved 
Zacian Miraidon Farigiraf Ursaluna
If you manage to get into a spot where you don’t instantly lose your boost
True
Which one?
Physical or special Ursa?
Regular
Hmmmmmm, I may yoink this idea
why it gotta be the damn bear 😔
I think reg I allowed for some of the most interesting sets on restricteds
Ursa’s good?
Bro wants 6 niche mons
its good but i dont like it
Scarf Miraidon, eseed pagos, electric seed Lunala, lefties CIR
i like UBM just not base
You don’t like anything dude
The innovations on restricteds were cool
Zacian’s played ground blast
Yeah but that was since reg G
tera ground also lets mirai click discharge or parabolic charge
Bro just play Groudon at that point 😭
I like snarl on scarf Mirai
W calls
Helps with CSR
Parabolic charge is more for AV
Or calm mind
The problem with Zac Mirai is that you kinda need scarf cuz otherwise Zama CSR farms you
I don’t really mind that tho?
Nah set up is fake on Miraidon
Like I think scarf Mirai is really fun anyway
I wish Miraidon wasn't locked on 2 teras ngl lol
Specs Mirai with Zac just objectively doesn’t work
Real, you either get electric or fairy
Its always either electric or fairy
Tera dragon draco !!!
but my doggo. zacians a good dog. although in gen 8 she was basically prime King Von
Hell nah
Zacian’s my favorite
WHAT???
i LOVE zacian
Never would have guessed
Used Zac all of restricted
Oh what is your favorite groudon?
Not my profile picture
Guys guess my favourite mon
🤪
Scream tail
You will never guess mine
Frick wrong emoji
true!!!
😝
Wait really? lol
I think I knew that
All I'm saying is that if you were to look at a random message of mine there's like a 20% chance you'd know I was a Groudon fan
There's a lot i don't really know which one
Snorunt, Gligar, Gliscor, Gible
I think if anything having a strong affinity for a specific mon is a good thing
Pikachu is actually one of my favourites though it sounds super basic
But having Pikachu as your favourite also goes like full circle cuz its so popular that no one wants to have it as their favourite
I want this one
would it be worth anything whatsoever to not use crown zacian so i can have iron head instead of bblade
I have nothing of Galar what could be more british than Geezing
Fr
